ST TMP - The Enterprise - unused original music
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- Star Trek: The Motion Picture includes a very famous 6 minutes scene where we see the new Enterprise for the first time. Did you know that the original music written for this scene was DIFFERENT than the music cue used in the final cut? This video shows you how the scene could look like with the original score.
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Robert Wise was 100% right to have Goldsmith rework this music. The piece that resulted was one of the most breathtaking arrangements of music in cinema.
If only Ridley Scott also have Goldsmith rework his music in Alien as well.
Ridley Scott threw out most of his original score and replaced some of it with music from another composer and music from a different film Goldsmith had scored.
@@sgerald this ain’t true. While dummy Scott threw out most of Jerry Goldsmith excellent score..There is only one piece of music at the end where it was not Jerry…
This piece makes this scene feel even longer than it already is. The final one makes you almost want it to be longer.
That's a nice way how to put it.
The final piece takes a sequence that is pretty boring and redundant (seriously, watch it on mute and look at all the flybys so you can see the ship from every angle!) and made you really invested. It brought you into it.
The sequence is magical and the revised score is a part of it.
I’m so glad they DIDN’T go with this music. It sounds confused and WAY less epic in the feelings it invokes.
It's an interesting piece, but I agree with Robert Wise; there was no theme. The final score wasn't only better, it created a piece of music that is as synonymous with Star Trek as Alexander's Courage's original theme.
Jim Schuck -- agreed
The main theme sounds in some moments in this unused music. Anyway, i think this music was more powerful that the final score. And i love that powerful Goldsmith!!!
Shatner actually looks the right age to be a starship Captain by this stage.
"The Enterprise" the theme that was used, sums up the true feelings of Admiral Kirk. His surprise to see his ship in her new beautiful form, and his being reunited with her.You can feel the emotions in this piece. The original theme was every where but focused on the scene itself.
no. Courage's theme IS Star Trek.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I have been looking for the original musical sequence for years. And boy, what a mess it was. It was all over the place! The final version, of course, was Jerry Goldsmith‘s masterpiece. I’m not ashamed to admit that, sitting in the theater Christmas 1979, I openly cried tears of joy when the music crescendoed and we saw the Enterprise clearly for the first time. It was a blah motion picture, but for millions of us Trekkies the Enterprise was as much a character as the magnificent seven. The spacedock sequence… was magical.
I am glad that I'm not the only one who loves it :)
I disagree with you on this.
I very much agree. I grew up in the movie theaters in remember opening night very well. Finishing the film was so down to the wire that the print was delivered by armed guard to the theater less than an hour before it was supposed to show. Are projectionist joked that it was still wet! Not really, of course, but that's how unusual it was. The audience on that 1st night state almost in a quiet reverence while it played, and then they cheered when the enterprise appeared in this segment. The movie may not have thrilled everyone, but it was quite a feeling on opening weekend, and the music was a huge part of it. The audience applauded at the end of the film and I knew that Goldsmith had created a new classic!
Actually, you can hear the theme hidden in the original, in fits and starts that aren’t allowed to come together and move forward. It’s amazing how similar the two pieces really are. It just took a little tweaking or bringing into focus.
That's the creative process for you!
Yeah, this piece is all over the map: unfocused and feels like it was derived from a whole series of unrelated sources. Final cut version is so much better.
I so disagree.
makeitso
The first one isn't bad, but the second one gives me always chills and sometimes makes me cry (in a good way). The first one doesn't do that.
Of all the Star Trek series, TOS is the only one where the ship felt like one of the characters. This sequence, which often gets derided, was a gift to the fans. And I love the ways that Goldsmith encorporated segments of the original version in the final version.
Exactly! A love letter to all the fans who basically begged and pleaded for the studio to revive the series or take it to the big screen.
And you are right, the Enterprise DOES feel like a character here. Unfortunately, it was misused in a very weak story.
For all the disparaging Shatner gets about being a ham of a actor, you could see the love in his eyes as the retrofitted Enterprise is revealed. The score told the love story that all the best dialog in Hollywood couldn't.
Beautiful scene IMO.
Quite right, this is a point that many even in the production don't grasp. We the fans who had watched TOS when it was originally broadcast had for many years thought we would never see the Enterprise again. If people would look at this clip with the thought of a triumphant return of an old friend they might feel differently. :D
Not bad, but the revised theme that made it to the screen nailed it.
Just shows you how a good director has the ability and instinct to draw out even better work from already highly accomplished people. I for one am glad Mr. Wise made Mr. Goldsmith go out and try again. The final version is glorious, gives you goosebumps and even draws a tear to the corner of your eye.
Yep, if only Ridley Scott also realized this as well in Alien.
The music of the final cut really is more appropriate. The theme captures Kirk's feelings for his ship. It's a solemn moment, pure and holy. It's what binds Kirk with his ship.
It is much more of a grand impact, isn't it?
I agree. I like this original version, but the final version is much more "appropriate. "
Jou got it, meng! And after the majestic first minute or so, people bitch about how long it goes on. I hardly thought about that at the time, but they likely expected Enterprise to suddenly warp out right after the opening credits and phaser everything in sight, granted it was slow.
I agree it was a slow movie but I don't think every movie needs to be a high paced action flick. I like movies like Metropolis / 2001 / Alien ....
Understandable. I liked Alien.
Incredible, Robert Wise had the instincts that this wasnt right, and the balls to tell Jerry Goldsmith to do it again.
And it is so much better for it. I mean, the first version was okay, but the rewrite is just magical. Even the first 30 seconds of it take my breath away.
If only Ridley Scott was also wise enough and have the balls enough to tell Jerry Goldsmith to do the music in Alien again.
@@jandreidrn Ouch. You don't like the Alien score? Or are you referring to how Scott bought the temp music?
@@timefilm well the ones that Scott rejected and replaced.
@@jandreidrn Goldsmith said in an interview that he tried but he couldnt write that mood because to him it didnt work.
Now I understand the documentary a bit more and what he meant by the 'theme.' The other one just sounded a bit generic and subdued.
The final one uses the 'theme' a real hook, and manages to sound uplifting and authoritative at the same time. Good stuff.
The theme for me is excessive in the movie. It’s probably the Enterprise in The dock shots that totally did it in for me. I started disliking the theme due to constant repeating
@@davidcarlin3850 it’s a bit...big.
For the reveal of the Enterprise, the obvious solution evaded both Wise and Goldsmith. The ship already had a theme (from the TV series) and using that would have shouted to the audience "THIS IS THE ENTERPRISE!"
At the end of "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home," when the Enterprise-A is revealed from behind the Excelsior, this was finally remembered...and used.
We do hear a variation of the TOS theme in the film though. It's only heard whenever Kirk gives his captain's log entries.
The theme was for the show and concept as a whole, not the ship.
@@FranticAnimations Regardless of its origins, how often have we heard it played when the ship is on the screen? The two gave become joined at the hip.
Nice, but the final version was better. Glad they changed it.
I agree. It's very interesting to hear this version, but I absolutely prefer the final one.
It feels like its building to something but just never gets there.
Film composers are geniuses. Pure and simple.
Gotta say I like the original score for this scene but it's always a treat to hear anything that has Goldsmiths stamp on it what a genius
Goldsmith's "rejects" top most composers' best efforts.
I feel the best thing about this entire movie was the score.
I like it but what we eventually got is one of the greatest pieces of orchestral music ever written. It's so uplifting and rousing. Plus the look of love in Captain Kirk's (will always be Captain to me) eyes says it all
Most people say it about Star Wars or other similar movies, but I am saying it about TMP - the score to Star Trek The Motion Picture is the BEST movie score ever made. (In my opinion of course).
40-yrs later... only now I'm hearing this. WHY?!?!??!!?!?!?
You probably don't buy soundtracks :-)
@@TrekkieChannel Noooooooo - I've been buying soundtracks since 1992. It's just I was unaware of this specific outtake, cuz I have the original CD release from late 80's, and it did not contain any outtakes like this; just the final cuts.
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Interesting that Wise discarded this theme because he said it reminds him too much of sailing ships. When Nicholas Meyer assigned Jamer Horner to write the score for Star Trek II, he told him he wants a score which evokes the feel of sailing ships on a "high seas adventure".
It was to do with what the director wanted. Wise, as well as Gene Roddenberry and Paramount, was trying to capture the essence of 2001, Close Encounters and Star Wars = to make Star Trek "real" sci-fi. Nick Meyer saw it more as "Hornblower in space" and shot it that way not only with the music but with "running out the guns" in the torpedo bay and other visual cues. When he returned for Star Trek VI, pay attention to ship interior scenes. Many were shot with a "rocking motion" as if on a ship at sea.
I think there's difference between Goldsmith's early theme and Horner's. Goldsmith's first pass does indeed lack a significant, easily remembered motif. Horner's theme has a very definite driving motif (the flowing fanfare that serves as a shared theme for the Enterprise and Kirk). While both compositions have a seafaring feel, only one is truly successful as theme music.
But if it were to come down to Horner's theme vs. Goldsmith's official STAR TREK theme, Goldsmith would win hands-down. The music he would eventually come to is virtually unbeatable.
Every tune needs a hook, both JG and JH tunes have a very strong hook to them.
I'm hoping it's just me for hearing the TMP theme for 30 years, but I had to agree with Robert Wise, it just didn't grab as the Enterprise. Supergirl, maybe. And yes, Jerry Goldsmith also did Supergirl.
I tried to watch Supergirl once. I managed to watch it until the first commercial break, then I switched the channel and never returned. But maybe it's worth revisiting just for the score? :)
Yeah, Supergirl was terrible. I watched it halfway through and said no, not watching the rest. Sad, because I love the character, but they went about the movie all wrong.
lol...sounds like the Super Girl main theme
and the Fortress of Solitude theme from Superman the Movie
That build up and sudden drop to the classic movie theme still makes my hair stand and give me a shiver. It’s simply and epic theme for an epic ship.
Can you imagine going up to the greatest movie/TV Composer ever and saying "it's not quite right Jerry, can you give it another go!"
I very much respect Jerry Goldsmith, but Robert Wise made the right decision. This sounds like it is trying as hard as it can to not play the theme! The version that made it into the film is one of my favorites.
I to disagree with you on this.
If only Ridley Scott made the same decision with the music in Alien.
I wasn't quite old enough to see TOS on TV in its first run, but I was in the first generation that had the series as reruns. Very little on TV was as important to me as TOS, and as much as I like Star Wars, my first love affair with science fiction was Star Trek. I remember sitting in the theater on opening day to see ST:TMP, and no movie in my life until then made me cry with such joy. I can imagine being Kirk, coming around in the shuttle pod for that first view of the Enterprise...the self-recrimination for EVER accepting a desk job, the happiness of the reunion, the excitement to be "out there" again, and the anticipation of returning to all those "unknowns" that he must have reminded Admiral Nogura about in his plea to get back command. The music in the theatrical release was all that, and more, as spoken the way only an orchestra speaks.
Although the original score in this video was good, and there were a few moments that contains some phrases from what was eventually released, it just doesn't speak to me the same way. After all these decades, the music I have in my heart and head *STILL* gives me chills as I watch and re-live that scene. For a few minutes, all the crap of life in the 2020's fades away, leaving me with the dream that one day, we can focus on star-stuff, as Gene Roddenberry envisioned we might one day achieve, leaving the political, social, religious, and sexual angst where it belongs: in the dumpster.
Shatner made a major effort to look younger in TMP than he did in TOS.
I still remember the cheer that erupted from the audience in December of 1979 when the full shot of the bow appeared (8:19) with the new theme.
It's crazy how this alternate score changes the feel and tone of the scene.
Interesting thought, had they used the original one, what would've TNG sounded like?
I wonder if one exists with the full orchestra.
The final score was much better.. This is like some Jon Ottman style random dittys to get through the scene. The Final Score was something that could have been played in a symphony hall in the 19th Century and well received. There is no theme in this piece above.. just touches of motifs hinting at something.
LOL.. I wrote the above comment before watching the bit at the end.. lol
Man that John Ottman comparison is spot fucking on.
It sounds a little more like the music from the original series, so I guess in that way it does the job by honouring the show, but I still prefer the version that was finally approved, because it changed EVERYTHING.
Took me forever to realize that Goldsmith sneaked a cameo of this Original Theme into his Score for "The Final Frontier" (for the Scene reintroducing the Enterprise-A)
It sounds nice, but I definitely agree with Robert Wise about needing a theme. And thank God that he suggested it, Otherwise, we’d never have what became arguably the most recognized theme in all of Star Trek.
If only Ridley Scott also made some suggestions to Goldsmith in Alien.
@@jandreidrn The thing about that is the filmmakers liked the temp music better than what Goldsmith came up with, so that’s kind of on them.
@@ForceMaximus84 so why did they chose Goldsmith to compose for the film if they won't even use his score? Seems to me to be very disrespectful to Goldsmith.
And this was not the last time Ridley Scott did this to Goldsmith. Very unfortunate since Goldsmith composed for Scott two of his greatest, most ambitious, most avant garde scores of his career since Planet of the Apes.
@@jandreidrn I don’t know. It seems kind of self-defeating to me. I know Ridley has gone on record praising Goldsmith several times, but I guess in the case of Alien, the editors won.
@@ForceMaximus84 and the reason why Goldsmith didn't put Alien forward for consideration for Best Original Score at the Oscars that year.
All these years later- DECADES later, this theme continues to be a staple in contemporary Trek productions. ST: Picard's 3rd season makes clear that the power of Goldsmith's contributions are timeless & just as compelling & moving as they were the first time they thrilled cinemagoers back in 1979.
Wise is right, this score sounds like sailing ships, but it is very good. The final theme expresses the mystic of space and the refitted Enterprise much more than this one. But there are many parts, which Goldsmith reused, for example when the capsule comes around to the front of the Enterprise and passes the saucer section.
If only Ridley Scott also asked Goldsmith to redo as well in Alien.
You know, I really have to appreciate Jerry Goldsmith's attitude here. Of course he was unhappy that his original piece (that he put alot of work into) was rejected, but he kept pushing to get a reason why Wise didn't like it. And when Wise was able to put it in words ("There's no theme"), Goldsmith understood and made the next draft, and so much better. A true passionate professional.
If only Ridley Scott also realized this in Alien.
That giant face in the docking bay window.
I was expecting to hear Alexander Courage's fanfare from the TV series accompanying the reveal of the Enterprise. Oh well, maybe in some alternate timeline it has that theme
I have toyed with the idea of scoring this knowing full well that no one could top Goldsmith's monumental score. A sort of Kobayashi Maru scoring test for film composers. You know you can't beat it, but you have to try.
4:00-4:30 reminds me of the score for the crushing scene in TWOK when Spock enters the engine core to fix the crystal alignment so they can go to warp.
In many ways, Star Trek reminds me of 18th century exploration. Sailing ships, set in the 23rd century. I mean to say that's the feeling I get. The music they used for the motion picture fit the film like a glove.
'Da da da da,
Daaa daaa daaa da da da daaahhh.'
Unforgettable part from the theme. Just why does that part work so well in this and the actual theme tune. Anyone with any knowledge of music psychology?
This score sounds like something that would be used for a ship setting sail at sea. Glad they gave the final score a more distinct sound.
Wow. Rollled a turd in glitter.
Big up Robert Wise ! Thank you for rejecting that heavily polished ‘meh’ ...
and giving us that iconic theme
If only Ridley Scott had done the same thing in Alien.
I always viewed this scene with Kirk as the "Groom," staring in awe at his beautiful renewed enterprise "bride".... I hear bits and pieces of the later score...
This original Theme would later make a Cameo in Goldsmiths' Score for STV.
Oh, that would explain why some of the parts seemed familiar ? :)
The original version reminds me of many of today's blockbuster scores--muddled, busy, vague and generically bombastic. There aren't many Robert Wises around to demand better from these composers.
I agree with Wise's decision after listening to this. It does wander quite a bit. I'm glad he made the choice he did.
If only Ridley Scott also made the right decision in Alien.
Robert Wise living up to his name.
I feel like Goldsmith score the emotion of the scene with this version (and nailed it). When he added a more focussed thematic drive he made it perfect.
Visions of Sailing Ships is what you want. The Enterprise is the Greatest Sailing Ship in Space. I don't understand Wise getting turned off to "Visions of Sailing Ships". It's all great. It's GOLDSMITH.
The problem, as Wise finally articulated, was that there wasn't a definitive Enterprise theme. While this is a nice piece of music, the Enterprise theme is not fully formed at all and the composition lacks focus. When Goldsmith finally hit upon the theme proper, Wise's issues with the music were resolved.
It sounds pretty close to the final cut of music. You can hear elements of this piece that were used in the final version. Still interesting to hear you can't go wrong with Goldsmith!
Yep. If only Ridley Scott also realized this as well in Alien.
When Scotty turns the shuttle craft to go head on with the Enterprise, Kirk gets that "I'm in love" look on his face. Goldsmith was writing love music.
I do really like the score that was used in the release much better, though.
Favourite filmcomposer.
His score to Star Trek The Motion Picture is in my humble opinion the best movie score in the history of movies.
The “final” version is what made this scene so epic in scope. This earlier revision made the scene seem about 1/2 size. It was almost like listening to the original on a transistor radio.
If only the plot of the movie matched the grandeur of the score, and the talents of the cast..........Oh, well. We eventually got Star Trek’s Ii,Iii, IV,, and VI. At least TMP had a great score!!!!!
If only Ridley Scott did the same thing in Alien.
Amazing that the primary missing piece is merely the (a) Theme. I totally agreed with 'Bob' here... listening to this unused music, it was definitely missing something significant. I've listened to this soundtrack so many times that I was missing that obvious point. Conversely, the final cut that we got from Goldsmith is absolutely an angelic score, and is without question my all-time favorite soundtrack among my large collection (the ST-TMP 20th Anniv Edition specifically.) This issue makes complete sense when we compare it structurally to 'Star Wars IV: ANH' (my 2nd favorite of everything), as that score has many themes which recur and are weaved among each other. Both are such melodic brilliance. I don't think the world will see an equal to these things moving forward.
If only Ridley Scott also did the same thing to Goldsmith in Alien.
What a beautiful piece!
In my opinion, the most monumental score of Goldsmiths career
In my opinion this is one of the two best film scores of all times (together with the original Star Wars score)
ST:TMP is one of my favorite movie soundtracks of all time. They didn't get a lot right with the first movie, but the music salvaged what could have been a disaster. When I first saw these interviews on the deluxe DVD, I was excited because it gave me some true inside information. The original music was nice, but not exciting. The revised version makes the "reveal" of the Enterprise more dramatic. It always interests me to read how music doesn't necessarily start out as a finished product, but often needs to be tweaked and worked at.
Yep, if only Ridley Scott did the same thing in Alien.
The theme was buried under mounds of sugary chords.
The revised one was simply great
All the elements are there that went into the finished music but indeed, it’s a background soundtrack - there’s no coherent overriding theme yet. People can hum the final music and it sticks in their mind - that wouldn’t happen with this. Also… 4:50 starts sounding more like an 80’s tv theme, like something they’d use for Falcon Crest or Love Boat. Lol
Wow. The second version is so ingrained in my memory, it's hard to imagine this first version being used. It's my favorite track from the album, along with the love theme. The first version isn't bad but it meanders around with a kind of improvisational or random feel to it. I'm so glad they were able to revise it to include the theme and really hit us with that epic melody! 🎹🎵
Now if the filmmakers in Alien had also done this for Jerry Goldsmith, instead of going behind his back and used the temp tracks they provided; released the same year as ST: TMP.
Jerry still got to have the last laugh. He worked his original theme into Star Trek V in the scene where Kirk, Spock and Bones are in the shuttle, returning to the Enterprise after their shore leave 😊
Yep. Saw this documentary years ago. Wise and Paramount wanted a "theme" score, like Courage's TOS piece.
Yes the interview bits were taken from a documentary released on the 2001 DVD, the unused music was taken from the official expanded soundtrack album, and the footage comes of course from the movie itself.
On its own terms, its impressive, well composed music and it fits the scene quite well... but it lacks a certain 'something' which the revised version has in spades.
Robert Wise was, hmmm... wise on suggesting the other score ! The first one was great, but never touched our hearts, and Goldsmith's 'love theme' did it superbly.
Love !
For the Enterprise. For our TOS family.
❤
If only Ridley Scott had done the same for Jerry Goldsmith in Alien, which was released the same year as ST: TMP.
God bless Robert Wise. This version is still good, but by asking Goldsmith to rework it and emphasize a theme, he pushed Goldsmith into creating one of the most beautiful pieces of music ever to be put to film. The entire score to Star Trek: The Motion Picture really is Goldsmith's masterpiece and "The Enterprise" is the crown jewel of the score.
Goldsmith used a little bit of the melody of this music in his score for Star Trek V
My favorite version of the enterprise
This theme should be used in a new edition of TMP where they do a flyby of the new Farragut first before moving onto the Enterprise. You know, just to drive some people clinically insane over the length of some of the film's scenes :p
sounds a lot like his theme for "supergirl"
Thanks for sharing. I had no idea one of the most famous themes in Star Trek was the second go at it.
Its clear that the revised version is a *revision* and not something completely new. Even the famous leitmotif is here, as an early version. It was a matter of working on the theme a bit more, and emphasizing it.
Sounds more like an undersea adventure than Trek.
I'd liken this music to a rough sketch, vs. the polished final product we got in the theater.
This one doesn’t make me tingle like the other one! The one they used fit the grandness of the ENTERPRISE! 👍🙋♂️🖖🏻
This is my favorite Enterprise. So beautiful & graceful!
A Beautiful original piece, but I have to agree with Wise. The ship is as much a character as anyone else and if the film has a theme it should be used for the ship, as well. I think the finished piece gives a bigger punch to the Enterprise's "face reveal."
"The ship is as much a character as anyone else". I SO agree.
...and that's why it KILLED so many of us to see her destroyed in ST III...
It also bothered people to see the Enterprise get visibly damaged in WRATH OF KHAN. Some older fans admitted to being horrified when Khan's phasers left actual burns on the Enterprise's surface.
I disagree.
Both were great but of course the one in the movie I can hear just closing my eyes. I have loved listening to it for years and years...
I had never heard this before. It is actually a pretty decent composition (although it meanders) and would probably have been acceptable on most movies but Robert Wise understood that this film was a prestige picture for Paramount and that in his mind the music here didn't quite work. Actually Goldsmith only appears to have tweaked this as it sounds fairly similar (I'd say about 60% of this sounds the same) but the other 40% that was rewritten made a huge difference. STTMP has one of the best orchestral soundtracks of all time and you have to give Wise credit for that as he pushed Goldsmith to try that little bit harder and come up with a work of genius,
I like that he change the theme to bodly go where no one has gone before and that tng made it into there theme. Cause tos theme starts with to bodly go where no man has gone before before it turns all ooohooooo ooooh ooohhooooooo ooohoooooo swish ooohoooooo ooooh ooooh oooh swish ooooh ooooooooooh
The score really used was / is far better. I would reject this one as well.
Although this is a beautiful piece of music in its own right im glad Wise got Goldsmith to rework the score, it really worked out in the end.
I am watching and thinking "well this isn't so different" until,..oh,...at the head on reveal & what follows.
Thank goodness for critical review of a persons work while a production is underway. The change was indeed needed.
If only Ridley Scott did the same thing in Alien.
Who am I to judge as it's better than anything I could do, but my feeling is that its a bit all over the shop. I don't know what it's telling me about the situation or the characters' feelings about it.
Nice music! I love ST:TMP and feel that the music is among the best in the franchise. I like the score that was recorded with this scene as the transitions are smoother and has a warmer feel to it. It also has more of a "Trek" sound to it. This one seems to have elements of 2001.
The title theme for TMP is prob the most recognizable piece as being Star Trek. Definitely one of my favorite Trek scores. And the Ilia Love Theme is gorgeous.
TMP has often been compared to 2001.
This guy wrote about it nicely: dejareviewer.com/2012/03/06/movie-matchups-star-trek-the-motion-picture-vs-2001-a-space-odyssey/
I think TMP and Wrath of Khan had the best scores in the franchise. And I love the otherworldly quality of the Ilia theme, especially the bridge.
He was right. It worked better with the theme.
"There's no theme!" My main complaint with modern soundtracks.
That dude at 1:29 floating through the screen right hand side:
"Woah, I dunno what I'm doing heeeeeeeeereeeeeeeee"
I'm countered the same issue while recently watching Wonder Woman 1984. Lots of action and visuals and the music is loud and stirring. But there was no theme. At least nothing terribly discernible, recognizable, and memorable. And then towards the end when there was an important moment, suddenly we're listening to music from Batman V Superman when Bruce's parents are being killed in the opening credits. What the?
And as they say the rest is history ....Live long and prosper 🖖
Too many strings. Not enough Brass. TOS reigns supreme with respect to the Music. Every subsequent iteration was too Muzak-ey and hit my ear as chasing John (Vaughan) Williams SW score.
The original series never had the budget for a full orchestra. It always had to make due with partial ensembles. Had they been able to use a full studio orchestra for the series, it wouldn't have sounded too different from the TREK movies.
Also, Goldsmith was approached to work on TREK as early as "The Cage," but wasn't able to (hence Courage taking the gig). We could easily have gotten his TMP music as the TREK standard from the start. So for him to launch the movies was appropriate.
No Theme! Even Jerry Admitted he thought he had done a great cue, but said it did need a theme.
You have to remember that SF films did not traditionally use proper themes. 'Star Wars' was heroic fantasy wrapped up in a space technology setting and big heroic/romantic music was appropriate. The most famous and admired SF film scores were 'The Day The Earth Stood Still', 'Forbidden Planet', 'Planet of the Apes', 'The Andromeda Strain', 'Logan's Run', 'The Thing' (1951), etc. None of them used big themes, but instead used unsettling, strange and new sounds. So Goldsmith wouldn't have been expected to provide a clear main theme.
Anyone ever noticed how you can sing, “I want to be a sailor, sailing on the sea...”, to the theme?
6:50... is Jabba the Hutt or his son controling the docking of the shuttle?
It was literally a Wise move to tell Goldsmith to re-do the music! It also shows that it´s always better to ask someone who is open and honest with you for a second opionion!
If only Ridley Scott had done the same for Jerry Goldsmith in Alien, which is also released the same year as ST: TMP.
As a standalone, this one is better -- just more complex and vibrant. For the scene, which is not complex at all but showy, the second version works better.