Shining Force Tier List
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2024
- In this video I compare Shining Force units through a Tier List maker. I received comments from my previous video (link below) requesting ranking characters instead of what I actually covered, so here it is! Please let me know your opinions in the comments below!
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Zylo, Domingo, and Guntz deserve to be higher. Zylo has high mobility, good on terrain, and has very high attack despite no weapon. Domingo has very high survivability, very high mp, strong magic, and he flies. Give guntz a mobility upgrade and he has no flaws. He's good on terrain and has high overall stats.
Zylo is a beast! ... if you get lucky and get attack boosts every level. If you don't get those, he really struggles to do damage. He's not bad, bc he's still moving fast and very bulky but he isn't the best unless he gets his attack up
I made at least ten playthroughs. And I think this is a very bad ranking list. Zylo is one of the best. And you can't compare Earnest and Vankar. Earnest and Arthur are the best knights in the game. It's a RPG, a bit of grinding is necessary. Domingo is the best magic user.
@@ivangasparevic1727 Grinding is only necessary if you want to optimize your team. I usually go for promotion af level 15 to 20 (depending on the character), and if you do that the tier list would look very different. But if you promote at level 10 and you minimize grinding, as he did for this list, I can see why he makes most of the choices he makes here.
Really enjoyed this video. I’m not sure what happened to Zylo on your play throughs. Must be a bad cart or bad rom dump, which wouldn’t be your fault 😁. He’s always been awesome every time I played.
Guntz needs the Mobility ring otherwise he’s garbage.
"The only thing Adam has going for him is that he's a robot and has a cool animation when he does his crit..."
Me: Yes. Instant S tier!
Freaking love this game. Easily my most replayed game in my life of gaming. That said I picked this video up in a time that I couldn't sit down and listen to the full 1 hour 14 minutes so I skipped to the end to see where you ranked everyone and wow, gotta say it's cool to see how differently people see these units. I think it also highlights different play styles. A tier list of characters from start to finish of the game with no egress grinding is going to look *very* different than a min-max game of bringing out each characters maximum potential. I hope to be able to come back this when I can watch the whole thing and get more context on why you rated the units the way you did.
I'm surprised you ranked Balb/Amon very high. You even have Balb as your avatar. In a min-max game, I'd probably rank Balb F-tier. He's only useful for his high mobility to grab chests way off the side of a map. Mediocre attack, Mediocre defense, Mediocre HP, and sacrificing range for this mobility (a sword user) he's just very lackluster. His mobility can get him in a lot of trouble too by overextending and his mediocre defenses make that a liability so in a lot of situations you aren't even using his mobility except on certain maps where he can remain close to your team and occupy squares that only flying units can occupy. But if my reasoning for using a flying unit is to keep them close to the team and make better use of the terrain to improve positioning then any flier would do the trick, and I'd always rather have Kokichi who can capitalize his flying mobility by being able to equip ranged spears which allow him to attack from many angles from a place of safety.
Also in a min-max game your bottom of the barrel shoot straight to S-tier. Adam, Bleu, Arthur - all power houses. But you have to give them the time to grow by getting them to level 20 before promotion and then when they get to about level 15 after promotion is when they start to really surpass the other units. I also gotta throw out there that a max level Adam who has his laser crit animation is probably the coolest attack animation in the game. But I think Bleu might be the best character in the entire game when leveled. High HP, High ATK, High DEF, great mobility and flying...he has nearly everything.
Also surprised to see Zylo in B-tier in any kind of list. He's amazingly powerful in almost every part of the game. He's the weakest from levels 1-8 after promotion but he scales fast, and it's honestly not that long of a wait to get a lot of value back out of him if you can stick out just of a few levels of being a little weak.
Lastly it's weird to see Anri at S-tier but Domingo at B tier. Domingo is basically Anri except he flies and has beastly defense. He's just a straight upgrade, and he trades Blaze 2 for Boost which I think gives him better utility. You just get him later in the game and takes a just a bit of grinding to get him good but he doesn't take much compared to others like Adam or Bleu.
Anyways these are just my opinions and I enjoyed looking at yours (and hope to hear them later) and I'm glad others love this old game enough to create content like this for it. Your tier list looks like a good list if you didn't plan on grinding any fights and wanted to do a straight forward play through.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head, my rankings are based on little to no grinding, a min/max would look VERY different! Appreciate the input, great to see what others think!
You play GBA version?
@@Magnus2dead Even with little/no grinding your list is absolutely garbage, nobody and i mean NOBODY who has legitimately played shining force would put Zylo and Domingo in anything but S Tier, the Birds are C Tier AT BEST and thats being generous
@dynastygirl2912 for sure. Been playing this game over and over for 30 years, and this tier list is useless. Worst I've seen relating to any rankings of literally anything, ever.
@@dynastygirl2912Zylo and Domingo have weaknesses that put them put them below S Tier. You're also underestimating the Birdmen.
Can't believe you put Zylo lower than the birds who are squishy and unncessary once you get Bleu,Domingo, and Kokichi.
You’re high for putting the birds so high. And just saw where you put Zylo.. you’re insane! He’s easy S tier. Love the vid tho I’m about 40 mins in :)
I agree. Birdmans are gold for the Silver Knight snipe in 3-3 but thats about it. They are way to weak most of the time.
I agree with the Zylo placement. He's amazing when you first get him, but in my last 2 playthroughs he fell off a few chapters later. He has consistency issues.
Hyper practicality is how I saw this guy's video.
@@davekat it felt like when i promoted him he just flopped, guess i shouldn't've done that.
@@trom_my you get to around level 8 promoted and he shoots to the moon in stats quickly getting to the point where he one-shots all units at his level
Great to see some Shining Force content in the 2020s! I'm mostly in agreement on the tier list, just one note.
Adam's able to become an absolute juggernaut if you can level him up... but that "if" is pretty huge, considering when you get him. He's almost as finicky to get going as Arthur! And you have nearly no time to do it! Love my robot boy, but he's got issues. I'd probably put him bottom of D tier, in the same vein as Arthur.
Domingo makes enemies aggro him more than your other characters though. Ton of utility and crowd control from that fact alone with his high survivability.
I was not aware of that. About to start a new plauthrough and will keep that in mind.
Maybe I just got really unlucky with the birdmen but i never found either of them to be useful whatsoever, there attack was just so low for so long. (especially amon)
Personally I believe zylo should be at least A tier. He's an absolute beast when you first get him, and still very useful even at the end of the game.
Domingo should also be an easy A if not S tier. Insane defense and very strong magic power.
For me I think Musashi is probably the best character, although Anri is extremely strong as well.
Finally I do think max also warrants an S tier, strong early game and late game with the chaos breaker is absolutely crazy (especially with freeze 3)
Of course Jogurt is simply better than adam so there we go.
Balbaroy can use the chaos breaker ;)
Hard disagree with the birds. They can't handle enemies on their own and are support at best to finish off weakened enemies, but they will quickly die if they don't stick close to the group, making their movement much less an advantage.
Agreed!
The bird boys are good in the early on and are good for maps that have lots of Desert trees, and mountains but they lose most of they're usefulness near the end unless you've been grinding them like crazy
The list sucks. Zylo and Domingo are in B. What a joke lol. Alef is super worth picking up and a C rank doesn't reflect that. Kokichi is outranked by the birdmen. It's just nonsense
I couldn't imagine using the birds over Domingo but the list was fun to check out.
Right, those birds take a hell of a lot of grinding to be worthwhile, and even then, there's always better. Domingo is the true king!
@@cam9144 No.
The Power ring was made for Balbaroy.
Give him that and a Defense Potion and he easily becomes S-Tier
@@cam9144 How is Domingo King when he runs out of Magic halfway thru the battle?
He can only cast his strongest spells a few times.
@@magacop5180 the hell he does. his stat growth is insane. I've never had him run out of mana.
@@magacop5180 Then you make him a tank.
No seriously. He has a programming quirk where enemies target him more often. And he has massive defence and hp.
I was truly shocked when you unironically placed the birdmen so high on the list. I was entirely expecting you to say "lol jk, bros, these guys are trash" and move them down to C(balbaroy) and D(amon). Perhaps it's just playstyle, but it's interesting to see how other humans enjoy the same game. To me, yea they're unaffected by terrain, but their attack is just good, and their defense is low enough that if you send them off to kill a baddie far away solo, they're unlikely to survive. I'll use Balb for a couple battles until better alternatives are presented. It's been quite awhile since I've played through this game, just going off of memory, but I just don't remember using them much.
Nitpicking:
1. You stated Diane and Hans are the same, but Diane slightly easier to raise. Therefore she should be ahead of Hans in C tier
2. Everyone can agree with Musashi being so great, including yourself, yet you placed him at the bottom of S tier...
3. Pelle has the same mobility weakness of a knight, so at best he's A tier since he's flawed and not suitable for every map. Some of the knight could grow stats can exceed Pelle, so for him to be 2 tiers above is a bit much. Mae and Earnest in particular comes to mind, and it is usually before end game.
4. Guntz is weak to magic because of low health as well as poor movement. Any other melee in B tier isn't really lacking in attack/defense in any significant way. I dare say he's C tier.
5. Domingo is great for chip damage. He doesn't have to oneshot enemies to be useful. Floating, durable, easy to level, easy to use and doesn't have to be reserved on casting . Judge him as a support hero instead of a mage and he's A tier.
6. Alef doesn't require grinding as bolting large number of enemies will give her plenty of experience. Just killing in one hit isn't the only merit of a mage. Softening the enemy for your frontline heroes to finish off is very effective. And if you do raise her, it's undeniable she hits the hardest single target as a mage. At least B tier, but really an under rated S tier.
7. I like Bleu too, but he's got the same grinding problems as Adam and Arthur, they all really should be D tier.
8. I know you like your Birdmen, but really? Not enough Swords to go around, so assuming they have the Katana when it belongs to Musashi is unreasonable. They are great, but A tier for Barb and B tier for Amon. Amon certainly has less attack in every playthrough I've done... though doomblade can oneshot despite the lower attack sometimes.
I agree with most of what you said except Bleu is S/A tier
@@chinichin238 I use Bleu in most of my runs. I am merely pointing out that Bleu would have been D tier in youtuber's own list logic. I personally would rank him between A and B. He's not S tier because he has flaws (starting out weak, joins late) and there are more versatile flying units that comes earlier (Balbaroy and Domingo).
Guntz's movement isn't slowed down by terrain effects at all (although he's obviously still a ground unit so can't cross mountain ranges, water etc). So give him the mobility ring and it'll not only solve his mobility problems, but he actually becomes your most reliably fast moving unit in the game that isn't a flier, but with a really high attack and defense. That way he becomes one of the units you can use to easily rush those wide open maps with lots of hills, desert, woodlands, etc.
Easy A-tier for me.
@@Jayce_Alexander The fact that you need to address his mobility should disqualifies him from A tier. Not a horrible unit, like I said B or C. Zylo is basically what you are praising in Guntz and doesn't require being fixed.
@@chinichin238 No.
Blue requires babysitting and grinding. He is D-Tier.
I miss this game. Games today don’t have the same feel as games back then had.
You can get the genesis collection on so many things which has this, shining force 2, nd shining in the darkness
While I strongly disagree with some of your rankings, I enjoyed watching the video.
Ironically one of my "S-Tier" characters has been put to "F" by you (Adam, who gets insane attack and defense later on), also Bleu is an absolute beast.
And while I love Balbaroy as a character (I mean the name alone is cool as hell) I've never felt he was that great.
S-Tier for me: Adam, Bleu, Domingo, Musashi, Zylo
I guess that depends on how you play the game, Bleu and especially Adam need lots of training but that's how I love that game, play every battle until you don't get much exp anymore.
Nonetheless I hope you'll do the same kind of video for SF2 and CD :)
I never really liked the birdmen myself. Domingo and Kokichi were my choice flyers. Also, Adam and Bleu's only issue is that we get them pretty late in game but if you farm kills for them they become really OP.
I made Bleu a beast one time and I was amazed at how powerful he got
Thank you! I came here to comment exactly that! Zylo, Bleu and Adam are true monsters if you level them up properly.
Seriously, I was shocked that Bleu was so low. For me he's usually the 2nd best character after Zylo or Musashi.
Arthur is a pimp daddy. Best centaur by miles by end game. Very creative of the programmers to set that up.
Agreed, I thought he was one of the worst my first few playthroughs. Never gave him a chance. I think it enabled me to give any game's characters the benefit of the doubt, moving forward.
Because of him, i then tried to level up every weak character... I had Yogurt level up a lot, thinking that maybe at some point he'll reach lv2
Yes. Blew my mind when I discovered this. Level him to 20, promote, and enjoy easy mode for the end game.
@@medleysa Really? I'm doing a new playthrough and am taking time to level and compare all characters. Currently sitting at LVL15 promoted after promoting at 20. Arthur and Ken are my two worst Paladins by quite a bit. Arthur's DEF is mid 20s, even Gong is higher, he loses 90% or more life from everything in the tower.
@@jfulmer3179 interesting. I’ve done about 10 play throughs and Arthur has always ended up the strongest if I leveled him to 20. Maybe just bad luck at level ups?
Okay final thoughts : Balb and Amon need to go down to b-/c+.. Max goes S.. Zylo A/S.. Domingo A.. Gort/Luke A.. fun watch! Thanks for the video
Glad you liked the video! What makes you think that for the birdmen and Zylo? I love Zylo, but on average he really suffers from promotion onwards, with a small chance of being a beast. Great for when he joins until then though.
Magnus_dead Zylo starts strong and then get s a little weak right after promotion (I always promote at level 10) but with a little grinding he starts sky rocketing in basically all stats.. like he gets ridiculous stat bumps at a certain point. And the birds just never did it for me, maybe I’ve just never grinded enough with them.. it’s super nice to have them cover so much ground but ultimately they always seem weaker than other characters (Amon always seemed weaker than Balb for some reason).
@@matrim6563 his play through is a speed run... meaning no grinding... that’s why Zylo isn’t an A rank.
Your play through seems to be a hybrid between efficiency and grinding.
My list would look super different from both of yours cus I like to max out everyone’s levels and get all items/secrets.
So I judge my characters on best endgame stats & abilities/game growth/development. Role play. I especially love the characters who start off like shit but end up the best. Hard work and dedication. Stuff we see in fantasy novels, shows, movies, etc.
Endgame minmaxing.
You have no idea how much I appreciate this, Shining Force is one of my favorite games of all time(top 3). I play it in as many consoles as possible, and replay it any chance I get. Love everything about it.
Instant sub!!!!
Gong is underrated IMHO. He becomes powerful once he gets past level 9-10, and can heal well, making him very versatile.
Im sorry Domingo should be in A tier at least, i normally have no issues giving him the levels he needs to get going and isn't a chore at all and then his floating fly movement makes him moble much better than the mages and then gets stats like mad.
Also if you get lucky, you can have him eliminate some key enemies on the map with his desoul.
He is a tank and a mage, and he flies... His defense gets so high that even in the final battle most enemies only deal 1 damage, and he has a lot of HP too. One of the strongest characters in the game
What an interesting video! I don't believe I've ever played Shining Force with no grinding whatsoever--the fact that you're given "grind magic" on your hero from the very start of the game, combined with the fact that you're auto-Egressed out of the fight whenever you lose means the penalty for losing effectively incorporates whatever fighting you did *as* grinding. You'd really have to be going out of your way to have a true no-grinding run in this game!
Since I've never played the game this way, I don't think I have a good basis for disputing most of your rankings--pretty much all of the coolest characters do require babying to reach their full potential. I am still a little surprised at how low you stuck Domingo, though, given where you placed Balbaroy and Amon! Domingo flies, bypasses armor even with his low-level ice magic, and can become a flying fortress of icy AOE death with a bit of effort. Most importantly, though: the AI positively *hates* Domingo. It will oftentimes prioritize directing attacks at him over even Max--even when those attacks will deal Domingo 1 damage! Even if he didn't have ice magic, this alone would make him incredibly useful.
Funny enough, having played in a similar style to what he describes here, Domingo is my biggest dispute for me as well. Partly because of the baiting and his flexible positioning, like you said, and partly because even Anri didn't reach freeze 4 for me by end game, which eliminates her big advantage over Domingo.
I think it is worth trying to play a game like this though, at least once. One nice thing about Shining Force is that most of the characters are designed to favor a number of different play styles, and you can find value in characters you may have overlooked challenging yourself to play without grinding, or with other restrictions. Especially for the game's age I think it speaks well for how intentionally designed Shining Force came out.
Thats what that spell is used for????
"Not even top tier tankyness" he has the second highest defense in the game behing guntz
My Zylo at the DD fight was probably my second strongest unit, idk what happened to yours lol
Same
I struggled with him as well, he was amazing when I first got him, then when I promoted him he got really bad, this is normal when people first get promoted but he stayed that way for a long time and I eventually replaced him... I guess RNGesus just hated my zylo
Domingo is a beast. Having him B tier is criminal. He has TONS of MP, he flies, and he has a high defense to boot. Yes, that freeze 1 to start is a little rough, but he can cast it a LOT.
used arthur through one time and forever became a staple of every play through, with some stat boosters and his magic ability after a while is too sick to leave in the bar, love seeing everyones favorites though
I know he's one of the best if you put effort into him, but he takes so freaking long to level up and getting him up there is so much of a chore that I don't bother with him.
"He's weird, he's very weird."
That's a good description all the best Shining characters!
your rankings are based on lv10 promotions, not based on lv20 promo+lv20 after promo and everyone compared in the final battle only. if it was, Arthur would be SSS tier
I have so many issues with your list that I question if you really played the game. The birds are low B to high C at best, they don't have enough damage and they are paper frail, you're lucky to get a snipe off and live to tell the tale. Kokichi is worlds above and beyond both of the birds, yet you ranked him lower. I have no idea what you're talking about with Zylo petering off, I do not know how many times I've seen +7 attack level ups with Zylo post-promotion almost every level up he's gaining 5-7 he is easily S tier. Ken and Mae are both ranked too high, they are carried by their class in which any Knight is serviceable, but they are both on the lower end of the spectrum. Domingo is a super-tank of a mage, floaty, great unit to lure as he has double priority boosts on enemy targeting being both a floaty and a mage, he's arguably more survivable than Anri while having the same core spell in the form of Freeze 4, he's easily an S tier unit. Earnest and Vankar should outrank Ken and Mae which I believe you are blinded in their ranking with nostalgia, they are carried by their class yes, as they are not Pelle level of good, but they are better than the act 1 flunkies of their race, you could just swap them in placements with Ken/Mae and it would make more sense. The elven archers in SF1 were shafted so terribly that you're lucky to see +5 attack growth from their baseline throughout your entire playthrough, they both belong in D tier. The only real issue holding Bleu back is how late in the game you get him, completely underlevelled and in dire need of babying to catch him up to the rest of the force. I've played a modded version of the game in which you can get him at level 1 and soloed the entire game with him alone, if you put any time into him he's easily A-S tier, but if you're just playing the game at a natural pace he's a D tier unit. To only have one D-tier unit on your list I feel you've overestimated too many units in the game, simply due to the fact that the game is easy, but the worst offending things I saw on the list were the placements of the birds, Zylo, and Domingo.
I agree. His rankings also made me question if he played or not lol. Zylo, Domingo, and Max should always be S-tier.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I get that this is this dudes opinion and all but it's nowhere near accurate.
I’m surprised how many characters I missed during my Journey of Great Intention.
This is a pretty good tier list. Coming from the Fire Emblem world, it's hard to find discussion on RUclips about the old Shining Force games that try and take into account how effective units are if you try to play in a skilled, fast, efficient way.
I do have some comments and questions (as everyone does) having recently revisited the first game.
1. I do feel Tao is a better mage than Anri, and I would probably drop Anri to A. This may be a consequence of how I played, but with Tao grabbing Blaze 4 so quickly, and the bird men and centaurs dominating the mid game, it's hard for me to get her the experience she requires to grab Freeze 4 before the game ends without grinding/repeating levels. You say that if you use Tao and Anri equally Anri will grow fine, but level to level Tao is the more effective fighter with better spells for most of the game. Where Anri is often chipping, Tao is killing. So instead of staying similar leveled, Tao is often pulling ahead instead. I don't see how to use them equally without essentially babying Anri. Thankfully Freeze 3 is still very good for its power and 2-3 range, and often good enough with smart positioning for all the spell casters to kill those late game Chimeras and such. But Freeze 4 is too far off in my opinion. And I think that hurts her, comparatively.
2. Similarly I would move Domingo to A. He's a tanky, hovering Anri that has the downside of an even later Freeze 4. But level to level he is easier to use, especially in terrain maps, and he has a tendency to predictably yoink enemies toward him that usually do little damage to him physically if necessary. I do agree he doesn't match the birds for most of the game though offensively.
3. I feel like Max should be lowered to B. As you noted, he has a sketchy mid game, but more than that because the levels end when he dies, he can't pull off sacrifice tactics if necessary. It's not even just about him playing more safely - though that is an issue - it's that he fundamentally lacks a powerful option for baiting and eliminating enemies where you can let a unit or two die for the greater good! And of course some of his best tools are contested, so there is more opportunity cost for him using his best weapons. It's hard for me to see ranking him sharing a rank with any of the A and S characters, or even beating most of the centaurs. But he is strong in the early game and has good growths and options, so I can't lower him more than that.
4. Is there a reason Amon is a rank below Balbaroy? Balbaroy is better, which means there is opportunity cost for Amon grabbing the best limited tools, but together they still can wreck mid game maps with power ring abuse and later strong swords. That and if for some reason Balbaroy didn't exist she can do basically all the things he can do as well. They don't feel *that* different. My top 5 S units would probably be Tao, Balbaroy, Amon, Pelle, and Musashi (if we're only ranking on performance when they're around and not the whole game, otherwise he would drop).
#3 reminds me far too much of Roy in Fire Emblem.
@@rbaws1 Hah! Feels appropriate for a tier list likely inspired by the Fire Emblem community!
@@OnlineVideoSurfer most likely. XD to be fair though, i understand the whole "hero has to fall short st times so that others can show their worth". But Roy is very.... bad. Regardless, i gotta wait for my copy of Sega Classics to get here for me to try Shining Force.
@@rbaws1 For what it's worth I think he's better than FE6 Roy was as a unit before he gets the Binding Blade. Hell I've probably used Lilina more...
But you'll see! Just like with Fire Emblem I think it's more fun to just try the units you enjoy before attempting to min max the game, and have that first experience where you don't know what's actually coming!
Great video! I really enjoyed seeing someone else's educated opinions of the characters after having replayed this game so many times as a kid. Very interesting what you said about Pelle, as I never really played him since I always assumed that he was going to be just like all the other fairly useless knights that you get around the same time as him and was sorta scared off from picking him up since he was so low leveled. I'll definitely have to take the time and use him in the future. Also, one thing I think I've noticed is that usually Gort is more consistent at hitting enemies than Luke is; I might've just been imagining things, but I swear I remember Luke missing way more than Gort did most of the time for some reason.
I love Gong enough to put some real care into him, never do a playthrough without him haha. Power Ring and a couple power wines and hes usually pretty up there attack wise until last chapter when everyone gets their best weapons. Lyle has to be my MVP though, that attack power he has has been insane for most of my playthroughs
A very informative, thorough and carefully thought out tier list. You've made me consider using the Fliers in my current but early still playthrough of SF. Thank you☺
i love how you posted this the exact same day i got bored from quarantine and randomly thought back to this game. It was meant to be
One year later and I still think this is one of the best tier list videos I've watched. appreciate the effort you put in and the depth you went into regarding every character. You give great points for discussion about each character and although I have some descrepancies, I can see why you came to your conclusions. Adam vs. Yogurt segment still cracks me up. Cheers!
I would argue that Dianne is better than Hans because the effort you have to put in to make Hans as good as Dianne out of the box isn't worth just leveling someone else and using Dianne
I fixed it for you:
S Class- Zylo, Anri, Kokichi, Mushashi
A Class- Bleu, Guntz, Tao, Domingo, Max, Pelle
B Class- Gong (only healer I ever use), Gort, Luke, Hanzou, Mae, Ernest, Khris
C Class- Alef, Torasu, Ken, Vankar, Lyle
D Class- Lowe, Diane, Balbaroy, Arthur
F Class- Amon, Adam, Jogurt, Hans
No offense but I've played this game probably 100 times by now and your ranking is crazy. But also, always happy to watch someone else nerd out on SF as much as I do!
Blue over Arthur? I guess you never leveled Arthur.
How dare you bad mouth jogurt
Dude. For real? Zylo, Blue, Domingo, And Max are EASILY S-ranked. They are beast endgame. Gort and Mae A-rank, their defense and HP are phenomenal.
I think you're overestimating Domingo
@Hajime_Hinata973 I think your underestimating him. He has a high mobility, a high defense rate, plenty of hps to tank, he can use magic, and he can fly. Those traits alone make him top tier. Try him out next time if you haven't had a chance to rip it up with him.
@@ablemayble214 oh I know what he's capable of, but he has drawbacks that keep him out of S Tier. Drawbacks like the lack of physical damage compared to any other unit (especially since he can't equip a weapon), which means he can't do a lot of damage outside of using his spells unlike mages like Tao and Anri who can still deal good damage outside of using their spells. There's also the fact that he can't fly over every single terrain unlike the other flying units that can fly over more than Domingo can, which makes him a floating unit and not a flying unit. If anything, Domingo belongs in A Tier.
@Hajime_Hinata973 I guess this is all opinion oriented. I could see him being A tier as well, considering the spell damage of the other magic casters. I personally think he's S tier. I always enjoyed using him. It's rare to find a tank magician in any game. He's a rare one.
Jogurt is unironically a better unit than Adam. Faster movement to use as a healing seed transporter and a free 50% dodge chance against any physical attack.
Also iirc Ken has the highest attack growth in the end game of normal knights. Earnest is EXTREMELY middling in all stats.
I always loved using Arthur because there's just something cool about a centaur magic user. Not the greatest, but love giving him the halberd for an extra boost. He's muh boy!
Too slow to take off though
@@LetsPlayRetroRPGs Eh, I always try to give myself a challenge by including a character that needs to be leveled hard to be good. It's either him or Bleu usually.
@@beebs_magoo alef is like that too
I appreciate the angle you take here re: a broader view of character utility but disagree with most of the list 😆. Bleu and Arthur are so easy to level up. The rougher levels with Arthur you have no choice but to have him on the force. Put the power ring on him then do just a little grinding (1) at the first Bustoke battle then (2) at the Balbazak battle. Never promote him before 20, he’ll be a beast already by then.
I think you also underestimate the utility of Arthur being able to finish off high evasion enemies with those little spells of his.
For Bleu, you spend a bit of time grinding just at the first part of the Kane battle with egress, and then he becomes the best character in the game IMO, put the mobility ring on him and he’s the Peter of SF1. Worth it IMO.
Bleu is easily A tier for me. You must've been really unlucky in your grind with him. But on al my 10+ playthroughs of the game, he has the highest stats of all characters. And the only thing that doesn't make him an s tier, is that you need to put in a small grind to get him started, before he makes it on his own. He will esentially make all other flying characters obsolete since he can do alone, what you need3 of 4 other characters to do combined. He's a flyer, a tank, can take a lot of magic damage and one shot everything except bosses. When looking at all the virtues you get with Blue, compared to the small time investment on the initial grind, he definitely places in the a tier. This is of course my opinion and I'm not expecting a revamped tier list or anything. Just wanted to share my thoughts.
I've only played through the game once but I'm surprised Bleu was ranked so high. Bleu takes a looooooooong time to be of any value. I played the game restricting myself from ever changing any characters equipment. Meaning early units were stuck with the weakest weapons forever. In such a play style most units weren't viable for endgame, whereas things like Zylo, Bleu and Adam were my theoretically valuable units since they didn't use weapons. Adam is entirely useless, if you're strong enough to get to him, you're strong enough to push to the end. Similar with Bleu, sure the baby dragon comes a bit earlier and isn't as bad, but he's not useful either since it's quicker to just keep progressing than grinding Bleu. If you like to use him, yeah he can get good stats and has good attributes, but regarding efficient play he's scraping the bottom of the barrel in worth.
If you have to grind and babysit the MF then he isn’t a good character.
Blue, Adam, Gong, Gantz etc are not top tier.
@@magacop5180 guntz has full move in terrain and immediate 1-2 range.
I'm back after many years to watch again...
I really enjoyed this content. Do one of these for shining force 2!
I definitely will do one after my Let's Play!
@@Magnus2dead I just finished up a promote everybody at level 40 run on shining force 2. I've been playing this game since it came out, and I got the most insane result with Slade this time I'm not sure how I even managed it. It is the only playthrough I can remember where Slade's attack jumped out ahead of Peter's and stayed ahead even after 70 levels gained.
Arthur gets the first Halberd you can pick up and he jumps a bit, IMO.
Zylo and Guntz are, to me, auto-include. Guntz takes everything except magic and just blinks at the minimal damage. Zylo gets up on the enemy flankers and seems to literally EAT them.
Im currently doing my first play through on SF1,amazing game, this guide helps me with direction on who to prioritze, however i missed some characters like bort, im always afraid im gonna miss an important one and wont be able to finish the game. I just got the bridmen
There are some great characters that can be missed, but none of them are so great that they make the game much harder by their absence. All of the best mages are mandatory, including Domingo who is good offensively and a great damage sponge. Bleu and Zylo are both great. Balbaroy is nice, but overrated here. As for healers, I go with Khris and Gong.
Guntz, Hanzo, Kokichi, and Musashi are strong characters who one may miss.
Most of the centaurs and archers don't seem that great at all to me. I do like Mae a lot, though.
Alef and Torasu come too late for me to find much use from them.
Give Gong your first power ring. It makes him a lot easier to level up, which can be a bit tricky and tedious early on. It will pay off: he ends up becoming a very powerful attacker once he's been sufficiently levelled up, especially after promotion. And because he can fight and sustain some punishment, he's almost guaranteed to be in the neighbourhood when one of his buddies needs healing. Unlike the other healers, you won't need to hold him back. He's super versatile, and always lasts into my late-game team. Adam, Domingo and Bleu are also characters that are absolutely worth sticking with
I appreciate the video man. This is obviously a ranking based off a zero or very minimal grinding run. With that being the case I still can't understand why the bird units are ranked so highly. The only thing they have going for the is movement but the attack, defense and HP they bring to the table are generally worse than all other melee units. How do you use them that makes you rank them so high? At least for myself I'd take almost any other melee unit than them in a zero grinding playthough and that would be even more true if I'm going to grind up my units in a playthough. Whenever I used them they always felt underpowered and the flight benefit they have at least for me couldn't make up for the fact that if they don't kill the target that would have to have been weakened for them in the first place, they take so much damage and if they flew ahead to attack someone now they are likely alone and going to be demolished with the lacking survivability they offer.
I really like your tier list. I might put Zylo higher because of his movement ability, but I agree he's unreliable a lot of the time. I'd also put Domingo higher, I *loved* that character. His magic does suffer, but when I played this game as a kid - that was never my primary use for Domingo. I used him to draw enemies and tank hits, up until the endgame. He'd save the hero in many, many battles, and I think that use is worth considering. By the time you get to endgame and he's no longer as comparatively tanky, he has enough magic to still be useful. I never had much luck with the birdmen as a kid either, though when I've gone back to the game later I reluctantly agree they can be useful.
What in tarnation! Lowe is easily one of the strongest priests and has tons of mp and hp. Healers have the easiest way to level up too. I've maxed Every character and have found that Domingo, blue, zylo, kokitchi, and Adam all are top tier. Adam if you're kind enough to save all your buffs and give him then becomes a beast. For me I always chose Domingo over anri because I use boost alot.
Arthur should deserve a higher rank
Just finished playing through (again) and my personal ranking just based on straight play, no grinding, promoting at level 10?
30: Jogurt: Duh! Grade F
29: Adam: He comes along FAR too late in the game, near the very end of chapter 7 of 8 and there just aren't enough battles left in the game to bring him up to speed unless you plan on doing battles over. Grade F
28: Alef: She would be awesome but like Adam and Torasu, she suffers from late arrival time and her Bolt spells while cool looking eat up too much magic and you will have to redo battles to get her up to snuff if you want her to be able to do more than 2 Bolt attacks. Grade D
27: Hans. Hans is good for the first 3 or 4 battles but by the time Zombies start showing up, his wooden arrows become useless. He's extremely weak when it comes to gaining stats on level ups and one time I did play through the whole game with just the original 12 and he was somewhat better by end game when you give him the buster shot but hits effectiveness is almost completely dependent on buying him the updated ammunition. Diane and Lyle on the other hand see stat growth all around while Hans just gets 1 or 2 speed per level and he STILL tends to miss flying targets! Grade D
26: Arthur. Had Arthur all the way to Dark Dragon. Promoted level 7, and he was hopelessly outclassed mostly with the power spear as I gave the Valkyrie to Ken who was always a near front line guy while Arthur was just there doing chip damage. Arthur's terrible HP stats and defense makes it almost suicidal to make him a lancer so making him a spear man is more logical. His stat growth is very slow and he needs a lot of babying to get to where he is competent. Too much trouble by end game when your bruisers are all hitting for 20-60 damage. Grade D
25: Gong. Another healer in the party and he does decent damage early on but his stats just didn't grow like Lowe and Khris. Once your front liners can start taking punches and brushing them off you don't really need 3 healers in the group. Grade D
24: Bleu. Another character that needs babying (no pun intended) I've used him in the past and got him up to impressive levels post promotion but again, too much trouble. Grade D
23: Torasu: Another late arrival who needs a lot of work but he does come with Aura. That's good if your guys are in a crowd and they get multi hit by magic attacks. Grade D
22: Amon. Flying allies are cool, but her attacks are very weak and She and Balbaroy tend to get taken out almost immediately by Pegasus Knights or even a Priests walking stick! Lame! Grade C
21: Balbaroy: See above. Both bird warriors suffer from the long stretch of NOT getting any sword upgrades to keep pace and then once you his Pao Prairie, the game starts throwing you sword upgrades after almost every battle! Feels like the game developers didn't balance that part out. Max for sure could have used a sword upgrade after battle #3 or #4. Grade C
20: Ernest: One of the coolest looking knights, but he is always just kinda there. Decent stats with each level up but again, you probably have better knights from earlier in the game. Grade C
19: Kokichi: Needs help to get going but if you keep on leveling he becomes the best flyer in the game IMHO (aside from Domingo). Or at the very least the most helpful where Bleu and the birds are out there hitting people for 1 piddly point of damage. Grade C
18: Vankar: Gets kind of a bad rap as most people are fine with Mae and Pelle and or Ken by the time he shows up, but I have seen this guy get some pretty impressive stats with each level. Gaining anywhere from 2-5 across the board on each level up isn't something to scoff at! Grade B
17: Mae: She looks cool, but my main beef with Mae is that while her defense is good, she has low HP so you gotta keep an eye on her. Also, she seems to be the slowest of the knights and misses her targets ALOT. Don't bother sending her after Giant Bats because the game just laughs at you! Grade B
16: Hanzou: I know, shocking right? Next to Musashi he is the best of the late arrivals and does good damage. Never had much luck with his Desoul spell and he is prone to missing targets. Grade B
15: Anri: Wish they started her with level 1 Freeze. Instead they make you work for it. Takes her awhile to get going but she is good by end game. Grade B
14: Guntz: Give him a mobility ring or turbo pepper so he doesn't get left behind. Once he gets promoted and is given top of the line lances, he can literally tank just about anybody not using magic. Grade B
13: Diane: Gets impressive stat boosts like defense and HP that Hans never seems to get and she even gains attack damage to make her ammo do more damage. Grade B
12: Lowe: A fine starting healer and he usually stays in my group past the halfway point. I find him more capable in a fight than Gong actually. Better healing spell growth too. Grade B
11: Musashi: Absolute beast, only held back by mobility. He's another guy the baddies like to target so if you beef up his defense he can shrug off most attacks. Grade B
10: Luke: Solid front liner, is prone to missing flying targets but end game with an Atlas he will be one shotting Torch Eyes! Grade A
9: Lyle: Best ranged fighter and I like him for taking out Torch Eyes from a safe distance. Gets some good stats once he is Level 15 promoted. Grade A
8: Domingo: Can fly, use magic, and high defense which makes him good as a decoy to allow your weaker guys to get easy exp while the enemy picks on him. Grade A
7: Ken: Horribly underrated by many gamers. Works better as a spear man because his defense isn't great but once you promote him and give him the Valkyrie he starts doing crazy damage and leveling quickly. Around promotion level 15 I have seen him get 2-5 attack, 5-7 defense and 2-7 HP. Keep in behind or along side Max as a supporter. Grade A
6: Khris: My favorite healer, just because she has a knack for hitting those pesky flying bats that everybody else is prone to missing. Also gets good stat growth post promotion. She is usually my end game healer. Grade A
5: Pelle: Best knight hands down. Gains levels quickly and quickly becomes a new favorite for the front lines. Grade A
4: Zylo: Tends to suck early on, missing targets but by promotion level 5 he starts taking off and getting great stat boosts. Becomes amazing by promotion level 20. S Tier
3: Max: Only held back from the top 2 spots by the fact that if he is knocked out, you lose the battle and he suffers early on by not getting good sword upgrades in the first half of the game. Then all of a sudden, you get to Pao Prairie and you will be giving him a new sword every 1 or 2 battles and by the time he gets the Chaos Breaker and is past promotion level 20, he can wipe the floor with a lot of opponents. Also, Max seems to get more 2 hit combos than any other character. S Tier
2: Gort: Just a beast! He will be the work horse in my group almost every time taking damage that would 1 shot many others. Gets awesome around promotion level 5 and once he has the heat axe. S Tier
1: Tao: Tao's fire magic is a must early in the game. Once she learns blaze 2 and she starts cutting enemies health by half, she gains exp quickly and most of the time she is the first one I end up promoting. Her fire magic makes her essential once the zombies start showing up in mobs. Trying to win the battle at Shade Abbey without Tao is almost impossible as everybody else's weapons are horribly weak against the zombies. S Tier
I never held out on promotion at level 20 because honestly, the game isn't THAT hard once you learn the AI's behavior.
Awesome feedback. You really love SF. Agreed about Pelle. Anri should be closer to the top (and Tao). Not a fan of Max, really low defense for someone who makes you lose the battle if he's defeated. Bowie from sf2 is much better.
Undervalued the healers while overvalued those sh#t birds. That said u make tons of amazing points. And I agree with lots of other stuff u have here. Smart and great list overall
Arthur is one of my faves. His magic helps too.
My personal ranking from my own experience and playthroughs (I'm very biased here)
Max: S
Ken: B
Luke: B
Tao: A
Hans: F
Lowe: B
Gong: C
Mae: A
Khris: S
Anri: S
Arthur: F
Balbaroy: C
Amon: C
Diane: C
Zylo: B+
Pelle: C
Valkur: A
Kokichi: S
I'm not even sure who the chipmunk is
Guntz: B- (he's actually amazing, but too slow, if you give him a mobility buff he's easily A+)
Domingo: S
Earnest: A
Lyle: B
Bleu: S
Alef: B
Torasu: C (he's good but takes too much effort to level)
Musashi: A-
Adam: F (same as torasu but exacerbated)
Ninja guy: never bothered with him. I think I used him for one battle, realized he was under level compared to the rest of the party and decided not to bother with him.
Solid list honestly (depending on perspective).
I’m looking at the list as how good they are by just getting them and no grind.
I like Adam, but he requires a ton of work, and when he gets promoted, his space movement goes from 5 to 4.
Same with Bleu (minus the movement drop). I do feel Bleu’s accuracy drop after being promoted.
Musashi: my favorite from ShF. I would make a S+ tier just for him. The only flaw is his space movement. Off that, you barley have to level him up to be good.
If I had to make a change, it would be for Domingo (I’d say B+/A-). I find him to be a one trick pony (just freeze and sponge up hits), but he does it so well.
Arthur is A tier imo. He takes work, but he is one of the best units not trash at all haha. Love your tier list. Good job.
If he takes work he’s not A-Tier.
The upper tiers are for Talented characters that excel without grinding.
@@magacop5180 🤣
How are you going to put Balbory in S tier and not Domingo? Domingo is so much easier to use, more powerful, and has way more DF. Balbory takes a bit of grinding to make good, and it isn't hard for any of the mages to grind at all.
Although Domingo is very useful and easy to use, his magic is not very powerful until way later levels, has floating vs flying (although only occasionally hindering), and less movement. Balbaroy can hold his own from the beginning, especially abusing the power ring, and once able to obtain the sword of light and chaos breaker has unlimited magic at the same power until Domingo gets to level 27, which is a pain. Even then his attack is fantastic with those overpowered weapons. Domingo is a great character that I highly recommend but doesnt get to power of others like Tao and Anri until way late since the slowdown of experience at level 20 and the fact he needs 26 levels from the middle of the game. Not impossible at all but time consuming. All of this is also my opinion from what I have experienced, seen, and analyzed, so we can still differ based on what you have experienced or seen.
@@Magnus2dead im like.... 99 percent certain that no one but Max can use either of those swords dude.... Like I would be willing to place money on it damn near.
@@mosheahvows5071 Just Google Balbaroy chaos breaker. It's a common speed run strategy. We don't know why but in the first one the birdmen can use it, making them beasts in the endgame with their flying.
@@Magnus2dead okay so i guess i was half right.... I did Google it and the birdmen can't use the sword of light, but they can use the chaos breaker. Sorry
If I can have a dragon, robot, and wind squid in my party, that’s going to happen. Trust and believe.
Swordlock is a constant difficulty for these srpg protegs, eh?
Good list, I don’t agree with a fair amount of it but that is the fun of having an opinion
Like, who?
@@LetsPlayRetroRPGs Zilo, Domingo and blue have always worked out great for me. I would have had them higher. Amon, dang I know I miss spelled that bird’s name, I would have had her much lower. kokichi would have been lower too
@@tteft zylo and Domingo are easy to include in your party. Bleu needs tons of baby sitting.
@@LetsPlayRetroRPGs yeah I forgot how much blue needs off that start
Balbaroy S tier? Tao only A? Man. No. Zylo B? Guntz is literally god tier. Wtf
Tao should be in the S tier.
So this is the tier video you said. Great. If you grind Luke and Gort will have ~90 def rendering even Dark Dragon's attack to 1. Guess that will make them S tier. Anyway, thanks for your effort on the video. 😊
Dont forget dark dragon mostly uses spells/demon breath that bypasses defenses, just like most of the endgame enemies. Plus if you grind anyone enough they are good. The point is how much effort do you you have to put in to make them good vs the other characters. But again that is my way of looking at it. I do still like my dwarves!
@@Magnus2dead I also read from somewhere that if you grind Bleu will be the strongest member.
You forgot to add that Jogurt is highly evasive.
Just another reason he's better than Adam
Balbaroy in S-Tier... That is how you know this video is a troll.
A friend showed me a trick with Domingo.
Give him the evil ring, black ring and the others and as soon as he runs out of magic, use these!
Absolutely DEVILISH how strong he becomes!
But rings can crack 👀
I played and loved this game back in the 90s. I played through it probably 5 times as a kid? I had 2 friends who also played it but didn't love as much as I did. There was no internet or stats to have any clue who would become what so you just had to grind and find out. No way of knowing HOW to find characters or hidden treasure either. You just LUCKED into it) Also as a kid I ALWAYS Elevated the Characters as soon as they reached lvl 10. Had no clue there was a reason not to. So potential was lost there obviously.
My first playthrough that I can recall I did no grinding because that wasn't even a concept to me at that point. I didn't understand the value of Egress yet. In MOST cases I ended up keeping the characters I started with because of comfort and connection to them. I know I was able to complete it but I think it was a last ditch effort on the final boss with very few characters remaining. Literally think it was a Last hit with min HP from Max. I was probably 12 or 13 at the time. It was GLORIOUS!
It was fun watching your tier list but it very much differed from my own thoughts (thinking back almost 25+ years ago).
I could never find a good use for either of the Birds. Even when I started to grind they just never brought value to ANY of my teams and near the last couple play throughs I would GRIND and I intentionally even grinded characters I didn't like. It's funny to see how Arthur is seen as so amazing by many when looking up Character lists where I agree completely with your own assessments. Though funny enough as much as I grinded even when I realized he was getting MP I never took him all the way. So I never saw him become a powerhouse.
I didn't find Domingo's existence until probably playthrough 3? He was a TOP favorite MUST from there on out. I only got Jogurt once and couldn't ever remember HOW I got him after that and even tried and failed to do so every play through after that.
I do think Shining Force II had a bigger spot in my heart looking back BUT SF1 was still AMAZING.
I think every play through always ended with the following Characters though as my starting lineup: Max; Luke (or Gort sometimes, both until end game when the really fun characters showed up); Tao (sometimes Anri but one or the other would go near end game); Zylo (one of the coolest characters in the game); Pelle (would replace all knights though sometimes Mae would stick around); Guntz (literal tank); Domingo (once figured out how to get him); Lyle (coolest Archer); Bleu (I mean c'mon a dragon!); Adam (again c'mon, a ROBOT!); Hanzou (again again c'mon a samurai!) ; Musashi (A DAMN NINJA?!?!). Finally I'd always sacrifice ONE of those final 4 with a Healer and typically that was Khris.
Again that was based on how I played as a kid. I do plan on playing the GBA version and see how that goes. It'll be fun revisiting. Cheers!
Zylo and bleu can take out a whole map by themselves.
Sword of Light is such an OP weapon. Infinite Bolt 2.
I could never rank any of the Wizards higher than B-Tier.
They all run out of magic in the later battles.
What use does a Wizard with no MP have?
You must use their spells sparsely.
Domingo should be in S tier. He is amazing. When is freeze spell gets to higher levels it cause lots of enemy damage and he has very good defense.
And Balbaroy is pretty good. I like the fact that he has flying ability and has pretty good strength BUT Amon, is not that great. She has considerably lower defense and power. I would not put her in the A tier.
I usually wind up with these people in my army:
1) Zylo
2) Pele
3) Matsuhashi
4) Tao
5) Domingo
6) Lyle
7) Luke
8) Kokichi
9) Balbaroy
10) Lowe
11) Anri
How the hell is domingo not in S tier?
I have to say in my opinion Bleu is one of the best characters in the game hands down
The birds suck. The pigeons outside my flat are stronger and Domingo is the best. Otherwise, funky list :P
Your tier list is a mess. To each there own and I guess we sometimes challenge ourselves
I think at first I thought your list was crap, but listening to the context of how you place them as more convenient then putting any effort (grinding some levels for a bit) yeah I can see your point.
One point of contention, Adam and be quite strong if you put some effort into him.
Zylo is the strongest character and it does not matter he has no weapon, he is the weapon.
He is the Chuck Norris of Shining Force 1, just overtuned, this can be felt in every playthrough.
And the main character, Max, is S Tier too. Because you funnel all the + stat items to him as he is the most important character.
Dig the video, interesting opinions on some of the characters. Hoping you have one for SF2
I've recently been doing a run where I level everyone the exact same (lvl 20 before promoting) and monitoring their stats every 5.
Gotta say, I would never have the birbs higher than C tier, yes they're fast, but that doesn't make up for their lack of combat prowess.
My S tier - Domingo, Musashi, Bleu, Zylo
My A tier - Honzou, Alef, Anri, Guntz, Adam, Kokichi
I absolutely hate the Birds and Domingo. He dies too easy and doesn't level up fast enough to bother with. I don't use any healers after the Quarry fight! My fighters and magic are level 10, Gong and Lowe are level 5, Khris is level 4. I use mostly Centaurs until I get Bleu, Zylo, Musashi, and Hanzou. I end with Arthur and Ernest, and Lyle of course. I've been playing this game for 25 years, and, in fact I just broke it out yesterday. I'm near the end of stage 4, about to get the ship. Archers are middling at best. In Shining Force 2 I use the Archers almost to the end. And I keep them as Snipers as they move better.
Are you gonna do this for other shining force games?
Is there a randomizer that changes when you get each one when possible?
Guntz is like S or high A wut. kokochi is A and busted with valkyrie, amon is only useful for micheala onwards with better swords. Yoghurt is legit good for like 2-3 fights since you can use him as a cleric with healing seeds with his high movement, and can kill 1 hp guys easier. Adam is woeful unless you hardcore boost him.
Domingo B tier is criminal.
After a dozen play throughs he's never not been on the final force.
Guntz is a beast and certainly deserves a movement item. I don't penalize characters with low movement when the game specifically gives you items to remedy their one flaw. If you prioritize Pelle and Ko for lances/spears his attack falls off very late, but Guntz is still a powerhouse.
Great video. I’m not sure how much Hans paid you to get out of D tier though. Also Domingo is the best Character 😁😁
I just realized how biased I am towards casters, only time I disagreed was Anri and Domingo.
UNLIMITED POWAH...limited squishiness..
I stop taking healers after Chapter 2. I just stock up on as much Healing Seed as I can. Next, I get rid of the birds.
I miss this game so much. I used to let everyone die or steal all the kills to overpower my hero lol
By the time I hit the bridge stage im literally blazing through the stage with no regard for my surroundings 😂
Domingo is the Best charakter in the Game! What do i miss?!
S Tier MUST : Domingo,Musashi
They are so fckn strong.
Didnt see those Birdmen so strong... tried them so many times...
I'll admit I didn't listen to most of the video, mainly because I wanted to see where you put everyone. Overall, I agree. I think Domingo should be A tier in particular. An extremely tanky character who utterly destroys enemies with magic. He'd be S tier if he could also do solid damage with a standard attack. some of the characters I never recruited because I didn't know how or was unaware I could. And also knew who my favorites were. I think you're also going to have some subjective opinion simply on the basis of liking certain characters over others. Zylo is another I'd bump higher, ignoring terrain for movement is extremely useful. I enjoyed using Arthur.. I could see him where he is on your list, or MAYBE in the C tier. A little extra range damage is helpful when he learns all level 1 damage spells (blaze, bolt, freeze?) Birdman in S tier that you have was a chore so I stopped trying to use him. As for the other centaur in S tier I had invested in the rest of my team and couldn't be bothered.
Omg this game is cool I’m on the boss level the last one I even promoted all of them and they look soo cool
This really was a good video I have watched this a couple times over the last few days. Have you done this with the other shiny forces?
Not yet, I am doing tier lists after finishing a let's play, SF2 is next and should be ending in a little bit. Glad you enjoyed it!
u should do a shining force 2 list
Highly disagree with the Domingo placing, the dude/thing is a unit, gets nearly as tanky as Guntz, while moving more with hover, huge hp pool so he can also tank magic attacks and while I agree his freeze 4 comes along slower than you'd like his movement and high agility lets him run face first into blobs and wound the lot of them while being able to tank anything they throw back at him. Easily setting you up for easy victories. I love combining him with Max and sword of light for easy mob removal. Then he eventually gets the single target nuking potential of the other mages while losing none of his prior benefits. Also he is nice to help out newer or low leveled units if he wants to just soak dmg and play back seat with his boost spell. Make's early Arthur/Bleu/etc much more tolerable. Also as a mage he will shoot through all but his very first few levels as basically any aoe spell gives you at least 30 odd exp so as long as he's doing his part he will level fast and since there's no promotion he will never dip like many others do.
Domingo is class S (best spell caster due to flying and redcualious defensive and HP). As you said Author is the best character in the game if you lv him up (he is the magickarp of the game) also S-class, keep the halbert on him. Earnest is a solid B class. Blu can kill each head of the last boss in 3hits and he has the most HP in the game and defense on par with Guntz (solid s class). Alf is really good needs to be a A-class maybe B class, due to getting her so late. Hans and Diane are D-class. Adam has the 3rd best defense but cause of that I would put him on D-class. Just my two cents.
But Domingo can’t only cast spells like 2-3 times.
😂
@@magacop5180 but once he is out of magic. He is a great decoy. They love to attack him and cause he has high def it allows you other characters to dominate the board.
@@joshuacoons9517 ...They don't attack him because of his high defense: As another Commenter pointed out, they had another character with really high defense that they wanted to use as a Tank, but the Enemies never attacked him (forget which one: Maybe Gruntz or Adam ?). This is simply a case of "Threat": The Enemy AI just views him as a threatening character that needs to be eliminated. Altho, that AI should probably be fixed to account for an empty mana pool :P
@@nikolaikalashnikov4253 Domingo always gets attacked cause he is a mage. The AI is geared to go to Max first, then mages, then healers then warriors. This is why they will attack author before May or Ken. But they will attack any other mage or healer before Arthur. Another reason Arthur is the goat. He can go mostly unnoticed if you have. Healer or Domingo around him. He hits as hard as Ken (after you level him up) and has the magic ability of every magic user (mind you at the lv 1 spell only).
@@joshuacoons9517 ...Yeah, I know they decompiled SF2 and I've taken a look at the code for the Minecraft AI, which is really small in size, but yeah, such a priority threat list that you're talking about makes sense: It would be small & simple to code. Thanks for the info about Arthur too !!!
Arthur is the strongest horse in every category once max lvl
True! My favourite centaur, and ony one centaur that i use
Gong is the best unit.... slow and steady wins the race..... slow and steady PUNCH YO FACE!!!!!
I love Gong, and sometimes he is an absolute beast! Other times he does 1 damage through the end game...
I would've like to see Egress mentioned. It's kinda silly but I think it makes Max the best character in the game
*angel wing? Am i right?*
@@sinyngeh yep
If you take the effort to grind Adam to lvl 20, promote and grind him again he is well worth is (same with Bleu). It takes a fair bit of effort but he is (becomes) fun to play with. Tip: Use "Boost" and "Quick" to grind faster. My favorite characters are: Guntz, Bleu, Zylo, Domingo, Luke and Musashi
Leveling to 20 before promotion though. It changes the game somewhat.
I think this list was made ass backwards intentionally so the comments would flame.
He just based this on his own no grind runs
Yeah I think its a casual play pace, which still doesn't explain the birds, I have tried multiple times to use them and I just can't, they are hot garbage, I have been hearing about "Balboroy speed runs" so I might look into that to see what that is about.
Gurghit or whatever you may call it. It's a F character. Now, granted, if you want to train him/her to A, B, or C, you are looking at grinding lot and lot of time.
When it is optional to grind time for training that character, it doesn't change the rating. It's a novelty character. Domingo, ninja guy, and Gurghit are examples of novelty character.
It is consider a novelty character if you are looking for "hidden reward". It is kind of like getting a deck of card on said character. They aren't essential enough to rate them for better raiting. Grindfest don't counts.
I’d put Zylo and Domingo in A, and Balb, Amon, Tao and Anri are in low A/high B.
Domingo is both a flier and mage that is tanky to boot; the AI flags fliers and mages in who they will attack and Domingo is both, so it’ll draw the aggro from all enemies who can attack it(which is good since the only character enemies will prioritize over Domingo is Max). Domingo is good to draw in groups of enemies that you don’t want others to (mixture of physical and magic enemies will drain their HP quickly, but Domingo can tank them no problem). It may start off at level 1, but it’s stats aren’t as bad compared to some of your other units and you can get a lot of mileage out the levels it gets (more so than any of the other units that need levels to be good). It does fall off endgame, but that shouldn’t discount how useful it is throughout.
The above statement applies to Zylo, as well; he starts good, he maintains being good throughout.
Balb and Amon are fliers with 1-range weapons; they’re good, but not the best (I know this isn’t Fire Emblem, but there are advantages in having ranged weaponry).
Tao and Anri are low A/high B largely because of survivability; what good is killing one enemy if your mage dies during the next enemy turn.
Otherwise, I agree with where you placed most of the characters.
Tao is arguably the best char in the game
Bruh I've been grinding this game to hell. I'm talking most characters promoted level 20+ and I just got Torasu & Alef. I need help😭