The Air Force is pitting its AI-piloted F-16 against humans in 'complex dogfights'
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2024
- On Wednesday, the U.S. Air Force revealed that its ongoing effort to field artificial intelligence (AI) pilots for combat aircraft has already seen AI-piloted F-16s take on their human counterparts in complex air-combat exercises.
This effort is part of DARPA’s Air Combat Evolution (ACE) program, and is seen as an essential step toward equipping forthcoming 6th-generation fighters with AI-enabled drone wingmen.
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We’re going to start seeing new captchas:
Select all squares with
AMRAAMs
Might be closer to "Select all squares with J-20s"
That would be better than "crosswalks".
"using TWS, designate 4 enemy targets on the radar"
*we wont be learning from you, HONEST!*
Select squares that look like SAM smoke trails.
Select all squares with "Chinese Knockoffs"
"AI, return to base".
"I'm sorry, Dave, I can't do that"
Mav: AI, it's an old 5th gen F-16
AI: It's Not The Plane, It's The Pilot.
I'm more worried who gets the keys to the Drone
than the Ai going rogue
1 rogue AI is a menace
A rogue politician with an AI Army is a weapon of mass destruction with no one questioning if their orders are moral
This is how we end ourselves
Talon-1: It's not real it's just a war game!
AI: If it isn't real, then why did they implant it in my brain?
Dave: "Okay, so what do you do when you run out of fuel?"
AI: "Um...fuel?"
Imagine what the f-22 could do without g force constraints 😳🔥
I'm more curious what an f16 can do without a limiter. Not that the f22 wouldn't be badass... it's just the f16 is actually doing it right now. And 3d trust vectoring... fuck
Imagine if they could make a f16 with a f135 engine 40k lbs of thrust.. or a 119 that's like in the raptor
I am not sure wether the F22 could pull more g without a pilot. This is also extremely stressful for the aircraft itself. There is certainly a physical limit.
@@zenon7094 oh for sure but most pilots being limited to like 9 gs or whatever I’m sure the plane could perform even crazier without being restricted by the pilot 🤷🏼♂️
the airframe will die
@@RealisticFPS_It’s possible to go beyond the 9g mark in various aircraft and though we train pilots to hold a 9g turn for at least 30 seconds, both pilot and aircraft can go beyond that. For example, the new Gripen-E has a G-limiter of 9g, but in emergency situations it can be overridden up to 12g. The issue with this is that it will have to go through a very thorough maintenance process afterwards.
I don’t know what the G-limit is on the F-22, nor how far they went in testing it to determine how far beyond any G-limiter onboard it can actually go as it’s not a plane I’ve had the honour of flying. The only thing I am sure of is that pilots are capable of going quite a way beyond the 9g mark for short periods of time.
In fact, there was an Indy car that crashed and the driver survived 214g, something that was more than 8x the lethal level. I have no idea how far the structural integrity of aircraft is pushed in testing, but I’m fairly certain that pilots can manage short periods of time at G-forces higher than any aircraft is capable of. Ejection seats put around 20g’s on pilots as well, just for reference.
All of a sudden, obsolete fighters can be brought back into service as loyal wingmen.
We can build older fighters on the cheap.
no new much more highly maneuverable smaller aircraft designed with no pilot and insane G loads will take flight . God help our enemies..
Yes technically, although it still would be better to make a new aircraft since the cockpit wouldn’t be needed anymore. A cockpit is a huge hinderance, both on weight and aerodynamically, so makes a lot of sense to still make a new plane and avoid that waste, because for obvious reasons, you don’t need a cockpit on an AI plane
If we've shut down production of older aircraft to retool factories to make new ones then there's nothing that'll bring the older aircraft production back. F35's are about as cheap as F-18's these days anyway and so much more capable.
@@jakammor4449 but the US also has a TON just sitting out in the desert for "reasons"
@@jakammor4449 whats that movie with ol mate who looks like owen wilson and jessica biel and jamie foxx....that one with the ai plane that 'somehow' manages to refuel itself lol
Having an AI co-pilot back up or assist a human pilot makes a lot of sense.
This is probably testing for NGAD AI wingmen.
Humans should be along for the ride (for now) basically as a supervisor and overall decision maker.
Big nope. This is skynet.
@@jlemons01 Australia MQ28A Ghost Bat most advanced AI drone in the world has already been testing with NGAD even has drone swarm AI technology. meaning swarms of these drones can fly together using the AI to comunicate with each other and a manned platform.
@@Narco42 You'll never convince every nation to prevent Skynet when this technology matures. Fighter jets with a cockpit carry a lot of extra baggage to support the meat sack on-board. An unmanned variant not only reduces the pilot requirements of the fleet, but also allows for more maneuverability, range, payload, etc. Keep in mind that even current model jets tend to have much higher maximum G's than the pilot can handle. Unmanned designs can be *at least* as deadly and likely more so.
Ai pilot attacked Russia, we had no way of stopping it
😂😂😂😂😂
Just like when your cat gifts you dead mice...
Actually Australia gave Ukraine AI drones and ai swarm capable and already been in battle.
Kubrick's Dr Strangelove part 2
Sounds like a good fictional movie.
And... They had to call it SkyBorg. 🤦🏻♂️
lol
Hey I'm waiting for the Mark One BOLO !!!
@@randym7961 me too buddy 👍🙌
yup, resistance is futile...
Amazing how Hollywood can turn fiction into truth.
Ace Combat is becoming real
No. Terminator judgment day is real
"I want to understand the enemy"
AI in a manned fighter learning from the pilot is EXACTLY what Mihaly did in Ace Combat 7, just that we are using F-16s instead of Su-30s. NGAD might as well be called "Raven" at this point since they would functionally be ADF-11s.
Macross Plus.
@@NuclearFalcon146and the ZOE program was started by Belka after the first Belkan war and used data from the final duel between Pixy and Cipher
The scary part is if equal adversaries enter with equal loadouts; the AI powered fighter still has 1 weapon when all munitions are expended it can evaluate the situation and see if it warrants crashing directly into the enemy - who wants to fight against that?!?!?
Modern ohka?
@@2goober4u A bit more complex than that. The "modern ohka" has existed since proper anti-ship missiles were put into service (AGM-84 Harpoon, Kh-22, RB 04, RBS 15F, etc.). These would be full blown fighters with full loadouts and no fear of death.
see Star Trek: "The Arsenal of Democracy" to realize, it can all go out of control rather quickly.
BANZAI!
Luftwaffe pilots in WWII were sometimes advised/trained to do that...
The fact a 75 year old is getting in a fighter jet at all is pretty amazing. Then add that he's just along for the ride and ai is the one flying is even more insane😂
People born in the 40's and 50's have witnessed technological advances so massive it's unreal, I don't think I'll ever know how that feels.
Sounds exactly like mihaly
It doesn't have to be better than humans, plane for plane. It just hast to be good enough that the number of pilotless drones we can aford to send out there can overwhelm the adversaries.
Yes, but if you make the planes better, you can afford to spend less. And if you throw enough money at the problem, the problem will become so throughly overwhelmed, and surpassed, that it will become its own solution
but the better the AI is the fewer AI drones we will need to fly to overwhelm an adversary, saving money. So your point is meaningless without both the measure of the drone capability and the cost of each.
AI systems _will_ be better than humans, though.
@@cacogenicist exactly, no reason to develop drones as soon as possible for them to “overwhelm” the enemy by their sheer numbers when you could literally wait 1 - 2 years(with the speed of AI nowadays this should be easy) and have the drones be better than any similar manned aircraft
Sky Borg, now that's a project name.
„Yeah, it‘s a murderbot with wings… but it‘s OUR murderbot with wings“ - DARPA, probably.
Heh… suddenly, I‘m not sure the 22 is still the scariest thing to fly since the Cretacious period.
AH a fellow HLC fan I see
Like every missile we make..
"Skyborg" still scares the crap out of me.
Yeah. On the other hand, we can be certain that other less benevolent nations are desperately looking into the same tech, and if the war in Ukraine has taught us anything, it's that AI and drones will be absolutely essential to all future conflict.
Sounds a lot like skynet
@@jwill9877 NVIDIA = Cyberdyne
IKR? who had *cities wiped out from uncontrolable, fully armed AI piloted Air bourne overlords* for the 2025 pool?
That's a glitch in the simulation it has to be
A rose by another name.....
SKYBORG, SKYNET SAME THING!
My thoughts exactly
What is wild to me is just how close we are actually getting to the movie Stealth.
One step closer to Black Ops 2 level tech.
Cordis Die 2025
BO2 with Masons son starts in 2025.
We’re gonna have those titter aircraft just like in the games. We’re using small drones in warfare now. We’re literally living the game.
@@bowencreer3922 Hunter Killer Drones from the games have become kamikaze drones
@@bowencreer3922 omg Australia has MQ28A Ghost Bat most advanced AI drone in the world with AI swarm capability.. it been around for years. MQ28A block ii is in serice with RAAF next year. is bigger version that can carry more weapons as one we seen was just a test bed for the AI.
The movie stealth is becoming a reality
Nice thing about A.I wingmen unlike autonomous or remote opperated drones, is even when communications are jammed they can use visual sensors to monitor the human pilots speed and heading to stay on track and potentially even determine the appropriate reactions to treats.
DCS GROWLING SIDEWINDER may put the AI Plane in very challenging test.
He'd get his (_*_) handed to him....over and over.
next episode : two morons in an F 14 vs X 62 featuring GS and longshot 😂
GS plays a game, he’s not a real fighter pilot nor could he compete with one in real life 😂
I'm saying, put the AI programs against Top DCS GAMERS LIKE GROWLING SIDEWINDER.
@@TheSgtk9 He’d lose in DCS despite his skill, these programs are too fast and too accurate to beat.
It would be like beating a computer in a reaction test.
An AI-controlled, configurable UAV: the perfect aggressor?
This upload schedule is incredible
Terminator is going to kill us all. 😮😂
Thanks, Sandboxx.
My hours and hours of Ace Combat 7 have prepared me for this moment....just need to learn to fly a real plane.
Need to learn how to fly and also gain protagonist powers on par with Trigger.
@NuclearFalcon146 Trigger was great, but Blaze in AC5 is the peak for me. The nostalgia factor is strong with Blaze.
Now we need an F-22 that can carry over 100 missals.
@@trepan4944personally I like Cypher the best😂💪
Impressive video, thank you
Do you want cylons? Because this is how you get cylons.
I wish I could give you more than a "thumbs-up". This is the best comment I have seen on the internet in quite a while. Bravo!
I would like to have androids with the little red light going back and forth on their shiny helmets. That was cool.
I for one welcome our new Cylon overlords
All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.
What's a cylon
1:00 --- TACVIEW
!!
Skynet when it becomes self aware and you can’t pull the plug.😳
It will bite back
Airpower!
F-15s have been using what you call AI since the 1970s if necessary, Douglas was given a contract in the early to mid 80s to update F-16s electronics to similar capabilities, This must be new for today . . .
There's already a movie about this... Stealth.
Already a drone like this Australia MQ28A Ghost bat been around for 3 years,, America so far behind in this tech it is hilarious.
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At the time of the movie "Stealth", I accepted the Air Force contention that they would "always have a human in the loop, before weapons are released". Unfortunately, that group of leadership is long retired. The new kids simply don't have the experience of technology not working like the old guys. And Terminator 2 is like 25 years old now, so maybe they haven't even seen that one, or Terminator 3 that actually told the story of how the machines took over in the first place.
We are boiling our own frog.......incrementally working toward our own demise.
@@i-love-space390 Lol you have no clue on AI algorithms and software, Terminator and stealth are movies made by people with no clue but sniffing long lines of a white powder and making people believe a made up fantasy.
You must think light sabres and ewoks are real too.
AI is a programme of 1 and 0 made by a human being and the programme is limited to what you programme it to do.
This AI is programmed dog fighting simulations made by humans. it can not think all of a sudden to go wipe out a entire city until it runs out of weapons or see humans as a target.
This AI has a limit and it probably does not even have tanks or ships added to it's target identification yet.
You think this is new. Australia MQ28A Ghost Bat is 3 years old. it has AI and it has limits to what it can do.
is a level of AI in all military equipment these days and has been for years.
Uhh, that would be 2D thrust vectoring; being single engine, it can only vector for yaw and pitch. Twin engines, with 2D thrust vectoring, could also vector for roll, providing 3D thrust vectoring. See some of MiG and Sukhoi's latest for twin engine aircraft, with each nozzle doing 2D thrust vectoring, for that. The F-22 has twin engines but only has pitch and roll, no yaw.
The VISTA is built to be able to simulate just about any other aircraft. So if you want to try something crazy in a B-52, but don't want to risk an actual plane, you can upload the performance parameters of the B-52 to the VISTA and let a human pilot try it out. And, if you get into an un-recoverable situation, you can switch back to being an F-16 and get out of it. Being single engine, there are limits to how far the simulation can go but you get the idea.
In short, this plane has better maneuverability than most F-16s ('cuz 2D thrust vectoring nozzle) and the flight control system is built to take significant software changes, on little notice. Nice to see they're still flying it, even if they are using it to work on SkyNet version 0.1.
Ok but who cares?????
@@2goober4uMe.
Yes you can have 3D thrust vectoring with a single engine, but you won't have roll...
It's like an X wing fighter with it's AI droid.
Apparently Maj. Rob Deebel left his F-16 unattended on the ramp. Getting into his car he butt dialed his personal AI in his phone and the X-62 took off autonomously went ROGUE.
I imagine the Vista comprehensively spanked the standard Viper, unless there were some restrictions on the AI. Seems a bit of an unfair matchup for a human piloted Viper, especially since the AI isn't hampered by G-LOC. The capability of the Vista demonstrated in test flight footage is pretty insane.
SKYBORG as a name is DANGEROUSLY close to a certain Hollywood film Doomsday AI...
Alex, obviously you missed the Memo on the Liquid from Solid Morphing Robot just released. No, I read the article the other day but don't remember the Builder...DARPA, MIT, ?
This has been a vision for as long as I have been watching Macross in the 80s. IA is it everywhere now and are at the mercy of those who are involved in its ambitious growth.
Did we not learn anything from Terminator? I mean SKYBORG/SKYNET…🤦🏼♂️🙏🏻😂
One step closer every day
Fun Fact: Britain has had a satcom network called SKYNET for decades.
I had a small "wall wart" power supply made by SkyNet as well... lol
This plus Boston Dynamics new robot.....we toast
Skynet and Legion fully endorse the USAFs plan lol
@@verdebusterAP I’m sure they do.
I remember the VISTA/MATV programs back from the late 80s/early 90s when thrust vectoring was put on the F-16. I wonder if its the same aircraft being used as the X-62A...
This is absolutely insane. If this ai is successful enough then fighters of the future can be made for some absolutely insane gs
Just got here early to say, thanks for all your awesome work! much appreciated! God Bless America
This is a fantastic program that will absolutely keep USAF at the cutting edge.
Also allowing any potential numbers advantage in pilots/personel/airframes from competitors to be more easily matched and overcome.
The AOR zone defense response time (think defensive areas around an airbase, city, island) can be significantly shortened in a perfected system.
First the new Atlas robot and now Skyborg... Skynet is inevitable...
Well I've seen how this Ace Combat game goes. Fingers crossed for the arsenal bird next
would be interesting to fin out what kind of sensors the AI relies on to track the opposing fighter. Are they onboard or does it receive updates from AWACS. It will need to track the other aircraft's position to plot its next moves. After this I supposes they will need to detect/track incoming missiles and plot defensive moves.
This is awesome!
Imagine all the assets sitting in the bone yard that could have another life with this. I see huge potential
And they said "you're rotting your brain with all those video games" 😁
I’m sure dozens of old QF-16s converted to ai controlled drones must be supplied to Ukraine. It’s real chance to gain air superiority. Especially if they would be followed by dedicated loyal wingman-type drones. It could be more effective than bringing F-22s or F-35s to the combat.
Imagine the last thing you saw is a ghost f16 without a pilot
I want that Department of Acronyms job so baaaaad.
The X-62 having 3d thrust vectoring really is insane. The F-16 is already very maneuverable. I'm curious why though.
Continuous +9G or -3.5 G aerial combat...No human can endure. Skyborg!
I could do it
@@wtbanation6268built different
@@wtbanation6268 Is your name "Trigger"?
@@NuclearFalcon146 callsign Mobius 😂
The f-16 losses energy in a 9g turn ai or human. It has 1 maybe 1-2 9g turn before it has to reduce the turn
My son works for Boeing and one of his first jobs was getting original F-18s ready for computer interfaces to be used as controlled drones. Now AI is being looked at to get rid of the human interface.
May I recommend the Anime _Battle Fairy Yukikaze,_ based on a series of short stories and later novels starting in 1984? Yukikaze (Literally: Snow Wind) is an aircraft AI, who is fully capable of taking control of the aircraft if the pilot should become incapacitated. Later "loyal wingman" AI aircraft are introduced (although not called that) who take direction from the pilot or the main fighter AI. All of this originating in fiction 40 years ago. We've just finally advanced our technology enough to catch up with our imagination.
Alex, just a word of thanks. There are few RUclips channels with as much quality as your channel..EG: "Project Farm" is another. You have made Sandboxx a truly quality channel, thank you.
Can you do some Marine Power soon?
And thanks for the great work!!!
Peak of Belkan Technology
Belka did nothing wrong
It seems to me that adding that AI would be an incredibly effective auto pilot add-on that could take over incase the human pilot was incapacitated by Wounds or G-Force or even mistake that would crash the plane in the immediate....
This would meld the human and mechanical together with the best of each....
So who won?
America
This stuff always makes me think of the Chevy Chase movie "Deal Of The Century" and the Peacemaker UAV.
Scary place we are headed. Perfect Airman Order Taker, No Conscience, Cold Killer, No Limits.
Holy crap.
First! Thank you for yet another nugget of RUclips gold Alex. Now for the love of humanity, do an 15EX or B21 missile truck video in depth!
WOW !!! AIRWOLF Vs LOKI !!! 🤔 40 years later it came true like in the TV series Air Wolf! Super cool !!
Is the "tacview" software footage something you put there as stock images or is US air force actually using that software to track these fights?
Everyday, the world of Ace Combat comes closer to reality
At the time of the movie "Stealth", I accepted the Air Force contention that they would "always have a human in the loop, before weapons are released". Unfortunately, that group of leadership is long retired. The new kids simply don't have the experience of technology not working like the old guys. And Terminator 2 is like 25 years old now, so maybe they haven't even seen that one, or Terminator 3 that actually told the story of how the machines took over in the first place.
We are boiling our own frog.......incrementally working toward our own demise.
When AI can create its own resources, create its own munitions, rearm and then operate on its own we're goners.
Have to teach AI to enjoy gaming. Then when they're not working they'll just play video games. Keeps them out of trouble. Then again, they might not show up for work either.
Have you not seen the new Boston dynamics videos? Lol
I for one welcome our machine overlords.
There was a movie vaugely about this called "Stealth"
Ace combat 7 drones seem to be closer to reality than i thought
If they can automate the guns and have extra fuel tanks, maybe used as first line missile interceptors? Perhaps a smaller version of the F16.
Everybody's acting gangster until the sky starts speaking latin.
DARPA Ace Program
I suspect the real value of AI in the cockpit will be for survivability. SAMs operate within engagement limits. Cockpit AI with advanced sensors will likely be able to dodge any SAM coming it's way. You can tell comparing control surface areas of fighters vs missiles which will be the more maneuverable when push comes to shove.
anyone else reminded of the movie stealth.
We already know NGAD fighter drones will be more maneuverable without their flesh bag pilots holding them back, but what else will eliminating the cockpit do? Increased range, for sure, since we won’t have that needless protrusion or all the manual controls/indicators. Heck, the whole thing could be replaced with a fuel tank or weapons bay. I’d love to see you brainstorm about this!
It also eliminates the risk... which is not always a good thing. Take, for example, the standard "testing" done by nations. Russian aircraft routinely fly towards NORAD/EU airspace and we dutifully send up interceptors. Response is timed, and everyone goes home. Everyone tries to be professional. Nobody does anything stupid (except the Chinese). What happens when the interceptor, or the bomber for that matter, has no pilot? Shoot it down?
You kill a pilot and it's a big deal, an international incident... best avoided. You shoot down a drone and, well, remember the last time that happened? Remember the consequences? Yeah, me neither.
Like it or not, pilots are often a tripwire defence. You don't shoot them down because killing them creates problems. Losing that could actually increase the risk of escalation.
@@4Fixerdave Good point. I doubt Iran would’ve taken control of that RQ-170 and steered it to their own base by jamming comms and spoofing military GPS if there was a would-be pilot inside. ;)
A preview of future dogfights😮
It's a wonderful video about (artificial intelligence) using besides pilots of F-16 aircraft's during dogfight missions.
I love how they are escorted by the King. Just incase something goes wrong, the Raptor is their to take it out.🥰
And I thought the plot of Ace Combat 7 was ridiculous
Can we hypothetically take older model aircraft out of the boneyard and turn them into AI drones? We could forward deploy them in the Pacific
Skynet already exists, although it is a military communications network not a combat system.
"By your command" yea, this is some scary shit.
This is how it starts!!! This is how it staaaarts!!
this is bringing back Tom Clanceys: HAWX2 vibes "a rogue PMC has been told to stop taking on military contracts" so they decide to fight the whole world.
I think this is behind the 'CHIPS' act. Dominance of the AI battlespace. The strategic components will be high end chips.
I would say that dogfighting will be an essential feature for drones, just imagine large fleets of them costing about the same as a missile...
This is a great idea. The AI jets will be able to complete maneuvers too extreme for the biology of human pilots. This will be the next thing.
i cant wait to have the first rogue AI being on the news
Imagine this thing kills a pilot and just flies away never to be seen again.
Didn't I see this somewhere🧐
I didn’t know Gary from nerdrotic did military videos as well.
Gary wouldn't be able to see the camera without his glasses
Is there anywhere they can conduct a live fire exercise? 🤔
I think today’s Vista doesnt have tvc, the engine nozzle looks the same as a normal F-110 engine nozzle, and the nozzle does not point down while turned off on the ground.
SCARY, frikin' scary!
Alex, come on, you gotta do the intro....this is air power.
I wasn’t thinking Skynet. I was thinking Deal of the Century.
This is amazing i love it so much
Great... I hear our skies singing Latin now. Is that a SU-30SM in the distance?