@@DaniDoyle as a curiosity. Why no? (Unless with is farce) Since the dragon stone changes Corrins stats, and changes how he's used, he'll fufill the gameplay role of a jaigen (obviouslt not the character role of one).
Took me all day to finish this but after everything I can only conclude that Jacob is probably the most Jagen out of them. That fact will not stop me from always having heavy klutz maid favouritism.
It's definitely better in Birthright because of availability, but one of Felicia's unique niches is that, because of her class level shenanigans, she can guaranteed activate Takumi's manlet personal ability, which can be really hard for other primary-backpack units. It's a shame their actual support sucks so much, though, it makes me feel bad doing that to her. Hopefully she can become a billionaire in the inevitable divorce that comes from a rocky marriage with royalty
Actually I think that that trait is more helpful in rev than birthright personally since Takumi himself is better in rev than BR, meaning that you are more likely to be using him and benefiting from that. In fairness Jakob/Felicia's not the only one (reina, camilla, gunter azura, and corrin all can too) but it's nice.
I always thought that Jakob was a great jagen. I don't know if this is still a popular thing to do, but I remember back in the day a lot of people would instantly reclass jakob into a paladin. Really fun to use him as one.
@@revivalfromruins Depends on route, but either way I don’t see strategist Felicia as very valuable for the first heart seal personally in any route unless I’m gunning to pass on rally res to kana rallybot or something. I like daggers debuffs and with personal, she and corrin get work done with dual strikes. Plus in conquest you get the flame shuriken early enough where her damage just beats Jacob. Wyvern Elise is indeed pretty fantastic. An alternative is to feed her the master seal in conquest 11 real quick if conserving the heart seal. The classic choice is mozu, she can make do without it cause her str growth will keep up so she can actually do fine with javelin. But if you do go for it quick draw is great for conquest. I think samurai Odin is quite a fun choice if desired or if we really gaming, outlaw nyx lmao(not great, but interesting at least plus movement on pair up). My personal favourite choices outside conquest is Sakura for birthright and rev. Sky knight lets me bench subaki(lmao) and helps immedietely with fugas map and I can get access to rally speed, luck, magic all in one. Or I just heart seal corrin cause I planned something weird out.
I remember when the online features were active, I got Aptitude on Gunter and tried to solo Rev wirh Corrin as his Pair-Up bot. I reclassed him to Dread Fighter and he got to Ch 13 before the stat gap was too much
>Skill set called "The Gambler" >looks inside >no gamble Never used early Jacob/late Felica since I only play as male Corrin, but the other placements seem right to me. Also Salvage Blow should be great on Siegbert's map when you just have to kill the boss and only a few enemies spawn every round. I used Anna for that once and it made me a billionaire!
I'm glad I was not wrong all those years ago when I played Fates as male Corrin every time to think that late Jakob was irredeemably bad. By the time I did Revelation as my 3rd playthrough, I'm pretty sure I just used him as backpack only in grind battles only for the sole purpose of unlocking Dwyer and banished him to the shadow realm (or should I say deep realm?) immediately after
Billionaire!!! Thank you for the info and review! I now wanna try making Felicia into a glass cannon and Jakob into a Bowman!!! Awesome vid! Keep it up!
It’s genuinely fun and exciting to watch (and/or listen to) long-form detailed videos discussing Fire Emblem units in-depth by people much better at these games than I am. On the other hand, if I had a drink every time Dani says bolster I would have been dead mid-Corrin video. Cheers!
Obviously the Jagen of Fates is Gunter because he takes a dive off a bridge in chapter 3. He literally falls off. Jokes aside, this was a really thorough breakdown of the retainers and while I personally think Fire Emblem archetypes are silly and unnecessary, I agree with the assessment that Jakob fits the role of Jagen best out of the early game Fates cast.
I swear I have never seen anyone talk about Felicia and Jakob for this long lol. Early Felicia as Bow Knight is so extremely good (at least in CQ), I need to spread the word. Does great combat earlygame (not too dissimilar to even Pally Jakob...!) and then transfers to great utility from that point onwards w/ Rally Skill.
It is kind of cool how the different routes make units feel fundamentally different from each other... Felicia joins at the same time in br Rev and conquest, and has mostly the same options across all three routes but because of the game structures the viability of those options feel wildly different
Saying Gunter gains experience as if he promoted at level 5 is technically inaccurate; his internal level is considered to be 5 above his displayed level at all times, which is different than promoting at level 5 in Fates.
To be fair to Gunter. Without taking reclass into equation, I do think his weapon triangle advantage plus having Luna at level 5 does him a lot of favors that units like Subaki and Hana simply don’t get to enjoy. If you do manage to get him to LvL 15 for Armored Blow, then he is actually able to do very decent chip damage due to the player phase defense buff. And since you joked about the stat booster shop all being piled on Gunter. As someone who has done this before, it actually works out better than you might think. Haha.
Misread the video length as 20 minutes, but I couldn’t be happier with the actuality LOL Obviously this would be after the REView series - but (if you’d be interested/it’s not too much hassle) it could be helpful to make some videos on very basic concepts for Fates for anyone looking to put your tier list into use. Ex: experience. You’ve talked about it quite a bit, but a dedicated video could be nice. You could go into a few practical examples of units you have promoted early to benefit from the unique experience calc from Fates and to get promoted skills early (even if they aren’t end-game units/you plan to switch to their kid). I bring this up because I’ve heard multiple people mention Corrin’s “soft EXP cap” - which I’m guessing is just that Corrin becomes 5ish levels higher than enemies so EXP gained becomes pretty pitiful? But don’t actually know what level that happens at or if there are other considerations we should be mindful of as a result (such as purposefully feeding kills to other units during Branch of Fate since they’ll hit that “soft cap” regardless). Great video as always :)
I actually like putting Felicia into Bow Knight, it has laughably bad MUs in early rev but it’s surprisingly fun in CQ and you can also move on to Shining Bow blunt rotations once you reach C rank with her
It is kind of cool how the different routes make units feel fundamentally different from each other... Felicia joins at the same time in br Rev and conquest, and has mostly the same options across all three routes but because of the game structures the viability of those options feel wildly different
Wow! With this wealth of knowledge, I'm going to feel like a billionaire! ... but like, just in the feeling spoiled way, not an evil overlord way. Just want to clarify 😅
Honestly the fact that there is no cookie cutter jagen makes an alternative opinion of the not so regular idea the both me and a friend of mine have that weirdly Azura is the Jagen as the casual player in the mid to late game will only use her as a dance bot. IDK just an idea because XP from dancing is constant and takes forever to level up?
i think you will appreciate this! i am 98% sure i cant play revelations currently bc i forgot to buy it before nintendo killed the 3ds store. on my 3ds the realms will never be united
I think Rev is the one game I prefer Jakob over Felicia. The one male tank you have early on is Subaki and he doesn't really mind not having Demoiselle. While the ladies appreciate them alot.
I’ve been using Jakob as the Jagen you describe him as; Fighting and tanking when my army is generally weak and letting him slide into the background as everyone else grows stronger. I had no idea about that wacky inheritance interaction with Azura/Shigure, I think I’ll aim for that now that I know about it lol. I was gonna pair Azura with Laslow so he can become Rallyman, but like I can also get that by pairing him with Selena so it’s fine. Also The Mechanical Benefits of Being Transgender absolutely took me out, wonderful comic timing and delivery Also billionaires should not exist 👍
The Jagen of rev for me is corrin :D. Corrin just has such an exp lead at the start their exp will drop off a cliff killing unpromoted. And we get Gunter and our servant to amp corrin too. (I personally prefer Felicia cause flame shuriken gives more usage come mid game than Jacob and she buffs corrin damage) Outside rev though, I would actually say Silas. With vow of friendship he really claps and he’s also a cav so might as well. He does scale well into the mid to late game but whatever, he’s the jagen for me. I don’t take into account fall off that much actually, as jagen types a lot of times are still good enough for a majority of the game(fe6 gaming). Doesn’t follow the traditional archetype definition but that’s me.
Watching this video while playing revelation for the first time is certainly interesting... Anyways the real jagen of revelation is Scarlet because she fell off
If being good late game disqualifies one from being a Jagen, then what the hell is Fredrick from Awakening? Yeah, he's not the best character in the late game (not having Galeforce is pretty crippling, but I mean, that's the entire first generation male cast, and most of the first gen female cast, so...) but he's still good.
I love your content, but unfortunately I have an arbitrary rule that i will stay ignorate on anythin Fates related because it sounds like fanfiction. Arthur from fe4 is the billionaire Jagen of fates.
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Dragonstone next question
No
I was just about to comment this lol
Maybe the real Jagen was the parents who died along the way
@@DaniDoyle as a curiosity. Why no? (Unless with is farce)
Since the dragon stone changes Corrins stats, and changes how he's used, he'll fufill the gameplay role of a jaigen (obviouslt not the character role of one).
It's me when I name my Avatar that and promote him to a Paladin at level 10
Woah!
Seeing all these comments saying “dragon stone is the jagen of fates”….smh. the dragon stone is obviously a Doga archetype. you fools.
@@LazKoal Sorry for being an idiot, but what's a Doga architype?
@Lucas17031 The units who WILL choke these points. (Early Armor Knights)
"Unit Rev-iew" "There's no middle ground." Hold up, is the writing this fire?!
Emblem
Took me all day to finish this but after everything I can only conclude that Jacob is probably the most Jagen out of them. That fact will not stop me from always having heavy klutz maid favouritism.
It's definitely better in Birthright because of availability, but one of Felicia's unique niches is that, because of her class level shenanigans, she can guaranteed activate Takumi's manlet personal ability, which can be really hard for other primary-backpack units.
It's a shame their actual support sucks so much, though, it makes me feel bad doing that to her. Hopefully she can become a billionaire in the inevitable divorce that comes from a rocky marriage with royalty
Actually I think that that trait is more helpful in rev than birthright personally since Takumi himself is better in rev than BR, meaning that you are more likely to be using him and benefiting from that. In fairness Jakob/Felicia's not the only one (reina, camilla, gunter azura, and corrin all can too) but it's nice.
"The Bare-Foot Dragon" sounds like a badass martial arts master and now I'm dissappointed Corrin isn't that.
Lovin these vids!
And Alear took that personal but he isn't barefoot
Veyle took all the barefootness
That line about Fates being a decade old at the start hurt my soul. Thumbs up for the rest of the vid though.
I always thought that Jakob was a great jagen. I don't know if this is still a popular thing to do, but I remember back in the day a lot of people would instantly reclass jakob into a paladin. Really fun to use him as one.
Some people still do it but I think Strategist!Felicia or the more memetic Wyvern!Elise is the meta for the first heart seal now
@@revivalfromruins Depends on route, but either way I don’t see strategist Felicia as very valuable for the first heart seal personally in any route unless I’m gunning to pass on rally res to kana rallybot or something. I like daggers debuffs and with personal, she and corrin get work done with dual strikes. Plus in conquest you get the flame shuriken early enough where her damage just beats Jacob.
Wyvern Elise is indeed pretty fantastic. An alternative is to feed her the master seal in conquest 11 real quick if conserving the heart seal.
The classic choice is mozu, she can make do without it cause her str growth will keep up so she can actually do fine with javelin. But if you do go for it quick draw is great for conquest. I think samurai Odin is quite a fun choice if desired or if we really gaming, outlaw nyx lmao(not great, but interesting at least plus movement on pair up). My personal favourite choices outside conquest is Sakura for birthright and rev. Sky knight lets me bench subaki(lmao) and helps immedietely with fugas map and I can get access to rally speed, luck, magic all in one. Or I just heart seal corrin cause I planned something weird out.
I remember when the online features were active, I got Aptitude on Gunter and tried to solo Rev wirh Corrin as his Pair-Up bot. I reclassed him to Dread Fighter and he got to Ch 13 before the stat gap was too much
lolololol
thats epic......
These are exactly the kind of videos that help me survive the workday. Love the level of detail and analysis!
I'm glad you like them! Good luck at work..m
>Skill set called "The Gambler"
>looks inside
>no gamble
Never used early Jacob/late Felica since I only play as male Corrin, but the other placements seem right to me.
Also Salvage Blow should be great on Siegbert's map when you just have to kill the boss and only a few enemies spawn every round. I used Anna for that once and it made me a billionaire!
Fellow male Corrin user spotted! Early game magic boon with Felicia EATS!
I'm glad I was not wrong all those years ago when I played Fates as male Corrin every time to think that late Jakob was irredeemably bad. By the time I did Revelation as my 3rd playthrough, I'm pretty sure I just used him as backpack only in grind battles only for the sole purpose of unlocking Dwyer and banished him to the shadow realm (or should I say deep realm?) immediately after
Now he knows how gen 2 feels
Billionaire!!!
Thank you for the info and review! I now wanna try making Felicia into a glass cannon and Jakob into a Bowman!!! Awesome vid! Keep it up!
It’s genuinely fun and exciting to watch (and/or listen to) long-form detailed videos discussing Fire Emblem units in-depth by people much better at these games than I am.
On the other hand, if I had a drink every time Dani says bolster I would have been dead mid-Corrin video. Cheers!
Lol oops I didn't realize I use thay word so much
Maybe the Jagen of Fire Emblem Fates were the friends we made along the way
Obviously the Jagen of Fates is Gunter because he takes a dive off a bridge in chapter 3. He literally falls off.
Jokes aside, this was a really thorough breakdown of the retainers and while I personally think Fire Emblem archetypes are silly and unnecessary, I agree with the assessment that Jakob fits the role of Jagen best out of the early game Fates cast.
Would an NB Corrin grant access to early Flora
😳
God I WISH (enby Flora fan here btw)
I swear I have never seen anyone talk about Felicia and Jakob for this long lol.
Early Felicia as Bow Knight is so extremely good (at least in CQ), I need to spread the word. Does great combat earlygame (not too dissimilar to even Pally Jakob...!) and then transfers to great utility from that point onwards w/ Rally Skill.
It is kind of cool how the different routes make units feel fundamentally different from each other... Felicia joins at the same time in br Rev and conquest, and has mostly the same options across all three routes but because of the game structures the viability of those options feel wildly different
Saying Gunter gains experience as if he promoted at level 5 is technically inaccurate; his internal level is considered to be 5 above his displayed level at all times, which is different than promoting at level 5 in Fates.
To be fair to Gunter. Without taking reclass into equation, I do think his weapon triangle advantage plus having Luna at level 5 does him a lot of favors that units like Subaki and Hana simply don’t get to enjoy.
If you do manage to get him to LvL 15 for Armored Blow, then he is actually able to do very decent chip damage due to the player phase defense buff.
And since you joked about the stat booster shop all being piled on Gunter. As someone who has done this before, it actually works out better than you might think. Haha.
The way I see it, Gunter is the Jagen of the pre-Branch of Fate chapters. Afterwards, he's the New Mystery Arran of Revelations.
"Forceful Partner" was a very unfortunate name for a personal skill.
The question billionaires' AI can't handle - why is Jakob such a terrible father?
I feel like it's just Corrin as an Oifey/Jagen
What if the jagen was the one we made along the way
Real!
Misread the video length as 20 minutes, but I couldn’t be happier with the actuality LOL
Obviously this would be after the REView series - but (if you’d be interested/it’s not too much hassle) it could be helpful to make some videos on very basic concepts for Fates for anyone looking to put your tier list into use. Ex: experience. You’ve talked about it quite a bit, but a dedicated video could be nice. You could go into a few practical examples of units you have promoted early to benefit from the unique experience calc from Fates and to get promoted skills early (even if they aren’t end-game units/you plan to switch to their kid). I bring this up because I’ve heard multiple people mention Corrin’s “soft EXP cap” - which I’m guessing is just that Corrin becomes 5ish levels higher than enemies so EXP gained becomes pretty pitiful? But don’t actually know what level that happens at or if there are other considerations we should be mindful of as a result (such as purposefully feeding kills to other units during Branch of Fate since they’ll hit that “soft cap” regardless).
Great video as always :)
When you're at the soft EXP cap you gain zero experience from chip damage and one experience from kills.
@ ahhh ty!
I actually like putting Felicia into Bow Knight, it has laughably bad MUs in early rev but it’s surprisingly fun in CQ and you can also move on to Shining Bow blunt rotations once you reach C rank with her
It is kind of cool how the different routes make units feel fundamentally different from each other... Felicia joins at the same time in br Rev and conquest, and has mostly the same options across all three routes but because of the game structures the viability of those options feel wildly different
Wow! With this wealth of knowledge, I'm going to feel like a billionaire!
... but like, just in the feeling spoiled way, not an evil overlord way. Just want to clarify 😅
Maybe the jagen was the drago- friends we found along the way.
Honestly the fact that there is no cookie cutter jagen makes an alternative opinion of the not so regular idea the both me and a friend of mine have that weirdly Azura is the Jagen as the casual player in the mid to late game will only use her as a dance bot. IDK just an idea because XP from dancing is constant and takes forever to level up?
i think you will appreciate this! i am 98% sure i cant play revelations currently bc i forgot to buy it before nintendo killed the 3ds store. on my 3ds the realms will never be united
07 another victim of evil Nintendo
9:28 Excellent stealth bait.
🤫😄
Dragonstone
Nah
I think Rev is the one game I prefer Jakob over Felicia. The one male tank you have early on is Subaki and he doesn't really mind not having Demoiselle. While the ladies appreciate them alot.
Its me. I'm great at the early game but lose interest later on.
I’ve been using Jakob as the Jagen you describe him as; Fighting and tanking when my army is generally weak and letting him slide into the background as everyone else grows stronger. I had no idea about that wacky inheritance interaction with Azura/Shigure, I think I’ll aim for that now that I know about it lol. I was gonna pair Azura with Laslow so he can become Rallyman, but like I can also get that by pairing him with Selena so it’s fine.
Also The Mechanical Benefits of Being Transgender absolutely took me out, wonderful comic timing and delivery
Also billionaires should not exist 👍
Who is the Jagan to rule them all?
Arthur
The Jagen of rev for me is corrin :D. Corrin just has such an exp lead at the start their exp will drop off a cliff killing unpromoted. And we get Gunter and our servant to amp corrin too. (I personally prefer Felicia cause flame shuriken gives more usage come mid game than Jacob and she buffs corrin damage)
Outside rev though, I would actually say Silas. With vow of friendship he really claps and he’s also a cav so might as well. He does scale well into the mid to late game but whatever, he’s the jagen for me.
I don’t take into account fall off that much actually, as jagen types a lot of times are still good enough for a majority of the game(fe6 gaming). Doesn’t follow the traditional archetype definition but that’s me.
9:25 whats wrong with melday?
Sub to EatUrGrns to find out ...
🔥 🔥 🔥 Miracle quixotic vengeance Felicia 🔥🔥🔥
I love 2 hour videos on pointless Fire Emblem minutia
The true Jagen is clearly logbook Ninja
9:27 Wait wait wait what in the actual heck is this?
A "very normal" fe6 tier list that definitely doesn't get more unhinged the longer you look at it...
I do really love ALL Dani Doyle videos!!!! ❤
If a Jaegen is expected to fall off...
well...
Guess I'm the Jaegen, because boy has this joke fallen off.
😥
1:43:20 you killed me 😂
1:54:21 billionaires don’t want you to know about this, but it’s true!
Watching this video while playing revelation for the first time is certainly interesting...
Anyways the real jagen of revelation is Scarlet because she fell off
If being good late game disqualifies one from being a Jagen, then what the hell is Fredrick from Awakening? Yeah, he's not the best character in the late game (not having Galeforce is pretty crippling, but I mean, that's the entire first generation male cast, and most of the first gen female cast, so...) but he's still good.
Personally I don't think it disqualifies you (like you say Frederick is amazing all game long, and it's hard not to call him a jagen)
I refuse to believe Gunter is 7 feet tall
out of frame, hes wearing high heels
@@DaniDoyle damn he's too afraid to give gunt on camera i see i see
Fates is just a weird case in that there is no true Jagen. Folks wanna look for archetypes where there aren't necessarily any.
Ok but who's the merric?
I love your content, but unfortunately I have an arbitrary rule that i will stay ignorate on anythin Fates related because it sounds like fanfiction. Arthur from fe4 is the billionaire Jagen of fates.
Respectfully, what the flip.
@@LiteDrift I have to much FE knowledge in my brain and I will NOT learn more 👎👎👎 also I really hate Corrin lol
The worst unit in all video games is clearly Hilda from Three Houses. Lazy and racist. Yuck, pick a struggle
Smh jagen is obviously the boots