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I had one odd game in SF2 where Tao was my highest attacker.

Vicar is pronounced similarly to wicker.

Great video. Loved it. However, an Ironman means using worst equip, permadeath means no revive. I watched the video that you referenced throughout, and it was painful for me to get through because of his opinions and his mistakes. Still entertaining though. For the record, Im team Magnus lol.

Unironically, Diane is the most useful Archer

Arthur is B tier at least. He's LITERALLY the only Knight with an AoE attack, and he snowballs real quick.

I decided a few weeks ago that after 3 Decades of playing this game I would give Authur a chance…. And it’s been a complete waste of time. Everyone 1-hit kills him. I promoted at 13 and he’s at 15 and he STILL SUCKS. Dude is so weak I put the cursed Lance and the strongest Cursed ring.

For being new to the series, I am extremely surprised by how many playable characters there are in this game alone.

I actually wouldn't put Max in any tier list per se. Unlike all other characters, you cannot not use him. He always will be in your party. So no matter what, he's there. Even if he had the stats of Yogurt, you would be required to have him in your party.

I always love seein May in a thumbnail

Ghey are all the same without much variation if you remove the nothing at level up chance. Just reroll using a save state until something is acquired, not the best but something. Gort and Luke are exactly the same. Birds are better MC's, exactly the same stats as the MC using the agility ring but much better movement. The only truly different characters are the one of a kind, xylo, bleu, musashi, kokichi, etc.

Good analysis and at the end of the day, shining force is great because you can beat the game using your favorite characters regardless of powergaming. Advice for new players, dont worry about it to much. I beat the game when i was 5. What i usually do is get characters to lvl 10 and then compare them with like characters. For example luke and gort. Ill play with the guy that has better stats at lvl 10. Sometimes i play lvl 10 and promote, sometimes i play lvl 20 and promote. Lvl 20 and promote is a lot easier of a playthrough. Another piece of advice if you like playing with a character and you are worried about them keeping up. Give them all the stat boosting items or powerful rings you get. You get enough characters on your roster that even if your favorite character falls a little behind, the other characters will carry them. Adam gets a bad rap but he is easy to level up and can become a monster. Give him a turbo pepper and attack boosting ring, hell do you solid. I used him all the time when i was a kid and he always ended the game geeling strong.

I love this game but one thing people forget when max vs bowie. Max didnt need spells the chaos breaker can not break and cast freeze 3 i believe. Bowies sword has no spell. Also may is an archer it should be common sense to fight her from behind bigger characters. I mean are you going to run kazin to the front line.

They are all the same if given something at every level up. Gort is the same as luke, the birdmen become as strong as your character, khris torasu and lowe can hit as hard as gong but have better spell progression and initiative. Just save state scum, no excessive use just something every level. Collage the unit status cards together, warriors, archers, centaurs, etc. All the same with only minor variations.

Zylo is the strongest character and it does not matter he has no weapon, he is the weapon. He is the Chuck Norris of Shining Force 1, just overtuned, this can be felt in every playthrough. And the main character, Max, is S Tier too. Because you funnel all the + stat items to him as he is the most important character.

The End?

This game looks so much better with a good CRT filter and a slight curve

Could just be me being a sucker for redeemed villain archetypes but I always found Lemon to be one of the best characters. Shame that by the time you get him the game is basically over. The only thing I think I could maybe disagree on is I'd put Slade in S tier, and I personally never found Screech that bad.

I'm back after many years to watch again...

I have a game on hardest difficulty with every character pre promoted lvl 40 and post lvl 40 or higher also have casual games game is fun either way

If you give Luke your defense potions you will NOT be sorry!!

Balbaroy in S-Tier... That is how you know this video is a troll.

If you take the effort to grind Adam to lvl 20, promote and grind him again he is well worth is (same with Bleu). It takes a fair bit of effort but he is (becomes) fun to play with. Tip: Use "Boost" and "Quick" to grind faster. My favorite characters are: Guntz, Bleu, Zylo, Domingo, Luke and Musashi

Your b Tier is my entire party choice plus Tao 😂

Surprised Amon is in the same tier as Tao, Max, and Hanzou while singlehandly being one of the more useless characters in the game considering balbaroy is just better in almost every aspect although balbaroy isn’t really good enough to be in S tier for speed runs yeah but in actual casual gameplay he’s more of a B tier character and I’d say kokichi is more viable since he can wield spears and lances definitely considering the Valkyrie here and Amon is definitely a C tier if not D tier simply because she’s outclassed the second you get her and I think bleu is ranked a bit lower than expected he’s definitely viable enough to go B tier and that crit animation is insane

domingo should be A. one of the few units not made of paper, ai magnet, nice spells. actually I'd argue he should easily be S. he is always useful at all times, and is the only unit i never took out of the party once after their recruitment. diane should be B. good attack out of the box unlike hans, 3 range, and full move in forest when you can't use lyle max should be B. he is terrible in the mid game. aleph should be A. Bolt is so much better than the other fire and ice. wolf should be A. he falls off in the endgame but his huge movement and good attack is very useful for most of the game. rest is ok. birds definitely belong at the top with all the terrain vomit lol. It's quite telling that I took my Amon who was warming the bench for the most of the game for a forest map and she still managed to contribute a bit.

Balboroy is in no way S tier. He can fly. He is not strong, he is not needed, you must take care of him just like Arthur (granted not as much) and the so called "usefullness" is null and void because you just don't need it. You can easily beat this game with just 3 people in your party or solo with Max. Zolo is one of the strongest characters in the game, from you get him until the end. The weapon doesn't matter, he does not fall behind at all. No idea what you are talking about. Have you played a buggy game or a US version that I have never experienced in my million plays on multiple platforms?

His promotion class is a freakin Kaiju he should gain 20Hp at least

Zylo in B tier and Amon in A?! Holy crap I’ve never once put Amon on my team let alone consider him above Zylo. Also Gong love? No Gong love?!

Domingo is a beast. Having him B tier is criminal. He has TONS of MP, he flies, and he has a high defense to boot. Yes, that freeze 1 to start is a little rough, but he can cast it a LOT.

I have always used randolf 😂

Im getting lucky with Zylo Hes been leveling up pretty good good hp, good defense amazing attack

Jogurt is unironically a better unit than Adam. Faster movement to use as a healing seed transporter and a free 50% dodge chance against any physical attack. Also iirc Ken has the highest attack growth in the end game of normal knights. Earnest is EXTREMELY middling in all stats.

I always liked ranged play and got alot of use fro Elrik and Janet

Just finished playing through (again) and my personal ranking just based on straight play, no grinding, promoting at level 10? 30: Jogurt: Duh! Grade F 29: Adam: He comes along FAR too late in the game, near the very end of chapter 7 of 8 and there just aren't enough battles left in the game to bring him up to speed unless you plan on doing battles over. Grade F 28: Alef: She would be awesome but like Adam and Torasu, she suffers from late arrival time and her Bolt spells while cool looking eat up too much magic and you will have to redo battles to get her up to snuff if you want her to be able to do more than 2 Bolt attacks. Grade D 27: Hans. Hans is good for the first 3 or 4 battles but by the time Zombies start showing up, his wooden arrows become useless. He's extremely weak when it comes to gaining stats on level ups and one time I did play through the whole game with just the original 12 and he was somewhat better by end game when you give him the buster shot but hits effectiveness is almost completely dependent on buying him the updated ammunition. Diane and Lyle on the other hand see stat growth all around while Hans just gets 1 or 2 speed per level and he STILL tends to miss flying targets! Grade D 26: Arthur. Had Arthur all the way to Dark Dragon. Promoted level 7, and he was hopelessly outclassed mostly with the power spear as I gave the Valkyrie to Ken who was always a near front line guy while Arthur was just there doing chip damage. Arthur's terrible HP stats and defense makes it almost suicidal to make him a lancer so making him a spear man is more logical. His stat growth is very slow and he needs a lot of babying to get to where he is competent. Too much trouble by end game when your bruisers are all hitting for 20-60 damage. Grade D 25: Gong. Another healer in the party and he does decent damage early on but his stats just didn't grow like Lowe and Khris. Once your front liners can start taking punches and brushing them off you don't really need 3 healers in the group. Grade D 24: Bleu. Another character that needs babying (no pun intended) I've used him in the past and got him up to impressive levels post promotion but again, too much trouble. Grade D 23: Torasu: Another late arrival who needs a lot of work but he does come with Aura. That's good if your guys are in a crowd and they get multi hit by magic attacks. Grade D 22: Amon. Flying allies are cool, but her attacks are very weak and She and Balbaroy tend to get taken out almost immediately by Pegasus Knights or even a Priests walking stick! Lame! Grade C 21: Balbaroy: See above. Both bird warriors suffer from the long stretch of NOT getting any sword upgrades to keep pace and then once you his Pao Prairie, the game starts throwing you sword upgrades after almost every battle! Feels like the game developers didn't balance that part out. Max for sure could have used a sword upgrade after battle #3 or #4. Grade C 20: Ernest: One of the coolest looking knights, but he is always just kinda there. Decent stats with each level up but again, you probably have better knights from earlier in the game. Grade C 19: Kokichi: Needs help to get going but if you keep on leveling he becomes the best flyer in the game IMHO (aside from Domingo). Or at the very least the most helpful where Bleu and the birds are out there hitting people for 1 piddly point of damage. Grade C 18: Vankar: Gets kind of a bad rap as most people are fine with Mae and Pelle and or Ken by the time he shows up, but I have seen this guy get some pretty impressive stats with each level. Gaining anywhere from 2-5 across the board on each level up isn't something to scoff at! Grade B 17: Mae: She looks cool, but my main beef with Mae is that while her defense is good, she has low HP so you gotta keep an eye on her. Also, she seems to be the slowest of the knights and misses her targets ALOT. Don't bother sending her after Giant Bats because the game just laughs at you! Grade B 16: Hanzou: I know, shocking right? Next to Musashi he is the best of the late arrivals and does good damage. Never had much luck with his Desoul spell and he is prone to missing targets. Grade B 15: Anri: Wish they started her with level 1 Freeze. Instead they make you work for it. Takes her awhile to get going but she is good by end game. Grade B 14: Guntz: Give him a mobility ring or turbo pepper so he doesn't get left behind. Once he gets promoted and is given top of the line lances, he can literally tank just about anybody not using magic. Grade B 13: Diane: Gets impressive stat boosts like defense and HP that Hans never seems to get and she even gains attack damage to make her ammo do more damage. Grade B 12: Lowe: A fine starting healer and he usually stays in my group past the halfway point. I find him more capable in a fight than Gong actually. Better healing spell growth too. Grade B 11: Musashi: Absolute beast, only held back by mobility. He's another guy the baddies like to target so if you beef up his defense he can shrug off most attacks. Grade B 10: Luke: Solid front liner, is prone to missing flying targets but end game with an Atlas he will be one shotting Torch Eyes! Grade A 9: Lyle: Best ranged fighter and I like him for taking out Torch Eyes from a safe distance. Gets some good stats once he is Level 15 promoted. Grade A 8: Domingo: Can fly, use magic, and high defense which makes him good as a decoy to allow your weaker guys to get easy exp while the enemy picks on him. Grade A 7: Ken: Horribly underrated by many gamers. Works better as a spear man because his defense isn't great but once you promote him and give him the Valkyrie he starts doing crazy damage and leveling quickly. Around promotion level 15 I have seen him get 2-5 attack, 5-7 defense and 2-7 HP. Keep in behind or along side Max as a supporter. Grade A 6: Khris: My favorite healer, just because she has a knack for hitting those pesky flying bats that everybody else is prone to missing. Also gets good stat growth post promotion. She is usually my end game healer. Grade A 5: Pelle: Best knight hands down. Gains levels quickly and quickly becomes a new favorite for the front lines. Grade A 4: Zylo: Tends to suck early on, missing targets but by promotion level 5 he starts taking off and getting great stat boosts. Becomes amazing by promotion level 20. S Tier 3: Max: Only held back from the top 2 spots by the fact that if he is knocked out, you lose the battle and he suffers early on by not getting good sword upgrades in the first half of the game. Then all of a sudden, you get to Pao Prairie and you will be giving him a new sword every 1 or 2 battles and by the time he gets the Chaos Breaker and is past promotion level 20, he can wipe the floor with a lot of opponents. Also, Max seems to get more 2 hit combos than any other character. S Tier 2: Gort: Just a beast! He will be the work horse in my group almost every time taking damage that would 1 shot many others. Gets awesome around promotion level 5 and once he has the heat axe. S Tier 1: Tao: Tao's fire magic is a must early in the game. Once she learns blaze 2 and she starts cutting enemies health by half, she gains exp quickly and most of the time she is the first one I end up promoting. Her fire magic makes her essential once the zombies start showing up in mobs. Trying to win the battle at Shade Abbey without Tao is almost impossible as everybody else's weapons are horribly weak against the zombies. S Tier I never held out on promotion at level 20 because honestly, the game isn't THAT hard once you learn the AI's behavior.

I’m surprised how many characters I missed during my Journey of Great Intention.

Arthur gets the first Halberd you can pick up and he jumps a bit, IMO. Zylo and Guntz are, to me, auto-include. Guntz takes everything except magic and just blinks at the minimal damage. Zylo gets up on the enemy flankers and seems to literally EAT them.

I appreciate the angle you take here re: a broader view of character utility but disagree with most of the list 😆. Bleu and Arthur are so easy to level up. The rougher levels with Arthur you have no choice but to have him on the force. Put the power ring on him then do just a little grinding (1) at the first Bustoke battle then (2) at the Balbazak battle. Never promote him before 20, he’ll be a beast already by then. I think you also underestimate the utility of Arthur being able to finish off high evasion enemies with those little spells of his. For Bleu, you spend a bit of time grinding just at the first part of the Kane battle with egress, and then he becomes the best character in the game IMO, put the mobility ring on him and he’s the Peter of SF1. Worth it IMO.

I hate how everyone says the healers are weak and should remain in the rear. Screw that. I promote them quickly within 2 chapters and I place them both on the front lines. By the end of the game they can go toe to toe with the strongest enemy's later in the game.

Good list, I don’t agree with a fair amount of it but that is the fun of having an opinion

Ну тир листа нужно 2, один когда повышаешь всех на 30/40 уровне и один когда повышаешь 20/22 уровне. Совершенно две разные игры. Первая намного легче, но играть будут разные персонажи. Плюс Мифрил, если искать предметы сейв/лоад, то сильные персы с хорошим оружием. И наоборот, если не искать, то резко растёт ценность Герхольд, Зинк, Клод и даже Кайви, а также магов...

SHIT TIER LIST.... I NEED THE ONE WITH THE GRIND... THE REAL TIER LIST FOR HARD GAMERS!!!

Here's my opinion on this list.... I like Shining Force. Controversial, I know.

Higgins is hot trash, but he's already promoted, so he can use Mithril Weapons, and since we ignore the horsey boys in this game, that makes Higgins the best Centaur by default! ...until you get Jaro, or unless you took Eric...

I'm blown away by how many channels have done this style of video

Chester's huge HP pool vs his low defense is more a problem than an advantage. He becomes costly to heal and by mid game an enemy healer can physically double taps him into a grave.

48:47 We could say Sheela is actually the second Master Monk since you can only have 2 and she appears last... 🤓

The no investment needed reason you give for Gyan being better than Randolf, is the same reason you say Sheela is worse than karma or Sarah. So if Sheela needs no investment how is she worse? Contradict yourself a few times.

Gong is underrated IMHO. He becomes powerful once he gets past level 9-10, and can heal well, making him very versatile.

I’ve had NO issues with using May