Kaveri can produce 51kns of dry thrust, 46kn is derated for Ghatak ucav & Brahmos Aerospace; Reheat section can produce 29kns of wet thrust so total 80kn.
@@randmht9976dry thrust already 51 kn tak generate kar rha hai official source ke hisab se phir 29 kn afterburner ke sath achieve karne mai jyada dikkat nhi aayegi bus funding or proper facility ho
It's a material issue, common with all Indian aerospace components even our rockets are heavier compared to us. The only solution is r&d and institutional involvement.
Considering the funding for the programme was only recently restarted, this is a very good development. Remember, every other nation that has developed jey engine is because they acquired/ developed the technology in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, etc. And have been developing newer better ones since then. India is a very new player and has allocated very little time, resources, money, etc to this project. I think we can easily achive the target requirements in next 4-5 years, the original target of 90 KN, if ISRO, who has shown interest in the project, and some private companies who have good expertise are allowed to join and collaborate on the project. Remember, US airforce and NASA frequently collaborate with each other and with various private companies and startups. We can do the same.
The only way ahead is keep on investing to make dry trust closer to 55-60 KN for Tejas MK1A and use it as a replacement for 200 Tejas for 2nd engine replacement and still save billions in future. Weight reduction and slight improvement which we will receive through GE 414 and 110Kn future engine development is the key. Hope government continues to provide funds and support till we achieve this goal
But these are figures for lab testing and not real world data, GE F414 and 404 are in use for the past 40 years in FA18 hornet and other aircraft, are you serious comparing the two based on lab test data?? Kavery will take forever to have real world reliability and usage so we will still be using GE engines for the foreseeable future even if everything goes as planned in an optimistic setting
Absolutely YES. Use multiple engines for required thrust or speed, redesign frame to accommodate two engines on tail and one each on side wings. 4 engines. Rear two engines with turbo charge capability to give maximum acceleration when needed.
Brahmos aerospace and hal recently aquire CNC machine for engine metallurgy cutting , and as a HAL now get a status of maha Ratna they are now able to start there own project without any permission from GOI, ❤❤ hope that we achieve 84 kn thrust on kaveri from 79 , by the way ISRO chairman also said that we are also interested in kaveri engine program, and my opinion isro is a best partner for engine program they achieve and make many engine for their rocket
@@pmaitrasm there is difference between making of arms and ammunition and for advance metallurgy For core of any engine ( jets ) and there are different type of cnc machine are available for difference role
But ISRO itself is using more solid rocket motors and liquid ones. They haven't shown any capabilities to produce good lower stage liquid rocket engines like other space organizations.
If india wants to be self reliant and also equally an success in export market in aircraft manufacturing, then induction of kaveri engines in tejas is a must even if the kaveri engines happens to be of MARGINALLY of lesser capabilities then foreign aero-engines.
No doubt having aero-engines with good thrust to weight ratio is good aero-dynamically and electrical power wise but being SELF RELIANT in aero-engine technology is an greater power.
@OmarSausage Well, the pilot has to work with what he has. Tell that to a pilot who is dependent on American spares that will NEVER arrive. Trusting USA is like beating yourself with a hammer.
Though having an high thrust to weight ratio is an good advantage, nevertheless in an era of bvr air to air capabilities and stand of weapons then having an very high thrust to weight ratio is not an indispensable capability even an aircraft with subpar thrust to weight ratio even that aircraft with good sensors, avionics and defensive suites , and good long range weapons is no less effective.
Jaise Baaki Nations Ne Pehle Niche Se Engines Banake Test karke Abhi better hue hai Same case india Ko bhi Karna Chahiye Use Kaveri and Modify Karte raho And then we will see More Developed Engine uspar hame Confidence bhi hoga Self Reliance Goal bhi Achieve hoga and Engine Quality bhi Better hori Rahegi....
The problem with kaveri lies in its metallurgy which directly affect the weight of the engine thereby reducing thrust to weight ratio. And in aerospace weight is very crucial to its reliability,efficiency and performance. Snecma M88-2(rafale's engine) same class as kaveri produces 73 kn at 897 kg of weight whereas kaveri with 73 kn thrust weighs 1180 kg which is very high compared to its competitor. So we really need to invest in advanced light weight super alloys. Then only we can make realiable high performance engines
@@ayushraj627Tejas ko aur halka kiya ja skta hai alluminium ko hatakar hm kuch aur use kr skte hai,uske upar aluminum ka alloy add krke, it's easy and yes we
They are going to use baseline F414 with 58kns of dry & 98kns of wet thrust in 4 Tonne heavy (MTOW),(1.5t by Dead W) Tejas mk2 & want 90kn thrust engine in Tejas mk1a. Even Mirage 2000 have 65kns of dry thrust compared to 58kn for mk2 despite being 0.5 tonnes lighter. Gripen have 64kn being 1 tonnes lighter.
@@DefenceMatrixwe have developed a single crystal turbine blade , a new fan . It can help us in weight reduction , if we are able to achieve it can easily scale up
The thrust discussed for 404 and russian engine etc is the peak power achieved in cold climatic condition testing That is not what they produce in IAC The weight of kaveri being discussed is mostly taken from older dataset which was provided. There are talks of some weight reduction ( not very much but some) so the weight now could be in 1100 kg or so with newer ab section etc. All will be known only post testing though
I think Kaveri is now being tested just for stability of the engine core. The 48kn and 80kn , dry and wet are baselines. Tuning the airflow pattern through bypass can increase the thrust...... It would probably max out at 52kn 88kn region though.
@anilv3724 Kaveri's basic structure is outdated - what would you expect ....but let it get fully functional first - the 2nd generation iteration won't be far behind then.
@@theheretic6739 Without testing tunnel & no research on metallurgy for years, our scientists achieved enough. Atleast we need our own engine to fly double engine jets.
Meteorology Ko update karne se aur light weight v hoga aur higher power output milega sure. But hume M-88 k higher thrust verient k liye v France se baat karna chahiye. Might be Tejas Mk1 k future upgrade me useful hoga.
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Instead of weight reduction we should focus on further dry and wet thrust increase with the same weight If we achieve 90 Kn Wet and 55Kn dry with the same weight it'll fulfill all our requirements
If we start using we can make adjustments and make it workable within short time but Babus won’t take risk,,,, Weight can be reduced if improvements r made
It is utmost important to make a Fully operational aircraft with the current engine and improve it with time and experience. If you wait for perfection, by the time you reach current desired level, the technology become old and again you will have to raise your standards. Do what Japan and China did. Use substandard engine and improve it into a masterpiece. To reach anywhere we don't wait at our home for all the red traffic lights to be green...
1:06 Bhai... 50Kn se zyada ka dry thrust hai currently... Jab russia mein high altitude testing facility mein test hua tha rab 50Kn+ dry thrust achieve hua tha
Compare to RD33 and F404 it will carry 145 less weight.... We can think that way..... Let's not indulge into power to weight ratio stats...... Any way Tejas is lightweight than Gripen where this 145kg extra engine weight can be trade of.
If kaveri engine with afterburner weight supply 150 kg. higher than ge f404 engine it will be adjusted as Tejas mk1a will carry less than 150 kg. weight in fully loaded condition. Leter the weight of kaveri engine with afterburner should be tried to reduce. But now where no ge404 engine supply condition Indian govt. and Indian airforce should sought out permanent solution not depending upon foreign engine supply.
I think the GE F404 is rated at 87kN wet thrust at sea level and 20deg C. Kaveri is flat rated for 80kN in hot and high, so it is approximately equivalent. Weight reduction and durability testing still needs to be done.
@@warrior_singh111I'm doing much better than you in my life and this question is completely out of your intelligence and it's not for your peanut sized brain. Please keep out. I already know the reasons but I asked for people who have very deep knowledge about the topic.
95% of the time jet flys in dry thrust mode.. Even higher dry thrust can give u the capability of SUPER CRUISE without straining thr engine.. So yes higher dry thrust is more important... 👍
@@deltaandD7516 Don't think you understood how a low wet thrust affects you. It directly limits how much load you can take off with. Tejas barely carries 4 tonnes, imagine decreasing max wet thrust, it will go down to 3.5.
Start using it in order to setup the manufacturing lines & logistics quickly, improve every part eventually. Building a large & fast manufacturing infrastructure & supply chain is MORE IMPORTANT than performance now.
Tou are developing en engine for the first time and you are expecting to use it in single engine aircraft? Is it not better to use it in double engine fighter or 4 engine bomber? So you have to undertake a program where many engine is required so that you can mass produce this engine and the engine become smooth day by day and the thurst numbers must increase... Luckily we have such programme.. Airforce version of TEDBF or orca.
If it clears the test for single engine aircraft than why not.. Wese bhi konsa double ya multi engine wala kesa bhi aircraft develop kerne ka project chal raha hai ?? Koi bhi nahi.. Ek TEDBF hai par uski thrust requirements 100KNT se upper ki hai. Toh bas Tejas hi bacha Kaveri ko use kerne ke liye.. Puraane kisi aircraft mein modify kerke aap testing ker sakte ho par uske liye Kaveri ko puri fleet mein nahi daal sakte.. vesse bhi Kaveri ko production ready hone mein 10-15 saal aur lagenge.. toh koi matlab nahi hai Tejas ke alawa kisi aur aircraft mein usse kerne ka Kaveri ka.
@@JonnyHindu TEDBF is 26 Tonnes category Deck based platform, 1.5 Tonnes heavier than Rafale M , and rafale M uses 75kn class M88, what made you think that TEDBF needs 100kn engine? Engine with thrust between 85-90kn should be fine for TEDBF & Mk1a.
Reduce the weight without compromising thrust to increase the payload capability of aircraft. Obtain metallurgical technology through TOT. Define acceptable parameters of Indigenisation as feasible.
We must go ahead inspite of 150 kgs higher jet weight engine.and keep on making improvement. Understand with current wt it will carry lesser war head by 150 kgs.
Engine technology develop over the period of time during second world war and after that significant process happened ..but we should consider Indias situation at this time when these developments took place we can not expect more where we are right now .. yess after independence if governments could worked the same way today's gov working may be we have achieved it but wars with pakistan n china also there inactivity both responsible .. But we were facing problems in missile technology n look where we are today I certainly know that the day will come our engine technology will beat rest of world by far
Bharat Sarkar must go for atleast 1 squadron of Tejas with indegenous kaveri engine. And then let this tech mature with time and repeated flights of this squadron. This will be invaluable and may lead to further improvement n innovation. Other programmes must get better engine simultaneously and manufacturing must go on
the navy and airforce should go for aircraft designed around twin kaveri engine. the improvements can be done over period of time. no one gets it right tbe 1st time
Bhai why are you not defending kaveri (if 50kN/80kN is achieved). With the comparitively small investment we have made we are in a commendable position. If 50/80 kN is stable output, don't you think you should have supported aircraft integration instead of playing into the hands of Chandigarh lobby. And you should have distinguished the brochure numbers and actual numbers of imported engine. By the way RD33 is very old gen tech. Kaveri might be ahead of ge404 in tech (i know with the kind of production numbers, i am out on a limb here)
TEDBF is double engine fighter jet hope IAF joins INDIAN NAVY for TEDBF program instead of wasting another decade in MRFA meantime we can develop 110 kb engine For AMCA and TEDBF.
Yes it's possible to utilise 2* kaveri in a 25 Tonne category fighter aircraft like Rafale. If they make it able to produce 85-90kns then they can use the same engine in Tejas mk1a & TEDBF.
Issues with the Kaveri Engine Inadequate Thrust: Produced only 76 kN, below the required 90-95 kN. Reliability Problems: Compressor blade failures, vibrations, and poor high-altitude performance. Outdated Technology: Components became obsolete due to prolonged development. Delays and Cost Overruns: Over 30 years in development with significant budget overruns. Foreign Assistance: Relied on Snecma (France) for corrections and improvements. Weight Issues: Heavier than global counterparts, reducing efficiency. Integration Failures: Issues with vibration and overheating during Tejas integration. Limited Testing: Never completed flight tests for operational certification. Kia Kuch resolve Karo gay? 😊
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@shadowjackson6135 Yes, the Uttam radar-the so-called world-class AESA radar that hasn't seen operational service on any fighter jet yet. A true marvel of imagination! Meanwhile, the Tejas, the aircraft it's supposedly destined for, is a patchwork of foreign parts: American engines, Israeli avionics, European weapons, and even tires that probably aren’t Indian-made. And let’s not forget the engine saga-Kaveri couldn’t take off (literally), and now you need help from France and others just to keep the program breathing. But sure, claim the Uttam radar as "world-class" without proving it in combat or even serious deployment. Because why not? If the aircraft itself isn’t there yet, might as well let the radar join the fantasy league!
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हमे uk या फ्रांस से मिलकर 110 कन का इंजिन विकसित करना चाहिए,कावेरी पर भी काम जारी राहु,दूसरे विमानो मे प्रयुक्त हो सकता है।हम रक्ष,विशेषकर अनुसा धान मे बहुत कम पैसा खर्च करते है,वोट के लिए सब्सिडी आदि पर खूब धान का उपव्यय होता है।
even if kaveri produces meets the requirement do we have the capacity to mass produce these engines ? more and more assembly lines, test beds, and rare components impost needed to prevent future delays
*Jai Hind Jai Bharat and Fast Track the Kaveri Engine Indigenously with Dry Thrust of 52 KN with After Burner 31 KN to replace GE 404 Fighter Jet Aircraft Engine*
BrahMos Aerospace is a collaboration between India and Russia. I wonder if the Russians quietly assisted in the development of the afterburner section.
Start using it in order to setup the manufacturing lines & logistics quickly, improve every part eventually. Building a large & fast manufacturing infrastructure & supply chain is MORE IMPORTANT than performance now.
It's already one of the smallest aircraft engine available.. And Army don't want anything from Kaveri program. It's IAF's domain. For Tejas aircraft, Kaveri Engine is a little heavy [current → 1180kg, requirement → (1030-1080kg) or below] and produce lesser thrust than what is required [current → (dry) 52KNT | (wet) 73KNT , requires → (dry) 52+KNT | (wet) 85+KNT].
@@unknown_5107 nobody is planning to put the kaveri in MK2... mk1 /1a ke baare me soch shakte hai mk2, amca, tedbf k liye to already f414 / upcoming 110kn engine planned hai.. 😑
They have to achieve it with same dimensions and lesser weight (below 1100kg). And the reliability, endurance and economy of the engine should not be lower than the competition (f-414). And that's a totally different game to achieve.. 😐
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shouldn't it still be okay to integrate this tech, so that DRDO can learn from this, isn't it fine if kaveri is marginally worse if we can get the numbers of Tejas up, because of the integration, or is the weight too much to even test out the engine
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Why is no one talking about EJ200 engine....thats perfect for tejas 90kn thrust an d 6o kn dry thrust ....s smaller than ge 404 and lighter as well.. just a lil longer
It's high time government focuses on investing in material science. To manufacture any product be it water bottle to jet engine, type of material used matters. GTRE should consult maruti suzuki in this regard as they are very good in reducing weight in their vehicles 😂.
ge 404 84 Kn but indian Condution Ut will give Only ,79 Kn Source Was IDRw! We Need To Use Kaveri In some Of The palnes In Order Go Make It better , U Either use it with aTwin engine Plane it will help Tquick The engine Without Safety issue
Use karne layk abhi h.. a less powerful engine wins over delayed engines causing less aircrafts in inventory.. why are we not integrating kaveri for flight certificate yet?? Is kaveri 2.0 also being sabotaged??? 😢
Kaveri can produce 51kns of dry thrust, 46kn is derated for Ghatak ucav & Brahmos Aerospace; Reheat section can produce 29kns of wet thrust so total 80kn.
Source ?
is that 51 or 54 kN@@randmht9976
@@randmht9976 trust me bro 😅
@@randmht9976dry thrust already 51 kn tak generate kar rha hai official source ke hisab se phir 29 kn afterburner ke sath achieve karne mai jyada dikkat nhi aayegi bus funding or proper facility ho
Thrust to weight ratio says: Hi 👋
It's a material issue, common with all Indian aerospace components even our rockets are heavier compared to us. The only solution is r&d and institutional involvement.
There is a discussion going on to give PLI scheme for metallurgy.
If we can improve our metallurgy section then we will see increase in capability of our engines and rockets .
Or use RAW to steal technology.... Something KGB and CIA did back in the day.
Where are issues at ground level don't blame government, I want to small to big issues,if u know only then reply or don't.
Considering the funding for the programme was only recently restarted, this is a very good development.
Remember, every other nation that has developed jey engine is because they acquired/ developed the technology in the 1930s, 40s, 50s, etc. And have been developing newer better ones since then.
India is a very new player and has allocated very little time, resources, money, etc to this project.
I think we can easily achive the target requirements in next 4-5 years, the original target of 90 KN, if ISRO, who has shown interest in the project, and some private companies who have good expertise are allowed to join and collaborate on the project.
Remember, US airforce and NASA frequently collaborate with each other and with various private companies and startups.
We can do the same.
The only way ahead is keep on investing to make dry trust closer to 55-60 KN for Tejas MK1A and use it as a replacement for 200 Tejas for 2nd engine replacement and still save billions in future. Weight reduction and slight improvement which we will receive through GE 414 and 110Kn future engine development is the key. Hope government continues to provide funds and support till we achieve this goal
But these are figures for lab testing and not real world data, GE F414 and 404 are in use for the past 40 years in FA18 hornet and other aircraft, are you serious comparing the two based on lab test data??
Kavery will take forever to have real world reliability and usage so we will still be using GE engines for the foreseeable future even if everything goes as planned in an optimistic setting
tere se jada pata hai jo iss engine mai kaam kar rehe hai @@Aaditya_electro
@@Aaditya_electrothese are not lab figures .... These are figures based on high altitude testing in Russia and kaveri did wonders there❤
Absolutely YES. Use multiple engines for required thrust or speed, redesign frame to accommodate two engines on tail and one each on side wings. 4 engines. Rear two engines with turbo charge capability to give maximum acceleration when needed.
Brahmos aerospace and hal recently aquire CNC machine for engine metallurgy cutting , and as a HAL now get a status of maha Ratna they are now able to start there own project without any permission from GOI, ❤❤ hope that we achieve 84 kn thrust on kaveri from 79 , by the way ISRO chairman also said that we are also interested in kaveri engine program, and my opinion isro is a best partner for engine program they achieve and make many engine for their rocket
Our Ordinance Factories have been using CNC machines since 2007.
OFB and HAL are liabilities, they should learn from DRDO and ISRO
@@pmaitrasm there is difference between making of arms and ammunition and for advance metallurgy For core of any engine ( jets ) and there are different type of cnc machine are available for difference role
@@RudraPatel-wk6je, I understand they may have acquired some very high end CNC machines.
But ISRO itself is using more solid rocket motors and liquid ones. They haven't shown any capabilities to produce good lower stage liquid rocket engines like other space organizations.
Every incremental progress must be cherished... a point comes when improvements just breakout...
If india wants to be self reliant and also equally an success in export market in aircraft manufacturing, then induction of kaveri engines in tejas is a must even if the kaveri engines happens to be of MARGINALLY of lesser capabilities then foreign aero-engines.
No doubt having aero-engines with good thrust to weight ratio is good aero-dynamically and electrical power wise but being SELF RELIANT in aero-engine technology is an greater power.
Agreed. Better to have 500 sub par Tejas & later upgrade the Kaveri, than 83 Tejas using risky American engines.
@@SodiumSyndicateTell that to a pilot when he has to go to war in a plane with sub-standard capabilities.🤣😂🤣
@OmarSausage Well, the pilot has to work with what he has. Tell that to a pilot who is dependent on American spares that will NEVER arrive.
Trusting USA is like beating yourself with a hammer.
Though having an high thrust to weight ratio is an good advantage, nevertheless in an era of bvr air to air capabilities and stand of weapons then having an very high thrust to weight ratio is not an indispensable capability even an aircraft with subpar thrust to weight ratio even that aircraft with good sensors, avionics and defensive suites , and good long range weapons is no less effective.
50 kn dry with 80 afterburner ,kaveri is good to go.
Tedbf can roll out easily with these specs .
I meant dual kaveri configuration Tedbf.
Weight is the prblm right now... 🤔
Nope. Tedbf / Orca ke liye 90kn chahiye
Rafale is flying at same specs on m88
Rafale-M is flying well with 75KN wet thrust. Isn't TEDBF the same category?@@shankarnarayanbharati5267
American is not ours.kaveri is ours. It is important
Jaise Baaki Nations Ne Pehle Niche Se Engines Banake Test karke Abhi better hue hai Same case india Ko bhi Karna Chahiye Use Kaveri and Modify Karte raho And then we will see More Developed Engine uspar hame Confidence bhi hoga Self Reliance Goal bhi Achieve hoga and Engine Quality bhi Better hori Rahegi....
Nice and precise details with comparison of other top engines
The problem with kaveri lies in its metallurgy which directly affect the weight of the engine thereby reducing thrust to weight ratio. And in aerospace weight is very crucial to its reliability,efficiency and performance. Snecma M88-2(rafale's engine) same class as kaveri produces 73 kn at 897 kg of weight whereas kaveri with 73 kn thrust weighs 1180 kg which is very high compared to its competitor. So we really need to invest in advanced light weight super alloys. Then only we can make realiable high performance engines
Engine का weight अधिक है तो tejas का weight कम कर लो ।
@@abhinav-Om bhai tejas already itna light weight h ab kya chahte ho ki paper ka bna de?.
@@ayushraj627Tejas ko aur halka kiya ja skta hai alluminium ko hatakar hm kuch aur use kr skte hai,uske upar aluminum ka alloy add krke, it's easy and yes we
They are going to use baseline F414 with 58kns of dry & 98kns of wet thrust in 4 Tonne heavy (MTOW),(1.5t by Dead W) Tejas mk2 & want 90kn thrust engine in Tejas mk1a. Even Mirage 2000 have 65kns of dry thrust compared to 58kn for mk2 despite being 0.5 tonnes lighter. Gripen have 64kn being 1 tonnes lighter.
Trust is only thing?
Need to use 70 kn dry thrust and 112 to 116 wet thrust for Tejas mk2 for good thrust to weight ratio
@@tusharchatterjee455 yes dry thrust between 65-70kns is necessary & 105kn of wet thrust should be enough, your configuration makes sense for AMCA.
Thanks!
You're welcome 😊
Bhk@@DefenceMatrix
@@DefenceMatrixwe have developed a single crystal turbine blade , a new fan . It can help us in weight reduction , if we are able to achieve it can easily scale up
The thrust discussed for 404 and russian engine etc is the peak power achieved in cold climatic condition testing
That is not what they produce in IAC
The weight of kaveri being discussed is mostly taken from older dataset which was provided. There are talks of some weight reduction ( not very much but some) so the weight now could be in 1100 kg or so with newer ab section etc.
All will be known only post testing though
Good detailed information
I think Kaveri is now being tested just for stability of the engine core.
The 48kn and 80kn , dry and wet are baselines.
Tuning the airflow pattern through bypass can increase the thrust...... It would probably max out at 52kn 88kn region though.
Still it is a heavy engine 😢
@anilv3724 Kaveri's basic structure is outdated - what would you expect ....but let it get fully functional first - the 2nd generation iteration won't be far behind then.
@@theheretic6739 Without testing tunnel & no research on metallurgy for years, our scientists achieved enough. Atleast we need our own engine to fly double engine jets.
Go and check the periodical table for the materials available for high temperature and for low weight of material
Wish if it was that easy to do
Meteorology Ko update karne se aur light weight v hoga aur higher power output milega sure. But hume M-88 k higher thrust verient k liye v France se baat karna chahiye. Might be Tejas Mk1 k future upgrade me useful hoga.
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@@ancientwarrior2374 we need 60kn of dry thrust
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Nahi us wahi chahta he trump ko ane do
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Instead of weight reduction we should focus on further dry and wet thrust increase with the same weight
If we achieve 90 Kn Wet and 55Kn dry with the same weight it'll fulfill all our requirements
If we start using we can make adjustments and make it workable within short time but Babus won’t take risk,,,, Weight can be reduced if improvements r made
It is utmost important to make a Fully operational aircraft with the current engine and improve it with time and experience. If you wait for perfection, by the time you reach current desired level, the technology become old and again you will have to raise your standards.
Do what Japan and China did. Use substandard engine and improve it into a masterpiece.
To reach anywhere we don't wait at our home for all the red traffic lights to be green...
Tejas, Kaveri, and AMCA should be priority. Rest stop gap should be indo-russian joint venture.
1:06 Bhai... 50Kn se zyada ka dry thrust hai currently... Jab russia mein high altitude testing facility mein test hua tha rab 50Kn+ dry thrust achieve hua tha
Compare to RD33 and F404 it will carry 145 less weight.... We can think that way..... Let's not indulge into power to weight ratio stats...... Any way Tejas is lightweight than Gripen where this 145kg extra engine weight can be trade of.
Bhai 85kN is brochure value. Real value in indian conditions will be lower.
If kaveri engine with afterburner weight supply 150 kg. higher than ge f404 engine it will be adjusted as Tejas mk1a will carry less than 150 kg. weight in fully loaded condition. Leter the weight of kaveri engine with afterburner should be tried to reduce. But now where no ge404 engine supply condition Indian govt. and Indian airforce should sought out permanent solution not depending upon foreign engine supply.
I think the GE F404 is rated at 87kN wet thrust at sea level and 20deg C. Kaveri is flat rated for 80kN in hot and high, so it is approximately equivalent. Weight reduction and durability testing still needs to be done.
Till today i have not understood why India can't make a good fighter jet engines....while it can do many more things.
Because engine is the toughest among all.
Historically budgetary restrictions and bureaucracy, but its getting fixed in the last few years
What u r doing?
Apart from commenting on Social media videosM
@@warrior_singh111I'm doing much better than you in my life and this question is completely out of your intelligence and it's not for your peanut sized brain.
Please keep out.
I already know the reasons but I asked for people who have very deep knowledge about the topic.
Spend 0.6-7% on R&D of your nominal GDP and expect progress like china woow
Wet thrust is more important as it directly affects MTOW. A lower MTOW means you takeoff with less fuel and weapons
95% of the time jet flys in dry thrust mode.. Even higher dry thrust can give u the capability of SUPER CRUISE without straining thr engine.. So yes higher dry thrust is more important... 👍
@@deltaandD7516 Don't think you understood how a low wet thrust affects you. It directly limits how much load you can take off with. Tejas barely carries 4 tonnes, imagine decreasing max wet thrust, it will go down to 3.5.
Kaveri is unreliable but testing can be done to understand the gap.
Improvement still needed !
R&D should continue
We can use provided IAF should show confidence on indigenous machinery.
Its time proceed with available indigenous options to be self relied😊
don't wait anymore, keep trying & improving
Jay Hind 🇮🇳❤
Start using it in order to setup the manufacturing lines & logistics quickly, improve every part eventually. Building a large & fast manufacturing infrastructure & supply chain is MORE IMPORTANT than performance now.
Tou are developing en engine for the first time and you are expecting to use it in single engine aircraft? Is it not better to use it in double engine fighter or 4 engine bomber? So you have to undertake a program where many engine is required so that you can mass produce this engine and the engine become smooth day by day and the thurst numbers must increase... Luckily we have such programme.. Airforce version of TEDBF or orca.
If it clears the test for single engine aircraft than why not..
Wese bhi konsa double ya multi engine wala kesa bhi aircraft develop kerne ka project chal raha hai ?? Koi bhi nahi..
Ek TEDBF hai par uski thrust requirements 100KNT se upper ki hai.
Toh bas Tejas hi bacha Kaveri ko use kerne ke liye..
Puraane kisi aircraft mein modify kerke aap testing ker sakte ho par uske liye Kaveri ko puri fleet mein nahi daal sakte.. vesse bhi Kaveri ko production ready hone mein 10-15 saal aur lagenge.. toh koi matlab nahi hai Tejas ke alawa kisi aur aircraft mein usse kerne ka Kaveri ka.
@@JonnyHindu TEDBF is 26 Tonnes category Deck based platform, 1.5 Tonnes heavier than Rafale M , and rafale M uses 75kn class M88, what made you think that TEDBF needs 100kn engine? Engine with thrust between 85-90kn should be fine for TEDBF & Mk1a.
@@unknown_5107because tedbf would be better than rafel m
Bright side is that we have touched the 80kn mark....dheere dheere aur bhi improvement hoga...lage raho ruko mat
Iss acha to tractor 🚜 engine lgaa deta
Reduce the weight without compromising thrust to increase the payload capability of aircraft. Obtain metallurgical technology through TOT. Define acceptable parameters of Indigenisation as feasible.
We must go ahead inspite of 150 kgs higher jet weight engine.and keep on making improvement. Understand with current wt it will carry lesser war head by 150 kgs.
Engine technology develop over the period of time during second world war and after that significant process happened ..but we should consider Indias situation at this time when these developments took place we can not expect more where we are right now .. yess after independence if governments could worked the same way today's gov working may be we have achieved it but wars with pakistan n china also there inactivity both responsible ..
But we were facing problems in missile technology n look where we are today I certainly know that the day will come our engine technology will beat rest of world by far
Yes, we can as kaveri was pre planned in alternative of ge 404.
Bharat Sarkar must go for atleast 1 squadron of Tejas with indegenous kaveri engine. And then let this tech mature with time and repeated flights of this squadron.
This will be invaluable and may lead to further improvement n innovation. Other programmes must get better engine simultaneously and manufacturing must go on
the navy and airforce should go for aircraft designed around twin kaveri engine. the improvements can be done over period of time. no one gets it right tbe 1st time
We should hire Indian Engineers working in foreign aviation industry.pay them extra . involve private players.we will get results very soon.
Ab Ayaa hai achee din 😊
Bhai why are you not defending kaveri (if 50kN/80kN is achieved). With the comparitively small investment we have made we are in a commendable position. If 50/80 kN is stable output, don't you think you should have supported aircraft integration instead of playing into the hands of Chandigarh lobby.
And you should have distinguished the brochure numbers and actual numbers of imported engine. By the way RD33 is very old gen tech. Kaveri might be ahead of ge404 in tech (i know with the kind of production numbers, i am out on a limb here)
काश ऐसा हो पाता
हम तो थक गए सुनते सुनते
Kya hum double engine use kar aircraft nhi bana sakte f18 ya rafel jaisa jiska double engine trust all most same hoga pls tell me
Then the weight will also double. tejas is the smallest jet designed for only a single jet engine.
TEDBF is double engine fighter jet hope IAF joins INDIAN NAVY for TEDBF program instead of wasting another decade in MRFA meantime we can develop 110 kb engine For AMCA and TEDBF.
Yes it's possible to utilise 2* kaveri in a 25 Tonne category fighter aircraft like Rafale. If they make it able to produce 85-90kns then they can use the same engine in Tejas mk1a & TEDBF.
Jaroor kar sakte hai aur ultimately yahi hoga...... Tejas mk1a aur tedbf me kaveri upgraded lagega❤
It takes ten years for good thrust and better engine government must spend at least one billion dollar in engines and research 😊
Issues with the Kaveri Engine
Inadequate Thrust: Produced only 76 kN, below the required 90-95 kN.
Reliability Problems: Compressor blade failures, vibrations, and poor high-altitude performance.
Outdated Technology: Components became obsolete due to prolonged development.
Delays and Cost Overruns: Over 30 years in development with significant budget overruns.
Foreign Assistance: Relied on Snecma (France) for corrections and improvements.
Weight Issues: Heavier than global counterparts, reducing efficiency.
Integration Failures: Issues with vibration and overheating during Tejas integration.
Limited Testing: Never completed flight tests for operational certification.
Kia Kuch resolve Karo gay? 😊
Pehle Ek Small Turbofan Engine bana lo Army ke Gulam 😂😂😂
all of the problems you stated were ironed out and it produces stable thrust only problem it has is that it's too heavy but hey its a start
Kab tak aise apni Imaginary facts ko Sahara lekar Apne aap ko tasalli dete rhoge...😂😭😭
Jao bacho jao
Jake IMRAN KHAN ke liye Pray karo aur Army ki Gulami😢😢😢
india has been working on quantum computing , nuclear fusion ,jet engines ,AESA radars, cryogenic engines ......name one world class thing that came out of pakistan i am waiting....meanwhile india has launched ESA's proba 3
@shadowjackson6135 Yes, the Uttam radar-the so-called world-class AESA radar that hasn't seen operational service on any fighter jet yet. A true marvel of imagination! Meanwhile, the Tejas, the aircraft it's supposedly destined for, is a patchwork of foreign parts: American engines, Israeli avionics, European weapons, and even tires that probably aren’t Indian-made.
And let’s not forget the engine saga-Kaveri couldn’t take off (literally), and now you need help from France and others just to keep the program breathing. But sure, claim the Uttam radar as "world-class" without proving it in combat or even serious deployment. Because why not? If the aircraft itself isn’t there yet, might as well let the radar join the fantasy league!
Next 15 years nothing will come out.
You get content thats all
Tejas is a good jet but the top management destroyed this beast
India should collaborate with french company to make aircraft engines
arey bhai, jo bhi enjan aap bana rahey ho uss par base kar plane banao n ki plane kay hisab say enjen banao. kum say kum aap uss enjen ka istmal toh shuru karo baad fir usmey sydhar kartey jao
We will get their bois
हमे uk या फ्रांस से मिलकर 110 कन का इंजिन विकसित करना चाहिए,कावेरी पर भी काम जारी राहु,दूसरे विमानो मे प्रयुक्त हो सकता है।हम रक्ष,विशेषकर अनुसा धान मे बहुत कम पैसा खर्च करते है,वोट के लिए सब्सिडी आदि पर खूब धान का उपव्यय होता है।
Even isro facing same issue with material weight they should do something
even if kaveri produces meets the requirement do we have the capacity to mass produce these engines ? more and more assembly lines, test beds, and rare components impost needed to prevent future delays
It can work for double engine Jets but not for single engine jets. Atleast 90kn wet thrust is required.
*Jai Hind Jai Bharat and Fast Track the Kaveri Engine Indigenously with Dry Thrust of 52 KN with After Burner 31 KN to replace GE 404 Fighter Jet Aircraft Engine*
BrahMos Aerospace is a collaboration between India and Russia. I wonder if the Russians quietly assisted in the development of the afterburner section.
Our problem is IAF need engine in first try they don’t want to wait for engine to be upgraded or modified. But for imported equipment they can adjust.
Bro make a video on why we are not able to achieve an excellent jet engine with a good thrust to weight ratio. what technologies we are lacking.
We can use it but it will be a nightmare for maintenance, the blades are still melting away after certain hours and weight is still an issue
Start using it in order to setup the manufacturing lines & logistics quickly, improve every part eventually. Building a large & fast manufacturing infrastructure & supply chain is MORE IMPORTANT than performance now.
kaveri might be able to fulfill Tejas's requirements
but does it fulfill chandigarh lobby's requirements?
Why not use kaveri for tedbf? Pretty sure it's sufficient for that
Ok mana isko tejhas me ni laga sakte but iske liye UAV deployment Q ni krte😮😮😮
❗ make a vedio about France's offer of single Crystal blade technology
kaveri engine is heavy 1200kg+ army needs it to be 1000kg and we need it to smaller in size to use in tejas mk2
You are quoting info that is 10 years old
It's already one of the smallest aircraft engine available..
And Army don't want anything from Kaveri program. It's IAF's domain.
For Tejas aircraft, Kaveri Engine is a little heavy [current → 1180kg, requirement → (1030-1080kg) or below]
and
produce lesser thrust than what is required [current → (dry) 52KNT | (wet) 73KNT , requires → (dry) 52+KNT | (wet) 85+KNT].
@@akashsrivastava7471 For Tejas mk2 you need 100kns of wet & 65kns of dry thrust, very unreal goal. First make kaveri able to produce 85kn.
@@unknown_5107 nobody is planning to put the kaveri in MK2... mk1 /1a ke baare me soch shakte hai mk2, amca, tedbf k liye to already f414 / upcoming 110kn engine planned hai.. 😑
@@deltaandD7516 nobody ! are you sure? The dude above says we need a smaller kaveri for Tejas mk2, i replied dude😁
When we can achieve dry thrust of 48KN what is the bottle neck to get it increased by at least to 55-60KN? What are challenges DRDO is facing?
They have to achieve it with same dimensions and lesser weight (below 1100kg).
And the reliability, endurance and economy of the engine should not be lower than the competition (f-414).
And that's a totally different game to achieve.. 😐
depends on the thrust to weight ratio
Kavery new version was recently ground successfully tested for 50KN dry thrust and they are planning to test it for 54KN dry thrust
India needs Indian Institute of metallurgy, just like IIT.
Are single crystals blades used in current kaveri engine?
Yes
Midhani and ptc industries both have this technology ❤
अरे भैया..... रामायण गा दी, पर समझ नहीं आई............
इसका इतना, उसका उतना... ड्राई इतना, wet उतना... ये सब याद थोड़े ही रहता है... अपने एडिटर को बोलिये, की ये आंकड़े स्क्रीन पर दिखाए, ताकि visually बात समझ आये। 😊😊🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Hal marut ki progress kya hai
Are we working on adaptive cycle technology for jet engine in our upcoming amca fighter?
80 kilonewton ka thrust = 17985 pound of thrust which is way lesser than 25000 pound thrust of f16 .
F-16 is a much heavier aircraft than Tejas.
I don't think so abhi f16 me f404 use hota hai.. 🤔
@@deltaandD7516
F-16 uses GE-F110 engine.
A larger engine with 130 kN of thrust. It is what Turkey 🦃 uses in its Kaan👂plane. Two of them.
@@mtrest4 than y can't we have that instead of f414...? 🤔 is it old -unreliable or something...? 🤷♂️
Bhai use karo ise thoda bahut hi udane lage bahut hai
Koi bolta ha 46kn koi bolta ha 48.5kn and koi bolta ha 50kn pls stick with one pls pls pls
😂😂bro let them make a aircraft first.then we can improve
shouldn't it still be okay to integrate this tech, so that DRDO can learn from this, isn't it fine if kaveri is marginally worse if we can get the numbers of Tejas up, because of the integration, or is the weight too much to even test out the engine
simple its suitable with wet thrust for tedbf
Well , you have to start somewhere to reach somewhere
I hope Pakistan get the 5 th gen aircraft 6 month before time so to put direct pressure on Indian government💀
Mukesh kumar India will buy su57 in panic mode when PAF gets the 5th gen fighters...
Airforce or indian think tank know better than you... they know paf capabilities... you need to calm down
Sure @@subhajitsaha5668
sab fake news hai...failure ko new raper me introduce karke fund lene hai aur next 10 years tak enjoy....😂...
Agr apke pas kaveri engen teyar hai to ap phir USA k talwy ku chate phir rhy hain
Ham kaveri mig29 me use kr sakta hai na ??
Mig21 bro mig29is twin jet engine jet
@ipiano5377 arre testing ke liye mig29 me
For testing - yes
For upgrade/change - But why ?
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Why is no one talking about EJ200 engine....thats perfect for tejas 90kn thrust an d 6o kn dry thrust ....s smaller than ge 404 and lighter as well.. just a lil longer
Sir will any defence deal be signed during Putin's visit to India?
I think yes Russia is pushing hard..
@ShashankSingh-hb8uf I hope it's Su-57
It's high time government focuses on investing in material science. To manufacture any product be it water bottle to jet engine, type of material used matters. GTRE should consult maruti suzuki in this regard as they are very good in reducing weight in their vehicles 😂.
ge 404 84 Kn but indian Condution Ut will give Only ,79 Kn Source Was IDRw! We Need To Use Kaveri In some Of The palnes In Order Go Make It better , U Either use it with aTwin engine Plane it will help Tquick The engine Without Safety issue
Ager 1 tone km weight ke saath fly kare tab to ud sakta Hai na 😮
ना तो यह इंजन बनेगा ना तू सेम टॉपिक पे वीडियो बनाना बंद करेगा 😂😂😂10,20 साल तक यही वीडियो बनायी जा धड़ा धड़ू
Use karne layk abhi h.. a less powerful engine wins over delayed engines causing less aircrafts in inventory.. why are we not integrating kaveri for flight certificate yet?? Is kaveri 2.0 also being sabotaged??? 😢
Jai hind 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳