When Adar said that, all I could think is “please make that happen, please make that happen “. Sure it breaks lore but what isn’t breaking lore in this show.
The story of Khazad Dum now revolves around two dwarves who are defending the only mine shaft in Khazad Dum from all six of the king's miners. But then the six miners join the two defenders, so now all dwarves in Khazad Dum are united against the king, all eight of them. But oh no! The king fights himself through the four guards assigned to guard him, leaving the other four dwarves to scramble back and go after him.
The "mithril dust" that was really Sauron's blood was so nonsensical, because Celebrimbor needs to weld the stuff into the rings, he treats it as if it were a metal. He would immediately notice that the blood/mithril did not behave as he expected when he tries to add it to the rings. Even if he wouldn't figure out directly he was being tricked, he still would have failed to make the Rings and wondered why the "mithril" refused to mix with the other alloys. Even if you buy that Sauron could fake all the other stuff around Celebrimbor, he can't fake the very material that he is working with as a smith. It's as if you're giving a carpenter a sack of jelly and cast an illusion spell over it to convince him it's a plank. No matter how good your illusion, the carpenter would never be able to work this "plank" into a table.
@@dinmavric5504 Who cares? People care about these things when Tolkien wrote it, because he made his world self-consistent, and researched and revised everything carefully. By contrast, ROP is just meaningless waffle.
They don't show any powerful characters in the show. All feel weak. Everything feels "small and short", I agree. It's not like Gandalf fighting the Balrog or Gandalf and Galadriel fighting Sauron in the Hobbit, Sauron just moves things from time to time and gets totally destroyed by orcs. It's very pathetic!
The mountain collapsed because it forgot to look up, like ships do. Coming from the same people who had a volcano fling huge boulders from Mordor to Rhovanion, but ash rain only in its direct vicinity, it's what I've come to expect.
The "city" looks like, as if there just live max. 50 people, maybe 10 soldiers, and it's more like a small castle, not a city. Meanwhile I can't tell, how many orcs attack. 100? 300? 800? It doesn't seem like that much. It's so boring!
It's only a city in cgi establisher, the actual set is just the tower, a small wall and the center place, 5 archers, 5 civilians and that boring blonde girl hiding on top of a wall while siege!
Not that the writers communicated, intended or even thought this, but Celebrimbor realizing he’s been occupying an illusion, the hammer smashing the window could be the physical symbol his mind needed to “smash” the illusion he was trapped in. So, that could’ve not only “made sense” but have been brilliant from a psychological perspective and give the viewer some more insight into how Sauron’s illusion spells work, it’s not enough just to realize it’s an illusion, you need a symbol/totem to break free of it. The writers either didn’t think of this, or if that was what they intended, they did it so poorly, I had to create it in my own head cannon.
The writers are a bunch of fools. Celebrimbor is the grandson of Feanor, he would not go down without a proper fight... and yet in this show he's a deluded senile man... not even Elf.
‘Prepare for ground assault’ - directly ripping off General Rieekan in The Empire Strikes Back. Also - what other kind of assault might the land-dwelling, wingless orcs mount? 🤦🏻♂️
To show just how stupid the writer's thinking about this battle was all they had to do was look at history. In 332 BC, Alexander the Great sieged the island city of Tyre. The city had walls up to the sealine so it was impossible to land troops. It's all similar to the siege of Ost-In-Edhil with the river blocking access to the city walls. Alexander, reaching his wits end, built a causeway, an entire landmass still existing today connecting the mainland to the island. He literally created a peninsula, look it up. He sieged the city from this landmass gradually approaching and protecting his troops with fortifications until the city surrendered. Imagine a similar scenario with Ost-In-Edhil. Sadly, these writers are absolute hacks and creatively bankrupt.
I've said before they're too much like JJ Abrams. They capture the surface elements of better material but fail to understand the depth which made the original material so impactful. It's all style with no substance. They want to capture a moment like Boromir's death but they give us an unknown character hit by arrows from all over by invisible orcs (who fail to shoot anyone else like that) then we have the 90s sport movie shot (stole this from Charlie Hopkinson) of the slow moving object that hits it target as everyone watches with bated breath then it inexplicably explodes (how did medieval fantasy elves know this would happen?). Boromir's death was a redemption arc for the character and he was able to tell the others that the hobbits had been captured not killed. It served a purpose. That explosion in ROP was the equivalent of taking out one Panzer tank in the Battle of the Bulge. Other than looking cool for the slow-witted out there easily entertained by shiny fluff, that death-explosion scene served no purpose.
Right? I have to say that is my biggest disappointment with this series. They should have omitted the Halbrand stuff completely and just focused on the elves and Annatar. We could have had multiple seasons of a sort of power politics at play in Eregion between the characters of Galadriel, Celebrimbor, and Annatar in which he slowly, through Machiavellian scheming, turns the elves and Celebrimbor against Galadriel to the point of her banishment from the city. It could have been a sort of Game of Thrones type plotting and would have been really amazing to see. Instead, it seems like Sauron is just lucky rather than a master manipulator... Sad.
@@Lord_NordanThat is a good plan. But you see the people in charge of this are hmm morons. So it would have been awful no matter what they tried. So sad
Yes, I don’t agree that the Sauron depiction was reasonable. First of all he is made out to be a simp for Galadriel, which is a hell of a stretch for a Maiar. Secondly, he is portrayed as altogether too conflicted. He may have originally had relatively noble intentions, but by the time of the second age, he was as fundamentally evil as his former master Morgoth. Finally, because they have collapsed the timeline to a ridiculous extent, and because they couldn’t be bothered to actually give it any thought, his influence over the elves of Eregion devolved into a bit of woo woo magic, instead of deception and manipulation. It’s the typical deus ex machina that we’ve come to expect of lazily written shows like this.
Sorry, but why he can cut the metal with the cutting thingy, but when it comes to his escape he only thinks about cutting his thumb?! Am I missing something??!
The catapults are clearly unrealistic. I mean do you really expect us to believe that such devoted orc-fathers are going to have the time and energy to invent and build siege weapons with the range, accuracy and firepower of howitzers?
also either the orcs had towed/pushed those massive war maschines through multiple dense forrests or they hab build them right at the river bank without any noice and elven guards noticing... and only Sauron seemed to notice the smoke columns rising in the forrest the day before the assault
Feel like disa is the boss. Not durin. And I have a sick feeling that disa is gonna fight the balrog and win somehow... gross. Everytime she sings it's the most cringe thing ever. I hate it. And her poses. She had to have the power stance and her front let exposed and showing in every scene.
I started watching this during season 2, and I kinda liked Disa? By episode 5 or so I can't stand her, mostly because of the way she was written. She's right exactly when she needs to be so she's infallible. She pushes Durin to encourage his father to agree to the ring collaboration, and when we find out the rings are bad, she does a 180 and pushes Durin to stand up to his father. Not even a "I was wrong. Sorry, my bad." No consequences. Ugh.
I'm a girl and oh god Disa absolutely ground my teeth from the first scene. The actor is so insufferably smug and superior. When she talked about the tree and said "he tends it like it's his third child" she looked at Durin with almost resentment and contempt. Not affection or gentle teasing. I see this trend over and over - insufferable blåck American female characters who are absurdly hostîle, rude, and aggressive to white or male characters, but the writer clearly expects the audience to sympathise with her. And she's always played by insufferable, condescending, narcissistic actors who are SO proud of themselves bringing "diversity empowerment bla bla bla". No acting skills though. I don't know a single woman like this in real life. It's a revenge fantasy by Hollywood misandrists. As a feminist I have no problem saying that. It's very obvious to me.
The massive chunky thigh-exposing costumes are so absurd, so unflattering and silly, and so badly and cheaply made, that they look like an "I'm woman hear me roar" parody 😂 I have no idea how those actresses aren't furious at the costume department.
Wow, you were able to point out even more stupid points and scenes than I reallized before. Didn't think that was possible. It's literally nearly every minute of the show thats in some way illogical, nonsensical, unrealistic, badly written, badly acted, not shown, badly shown, constructed, boring, not needed or contradictory. Or many of these things at once. They managed to make me more invested into the orcs fate, than into the elve's, because at least they showed that the orcs didnt want to fight and want to protect their families, while in contrast showing nothing in this regard at all on the elves side. It's pretty impressive.
Im calling it now, mythril dust is what makes everyone become peter pan and teleport to destinations when it suits. Disa will sing the balrog to sleep ready for the 3rd age, and Sauron will tell Galadriel " no, i am your father." 😂😂 Iconic screenwriting, guess im hired by amazon now 😂
And another thing, how they present Annatar shows that the ROP show runners, could’ve done the Elves properly, Annatar looks & acts how we expect the Elves to act, but for some reason, they CHOSE not to do the Elves correctly. I have no idea why? They have no shame ripping off Peter Jackson multiple times every episode, so that’s not the reason they didn’t base the Elves off of Jackson’s interpretation? Why do you think they didn’t?
They didn't imitate Peter Jackson's elves because they wanted to emulate other people - themselves! Just take a look at the two milky-faced reddish blond show-runners, and add their female sidekicks - and voila - you look at the models for Elrond, Celebrimbor and Galadriel. And Galadriel's dead brother also reminds me of the show-runners 😉
Because if they wrote the ROP elves as the LOTR elves are written to be, the showrunners would have no way to intelligently write Celebrimbor(or any other elf) being fooled by Sauron. The showrunners are either dimwits, lazy, or both. Even WB game studios was able to effectively circumvent writing a hyper intelligent Sauronic plot, by showing Sauron's influence temporarily making Celebrimbor mad or at least delusional enough to go along with Sauron's plan. All the while thinking to destroy Sauron with his own power, which is folly, as darkness cannot defeat darkness.
@@johnwiks2597 fun fact, in lore Celebrimbor was also suspicious of Annatar and the other elven smiths created the first 16 rings. Only after Sauron left to forge the master ring, did Celebrimbor take up the hammer and created the 3 elven rings.
The first air shots of the city shown dont have walls, it is actually like an open beach entrance. Also if the river dries up wouldn't the orcs be under the level of the city walls?
also the northwestern river loses half its width and the mountain the orcs later collapse is also ( i guess by Disa ) created new. That the sun is rising in the north over a nonexisting hill behind a ( in the show now driedup ) river, that is in the south of the city is probably a mood point...
@@ehernandez6328 yes they do, but it is a massive evidence that there is zero planning in the writing room. they do not know what they are doing... no overall planning beforehand
Adar to orc: "If she speaks again, cut out her tongue." Orc: presses his knife on Galadriel's neck. That should be enough to understand the quality of writing for this show.
I think this degradation of J.R.R. Tolkien's masterpiece should be cancelled. Even without seeing the series and only following the reviews, it hurts my soul to see so many atrocities, so much gross tampering and manipulation of his legacy. This series looks so absurd, so hopeless that it reminds me of when Frodo and Sam at the crossroads find the severed head of the king's statue desecrated by Sauron's forces. This cannot, this must not continue. Thank you for the sacrifice of seeing this train wreck.
Ursula K LeGuin apparently said that unfaithful adaptations like this are "zombies", having no real lasting life of their own in the cultural imagination, but only a sort of half-life. It reminds me of Game of Thrones. Once the quality of the writing went down and the show ended, it became almost like a fever dream in the collective consciousness. It was forgotten more quickly than people ever imagined, and any emotional attachment people had to it also died before the show even died. And that show was fantastic at the start - RoP never was. So maybe it's some consolation that this show will be forgotten almost before it ends. It won't have any real life in the collective memory in the way that Jackson's films will.
It's tough to make a character who was killed in the first episode seem like a threat seven episodes later. The writers room for this show is a bunch of toddlers playing around. The battle and the siege was really just awful. Adar... such a great threat that he has only one troll at his command Everything feels small. The idea that Sauron would have just one chieftain... He would have dozens, and they would all answer to him because they have to. He controls and maintains everything. They should watch the Peter Jackson movies again, specifically Azog's army in The Hobbit. Those are legions. This show is a joke. I can't say that they even have good cinematography because they don't. They don't have good writing, they don't have good cinematography. They have nothing.
You hit it on the head: everything feels small. We never see a mighty city full of people. We just have the main characters on a stage with a few extras in the background. Wherever you go, it's the same. Remember Pelennor Fields? Nobody in the city is ready for battle. The siege engines pushed by massive trolls are about to reach the second or third level of the city, and the confused archers are shooting at the top of the siege engines. Gandalf rides up shouting madly "Kill the trolls! Kill the trolls!" So they start shooting down at the trolls, slowing them down, but it's too late. The engines open and suddenly the second level is breached, hand to hand combat everywhere, women and children running and screaming, utter chaos. Then suddenly the whole city comes under an aerial attack from the Nazgul on the fell beasts. They send whole trebuchets flying through the air, crushing people and houses. Their screams send paralysing horror into the hearts of even the bravest soldier. This is literally a minute or two of screen time in a huge battle sequence! What did RoP do in a whole battle with over twice the money?! It's passion. Skill, passion, and love for art. That's the difference. Also, another reason it feels so small is that the writers insist on the main characters doing everything in the story and having everything done to them. They are too lazy to introduce minor characters who act in ways that affect the plot. They can't let anyone else be heroic because Guyladriel has to hog all the supposed heroics. Everyone else needs to be stupid, ineffectual amd emasculated around her and Disa to make them look powerful. I don't know a single woman in real life who needs to emasculate men to feel "powerful". Hollywood is a swamp of toxicity.
The most expensive show in history and they couldn't be bothered to bring a historical warfare expert. If they showed the orcs diverting the river or building a dam using both human and elf slaves they captured from the countryside. It would show passage of time, it would explain why the city is completely unaware of an army camped on their front door. The orcs could have built a siege fort like Ceasar to guard against relief forces. There're many things they could've done. They ran across open ground without shields! It's so dumb.
It‘s really unfortunate that it took the writers two seasons to remember that Sauron is supposed to trick and deceive the elves, not just gaslight them. It makes him look lazy and Celebrimbor naive bordering on stupid because now he has to be written as if he has somehow lived this long without learning to spot the laziest, most obvious manipulation. Including illusions was a nice touch (the writers apparently also remembered that magic is a thing), but again not subtle enough that it should trick anyone, especially after his silly behavior so far. It would have been a much better approach to come up with a motivation for Sauron that could make people think he maybe has a point. Otherwise the deception does what we see here - it falls completely flat.
Love the celebrimbor reference from shadows of Mordor. I loved those games so much even if they messed with the lore. The gameplay was great and the mature/dark vibes were what made it such an awesome game. RIP Talion
They like many writers do not understand the fantasy genre, you can’t just do fantastical things all the time with no limits. Magic is tough to do well because you have to ground it enough that your main characters don’t become too powerful. For example, why would Sauron go through all this trouble with the rings when he can just make elves kill each other or create such an illusion that he can make anyone crazy. George RR Martin was quoted that it is a very delicate balance and you need to be very careful how you use Magic in your world. Tolkien was the same and it is why this is not only a terrible Tolkien adaptation, since they don’t seem interested in telling his story of the 2nd age, but a terrible Fantasy story. The two Dave’s had a similar issue when they got ahead of SOIAF books, Fantasy is not an easy genre to write well.
21:09 it really couldn't be tho that River is too big to dam it in that way plus jt would take days to drain plus your not moving seige weapons over that Terrain it's all just soo stupid and Ridiculous not to mention that they changed the way Eregion looks in season 1 it looked like it does in the books this season they put a wall and made it look so ridiculous and not what Eregion looks like this show is a disgrace to Tolkien's name and I hope this gets canceled so we can get a real Adaptation ❤
Great analysis as always. I’d like to add to your theme of everything being “short and small” or abbreviated in arc and scope. It’s clear the writers get all their beats and themes from the movie trilogy rather than the books. They include some characters and places from the books to try and appear as an independent interpretation from the source rather than a copy of a copy. To the short and small feeling, it is due to the lack of skill this production has versus Peter Jackson and his team. Jackson was skillful enough to organize and direct hundreds if not a thousand or more extras including animals for some scenes. Maybe he personally did not do it but if not was self-aware enough to appoint people skilled enough to wrangle all the cats for the shooting schedule. He unquestionably had enough talent and artistic vision to block and set all these moving pieces when he yelled “ACTION!” to produce a credible visual spectacle. I guess its a long way to say you can between the trilogy and this show see the gap not only in vision, scripting and direction, but also the organization and management of cast and crew to produce a scene. Jackson and his crew were capable enough to employ and direct hundreds of scene participants or else shoot around skillfully enough to make dozens of extras and characters convincingly portray an entire city, army, village, outposts, etc. The ROP team do not have this skill level. So they are forced to direct at most 4 or 5 actors at a time and extras are consigned to being scenery in a failed attempt to portray a grand scale. I think that’s a less talked about possibility. People talk about it being some tax write-off, all the money went to purchasing the rights, wasteful spending leading to a product of far less quality than the price would suggest. But if we go use the quality of the writing as a guide, we can also deduce that the quality of the directing team is also very limited both artistically and the practicality of scheduling, preparing and directing the action of a scene. They simply can’t handle large groups of actors/extras as directed assets.
This episode should've been called "giving up". Celebrimbor confronts sauron and then gives up. Elrond sees galadrial is a prisoner and gives up the infantry charge. Narvi sees durin and disa and gives up. They never go through the scenes they build up to.
34:25 Never mind the river bed drying out. Where did the river go? Even if the orcs were able to block the river it would need to be redirected or it would pretty quickly begin flowing over the "dam" created by the orcs.
I never thought about that plot hole. Why would breaking a window outside make Celebrimbor aware of what’s going on outside when he was outside earlier drinking tea. This whole show has more holes than Swiss cheese.
Why are they called Trebuchets given Tolkien steered away from Latin based names and words. It was all supposed to be Anglo-Saxon mythology for England. It should have just been called a seige engine.
It’s funny how nonchalantly the elves behind Celebrimbor shoot their arrows. “Don’t worry bros, we’re good, just shooting arrows at crazy orc families! You go on with whatever you’re doing and keep calm and chill!” 😅
I hope they lose so much money that it gets canceled and Amazon either sells it to someone that does it right or hires someone else that actually knows what they're doing to do it right.
I'd love to see you guys do a video on the comparison between ROP and SOM Celebrimbors! Yes, they both don't follow lore, but SOM was more entertaining and felt more Tolkien-like.
I don't think anyone who was a LotR fan hoped RoP to be a failure, but that doesn't mean that being slavishly optimistic is to anyone's benefit either. LotR isn't great because it's set in Middle Earth. It's great because it's a well crafted story. RoP is just a badly crafted story, regardless of its setting. There's no reason why anyone should be rooting for something to succeed just because a gigantic corporation spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy the rights to make a series that is constructed in the same setting, especially since the construction is so shoddy on so many different levels. I can understand the appeal of being a contrarian to a stance on a side of a perceived culture war, but you're missing the mark if you think Amazon deserves any credit or support for this project. I think misplaced optimism isn't any better than misplaced pessimism in this case. You make the statement: "I mean we all win if something is good" but if we are to take that thesis as having merit, we also have to accept the inverse can also be the case, that 'we all lose if something is bad'. And with RoP... we all lost.
I completely agree with you. I feel no obligation to root for the success of a show from a billion-dollar company that repeatedly disrespects the best work of fantasy ever created. Furthermore, how many times have the producers and actors of this disgrace attacked the fans? They deserve the most absolute failure. I don't feel sorry for spoiled privileged people with no talent or manners.
I mean, they have 4 or 5 different things happening: the guys in the East, the guys in the South, the Elves in Eriador, and Numenor. Well there are the Dwarves too, but who cares
The elves have the power of creating wormholes. That’s why they can travel across the continent of middle earth from one scene to the next. That’s the only thing I can think of.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are you high? You have no issues with Sauron’s motivation? The evilest being in Middle Earth wanted a fresh start and then tried to pursue a relationship with Galadriel. I understand that watching Cringe of Power kills brain cells, but I didn’t know that it was to an extent that causes brain damage.
This is the result of the works whose team care more about having all female directors than to employ someone with enough capability. Any battle scene requires a lot of skills and knowledge to be pulled out correctly let alone this type of battle scene where you have large scale siege battle and then reinforcement comes into the fray. All of these just look cheap and stupid. There is no evidence that they even try to do even a bit of research on how siege and city defense work
i have no troubles with hireing a pure female writing room, but they could at least hire some capable female writers... i bet there are many out there, who know their Tolkien and would have loved to take part in this project without butchering the lore
Amazon is very sneaky when it comes to city buildings, in season 1 the geography and the looks of Eregion is different to what we see in season 2. In season one the river is much wider, like half a mile wide, and there are no high mountains rocks where you see in season 2, yes there are high mountains but they are behind Eregion and the city in season 1, is open with beaches, no surrounding wall, like in season 2. The river width in season 2 is much narrower especially where the orcs tried to topple those big rocks from teh mountain to dam the river. I guess Amazon think the audience are too stupid to even notice it, but thanks to internet for exposing this, I would be so embarassed if I am one of the showrunners
Had internet issues with the storm rolling through tennessee and was unable to recover the lost audio. Plus Streamyard has become kind a crapshoot in quality lately (things are getting bad with them since they were sold in April this year). We'll be switching to something more reliable once our yearly contract is up in Dec.
to the dumbest siege machine: i think the writers just googled ancient siege engines and came up with the roman "siege-hook" and thought it a good idea to also "modernize" it... also: why the hell did Annatar/Sauron put a mouse in his illusion for Celebrimbor, like WTF is his reasoning for that?
I don’t get the motivation of the elves of Lindon. We must kill Adar who’s trying to kill Sauron so essentially they’re trying to stop the destruction of Sauron. I get it, there’s about 40 elves in Eregion but if Sauron is already in Eregion then they’re a lost cause.
So the river surrounding Eregion is about 2 feet deep. A river that big should be at least one thousand meters deep if not deeper. Even if the orcs created a stupid dam, they would fall to their deaths by crossing the river bed.
This is so tiresome. the original show runner kept saying that they're going back to the books. This is utterly false. Why are the orcs attacking Ost-in-Edhil? In the books, they were being led by Sauron to claim the Three Rings. In the show, Adar is attacking Ost-in-Edhil to capture and kill Sauron? How does he know Sauron is even there? And why travel all the way from Mordor, across Rohan, through the Gap, up Eraidor to Eregoin and NO ONE NOTICES? This should be one of the largest armies of orcs to attack the Elven stronghold. We won't talk about how Galadriel should be in Lothlorien with her daughter right now. Celeborn stayed behind to assist Celebrimbor in the defense. Galadriel only returned (with her daughter) after the War of the Elves and Sauron was over. She went looking for Celeborn and found him at Imladris with Elrond. And that's where Elrond meets Celebrian and secretly falls in love with her. Now that I think about it, Celeborn should have been the one the show focused on. In the books, he did most of the things that Galadriel did in the show. Except, he didn't get captured. Twice.
They could have made it about Celebrían! Since she never appears anywhere in the stories. They could have created lots of their own sh*t in a storyline about her.
Like, “damn, there are many things already told about Galadriel, so we can emphasize Celeborn and Celebrían”. But NO! 😂 They had to assault Galadriel, and try to destroy this amazing character
@@belegur8108 Yes, thank you. Amazon only has the rights to the appendices, not to material that appears only elsewhere. As with the name "hobbit", If the Ring poem isn’t in the appendices, they should not be able to use it in the show.
So, in fairness I think they've used Elrond going to Kaz-a-dhun as showing time. Thats how the river dried up cause it was months. But its just poorly done. Very poorly done.
The directors team for season 2 of RoP is all female. Amazon is proud of that. That's why they have no idea, how to make good action scenes, especially battles 🤷♂
The orcs look so bad in this show. They focused on the makeup and costumes and didn't bother to have them act like orcs at all. They walk like humans and look fake.
Adar has been the only interesting thing in this show, but no wonder the original actor legged it. Both actors to be commended for giving their best with shit material.
Your channel is great, but please consider: you keep saying that this Abomination is "fan fiction". But It cannot be; since the showrunners are no Fans of Tolkien. It is a Hate Fiction. Cheers :)
You can stop reviewing this garbage nothing is good and rings of power. It is 100% absolute garbage and should be canceled. In fact, everyone involved with it should be fired and Amazon studios should be shuttered permanently.
Best line of the episode was when Adar became Chadar and says "If she speaks again, cut out her tongue." We were all hoping she would lol
Adar is the only interesting character in ROP ( despite the idiotic storyline )
When Adar said that, all I could think is “please make that happen, please make that happen “. Sure it breaks lore but what isn’t breaking lore in this show.
Every video I've watched that breaks down this season or episodes in general has mentioned this scene as being the highlight of the series.
That's the closest we'll ever get to genuine fan service in this show, lol
He couldn’t be outside, cause every time he tries to go outside he’s hit by a flaming boulder, or something! 😂
The story of Khazad Dum now revolves around two dwarves who are defending the only mine shaft in Khazad Dum from all six of the king's miners.
But then the six miners join the two defenders, so now all dwarves in Khazad Dum are united against the king, all eight of them.
But oh no! The king fights himself through the four guards assigned to guard him, leaving the other four dwarves to scramble back and go after him.
The "mithril dust" that was really Sauron's blood was so nonsensical, because Celebrimbor needs to weld the stuff into the rings, he treats it as if it were a metal. He would immediately notice that the blood/mithril did not behave as he expected when he tries to add it to the rings. Even if he wouldn't figure out directly he was being tricked, he still would have failed to make the Rings and wondered why the "mithril" refused to mix with the other alloys.
Even if you buy that Sauron could fake all the other stuff around Celebrimbor, he can't fake the very material that he is working with as a smith.
It's as if you're giving a carpenter a sack of jelly and cast an illusion spell over it to convince him it's a plank. No matter how good your illusion, the carpenter would never be able to work this "plank" into a table.
He didn't know what an alloy was in Season 1. Sooo overrated!
With what they were forged is not even the point. The point is he tricked them and forged the One.
That's a great point, if mightily is an essential component of a ring of power, how do you make one without it?? 🧐
Guys, Tolkien NEVER said that orcs’ hearts are not in their legs, so…
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@@dinmavric5504 Who cares?
People care about these things when Tolkien wrote it, because he made his world self-consistent, and researched and revised everything carefully. By contrast, ROP is just meaningless waffle.
They don't show any powerful characters in the show. All feel weak. Everything feels "small and short", I agree. It's not like Gandalf fighting the Balrog or Gandalf and Galadriel fighting Sauron in the Hobbit, Sauron just moves things from time to time and gets totally destroyed by orcs. It's very pathetic!
The mountain collapsed because it forgot to look up, like ships do.
Coming from the same people who had a volcano fling huge boulders from Mordor to Rhovanion, but ash rain only in its direct vicinity, it's what I've come to expect.
My two favorite Tolkien Heads (sounds better than Talking Heads). Let's dish, gentlemen!
The "city" looks like, as if there just live max. 50 people, maybe 10 soldiers, and it's more like a small castle, not a city. Meanwhile I can't tell, how many orcs attack. 100? 300? 800? It doesn't seem like that much. It's so boring!
It's only a city in cgi establisher, the actual set is just the tower, a small wall and the center place, 5 archers, 5 civilians and that boring blonde girl hiding on top of a wall while siege!
And yet, Elrond says “thousands of lives are in danger”. I guess he was talking about the Orcs, because “Orc Lives Matter”, right? 😂
Not that the writers communicated, intended or even thought this, but Celebrimbor realizing he’s been occupying an illusion, the hammer smashing the window could be the physical symbol his mind needed to “smash” the illusion he was trapped in.
So, that could’ve not only “made sense” but have been brilliant from a psychological perspective and give the viewer some more insight into how Sauron’s illusion spells work, it’s not enough just to realize it’s an illusion, you need a symbol/totem to break free of it.
The writers either didn’t think of this, or if that was what they intended, they did it so poorly, I had to create it in my own head cannon.
they're pale imitations of better works. Like JJ Abrahams they can cape mimic things but they fail to understand the depth of what they are mimicking
The writers are a bunch of fools. Celebrimbor is the grandson of Feanor, he would not go down without a proper fight... and yet in this show he's a deluded senile man... not even Elf.
‘Prepare for ground assault’ - directly ripping off General Rieekan in The Empire Strikes Back.
Also - what other kind of assault might the land-dwelling, wingless orcs mount? 🤦🏻♂️
i guess till the river dam thing they where expecting a naval assault like on D-Day?
To show just how stupid the writer's thinking about this battle was all they had to do was look at history. In 332 BC, Alexander the Great sieged the island city of Tyre. The city had walls up to the sealine so it was impossible to land troops. It's all similar to the siege of Ost-In-Edhil with the river blocking access to the city walls. Alexander, reaching his wits end, built a causeway, an entire landmass still existing today connecting the mainland to the island. He literally created a peninsula, look it up. He sieged the city from this landmass gradually approaching and protecting his troops with fortifications until the city surrendered. Imagine a similar scenario with Ost-In-Edhil. Sadly, these writers are absolute hacks and creatively bankrupt.
I've said before they're too much like JJ Abrams. They capture the surface elements of better material but fail to understand the depth which made the original material so impactful. It's all style with no substance. They want to capture a moment like Boromir's death but they give us an unknown character hit by arrows from all over by invisible orcs (who fail to shoot anyone else like that) then we have the 90s sport movie shot (stole this from Charlie Hopkinson) of the slow moving object that hits it target as everyone watches with bated breath then it inexplicably explodes (how did medieval fantasy elves know this would happen?).
Boromir's death was a redemption arc for the character and he was able to tell the others that the hobbits had been captured not killed. It served a purpose. That explosion in ROP was the equivalent of taking out one Panzer tank in the Battle of the Bulge. Other than looking cool for the slow-witted out there easily entertained by shiny fluff, that death-explosion scene served no purpose.
Sauron was in Eregion for about 300 years.
Right? I have to say that is my biggest disappointment with this series. They should have omitted the Halbrand stuff completely and just focused on the elves and Annatar. We could have had multiple seasons of a sort of power politics at play in Eregion between the characters of Galadriel, Celebrimbor, and Annatar in which he slowly, through Machiavellian scheming, turns the elves and Celebrimbor against Galadriel to the point of her banishment from the city. It could have been a sort of Game of Thrones type plotting and would have been really amazing to see. Instead, it seems like Sauron is just lucky rather than a master manipulator... Sad.
@@Lord_NordanThat is a good plan. But you see the people in charge of this are hmm morons. So it would have been awful no matter what they tried. So sad
@@RianD-xp3kkexactly what I thought. We would be asking too much of those morons
Yes, I don’t agree that the Sauron depiction was reasonable. First of all he is made out to be a simp for Galadriel, which is a hell of a stretch for a Maiar. Secondly, he is portrayed as altogether too conflicted. He may have originally had relatively noble intentions, but by the time of the second age, he was as fundamentally evil as his former master Morgoth. Finally, because they have collapsed the timeline to a ridiculous extent, and because they couldn’t be bothered to actually give it any thought, his influence over the elves of Eregion devolved into a bit of woo woo magic, instead of deception and manipulation. It’s the typical deus ex machina that we’ve come to expect of lazily written shows like this.
@@Lord_Nordanagreed s2 ep 5 should have been where it started and ended at ep 6
Sorry, but why he can cut the metal with the cutting thingy, but when it comes to his escape he only thinks about cutting his thumb?! Am I missing something??!
Fuck thumbs
He cut off his thumb because it was more dramatic. The same reason why most nonsensical things happen in this show. :P
The catapults are clearly unrealistic. I mean do you really expect us to believe that such devoted orc-fathers are going to have the time and energy to invent and build siege weapons with the range, accuracy and firepower of howitzers?
Seriously, the range on those things is absurd.
And they call catapults "trebuchets" I think?
@@majkus I guess those catapults rely on gravity and counterweights, right? In this case they are trebuchets (I guess)
also either the orcs had towed/pushed those massive war maschines through multiple dense forrests or they hab build them right at the river bank without any noice and elven guards noticing... and only Sauron seemed to notice the smoke columns rising in the forrest the day before the assault
@@belegur8108 If they built them during the siege, they could’ve also built boats to cross that streamlet
Feel like disa is the boss. Not durin. And I have a sick feeling that disa is gonna fight the balrog and win somehow... gross. Everytime she sings it's the most cringe thing ever. I hate it. And her poses. She had to have the power stance and her front let exposed and showing in every scene.
None of the male characters have any agency, they all have to be lead or overshadowed by females.
my take: Disa woll confront the Balrog and starts singing, then either the balrog will fall asleep or run away in terror...
I started watching this during season 2, and I kinda liked Disa? By episode 5 or so I can't stand her, mostly because of the way she was written. She's right exactly when she needs to be so she's infallible. She pushes Durin to encourage his father to agree to the ring collaboration, and when we find out the rings are bad, she does a 180 and pushes Durin to stand up to his father. Not even a "I was wrong. Sorry, my bad." No consequences. Ugh.
I'm a girl and oh god Disa absolutely ground my teeth from the first scene. The actor is so insufferably smug and superior. When she talked about the tree and said "he tends it like it's his third child" she looked at Durin with almost resentment and contempt. Not affection or gentle teasing. I see this trend over and over - insufferable blåck American female characters who are absurdly hostîle, rude, and aggressive to white or male characters, but the writer clearly expects the audience to sympathise with her. And she's always played by insufferable, condescending, narcissistic actors who are SO proud of themselves bringing "diversity empowerment bla bla bla". No acting skills though. I don't know a single woman like this in real life. It's a revenge fantasy by Hollywood misandrists. As a feminist I have no problem saying that. It's very obvious to me.
The massive chunky thigh-exposing costumes are so absurd, so unflattering and silly, and so badly and cheaply made, that they look like an "I'm woman hear me roar" parody 😂 I have no idea how those actresses aren't furious at the costume department.
Wow, you were able to point out even more stupid points and scenes than I reallized before. Didn't think that was possible. It's literally nearly every minute of the show thats in some way illogical, nonsensical, unrealistic, badly written, badly acted, not shown, badly shown, constructed, boring, not needed or contradictory. Or many of these things at once.
They managed to make me more invested into the orcs fate, than into the elve's, because at least they showed that the orcs didnt want to fight and want to protect their families, while in contrast showing nothing in this regard at all on the elves side. It's pretty impressive.
Im calling it now, mythril dust is what makes everyone become peter pan and teleport to destinations when it suits. Disa will sing the balrog to sleep ready for the 3rd age, and Sauron will tell Galadriel " no, i am your father." 😂😂
Iconic screenwriting, guess im hired by amazon now 😂
Since they can’t stop ripping off Peter Jackson, what’s the chances the Ents show up in episode 8 to destroy the dam of the river?
that sounds stupid enough that it'll probably happen
Ents and xenomorphs
This is a horrific idea. So it's quite probable
And another thing, how they present Annatar shows that the ROP show runners, could’ve done the Elves properly, Annatar looks & acts how we expect the Elves to act, but for some reason, they CHOSE not to do the Elves correctly.
I have no idea why?
They have no shame ripping off Peter Jackson multiple times every episode, so that’s not the reason they didn’t base the Elves off of Jackson’s interpretation?
Why do you think they didn’t?
They didn't imitate Peter Jackson's elves because they wanted to emulate other people - themselves! Just take a look at the two milky-faced reddish blond show-runners, and add their female sidekicks - and voila - you look at the models for Elrond, Celebrimbor and Galadriel. And Galadriel's dead brother also reminds me of the show-runners 😉
I wish New Line would sue Amazon for all the member-berries. Not sure if they can but seems they might.
Because if they wrote the ROP elves as the LOTR elves are written to be, the showrunners would have no way to intelligently write Celebrimbor(or any other elf) being fooled by Sauron. The showrunners are either dimwits, lazy, or both.
Even WB game studios was able to effectively circumvent writing a hyper intelligent Sauronic plot, by showing Sauron's influence temporarily making Celebrimbor mad or at least delusional enough to go along with Sauron's plan. All the while thinking to destroy Sauron with his own power, which is folly, as darkness cannot defeat darkness.
@@johnwiks2597 fun fact, in lore Celebrimbor was also suspicious of Annatar and the other elven smiths created the first 16 rings. Only after Sauron left to forge the master ring, did Celebrimbor take up the hammer and created the 3 elven rings.
The first air shots of the city shown dont have walls, it is actually like an open beach entrance. Also if the river dries up wouldn't the orcs be under the level of the city walls?
also the northwestern river loses half its width and the mountain the orcs later collapse is also ( i guess by Disa ) created new.
That the sun is rising in the north over a nonexisting hill behind a ( in the show now driedup ) river, that is in the south of the city is probably a mood point...
@@belegur8108 The river and mountain location is something they change on purpose, if you see the map they have shown of the area they changed it.
@@ehernandez6328 yes they do, but it is a massive evidence that there is zero planning in the writing room. they do not know what they are doing... no overall planning beforehand
Adar to orc: "If she speaks again, cut out her tongue."
Orc: presses his knife on Galadriel's neck.
That should be enough to understand the quality of writing for this show.
I stopped watching this show three episodes ago but love your talks so much that I watch them multiple times lol
Celebrimbor is such a great smith, that he can make 15 magic rings without anybody noticing!
I think this degradation of J.R.R. Tolkien's masterpiece should be cancelled. Even without seeing the series and only following the reviews, it hurts my soul to see so many atrocities, so much gross tampering and manipulation of his legacy. This series looks so absurd, so hopeless that it reminds me of when Frodo and Sam at the crossroads find the severed head of the king's statue desecrated by Sauron's forces.
This cannot, this must not continue.
Thank you for the sacrifice of seeing this train wreck.
I think it should continue, in order to teach Amazon a lesson - respect the lore with adaptions, or lose billions of dollars more.
@@Gorbz Amazon lose money or laundring it?🤔
@@Ricktellx probably more of the latter, in all honesty. But losing more than if they didn't make an awful show.
Ursula K LeGuin apparently said that unfaithful adaptations like this are "zombies", having no real lasting life of their own in the cultural imagination, but only a sort of half-life. It reminds me of Game of Thrones. Once the quality of the writing went down and the show ended, it became almost like a fever dream in the collective consciousness. It was forgotten more quickly than people ever imagined, and any emotional attachment people had to it also died before the show even died. And that show was fantastic at the start - RoP never was. So maybe it's some consolation that this show will be forgotten almost before it ends. It won't have any real life in the collective memory in the way that Jackson's films will.
I absolutely loved it when Luke said to Adar, may the force be with you and then Spock was like, this is illogical and was terminated by Snape.
It's tough to make a character who was killed in the first episode seem like a threat seven episodes later. The writers room for this show is a bunch of toddlers playing around. The battle and the siege was really just awful. Adar... such a great threat that he has only one troll at his command
Everything feels small. The idea that Sauron would have just one chieftain... He would have dozens, and they would all answer to him because they have to. He controls and maintains everything.
They should watch the Peter Jackson movies again, specifically Azog's army in The Hobbit. Those are legions. This show is a joke.
I can't say that they even have good cinematography because they don't. They don't have good writing, they don't have good cinematography. They have nothing.
They have money! That counts for something, right?! XD
not only was Sauron killed he was sucker-punched in such a lame way that robs him of any dignity as a powerful lord of evil
You cannot call the cinematography bad
@@oXRaptorzXo I dunno, man. That half light, half dark scene with the two armies _literally_ made me laugh out loud.
@@TaoScribble that’s one shot though. Even if you hate the show you can’t deny that every visual element is usually top tier
You hit it on the head: everything feels small. We never see a mighty city full of people. We just have the main characters on a stage with a few extras in the background. Wherever you go, it's the same. Remember Pelennor Fields? Nobody in the city is ready for battle. The siege engines pushed by massive trolls are about to reach the second or third level of the city, and the confused archers are shooting at the top of the siege engines. Gandalf rides up shouting madly "Kill the trolls! Kill the trolls!" So they start shooting down at the trolls, slowing them down, but it's too late. The engines open and suddenly the second level is breached, hand to hand combat everywhere, women and children running and screaming, utter chaos. Then suddenly the whole city comes under an aerial attack from the Nazgul on the fell beasts. They send whole trebuchets flying through the air, crushing people and houses. Their screams send paralysing horror into the hearts of even the bravest soldier.
This is literally a minute or two of screen time in a huge battle sequence! What did RoP do in a whole battle with over twice the money?!
It's passion. Skill, passion, and love for art. That's the difference.
Also, another reason it feels so small is that the writers insist on the main characters doing everything in the story and having everything done to them. They are too lazy to introduce minor characters who act in ways that affect the plot. They can't let anyone else be heroic because Guyladriel has to hog all the supposed heroics. Everyone else needs to be stupid, ineffectual amd emasculated around her and Disa to make them look powerful. I don't know a single woman in real life who needs to emasculate men to feel "powerful". Hollywood is a swamp of toxicity.
Thanks again for the great podcast
The most expensive show in history and they couldn't be bothered to bring a historical warfare expert. If they showed the orcs diverting the river or building a dam using both human and elf slaves they captured from the countryside. It would show passage of time, it would explain why the city is completely unaware of an army camped on their front door. The orcs could have built a siege fort like Ceasar to guard against relief forces. There're many things they could've done. They ran across open ground without shields! It's so dumb.
Guys, Tolkien NEVER said that orcs’ hearts are not in their legs, so…
😅
It‘s really unfortunate that it took the writers two seasons to remember that Sauron is supposed to trick and deceive the elves, not just gaslight them. It makes him look lazy and Celebrimbor naive bordering on stupid because now he has to be written as if he has somehow lived this long without learning to spot the laziest, most obvious manipulation. Including illusions was a nice touch (the writers apparently also remembered that magic is a thing), but again not subtle enough that it should trick anyone, especially after his silly behavior so far. It would have been a much better approach to come up with a motivation for Sauron that could make people think he maybe has a point. Otherwise the deception does what we see here - it falls completely flat.
Love the celebrimbor reference from shadows of Mordor. I loved those games so much even if they messed with the lore. The gameplay was great and the mature/dark vibes were what made it such an awesome game. RIP Talion
Technically they weren't even trebuchets because the loading piece wasn't a sling but a catapult part
Trebuchets are catapults that use gravity and counterweights to launch the projectiles. I guess those are so
Also, Trebuchets are French, Tolkien avoided using Latin based languages.
They like many writers do not understand the fantasy genre, you can’t just do fantastical things all the time with no limits. Magic is tough to do well because you have to ground it enough that your main characters don’t become too powerful. For example, why would Sauron go through all this trouble with the rings when he can just make elves kill each other or create such an illusion that he can make anyone crazy. George RR Martin was quoted that it is a very delicate balance and you need to be very careful how you use Magic in your world. Tolkien was the same and it is why this is not only a terrible Tolkien adaptation, since they don’t seem interested in telling his story of the 2nd age, but a terrible Fantasy story. The two Dave’s had a similar issue when they got ahead of SOIAF books, Fantasy is not an easy genre to write well.
Precisely. That would be surrealism
I second comparing the two Celebrimbors' - good vid idea 👍
Yes please do a shadow of mordor vs rings of power celebrimbor.
Why does nobody comment on the fact the show never aexplains the fact that Numenorians live longer lives? The elves look ridiculous in this too.
21:09 it really couldn't be tho that River is too big to dam it in that way plus jt would take days to drain plus your not moving seige weapons over that Terrain it's all just soo stupid and Ridiculous not to mention that they changed the way Eregion looks in season 1 it looked like it does in the books this season they put a wall and made it look so ridiculous and not what Eregion looks like this show is a disgrace to Tolkien's name and I hope this gets canceled so we can get a real Adaptation ❤
Great analysis as always. I’d like to add to your theme of everything being “short and small” or abbreviated in arc and scope.
It’s clear the writers get all their beats and themes from the movie trilogy rather than the books. They include some characters and places from the books to try and appear as an independent interpretation from the source rather than a copy of a copy. To the short and small feeling, it is due to the lack of skill this production has versus Peter Jackson and his team. Jackson was skillful enough to organize and direct hundreds if not a thousand or more extras including animals for some scenes. Maybe he personally did not do it but if not was self-aware enough to appoint people skilled enough to wrangle all the cats for the shooting schedule. He unquestionably had enough talent and artistic vision to block and set all these moving pieces when he yelled “ACTION!” to produce a credible visual spectacle.
I guess its a long way to say you can between the trilogy and this show see the gap not only in vision, scripting and direction, but also the organization and management of cast and crew to produce a scene. Jackson and his crew were capable enough to employ and direct hundreds of scene participants or else shoot around skillfully enough to make dozens of extras and characters convincingly portray an entire city, army, village, outposts, etc. The ROP team do not have this skill level. So they are forced to direct at most 4 or 5 actors at a time and extras are consigned to being scenery in a failed attempt to portray a grand scale.
I think that’s a less talked about possibility. People talk about it being some tax write-off, all the money went to purchasing the rights, wasteful spending leading to a product of far less quality than the price would suggest. But if we go use the quality of the writing as a guide, we can also deduce that the quality of the directing team is also very limited both artistically and the practicality of scheduling, preparing and directing the action of a scene. They simply can’t handle large groups of actors/extras as directed assets.
1 billion budget and WHY is Celebrimbor using a fucking eating spoon to handle material at 4:36 ????
Did you notice that the “city of Eregion” got a brand new wall surrounding it?
In season 1 there was no wall! 😂
This episode should've been called "giving up". Celebrimbor confronts sauron and then gives up. Elrond sees galadrial is a prisoner and gives up the infantry charge. Narvi sees durin and disa and gives up. They never go through the scenes they build up to.
34:25 Never mind the river bed drying out. Where did the river go? Even if the orcs were able to block the river it would need to be redirected or it would pretty quickly begin flowing over the "dam" created by the orcs.
I never thought about that plot hole. Why would breaking a window outside make Celebrimbor aware of what’s going on outside when he was outside earlier drinking tea. This whole show has more holes than Swiss cheese.
Why werent the trebuchets able to destroy the city walls but were able to bring down a mountain
Why are they called Trebuchets given Tolkien steered away from Latin based names and words. It was all supposed to be Anglo-Saxon mythology for England. It should have just been called a seige engine.
It’s funny how nonchalantly the elves behind Celebrimbor shoot their arrows. “Don’t worry bros, we’re good, just shooting arrows at crazy orc families! You go on with whatever you’re doing and keep calm and chill!” 😅
The Rings of the Power of Vulnerability.
They literally took the RING verse as an indicator for the order the rings were forged! Ugh! Back to the books my ass!
thank you
I hope they lose so much money that it gets canceled and Amazon either sells it to someone that does it right or hires someone else that actually knows what they're doing to do it right.
Please compare images of the “city of Eregion” of the first season with these images of the last episode!
There was no wall surrounding the city! 😂
Send in half the Darthraki!!!! Uh oh
21:24 "have no idea," ok. Not good. But worse: they won't ask🙈🙉🙌
I'd love to see you guys do a video on the comparison between ROP and SOM Celebrimbors! Yes, they both don't follow lore, but SOM was more entertaining and felt more Tolkien-like.
There is no magic except sauron. The elves are supposed to be able to use magic. But we get humans cosplaying elves.
Hey, hold on... But when Galadriel fooled Loki in his case was very impressive, no?
May I point out that the establishing shots of the city in season 1 did not show a city wall surrounding it but rather easily landable beaches.
Thousands of lives are at stake! We have to defend Sauron from Adar.
I don't think anyone who was a LotR fan hoped RoP to be a failure, but that doesn't mean that being slavishly optimistic is to anyone's benefit either. LotR isn't great because it's set in Middle Earth. It's great because it's a well crafted story. RoP is just a badly crafted story, regardless of its setting. There's no reason why anyone should be rooting for something to succeed just because a gigantic corporation spent hundreds of millions of dollars to buy the rights to make a series that is constructed in the same setting, especially since the construction is so shoddy on so many different levels. I can understand the appeal of being a contrarian to a stance on a side of a perceived culture war, but you're missing the mark if you think Amazon deserves any credit or support for this project. I think misplaced optimism isn't any better than misplaced pessimism in this case.
You make the statement: "I mean we all win if something is good"
but if we are to take that thesis as having merit, we also have to accept the inverse can also be the case, that 'we all lose if something is bad'. And with RoP... we all lost.
I completely agree with you. I feel no obligation to root for the success of a show from a billion-dollar company that repeatedly disrespects the best work of fantasy ever created. Furthermore, how many times have the producers and actors of this disgrace attacked the fans? They deserve the most absolute failure. I don't feel sorry for spoiled privileged people with no talent or manners.
20:27 Smart Boulder munitions. Sappers aren't very smart, though: they're way to high to do their job
Please...no more leg! 😩
leg of power
It's like a telenovela with visual effecrs
Even a telenovela has numerous different storylines. This show is too poor even for that
I mean, they have 4 or 5 different things happening: the guys in the East, the guys in the South, the Elves in Eriador, and Numenor. Well there are the Dwarves too, but who cares
The elves have the power of creating wormholes. That’s why they can travel across the continent of middle earth from one scene to the next. That’s the only thing I can think of.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
They eat _the spice_ and that’s how they can fold space and time
😅
Perhaps the mountains were also made of styrofoam?
Tolkien has the absolute worst naming conventions of any fantasy writer
Are you high? You have no issues with Sauron’s motivation? The evilest being in Middle Earth wanted a fresh start and then tried to pursue a relationship with Galadriel. I understand that watching Cringe of Power kills brain cells, but I didn’t know that it was to an extent that causes brain damage.
This is the result of the works whose team care more about having all female directors than to employ someone with enough capability.
Any battle scene requires a lot of skills and knowledge to be pulled out correctly let alone this type of battle scene where you have large scale siege battle and then reinforcement comes into the fray. All of these just look cheap and stupid. There is no evidence that they even try to do even a bit of research on how siege and city defense work
i have no troubles with hireing a pure female writing room, but they could at least hire some capable female writers... i bet there are many out there, who know their Tolkien and would have loved to take part in this project without butchering the lore
Amazon is very sneaky when it comes to city buildings, in season 1 the geography and the looks of Eregion is different to what we see in season 2. In season one the river is much wider, like half a mile wide, and there are no high mountains rocks where you see in season 2, yes there are high mountains but they are behind Eregion and the city in season 1, is open with beaches, no surrounding wall, like in season 2. The river width in season 2 is much narrower especially where the orcs tried to topple those big rocks from teh mountain to dam the river. I guess Amazon think the audience are too stupid to even notice it, but thanks to internet for exposing this, I would be so embarassed if I am one of the showrunners
Having a lot of audio problems at the 11 min mark. Is it just me?
Had internet issues with the storm rolling through tennessee and was unable to recover the lost audio. Plus Streamyard has become kind a crapshoot in quality lately (things are getting bad with them since they were sold in April this year). We'll be switching to something more reliable once our yearly contract is up in Dec.
@@TheOneRingcom I get it, I’m in KY. It’s not too bad, it kinda resolves. Still a great video, can’t wait for Part 2!!!
Suaron is messing with John's audio. It keeps breaking up
to the dumbest siege machine: i think the writers just googled ancient siege engines and came up with the roman "siege-hook" and thought it a good idea to also "modernize" it...
also: why the hell did Annatar/Sauron put a mouse in his illusion for Celebrimbor, like WTF is his reasoning for that?
Yes, they make it fell like Sauron created a loop in the matrix’ feed 😂 It’s totally nonsense
*I mean at the beginning when he smiths the rings.
I don’t get the motivation of the elves of Lindon. We must kill Adar who’s trying to kill Sauron so essentially they’re trying to stop the destruction of Sauron. I get it, there’s about 40 elves in Eregion but if Sauron is already in Eregion then they’re a lost cause.
There should be just Sauron. The Adar guy could be, I don’t know, one of his lieutenants.
Can someone count all the different elves we see in eregion city?
Even my hamlet of a country town seem more populate and we are 1500 inhabitants
So the river surrounding Eregion is about 2 feet deep. A river that big should be at least one thousand meters deep if not deeper. Even if the orcs created a stupid dam, they would fall to their deaths by crossing the river bed.
1km deep?
@@TETASARAIVACS maybe not a kilometer deep but certainly more than a few meters
@@AlexisLopez-pb8ms I agree
This is so tiresome. the original show runner kept saying that they're going back to the books. This is utterly false.
Why are the orcs attacking Ost-in-Edhil? In the books, they were being led by Sauron to claim the Three Rings. In the show, Adar is attacking Ost-in-Edhil to capture and kill Sauron? How does he know Sauron is even there? And why travel all the way from Mordor, across Rohan, through the Gap, up Eraidor to Eregoin and NO ONE NOTICES? This should be one of the largest armies of orcs to attack the Elven stronghold.
We won't talk about how Galadriel should be in Lothlorien with her daughter right now. Celeborn stayed behind to assist Celebrimbor in the defense. Galadriel only returned (with her daughter) after the War of the Elves and Sauron was over. She went looking for Celeborn and found him at Imladris with Elrond. And that's where Elrond meets Celebrian and secretly falls in love with her.
Now that I think about it, Celeborn should have been the one the show focused on. In the books, he did most of the things that Galadriel did in the show. Except, he didn't get captured. Twice.
Dude, they needed a strong girl to do those things 😂
They could have made it about Celebrían! Since she never appears anywhere in the stories. They could have created lots of their own sh*t in a storyline about her.
Like, “damn, there are many things already told about Galadriel, so we can emphasize Celeborn and Celebrían”. But NO! 😂 They had to assault Galadriel, and try to destroy this amazing character
Is the Ring Poem in the appendices? Then how do they have the right to use it?
it is in Book I Fellowship of the Rings, Chapter: II Shadows of the Past
@@belegur8108 Yes, thank you. Amazon only has the rights to the appendices, not to material that appears only elsewhere. As with the name "hobbit", If the Ring poem isn’t in the appendices, they should not be able to use it in the show.
So, in fairness I think they've used Elrond going to Kaz-a-dhun as showing time. Thats how the river dried up cause it was months. But its just poorly done. Very poorly done.
Delving in depth with this show is sticking your hand down a full toilet. Not recommended.
"How physics work".. yeah ok but there's also magic in this universe.
so the orc catapults fire magic missiles now that prevent the river water to flow normaly?
The directors team for season 2 of RoP is all female. Amazon is proud of that. That's why they have no idea, how to make good action scenes, especially battles 🤷♂
Going by this show, the directors have no idea how to make any scene good.
@Groggen yep. They clearly didn't hired them, because they are qualified, but because of DEI 🤷♂️
The orcs look so bad in this show. They focused on the makeup and costumes and didn't bother to have them act like orcs at all. They walk like humans and look fake.
Adar has been the only interesting thing in this show, but no wonder the original actor legged it. Both actors to be commended for giving their best with shit material.
At some point, do you guys want to stop torturing yourselves reviewing this offensive drivel? lol
Yes! After the next episode we'll get a 2 year break :)
Your channel is great, but please consider: you keep saying that this Abomination is "fan fiction". But It cannot be; since the showrunners are no Fans of Tolkien. It is a Hate Fiction. Cheers :)
You can stop reviewing this garbage nothing is good and rings of power. It is 100% absolute garbage and should be canceled. In fact, everyone involved with it should be fired and Amazon studios should be shuttered permanently.