John Fogerty is an original genius and without him the others are nothing. They should be grateful that they were able to be there and make music with him
What you don`t hear Stu Cook talk about is how he and the other members of the band screwed John over and ruined his life while they got rich off of the royalties from the songs that John wrote. They left John dead in the water for many years but he came out on top in the end
Clifford and Cook should do a reality check and give some thought as to how their lives would have played out if they hadn’t hitched a ride on the musical juggernaut that was John Fogerty.
Said by someone who probably hasn't been in a creative band situation themselves. Most musicians I know play music for its own sake, not just to make make money. Stifle that creative/collaborative input, you stifle the musician. Imagine being a painter who's continually being told how/what to paint. Takes all the joy out of it.
If you are in a successful band and one person writes all the hits and sings all the hits, guess what? That person IS the band. Do your job and enjoy the ride.
@@DavidAcevedoAlvaro and they never claimed to be anything more than that. That's the misunderstanding everybody has when slagging Doug and Stu. What they wanted was to have more input. They never thought they were, nor claimed to be John's equal in songwriting and singing, and they never questioned his talent.
thats basically it. the other members of the band demanded greater creative input on ccr's last album, and it sucked. clifford is the nark who told sol zaentz that some of fogerty's new songs were plagiarized from his older ccr work and sparked a very nasty lawsuit for his creative survival. sod these two also-rans.
With all due respect to the band members who obviously contributed the sound of this successful band but John wrote all the successful songs , sang all the lead vocals , and was the lead guitarist. He was the powerhouse in the band ... that's a fact. The last album was proof. This scenario has played out in almost every successful band.
I don't know if they even contributed to the sound of the band. John basically told them what to play, and how to play it. If they did the parts their own way, it may not have worked. John had the vision. They filled out the roles on stage. They learned the parts John wrote, and had a hard time even doing that.
It sucks being the side guys to a successful songwriter and thinking you are as good,it's not that really either, it's whatever works,don't mess with it.
I grew up on CCR. John was the MAN. He wrote, sang, and played lead on all the songs because he was that good. They helped shape the overall band sound, but they got rich because of John.
I think the big problem with CCR was Fogerty didn't have a good supporting cast. Those guys should have awakened every day and thanked their lucky stars that they had John to provide them with classic songs to perform. As a result they didn't maximize their potential.
One could suppose they all had pride and some selfishness. The difference is when there is a talent way taller towering over all the others, he has the qualities to back up that confidence. The others should not delude themselves as being as much as him, but know their place and recognize the unit's leader. Instead these guys turned against the leader and the unit as a whole, and made everyone lose.
@@mattmcclain829 I think they're pretty good..no disrespect to John who I greatly admire. I had the pleasure of seeing him at the 02 in London in 2018
@keithe8449 I'm actually glad that the other musicians had a chance to perform their own songs. Their voices are quite different from John Fogerty, but still very interesting for sure. I wish their management had been more supportive from the start. Perhaps this could've kept the band together longer. I love all of Fogerty's stuff. I've been working on "Joy of My Life" in open G on my resonator guitar. Sweet song!
@@RegisWilkins His solo career went nowhere? "Centerfield" was a million-selling album, with three hit songs, "The Old Man Down The Road," "Rock and Roll Girls," and "Centerfield!" One of his other solo albums won a Grammy. He continues to sell out concerts to this day, playing his solo material and CCR songs.
@@RegisWilkins 1) John played John’s songs. 2) Credence Clearwater Revisited made a career of playing John’s songs. 3) John is still relevant. 4) Without John’s songs they’re not. Similar situation with Grand Funk and Mark Farner. Without the engine in a car it doesn’t go anywhere.
When john did his first solo album the CCR Record company tried to Sue him because it sounded to much like CCR..he said I wrote the CCR songs so obviously i sound like the Band..He won in court.
My all-time favorite group while growing up in the late 60's. Its 2024 and I'm still bummed CCR couldn't have gone on a bit longer. Before he died, Tom Fogerty was asked about John in an interview. His response, "John is a musical genius"...too bad the other three didn't/couldn't want to deal with that. In every team, there needs to be a leader...that was John.
I am the same age as JF and I remember CCR well. The other three members of the band were very good musicians. John Fogerty was one of few creative geniuses. I have heard this same member say, "John was like someone on a baseball team that wanted to play all positions." That is because he knew how all the positions should be played. The album Mardi Gras was a "democratic album." It was terrible.
It is easy to disregard Stu and Doug. That approach is lacking. They were a well competent rhythm section. John Fogerty is an egomaniac and he lacks class. Life is a good deal more than relentlessly insisting upon being adored as Mr. Number One with all of the control. John's personality deficiencies do, in fact, considerably diminish his pop music credentials.
If John Was CCR why didn’t he continue the success alone as he did with the other bandmates? Plus his own brother got sick of his controlling ways and left the band That has to say something about John
@@misterbuttersworth9904He got stuck in emotionally draining legal and financial battles caused by the other boys. But he did do some new stuff and did not fade away.
Stu and Doug are good musicians, not good songwriters,or singers? There are many good players but not many people can write songs that are instant classics, John Fogerty had this skill, and a unique voice. John would have probably would have been successful with out CCR, Stu and Doug, probably never would have made it in music, with out John
Actually, after CCR, Stu & Doug didn't make it in music, other than to put together a CCR cover band, playing songs that JF wrote. I also don't like that the narration of this video seems to somewhat blame JF for the bands downfall, as if everything that went wrong was JF fault.
The band says John was a taskmaster and a big meanie and an ego maniac. John says the band was lazy, had big egos and were more interested in partying and being rockstars than they were doing what it took to maintain that lifestyle. John has had a slew of hits since CCR not one of his band members even did something of note with another band. Nothing, zero, nada, zilch. At all, at all, at all. Who's story sounds more believable.
Actually, Im pretty sure I read that John didn't make more money than the others everything was share evenly. It was Fantasy records that made the big bucks
And they made money from the performance royalties - John also received publishing royalties or should have naturally but was screwed by his management
So, OK, then he gets the reputation of being an egomaniac. Wanna go down the list of bands that the main creative person in it didn't act like that and was thankful him and his friends were having a good time in life doing what they wanted? I've been around way too many John Fogarty's in life to praise him just because he was their principal songwriter, a jerk is a jerk, and like him they typically ruin everything for everyone around them.
There has to be a "leader". John was that man. A great band of 4 guys. Too bad for the discontent. One additional comment, Doug Clifford had the "most unique" drum rolls and timed cymbal crashes that made John's songs even better. I love the way Doug played the drums and his rolls and timing. CCR, a real favorite.
Very similar to the story of John Kay and Steppenwolf, both "Johns" were the lead singers and leaders, both took control and tried to keep things afloat and going in the right direction and both at times were criticized by people as being "overbearing" and "control freaks". With Steppenwolf and their many personnel changes Kay said "I'm not going back to starving because of someone's immaturity" when a band member was let go. I guess you had to be in their shoes to understand why they did what they did and felt that they had to do.
It,s sad that jealousy can be the straw that broke the camels back ,as I see it they should have just been happy to be a part of John's talent and in this great band and kept on choglin, but at least we still have the front man John Fogerty to this very day , and that's a blessing we can all appreciate, 👍
@@ginajennings1664 amen. "i love john fogerty!" is all i have to say on the matter myself...to a lesser but real extent, i enjoyed stu cook's playing on those classic recordings.
What Stu doesn't tell anyone is they were a great band when John had the control. When John finally let them have some creative control, the band tanked. Stu and Doug had no one to blame but themselves. The only thing John was ever guilty of is being a perfectionist. He played his music well.
Yep! There are three sides to every story, and here we are only getting one side. John Fogerty is a musical force of nature. He plays a very solid guitar with leads while singing his butt off with a very iconic and legendary voice. I believe someone with the skills as John Fogerty has every right to be the one in control, because John was the key member of CCR. No John, no CCR. No Tom, no Stu, and no Doug would have never affected CCR. John's solo live album Premonition sold 600,000 copies upon its release in 1998, not counting sales after 1998. That sales number says a lot about how much John is CCR and how much the others were not crucial to CCR. I bought it around the year 2001 and loved that CD!
Yes John was who and what made CCR popular and famous, too bad they couldn’t be happy that their band and music was so successful. Without John Fogerty they would have never been known.
What sealed the total dissension between John fogerty and stu cook is when John refused to perform with Clifford and cook at the rock and roll hall of fame presentation, he used an all star band instead to perform some of their songs, and cook and clifford walked out during his performance, after they had accepted their nominations, John had stated that he and cook had a conversation in which he claimed that cook told him , that he didn't care about the music , he only cared about the money, knowing how John feels about the creativity of his music, cook owes John an apology about that remark, before any chance of real communication can begin , it might simply be too late now..
Cook doesn't owe Fogerty a goddamned thing. John was beneath contempt to do what he did that night. The only one onstage with Fogerty in the performance who apologized to Cook and Clifford was Springsteen. Cook and Clifford did their part to put out those hits. They earned that moment, and Fogerty's ego ruined it.
@@EasyG24Cook doesn’t owe Fogerty a Gd, thing? That is the “understatement” of the year! Cook owes everything he’s got to John Fogerty! Stu Cook didn’t have any creative process & was nothing more than adequate bass player that flourished under John Fogerty’s leadership! Also if Cook could not lay down the bass line John wanted, John would overdub it himself!
@@davidkirkham6497think of Jimi Hendrix and Noel Redding and Drummer.. When Jimi split they tried to perform as the Jimi Hendrix Experience with a replacement Guitarist..never worked..
@@davidkirkham6497 Cook and Clifford long since acknowledged their debt to Fogerty. In public and in private. They have never denied what he meant to the success of the band, and they've never downplayed it. That's what everyone who's a sycophant of Fogerty's misses. The bit about the bass lines being redubbed is a shining example of Fogerty being a control freak. He didn't work with Cook to redo it, he just canceled out Cook's effort and redid it. There you have it. That not leadership, that's control. There's a large difference. Interesting that he never had a problem with what happened onstage where he didn't have a chance to redo anyone's parts.
@@Nedley1 You’re wrong! John produced all their music! It was his job to make the songs as could as they could, be! How do you know what Cook has stated to John, privately? Your like a lot of other “jerks” on here who think they know what their talking, about!
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John created a platform the other band members could use to showcase their musical genius. We have waited decades and all that is visible is their revisitation to John's music. And they still don't get it. The magic bus that delivers hit songs doesn't have a schedule or route. If you can get on board, sit down and enjoy the ride. John was the only member with a ticket, they were his luggage. Their time on the bus was a gift from John. It took John fifteen minutes to replace them with better players.
Think the friction really started when CCR were still together, with Tom Fogerty (Who started the group) becoming increasingly resentful of his younger brother John, whose leadership of the group, as well as songwriting, gave the group its greatest success. How well did Tom Fogerty's solo career turn out? There are always multiple sides to any band's story. Think this is just sour grapes on Stu's part, along with Doug and the late Tom.
Tom Fogerty didn’t start the, group! John Fogerty, Doug Clifford were the originals! Very quickly they took on, Stu Cook! They played as an instrumental trio for a number of years & then took on Tom Fogerty as a singer!
i really like ccr and john fogarty. their music over the span of a lifetime has been beautiful and strong! you know that few people are perfect and so it is with life. i think that johns quest for that perfection was stifling the other members for sure and out of that grew resentment and revenge. its always easy to pass certain judgments from the comfort and safety of our historical advantage. absolute power corrupts absolutely. my best to all, always😊😊😊😊😊😊
how about the one where they tried to sue John Fogerty for sounding like CCR. Or how the Credence Clearwater Revisited only plays John Fogerty CCR. songs
@@bobbrinkerhoff3592 by them having to have a tribute band with the guy they double-crossed songs just reinforces where the success came from in the original act.
John Fogerty is CCR just as Mark Farner is Grand Funk Railroad. Without them they're just cover bands playing the hits that John and Mark wrote. Like Journey and their Karaoke singer doing all of Steve Perry's songs note for note.
Amazing how many people stand by John. There are many people in the music business that are considered geniuses, but it doesn't mean you have to be a jerk. That is the one thing that John was truly great at.
You are wrong. The heart of CCR was JF. The others were just back musicians PLAYING JF songs. Duhh ! JF should have told them go create your own music in 1969, not 1972.
@@NavyVetJack Not a jerk, but the manager, first quitar, first voice, first arranger, first composer too. Specially Stu Cook, they were just jealous conspirators..
john was a genius. But, like many a genius, he was also a egomaniac. Most people that defend John don't seem to know the backstory. Before the band was renamed Creedence Clearwater Revival they were known as the Golliwogs. As the Golliwogs, Tom and John shared lead vocals. As CCR, John cut Tom from doing lead vocals. This contributed to their success but also guaranteed the breakup of the group. It's unfortunate that John alienated EVERY member of the band. That speaks volumes about who was the culprit. To this day he blames everyone but himself. He is a great artist and I have everyone of his albums. But, I also recognize his flaws.
I realize John is the main essence,heart of soul of ccr and beyond,this being the powerhouse to promote success,but sometimes the way you get things done can step on some toes.Wasnt there and can't judge anyone but sometimes making a point can cost people a lot.But,that being said,it points out how people have a major need to be acknowledged which demands attention whatever the cost.Hope these guys can just clean their own side of the street and maybe even make a little noise.
Fogerty isn't without blame, he should have recognized that he needed them as much as they needed him and been a bit more flexible on some things. Then they could have stayed intact and who knows what more great songs he would have written on into the 70's.
CCR would never gotten anywhere if John didn't take over the reins and write the songs and have a vision for success. I'm sure he was unbearable at times, it's like that in bands especially when you have a visionary like John, but Tom, Stu and Doug would've been working straight jobs if not for John. They were playing in the big leagues and not a high school band anymore. They could've kept their comradery and stayed a bar band or let John fulfill his vision and have massive success, choose one fellas.
Without John Fogerty and his amazing songs, this band would have amounted to NOTHING!!! Doug and Stu should get down on their knees in prayer, every day, for meeting and playing with John Fogerty!!! They would not be known or rich without John Fogerty, PERIOD!!! Stop the whining, Doug and Stu!!!
The day in 1968 when John showed "Proud Mary" to the band was the day the other three should have replied, "Wow, John. What else you got?" When that question was answered in the months ahead by such stellar material as "Born on the Bayou," "Bad Moon Rising," "Lodi," "Green River," "Down on the Corner," "Fortunate Son," "Up Around the Bend," and on and on, Tom, Stu, and Doug should have realized that they were in the presence of a true musical genius, a Golden Goose, a one-in-a-million. Did they honestly think they could write songs as good or sing them with as much power and soul as John? Yes, John's perfectionism was undoubtedly hard to deal with, but when you consider the results, the others should have quit their griping, thanked their lucky stars -- and convinced Fantasy Records to let them release their own solo albums if they had so much to contribute, which, as "Mardi Gras" revealed, they didn't.
The only member of this band that mattered was obviously John Fogerty. John Fogerty WAS Credence. He alone had the vision, wrote all the tunes played lead guitar and sang lead vocals. The other members were really irrelevant and could be easily be replaced by anybody. They were just along for the ride and fully enjoying it. So who really cares about what Stu or the rest of the band says. They betrayed and backstabbed John out of pure jealousy. But as destructive as they were to John, that was nothing next to what Saul Zantz did to John Fogerty. John was just a creative kid at the time who knew exactly nothing about business. Saul Zantz however was as shrewd a businessman as they come. He saw a gold mine and wanted to completely control it and he did. He paid for all their recordings and bought them dinner at the finest restaurants in San Francisco. This kind of treatment made John feel at ease and build a trust for Zantz. From what I understand one day at the studio Zantz walked in and asked the guys to sign a piece of paper, John and the boys said sure Uncle Saul. That signed document designated Zantz as Executive Producer and from that moment on Saul Zantz became 100% owner of the band and its music.
Friendships seldom survive when money and business are involved . Hurt feelings and perceived slights get in the way and make doing anything more difficult. We see this alot in highly successful bands .
Without John, there would be no CCR. They have woiuls have been forgotten as the Gollywogs or Tommy Fogerty and the Blue Velvets. They owe John for the things they have and forever being one of the greatest bands in history.
Cook and Clifford were part of the problem, it seems to me? Me a guy that's in his late 60's that lived the CCR music sound track of my life, Be thankful not resentful. Get over it and turn the page and give John thanks for the ride and your personal financial success.. John is and always was the best part of CCR..
The first couple of CCRv shows I saw they did thank John for writing this incredible music. These guys weren't blind to the realities, despite what all of John sycophants on here want to believe. They knew where this all came from, but they also knew they were part of the effort to put it all out there. It could've been others, maybe, but it wasn't. It was them. They earned some credit for what they did.
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They were in fact sessions players . Nothing personal about that, just facts
No... They were a band... John fogerty admits to being a dick to everybody... Took him a lot of years in therapy to figure that out
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@@jbramblett He may needed therapy to deal with having his songs stolen from him, having former members use songs that he wrote and go out touring under a band name that he formed. The sold him out for pennies on the dollar. John is sane, still touring and sounds great for his age. The former band members are ate up with jealousy
I met Stu and Doug when they were doing the Revisited thing. They were both pretty nice guys, especially Doug. Talking about the issue with John, Stu was like Meh, it is what it is. Doug felt some regret, saying they probably took things too far. Elliot Easton from The Cars was guitarist at the time. He was a nice guy, we talked about his gear. The singer was John Tristao. He sounded just like John and played keyboards.
This article does not have the facts straight. Without John Fogarty, there was no Creedence Clearwater Revival number one hits or any quality songs whatsoever. Stu Cook & Doug Clifford were the ones that demanded they have a part in contributing songs. Read John Foger's book there you will find the truth. I followed Stu and Doug, following the breakup of CCR and even saw one of the first shows they did as Creedence Clearwater revisited in Las Vegas. Cook and Clifford sold out to the record company. End of story.
John has been, was, is and will be always the soul of CCR. He is the singer, the one who make all the best songs, the talented one who make CCR what is CCR. The only thing missing to john after CCR was the finest and special way to play about the others musicians....without others musicians, CCR don't sound the same infortunately...but it sounds enough well to be played in public. Money is evil, and destroy humanity, man vs man, woman vs woman......
John was a hard bastard but don't think Prince or any of those cats were any different. The artists with that much talent and vision can be taskmasters and you either sign on or you don't - there's rarely a middle ground. John's myopic view of his career meant he missed stuff like whether contract was a good one or the value of his band. The music is unbelievable. Benchmark writing and production. It's a shame people got hurt in the process but rock 'n roll can be a brutal game.
No mention of Saul, the man that screwed them all out of royalties and rights to their songs. Dirty business is what the music industry had become at that time. Thankfully John got the right to take back all of the songs he had wrote for them a few years back.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Sometimes you have to just shut up and play and reap the benefits. I was in a small band with an overbearing leader. But that was the key to our success.
Your video lacks serious context! Either that or you don’t know the actual history of how this animosity started! It was the band, especially Tom his brother who quit first, they rather than show appreciation for John’s music, became jealous. Soon, it was 3 against one, and nowhere in this video do you bring up this truth! That’s what began to tear them apart and poor John has never understood why they responded they way. Last, the actions of Cook & Clifford against John in court speak volumes! However, this video makes it look like John was the one suing the others first! You should call this video, ‘Creedence Clearwater Rewritten.
I saw a video next flex on Netflix and Doug in that interview he said that John has a brain in good ways and that was true cause all the songs that he wrote l love it the sound of his voice
It is a shame that great groups get into these ego clashes. John's songs were classics. "Mardigras" was a fine album, whether commercially successful or otherwise. The cause of music and art would benefit from more mutual respect and less feuding.
Clearly, John was the created force behind CCR. When it came to the music, they should've just followed his lead. But... (there's always a "but", isn't there?) Was it necessary for him to rub it in? Did he have to make all the decisions, including the non-musical ones? Leadership is a complicated role. It's hard to know how much control is too much. A smart leader can lead in a way that makes his followers feel part of the the team, even if he or she steers the ship where it's supposed to go. Having said that, the rest of CCR were average musicians at best. They could've easily been replaced. It's sad to see the members of a successful band tear each other apart.
Stu Cook was happy making money and partying while John wrote and produced their music. I'm sure he had some points regarding John's perfection seeking attitude, but they sure didn't leave while he was in the midst of this amazing creative phase.
Well hate to say it but John was the master force behind that band he was the magic, he finally gave them a chance an they couldn't do it, not everyone has his talent, that simple,
John was the absolute genius behind CCR's success. He was THE songwriter, lead singer, lead guitarrist, arranger and producer. Yeah, unfortunately he wasn't a great manager nor business man, he absolutely wasn't suited for that kind of job. Stu, Doug and Tom complained about him being a tyrant, but hadn't he pushed them to rehearse exhaustively they wouldn't have gone anywhere. He told them what to play and how to play, that's why they usually spent a couple of hours recording at the studio cause John made them rehearse non-stop, only a few takes were recorded and it was done. Afterwards John would add overdubs.
John Fogerty is an original genius and without him the others are nothing. They should be grateful that they were able to be there and make music with him
I thought the very same thing.
True.
What you don`t hear Stu Cook talk about is how he and the other members of the band screwed John over and ruined his life while they got rich off of the royalties from the songs that John wrote. They left John dead in the water for many years but he came out on top in the end
I must agree with your assessment of this tragic happenstance that shut down a great band and put no one on top.
Read John's autobiography. The guy was obsessed with sol zaentz of fantasy records, ripping him off. He came off as a real unhappy person.
@davemitchell-q3j What about all the money John lost the band thru his dumbass decisions? Nobody wants to talk about that, yet it happened.
@@MetFan37what did John do wrong?
@@MetFan37What “dumbass” decisions did John make regarding the bands, money?
Clifford and Cook should do a reality check and give some thought as to how their lives would have played out if they hadn’t hitched a ride on the musical juggernaut that was John Fogerty.
Well him and Doug did have their band Clear Water Recycled a bit watered down but when your playing 2nd 3rd and 4th fiddle well say no more
It doesn't make John any less of a jerk.
@@donjennings9034 not sure much could
@@gary36104 actually saw them 20 ish years ago, all legal and other wrangling aside was a decent show.
Said by someone who probably hasn't been in a creative band situation themselves. Most musicians I know play music for its own sake, not just to make make money. Stifle that creative/collaborative input, you stifle the musician. Imagine being a painter who's continually being told how/what to paint. Takes all the joy out of it.
If you are in a successful band and one person writes all the hits and sings all the hits, guess what? That person IS the band. Do your job and enjoy the ride.
Still waiting to hear Stu or Doug's first Top 40 Hitbound single...
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You only have to listen to Mardi Gras and it all will be very clear. They were a kickass rhythm section but that was it
@@DavidAcevedoAlvaro and they never claimed to be anything more than that. That's the misunderstanding everybody has when slagging Doug and Stu. What they wanted was to have more input. They never thought they were, nor claimed to be John's equal in songwriting and singing, and they never questioned his talent.
thats basically it. the other members of the band demanded greater creative input on ccr's last album, and it sucked. clifford is the nark who told sol zaentz that some of fogerty's new songs were plagiarized from his older ccr work and sparked a very nasty lawsuit for his creative survival. sod these two also-rans.
@@roydownes2458 where did you hear/read that Clifford was the "nark?"
With all due respect to the band members who obviously contributed the sound of this successful band but John wrote all the successful songs , sang all the lead vocals , and was the lead guitarist. He was the powerhouse in the band ... that's a fact. The last album was proof. This scenario has played out in almost every successful band.
I don't know if they even contributed to the sound of the band. John basically told them what to play, and how to play it. If they did the parts their own way, it may not have worked. John had the vision. They filled out the roles on stage. They learned the parts John wrote, and had a hard time even doing that.
It sucks being the side guys to a successful songwriter and thinking you are as good,it's not that really either, it's whatever works,don't mess with it.
And the other guys never argued with that.
I grew up on CCR. John was the MAN. He wrote, sang, and played lead on all the songs because he was that good. They helped shape the overall band sound, but they got rich because of John.
John's control was the reason why CCR was great. If John never stepped up, we would never have heard of CCR!
or just the way we heared on Mardi grass
I can see a songwriter wanting his songs presented the way he envisioned it.
I think the big problem with CCR was Fogerty didn't have a good supporting cast. Those guys should have awakened every day and thanked their lucky stars that they had John to provide them with classic songs to perform. As a result they didn't maximize their potential.
Well said.
One could suppose they all had pride and some selfishness. The difference is when there is a talent way taller towering over all the others, he has the qualities to back up that confidence. The others should not delude themselves as being as much as him, but know their place and recognize the unit's leader. Instead these guys turned against the leader and the unit as a whole, and made everyone lose.
John had the creativity & energy to drive the CCR bus.
What hits did Stu or Doug write?
John gave them the chance to write songs on the last CCR album, and they weren't that good.
"Tearing Up the Country" and "Take it Like a Friend" are not exactly top shelf material. 😂
@@mattmcclain829
I think they're pretty good..no disrespect to John who I greatly admire.
I had the pleasure of seeing him at the 02 in London in 2018
@keithe8449
I'm actually glad that the other musicians had a chance to perform their own songs. Their voices are quite different from John Fogerty, but still very interesting for sure. I wish their management had been more supportive from the start. Perhaps this could've kept the band together longer.
I love all of Fogerty's stuff. I've been working on "Joy of My Life" in open G on my resonator guitar. Sweet song!
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Because CCR had a Blues & Roots base many of their songs in standard tuning readily translate to Open G
John WAS CCR. He had the right to make decisions. John was successful without CCR. Where are the other members of CCR?
How was he successful without CCR. Fogerty's solo career went nowhere. Tell me your favorite John Fogerty albums, genius. He stiffed.
@@RegisWilkins His solo career went nowhere? "Centerfield" was a million-selling album, with three hit songs, "The Old Man Down The Road," "Rock and Roll Girls," and "Centerfield!" One of his other solo albums won a Grammy. He continues to sell out concerts to this day, playing his solo material and CCR songs.
@@RegisWilkins
1) John played John’s songs.
2) Credence Clearwater Revisited made a career of playing John’s songs.
3) John is still relevant.
4) Without John’s songs they’re not.
Similar situation with Grand Funk and Mark Farner. Without the engine in a car it doesn’t go anywhere.
John Fogarty was CCR. Be thankful he let you ride his coat tail
When john did his first solo album the CCR Record company tried to Sue him because it sounded to much like CCR..he said I wrote the CCR songs so obviously i sound like the Band..He won in court.
My all-time favorite group while growing up in the late 60's. Its 2024 and I'm still bummed CCR couldn't have gone on a bit longer. Before he died, Tom Fogerty was asked about John in an interview. His response, "John is a musical genius"...too bad the other three didn't/couldn't want to deal with that. In every team, there needs to be a leader...that was John.
I am the same age as JF and I remember CCR well. The other three members of the band were very good musicians. John Fogerty was one of few creative geniuses. I have heard this same member say, "John was like someone on a baseball team that wanted to play all positions." That is because he knew how all the positions should be played. The album Mardi Gras was a "democratic album." It was terrible.
R.R very well said !!!!
The other 3 were average pub musicians.
John made the music.
Without him there would have been no CCR.
Johns songs are like his babies! He will protect them with his life! And that’s how it should be! They haven’t produced anything like he has!😢
when john gave in and let stu and doug sing and write songs WE GOT MARDI GRAS. someone once said, if it aint broken dont try and fix it.
John is the band.The 3 others were replacable, cold have been anyone.
Actually, they have been replaced from the moment John decided to start singing the songs he wrote for the band again. CCR sound remained all along.
It is easy to disregard Stu and Doug. That approach is lacking. They were a well competent rhythm section. John Fogerty is an egomaniac and he lacks class. Life is a good deal more than relentlessly insisting upon being adored as Mr. Number One with all of the control. John's personality deficiencies do, in fact, considerably diminish his pop music credentials.
@@stevebrothers9470 Boo on you!
If John Was CCR why didn’t he continue the success alone as he did with the other bandmates?
Plus his own brother got sick of his controlling ways and left the band
That has to say something about John
@@misterbuttersworth9904He got stuck in emotionally draining legal and financial battles caused by the other boys. But he did do some new stuff and did not fade away.
Stu and Doug are good musicians, not good songwriters,or singers? There are many good players but not many people can write songs that are instant classics, John Fogerty had this skill, and a unique voice. John would have probably would have been successful with out CCR, Stu and Doug, probably never would have made it in music, with out John
Actually, after CCR, Stu & Doug didn't make it in music, other than to put together a CCR cover band, playing songs that JF wrote. I also don't like that the narration of this video seems to somewhat blame JF for the bands downfall, as if everything that went wrong was JF fault.
Just listen to the Mardi Grass album . The only good song is written by ….John ! Someday never comes .
The band says John was a taskmaster and a big meanie and an ego maniac. John says the band was lazy, had big egos and were more interested in partying and being rockstars than they were doing what it took to maintain that lifestyle.
John has had a slew of hits since CCR not one of his band members even did something of note with another band. Nothing, zero, nada, zilch. At all, at all, at all.
Who's story sounds more believable.
Had John Fogerty replaced Stu Cook and Doug Clifford with studio musicians nobody would have known the difference !
I’m afraid EVERYONE would have known the difference, since Cook and Clifford were mediocre at best.
John was Credence . The others should be thankful to John for their time in the spotlight.
John was the leader, the songwriter. He was the talented one. They were jealous that John was getting more money from the records.
Actually, Im pretty sure I read that John didn't make more money than the others everything was share evenly.
It was Fantasy records that made the big bucks
@@enyawekrub Zanz can’t dance !
He wouldn’t get ….nothing for a milestone album like ‘Chronicles’ which sold millions of times ever since
And they made money from the performance royalties - John also received publishing royalties or should have naturally but was screwed by his management
So, OK, then he gets the reputation of being an egomaniac.
Wanna go down the list of bands that the main creative person in it didn't act like that and was thankful him and his friends were having a good time in life doing what they wanted?
I've been around way too many John Fogarty's in life to praise him just because he was their principal songwriter, a jerk is a jerk, and like him they typically ruin everything for everyone around them.
I saw John for the first time this summer. He was great and he was sooo happy he got his songs back and I was happy for him
There has to be a "leader". John was that man. A great band of 4 guys. Too bad
for the discontent. One additional comment, Doug Clifford had the "most unique"
drum rolls and timed cymbal crashes that made John's songs even better. I love
the way Doug played the drums and his rolls and timing. CCR, a real favorite.
Bottom line the others could not write a good song. That's why they should have shut up and followed suit! If it's not broke don't fix it!
But it was broke. That's why they broke up. 😂
@@whowahskaonly because stu and Doug broke it
@@fretman40 I probably woulda' quit too. Too much like boot camp.
Very similar to the story of John Kay and Steppenwolf, both "Johns" were the lead singers and leaders, both took control and tried to keep things afloat and going in the right direction and both at times were criticized by people as being "overbearing" and "control freaks". With Steppenwolf and their many personnel changes Kay said "I'm not going back to starving because of someone's immaturity" when a band member was let go. I guess you had to be in their shoes to understand why they did what they did and felt that they had to do.
It,s sad that jealousy can be the straw that broke the camels back ,as I see it they should have just been happy to be a part of John's talent and in this great band and kept on choglin, but at least we still have the front man John Fogerty to this very day , and that's a blessing we can all appreciate, 👍
I love John Fogerty.
no one cares
@@waldoskiarriagadovitch6740 you cared enough to reply.
@@ginajennings1664 amen. "i love john fogerty!" is all i have to say on the matter myself...to a lesser but real extent, i enjoyed stu cook's playing on those classic recordings.
What Stu doesn't tell anyone is they were a great band when John had the control. When John finally let them have some creative control, the band tanked. Stu and Doug had no one to blame but themselves. The only thing John was ever guilty of is being a perfectionist. He played his music well.
Yep! There are three sides to every story, and here we are only getting one side. John Fogerty is a musical force of nature. He plays a very solid guitar with leads while singing his butt off with a very iconic and legendary voice. I believe someone with the skills as John Fogerty has every right to be the one in control, because John was the key member of CCR. No John, no CCR. No Tom, no Stu, and no Doug would have never affected CCR. John's solo live album Premonition sold 600,000 copies upon its release in 1998, not counting sales after 1998. That sales number says a lot about how much John is CCR and how much the others were not crucial to CCR. I bought it around the year 2001 and loved that CD!
Yes John was who and what made CCR popular and famous, too bad they couldn’t be happy that their band and music was so successful. Without John Fogerty they would have never been known.
What sealed the total dissension between John fogerty and stu cook is when John refused to perform with Clifford and cook at the rock and roll hall of fame presentation, he used an all star band instead to perform some of their songs, and cook and clifford walked out during his performance, after they had accepted their nominations, John had stated that he and cook had a conversation in which he claimed that cook told him , that he didn't care about the music , he only cared about the money, knowing how John feels about the creativity of his music, cook owes John an apology about that remark, before any chance of real communication can begin , it might simply be too late now..
Cook doesn't owe Fogerty a goddamned thing. John was beneath contempt to do what he did that night. The only one onstage with Fogerty in the performance who apologized to Cook and Clifford was Springsteen. Cook and Clifford did their part to put out those hits. They earned that moment, and Fogerty's ego ruined it.
@@EasyG24Cook doesn’t owe Fogerty a Gd, thing? That is the “understatement” of the year! Cook owes everything he’s got to John Fogerty! Stu Cook didn’t have any creative process & was nothing more than adequate bass player that flourished under John Fogerty’s leadership! Also if Cook could not lay down the bass line John wanted, John would overdub it himself!
@@davidkirkham6497think of Jimi Hendrix and Noel Redding and Drummer.. When Jimi split they tried to perform as the Jimi Hendrix Experience with a replacement Guitarist..never worked..
@@davidkirkham6497 Cook and Clifford long since acknowledged their debt to Fogerty. In public and in private. They have never denied what he meant to the success of the band, and they've never downplayed it. That's what everyone who's a sycophant of Fogerty's misses. The bit about the bass lines being redubbed is a shining example of Fogerty being a control freak. He didn't work with Cook to redo it, he just canceled out Cook's effort and redid it. There you have it. That not leadership, that's control. There's a large difference. Interesting that he never had a problem with what happened onstage where he didn't have a chance to redo anyone's parts.
@@Nedley1 You’re wrong! John produced all their music! It was his job to make the songs as could as they could, be! How do you know what Cook has stated to John, privately? Your like a lot of other “jerks” on here who think they know what their talking, about!
John created a platform the other band members could use to showcase their musical genius. We have waited decades and all that is visible is their revisitation to John's music. And they still don't get it. The magic bus that delivers hit songs doesn't have a schedule or route. If you can get on board, sit down and enjoy the ride. John was the only member with a ticket, they were his luggage. Their time on the bus was a gift from John. It took John fifteen minutes to replace them with better players.
Think the friction really started when CCR were still together, with Tom Fogerty (Who started the group) becoming increasingly resentful of his younger brother John, whose leadership of the group, as well as songwriting, gave the group its greatest success. How well did Tom Fogerty's solo career turn out? There are always multiple sides to any band's story. Think this is just sour grapes on Stu's part, along with Doug and the late Tom.
Tom Fogerty didn’t start the, group! John Fogerty, Doug Clifford were the originals! Very quickly they took on, Stu Cook! They played as an instrumental trio for a number of years & then took on Tom Fogerty as a singer!
i really like ccr and john fogarty. their music over the span of a lifetime has been beautiful and strong! you know that few people are perfect and so it is with life. i think that johns quest for that perfection was stifling the other members for sure and out of that grew resentment and revenge. its always easy to pass certain judgments from the comfort and safety of our historical advantage. absolute power corrupts absolutely. my best to all, always😊😊😊😊😊😊
John Fogerty was the entire band. They should appreciate what they got out of it.
how about the one where they tried to sue John Fogerty for sounding like CCR. Or how the Credence Clearwater Revisited only plays John Fogerty CCR. songs
How could you miss the obvious point that Creedence Revisited is a tribute band ? Of course they're going to play CCR songs .
As I understand it, that lawsuit was Fantasy Records’ Saul Zaentz, not Cook and Clifford.
@left0verture that is the way I had heard it also .
SPOT ON and so CORRECT!
@@bobbrinkerhoff3592 by them having to have a tribute band with the guy they double-crossed songs just reinforces where the success came from in the original act.
John Fogerty is CCR just as Mark Farner is Grand Funk Railroad. Without them they're just cover bands playing the hits that John and Mark wrote. Like Journey and their Karaoke singer doing all of Steve Perry's songs note for note.
Amazing how many people stand by John. There are many people in the music business that are considered geniuses, but it doesn't mean you have to be a jerk. That is the one thing that John was truly great at.
I’m curious, I don’t know a lot of details about the feud. What are some of the things that John did that made him great at being a jerk?
You are wrong. The heart of CCR was JF. The others were just back musicians PLAYING JF songs. Duhh ! JF should have told them go create your own music in 1969, not 1972.
@@NavyVetJack Not a jerk, but the manager, first quitar, first voice, first arranger, first composer too. Specially Stu Cook, they were just jealous conspirators..
Sorry, libbycyborg, but John MADE the band what it was. WAKE UP!
Donjennings:: I am waiting, too!
I saw John & his son playing in the casino. VERY GOOD
John was CCR. The other three could have been studio musicians and nobody would have cared.
The machine automated voiceover narration is hilariously bad.
🐠 ist. 😂
Ha! "Mardi Grass"????
john was a genius. But, like many a genius, he was also a egomaniac. Most people that defend John don't seem to know the backstory. Before the band was renamed Creedence Clearwater Revival they were known as the Golliwogs. As the Golliwogs, Tom and John shared lead vocals. As CCR, John cut Tom from doing lead vocals. This contributed to their success but also guaranteed the breakup of the group. It's unfortunate that John alienated EVERY member of the band. That speaks volumes about who was the culprit. To this day he blames everyone but himself. He is a great artist and I have everyone of his albums. But, I also recognize his flaws.
I realize John is the main essence,heart of soul of ccr and beyond,this being the powerhouse to promote success,but sometimes the way you get things done can step on some toes.Wasnt there and can't judge anyone but sometimes making a point can cost people a lot.But,that being said,it points out how people have a major need to be acknowledged which demands attention whatever the cost.Hope these guys can just clean their own side of the street and maybe even make a little noise.
Fogerty isn't without blame, he should have recognized that he needed them as much as they needed him and been a bit more flexible on some things. Then they could have stayed intact and who knows what more great songs he would have written on into the 70's.
All of them could have easily been replaced.
CCR would never gotten anywhere if John didn't take over the reins and write the songs and have a vision for success. I'm sure he was unbearable at times, it's like that in bands especially when you have a visionary like John, but Tom, Stu and Doug would've been working straight jobs if not for John. They were playing in the big leagues and not a high school band anymore. They could've kept their comradery and stayed a bar band or let John fulfill his vision and have massive success, choose one fellas.
Stu Cook & Doug are still living on Royalties from John's writing. Ask them how Mardi
Gras Sold.
Without John Fogerty the other musicians are of lesser importance to say the least . John Fogerty was the main man !
John Fogerty was CCR....the other guys were all replaceable. John wasn't demanding, he was just clear headed and sober throughout their heyday.
John Fogerty,, you are the man,, you are the one and only..
Stu and Doug were the best rhythm section John ever had. Their sound is never duplicated. What a pity they disbanded😢
One of the greatest rock n roll bands in history.
They were hot and then they were not..John was the band..
@@normastanley5853 Agreed ,John was a genius.
Without John Fogerty and his amazing songs, this band would have amounted to NOTHING!!! Doug and Stu should get down on their knees in prayer, every day, for meeting and playing with John Fogerty!!! They would not be known or rich without John Fogerty, PERIOD!!! Stop the whining, Doug and Stu!!!
John Fogerty WAS CCR. Who cares that they fell apart? The music they left us will live forever.
The rhythm section of CCR was the heart and soul of the band's groove. I cite Mardi Gras and John's solo work as evidence.
The day in 1968 when John showed "Proud Mary" to the band was the day the other three should have replied, "Wow, John. What else you got?"
When that question was answered in the months ahead by such stellar material as "Born on the Bayou," "Bad Moon Rising," "Lodi," "Green River," "Down on the Corner," "Fortunate Son," "Up Around the Bend," and on and on, Tom, Stu, and Doug should have realized that they were in the presence of a true musical genius, a Golden Goose, a one-in-a-million.
Did they honestly think they could write songs as good or sing them with as much power and soul as John?
Yes, John's perfectionism was undoubtedly hard to deal with, but when you consider the results, the others should have quit their griping, thanked their lucky stars -- and convinced Fantasy Records to let them release their own solo albums if they had so much to contribute, which, as "Mardi Gras" revealed, they didn't.
The only member of this band that mattered was obviously John Fogerty. John Fogerty WAS Credence. He alone had the vision, wrote all the tunes played lead guitar and sang lead vocals. The other members were really irrelevant and could be easily be replaced by anybody. They were just along for the ride and fully enjoying it. So who really cares about what Stu or the rest of the band says. They betrayed and backstabbed John out of pure jealousy. But as destructive as they were to John, that was nothing next to what Saul Zantz did to John Fogerty. John was just a creative kid at the time who knew exactly nothing about business. Saul Zantz however was as shrewd a businessman as they come. He saw a gold mine and wanted to completely control it and he did. He paid for all their recordings and bought them dinner at the finest restaurants in San Francisco. This kind of treatment made John feel at ease and build a trust for Zantz. From what I understand one day at the studio Zantz walked in and asked the guys to sign a piece of paper, John and the boys said sure Uncle Saul. That signed document designated Zantz as Executive Producer and from that moment on Saul Zantz became 100% owner of the band and its music.
Friendships seldom survive when money and business are involved . Hurt feelings and perceived slights get in the way and make doing anything more difficult. We see this alot in highly successful bands .
Fogerty carried these guys, they should just be grateful.
Without John, there would be no CCR. They have woiuls have been forgotten as the Gollywogs or Tommy Fogerty and the Blue Velvets. They owe John for the things they have and forever being one of the greatest bands in history.
Cook and Clifford were part of the problem, it seems to me? Me a guy that's in his late 60's that lived the CCR music sound track of my life, Be thankful not resentful. Get over it and turn the page and give John thanks for the ride and your personal financial success.. John is and always was the best part of CCR..
The first couple of CCRv shows I saw they did thank John for writing this incredible music. These guys weren't blind to the realities, despite what all of John sycophants on here want to believe. They knew where this all came from, but they also knew they were part of the effort to put it all out there. It could've been others, maybe, but it wasn't. It was them. They earned some credit for what they did.
They were in fact sessions players . Nothing personal about that, just facts
No... They were a band... John fogerty admits to being a dick to everybody... Took him a lot of years in therapy to figure that out
@@jbramblett He may needed therapy to deal with having his songs stolen from him, having former members use songs that he wrote and go out touring under a band name that he formed. The sold him out for pennies on the dollar. John is sane, still touring and sounds great for his age. The former band members are ate up with jealousy
Stu cook was so lucky to be in John’s band, without John, he would be working in a factory or playing in Beer bars
I would have loved to been Johns base player, my motto is , never argue with a master .
First Base But You play a Bass guitar.
but he wrote all the songs and all his decisions were the right ones, Cook was riding his tales.
Seriously? ... Fogarty wrote and sang all the hits, and shared the revenues with the band, how lucky are they.
Without John, the success they had wouldn't have occurred.
Jealous is a word that has haunted man from the beginning. Starting with his brother.
How can I find stu songs
I’ll give them a listen
Look in the garbage.
If it wasn't for John Fogarty, no one would know who Stu Cook is.
He was the fortunate son👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
You can't scratch the surface of this story without bringing the very greedy President of Fantasy records into it.
I met Stu and Doug when they were doing the Revisited thing. They were both pretty nice guys, especially Doug. Talking about the issue with John, Stu was like Meh, it is what it is. Doug felt some regret, saying they probably took things too far. Elliot Easton from The Cars was guitarist at the time. He was a nice guy, we talked about his gear. The singer was John Tristao. He sounded just like John and played keyboards.
This article does not have the facts straight. Without John Fogarty, there was no Creedence Clearwater Revival number one hits or any quality songs whatsoever. Stu Cook & Doug Clifford were the ones that demanded they have a part in contributing songs. Read John Foger's book there you will find the truth. I followed Stu and Doug, following the breakup of CCR and even saw one of the first shows they did as Creedence Clearwater revisited in Las Vegas. Cook and Clifford sold out to the record company. End of story.
This is like Ray Manzerak ,complaining about Jim Morrison, hogging the spotlight. John Fogerty was, and is CCR.
"I don't care what they do with the music, just give me the money".. Stu Cook
Hate to tell you cook without John you were nothing.NOTHING!
1:27 ha....who had the talent? John, that's who.
John has been, was, is and will be always the soul of CCR. He is the singer, the one who make all the best songs, the talented one who make CCR what is CCR. The only thing missing to john after CCR was the finest and special way to play about the others musicians....without others musicians, CCR don't sound the same infortunately...but it sounds enough well to be played in public. Money is evil, and destroy humanity, man vs man, woman vs woman......
John was a hard bastard but don't think Prince or any of those cats were any different. The artists with that much talent and vision can be taskmasters and you either sign on or you don't - there's rarely a middle ground. John's myopic view of his career meant he missed stuff like whether contract was a good one or the value of his band. The music is unbelievable. Benchmark writing and production. It's a shame people got hurt in the process but rock 'n roll can be a brutal game.
No mention of Saul, the man that screwed them all out of royalties and rights to their songs. Dirty business is what the music industry had become at that time. Thankfully John got the right to take back all of the songs he had wrote for them a few years back.
I think Fogerty is a boss-type musician. Accept him as the boss, and then you will get along with him.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Sometimes you have to just shut up and play and reap the benefits. I was in a small band with an overbearing leader. But that was the key to our success.
Some are meant to lead, and some meant to follow. Both parties need each other.
Your video lacks serious context! Either that or you don’t know the actual history of how this animosity started! It was the band, especially Tom his brother who quit first, they rather than show appreciation for John’s music, became jealous. Soon, it was 3 against one, and nowhere in this video do you bring up this truth! That’s what began to tear them apart and poor John has never understood why they responded they way. Last, the actions of Cook & Clifford against John in court speak volumes! However, this video makes it look like John was the one suing the others first! You should call this video, ‘Creedence Clearwater Rewritten.
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I saw a video next flex on Netflix and Doug in that interview he said that John has a brain in good ways and that was true cause all the songs that he wrote l love it the sound of his voice
This is about ingratitude and ego. John had all the talent.
The talent shone through
It is a shame that great groups get into these ego clashes.
John's songs were classics. "Mardigras" was a fine album, whether commercially successful or otherwise. The cause of music and art would benefit from more mutual respect and less feuding.
when I play my CCR collection I hear a kick ass band from my youth and don't care what was or could of been just turn on and tune out.
If it is not broken don't try and fix it, John was a great leader.
Clearly, John was the created force behind CCR. When it came to the music, they should've just followed his lead. But... (there's always a "but", isn't there?) Was it necessary for him to rub it in? Did he have to make all the decisions, including the non-musical ones? Leadership is a complicated role. It's hard to know how much control is too much. A smart leader can lead in a way that makes his followers feel part of the the team, even if he or she steers the ship where it's supposed to go. Having said that, the rest of CCR were average musicians at best. They could've easily been replaced. It's sad to see the members of a successful band tear each other apart.
Not quite. Tom was an excellent rhythm guitarist. I used to study his work on headphones when I was a very young guitarist.
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This is what happens to all great bands. The Beatles, Eagles, time, money, that's all it takes.
Stu Cook was happy making money and partying while John wrote and produced their music. I'm sure he had some points regarding John's perfection seeking attitude, but they sure didn't leave while he was in the midst of this amazing creative phase.
Every band need a Strong leader.😮
Well hate to say it but John was the master force behind that band he was the magic, he finally gave them a chance an they couldn't do it, not everyone has his talent, that simple,
I was in 8th grade when these guys were out, and we all knew Fogerty was the guy even then
John was the absolute genius behind CCR's success. He was THE songwriter, lead singer, lead guitarrist, arranger and producer. Yeah, unfortunately he wasn't a great manager nor business man, he absolutely wasn't suited for that kind of job.
Stu, Doug and Tom complained about him being a tyrant, but hadn't he pushed them to rehearse exhaustively they wouldn't have gone anywhere. He told them what to play and how to play, that's why they usually spent a couple of hours recording at the studio cause John made them rehearse non-stop, only a few takes were recorded and it was done. Afterwards John would add overdubs.
Anytime I hear one of these RUclips narrators, I take it with a grain of salt. Why does Stu not ell us, instead of being quoted.