Did I make a $1,000 Mistake? (Analog Heat+fx)
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
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@WeAreElektron if you see this video, adding a dedicated digital soft clipper or limiter would make this device 10x more practical for people both in the hardware and daw world.
*One thing I forgot to mention which is pretty cool, is that you can use overbridge as a way to run an input to get directly into your daw; just like an interface, except ran through the heat and fx. For me, it means I can seamlessly get sound from my iPad into bitwig without having to use airdrop! That’s pretty nice.
the alternative would be to allow us to re arrange the analog components to where I can have the actual heat as the last item in the chain and the eq/filter before, although I’m not sure if it’s possible.
that being said, I’m someone who likes to blow sounds up. and this certainly blows sounds up. let’s play with some bass, a tune I’m working on, and some drums.
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Some of the nicest analogue clipping I have achieved is by overloading the transformer in my DI box. I just have a 20 dollar passive DI box and by boosting the volume going into it to the point where its clipping the signal I get a really nice gooey bottom end and it flattens out the output in the frequency spectrum. I think this works especially well on bass.
which one do you have
@@christdolphin69 Millenium DI-E
honestly, it sounds sick
but there's a reason I keep my hardware and software workflows separate
I'll still likely grab one at some point
For me, it all about the modulation, midi and cv control. It’s also great for its hands on/performative feel if resampling through it etc
I ran into the same issue with my first elektron box. Seems like a mistake on our part, in hindsight, asking a piece of hardware to do what a DAW can with regards to modular arrangement of FX. The pros, still sounds great with some workarounds, and Elektron is a great company that continues to support their products well after launch. I feel like that’s a hidden value, but I could be on some copium. Like you said, a digital soft clipper or some other digital distortion or saturation is something to cross your fingers for since you can rearrange everything digital. Send that feedback!
I’m sorry I didn’t see this! I don’t regret my purchase months later. Ironically I use it very often
Great video and you made some great points, regarding the mastering setup and the gain staging - increasing the gain in the DAW is usually undesirable because it reduces the SNR and in the process reduces dynamics, you've got such little room to work with that it doesn't make sense to send it out and then back in at the mercy of the DACs and their noise both ways (You're essentially boosting the sound of the noise in the DAC when you boost the DAW's channel, and when using these built-in DACs they can be noisier than higher-end interfaces for example). And to answer the question, yes clippers exist - the pre-amp input gain knob being overdriven on the return is a common choice although that's where quality is very apparent in the interfaces etc, because like I said there's very very little wiggle room. I think this was designed for synth/guitarists to set and forget with light saturation in a chain of other pedals rather than sound designers and heavy-distortion-enjoyers :)
thanks for the info! and I agree fully with that last statement about who this is made for.
Yep professional mastering hardware is insanely expensive for this exact reason, not uncommon for a few pieces to run up 15k+
Not sure if I entirely agree that this is is more aimed at synth players or guitarists rather than heavy distortion enjoyers, I've met plenty of people in the Drum and Bass production scene that swear by the Analog Heat, as well as I personally know a few noise musicians that use the Analog Heat as their final distortion that the whole track goes through.
That's definitely the simplest way to use it, just set and forget on a send or a mixbus for gentle excitation, though the LFOs and the other modulation options that it has actually makes it viable for sound design and some cool experimental stuff :D it also sounds pretty good in a master chain, but yeah the gain staging gets a bit finicky
@@shadow_steppin there’s a difference between some daw users utilizing it and who the target audience is, though. Kind yeah we can use it but plugins would do the job just fine
Dude $1000 for some FX is madness
It’s also far more than fx. But he’s right you don’t need any hardware, period.
@@asms_music417 you don’t need anything but a daw with a budget laptop but if you like the results try it. the thing with hardware unless it’s behringer you will get your money back if it doesn’t work out software your stuck with it.
Tone Projects Kelvin is my favorite saturation/distortion
Mine too. For digital saturation. In analog nothing really compares to real tape and tube saturation.
I love Kelvin. TUPE is also pretty amazing.
Finally a video of someone actually using this box to properly crunch up some stuff, this is exactly the use case for which I'm interested in it. Also maybe I'm coping because I want this, and of course it's not apples to apples with the Tube-Culture because the plugin is emulating a special type of tube distortion, but somehow I feel like the analog distortion has more weight to it, and the plugin feels just a bit "boxy" with a more harsh high end (which might be due to aliasing with such extreme distortion levels). As always difficult to describe audio with words but I do feel like heavy distortion is the one area where analog still actually sounds noticeably better than digital. I agree that the price point is pretty heavy though, however it should be mentioned that besides the analog circuitry and the DSP chip, this thing is also a fully functioning audio interface with 2 ins and 2 outs, so there is a lot in there for the price. Anyways, great video thank you for the examples and comparisons :)
I use the heat pretty often both as a means to sample external stuff with saturation or as a matter of using it via overbridge. It can do lots of cool things since it is super flexible in hooking stuff up. It can still get harsh, but it does really well with “lorn” kinds of sounds
Also it has 1 LR in and 1 LR out, as well as a midi in/out and headphone out.
This was like an ad for who the AH+ ISN’T for, so very handy. It defo is a different overpriced boxed to its predecessors...much more a performance tool than a production one, albeit a limited one
Thanks for watching! For my own use cases the list of what it does for me has grown a lot over time so it’s earned it’s keep but I don’t think most people are going to have the same needs
@@Alckemy that's a reaally great thing to hear actually...and when you dig around you hear a fair few similar stories. I know Elektron get a lot of flack for prices and feature selection but it's the peeps using their stuff day-in, day-out who know where the real value lies. Full disclosure: I also have the AH+...and I love it. Am looking around at how everyone else uses it (| learnt a lot about the Octotrack that way too) so your vid was hugely helpful, and enjoyed it too!
Thanks for your review.....
I have expensive synths an MPC x , roli MEP controllers and zoom pedals ect.
My laptop only uses the internal onboard sound card to produce music ITB with lots of different plugins. I make a different type of music so I've not felt the need for any outboard equipment to master my music.
I have no income from my music projects so every piece of kit has to count and earn its keep as a workhorse.
I hope you get some good use out of it eventually
You scoffed at my suggestion of Source Audio Ultrawave. Not that I felt bad or you were out of line. I just think it deilvers way closer to the style of distortion you're looking for. Worth a look. Simple-looking pedal but the app is pretty deep.
Scoffed seems a bit strong and I don’t remember the interaction but I think I turned away from it because it doesn’t have daw integration. The overbridge was a huge selling point to the box.
@@Alckemy yeah I'm getting into synthing after a long time in guitar and pedal world so I am realizing how different my mindset is. Thanks for the response.
So i can basically get the same/similar enough sound from the stock bitwig devices?
yep. slightly different character but fat sounds no less
nice video fam
Thanks for watching!
OTO Boum might be a solid alternative
I’m checked them out but they were not only sold out but also didn’t seem to have connectivity to the daw. Might be a good cover for hardware though
Sherman filter bank 2 but make sure it’s serial number is over 7700 and something as they have some really cool secret features. As a suggestion No overbridge but is the best analog distortion hands down gets out of hand very quickly but if anyone can tame this beast it would be you
I looked into it but decided to roll with the elektron stuff because of overbridge specifically. That being said I think the filter bank is a great choice for modular stuff
@@Alckemy yeah I thought you would say that I’m a big fan of billain and he uses it on everything mainly his virus ti his tracks sound out of this world you should check him out if you haven’t already he is very similar to yourself.
Ps I got scammed of that dirtywave m8
@@anyme3046nooooo how
@@Alckemy just no reply from seller got PayPal involved but think it’s a sign not to bother with one. I keep looking at analog gear I really want the pro 3 sounds insane
Dig some of the sounds here. I’m tired of modular and gear in general. I’m considering a Push 3 Standalone for harsh noise music. Any advice ?
take any distortion, crank it to max, harsh noise achieved. if you already have the tools I would not invest in anything else. push 3 only works in session view which is what turned me off by it. It's hard to tell whether you should buy something based off only wanting to achieve the music you're going for. it can absolutely be done, but there are countless cheaper alternatives
@@Alckemy I also want the chance to create IDM music for another project. Have a vocal fx processor in same unit at all times. Modulation , fx, etc
@@TheGoldenWreath for the price of a push 3, if you don’t need the pads, you can get an insanely powerful iPad that has cheap apps updated all the time. It is the biggest Swiss Army knife you can buy next to a dedicated laptop.
@@Alckemy I’d like to have a standalone piece away from the computer.
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have you tried the bitwig 5.1 filter+ device with the new clippers? it kinda scratches that Analog Heat itch for me.
the video I posted before this was about that^^
You definitely wasted money. The efx on there are not worth it. I still have the first AH and I'm not even upgrading to the MKII.
I have an Akai Force and Roland SP-404 MKII, so I'm good on needing anymore analog effects for now.
I’m pretty happy with it personally. Though I’d agree it may not be the most efficient purchase I’ve made lol
“Analog” doesn’t mean “hardware”
I don't see what it can add in a workflow which has all the good fabfilter plugins like Saturn 2, Volcano 3 and all the compressors, effects etc. I would personally get one if I was doing some live session and I wouldn't want to bother bringing the mac. And as well, it's just so expensive. Like it's literally the price of a Syntakt.
A feature that is extremely niche but useful to me is that I can sample from external stuff, my phone or tablet included while running through the effects. I’ve also found a workflow to sample directly into the octatrack. There are other and cheaper workarounds for sure but I personally don’t regret the box. Plus it has a unique sound which is likely the biggest selling point. You do not need this
@@Alckemyhave you done a video on your octatrack/heat workflow?
@@sashajedinac9391 yes I do
Dirt to me sounds like transistor distortion
Magnifique to 35:00
YES lol.
You know what, I actually use it everyday… still too expensive, but it’s growing on me
@Alckemy that's cool you use it! I can't really talk. Brand new Hydra explorer and tascam model 16 sitting in boxes.
@@Curious_Skeptic I was afraid of that. I have some video ideas that may help bust em back out
Big mistake. Used analog heat mk1
“Read the title, responded off title”
@@Alckemy no sir
Just buy an analog limiter :P
Oof
Thanks!
Lots noise, where is the music?
Lmao
yes -- yes you did.