John, Jesus, Peter, Paul, and James--Sorting out the First Forty Years!
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2023
- In this wide-ranging interview with Jacob Berman, host of RUclips channel @JacobBermanHistoryValley , we focus on the central figure of Paul and how he relates back to the string of figures during the first 40 years of the John the Baptist/Jesus movement. My overall take on things is captured best in my two books, The Jesus Dynasty and Paul and Jesus, for any viewers who want to dig a bit deeper.
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Oh Thank God, an interviewer who doesn't interrupt Dr.Tabor
Amen
...that seems in large-part, @Ray Rod because the 'host' keeps nodding-off...
Well better to have this gentleman rather someone talking over Dr.Tabor so disrespectfully or attempting to finish his thoughts which makes me cringe.
You mean Derek of Mythvision
I understand Derek. I think Dr Tabor and others, now, have gotten used to and understand Derek and respect him.
Jacob Berman is the best interviewer on internet cuz he does not interrupt his guests and lets’ them talk. This venue works best with James Tabor, so his audience can learn more. gts
Another great interview. Thanks for letting him follow his train of thought without constant interruption. You are appreciated.
YES...
how is it an interview if the interviewer is not allowed to ask questions, it is more a lecture.
Yesss another Tabor video!!! I'll continue my binge
Dr. Tabor, I just want to thank you for your efforts in to educate me through the years. I've enjoyed your discoveries and your insights. It's awesome that I have a personal connection to the biblical writers. You have sooo inspired me!
Tabor is the GOAT. And I’m not talking about Matthew 25
A marvelous find for this morning. Thank you. ❤😊
I just love listening to your heart. I want every book. If I have difficulty with the reading, no matter. I've promised my library to someone who will read them.
Fascinating! Thanks so much
This is great!
Ty 🙏
This is really amazing to hear.
i love this interviewer he lets Dr Tabor speak... but he is like the spitting image of a Nicolas Cage how he talks and all lol love it
Please pray for me and my children.Prayer are ALL I NEED! I’m a single mother and I’m struggling to provide for my sons both of them are autistic and I’m overwhelmed! I lost my job because I declined the vaccine. I declined due to my heat condition and I suffer from lupus. I am waitressing now but not making nearly enough. I can’t go back to the hospital because mandates are still in place. Jesus help me to overcome my fears. Because as I struggle I am fearful. struggling to provide for me and my children is scary Struggling to buy groceries. Struggling to pay rent. BUT I trust you Lord. Jesus hear my prayers. Jesus has never left my side. Praise Jesus.
Return to the FATHER ALONE like Jesus told us.
Put not your trust in Princes nor a SON OF MAN in whom there is NO SALVATION psalm 146:3.
Maybe you will see some improvement. 1st commandment is clear as is Deut. 13.
I'll pray for you.
Yeah, i too wasted my eggs on the wrong person. Red flag that I bleached pink.
Lots of companies are hiring.
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Thank you for sharing.
Omg! I'm only 10 min in and had a revelation! James seems to be interpreting Jesus' life/teachings on Torah, while Paul does so on the person (or God figure) making Jesus in Paul's image of him (or who he wants him to be) . There may be things to question Eisenman's opinion of the DSS, but how he associates knowing Jesus through James really seems on the mark to me. Thank you for putting this online and I look forward to watching to the end. 😊
yes Eisenman is the expert on James. makes the most sense.
and Paul wants to put pro roman comments in to Jesus his mouth.
which he never would have said..
Paul DID NOT BELIEVE JESUS WAS GOD
@@Marabarra134paul NEVER quotes Jesus
@@HistoryandReviews scholars claim that he qoutes Jesus when he talks about the Lord's supper.
my believe is that he made it up.
it's a greek/roman tradition.
a jewish teacher wouldn't have said that.
@@Marabarra134 100% agree
17:23 = As I understand it there were two "factions" in the early church, that of James and that of Paul. From what I heard (not read) from lectures, there were Gentiles wanting to be followers of Jesus and Paul could accomdate them while James has more "requirements" (to be a Jew first before following Jesus). So, the faction of Paul won out as the "requirements" were a lot easier. But then, as Tabor pointed out, there appears to be a shift of emphasis from message (Gospel) to personage of Jesus. In my younger years (am now 62), I used to listen to Herbert W. Armstrong (World Tomorrw) a lot and Herbert W. Armstrong (no relation to Karen Armstrong) said the same thing (from message to the personage of Jesus). Although Herbert W. Armstrong was unschooled and was not a scholar, while Tabor has extensive research on Paul, it seems that present day Christianity has negated the James faction of the Jesus movement. As an armchair scholar am interested to know if Paul redirected the message of Jesus from Liberation Nationalist Messiah (free the Jews from the Romans) to a spiritual Messiah, to free us from sin. Now how would that sit with the James faction?
Dr Tabor's books got me to see that the New Testament is just a series of sequential "teachings" based on Paul's narrative. Tabor's book "Paul and Jesus" is one of the top 3 books ever written. (The Bible being the first)
I sensed you were going to say "A method to his madness" but you stopped short of the madness part regarding Paul. lol Even as a believer I can find humor in that. You mentioned "meat market" it's also (as you know) referred to as Shambles in the KJV Bible if my memory serves me right. In Corinthians? It was another interesting lecture Dr. Tabor and Jacob is very complimentary to your discussions. As a side note: As an artist, I can appreciate the artistry of your throw pillows and area rug:-) 🧚♀
@jamestabor Dr Tabor, it would be really helpful if you could post the "original aired date" on interviews and lectures that you post. As you say often, your views get refined over time, and it would help me to know the temporal context of each presentation. We can't ask biblical writers for that, but you're still here, so I'm asking you 😅
Thank you
It just comes down to Peter, Paul, and Mary. 😁😎
And Puff the Magic Dragon 🐲
I would have followed James for sure if i have met him
why? they are a failed apocalyptic cult who thought that the end was near
Thanks.
Hello Professor Tabor. I would really love to see a deeper dive into the historical Peter. Is there any evidence directly linking him to Rome? Did he actually go there? What about Jesus quote about giving Peter the keys to heaven, whatever you bind and loose etc. appreciate it sir.
Dr. Tabor, I'm following your prophesy series and this video has made me think that Paul might be attempting to fulfil a prophesy related to uniting the Jews and Gentiles. Is there something to this?
Dr. Tabor? I have a question. And maybe you could do a video on that or just simply reply in the comments. How do you understand Genesis 15 1- 6? For me: God makes Abraham a promise, Abraham believes Gods promise, God accounted "it"= Abrahams trust in the promise as a righteous deed. I mean Abraham was a believer before and the whole passage is not about believing in God, salvation etc. Its about a promise. It does not talk about Abrahams general righteousness but about a righteous deed. It would be very nice to hear your thoughts on that topic.
All I can say, is I have issues with Paul, sometimes he say, "in my words and not of Lord's" . The Books Matthew , Mark, James and John all work as one.
Why was "Suffered under Pontius Pilate" placed in the gap. Pilate had been in the "equestian" order? Nobody special that we know of. But I was just reminded of how Lucifer's forces are described. Horse and rider. Pilate may not have been highly significant in the human realm, but what about in the realm of evil.? If we rake the creed as being close to scripture in importance, the suffering under pilate may have included more than the crucifixion...or may mean Pilate had some influence in all three beatings? (Just a thought)
It seems ancient Judaism allowed debate among the factions which was centered on Torah and the prophets; whereas in Christianity you had to toe the line insofar as what the authorities wanted you to do post post Pax Romana and definitely after Constantine up until the Protestant Reformation...After that it seems to keep dividing into what we have today (in the western world).
We protestants are guilty of SUPERDIVISION.
I think the Catholic and Orthodox church really do have the keys to Christian unification, it's undeniable. We as protestants at really disrespect what seems like the Mother church in my opinion, regardless of whether they have some things wrong or right.
@@youngknowledgeseeker ok is see your point..up til the letter to the Laodiceans (rev3 verse14..) most agree these letters had a dualality . One to the churches the other to the church ages....God knew in the end the church would be plural as in many not just one... furthermore in Gibions decline of the Roman empire de judized the religion!!!! Mingling Christianity with paganism idol worship and Sunday as shabboth.God bless you .
I do wonder what Dr. Tabor thinks of the “chronological chasm” hypothesis, that Vespasian/Josephus et al moved the death of Jesus from the time of the Revolt to 40 years earlier. Several notable researchers (yes, Ralph Ellis but also this intriguing woman from Poland) have come up with all kinds of oddities.
So it appears Dr. Tabor is closer to Dr. Robert Eisenman when it comes to James and Jesus.
How important it is that the words of Jesus are deliberately limited to the 4 gospels and some quotes. That's how important the gospels are!
48:00 Paul is a spiritual chameleon
Definately he did whatever he had to do
@5569 Innocent of the Sabbath rule because they didn't prepare the grain, they just ate it like the food others prepared the night before
Perfect love casts out fear. Love covers a multitude of sins. Paul preaches fear. He's self-righteous and special - narcissistic traits. Paul's teachings led to the horror of the crusades. Love and forgiveness is pure. Paul wrote the chapter on love to the Corinthians, but even though he thought he followed it, he really didn't.
A first glance at the title of this video and for a sec I thought of the Beatles.
How did Paul never hear about Jesus during his ministry?
because there was no ministry
Paul knew about Jesus he persecuted the Jesus followers and was the one who precided over the killing of Stephen
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Of those presented to take the place of Judas, I'd expect the first of the 70 be one. The gospel of Matthew was written by one of the 70. Maybe Matthias?
58:40 Not everybody, although practically speaking yes, everybody.
Just reminded of another WWII story. An American bomber crew got shot down over southern Borneo in Daydak (an indigenous people) country. The Indonesia Japanese appointed governor of southern Borneo* couldn't hide the crew among the Christianized Daydaks because they wouldn't lie to the Japanese. So he had to send the American crew deeper into the jungle to be sheltered by the still non-Christianized Daydaks. The longer story is fascinating.**
* The Japanese administered northern Borneo where the rubber trees plantations and oils were directly and farmed out the administration of Southern Borneo to ostensibly puppet governors.
**The PBS series _Deadmen Talking_ has an episode on it . I think it was called "Airmen and the headhunters" or something similar.
1:13:36 They are not Roman virtues, but they are very much virtues Rome would want from good little slaves
Paul doesn't mention Mary by name. He just says born of woman
The one who was delivered unto Satan, was brought back into fellowship in a later chapter I believe. So it scared the crap out of that guy, so it worked. Or he suffered some things that made him realize he better repent before it was too late. I could be wrong. I didn't get the exposure to scripture as I wished I had, but maybe that kept me a babe. So I could receive without scholarly influence.
SATAN IS ONLY THE ACCUSER OF MAN. READ JOB, HE IS UNDER THE POWER OF THE 1 GOD.
@@kennethbrownsher1264 What's your point? Are you accusing me of something?
@@3r2w1c only if you think Satan reports to nobody
@@kennethbrownsher1264 He can only do what he is allowed to do. Jesus has all power. That leaves him none!
Not that I don't want that man to have repented and returned to the path of salvation.
But I wonder if Paul meant - Hand that man over to Satan (Kick him out of the church, he is officially no longer among the saved and the brethren), For the destruction of flesh (to keep the church *as a whole* holy, taint free, and from 'flesh'), so that spirit might be saved (so that the spirit of the church, either the presence of the holy spiritin the church or simply the obedient spirit that the church had been cultivating in itself, might be kept safe)
We all assume Paul is talking about that man's spirit and that man's flesh and that man's repentance and salvation, but I wonder if he's actually talking about the church as a whole. Normally he speaks about, thinks about, and protects the church as a whole not focusing on individuals above the community as per standard Jewish thinking.
That being said, once again, I do hope that man is the returning man who repented and Paul asks to welcome him back no problem now that he's done with that blatant and grievous public sinful lifestyle....
Paul's church was the survivor after 135 CE. And formed the base of the licit Church 311-381 CE. What more is needed? Protestants claim they have recovered the pre-Roman Church, but have they?
Jews claim they can recover the pre-Jesus/Mesiach/Yoshua Judiasm. Can they?
@@andrieslouw3811 They don't need to, in their thinking the synagogue is more ancient than the Church. But they are just one surviving faction among many, just as happened to Christianity.
The recovery of the pre Roman interference with truth is still a ongoing process.but many just wanna listen to some dude talking for about an hour 1 day a week...this will not do dig deep.
Law, statutes, precepts, testimonies. All hang on the one principle. This is how it began with Abraham's covenant. Moses encountered many disputes among people who needed right and wrong spelled out for them--like the kindergarten class. But the law does reveal the perfect will of God. Salvation is of the heart. The benefits offered by the benefactor include what i think is a healing of the soul. We are called to love God with our soul, too. And its the only way to comply with the will of God. People come into the kingdom with the heart. The healing of the soul comes later, IF you desire it. btw,There seems to be some lost knowledge about the right shoulder representing the soul and the actions that come from the soul. We might say, "put your shoulder to the wheel." Or epaulets might have been placed on the right shoulder. (Lol, Paul strikes me as a neurotic and he makes me nervous. Its contagious.)
The silence of Paul, James, Peter, Didache, Clement and so many other early documents is what makes it so hard to accept a historical JC, that is why there are so many different JCs. Christianity was founded a a mystic apocalyptic jew in a Hellenistic world
tell that to Tabor, he is closed minded on that subject
Yes but the Romans wiped out much of the early churches as those early churches were very divided on doctrine...as Satan had done his work which John warned of.
@@dukegroovy5162 well he can read my remark. I glean knowledge were ever I can avoid controversy......but in ( Will Durant's books the age of Christianity I learned that Christians factions were killing other factions and then you had the pagans or Mithra cult going on ,it was such a crazy era with the Jewish Jesus movement being wiped out in Jerusalem,it's no wonder that by 200 Christians were meeting on but sat and sun but still persecuted until Constantine in 321 ...but Tabor likes to stay out of the political aspects of all that being a William and Mary tenured professor...,just so you know it's due to the early period of church history that i respect others believe system. I have never convinced anyone by text to my point of understanding. So truly I say to you God bless you and your family.
Mr Tabor is mistaken. James is first mentioned in Act 12: 17. The context is very telling.
I think you are referring to 41:30 in the video. Yes, your find is earlier than 15: 13, and it demonstrates that James is in charge of the community. I think James Tabor wasn't wrong, though, just a little ambiguous. These are his main points:
- At the end of the discussion on this very important point, there is no vote. Instead, James, who didn't even speak previously, decides what the outcome is.
- At this point, James is just called "James" with no further explanation who is meant.
- Earlier in 12: 17, Peter tells others to notify "James and the brothers". This is ambiguous as to whether it means James and the other early Christians or James and his brothers (or James and the [other] brothers of Jesus). And here, too, James is just called "James" without any explanation of which James is meant.
It seems clear that this was written both for those who already knew the role of James the Just = James the brother of Jesus as leader of the Jerusalem community of Christians, and for those who didn't know and were not intended to learn it from Acts! The very fact that the author downplays the role of James in this way makes it far more likely that 1) James actually was the leader, and 2) he actually was the biological brother of Jesus. It seems to be information that the author doesn't like but can't deny or hide completely.
@@johaquila yes Luke does sanitize but i think everybody would have known which James it was. The earlier citation indicates that Peter had to flee Jerusalem owing to persecution James being more Conservative was able to stay and lead the community there. That why u said the context the verse reveals is important
Sorry correction....thats why i said...
@@burtonsankeralli5445 Ah, I missed that specific point, but it makes sense. There have been suggestions that Jesus, like John the Baptist, was the son of a High Priest. If that is true, it would perhaps be the stronger reason why James could stay. Or it could just be that in those heterodox times you really had to go out of your way to get on people's nerves to be persecuted. In which case James being more conservative would of course have contributed to his being safe.
Luke implies this so the other place Luke refers to Peter going to is Antioch and Luke's reluctance to name it is again telling. Paul also suggests in Galatians that Peter was assigned the portfolio of ministering to Jews thus Peter came to Antioch to engage the Hellenized Jews while Paul dealt with the Gentiles. But according to Paul that plan did not work out.
Is the Host Nicholas Cage?
Interim ethics before the coming or change of this world
Yes professor... I believe your statement the essential teaching of the message of yahshua is REITERATING THE ETHICAL TEACHING OF THE HEBREW PROPHETS!(virgin birth,Son of G-D, acceptance of his blood)..NOT REQUIRED... I TOO HAVE ALWAYS BEEN SUSPICIOUS OF SAUL/PAUL..It has always been clear to me that he usurped the message if you shua was very possibly an agent of ROME, AND THEY TOGETHER WITH A FEW OTHERS SCRIPTED WHAT BECAME THE BASIC TENETS OF CHRISTIANITY THAT WAS NOT STATED BY JESUS, NORTH JAMES
The Famous Rabbi Hillel, enunciated all these statements before Jesus was around. Plus he gave the Golden Rule. Jesus Sermon on the Mount mirrored the Rabbi Shammi , who was more conservative.
There are only few quotes of him and one thing is for sure: he believed in a divine oral law. And said Gentiles to keep the law too.
@@germanboy14
Hillel = Helios/elias = Exlai = the Just (Jacov) = Paul = Germanicus = Zacharias
Gemaliel = Simon of gamla = Judas of Galilee = Lucius Anneus S. = Ananias
Shammi = Samuel = James the less , the tsaddik / sadducee = Drusus J.C. = Andronicus
Mickey = michael = John the baptizer, son of Germanicus, Jochanan ben Zakkai = Junias
@@willempasterkamp862lay off the crack pipe
Tabor knows better, not complimenting him
Nice and mellow. Good discussion. Jacob you make sure to take care of yourself and get lots of rest. 🀄🪢
Each gospel would seem to have been precise class notes taken from a disciples script. The lessons are taught to Jews while Judaiism was still the religion of salvation...albeit from the written word. Isn't the format considered judaiic? seeing as the title written on the codex shows that these are the first words and the subject? Jews would know the written word from synagogue attendance. The gentiles needed to have the word put into their hearts. I know the spirit of Jesus entered the heart as the seat of desire, but I don't understand. Maybe if I were a pagan, I would recognize the difference between before and after?¿? And there's a connection between the sacrifice of praise and the blood offering of Jesus. Correct me please if I've tangled this up. My understanding is that the life is in the blood. As we sing our spiritual songs or pray, the our breath carries that offering. For example, the "hal" in hallelujah is "breath" in some sense. The "lah" is the song. This is why selah is a pause for the spiritual song. Victory is through the song. I don't know Hebrew. I would like to be set straight, but I'm pretty sure this was how I understood. Now, we are not under a burden to somehow purchase victory or forgiveness or anything else. Am I completely confused? Because I really need to understand. It's not that the calves of our lips or our blood had any sanctifying power, it was, for me, just the way I understood breathing my prayers and following a pattern I saw in David.
I'm atheist and love getting my hands on evidence/reasoning of logic arguments to dispute the bible. However Dr. Tabor would do well on a sleep podcast. Just saying.😊
James Tabor is looking at the host as if he were an incorrect pupil in his class, careful!! lol
Paul believed in his Claivoiant aberration not the actual message of Yahshua. Paul's christ was a lover of blood sacrifice. It is what it is. 😐
Without Paul, it would just be "Christianity," instead of, "Judeo-Christianity."
!. One of the many things that is confusing is the timeline differences between AD and CE. When is year one? 2. Another item that is ignored, is the Zealot rebellion. That, in my opinion, is the real reason Jesus was crucified. Pilot,felt Jesus was a Zealot and wanted to make an example out of him and used the Jews as an excuse.
The Hebrew Matthew way predates the Greek or "Q" nonsense. Before 40 CE - the issue is to identify where it was altered - what was it to start with?
Revelation 12:17
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
#metoo @Campbellteaching
Mary treasured all these things up in her heart while Jesus grew in wisdom and stature. Seems to me that the Wedding at Cana - Mary directs Jesus to act! - should be a part of the Creed! This event, more than any other, marks Jesus first appearance on the world stage. What does the Lord require of you: justice, kindness, walk humbly with your God.
Oh James , you're just a bit too nice to Paul , he's not a hypocrite ???
1 Corinthians 9:20
(20) "And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;"
Romans 2:13
“For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.”
1 Corinthians 9:21
(21) "To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law."
Galatians 3:11
(11)"But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith."
22)To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I AM MADE ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN , that I might by all means save some.
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Does Paul actually believe that James didn't know the divine Jesus? Lol. Only Paul does it seems because he says so. Oh the arrrogance of this man. The Kindom of Heaven is all around.
James = Paul, I think Paul hasn't doubt for a moment that he was not James, don't you ?
No Paul didn't believe that. disagree
I have a question for you what Do you think of the latest discoverie concerning the shroud of Turin which
Prove that It is Indeed that of Jésus ans even
His résurrection merci
there is no way to prove that it is jesus
I remain unconvinced about the Tabor interpretation of the resurrection. According to Genesis these male Angelic types not only male in form but also had viable seed. This says very little about the hereafter. Nevertheless anyone with eyes to read will understand that men are NOT getting any there either, but their ''desire'' is still strong.
Celestial angels CANNOT impregnate humans. Period. Pure Roman mythology.
@@jdaze1 Maybe you can take a minute and read Genesis, question mark. Pack your bold incorrect sand somewhere else, boy.
@@jdaze1 Evidently The writers of Genesis 6:4 thought they did.
I would think God is not cruel but instead purposeful. If we believe God literally created and designed sex to be that loving and pleasurable, then surely if we don't have sexual relations in committed relatio ships in the kingdom of God then God will have created something else that will even exceed it.
@@youngknowledgeseeker I truly do not know. This is a God who is aware of tectonic plate shifts, so I have stopped speculating as to His ideas for eternity. However I heard something many years ago from a source I was certain was neither on drugs or barking mad. The suggestion was one of a sexual exchange that was sex but not sex. Again, I don't know, but it is possible. .
The mind is stuck and even brilliant also the body still hast to vist outhouse or where ever your at, the best I AM ever used all unless asleep or coma with many versions of hypnotized. The stories about mind in skull since created a little older than Ages. Keep ignoring Neville Goddard if fictions become fraction.
Tbh it sounds like James is promoting an earlier version of Islam with the hallal meat and circumcision
it is judism not islam
@@lhl9010
Islam is monotheism that inherits all this Abrahamic past
James the just is the beloved disciple. James wrote the johannine works. God has a sense of humor. The apostle john wrote the epistle of james.
How so
I am one of them clairvoyant people if you would call that I don't call it that because it don't happen All the time. But Yahsu Jesus for one told me not to be confused with names and yes he loved Paul I am Hebrew Essene B'nai o aloh o Paul had a very great purpose in his purpose buy Christianity Israel became a nation in one day.. it goes way deeper waaaaaay the Bible has been manipulated 37000 times just the New testament alone and I told preterist doctrine is false. And biometric is the mirror 🪞 face 👀 palm Aura field the AI reads All of them. I didn't believe in Yahsu until he showed me he was real... I am Hebrew Levi Nazar and know a zadokite because the mark of the beast is here biometric currencies Yahsu Jesus told me so the profit Yahsu the anointed one and people will soon understand understand nesara gesara Antichrist system and who?2345 gematria
When David asked for the show bread from the priest who Saul later murdered with a lot of others I believe, (thanks for that David), the priest asked if his men had been with women or not. They had not! Why ask that? Tabor always leaves out details that mean something. He's leading you to his conclusions and then says. If those from both camps agree, I might be right! See the hypocrisy in that? David was a Messiah. He'd been anointed by the Chief ointment. Only Kings and priests were allowed to be anointed. Anyone else tries to make or use it gets killed. Exodus 30:23. He couldn't operate as a priest as Saul learned the hard way. Dr. Tabor is a wonderful man. Sincere and sincerely wrong on so many points. What did Peter mean in 2nd Peter 3:16?
2 Peter 3:15-16 (KJV) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
So what things precisely is Peter talking about that people twist to their own destruction. Perhaps what Dr. Tabor says daily! It's a possibility and maybe probable! Maybe plausibly deniable. Jesus said this.
Matthew 11:25 (KJV) At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
So by babes he means scholarship, A doctorate with 40 years of research in the wisdom of man? Calling other men great Mark scholars. I know Dr. Tabor by the spirit as Paul said we were to know all men, even Jesus. No longer after the flesh. Dr. Tabor considers that forbidden knowledge if I understood him correctly in Israel. He'd hesitantly give me my $3000s worth of his opinions I purchased with the trip. I couldn't afford to buy roofs or floors for Tamar when he used past sufferings of people to invoke emotional responses just before implying how blessed people donate and five even more than the price of the trip. Quite a sad shameful practice from a man who claims to " Love" Jesus. I'd have been glad to have conversation with him but he seemed to like to send people as undercover agents even his wife to pry my beliefs out of me which I agree openly to any who will ask. Judgement is falling on Americans I type of nobody has noticed. It's gonna get very very bad very soon. Maybe.all the Drs will be outstanding in their fields. Driven to outer darkness. Foolish virgins. Don't believe in revelation from a holy spirit. All can be explained scholars.
Wow. It had never clicked for me that the Priests and David were examples of Christs in that dialogue of Jesus. THANK YOU for that! Also the Exodus verse.
Quick question, do you think the spirit affirms that Jesus is literally God, or portrayed as literally God in the New Testament scriptures?
you didn't answer the question ; who is Paul ?
I get such a bad vibe from James friends peter. And also is obvious peter killing annanais Sapphira he learned no forgiveness like Jesus taught. Jesus warned him don't deny me or I will deny you before my father. Yet he did and I can keep going on...see I was betrayed. And Paul was betrayed. Then saved again died in Rome happy . I intend to do the same.
Now I hope I can learn a lot in this channel cause I know for sure peter is Satan James was bad I get bad vibes from Jude and 1 John also they are no longer welcome. So is weird
Peter = Ananias , Paul = Zacharias
Read Leviticus 27 verse 28 on Ananias and Sepperihas...
@@phillipmorris4555 Leviticus until chapter 26 summed up all the prescriptions for gifts, presents to be given as price for redemption. Chapter 27 is an addition with exact prices as in taxation, what is more formaly and more compelling then freely gifts. Redemption as a work of the HS is not for sale. The author of acts condems it as the sin of 'Simony' : Simon's sin .
@@willempasterkamp862 you are over my head .all I know is it states if you freely give money from property sale to God and tell what you have done but redeemed or go back on your word you shall surely die.im basically applying Leviticus 27 verse 28 to Anainias and Sepperihas as they only had the 5 books of the law and the books of the prophets and were of the Jewish form of the Jesus movement or we call Christians but that had not happen as of that time.
@@phillipmorris4555 let it sink in ; Simon is the same as Ananias, Paul is Zacharias . Simon was a thief stealing from the poor. Where as Cornelius (Paul) had given great alms to the poor. For a depiction ; the Huqoq elephant mosaic is very revealing on this issue.
Fake fake fake fake
The problem here is that not all books of the NT mention every doctrine in the Christian faith. James talks about some things, not everything. Paul talks about somethings, not everything. John talks about some things, not everything. Luke likewise. You are supposing things about the relationships between these writers which may not be there at all! You are inferring from too little information..
Uh, I'd blame Constantine for 'christianity'... not Paul.
It is impossible but to come to a wrong conclusion when the Scriptures are approached like that. These scriptures are not just the words of Paul and the words of Mark and the words of James. These Scriptures are the word of God and it is necessary to view them as a whole to draw from them a sound Christian doctrine. The theology presented here is very bad.
no they are mans words
They are all said to be guilty of enticing God's people “to eat things sacrificed to idols” and “to commit acts of immorality” (2:14-15,20). In Revelation, to “fornicate” (porneuo) and its cognates usually are metaphorical for spiritual apostasy and idol worship (14:8; 17:1,2,4,5,15,16; 18:3,9; 19:2).
Jesus was always talking about the antichrists... Peter.piedra Mr stone
Peter was Satan incarnate and his hypocrisy became bigger after 14 years when he also rebuke Paul. But we all know peter had rejected the lord Jesus who warned him not to do it. I mean it must have been hard been peter.that he was in the bible as the traitors.
Then he didn't learn to forgive or to be kind. He doesn't forgive annaias..
Let's open our eyes . Satan attacked the apostles and James and more. Barnabas too. Not Paul but Paul was under bindage
- There never was multiple Gospels by multiple authors. The Gospel was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
Wow you know your stuff. Would this also include the Cathars the waldensenses and others were snuffed out .
@@phillipmorris4555 all I can tell you is you cannot trust church history or any history for that matter.
quite a fantasy with no substantive proof, pehaps an interesting fiction read, Lazarus was never well after he was brought back, never well enough to even work
@@lhl9010 you are the one making unsubstantiated claims
Unless your a Jew using the Hebrew for circumcision, it no longer carries meaning.
The thorn in the flesh is self-hating gayness. That's why Paul was so full of fanatical zeal. It's a common mistake, thinking religious fervor can free you from what you are, especially when it's unacceptable to be what you are. Any gay or lesbian person who reads the parts of the bible that Paul wrote and that focus on him can tell you that.
All Gods Sons are conceived by his incorruptible seed. Its SPIRITUAL not literal as in human flesh. Do you people even read the bible? I peter 1:3, i peter 1:23, james 1:18 all kjv or greek.
Theres no such thing as a human miracle birth. Smh. And who is the bible scholar here? The gospels were were literalized by Rome. Its a spiritual allegory for ALL the elect sons of God!!!!! The firstfruits of the FATHERS SEED. Cmon people, time is running out!!!!!
The collection of sayings that Matthew and Luke have in common that are not in Mark ... is just that. Once you drop the unfounded assumption that Luke didn't have access to Matthew, the whole Q document hypothesis is exposed as the giant waste of ink that it is.
It's stupid. It doesn't make sense. It has no historical basis. It is an academic fiction. Let it go.