The thing with objects moving in a scaled down version of the trajectory they would’ve been moving is that because gravity and friction does not get scaled down, things happen way faster than they would on a larger scale, for example if you set a pendulum with an arm length of 30 feet and set another with the arm length of 3 feet and pull them up to the same angle and relase them, the 3 feet long pendulum will do multiple swings while 30 feet one is tryna complete one swing cuz the gravity acting to the small pendulum is way more relative to it’s size than the big pendulum that has a larger size in the same environment. Micro quads in general are the same story, you actually need to mostly what you do with a 5 inch but in fraction of the time. If you were to dive a skyscraper instead of a playground slide with a whoop you’d realise how much slower it actually falls compared to a 5 inch other than being hard to recover due to the ducts. Tinywhoop simply appears to fall faster cuz with 5 inch you are diving a 3 story building height and you are diving a one and a half adult person tall playground slide with the tinywhoop. I would recommend getting used to ridiculously high rates like near 2000 degrees per second with your 5 inch comfortable drone if you struggle with the whoop, then use the same fast rates on your whoop to fly it like how you used to fly the 5 inch back in your slow rates but do everything in the fraction of the time
Yeah ive revently been flying tiny whoops around the house mainly because the weather has been so crappy in the UK 😂 but it has really helped my 5 inch game. I have come to the conclusion that sticl time is stick time whatever your flying! Great video!🔥keep em coming!
In swimming they say to learn all of the strokes. Just to get a better feel for the water. Anyways I’ve seen that in a lot of other things as well. I’ve gotten into sim racing just to get better at line choice. I might try 3d one day but not anytime soon lol. Whoops are really challenging I fly horizon inside and I still have to be fast on the sticks.I’m surprised I didn’t see any yaw wash!
Nice video. What I really like about the 75mm whoop class in particular is that I can rip my back yard every day it's not raining or snowing. I can't do that with my 5inch. So I can actually fly the 75mm every day. No bad run-ins with idiots at the park, and I can fly it 20x as often as a 5 inch.
Yes 100% I find myself when switching between tiny whoop and 5 inch is muscle memory is all off. I get it back within a pack or two but right out of the gate switching def messes me up
Tinywhoops are hard at first, but just like when we all first started flying, at some point it just clicks. I still suck with whoops especially inside but getting better. 🤞🤞
In my humble experience is the big difference isbthrottle control. Whoop you gotta re learn throttle. Maybe not re learn but handle it differently. The lighter the whoop the more responsive.
I’m glad you noticed it! I put more hours in Ocarina of Time than any game in history. Putting that together scratched an itch in the most nostalgic part of my brain! Best of luck in IGOW!
@@Kmart_FPV Same man. That and Majora's Mask are my all time favourite games. Ive got the mask tattoo'd on my foot and a Legend of Zelda mashup tattoo on my arm! Best of luck to you as well and keep ripping!
tiny whoops are great imo they teach you so much about recovering from almost crashes :D also why does everyone think that heavy quads drop faster than light quads? weight doesnt effect that or does it?
@@Kmart_FPV heavy objects fall at the same rate (or speed) as light ones the acceleration due to gravity is about 10 m/s^2 everywhere around earth so all objects experience the same acceleration when they fall only thing that might make it feel a whoop droping different from a 5" is drag and maybe idle motor rpm? i know myself that it feels different but i think its caused by the fact that you whoop closer to objects and the ground in general
@@Kmart_FPV ye bardwell could do a 1 hour vid about that ^^ i see often that people think that heavier quads drop faster i think its a interesting topic
Everything falls at the same speed. If anything, the whoop falls slower thanks to the square cube law. (i.e. the smaller a drone is, the more surface area relative to it’s weight it has)
The reason that it feels like it drops quicker is actually BECAUSE it is lighter. The lower mass causes it to have less inertia: gravity can pull it downwards much quicker than a heavier quad.
It’s fun as hell! I do have to re-record this week’s challenge though. I realized my tricks weren’t obvious enough last week and this edit doesn’t show three power loops. No big deal though, it’s easy enough to set up my gates in the yard.
Yep, I'm in the same predicament. Picked up a Mobula 6 a few months ago and been having a bunch of fun but still can't get a good freestyle flight. What rates are you using? I also haven't flown my 5" in months as we've been having some bad weather off and on her in SoCal as well but can't wait to get back in the air soon. I'm a little scared as the 5" is sooo much faster 😂
@@Kmart_FPV Yeah Man. All good. New job also has me very busy. That plus fishing season is right around the corner for me so getting ready for that. I do a lot of Saltwater fishing for SoCal Saltwater Anglers 🤙🏻
Have you tried setting air mode to a switch and trying to see what the difference is practically while flying? Also, did you turn on crash recovery? :) Happy flyin' mate!
Crash recovery is on my list. I’m scared to turn air mode off, but I’m considering programming it so that it’s off when at zero throttle. Thanks for the tips, though!
@@Kmart_FPV I set air mode up on a 3-way switch along with air mode + idle up. :) Sadly, I don't have a little whoop to fuss with yet. I do, just not a tiny whoop. heh. Cheers!
I have a tinywhoop, absolutely hate it. I got it to learn to fly 'for real' in addition to the sim. Then I found that it flies nothing like a real quad anyway, so I should have just spent the money on extra batteries and maybe some replacement frames for my 3.5" quad. It's basically like flying a twitchy brick rather than a quadcopter.
Agreed. For the longest time, I only flew my whoop on angle and really just to terrorize my dogs. It wasn’t until this quad and the WeBleedFPV batteries that make me feel confident to try tricks
@@Kmart_FPV I've eliminated about everything except the batteries and the idiot behind the sticks. I started with a mobula 6 and upgraded to bt2.0, a different frame and 31mm props (basically everything Ciotti recommends on Bardwell's page). After that I swapped out the motors for ex802s to save weight and even got a fractal 75 frame. With the fractal frame and no prop guards it almost feels like a bigger quad, but no prop guards. So I went back down to a 65 whoop frame and smaller props. But I still feel like it falls like a stone any time I try to do anything except simple flying. It's possible that I need new batteries, when I got it I didn't know you aren't supposed to leave them charged and they stayed fully charged for weeks.
The thing with objects moving in a scaled down version of the trajectory they would’ve been moving is that because gravity and friction does not get scaled down, things happen way faster than they would on a larger scale, for example if you set a pendulum with an arm length of 30 feet and set another with the arm length of 3 feet and pull them up to the same angle and relase them, the 3 feet long pendulum will do multiple swings while 30 feet one is tryna complete one swing cuz the gravity acting to the small pendulum is way more relative to it’s size than the big pendulum that has a larger size in the same environment. Micro quads in general are the same story, you actually need to mostly what you do with a 5 inch but in fraction of the time. If you were to dive a skyscraper instead of a playground slide with a whoop you’d realise how much slower it actually falls compared to a 5 inch other than being hard to recover due to the ducts. Tinywhoop simply appears to fall faster cuz with 5 inch you are diving a 3 story building height and you are diving a one and a half adult person tall playground slide with the tinywhoop. I would recommend getting used to ridiculously high rates like near 2000 degrees per second with your 5 inch comfortable drone if you struggle with the whoop, then use the same fast rates on your whoop to fly it like how you used to fly the 5 inch back in your slow rates but do everything in the fraction of the time
Yeah ive revently been flying tiny whoops around the house mainly because the weather has been so crappy in the UK 😂 but it has really helped my 5 inch game. I have come to the conclusion that sticl time is stick time whatever your flying! Great video!🔥keep em coming!
Tiny Whoops are hard! Everything is on "fast mode" you got no hang time to work with!
Agreed! It’s nice to bounce off of objects though, instead of calculating what repairs are likely while the quad death rolls! 😂
You have a lot of wash because HDZero is heavier. Analog you wouldn't have the wash nearly as bad.
@@Kmart_FPV oh yeah, cheap and durable and you can fly anywhere, even with kids at the playground. It's so fun.
In swimming they say to learn all of the strokes. Just to get a better feel for the water. Anyways I’ve seen that in a lot of other things as well. I’ve gotten into sim racing just to get better at line choice. I might try 3d one day but not anytime soon lol. Whoops are really challenging I fly horizon inside and I still have to be fast on the sticks.I’m surprised I didn’t see any yaw wash!
Love the Zelda OOT sounds haha great job
Thanks, man! I was trying to play the nostalgia card. 😂
The hang time on these tiny drones are so short, it throws me off every time
Me too
Exactly. Rates are the most important thing to keep across every size build. 🔥
That’s the same reason i fleet up and fly clones
Nice video. What I really like about the 75mm whoop class in particular is that I can rip my back yard every day it's not raining or snowing. I can't do that with my 5inch. So I can actually fly the 75mm every day. No bad run-ins with idiots at the park, and I can fly it 20x as often as a 5 inch.
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Yes 100% I find myself when switching between tiny whoop and 5 inch is muscle memory is all off. I get it back within a pack or two but right out of the gate switching def messes me up
Keep it up dude, and good luck in IGOW. I’m having some fun with it
Thanks, man.
Tinywhoops are hard at first, but just like when we all first started flying, at some point it just clicks. I still suck with whoops especially inside but getting better. 🤞🤞
It is getting better!
Something about the analog screen and the music just made me feel like I was watching an old school skating video, great video man 👍
Thanks, man! I’m glad you liked it
This kind of stuff is why I put the notification bell on for your channel.
That’s a huge compliment! Thanks man!
In my humble experience is the big difference isbthrottle control. Whoop you gotta re learn throttle.
Maybe not re learn but handle it differently. The lighter the whoop the more responsive.
I agree with that
I wanna tiny whoop, great vid as always buddy 😊
Thank you, Melissa!
I love my whoops, found them much easier to learn than my 3.5" and 5" quads. And the fact that you can rip a pack anywhere.
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1:35 oh... snap... thought i was, goes to show me why I never see you in my feed 😊 Kmart - always placed you a bit older.
dominating this playset 🤙🏻
Ha! Thanks man
Loved the Legend of Zelda sounds in the intro 😂
I joined IGOW as well. Should be a good time for the couple of weeks I am able to stay in it haha.
I’m glad you noticed it! I put more hours in Ocarina of Time than any game in history. Putting that together scratched an itch in the most nostalgic part of my brain! Best of luck in IGOW!
@@Kmart_FPV Same man. That and Majora's Mask are my all time favourite games. Ive got the mask tattoo'd on my foot and a Legend of Zelda mashup tattoo on my arm!
Best of luck to you as well and keep ripping!
Same happened to me I started w 5", 7 and 10"... I got myself a tiny and i feel its harder
Agreed
He from Boston I must support thy neighbor🤟🏾
Hell yeah! Ride-or-die 617 homie!
tiny whoops are great
imo they teach you so much about recovering from almost crashes :D
also why does everyone think that heavy quads drop faster than light quads? weight doesnt effect that or does it?
I think gravity has a hand in it. Whoops are fun, just very different from 5” quads
@@Kmart_FPV
heavy objects fall at the same rate (or speed) as light ones
the acceleration due to gravity is about 10 m/s^2 everywhere around earth
so all objects experience the same acceleration when they fall
only thing that might make it feel a whoop droping different from a 5" is drag
and maybe idle motor rpm?
i know myself that it feels different but i think its caused by the fact that you whoop closer to objects and the ground in general
@@bluefpv3263 Man, you've already run my physics knowledge dry. It's a great point though, and might be worth bringing up in a Bardwell livestream.
@@Kmart_FPV ye bardwell could do a 1 hour vid about that ^^
i see often that people think that heavier quads drop faster
i think its a interesting topic
Everything falls at the same speed. If anything, the whoop falls slower thanks to the square cube law. (i.e. the smaller a drone is, the more surface area relative to it’s weight it has)
The reason that it feels like it drops quicker is actually BECAUSE it is lighter. The lower mass causes it to have less inertia: gravity can pull it downwards much quicker than a heavier quad.
Sort of... But less inertia lets drag kick in quicker and lift to be lost. Gravity doesn't "kick in" it's always pulling
Gravity affects all quads the same, regardless of mass
Yo Kev this one was wicked good 👍🏻
Thanks, man! I was super bummed about not being able to fly for a few weeks, it felt great to just be in the air again! I appreciate you brother!
Great video man. Any plans for a Freestyle HDZero 90fps AOS v2 build?
Man, I’m thinking about it. But I love DJI for the bigger quads. I had a bunch of Freestyle VTX’s in the past, but the penetration is wanting at best.
Awesome flying! I feel IGOW is just awesome for learning and improving fast. have fun mate! 👍
Thanks man!
I’m doing IGOW to bro, and man it’s hard but its really cool, I’m flying the fractal75 Good luck 👍🏻
It’s fun as hell! I do have to re-record this week’s challenge though. I realized my tricks weren’t obvious enough last week and this edit doesn’t show three power loops. No big deal though, it’s easy enough to set up my gates in the yard.
Opening song?? 😮
Did that mean you liked it?
Nice rip I subscribe
Cool video, subbed 👊🏻
Thanks, man! Welcome to the party!
Yep, I'm in the same predicament. Picked up a Mobula 6 a few months ago and been having a bunch of fun but still can't get a good freestyle flight. What rates are you using? I also haven't flown my 5" in months as we've been having some bad weather off and on her in SoCal as well but can't wait to get back in the air soon. I'm a little scared as the 5" is sooo much faster 😂
My rates are right at 908 for pitch and roll and 768 for yaw
@@Kmart_FPV Thanks Bro. How you been?
A little blue with all of the rain and a crazy time-of-year for work, but otherwise pretty good! You doing alright?
@@Kmart_FPV Yeah Man. All good. New job also has me very busy. That plus fishing season is right around the corner for me so getting ready for that. I do a lot of Saltwater fishing for SoCal Saltwater Anglers 🤙🏻
@@TRITONFPV That’s awesome! I used to do a lot of fly fishing when I went to school in western mass. Nothing better than a cold stream!
Very fast driving... Is that a 2s?
No, 1s. But that Mob is FAST!
Sweet video. A wee tip for rendering, render in 60fps so we can see that smooth dvr. I'm guessing it was locked to 24/30fps from your camera.
It is rendered at 60fps….maybe my camera settings were off in the goggles. I’ll look into it though. Thanks for the feedback!
Have you tried setting air mode to a switch and trying to see what the difference is practically while flying? Also, did you turn on crash recovery? :) Happy flyin' mate!
Crash recovery is on my list. I’m scared to turn air mode off, but I’m considering programming it so that it’s off when at zero throttle. Thanks for the tips, though!
@@Kmart_FPV I set air mode up on a 3-way switch along with air mode + idle up. :) Sadly, I don't have a little whoop to fuss with yet. I do, just not a tiny whoop. heh. Cheers!
Hahah i love whoops
They really are fun as hell to fly!
Get some 30,000kv motors and it will feel like a 5 inch with that power to weight ratio
Good tip! I’ll keep it in mind when I need new motors
I’m not positive but you may have had a guest star in your outro buddy, may have been an inch 🐛 in your hair lol
😂
Only in Ma 😂
I think it’ s just a leaf though…
Doesn’t compare to the trouble I’m having binding a tiny whoop…
I’m sorry man, hit up Blunty on discord. He’s super helpful whenever I’m stuck
I have a tinywhoop, absolutely hate it. I got it to learn to fly 'for real' in addition to the sim. Then I found that it flies nothing like a real quad anyway, so I should have just spent the money on extra batteries and maybe some replacement frames for my 3.5" quad. It's basically like flying a twitchy brick rather than a quadcopter.
Agreed. For the longest time, I only flew my whoop on angle and really just to terrorize my dogs. It wasn’t until this quad and the WeBleedFPV batteries that make me feel confident to try tricks
@@Kmart_FPV I've eliminated about everything except the batteries and the idiot behind the sticks. I started with a mobula 6 and upgraded to bt2.0, a different frame and 31mm props (basically everything Ciotti recommends on Bardwell's page). After that I swapped out the motors for ex802s to save weight and even got a fractal 75 frame. With the fractal frame and no prop guards it almost feels like a bigger quad, but no prop guards. So I went back down to a 65 whoop frame and smaller props. But I still feel like it falls like a stone any time I try to do anything except simple flying. It's possible that I need new batteries, when I got it I didn't know you aren't supposed to leave them charged and they stayed fully charged for weeks.
hd zero is to hevy for whoop in my opinion whoops likes analog ;)
Hehehehe
it broke so easily
I didn’t think so, plus that arm was already delaminating
Turn your prop idle up. It will fall slower
Good tip