Chemical resistance test of graphene coatings: ruclips.net/video/wZYZc9uDyek/видео.html Watch of few of my graphene coatings reviews and application tutorials: Turtle Wax Graphene Flex Wax: ruclips.net/video/b5BjDzItlr8/видео.html GlassParency Graphene coating: ruclips.net/video/HHjxaRz8iiA/видео.html 303 Graphene Spray Coating: ruclips.net/video/hHefz3XMK1g/видео.html Watch some other interesting graphene technology discussions in these videos: Pan TheOrganizer: ruclips.net/video/kw4Ai1973sk/видео.html Pan TheOrganizer: ruclips.net/video/tcZUqmqxU90/видео.html Chicago Auto Pros: ruclips.net/video/sbfr35YkDzk/видео.html Larry from AMMO NYC: ruclips.net/video/mn0Dv2-7XHo/видео.html The Rag Company ft. Yvan Lacroix: ruclips.net/video/lkEst4Z0a3g/видео.html
Great information Pan. 3D Products does this for many companies as well. I'd love to see a video with Tuinch founder of 3D Products. He's an amazing guy and leading the industry especially in abrasive technology. Such a difference in what they've doing compared to the rest of the industry
It is refreshing to actually hear and see from a technical officer talk you through the process and the amount of testing they are taking to confidently put out a product that can stand by it's claim. B&B Blending has stepped to the top of the list for a RESPECTABLE and HONORABLE Blending company. Thank you.
Pan, I would love to see this “technical deep dive” as a continuing segment moving forward. Other companies, chemists and products. Companies famous for waxes, or cleaners/degreasers, fabrics etc.
Exactly the kind of content that I am looking for. I don't like to hear marketing people talk up their product, but instead interviews with chemists and others with technical knowledge with no incentive to bend the facts. Hope you'll keep this coming.
I would love to hear more from the CTO. All over forums you'll see people complain that all boutique brands are just putting out the same products. Glad Chris could share some light that just because it's blended at B&B, doesn't at all mean it's just the same formula. People don't care where their fruits and veggies come from at the store, yet they get their panties in a bunch over car care products?
Exactly. I share the same opinion. I personally couldn't care any less if a product is made here, there or on the moon. Does it meet my expectations? Does it perform well? Do I like using it? Those are the questions I always want answered.
Thank you, Pan, for making the interview with Chris possible. I found your questions to the point and his answers informative and transparent. The industry needs more of these discussions. Thank you, again....
Thanks for the feedback Edwin. It's cool that I have access to things like this now with my channel becoming so important, so it's cool for me to be able to share these moments with my audience as it's because you guys are there and made all of this possible! :)
Extremely informative and educational interview! His explanation for Graphene having less water spotting in relation to heat reduction etc. was exceptional. All of his answers hit the mark. Chris really knows his stuff.
Excellent interview Pan! The example of brick (graphene oxide) and mortar (ceramic base) was great. Another good analogy for that is tile (graphene) and grout (ceramic base). The tile needs very little maintenance it's the grout that fills the space between tiles that needs the maintenance. I'd like to see this type of interview regarding other car care products. I'm hoping that Turtle Wax comes out with a graphene ceramic blended product similar to the 303 nanotechnology graphene product. I'm actually surprised that hasn't come yet.
Thanks James! I know for a fact that Turtle Wax is working on something pretty awesome as I was able to chat with their chemist and get the secret out of their mouths! Here: ruclips.net/video/maOL4KEsK0c/видео.html Stay tuned to my channel, this is VERY promising!
Thank you Pan! You've done the detailing world a tremendous service with these educational interviews. It clears up a lot of misconceptions that exist and would linger without end. Well done!
Instead of people complaining that something is fake or just a relabeled product maybe they should just try it for themselves and see what the product can do. People are very quick to judge before they have all of the facts. Thank you for doing these interviews it is very informative and gives use the knowledge when buying and applying the new products.
I agree Paul. And this is one reason I like to have open discussions with experts in the industry, so we can get more information and be able to make smarter purchase decisions as customers. I always tell people to try the product, and if it's not for you, then you're in luck, as there are thousands and thousands of other products to choose from. It's sad to see that some people discard new technologies right off the bat, without even having tried them, just because they "think they know" how it all works. I draw my own conclusions based on my own experience with products, also based on my personal observations.
pan hit it on the head....its how they are asking the question.....graphene in its 2 dimentional state(pure) cannot be put on a vehicle.....they are asking if it has graphene in it - NOT if graphene oxide is in it......so the naysayers are correct that graphene in its purest state cannot be applied....probably never will be due to cost to get it to that state.....currently it is found in supercomputers in pure form since it can conduct electricity(supercompute) at almost half the speed of light
Here is why complaining is a must. Trying for yourself is exactly how one is duped into thinking the product truly works as described while promoting it. This is false advertising, which is an unlawful offence in most countries and we should not be promoting charlatan claims. People make money from false advertising of graphene product, charging more for the same protection one would get spending less that doesn't say graphene on it. No consumer should be okay with this, perhaps you don't mind being ripped off? These products work because they have ceramic. Here is why one can deduce its a sham without even having to try the product. The claim is enhanced properties with Graphene. First, there are many scientific papers which show that a very high percent of the PRODUCED Graphene is counterfeit or degraded to the point of not being 'graphene' effective and is a real concern among the scientific bodies. Its severely unlikely automotive detailing producers aren't even using valid single or ISO approved stacked graphene to begin with. Detailers are not getting the rare amount of good stuff (valid) in the world. Second, Other uses such as plating, batteries, electrical and other industrial application use of graphene have very costly and complicated processes, such as CVD to apply and validate. Third, there is no scientific means of arranging this allotrope carbon lattice onto a vehicle surface without breaking the single or ISO 10 layer arrangement. Forth. Somehow the automotive industry magically got around all the challenges and you can drip it out of a bottle and just wipe it on. I also do not agree this is okay and throw the Marketing excuse out there. Post Grape cereal printed prevent and cures appendicitis and malaria on their boxes, because marketing steered towards what customers wanted to hear. Kinda amusing nothing changes.
@@ctsvmapper if u are talking about graphene in its pure form of 1 atom 2 dimensional state.....u are correct. auto detailing will never use graphene in its purest form like other industries(electrical/semiconductor) due to the extreme cost of processing pure graphene. as stated in this and most vids about the detailing products promoting graphene.....the material used is graphene oxide.....which is clear in color. your problem is with the marketing of these products.....not the fact that they do perform better in many ways than ceramic. mr gallaher addresses the marketing need for using the catchword "graphene".......he even addresses the need for graphite in the bottles....so that the consumer will relate to the benefits of graphene/oxide....the molecular structure is the same. imho this video explained the technology and gave us a clear/transparent understanding what is being used and how it is being formulated so that we may make an educated decision if we want to use it
Another edifying video - thanks for helping translate the complex into common language. I am a better informed/educated consumer now. For what it's worth - in my business I found that not addressing 'myths/falsehoods' eventually leads to the myth being perceived as the truth. Getting the facts out early and understandably always pays dividends in my experience.
Thanks Guy! And I agree with you. We have to have these discussions to get informed, and not just discard new technologies because people don't always understand them. The more information you get, the better understanding one has on new technology and that leads them to make more informed purchase decisions.
Sad part: certain percent of people will still complain and not try even if there's 2 chemist interviews on RUclips done by you Pan. I did my first ceramic coating this month so I understand about flashing times, etc. Next year I'll definitely try graphene! Thanks for all the content in your channel! Very helpful as a first time into detailing world.
Thanks Jen! And yes you are right. Unfortunately, some will still believe it’s snake oil until they actually try it. My prediction: in two years from now, graphene coatings will be widely accepted and used.
hey jason is that u who sent reply???? hope u and all the cap team are safe and well...imho i think IGL label simply states what it is....IGL F4 - graphene infused!!!! jim and i have talked at length about this technology.....graphene in its pure state of one atom/2dimensional form is wayyyyyy to costly to manufacture for the industry - it will never come to market in its pure form for auto care. i find it interesting - even funny that graphite had to be included in the bottles marketed so that the consumer would accept the idea.....when u met with jim he stated that graphine oxide is CLEAR!!! be well ...say hi to amy greg jim etc.....right now i have the f4 on top of z1.....gloss/hydrophobicity/depth - clarity is all excellent - fyi
Thanks Jason! I appreciate it. I linked your video too in the description as I think it’s important we get as much information as possible from different sources. This is a promising technology and although it’s in its early stages, so far so good for the ones I have been testing. Mark my words, two years from now, everyone will be using graphene coatings (or graphene oxide who cares) just like we’re using ceramic coatings now. 😀
Wow, great interview! That really addressed all the issues and provided practical answers to not only the technical matters but the rumor mills as well. If anyone is thinking about Graphene coating, this will clarify the issues. Great job Pan and many thanks to Chris Gallahar for stepping out from behind the scenes and providing clarification before the rumors got out of control. Ray Piccin
PTO, thank you for your continued detailed interviews on current detailing information. You and the folks that you have interviewed often reference the marine industry. While there are countless fiberglass hull recommendations I have a more specific interest and question. I recently purchased a new tritoon produced by SeaDoo (BRP) that has a “composite” hull material called Polytec. While I’m sure that the same ceramic or graphene products wouldn’t damage the individual hulls I am curious about the hydrophobic properties in regards to this new material. Thank you in advance.
Interesting and I learned a lot. Here is something I just googled....At least some of Adams and Ethos products are blended by B and B blending. In fact, B and B blending is located in Northglenn, Colorado in a building that is only 5 miles from the Adams Polishes store and manufacturing building in Thorton, Colorado. Love Adams products so cool to see that their blender is just down the street from them. Looks like Colorado is leading the way in auto detailing products.
Pan , Again you nailed it. Non biased interviews are fantastic. Its a great time to be a gear head. .huge horse power never seen before and protection that seems impossible a decade or two ago. Im looking forward to new products....im already down the rabbit hole with buying everything. Please interview the owners of The Last Coat. Interested in that companies R&D . Thanks again buddy
You’ve done an outstanding job interviewing the chemists and bringing this information to the detailing community. Great questions and informative answers from B&B Blending and 303. Looks like I’ll have to build another shelf in the garage to hold all these new Graphene oxide products!
This was an excellent interview and video. The discussion about consumer wants and demands was dead on. We have products "available to us at Target for $7.99 in a 23 ounce bottle" that are so amazing that it boggles the mind. Taking good care of a car and maintaining and protecting the surface is a breeze now. Like Pan, maintaining my vehicles is soothing, and I do it multiple days each week.
Great video again Pan ;) It is true that car manufacturers have no interest in applying a paint that would lasts the life time of the car. Anything we buy for our car, the manufacturers could do it, but it doesn't pay off. We call it: planned obsolescence
WOW took awhile to get to this, 60 plus hours a week held me back BUT today watching was first priority and what a informative interview THANK YOU. Followed 90 % of everything that was said, you and other followers asked all the questions I could think of, thank God you add links bellow, your always thinking of us, you have become my number one go to guy. THANK YOU again and always. AWSOME interview and job. Have to go and get caught up with your other videos I haven't had a chance to watch. 👍.
I do believe graphene coatings are going to be the coating of the future, but i also believe it is still in it's infancy for being as good as advertised. That, however, is to be understood, because graphene itself is still be studied. I really like reading about flash graphene and how graphene is being created from even trash. I am still not sold on how well infusing graphene oxide has improved the product yet. I have seen too many test where graphene coatings is still not shown a major advantage than a great SiO2 product like Turtle Wax Seal N Shine. I am looking forward to more new products coming out that are truly Revolutionary and it is coming fast. Thanks again for another phenomenal video that in truly informational. I do think that eventually you are going to see this technology actually added to the actual paint during the production of the car, which will limit the amount of detailing that will be required from a detailing spray.
I'm 32min in, and this is potentially Pan's greatest video. I love the open, transparent dialogue. I actually feel more confident about spending the extra ~$10 on Graphene "enhanced" coatings. Pan, thank you for your continuous efforts, and congrats on the traction and success! Cheers, mate!
Ah thanks man! I appreciate the kind words. I too am always curious about new technology, and as the Pan TheOrganizer family is one of the biggest car detailing channels on RUclips, we have access to behind the scenes things like this, where we can geek out and ask questions and learn new things. And yes, Chris was very honest and transparent, which I greatly appreciated. He didn't shy away from any of my questions! I told him I wouldn't be doing any editing or cutting, so it was cool to see he was open to the challenge. :)
@@PanTheOrganizer You've helped me a ton, shouldn't be a surprise at this point. To return the favor, I recommend checking out VoiceMeeter and OBS. I use them in my professional career, and I think you'd like it for this type of content. Let me know if I can assist, I owe you! Thanks again for the work you put into this, incredible stuff! :)
Totally awesome! Really great information on graphine, and the industry. Chris refers to the Blenders as an invisible hand, I think he just strengthened the detailing world, by showing us who B&B is, what they do and thier incredible capabilities, as well as the capabilities of thier raw material suppliers. It's no different than the car you drive, most of the components are bought from suppliers, a good portion are designed, developed and manufactured by the supply base. You and Chtis just blazed a new trail by educating the consumer in who and what are behind these products. A few questions: 1. How does a blender keep the products unique enough for thier customers, especially with the more complicated and expensive products such as ceramic and graphine coatings? 2. With the reduction in VOCs in automotive paint systems, and the move to water based clear coats, do you see graphine oxide being used in automotive paint, if so how far into the future? 3. We have just seen the White Hats in the detailing industry. How about the Black Hats? What is behind these companies who do put out snake oil and junk that is highly marketed on social media, and how do they survive? In order to survive that have to have somehow maintained a loyal customer base, as well as continually increasing it.
1. That's one of the difficulties of my team's role - how do you keep everyone feeling unique? The more complicated the formula, usually the easier this is as then we have a lot of 'knobs' to turn to accentuate specific qualities or highlight different functionalities, price points, activity levels, or take the blend in an entirely different direction. That goes to say then, that the simpler the formula the harder it is to differentiate. 2. There's already work being done to upgrade/update clear coat systems utilizing some of these new technologies and I imagine it's likely a cost/benefit commercials issue for many at this point. It'll get there eventually. 3. By 'Black Hats' you mean the "bad guys"? There are quite a few brand that seem like they're promoting an inferior product or over exaggerating the claims... I think that's true of just about any consumer good, regardless of industry. How do they survive? They don't... It's make the money while it's to be made and then get out. Simply put.
Some people get too hung up in how much of this and that are in things. You can’t make a cake exactly the same every time and no two bakers do it exactly the same every time. All this coatings have things that bind things together and to the surface. Things like SnS are great products. Great durability and a cheap price point, better than any old school wax for sure. And lots of these things take no time to apply as opposed to old schools stuff.
For sure. If people aren't impressed with the level of protection a simple spray on product, that takes you only 15 minutes to apply, that will last one year, and resist the elements, chemicals, UV rays, boost gloss and slickness, make the car easier to wash, etc, then I don't know what will make them happy! HAHA
Absolutely the coolest, best, and most far reaching information yet. Pan, thanks for taking us along for the ride. Chris, if you’re reading this, thank you, too. You gave more down to earth with true chemistry explanations that I’ve seen. Makes me want not only use these things, but sell them, too. It’s not my profession, but boy shouldn’t every seller of these items know and be able to communicate these ideas. What a great job! I smiled, too Pan!!!
It is due to videos such as this, that I continue to watch and use this channel as a basis on which to form my decisions. There are those that would just write this channel off, as a pure marketing arm of certain brands. Yet, how many of these individuals, actually stay around and watch these in depth conversations in full. Then take this knowledge and apply it to other videos or so called "experts" opinions. Just the example of using degreaser and the stripping tests shown in all those videos. Thank you Pan for all your hard work, doing test correctly, your willingness to learn and be corrected in your understanding.
Pan & Chris... amazing video! Appreciate the knowledge sharing. As a “prosumer”, all I want is the best products and not be taken advantage of. I have coated 6 cars now with Graphene coatings by three companies. For me, all have shown better results than my go-to ceramic coating. Keep advancing the car detailing space with evidence based advancements. Thank you!
WOW. That was the best time I have spent learning about our industry, products and procedures I am so proud of you for landing that interview. If any other detailers have been fortunate enough to gain such access I've never heard of it, (maybe back in the 60s someone interviewed the CEO of Turtlewax !) In my mind you have, in the scope of 1:17.08 elevated yourself, and OUR channel if I may be so humble, to the premier channel on RUclips and every other social media site available. You single handidly eliminated all the hype and false advertising that is forthcoming in the next few months, we just need to replay this video and the bullshit from thé marketing companies these brands are bound to hire can be disputed and silenced. Congratulations Pan, l am honored to be part of your circle. ( Mike Wallace ain't got nothing on you ! 60 minutes investigative reporter.)
Hahaaha that was a great read Kevin! Thanks for the kind words. It’s nice to see you guys appreciate my efforts to make things like this happen. Have a great weekend! 👍🏻
@@PanTheOrganizer yea I tend to write a book when I'm as passionate about something like I am with detailing and subsequent false advertising. I'm glad for you not all your followers do the same.( I can hear you saying "ME TOO KEVIN".). No need to reply to this reply !!
Fantastic interview! I was excited to learn I might be able to bring my 5 year coating back after it couldn't make it through 1 Iowa winter. 1 decontamination later - it's slightly worse. Either way, why are we putting coatings on our cars that bond to the stuff we're trying to keep away from our cars?
Once again Pan, DAMN! What an educational video, I thought the 303 video was great this one for what ever reason was even better. Thank you for taking your time to educate us! 🙏🏻
What a paaaaaaaaantastic interview. Got to watch/ listen while driving to work. You are very awesome person for interviews. Keep up the excellent work you do for all of us
Thank you for taking the time to do these interviews very helpful info. I just applied the Adam’s Graphene ceramic coat and it looks amazing! Also thank you for all your great videos and info Pan great work!!
Fantastic video as always! Question: I know you mentioned on the other video you can use this on top of existing sealants,,,however can you use/recommend any toppers on top of graphene coatings?
Pan, that was awesome and insightful. Many thanks to you and Chris. Clearly he has a very deep understanding of what this technology is and can explain it so well. I was really pleased about what he said about thermal properties. I know from my background that the statements about graphene coatings lowering surface temperature had to be incorrect. There is no way something that thin can have good thermal conductive properties. The metal in the panel is so significantly a better thermal conductor than any atom-level coating could be, that it is laughable to claim otherwise.
I am no coatings expert but I have done limited academic studies of Graphene and it is one of the most thermally conductive materials known. In the region of 2,000 - 4,000W/mK. I work in the field of adhesives and an average, very thick film in comparison Epoxy would be around 3-4W/mK
@@simongibbs7224 You made me realize my early thinking was incorrect. I was imagining the heat flowing away laterally through the coating. In this direction, the thermal conduction would be poor (since the coating is not a single continuous graphene matrix). However, if I think of this as heat flowing through the coating, through the paint and into the metal, then the thermal conduction would be good. In fact, any material when thin enough would be a good conductor, graphene or no. The thermal transfer coefficient (or admittance) is dependent on material thickness. For a coating that is likely 0.1mil or less thick, this is going to be negligible relative to paint which is around 8mils and has poor thermal conductivity.
Angles were mentioned when referring to beading and sheeting. Where is that angle measured at? Does a higher angle (Diamond ProTech says 142) or lower angle mean more? Love the technical perspective with chemists. Merci.
I discovered that the unnamed graphene coating that I used on my 25 yo PU not only helped me decide that I do NOT need to repaint it, but it is also a really good RVL restorer/dressing.
Very interesting. To play devil's advocate; what does surprise me though [as another hosts last upload evidenced] don’t the companies do their own “wash tests” to see how their products stand up prior to sending their “latest” to you guys. Are they rushing the latest “buzz word” to market to jump on the consumer carousel or are they utilizing hosts as live R&D in no different a way as smaller producers use a mixing factor to develop a product? How far can the technology be stretched? [The way the world is going it won’t be long before car manufacturers offer a costed factory option to have ceramic/graphene hybrid infused carbon clearcoat within their reduced 2mil total painted surface to save weight, hyp more mpg and market it as an eco-friendly self-cleaning hard-wearing durable surface requiring less maintenance].
You're exactly right. Yes, we do plenty of tests prior to a customer launching a product, but very often something is challenged in ways it wasn't intended to be. Essentially, a product 'A' is created to be extremely easy to use, error-proof during application, but then gets challenged for its durability against product 'B' which is, objectively, harder to apply and not as easy to use and was designed for that challenge. It can cause a misrepresentation of the purpose of the product and make it seem silly that it ever made it to market. To your other point, yes, I absolutely agree with you that these technologies will be built into materials further upstream in the supply chain and at OEM levels - perhaps that's already happening. ;)
excellent points all around 13pcbs! And there is definitely an "inexpensive future" where this stuff is embedded in the clear coat. Surprising that they havent dont it yet.
@@cgallahar Rather than harsh chemicals, I’d love to see a “top three pick” applied to a panel then left outside under a tree for the local sky rats to bomb, or hard rain, then get out the usb microscope to examine etching etc to see if a coating has an environmental stand up. Every day here in the UK my local rats are gorging on berries and depositing bright pink pressies for me to deal with. Either that or my current "go-to" has an inbuilt “X” invisible to the human eye!
@@13pcbs That's certainly more realistic than subjugating a panel, with a product applied, to a battery of back-to-back degreasers, yo-yoing the pH with acids and alkali-heavy degreasers, and using harsh solvents to attempt to demonstrate the durability. As Pan said, it's entertaining and interesting to see what happens, but, please, don't take this as the end-all-be-all demonstration of a product's performance - we, as formulators, aren't formulating the products to be applicable to this type of punishment and it's more of an aside.
@@PanTheOrganizer Oh I don’t know? This is incredible info your putting out there. Seems like “Ceramic Only” will be a 2nd best coating and so far his products are all Ceramic which are I’m guessing excellent because he’s one of those people who could tell someone like Chris G. Exactly what he wants in his product.
I really enjoy these interviews! This is the real deal information and no nonsense. Chris is very good - he is in the right place at his job! Looking forward to any and all of these interviews :)
I fully agree Brian! I will continue to learn new things until the day I die hopefully! :) Closed minded people who refuse to learn are always left in the dust. ;)
You know at first I was thinking this was gonna be similar to other videos but this was actually informative. I’ve been using a Graphene Oxide product since 2019 and this sheds some light on it. Very nice.
Super awesome content Pan thank you for being so passionate about helping everyone in this industry, there's not a video that goes unwatched 🙏 And thank you to Chris as well, you guys killed it
Those are kind words Joey, and I appreciate them. It's always nice for me to see that my efforts to produce good content don't go unnoticed by my viewers. ;)
Fantastic educational addition to the industry, gentlemen. I am an early adopter of a graphene enhanced coating (perhaps blended by B&B) and I’m a believer in the technology. Thank you to the channel for awesome content 👏👏👏
Pan, I really appreciate the time you take to do this to help us be educated. I have learned so much from your videos and others like Apex from Brian. Keep educating us because we are thirsty for knowledge. Plus I want to become a better detailer and provide the best service to my customers.
Great question. I really have enjoyed all of them to the point I watch some them twice to ensure I didn’t miss anything. But this one was awesome and my favorite. Love the deep dive into graphene.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm guessing you are Greek Dimitri? I'm half Greek (born in Canada). My name is Pandelis (people call me Pan). My dad is from Messolonghi!! OPA!
Very cool! I was in Cali in August for the Monterey Car Week! I absolutely fell in love with California and its awesome weather! It was a nice 20C (68F) all week while I was there (I hate super hot weather over 30C) and zero rain. A dream place for people who like detailing! Did you watch my Monterey Car Week experience video? Here: ruclips.net/video/BrFEtB_NcDw/видео.html
@@PanTheOrganizer yes we definitely have some amazing weather, which I think is the main reason it’s such a desirable place to live. Monterey stays cooler than where I am in Los Angeles, but I still love LA and it’s definitely easier to keep your car clean with so little rain. I haven’t watched the Monterey video but I’ll check it out soon!
Very interesting. Love to hear/see the "behind the curtain" stuff and what goes on and how things happen. Pan - as always, well done! Keep it tight, keep it clean!
Video of 2020. Big thank you to you Pan and to Chris at B&B. Super informative and definitely learned a lot. I've just started using Graphene and wanted to learn more. Thank you guys again!
Pan, thank you for that video, very informative .. its just amazing the science going into developing these products.. I'm semi retired and using your knowledge and comparison of products to start me back into the detailing business. Products have changed beyond comparison since I did my time in car repairs some 40 years ago.. Thanks again .. keep up the good work.. Cheers.. Lee (UK)
What a great dose of information easy to understand and very relevant to car detailer professionals and new comers. Pan you are to be applauded for what we all learned.
Thanks for the positive feedback Steve! I appreciate it. My goal with my channel is to transmit my passion and knowledge to my audience, so they can go out there and enjoy detailing their cars with all the information and confidence that they need to do a good job. And to do that, I feel it's my responsibility to make techniques, products, innovation, and information accessible to everyone, in an easy to understand way so people can comprehend how the detailing world evolves and how to evolve our techniques along with it. The more a person is well informed, the better purchasing decisions they will make and the better they'll be able to perform tasks to detail their own vehicles. :)
The coating resins, including those containing graphene oxide, will typically continue the trend of a cold, metallic, mirror-type gloss instead of a warm richness that a more natural based wax, such as carnauba, generates. The gloss intensity is often a function of the loading level of the resin(s) within the product and the ability to lay down as much theoretical maximum film thickness as possible. Gloss retention then comes in the form of maintaining that coating film's appearance via self cleaning effects and scratch/mar resistance, which the graphene oxide containing resins seem to be quite sturdy. Hope this helps!
Awsome video. I love that you are focusing on the science behind these products. Maybe a tour of the MFG facilities would be a good video. It would give everyone an inside on what it takes to manufacture all the products we love.
This. Was. Awesome! The brick and mortar analogy is was perfect and made the most sense. I was also curious about the topper need for graphene products. Thank you for getting these great interviews, Pan!
Thank you Pan. Excellent interview content. Brought back fond memories of Organic/Biochemistry labs in college. It makes sense why SiO2 products are acceptable as toppers to maintain the Graphene coating and the importance or paint preparation before protection. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Big shout out to you Pan for the awesome interview with Chris!! I work on quite a few boats. I would love to know how these new sealants and coatings bond to gel coated surfaces and other hard surfaces in general. Whats your take on that after your talk with Chris? Thanks man!
Great video, really appreciate how Chris was transparent and even had the cajones to say that consumers are entitled. This and his technical explanations really shows his knowledge and honesty! B&B blending is definitely something I’m going to look into, great interview pan!
I guess using pure graphene is like asking a baker to bake a cake with just eggs. Makes sense! Thanks pan for the technical information on these products.
Thanks JJ! How did you discover my channel by the way? Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on RUclips as we surpassed 840,000 subscribers and 105 million views! I have been detailing for 25 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers. You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
I'm learning about detailing cars and wanted to learn about today's products. I'd like to start detailing. Out of all the you tubers you were the most informative and from Canada. So you understand Canadian conditions
Hi Pen, love your channel. I've just started a job as a formulator in a car care company in my country and I find this product really interesting!! Any advice to start developing these curing formulations? Thanks a Lot!
My 2nd time watching this interview. Think about having the Chemist on yearly because he does convey in a layman’s explanation. He’s relaxed and clear in his communication. Now Pan David was good to but he seemed nervous in the interview. But he know what he’s talking about because he’s the R & D manager. But but when your talking and not stumbling ever so slightly; it conveys doubt/ skepticism to the listener. Lastly Pan I appreciate the time both the Chemist gave us and maybe it had to do with me having a science/ medical background. Thank you always Pan for your channel 🙏🏽🤜🏽
@@PanTheOrganizer The Company loves and appreciate the way you review products not just theirs but the details you give are so objective.👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. Tell Andy this viewer says hello Pan🫡
Thanks Barry! It's nice to see that you guys appreciate the lengths I go to in order to come up with fresh content all the time. You never know what video you'll find next on the Pan TheOrganizer channel! I always try to educate all while entertaining. :)
I'd pick all the winners in my latest awards video: ruclips.net/video/ULvGi3dbBrA/видео.html Links always in the description under each video. There is not a single site that has everything I like, so I shop from many different online sources.
Chris mentioned "angles" in beading and sheeting. What does the angle indicate or mean and what angle on the bead or sheet does this refer to? Is it a measurement from the surface panel and water Edge? How is it actually measured? Is there a diagram to explain this? It seemed to me a higher angle like 142 (diamond ProTech) is higher than another at - say 105. What does this angle imply? How is this meaningful? Love the chemical insight.
Great stuff. Really interesting. Can we get the industry to adopt “standard” accelerated tests to drive a recognised durability rating or index. You can do it Pan!
I grew up with Adam and worked in Colorado helping Adams Polishes move to bigger location and worked with B&B blending in Northglenn... B.B is owned by investors of Adams..... Learned a lot about behind the scenes and how many companies there are... Like Jay Leno and Adams is the same and stoner products are Adams too
Major kudos and thank you for these two graphene interviews with experts. Super helpful content to better understand. I just got a new car and now I’m much more looking forward to exploring a graphene ceramic coating with one of these companies like Adam’s new line with B&B or 303. Hope the companies realize the branding goodwill this helps to provide.
Thanks! Next, you should watch a recent video I made about the newest Adam’s Advanced Graphene Ceramic Coating: ruclips.net/video/idU5XsHTj7Y/видео.html
Love this video Pan. Thanks a lot for helping to inform the consumers. Videos like this really help to eliminate all the confusion surrounding chemistry in the detailing world. A lot of value in this interview. Thank you!
@@PanTheOrganizer I started my own detailing business last summer and I found your channel on RUclips recommendations one day. It’s been a great resource ever since!
@@PanTheOrganizer I coated 2 cars this fall, Glassparency Graphene and did another car with Armor Shield 9 , both great to use (thanks to your reviews!). Topped the graphene with Turtle wax. And topped the the Armor Shield with mother’s CMX. Will say am impressed with Glassparency, and very happy with the Armor Shield, however even after watching you, Matt, and Larry, I’m still expecting more from graphene in the years to come that will be even more impressive.
Chemical resistance test of graphene coatings: ruclips.net/video/wZYZc9uDyek/видео.html
Watch of few of my graphene coatings reviews and application tutorials:
Turtle Wax Graphene Flex Wax: ruclips.net/video/b5BjDzItlr8/видео.html
GlassParency Graphene coating: ruclips.net/video/HHjxaRz8iiA/видео.html
303 Graphene Spray Coating: ruclips.net/video/hHefz3XMK1g/видео.html
Watch some other interesting graphene technology discussions in these videos:
Pan TheOrganizer: ruclips.net/video/kw4Ai1973sk/видео.html
Pan TheOrganizer: ruclips.net/video/tcZUqmqxU90/видео.html
Chicago Auto Pros: ruclips.net/video/sbfr35YkDzk/видео.html
Larry from AMMO NYC: ruclips.net/video/mn0Dv2-7XHo/видео.html
The Rag Company ft. Yvan Lacroix: ruclips.net/video/lkEst4Z0a3g/видео.html
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Great information Pan. 3D Products does this for many companies as well. I'd love to see a video with Tuinch founder of 3D Products. He's an amazing guy and leading the industry especially in abrasive technology. Such a difference in what they've doing compared to the rest of the industry
It is refreshing to actually hear and see from a technical officer talk you through the process and the amount of testing they are taking to confidently put out a product that can stand by it's claim. B&B Blending has stepped to the top of the list for a RESPECTABLE and HONORABLE Blending company. Thank you.
There has been so much innovation in the automotive detailing game in the last 10 years. Its crazy!
I agree. The speed at which things evolve now, compared to two decades ago is just mind boggling. It's so fun to be a part of this journey!
Pan, I would love to see this “technical deep dive” as a continuing segment moving forward. Other companies, chemists and products. Companies famous for waxes, or cleaners/degreasers, fabrics etc.
Thanks Matt! I will continue to do these deep dives into the industry, as I also find them super fun!
Yes I would love this to be a continuing segment also
Exactly the kind of content that I am looking for. I don't like to hear marketing people talk up their product, but instead interviews with chemists and others with technical knowledge with no incentive to bend the facts. Hope you'll keep this coming.
Thanks Raimo!
I would love to hear more from the CTO. All over forums you'll see people complain that all boutique brands are just putting out the same products. Glad Chris could share some light that just because it's blended at B&B, doesn't at all mean it's just the same formula. People don't care where their fruits and veggies come from at the store, yet they get their panties in a bunch over car care products?
Exactly. I share the same opinion. I personally couldn't care any less if a product is made here, there or on the moon. Does it meet my expectations? Does it perform well? Do I like using it? Those are the questions I always want answered.
Thank you, Pan, for making the interview with Chris possible. I found your questions to the point and his answers informative and transparent. The industry needs more of these discussions. Thank you, again....
Thanks for the feedback Edwin. It's cool that I have access to things like this now with my channel becoming so important, so it's cool for me to be able to share these moments with my audience as it's because you guys are there and made all of this possible! :)
Extremely informative and educational interview! His explanation for Graphene having less water spotting in relation to heat reduction etc. was exceptional. All of his answers hit the mark. Chris really knows his stuff.
Excellent interview Pan!
The example of brick (graphene oxide) and mortar (ceramic base) was great. Another good analogy for that is tile (graphene) and grout (ceramic base). The tile needs very little maintenance it's the grout that fills the space between tiles that needs the maintenance.
I'd like to see this type of interview regarding other car care products.
I'm hoping that Turtle Wax comes out with a graphene ceramic blended product similar to the 303 nanotechnology graphene product. I'm actually surprised that hasn't come yet.
Thanks James! I know for a fact that Turtle Wax is working on something pretty awesome as I was able to chat with their chemist and get the secret out of their mouths! Here: ruclips.net/video/maOL4KEsK0c/видео.html
Stay tuned to my channel, this is VERY promising!
Thank you Pan! You've done the detailing world a tremendous service with these educational interviews. It clears up a lot of misconceptions that exist and would linger without end. Well done!
Great to hear!
@@PanTheOrganizer I used Adam's Graphene ceramic spray coating as my base. Can I top it on with Turtlewax Hybrid Graphene Flex Spray Wax?
Instead of people complaining that something is fake or just a relabeled product maybe they should just try it for themselves and see what the product can do. People are very quick to judge before they have all of the facts. Thank you for doing these interviews it is very informative and gives use the knowledge when buying and applying the new products.
I have not heard from anyone that a graphene coating is snake oil. I think there should be skepticism when introducing this or any new product.
I agree Paul. And this is one reason I like to have open discussions with experts in the industry, so we can get more information and be able to make smarter purchase decisions as customers. I always tell people to try the product, and if it's not for you, then you're in luck, as there are thousands and thousands of other products to choose from. It's sad to see that some people discard new technologies right off the bat, without even having tried them, just because they "think they know" how it all works. I draw my own conclusions based on my own experience with products, also based on my personal observations.
pan hit it on the head....its how they are asking the question.....graphene in its 2 dimentional state(pure) cannot be put on a vehicle.....they are asking if it has graphene in it - NOT if graphene oxide is in it......so the naysayers are correct that graphene in its purest state cannot be applied....probably never will be due to cost to get it to that state.....currently it is found in supercomputers in pure form since it can conduct electricity(supercompute) at almost half the speed of light
Here is why complaining is a must. Trying for yourself is exactly how one is duped into thinking the product truly works as described while promoting it. This is false advertising, which is an unlawful offence in most countries and we should not be promoting charlatan claims. People make money from false advertising of graphene product, charging more for the same protection one would get spending less that doesn't say graphene on it. No consumer should be okay with this, perhaps you don't mind being ripped off? These products work because they have ceramic. Here is why one can deduce its a sham without even having to try the product. The claim is enhanced properties with Graphene. First, there are many scientific papers which show that a very high percent of the PRODUCED Graphene is counterfeit or degraded to the point of not being 'graphene' effective and is a real concern among the scientific bodies. Its severely unlikely automotive detailing producers aren't even using valid single or ISO approved stacked graphene to begin with. Detailers are not getting the rare amount of good stuff (valid) in the world. Second, Other uses such as plating, batteries, electrical and other industrial application use of graphene have very costly and complicated processes, such as CVD to apply and validate. Third, there is no scientific means of arranging this allotrope carbon lattice onto a vehicle surface without breaking the single or ISO 10 layer arrangement. Forth. Somehow the automotive industry magically got around all the challenges and you can drip it out of a bottle and just wipe it on. I also do not agree this is okay and throw the Marketing excuse out there. Post Grape cereal printed prevent and cures appendicitis and malaria on their boxes, because marketing steered towards what customers wanted to hear. Kinda amusing nothing changes.
@@ctsvmapper if u are talking about graphene in its pure form of 1 atom 2 dimensional state.....u are correct. auto detailing will never use graphene in its purest form like other industries(electrical/semiconductor) due to the extreme cost of processing pure graphene. as stated in this and most vids about the detailing products promoting graphene.....the material used is graphene oxide.....which is clear in color. your problem is with the marketing of these products.....not the fact that they do perform better in many ways than ceramic. mr gallaher addresses the marketing need for using the catchword "graphene".......he even addresses the need for graphite in the bottles....so that the consumer will relate to the benefits of graphene/oxide....the molecular structure is the same. imho this video explained the technology and gave us a clear/transparent understanding what is being used and how it is being formulated so that we may make an educated decision if we want to use it
Another edifying video - thanks for helping translate the complex into common language. I am a better informed/educated consumer now. For what it's worth - in my business I found that not addressing 'myths/falsehoods' eventually leads to the myth being perceived as the truth. Getting the facts out early and understandably always pays dividends in my experience.
Thanks Guy! And I agree with you. We have to have these discussions to get informed, and not just discard new technologies because people don't always understand them. The more information you get, the better understanding one has on new technology and that leads them to make more informed purchase decisions.
Sad part: certain percent of people will still complain and not try even if there's 2 chemist interviews on RUclips done by you Pan. I did my first ceramic coating this month so I understand about flashing times, etc. Next year I'll definitely try graphene! Thanks for all the content in your channel! Very helpful as a first time into detailing world.
Thanks Jen! And yes you are right. Unfortunately, some will still believe it’s snake oil until they actually try it. My prediction: in two years from now, graphene coatings will be widely accepted and used.
As a former marketing guy, the competition between brands is beyond intense. This goes for virtually all consumer packaged goods.
Awesome video pan! A lot of super helpful information here.
hey jason is that u who sent reply???? hope u and all the cap team are safe and well...imho i think IGL label simply states what it is....IGL F4 - graphene infused!!!! jim and i have talked at length about this technology.....graphene in its pure state of one atom/2dimensional form is wayyyyyy to costly to manufacture for the industry - it will never come to market in its pure form for auto care. i find it interesting - even funny that graphite had to be included in the bottles marketed so that the consumer would accept the idea.....when u met with jim he stated that graphine oxide is CLEAR!!! be well ...say hi to amy greg jim etc.....right now i have the f4 on top of z1.....gloss/hydrophobicity/depth - clarity is all excellent - fyi
Thanks Jason! I appreciate it. I linked your video too in the description as I think it’s important we get as much information as possible from different sources. This is a promising technology and although it’s in its early stages, so far so good for the ones I have been testing. Mark my words, two years from now, everyone will be using graphene coatings (or graphene oxide who cares) just like we’re using ceramic coatings now. 😀
Hello Jason!
B.B is owned by Adams investors.. i grew up with Adam and worked with Investors and Chris from B.B.. in Northglenn , CO
Wow, great interview! That really addressed all the issues and provided practical answers to not only the technical matters but the rumor mills as well. If anyone is thinking about Graphene coating, this will clarify the issues. Great job Pan and many thanks to Chris Gallahar for stepping out from behind the scenes and providing clarification before the rumors got out of control. Ray Piccin
Thanks Ray!
This CTO is an excellent interviewee. Great questions and even better answers. No bullshit and no bias
Thanks Pat! Yeah I could tell Chris is a top level chemist in that industry.
PTO, thank you for your continued detailed interviews on current detailing information. You and the folks that you have interviewed often reference the marine industry. While there are countless fiberglass hull recommendations I have a more specific interest and question. I recently purchased a new tritoon produced by SeaDoo (BRP) that has a “composite” hull material called Polytec. While I’m sure that the same ceramic or graphene products wouldn’t damage the individual hulls I am curious about the hydrophobic properties in regards to this new material. Thank you in advance.
Adams popped into my head before he outright said it. I’m glad he did, very interesting.
Glad you enjoyed it
Adams owns B&B
@@thecleanoffroader And Recochem Inc. owns Adam's
Interesting and I learned a lot. Here is something I just googled....At least some of Adams and Ethos products are blended by B and B blending. In fact, B and B blending is located in Northglenn, Colorado in a building that is only 5 miles from the Adams Polishes store and manufacturing building in Thorton, Colorado. Love Adams products so cool to see that their blender is just down the street from them. Looks like Colorado is leading the way in auto detailing products.
Thanks you for this information!!! I was wondering who blended Adam's Polishes Graphene Coating.
Pan , Again you nailed it. Non biased interviews are fantastic. Its a great time to be a gear head. .huge horse power never seen before and protection that seems impossible a decade or two ago. Im looking forward to new products....im already down the rabbit hole with buying everything. Please interview the owners of The Last Coat. Interested in that companies R&D . Thanks again buddy
Glad you enjoyed it! And yes I'll be looking into doing more of these "insight into the industry" type videos. I always have a blast doing them!
The Last Coat; would love to hear that also.
You’ve done an outstanding job interviewing the chemists and bringing this information to the detailing community. Great questions and informative answers from B&B Blending and 303. Looks like I’ll have to build another shelf in the garage to hold all these new Graphene oxide products!
Thanks John!
This was an excellent interview and video. The discussion about consumer wants and demands was dead on. We have products "available to us at Target for $7.99 in a 23 ounce bottle" that are so amazing that it boggles the mind. Taking good care of a car and maintaining and protecting the surface is a breeze now. Like Pan, maintaining my vehicles is soothing, and I do it multiple days each week.
Thanks John!
Great video again Pan ;)
It is true that car manufacturers have no interest in applying a paint that would lasts the life time of the car. Anything we buy for our car, the manufacturers could do it, but it doesn't pay off. We call it: planned obsolescence
WOW took awhile to get to this, 60 plus hours a week held me back BUT today watching was first priority and what a informative interview THANK YOU. Followed 90 % of everything that was said, you and other followers asked all the questions I could think of, thank God you add links bellow, your always thinking of us, you have become my number one go to guy. THANK YOU again and always. AWSOME interview and job. Have to go and get caught up with your other videos I haven't had a chance to watch. 👍.
Thanks for the positive feedback Keith! How did you discover my channel?
I do believe graphene coatings are going to be the coating of the future, but i also believe it is still in it's infancy for being as good as advertised. That, however, is to be understood, because graphene itself is still be studied. I really like reading about flash graphene and how graphene is being created from even trash. I am still not sold on how well infusing graphene oxide has improved the product yet. I have seen too many test where graphene coatings is still not shown a major advantage than a great SiO2 product like Turtle Wax Seal N Shine. I am looking forward to more new products coming out that are truly Revolutionary and it is coming fast. Thanks again for another phenomenal video that in truly informational. I do think that eventually you are going to see this technology actually added to the actual paint during the production of the car, which will limit the amount of detailing that will be required from a detailing spray.
Yes mate I agree with you I think it's still too early give it a couple of months yet and I think we will know if gravity is any good
I'm 32min in, and this is potentially Pan's greatest video. I love the open, transparent dialogue. I actually feel more confident about spending the extra ~$10 on Graphene "enhanced" coatings. Pan, thank you for your continuous efforts, and congrats on the traction and success! Cheers, mate!
Ah thanks man! I appreciate the kind words. I too am always curious about new technology, and as the Pan TheOrganizer family is one of the biggest car detailing channels on RUclips, we have access to behind the scenes things like this, where we can geek out and ask questions and learn new things. And yes, Chris was very honest and transparent, which I greatly appreciated. He didn't shy away from any of my questions! I told him I wouldn't be doing any editing or cutting, so it was cool to see he was open to the challenge. :)
@@PanTheOrganizer You've helped me a ton, shouldn't be a surprise at this point. To return the favor, I recommend checking out VoiceMeeter and OBS. I use them in my professional career, and I think you'd like it for this type of content. Let me know if I can assist, I owe you! Thanks again for the work you put into this, incredible stuff! :)
Thanks for your support!
Totally awesome! Really great information on graphine, and the industry. Chris refers to the Blenders as an invisible hand, I think he just strengthened the detailing world, by showing us who B&B is, what they do and thier incredible capabilities, as well as the capabilities of thier raw material suppliers. It's no different than the car you drive, most of the components are bought from suppliers, a good portion are designed, developed and manufactured by the supply base. You and Chtis just blazed a new trail by educating the consumer in who and what are behind these products. A few questions: 1. How does a blender keep the products unique enough for thier customers, especially with the more complicated and expensive products such as ceramic and graphine coatings? 2. With the reduction in VOCs in automotive paint systems, and the move to water based clear coats, do you see graphine oxide being used in automotive paint, if so how far into the future? 3. We have just seen the White Hats in the detailing industry. How about the Black Hats? What is behind these companies who do put out snake oil and junk that is highly marketed on social media, and how do they survive? In order to survive that have to have somehow maintained a loyal customer base, as well as continually increasing it.
1. That's one of the difficulties of my team's role - how do you keep everyone feeling unique? The more complicated the formula, usually the easier this is as then we have a lot of 'knobs' to turn to accentuate specific qualities or highlight different functionalities, price points, activity levels, or take the blend in an entirely different direction. That goes to say then, that the simpler the formula the harder it is to differentiate.
2. There's already work being done to upgrade/update clear coat systems utilizing some of these new technologies and I imagine it's likely a cost/benefit commercials issue for many at this point. It'll get there eventually.
3. By 'Black Hats' you mean the "bad guys"? There are quite a few brand that seem like they're promoting an inferior product or over exaggerating the claims... I think that's true of just about any consumer good, regardless of industry. How do they survive? They don't... It's make the money while it's to be made and then get out. Simply put.
WOW, talk about pulling the curtain back! Great interview and I certainly appreciate the candid open honesty of Chris Gallahar. Just Outstanding!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Some people get too hung up in how much of this and that are in things. You can’t make a cake exactly the same every time and no two bakers do it exactly the same every time. All this coatings have things that bind things together and to the surface. Things like SnS are great products. Great durability and a cheap price point, better than any old school wax for sure. And lots of these things take no time to apply as opposed to old schools stuff.
For sure. If people aren't impressed with the level of protection a simple spray on product, that takes you only 15 minutes to apply, that will last one year, and resist the elements, chemicals, UV rays, boost gloss and slickness, make the car easier to wash, etc, then I don't know what will make them happy! HAHA
Absolutely the coolest, best, and most far reaching information yet. Pan, thanks for taking us along for the ride. Chris, if you’re reading this, thank you, too. You gave more down to earth with true chemistry explanations that I’ve seen. Makes me want not only use these things, but sell them, too. It’s not my profession, but boy shouldn’t every seller of these items know and be able to communicate these ideas. What a great job! I smiled, too Pan!!!
It is due to videos such as this, that I continue to watch and use this channel as a basis on which to form my decisions. There are those that would just write this channel off, as a pure marketing arm of certain brands. Yet, how many of these individuals, actually stay around and watch these in depth conversations in full. Then take this knowledge and apply it to other videos or so called "experts" opinions. Just the example of using degreaser and the stripping tests shown in all those videos. Thank you Pan for all your hard work, doing test correctly, your willingness to learn and be corrected in your understanding.
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Pan & Chris... amazing video! Appreciate the knowledge sharing. As a “prosumer”, all I want is the best products and not be taken advantage of. I have coated 6 cars now with Graphene coatings by three companies. For me, all have shown better results than my go-to ceramic coating. Keep advancing the car detailing space with evidence based advancements. Thank you!
Thanks Guenter, I appreciate the feedback!
WOW. That was the best time I have spent learning about our industry, products and procedures I am so proud of you for landing that interview. If any other detailers have been fortunate enough to gain such access I've never heard of it, (maybe back in the 60s someone interviewed the CEO of Turtlewax !)
In my mind you have, in the scope of 1:17.08 elevated yourself, and OUR channel if I may be so humble, to the premier channel on RUclips and every other social media site available. You single handidly eliminated all the hype and false advertising that is forthcoming in the next few months, we just need to replay this video and the bullshit from thé marketing companies these brands are bound to hire can be disputed and silenced. Congratulations Pan, l am honored to be part of your circle. ( Mike Wallace ain't got nothing on you ! 60 minutes investigative reporter.)
Hahaaha that was a great read Kevin! Thanks for the kind words. It’s nice to see you guys appreciate my efforts to make things like this happen. Have a great weekend! 👍🏻
@@PanTheOrganizer yea I tend to write a book when I'm as passionate about something like I am with detailing and subsequent false advertising. I'm glad for you not all your followers do the same.( I can hear you saying "ME TOO KEVIN".). No need to reply to this reply !!
Fantastic interview! I was excited to learn I might be able to bring my 5 year coating back after it couldn't make it through 1 Iowa winter. 1 decontamination later - it's slightly worse. Either way, why are we putting coatings on our cars that bond to the stuff we're trying to keep away from our cars?
Once again Pan, DAMN! What an educational video, I thought the 303 video was great this one for what ever reason was even better. Thank you for taking your time to educate us! 🙏🏻
Thanks Cory!
What a paaaaaaaaantastic interview. Got to watch/ listen while driving to work. You are very awesome person for interviews. Keep up the excellent work you do for all of us
Wow, thank you!
Thank you for taking the time to do these interviews very helpful info. I just applied the Adam’s Graphene ceramic coat and it looks amazing!
Also thank you for all your great videos and info Pan great work!!
Fantastic video as always! Question: I know you mentioned on the other video you can use this on top of existing sealants,,,however can you use/recommend any toppers on top of graphene coatings?
I would stick to ceramic or graphene based toppers. No waxes or sealants.
Pan, that was awesome and insightful. Many thanks to you and Chris. Clearly he has a very deep understanding of what this technology is and can explain it so well. I was really pleased about what he said about thermal properties. I know from my background that the statements about graphene coatings lowering surface temperature had to be incorrect. There is no way something that thin can have good thermal conductive properties. The metal in the panel is so significantly a better thermal conductor than any atom-level coating could be, that it is laughable to claim otherwise.
Yes it was very clear to me too that Chris is top notch.
I am no coatings expert but I have done limited academic studies of Graphene and it is one of the most thermally conductive materials known. In the region of 2,000 - 4,000W/mK. I work in the field of adhesives and an average, very thick film in comparison Epoxy would be around 3-4W/mK
@@simongibbs7224 You made me realize my early thinking was incorrect. I was imagining the heat flowing away laterally through the coating. In this direction, the thermal conduction would be poor (since the coating is not a single continuous graphene matrix). However, if I think of this as heat flowing through the coating, through the paint and into the metal, then the thermal conduction would be good. In fact, any material when thin enough would be a good conductor, graphene or no. The thermal transfer coefficient (or admittance) is dependent on material thickness. For a coating that is likely 0.1mil or less thick, this is going to be negligible relative to paint which is around 8mils and has poor thermal conductivity.
WOW! Thank you Chris and Pan. Blown away by the insight and substance of this interview! Kudos!!!
Ya, I was thinking about getting blown too! Pan has such a sexy mouth!
Glad you enjoyed it!
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Angles were mentioned when referring to beading and sheeting. Where is that angle measured at? Does a higher angle (Diamond ProTech says 142) or lower angle mean more? Love the technical perspective with chemists. Merci.
Pan, would love to see a "deep dive" with a chemist into the "waterless" & "rinseless" world!! Thank you!!
I discovered that the unnamed graphene coating that I used on my 25 yo PU not only helped me decide that I do NOT need to repaint it, but it is also a really good RVL restorer/dressing.
Very interesting.
To play devil's advocate; what does surprise me though [as another hosts last upload evidenced] don’t the companies do their own “wash tests” to see how their products stand up prior to sending their “latest” to you guys. Are they rushing the latest “buzz word” to market to jump on the consumer carousel or are they utilizing hosts as live R&D in no different a way as smaller producers use a mixing factor to develop a product? How far can the technology be stretched?
[The way the world is going it won’t be long before car manufacturers offer a costed factory option to have ceramic/graphene hybrid infused carbon clearcoat within their reduced 2mil total painted surface to save weight, hyp more mpg and market it as an eco-friendly self-cleaning hard-wearing durable surface requiring less maintenance].
You're exactly right. Yes, we do plenty of tests prior to a customer launching a product, but very often something is challenged in ways it wasn't intended to be. Essentially, a product 'A' is created to be extremely easy to use, error-proof during application, but then gets challenged for its durability against product 'B' which is, objectively, harder to apply and not as easy to use and was designed for that challenge. It can cause a misrepresentation of the purpose of the product and make it seem silly that it ever made it to market.
To your other point, yes, I absolutely agree with you that these technologies will be built into materials further upstream in the supply chain and at OEM levels - perhaps that's already happening. ;)
excellent points all around 13pcbs! And there is definitely an "inexpensive future" where this stuff is embedded in the clear coat. Surprising that they havent dont it yet.
@@cgallahar Rather than harsh chemicals, I’d love to see a “top three pick” applied to a panel then left outside under a tree for the local sky rats to bomb, or hard rain, then get out the usb microscope to examine etching etc to see if a coating has an environmental stand up. Every day here in the UK my local rats are gorging on berries and depositing bright pink pressies for me to deal with. Either that or my current "go-to" has an inbuilt “X” invisible to the human eye!
@@13pcbs That's certainly more realistic than subjugating a panel, with a product applied, to a battery of back-to-back degreasers, yo-yoing the pH with acids and alkali-heavy degreasers, and using harsh solvents to attempt to demonstrate the durability. As Pan said, it's entertaining and interesting to see what happens, but, please, don't take this as the end-all-be-all demonstration of a product's performance - we, as formulators, aren't formulating the products to be applicable to this type of punishment and it's more of an aside.
It's nice to see that we can have constructive conversations as grown ups! I'm happy. Too often on internet, these conversations become dramatic lol.
Well done 👍🏼👍🏼 Thanks Pan & Chris👋🏼 Very informative🔤🔡🔠
Glad you enjoyed it!
This was Amazing Pan. Truly Pantastic. Hope DPC watches.
Lol I don’t think he watches my videos
@@PanTheOrganizer Oh I don’t know? This is incredible info your putting out there. Seems like “Ceramic Only” will be a 2nd best coating and so far his products are all Ceramic which are I’m guessing excellent because he’s one of those people who could tell someone like Chris G. Exactly what he wants in his product.
I was being ironic as I don’t appreciate that DPC guy. He isn’t a good person and is not well liked by the detailing community. I’ll leave it at that.
I really enjoy these interviews! This is the real deal information and no nonsense. Chris is very good - he is in the right place at his job! Looking forward to any and all of these interviews :)
Glad you like them!
@@PanTheOrganizer Oh heck yeah! I am an engineer and, like you, the opportunity to learn new things is a fundamental part of life :)
I fully agree Brian! I will continue to learn new things until the day I die hopefully! :) Closed minded people who refuse to learn are always left in the dust. ;)
@@PanTheOrganizer Amen!
Thanks Pan, this is great interview, having a hard time keeping up to you videos, my issue. Keep up the great work
Thanks, will do!
You know at first I was thinking this was gonna be similar to other videos but this was actually informative. I’ve been using a Graphene Oxide product since 2019 and this sheds some light on it. Very nice.
Thanks for watching!
Super awesome content Pan thank you for being so passionate about helping everyone in this industry, there's not a video that goes unwatched 🙏 And thank you to Chris as well, you guys killed it
Those are kind words Joey, and I appreciate them. It's always nice for me to see that my efforts to produce good content don't go unnoticed by my viewers. ;)
Fantastic educational addition to the industry, gentlemen. I am an early adopter of a graphene enhanced coating (perhaps blended by B&B) and I’m a believer in the technology. Thank you to the channel for awesome content 👏👏👏
Thanks Ernesto! How did you discover my channel?
@@PanTheOrganizer I've been a fan of your page for years. RUclips algorithm connected us!
Thank you for your passion and for keeping us educated.
My pleasure!
Pan, I really appreciate the time you take to do this to help us be educated. I have learned so much from your videos and others like Apex from Brian. Keep educating us because we are thirsty for knowledge. Plus I want to become a better detailer and provide the best service to my customers.
Thanks Richard! What's your favourite video on my channel so far?
Great question. I really have enjoyed all of them to the point I watch some them twice to ensure I didn’t miss anything. But this one was awesome and my favorite. Love the deep dive into graphene.
This was FANTASTIC!!! That chemist knows his stuff and articulates the concepts perfectly with NO BS. Thank you both.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm guessing you are Greek Dimitri? I'm half Greek (born in Canada). My name is Pandelis (people call me Pan). My dad is from Messolonghi!! OPA!
@@PanTheOrganizer Nice! Yes, I am half Greek as well (born in California). My dad is from Velaora, a village near Karpenissi.
Very cool! I was in Cali in August for the Monterey Car Week! I absolutely fell in love with California and its awesome weather! It was a nice 20C (68F) all week while I was there (I hate super hot weather over 30C) and zero rain. A dream place for people who like detailing!
Did you watch my Monterey Car Week experience video? Here: ruclips.net/video/BrFEtB_NcDw/видео.html
@@PanTheOrganizer yes we definitely have some amazing weather, which I think is the main reason it’s such a desirable place to live. Monterey stays cooler than where I am in Los Angeles, but I still love LA and it’s definitely easier to keep your car clean with so little rain. I haven’t watched the Monterey video but I’ll check it out soon!
It was a crazy week with awesome events so you are likely to love the video, especially if you like supercars and hypercars!
Very interesting. Love to hear/see the "behind the curtain" stuff and what goes on and how things happen. Pan - as always, well done! Keep it tight, keep it clean!
Great video, probably the best yet about this subject. Very informative, thank you.
Wow, thanks! I'm always pleased to see that my efforts to come up with new, fresh, educational and entertaining content don't go unnoticed! ;)
Again Pan, another good interview, thank you for your hard work and brining it to us viewers.
Thanks for listening
Video of 2020. Big thank you to you Pan and to Chris at B&B. Super informative and definitely learned a lot. I've just started using Graphene and wanted to learn more. Thank you guys again!
Thanks Richard!
Pan, thank you for that video, very informative .. its just amazing the science going into developing these products.. I'm semi retired and using your knowledge and comparison of products to start me back into the detailing business. Products have changed beyond comparison since I did my time in car repairs some 40 years ago.. Thanks again .. keep up the good work.. Cheers.. Lee (UK)
Thanks Lee! How did you discover my channel?
@@PanTheOrganizer Hi, been following for a while now, think I discovered you through general RUclips searching.. Lee
Pan, fantastic interview. Very informative and educational. Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great video! I’m not a chemist but I really enjoyed the technical explanation of these products. Thank you!
What a great dose of information easy to understand and very relevant to car detailer professionals and new comers. Pan you are to be applauded for what we all learned.
Thanks for the positive feedback Steve! I appreciate it. My goal with my channel is to transmit my passion and knowledge to my audience, so they can go out there and enjoy detailing their cars with all the information and confidence that they need to do a good job.
And to do that, I feel it's my responsibility to make techniques, products, innovation, and information accessible to everyone, in an easy to understand way so people can comprehend how the detailing world evolves and how to evolve our techniques along with it.
The more a person is well informed, the better purchasing decisions they will make and the better they'll be able to perform tasks to detail their own vehicles. :)
Chris Gallahar is awesome great interview view pan! This answered so many of my small questions i had. 👍
What, if any, impact does graphene oxide have on gloss? And gloss retention?
The coating resins, including those containing graphene oxide, will typically continue the trend of a cold, metallic, mirror-type gloss instead of a warm richness that a more natural based wax, such as carnauba, generates. The gloss intensity is often a function of the loading level of the resin(s) within the product and the ability to lay down as much theoretical maximum film thickness as possible. Gloss retention then comes in the form of maintaining that coating film's appearance via self cleaning effects and scratch/mar resistance, which the graphene oxide containing resins seem to be quite sturdy. Hope this helps!
Awsome video. I love that you are focusing on the science behind these products. Maybe a tour of the MFG facilities would be a good video. It would give everyone an inside on what it takes to manufacture all the products we love.
I agree! I would like that too.
Great video Pan! Excellent inside perspective !
Thanks Robert!
This. Was. Awesome!
The brick and mortar analogy is was perfect and made the most sense. I was also curious about the topper need for graphene products. Thank you for getting these great interviews, Pan!
Glad you enjoyed it! How did you discover my channel by the way Erik?
Thank you Pan. Excellent interview content. Brought back fond memories of Organic/Biochemistry labs in college. It makes sense why SiO2 products are acceptable as toppers to maintain the Graphene coating and the importance or paint preparation before protection. 👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
Thanks Al! Yeah it brought memories of my days in university as well!!
Big shout out to you Pan for the awesome interview with Chris!!
I work on quite a few boats. I would love to know how these new sealants and coatings bond to gel coated surfaces and other hard surfaces in general. Whats your take on that after your talk with Chris? Thanks man!
I don’t detail boats unfortunately so I have no opinions on that unfortunately.
I learn more and more with every one of Your videos. This one is like the others, fantastic!!! Thanks for sharing.
Happy to hear that!
@@PanTheOrganizer Keep doing Your thing! There’s a reason that more than a half million people like Your content!!! 😎🏎
Thanks for all the information . Great video
Great video, really appreciate how Chris was transparent and even had the cajones to say that consumers are entitled. This and his technical explanations really shows his knowledge and honesty! B&B blending is definitely something I’m going to look into, great interview pan!
Thanks for the feedback!
I guess using pure graphene is like asking a baker to bake a cake with just eggs. Makes sense! Thanks pan for the technical information on these products.
Thanks JJ! How did you discover my channel by the way?
Welcome to my channel. You discovered one of the biggest car detailing channels on RUclips as we surpassed 840,000 subscribers and 105 million views! I have been detailing for 25 years and I love to share my knowledge and passion with my viewers.
You found the right channel to help you learn everything about detailing.
I'm learning about detailing cars and wanted to learn about today's products. I'd like to start detailing. Out of all the you tubers you were the most informative and from Canada. So you understand Canadian conditions
Awesome session pan,Graphene oxide is real and not just snake oil.I’m more educated now thanks to you.
Thanks for watching Arnel!
Good Information Pan, thank you 👍.
My pleasure!
Hi Pen, love your channel. I've just started a job as a formulator in a car care company in my country and I find this product really interesting!! Any advice to start developing these curing formulations? Thanks a Lot!
Thanks Ivan, but who is Pen? I'm Pan! LOL
wow.awesome episode Pan.great content and video.
Great work Pan. Good Luck 👍
Thank you so much 😀
My 2nd time watching this interview. Think about having the Chemist on yearly because he does convey in a layman’s explanation. He’s relaxed and clear in his communication. Now Pan David was good to but he seemed nervous in the interview. But he know what he’s talking about because he’s the R & D manager. But but when your talking and not stumbling ever so slightly; it conveys doubt/ skepticism to the listener. Lastly Pan I appreciate the time both the Chemist gave us and maybe it had to do with me having a science/ medical background. Thank you always Pan for your channel 🙏🏽🤜🏽
Check out an interview I made with another top chemist in the detailing world: ruclips.net/video/KOHw0bweWEc/видео.html
@@PanTheOrganizer My favorite one was with the Turtle WX Chemist 🤗🤗
Yeah Mike from Turtle Wax has decades of experience, and he is also super passionate about the chemistry!
@@PanTheOrganizer The Company loves and appreciate the way you review products not just theirs but the details you give are so objective.👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. Tell Andy this viewer says hello Pan🫡
Listening to this makes me wonder what's in the world that we haven't even discovered yet. Exciting stuff
Yeah the future of auto detailing is looking bright... and glossy! :)
That was a great informative video.
Nice interaction between you and Chris Pan!
Good job 👌
Thanks! It was a super fun discussion!
Great F'ing video Pan... Love this type of interactions and discussions
Thanks Barry! It's nice to see that you guys appreciate the lengths I go to in order to come up with fresh content all the time. You never know what video you'll find next on the Pan TheOrganizer channel! I always try to educate all while entertaining. :)
Great interview ... Thx a lot to both of you
Pan your starting from scratch. What brand of detail products do you buy? What would be the best website to you find everything in one shot?
I'd pick all the winners in my latest awards video: ruclips.net/video/ULvGi3dbBrA/видео.html
Links always in the description under each video. There is not a single site that has everything I like, so I shop from many different online sources.
Great work Pan, very good questions and interesting theme. Will try to get a graphene infused ceramic coating and try it out. Thanks for your efforts!
Thanks!
Chris mentioned "angles" in beading and sheeting. What does the angle indicate or mean and what angle on the bead or sheet does this refer to? Is it a measurement from the surface panel and water Edge? How is it actually measured? Is there a diagram to explain this? It seemed to me a higher angle like 142 (diamond ProTech) is higher than another at - say 105. What does this angle imply? How is this meaningful? Love the chemical insight.
This is great commentary, thanks for the content!
I enjoy the discussion from the first word to the last.
pan you are really ready to moving this industry forward
Great stuff. Really interesting. Can we get the industry to adopt “standard” accelerated tests to drive a recognised durability rating or index. You can do it Pan!
I grew up with Adam and worked in Colorado helping Adams Polishes move to bigger location and worked with B&B blending in Northglenn... B.B is owned by investors of Adams..... Learned a lot about behind the scenes and how many companies there are... Like Jay Leno and Adams is the same and stoner products are Adams too
Thanks for sharing. How did you discover my channel by the way?
Is there a summary or at least can you overlay the Qs on the video so one can skip to those given the length of the video?
Major kudos and thank you for these two graphene interviews with experts. Super helpful content to better understand. I just got a new car and now I’m much more looking forward to exploring a graphene ceramic coating with one of these companies like Adam’s new line with B&B or 303. Hope the companies realize the branding goodwill this helps to provide.
Thanks! Next, you should watch a recent video I made about the newest Adam’s Advanced Graphene Ceramic Coating: ruclips.net/video/idU5XsHTj7Y/видео.html
Awesome video Pan, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
Man this is gold lol thanks Pan
Thanks P !!
This was absolutely great!
Awesome!
Any health risks or benefits associated with graphene when compared to ceramic. How much is absorved into the body and how does it behave?
Very informative interview! Thanks for sharing the information.
Glad it was helpful!
Love this video Pan. Thanks a lot for helping to inform the consumers. Videos like this really help to eliminate all the confusion surrounding chemistry in the detailing world. A lot of value in this interview. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! How did you discover my channel Reuben?
@@PanTheOrganizer I started my own detailing business last summer and I found your channel on RUclips recommendations one day. It’s been a great resource ever since!
IMHO, graphene is still a buzz word for me, but can’t wait until this gets perfected where graphene is not an additive
What graphene based products have you tested so far?
@@PanTheOrganizer I coated 2 cars this fall, Glassparency Graphene and did another car with Armor Shield 9 , both great to use (thanks to your reviews!). Topped the graphene with Turtle wax. And topped the the Armor Shield with mother’s CMX. Will say am impressed with Glassparency, and very happy with the Armor Shield, however even after watching you, Matt, and Larry, I’m still expecting more from graphene in the years to come that will be even more impressive.
You'd be amazed how Small B&B shop is, Chris is good guy.. I worked with him in 2018
Maybe he’ll read your comment and say hi. What’s your name?