After reading many posts (mainly from India), it appears ‘time’ as a measure is non existent in India. However, I have noted that the availability & consuming of ‘samoosas’ and the amount one eats can reliably be used as a measure of activity, productivity & outcome. For example, based on metrics, currently it takes the consumption of one million samoosas to produce one Tejas jet (MK1 or 2, who knows, who cares). As a comparison, to produce one F-35A (Boeing Lightening), only requires 100,000 samoosas (that’s a lakh for those who like to talk in crores & lakhs and like placing the comma in weird places in numbers). Sadly, this is unlikely to change. Perhaps India could turn this negative into a positive. Switch over to making just samoosas - you’re obviously very good at this!
We shall overcome someday. Deep in my heart I do believe we shall overcome some day. Mr so called dr observer remember if we can chase the Moon and the Mars with a low cost expense (derived from making samosas) we can also produce a world class jet engine.
@@Xploreandtrade Oh, mighty Indra, every bit of my Indian ancestry hopes & wishes you are right! Unfortunately, I am reduced to 'sarcasm’ after encountering ‘Indian logic & action’ over the many decades I have lived; I note that ironically since India’s independence, proportionately Indians seemed to be able to design & produce technical advances quicker & faster during the first two decades than all the ‘samoosa consuming couch sitters’ you have today. Today’s crop of Indians are more consumed by looking backwards & complaining about the perceived ‘disrespect’ the World has for India. Mate, I can tell you the World really doesn’t care. During my long career, my colleagues admired my leadership, promptness, output & TIMELY outcome skills - some even attributed this to my Indian ancestry; and I was & still am very proud of it. Some of the recent immigrants from India, who have the technical skills are very disappointing & fail to live up to expectations. As a basic example at the very simple level if you must explain to the cab driver that reason why other road users are honking their horns at him is not because he is Indian but rather that he’s driving in the middle of two lanes of traffic - pick a lane mate and indicate when you wish to change lanes! As a specialist in the sciences et al, I sincerely hope that your enthusiasm for defending the status quo in your country, is not misplaced because much of that enthusiasm needs to go into rectifying what ails India, rather than defending why things can’t be done. And using the ISRO program as how successful India is not good enough - as a mathematician this success represents (currently) just an outlier. Good Luck (sincerely). “So called Dr_Observer”.
@@Xploreandtrade Oh, mighty Indra, every bit of my Indian ancestry hopes & wishes you are right! Unfortunately, I am reduced to 'sarcasm’ after encountering ‘Indian logic & action’ over the many decades I have lived; I note that ironically since India’s independence, proportionately Indians seemed to be able to design & produce technical advances quicker & faster during the first two decades than all the ‘samoosa consuming couch sitters’ you have today. Today’s crop of Indians are more consumed by looking backwards & complaining about the perceived ‘disrespect’ the World has for India. Mate, I can tell you the World really doesn’t care. During my long career, my colleagues admired my leadership, promptness, output & TIMELY outcome skills - some even attributed this to my Indian ancestry; and I was & still am very proud of it. Some of the recent immigrants from India, who have the technical skills are very disappointing & fail to live up to expectations. As a basic example at the very simple level if you must explain to the cab driver that reason why other road users are honking their horns at him is not because he is Indian but rather that he’s driving in the middle of two lanes of traffic - pick a lane mate and indicate when you wish to change lanes! As a specialist in the sciences et al, I sincerely hope that your enthusiasm for defending the status quo in your country, is not misplaced because much of that enthusiasm needs to go into rectifying what ails India, rather than defending why things can’t be done. And using the ISRO program as how successful India is not good enough - as a mathematician this success represents (currently) just an outlier. Good Luck (sincerely). “So called Dr_Observer”.
@@Xploreandtrade I hope you are correct. Believe it or not, I sincerely hope India can achieve its goals in a proactive & timely manner. Indians should hold their politicians & authorities to account, and not look for excuses for them or accept them from them. The people deserve better. Remember India designed & produced jet aircraft (Marut for example) over 60 years ago, and in a timely manner & in numbers. They had the same time frame to produce a viable jet engine. To my knowledge the Kaveri engine is still in 'projection' stage, although I believe it is being used in drones (correct me if I am wrong). Don't forget in almost the same time frame (66 years), the USA went from designing & producing airplanes made from 'wood & string' to standing on the Moon! Yes, in my heart I believe India can do it but the heart is not the seat of innovation. Best Wishes.
1. Russians don't have any engine certified for single engine use. 2. Mating any other engine at this point of time will mean redesign and recertification of the airframe and its subsystems. This will completely derail the programme. 3. What we can do and should have done is base at least one of our future programmes on the Russian engines (AL-31F and RD-33 Series 3). The best candidate for it is TEDBF. But we aren't doing that either. 4. Kaveri will still take about a decade before it can be operationalised on any platform. GTRE must develop it to be used on mid-life upgrade of Tejas MK1 and MK1A, which will be around 220 jets.
The second worst 3+ generation fighter is now ready (the worst is teJunk MK1). All 45 years of development for a 3+ generation fighter.. endia has no hope 🙂
@@pravinmeher2036 No one said that, except endian... However, JF-17 is indeed a successful fighter program. Many demands from Egypt, Iran, Bangladesh and others. Whereas the teJunk, even when moDik helped to clean Malaysia PM's table (that's why moDik has cleaning cloth on his shoulder), Malaysia still doesn't want to buy teJunk.. Because it is a "junk-of-a-plane"
That's more like it 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
What’s the point now, send it to museum
You go to museum in canada and keep your khalsa flag inside that museum.
I cant wait to see it flying high soaring in the sky.
Sarkari udankhatola. They took longer than normally needed to make it.
Complete this project ASAP, because it is running out of time.
After reading many posts (mainly from India), it appears ‘time’ as a measure is non existent in India. However, I have noted that the availability & consuming of ‘samoosas’ and the amount one eats can reliably be used as a measure of activity, productivity & outcome. For example, based on metrics, currently it takes the consumption of one million samoosas to produce one Tejas jet (MK1 or 2, who knows, who cares). As a comparison, to produce one F-35A (Boeing Lightening), only requires 100,000 samoosas (that’s a lakh for those who like to talk in crores & lakhs and like placing the comma in weird places in numbers). Sadly, this is unlikely to change. Perhaps India could turn this negative into a positive. Switch over to making just samoosas - you’re obviously very good at this!
No f35 to India according to usa. So we have no other option but to go self reliance 🤲😔
We shall overcome someday. Deep in my heart I do believe we shall overcome some day.
Mr so called dr observer remember if we can chase the Moon and the Mars with a low cost expense (derived from making samosas) we can also produce a world class jet engine.
@@Xploreandtrade Oh, mighty Indra, every bit of my Indian ancestry hopes & wishes you are right! Unfortunately, I am reduced to 'sarcasm’ after encountering ‘Indian logic & action’ over the many decades I have lived; I note that ironically since India’s independence, proportionately Indians seemed to be able to design & produce technical advances quicker & faster during the first two decades than all the ‘samoosa consuming couch sitters’ you have today. Today’s crop of Indians are more consumed by looking backwards & complaining about the perceived ‘disrespect’ the World has for India. Mate, I can tell you the World really doesn’t care. During my long career, my colleagues admired my leadership, promptness, output & TIMELY outcome skills - some even attributed this to my Indian ancestry; and I was & still am very proud of it. Some of the recent immigrants from India, who have the technical skills are very disappointing & fail to live up to expectations. As a basic example at the very simple level if you must explain to the cab driver that reason why other road users are honking their horns at him is not because he is Indian but rather that he’s driving in the middle of two lanes of traffic - pick a lane mate and indicate when you wish to change lanes! As a specialist in the sciences et al, I sincerely hope that your enthusiasm for defending the status quo in your country, is not misplaced because much of that enthusiasm needs to go into rectifying what ails India, rather than defending why things can’t be done. And using the ISRO program as how successful India is not good enough - as a mathematician this success represents (currently) just an outlier. Good Luck (sincerely). “So called Dr_Observer”.
@@Xploreandtrade Oh, mighty Indra, every bit of my Indian ancestry hopes & wishes you are right! Unfortunately, I am reduced to 'sarcasm’ after encountering ‘Indian logic & action’ over the many decades I have lived; I note that ironically since India’s independence, proportionately Indians seemed to be able to design & produce technical advances quicker & faster during the first two decades than all the ‘samoosa consuming couch sitters’ you have today. Today’s crop of Indians are more consumed by looking backwards & complaining about the perceived ‘disrespect’ the World has for India. Mate, I can tell you the World really doesn’t care. During my long career, my colleagues admired my leadership, promptness, output & TIMELY outcome skills - some even attributed this to my Indian ancestry; and I was & still am very proud of it. Some of the recent immigrants from India, who have the technical skills are very disappointing & fail to live up to expectations. As a basic example at the very simple level if you must explain to the cab driver that reason why other road users are honking their horns at him is not because he is Indian but rather that he’s driving in the middle of two lanes of traffic - pick a lane mate and indicate when you wish to change lanes! As a specialist in the sciences et al, I sincerely hope that your enthusiasm for defending the status quo in your country, is not misplaced because much of that enthusiasm needs to go into rectifying what ails India, rather than defending why things can’t be done. And using the ISRO program as how successful India is not good enough - as a mathematician this success represents (currently) just an outlier. Good Luck (sincerely). “So called Dr_Observer”.
@@Xploreandtrade I hope you are correct. Believe it or not, I sincerely hope India can achieve its goals in a proactive & timely manner. Indians should hold their politicians & authorities to account, and not look for excuses for them or accept them from them. The people deserve better. Remember India designed & produced jet aircraft (Marut for example) over 60 years ago, and in a timely manner & in numbers. They had the same time frame to produce a viable jet engine. To my knowledge the Kaveri engine is still in 'projection' stage, although I believe it is being used in drones (correct me if I am wrong). Don't forget in almost the same time frame (66 years), the USA went from designing & producing airplanes made from 'wood & string' to standing on the Moon! Yes, in my heart I believe India can do it but the heart is not the seat of innovation. Best Wishes.
Engine kidhar hai.why is hal depending on only one company.get from russia
Russian engines are not reliable. They have huge maintainence cost and less fuel efficient compared to ge414
1. Russians don't have any engine certified for single engine use.
2. Mating any other engine at this point of time will mean redesign and recertification of the airframe and its subsystems. This will completely derail the programme.
3. What we can do and should have done is base at least one of our future programmes on the Russian engines (AL-31F and RD-33 Series 3). The best candidate for it is TEDBF. But we aren't doing that either.
4. Kaveri will still take about a decade before it can be operationalised on any platform. GTRE must develop it to be used on mid-life upgrade of Tejas MK1 and MK1A, which will be around 220 jets.
Meaningless caption Next generation Mark-1 !
So now its first trimester not first quarter? typically baabu timeline.
HAL has been saying for a long time, for 3/4 years, that we will increase production but HAL is not at all trustworthy,
You have a choice of believing or not ! Bharat is still a Democracy
@@ramsharma4702democracy is the reason poverty = more.
india will not able to make their own planes or engines, there is a reason
Engine 's hi nahi hai😂 need to take from russia
2099 Tejas MK 1A 😂😂😂😂😂
Mk2 is under fabrication..
The second worst 3+ generation fighter is now ready (the worst is teJunk MK1).
All 45 years of development for a 3+ generation fighter.. endia has no hope 🙂
meanwhile JF-17 made its 100th landing on Mars.
@@pravinmeher2036 No one said that, except endian...
However, JF-17 is indeed a successful fighter program.
Many demands from Egypt, Iran, Bangladesh and others.
Whereas the teJunk, even when moDik helped to clean Malaysia PM's table
(that's why moDik has cleaning cloth on his shoulder), Malaysia still doesn't
want to buy teJunk.. Because it is a "junk-of-a-plane"