Drumless beats are underground compared to mainstream Hip-hop but as someone who studies Hip-hop and raps they are really at the cornerstone of the underground. One of the first pieces of advice I got for improving my flow was to do Acapella and drum less beats. Drums give a structure and contrast so it's unlikely drum less will take over completely but for more abstract or atmospheric songs sure.
@@joshualane1716 you would be surprised. I’ve been recording music for 9 years and can only recall meeting one person who still uses a metronome. I sure don’t. I use the feel of the music to guide me. Only time I use a metronome is to start a beat and lock in the tempo. After that I turn it off.
When I asked my friends a couple years ago to describe my music taste, they just said Earl Sweatshirt 😂 but they really meant Navy Blue, RAP Ferreira, MIKE, Mavi, and all of these other abstract and drumless style rappers. Great music taste man 👅
@@shingielee true i see it, they definitely love their drums. But they’re definitely no stranger to drumless raps! I can see them more as a gateway drug tbh
Bro "drumless" is just another option for Boom-Bap style rappers and producers. This has been a thing since '97. It is just finally become more popular.
Drumless means you not add drums on ableton or fl studio or whatever you use for producing You just sample the song and if sample already had drums in it it still count as drumless people always misubderstood that
I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU COMMENTED ON OUTKAST'S E.T.!!!! I was really about to yell at the top of my lungs about it. My Personal favorite song from Outkast. Hold this W, Dave.
I think I got into the genre with Earl's Some Rap Songs and I was trying to find more but it took a bit for the drumless tag to really start showing up. But I gotta say it's become one of my fave styles of Hip-Hop throughout the late 10s and on. "A Quiet Farewell, 2016-2018" by Slauson Malone is incredible as one of the more instrumental albums in the genre. It is very sound collage the way it's put together and so vibrant with good variety. Also nice there are featured rappers here and there on it.
WILD Production on Heavy Mental. Sounds like you're in outer space. An incredibly underrated soundtrack too. I think the only percussion I hear is.... a heart beat?
@@talentedmrflowers Roc Marciano is sick as f...arguably top 10 of all time. And his influence is crazy. Even here on Balkan people are inspired by him
Boldy James is absolutely fantastic, I got recommended "Monte Cristo" off the Versace Tape like close to 2 years ago now and he has been a staple in my hiphop playlist ever since. His tracks feel soo good to listen to, like cruising in a 1960s Oldsmobile into the sunset, at the sea, while seagulls scream in the background and the light breeze is heavy with the smell of sea salt
I had something similar happen to me, but instead it was a youtube comment that recommended Pray for Paris. Ever since then I haven’t gone back. The feeling and atmosphere Griselda paints is insane
Thank you for mentioning RZA! Dear Lord. He's the Father of all this new Gritty hip hop. There's also "All that I got is you" (Ghostface 1996) & "Hollow Bones" (Wu 2000). To me a piece of this genre is having an engaging/soulful baseline that compensates for the lack of drums
Great picks! Drumless has been around for a long time! The Wutang Clan is incredibly large and influential yet sometimes their most creative efforts are stuck in the underground.
I stopped rapping years ago. Big hiatus. Recently I've decided I'll try again but I have no hopes or expectations of going big. I just want to be apart of the art form because it's fun to be creative and improve. I'm already thinking of ways to get better. It's funny because I noticed this pattern of drum less beats and I planned on making a drumless beat and rapping over it. Got the idea from Peppas by Westside and 6:16 in LA by Kendrick.
never seen before? you said it your self, MF doom had been making and using beats like this since the late 90s. some times all you need is the clipping of a hard sample attack instead of a drum. great video. love your passion
One of the first albums that introduced me to drumless hip hop was Anchovies by Apollo Brown & Planet Asia. If you like this sort of stuff its a must listen, its the type of album youd listen to on a quiet night and just contemplate life.
@@alecmohney7555 I like these recommendations! My introduction to drumless was probably Ka or Roc Marciano. They got those albums that make you think too. Will give it a listen!
Most Of My Top Tier Production Are Drumless, I Still Cook When I Use Drums Too Tho, Sampling Is Kinda What I Was Born To Do, My Channel Is Heaven For Beat Heads, Swear That, Great Video🎛️🔥💯 Note: Ohh, And If You Have Any Critic For Drumless Hip Hop Production, Umm, Nobody Cares.
[sLUms.] is barely together anymore, Ade Hakim got all salty over MIKEs fame he was getting, saying MIKE was fake & that he was being taken in by the industry. They're all probably talking still.. I'm pretty sure King Carter & MIKE are still cool but yeh'. they don't even upload on their channel.
You gotta check out this artist called Ja’king the Divine from New York . His album run Delusions of Grandeur, Operation Black Sun Tzu , Parables of the Sower and Fear & loathing in Long Island is one of the best and most underrated runs I’ve seen in a long time.
OHHH S this sounds incredibly interesting. I gotta check them out. Man this video got me so many great recs. Thanks I will check out Ja'King the Divine!
Animoss is the producer of Hermit & The Recluse's "Orpheus & The Sirens" with Ka; Hermit & The Recluse is the name of their duo project. Definitely peep all of Animoss's credits! He's produced some of my favorite Roc Marci songs
Drumless is not the only place to find “Storytelling albums that encompass relevant topics.” Im sure you know that, but you made it seem that way. Most artists you mentioned don’t make only drumless. Most artists you speak of fall into indie rap. Maybe you should broaden your topic into indie rap and a lot of the things you said would ring truer.
Hmmm I see where you’re coming from but I didnt say drumless beats are exclusively storytelling or the other way around. The storytelling stood out to me because I was focusing on the voices more than the beats! Also yes many artists I mentioned do not have an entire discography dedicated to drumless, however I wanted to highlight the drumless tracks they had. It’s kinda hard to talk about exclusively drumless rappers and producers when they make so much music. I just wanted to bring together some well known artists who dabble in the genre and showcase their drumless work. I hope this makes sense!
Yes! They do! However, the subgenre "drumless" I believe falls under the category of hip hop. It might just be considered progressive or experimental in the rock scene even if they don’t have drums... Genre categorizations are interesting. Never even paid attention to Welcome to the Machine's lack of drums!
Yo, this gave me an awesome idea for the outro of the EP I'm working on rn! thank you very much for sharing. I've heard Marlon Craft On a Drumless Tune before but never thought there was full length LPs doing this style. Great Job Dave!
Dude this is by far the best recommendation i’ve gotten from a youtube video. Holy shit. Mary Sue is that UNDERGROUND sound done so well. I think he just needs to work on some mixing. Otherwise the structure, rapping, style, and sounds are really good
Cognitive guy is BEGGING Earl to stub his toe and realize life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, and THEN and ONLY THEN can he be inspired to make a depressing album
@@Normalcognitivedave yea exactly what i was thinking it can definitely get him back to his more slow lyrical flow like the one he used on rock bottom that’ll definitely help younger fans enjoy him i think and put genre on a bigger scale plus him and alch got history
Freddie Gibbs is prob one of if not the only rapper who is just as good on a drumless, boom bap or trap beat. Suprised you didnt mention him, considering how great his madlib and alchemist collabs are. Great video nonetheless.
oh yeah but I guess he didn't have much except some songs on Alfredo. I did say though that that gangsta rap is what usually compliments the genre and Freddie was who I was thinking of at the time.
It’s not that there’s NO drums right it’s just less of a focus and theyre stripped back and lower priority compared to the rest of the elements of the song. Thanks!
@@Normalcognitivedave Ahaha already ahead of ya. Sent this vid to many of my friends that are into hiphop. Just keep making good work, it'll happen as a by-product of that I'm sure. Cheers man :)
Keep that energy going drum less hip hop will be the new movement we need much more better artist and not just a hand full here and there it needs to expand globally
gang hate to be the " but actually" guy but rhine stone has drums on it LMAOO. Im a prod myself, that harsh ass snare is NOT the sample and he just low passed the kicks really. funny enough, alot of these "drumless" really arent drumless, just filtered for effect.
@@bernard12324 lol ye but drumless isn’t the absense of drums, more so just less focus on drums. I do say it in the video too that they sometimes add snares or kicks here and there to make the piece more cohesive!
Drumless means you not add drums on ableton or fl studio or whatever you use for producing You just sample the song and if sample already had drums in it it still count as drumless people always misunderstand that
hey do you have a spotify Playlist of the songs you mentioned in this video as well as songs with similar vibes? I would be very excited to listen if so
I think a great recent example of this is BkTheRula - WISHUWASDACREW this song embodies everything you’re saying. I belive the intention of going drumless espescially when it comes to hip hop is to challenge the boundaries within the genre. Although she is doing some singing on the track it is mainly rap, which in my opinion goes well with the intent of challenging the genre. «How much can I sing before its not considered hip hop?» «what is the minimum of drums I gotta use for it to be considered hip hop». Not saying this was her thought process, but in the context of this video i find the song fitting and representing of the idea.
This is actually cool! People are having real deep thoughts about the boundaries of hip hop! Also, I’m glad you mentioned a female rapper. I thought they weren’t represented enough in this genre fs
yoo i feel I lowkey like being underground onsome starving artist shi but Im such a contrarian maybe id be that dude whos spittin lyrical mush on a trap beat, Thankfully mr JD and MF got us right
Idk I think drumless is kind of on its way out. I thought that new Bronson record was alright but it felt like it worked as a kind of goodbye to that era. Alc will always be a timeless exclusiveness to rap on, but it seems like the rest of the artists are getting kind of bored with the style.
It could be! Action bronson has always dabbled and idk if he’ll just up and stop but maybe it could fade out. Theres still tons of rappers sticking to it cause it’s their bread and butter. I can see new people coming in while others leave naturally.
bro you should listen to the album “half god” by Wiki from 2021. the whole album barely has drums but the rapping is fire as fuck. the samples are amazing too
BRO IM SORRY I WROTE THE VIDEO BEFORE I KNEW ABOUT LARRY! Look for another comment down here where he mentions Larry though, you guys would be great friends.
In what way have really creative rappers "gone beyond the art"? (3:20) What does that even mean? How does the fact that there are instrumental Hip-Hop records have anything to do with your statement about rappers' flows complimenting the beat but not the "other way around"? Lots of producers have made beats specifically for rappers and consider their flows to guide the beats they make and play for them. There have been producers using minimal drums since the beginning of beats. Lots of producers have used samples without adding additional drums. Yes, a minimal track features/highlights the lyricist. But you can always have more going on in the track and then just take elements out and make it sparser when the rapper is doing their verse. Like how DJ's don't scratch over the whole song and musicians don't solo all over the vocalist's part, usually. That is part of arrangement. Just looping a sample may work for a track here and there, it gives your ear a change from the same repetitive thing of every beat always having a kick, snare, and hat. But if your whole album, or style of production, is doing that it just sounds boring and lazy to me. Because again, it is repetitive. The reason it worked on ATLiens was because the rest of the album wasn't like that.
I think drumless rappers go beyond the art because they know the rules so well, they can break them. And in this case it typically involves having a whole album be drumless. I know there’s exceptions to everything, but that consistency and choosing NOT to bring in drums in a traditionally drum heavy genre is a bold choice, hence we have people like you who may not enjoy it as much because it doesn’t sound… correct for lack of a better term
@@Normalcognitivedave You can like what you like, I am glad you like some good Hip-Hop. But you sound like somebody who listened to a crate of records and now thinks they understand the culture and its history. There is more than one crate, firstly, and having an appreciation for an artform is not the same as being an artist. I didn't say it sounded "incorrect". I said "boring and lazy" when that is the only thing they do. What is offensive to me is that you think of Hip-Hop as a 'genre' like there is a definition of it. Like there ever was a "correct" way to do it. It is supposed to challenge your expectations. It was from the inception, not a set form. It was a new expression using existing forms and making a contemporary synthesis of old to make it 'fresh'. If it got to be repetitive by the time you were alive and listening to it, then that is largely because it had become a caricature and mockery of itself in certain cultural expressions and when money gets involved in any culture you can see evidence of the artisans within that culture making more of whatever sells to people outside that culture than they used to when they were just making the things that actually supported and sustained the culture. That's not 'fresh'. What you seem to be saying, to me, is that this trend you are trying to identify is fresh and therefore attractive because it is doing something different. But the fact that you have made it seem like it's a new thing to 'zig' when others are 'zagging' in Hip-Hop is what I am saying is wrong. It's always been that. I'm saying if you Zig, then Zig, then Zig, that is just as not 'fresh' as zagging like everybody else. I don't care if your album has drums, or not. If it has all one emotion, or every track sounds the same, then that is boring and lazy, to me. You can rap to burps and car alarms and it might work on one song or two, but I don't want to hear a burp car alarm 'genre' even if the world says it is the best new thing. And I wouldn't say that is what Hip-Hop IS even if that is the section it is found at the store or it says Hip-Hop on the packaging.
All this 90's revival stuff is ok. Definitely better than the other garbage, but it's still overrated. It all sounds like watered down imitations. In the 90's this stuff would've been considered mediocre at best. There was so much great music in the 90's. Back then you had to come with something really special to be noticed. This stuff they're doing now is nowhere near as good. Not even close. Not by a long shot. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's not great. Wu, Nas, Mobb Deep, Boot camp, Big L, MF Doom, Common, Talib Qweli, Gift of Gab, The Roots. I could go on for days & I didn't even start mentioning West Coast or Southern rappers. It is nice to see young people exploring classic hip hop. I encourage kids to dig deeper into the 80's & 90's with an open mind. It was a different time. We had different slang. Different issues. It's hard to relate if you weren't alive back then. Just like how most of us over 40 or 50 don't understand what the young kids are saying. Some of the songs we can't even make out a single word. Might as well be a different language.
I see what you mean, times are definitely changing. But I think the one really cool thing about drumless is that they crate dig HARD. They uncover so many gems that otherwise would be left alone had it not been for someone in a more underground setting looking for records to unearth.
@@Normalcognitivedave That's a great point. Sampling can breathe new life into forgotten records. Terminal Passage RUclips channel uploads a lot of rare vinyl. Dude has a sick collection of rare jazz & funk records from all over the world. A lot of dope breaks that I've never heard anyone sample. Especially that early Japanese fusion from the 70's.
@@meleepinata he really lost out on a lot of potential… he probably thought it was a good idea seeing some Wutang Clan members sign but Griselda is where the culture is 🔥 hopefully he can get out the contract and resign
@@Normalcognitivedave I'm gonna be one of the few to say this. Griselda and stove should've gotten together and made a mixtape and called it Four Horseman, since they're all in the wrestling reference bag. Oh well, we've got Flygod 3 on the way.
Nah... What came back was East Coast emceein' over stuff other than trap or pop rap beats. I can't think of 10 underground or mainstream hits from the 90s that didn't have drums. Stuff like that was mostly used for interludes. Roc Marciano and KA have been creating this sound since the late 2010s. Then Griselda helped popularize it in this modern era. Drumless beats or as I call them "Boneless beats" are just a part of the burgeoning East Coast renaissance. Personally, I'm already tired of this sound. I need them drums to have my face like 👉🏾😡🔥
Lmaooo drunless is definitely not something you’d bring to a function unless you’re with a bunch of hip hop nerds tbh. But that’s the point! They’re more about storytelling.
@@Normalcognitivedave the rhymes and rhythm would be loss too. La Di Da Di by Doug E. Fresh and Slick Rick is the most classic storytelling rap songs that many of the ilk like Griselda should study cause it doesn't even come close.
this type of "drumless"hip hop beats is not anything new and for sure its not underground.maybe it was back in the beginning of 2010s, when RZA and Madlib type beats were getting popular again in the underground, when people learned of music production from the internet and got their first shitty hardware sampler (mostly roland sp line,cheap akais and ensoniqs, others too). All these artists are not underground and for sure, not alc, not griselda etc so just stop copying what other youtubers say and do your own research. and just understand what the "underground" means. sorry for speaking up, its not hate, its not an opinion. its just is as it is. peace, love
Ay man i see where you’re coming from. I’ve been messing around with the title of my video a little bit to see what works. But fr I mean Killah Priest, Hermit and the Recluse (Ka and Animoss) these guys are definitely underground man. Also, I know what you mean about sounding like other videos. I literally wrote this before they all popped off and stuff got too busy. I hope I added my own twist or enhanced the quality of the video though! I will take some underground suggestions if you have any!
You're talking about drumless like it's new and full of vigor, when it's already dead. If you made this video a few years ago that would be something, but drumless has been downgraded to the TikTok trend of the month, months ago. It has nothing outside of this. All of the big artists in the genre have already released 10 plus albums and are in the twilights of their careers. There's not much more you can really do with the concept. This video is out of touch.
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Drumless beats are underground compared to mainstream Hip-hop but as someone who studies Hip-hop and raps they are really at the cornerstone of the underground.
One of the first pieces of advice I got for improving my flow was to do Acapella and drum less beats.
Drums give a structure and contrast so it's unlikely drum less will take over completely but for more abstract or atmospheric songs sure.
It definitely takes a lot more skill! I barely have rhythm even with a 4/4 beat. I truly respect anyone who raps on Drumless style beats.
@@Normalcognitivedave I’m sure most use metronome/click tracks though.
@@joshualane1716 for sure, but I think once they've gotten good enough at it, they know the BPM by heart.
@@joshualane1716 you would be surprised. I’ve been recording music for 9 years and can only recall meeting one person who still uses a metronome. I sure don’t. I use the feel of the music to guide me.
Only time I use a metronome is to start a beat and lock in the tempo. After that I turn it off.
Westside Gunn, Boldy James, Earl, Navy Blue, Mike and much more
I love this type of beats and songs
When I asked my friends a couple years ago to describe my music taste, they just said Earl Sweatshirt 😂 but they really meant Navy Blue, RAP Ferreira, MIKE, Mavi, and all of these other abstract and drumless style rappers. Great music taste man 👅
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Melt My Eyez had that TPAB jazz soul, southern and boom bap sound too
Oooh you’re right ! Denzel Curry definitely brought out his A game! Especially with the cold blooded soul version.
I feel like Griselda is more Neo Boom-Bap than drumless rap, great video man, love this 💯
@@shingielee true i see it, they definitely love their drums. But they’re definitely no stranger to drumless raps! I can see them more as a gateway drug tbh
Bro "drumless" is just another option for Boom-Bap style rappers and producers. This has been a thing since '97. It is just finally become more popular.
Drumless means you not add drums on ableton or fl studio or whatever you use for producing
You just sample the song and if sample already had drums in it it still count as drumless people always misubderstood that
Sometimes the artists do add some drums though! It’s just sparse. I’m glad you and I could clear it up! Ableton and FL Studio ftw!
Thank you! I was having a hard time understanding cuz when I hear drum less, I think no drums, but this makes it clear
Ka is the greatest drumless rapper right now
Debatable! But Ka definitely up there!
KA is very close behind Marci.
He had his time, obijuan the real one
@@ethyman1 new rapper unlocked 😮 seems like lots of these new guys are from the UK!
@@Normalcognitivedave the uk scene has been doing it for a few years - Clbrks, bisk, looms, tony bontana - here’s some uk scene guys
I AM SO HAPPY THAT YOU COMMENTED ON OUTKAST'S E.T.!!!! I was really about to yell at the top of my lungs about it. My Personal favorite song from Outkast. Hold this W, Dave.
@@mr.gabriel5896 Mr.Gabriel i adore your enthusiasm for the song and the artist. Outkast is legendary and way ahead of their time for sure 🙌
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Hate is a strong word
Omg yall are so bold for hating a mainstream rapper 😱
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I think I got into the genre with Earl's Some Rap Songs and I was trying to find more but it took a bit for the drumless tag to really start showing up.
But I gotta say it's become one of my fave styles of Hip-Hop throughout the late 10s and on.
"A Quiet Farewell, 2016-2018" by Slauson Malone is incredible as one of the more instrumental albums in the genre. It is very sound collage the way it's put together and so vibrant with good variety. Also nice there are featured rappers here and there on it.
Sick listens man. Some people say Drumless has always been here and is nothing new, other people say it took off later in the 2010s. Crazy
Killah Priest - Heavy Mental is one of the first drumless tracks from the 90's
WILD Production on Heavy Mental. Sounds like you're in outer space. An incredibly underrated soundtrack too. I think the only percussion I hear is.... a heart beat?
Ka & Roc Marciano got the drumless genre on lock
They the God fathers for real. Although many artists experimented with it first, they really took it into their own hands to make drumless work!
@@Normalcognitivedave true indeed, I appreciate your insight on this matter to the fullest 🙏🏽
@@talentedmrflowers What video would you want to see next?
@@Normalcognitivedave I would love to see a revolution of the backpack 🎒 rap
@@talentedmrflowers Roc Marciano is sick as f...arguably top 10 of all time. And his influence is crazy. Even here on Balkan people are inspired by him
Boldy James is absolutely fantastic, I got recommended "Monte Cristo" off the Versace Tape like close to 2 years ago now and he has been a staple in my hiphop playlist ever since. His tracks feel soo good to listen to, like cruising in a 1960s Oldsmobile into the sunset, at the sea, while seagulls scream in the background and the light breeze is heavy with the smell of sea salt
I had something similar happen to me, but instead it was a youtube comment that recommended Pray for Paris. Ever since then I haven’t gone back. The feeling and atmosphere Griselda paints is insane
Thank you for mentioning RZA! Dear Lord. He's the Father of all this new Gritty hip hop. There's also "All that I got is you" (Ghostface 1996) & "Hollow Bones" (Wu 2000). To me a piece of this genre is having an engaging/soulful baseline that compensates for the lack of drums
Great picks! Drumless has been around for a long time! The Wutang Clan is incredibly large and influential yet sometimes their most creative efforts are stuck in the underground.
they were one of the first to ever do concept album best in the hip hop scene at the time. Definitely artistic and at the same time technical
@@tocide Just curious, are you referring to Wu Tang?
@@wahyagabriel6167 ^^^
Roc Marciano is one of the most talented musicians of our time
👀 My buddy been asking me when I'll actually drop a video specifically dedicated to Roc Marciano... Soon... Soon...
I stopped rapping years ago. Big hiatus. Recently I've decided I'll try again but I have no hopes or expectations of going big. I just want to be apart of the art form because it's fun to be creative and improve. I'm already thinking of ways to get better. It's funny because I noticed this pattern of drum less beats and I planned on making a drumless beat and rapping over it. Got the idea from Peppas by Westside and 6:16 in LA by Kendrick.
Beautiful! I hope your rapping journey takes off. And if not, at least you have fun doing it!
never seen before? you said it your self, MF doom had been making and using beats like this since the late 90s. some times all you need is the clipping of a hard sample attack instead of a drum. great video. love your passion
I am often a little hyperbolic when i write/make videos for some build up! Thank you!
One of the first albums that introduced me to drumless hip hop was Anchovies by Apollo Brown & Planet Asia. If you like this sort of stuff its a must listen, its the type of album youd listen to on a quiet night and just contemplate life.
@@alecmohney7555 I like these recommendations! My introduction to drumless was probably Ka or Roc Marciano. They got those albums that make you think too. Will give it a listen!
planet asia rocks
Stay sane by pink siifu is my favorite drumless beat personally. Shit is so beautiful.
Pink Sifu is GOLD. Great rapper
I been obsessed with Armand Hammers music recently
SOOOO good, I had the luxury of seeing them LIVE a couple years back
Elevators from Outkast, i dont know if it counts but the atmosphere grabs you by the throat
It’s def one of the first songs with less emphasis on the drums in the beat!
Mach Hommy, Mike, Earl, Beaux Lowe heavy rotations these guys right now
🔥 selections my friend.
You Ever See A Richard Mille Under The Kitchen Lights.
That money look bluer under them kitchen lights!
Most Of My Top Tier Production Are Drumless, I Still Cook When I Use Drums Too Tho, Sampling Is Kinda What I Was Born To Do, My Channel Is Heaven For Beat Heads, Swear That, Great Video🎛️🔥💯
Note: Ohh, And If You Have Any Critic For Drumless Hip Hop Production, Umm, Nobody Cares.
Yes bro!! Talk to em 🔥 let all the haters know they wack
Nobody is in the rap game is doing it like Griselda and sLUms 🗣💯
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Also I will check out sLUms!
[sLUms.] is barely together anymore, Ade Hakim got all salty over MIKEs fame he was getting, saying MIKE was fake & that he was being taken in by the industry. They're all probably talking still.. I'm pretty sure King Carter & MIKE are still cool but yeh'. they don't even upload on their channel.
You gotta check out this artist called Ja’king the Divine from New York . His album run Delusions of Grandeur, Operation Black Sun Tzu , Parables of the Sower and Fear & loathing in Long Island is one of the best and most underrated runs I’ve seen in a long time.
He whole team is dope and they are in their early 20s
OHHH S this sounds incredibly interesting. I gotta check them out. Man this video got me so many great recs. Thanks I will check out Ja'King the Divine!
Animoss is the producer of Hermit & The Recluse's "Orpheus & The Sirens" with Ka; Hermit & The Recluse is the name of their duo project. Definitely peep all of Animoss's credits! He's produced some of my favorite Roc Marci songs
Ye ye ye someone else commented this too and I had to acknowledge the fix thank you for thay
Drumless is not the only place to find “Storytelling albums that encompass relevant topics.” Im sure you know that, but you made it seem that way. Most artists you mentioned don’t make only drumless. Most artists you speak of fall into indie rap. Maybe you should broaden your topic into indie rap and a lot of the things you said would ring truer.
Hmmm I see where you’re coming from but I didnt say drumless beats are exclusively storytelling or the other way around. The storytelling stood out to me because I was focusing on the voices more than the beats! Also yes many artists I mentioned do not have an entire discography dedicated to drumless, however I wanted to highlight the drumless tracks they had. It’s kinda hard to talk about exclusively drumless rappers and producers when they make so much music. I just wanted to bring together some well known artists who dabble in the genre and showcase their drumless work. I hope this makes sense!
Once I knew this was gonna be about drumless beats I was hopin to see handwriting on the wall
Of course bro i do a litttttle bit of research
I got a Drumless album
Like you got one or you got one?
Love the video man, you did a great job of summarizing the essentials of drumless hip hop
@@DXTCHBEATS i only wish i had the audience retention to go deeper!
Should Chris and I make a drumless country song? 🤠
Dumbass country song 👎 Drumless country song 👍
Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd have drumless songs too.
Yes! They do! However, the subgenre "drumless" I believe falls under the category of hip hop. It might just be considered progressive or experimental in the rock scene even if they don’t have drums... Genre categorizations are interesting. Never even paid attention to Welcome to the Machine's lack of drums!
@Normalcognitivedave i know, bro. I'm just saying some of the most popular songs don't have drums. People act like it's out of the ordinary.
@@b-boycastertroy fr fr. Hip hop is a newer genre so it’s less common within hip hop thats fs. Especially for a genre thats very known for the drums
Yo, this gave me an awesome idea for the outro of the EP I'm working on rn! thank you very much for sharing. I've heard Marlon Craft On a Drumless Tune before but never thought there was full length LPs doing this style. Great Job Dave!
Good luck! I hope your EP is successful with that little bit of drumless flare that was needed.
Look up Mary Sue if ur fascinated by the drumless ambient avant-garde style. One of the best
In particular, To Those Foreign Nights I Love You
Oooooh ok im excited to listen! The titles sound intriguing
Dude this is by far the best recommendation i’ve gotten from a youtube video. Holy shit. Mary Sue is that UNDERGROUND sound done so well. I think he just needs to work on some mixing. Otherwise the structure, rapping, style, and sounds are really good
Thanks for this video, this wave needs more support!
@@prodmontzu thank YOU 🫵 for the support
Best voice online ngl ❤❤❤
Oh youuu 🥰🥰
I respect the way you elaborated on your opinion especially on a subject so specific
Thank you! I have more coming! Hopefully people here share that same itch for music.
Thank youu for making this! I get so disillusioned with the current state of things. This is why I rap❤️
That's what I'm saying man. Drumless rappers and their adjacent counterparts keep it REAL.
Cognitive guy is BEGGING Earl to stub his toe and realize life isn’t all sunshine and rainbows, and THEN and ONLY THEN can he be inspired to make a depressing album
He HAS to bro. “I stubbed my toe I hate S” in 2025!
Survivor series 95 -Westside gunn
An intense song! And it features Jay Electronica another pioneer of the drumless genre! Great song, great album.
ankhlejohn is a must listen! sefu, q protigal, and koncept jackson also kinda fall under that MIKE flavored drumless hip hop that heals us all
that almost sounded like some nonsense that wasn't English but I think I know what you're saying.
Dude less than 400 views??? This video is awesome I learned a lot. Also I love the thumbnail man!
@@jadenklopfer445 i tend to get these comments a lot 😅 thank you! A lot of care and thought goes into my videos as you can see!
Jehst - uncut gems
What type of release is this?
I would love to hear slim on a drumless alchemist beat
You know what, i think if that happens I’d enjoy em a lot more and lots of fans who dislike the drumless hip hop will turn out loving it
@@Normalcognitivedave yea exactly what i was thinking it can definitely get him back to his more slow lyrical flow like the one he used on rock bottom that’ll definitely help younger fans enjoy him i think and put genre on a bigger scale plus him and alch got history
Freddie Gibbs is prob one of if not the only rapper who is just as good on a drumless, boom bap or trap beat. Suprised you didnt mention him, considering how great his madlib and alchemist collabs are. Great video nonetheless.
oh yeah but I guess he didn't have much except some songs on Alfredo. I did say though that that gangsta rap is what usually compliments the genre and Freddie was who I was thinking of at the time.
my pillow is big and kinda fluffy but not very pillowy you feel me? like my head can’t rest into it. but it’s not stiff. it’s like a balloon
Dude every single night i sleep on a pillow like this it’s so bad
@@Normalcognitivedave we gotta get better pillows man...
@@isbakernation dude wtf is wrong with them damn pillows
@@Normalcognitivedave lets go to ikea together
@@isbakernation which one bro
Listen to doves by Armand hammer.. it’ll unlock a new part of your brain
Doves is probably my favorite song to come out this year. I listen to it when I need to dissociate from reality 👾 Armand Hammer do great work!
when you said "coldest hip hop beats" i immediately thought of shook ones part 2 lol
@@Georges_IV 30 years later and it’s still a banger. Forever classic.
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Great video about drumless hip hop! A comment for the algorithm
Gotta boost the algorithm!
Listen to no hard feelings by Billy woods it’s a whole different type of drumless
I think Billy Woods debuted No Hard Feelings before it came out at a concert I was at years ago 😳
Rhinestone cowboy is drumless to you? What are you on about? Loved the video though. 👍
It’s not that there’s NO drums right it’s just less of a focus and theyre stripped back and lower priority compared to the rest of the elements of the song. Thanks!
damn damn great video, can't wait to see you blow up
Thank you! I hope one day that happens! You gotta spread the love and share with your friends 👀
@@Normalcognitivedave Ahaha already ahead of ya. Sent this vid to many of my friends that are into hiphop. Just keep making good work, it'll happen as a by-product of that I'm sure. Cheers man :)
@@ajayv5562 I’m really passionate about what I do and it’s always wonderful seeing people enjoy my work. You’re the best!
I CAN'T ANSWER THE PHONE RIGHT NOW, BABY I'M COOKING DOPE!
I CANT ANSWER THE PHONE RIGHT NOW IM COOKIN DOPE!
Pls make a drumless playlist
Ummmm shoot wveryone want this huh…
Keep that energy going drum less hip hop will be the new movement we need much more better artist and not just a hand full here and there it needs to expand globally
@@carlosgil4196 facts facts goated genre with goated artists!
It’s all about discovering and exploring new artist that have that 90s method and whom discovered them on top of that it’s a blessing to hear them
Hiphop is not 'kinda lacking', it's become the most listened to genre for people under 30 and maintains that. It's rapidly evolving still.
I mean yeah but i feel like there aint enough classics in the 2020s yet whereas the 90s 00s and 10s have countless!
Heh, not really.
gang hate to be the " but actually" guy but rhine stone has drums on it LMAOO. Im a prod myself, that harsh ass snare is NOT the sample and he just low passed the kicks really. funny enough, alot of these "drumless" really arent drumless, just filtered for effect.
great video otherwise tho!
@@bernard12324 lol ye but drumless isn’t the absense of drums, more so just less focus on drums. I do say it in the video too that they sometimes add snares or kicks here and there to make the piece more cohesive!
Drumless means you not add drums on ableton or fl studio or whatever you use for producing You just sample the song and if sample already had drums in it it still count as drumless people always misunderstand that
@@baL88537 exactly. thats all im saying in essence but dave you're also not wrong
Ya I'm confused when he plays the sample and there's a clear kick and a snare...
You can thank Roc Marci for the genre your talking about. He’s the godfather of that shit
That’s what i did lol
hey do you have a spotify Playlist of the songs you mentioned in this video as well as songs with similar vibes? I would be very excited to listen if so
Hey! I do not have a playlist but I can make one! Check out Roc Marciano and R.A.P. Ferreira for some vibes for now!
@@Normalcognitivedave I would super appreciate it. I've been obsessed with stove god since I watched this
KITCHEN LIIIIIIIIGHTS! 💎
KITCHEN LIGHIGJIGHTS
I think a great recent example of this is BkTheRula - WISHUWASDACREW this song embodies everything you’re saying.
I belive the intention of going drumless espescially when it comes to hip hop is to challenge the boundaries within the genre. Although she is doing some singing on the track it is mainly rap, which in my opinion goes well with the intent of challenging the genre. «How much can I sing before its not considered hip hop?» «what is the minimum of drums I gotta use for it to be considered hip hop».
Not saying this was her thought process, but in the context of this video i find the song fitting and representing of the idea.
This is actually cool! People are having real deep thoughts about the boundaries of hip hop! Also, I’m glad you mentioned a female rapper. I thought they weren’t represented enough in this genre fs
Hermit and the recluse didnt work with Ka, is Ka, along with Animoss
Dang! Great catch! Hermit and the Recluse is Ka and Animoss’ collective name! I’m glad you pointed out Animoss. He deserves more recognition 🙌
@@Normalcognitivedave he is underrated as hell, too many people sleepin on him
@@Chicken-1923 dude your profile picture is chicken and your name is chicken. Thats so awesome. Keep listening to good music
yoo i feel I lowkey like being underground onsome starving artist shi but Im such a contrarian maybe id be that dude whos spittin lyrical mush on a trap beat, Thankfully mr JD and MF got us right
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When is GT3 dropping a drumless hip hop album with the Alchemist?
Never!!! We like drill and Latin beats only!! 🚨 ‼️
The secret recipe, Bought the earth by Yeat has zero drums and Closed on sunday by Ye too
Oh shoot! Don’t forget Jail by Kanye too!
Kitchen Lights sounds like what you hear when the gates of heaven open up🤲🏽
ON GOD I saw people talking about how it's the soundtrack to the rapture
Idk I think drumless is kind of on its way out. I thought that new Bronson record was alright but it felt like it worked as a kind of goodbye to that era. Alc will always be a timeless exclusiveness to rap on, but it seems like the rest of the artists are getting kind of bored with the style.
It could be! Action bronson has always dabbled and idk if he’ll just up and stop but maybe it could fade out. Theres still tons of rappers sticking to it cause it’s their bread and butter. I can see new people coming in while others leave naturally.
Solid video! Gives me inspo for my beats. Thanks Cognitively Normal Dave
Thank you mister beige music! I hope to listen to ur beats and maybe use them in a video or two! 👀
Would love to collab anytime! Contact me through the email in my bio. I can gear the music/sound for whatever vibe you're going for.
Man, no Clipse?? I thought Grinding was the 1st drumless beat?? or one of them?
Isnt grindin like all drums bro?? Otherwise it would be up there for a 2002 release
Lmao grinding is strictly drums and Pharrell beatboxing
React to 90s Memphis rap
Oooh Denzel Curry is a great gateway into this… maybe !!
jantonomi is a great example of this
This guy like a super small rapper? 700 subs on youtube??
@@Normalcognitivedave idk but his last alubm was fire as shit
bro you should listen to the album “half god” by Wiki from 2021. the whole album barely has drums but the rapping is fire as fuck. the samples are amazing too
@@alexfumo4320 Saved. This reminds me of a comment that I got in 2021 that really shifted the trajectory of my music taste
Gotta listen to great escape Larry June x the alchemist
In the BAY
Only in the Bay and specifically the Mont and FC
Killer fuckin record
@@meleepinata Uncle Al just does it better 🤷♂️
whats the sgk sing you put the lyrics up for
That was Ostertag, i talk about it a little later in the video too
You’re taking about Dey less hiphop in 2020s and you didn’t mention Larry June???
BRO IM SORRY I WROTE THE VIDEO BEFORE I KNEW ABOUT LARRY! Look for another comment down here where he mentions Larry though, you guys would be great friends.
CONDUCTA CONDUCTA
WE HAVE A PROBLEM!
Ok…
But also ‘no’
If you wanna take away beats from hip-hop… just call it something else… like spoken word over background music ?
I mean they got flow though. The rappers are definitely on beat unless they don't want to be. Some ACTUALLY do spoken word but mostly it's rapping
i wouldn't make it a whole "genre" sometimes its not drum heavy thats it
It’s a subgenre within hip hop like trap or boom bap is
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Bones!? 🦴
Rappers who can't rap on beat love drumless
Nah they on beat usually just the 2 and 4 instead of the 1 and 3, or hell, they break it up to be more technical and go on eighth notes
Is it underground if yall all talking abt it?
@@glueball9511 i mean shiii only like 10k views
I hate ice spice but I also have to admit I’m a full on munch
Dang you’re very open about things online 😅 you a munch for Ice Spice then? Crazy timing how I dropped this video same day Ice Spice drops Y2K 😭
In what way have really creative rappers "gone beyond the art"? (3:20) What does that even mean? How does the fact that there are instrumental Hip-Hop records have anything to do with your statement about rappers' flows complimenting the beat but not the "other way around"? Lots of producers have made beats specifically for rappers and consider their flows to guide the beats they make and play for them. There have been producers using minimal drums since the beginning of beats. Lots of producers have used samples without adding additional drums. Yes, a minimal track features/highlights the lyricist. But you can always have more going on in the track and then just take elements out and make it sparser when the rapper is doing their verse. Like how DJ's don't scratch over the whole song and musicians don't solo all over the vocalist's part, usually. That is part of arrangement. Just looping a sample may work for a track here and there, it gives your ear a change from the same repetitive thing of every beat always having a kick, snare, and hat. But if your whole album, or style of production, is doing that it just sounds boring and lazy to me. Because again, it is repetitive. The reason it worked on ATLiens was because the rest of the album wasn't like that.
I think drumless rappers go beyond the art because they know the rules so well, they can break them. And in this case it typically involves having a whole album be drumless. I know there’s exceptions to everything, but that consistency and choosing NOT to bring in drums in a traditionally drum heavy genre is a bold choice, hence we have people like you who may not enjoy it as much because it doesn’t sound… correct for lack of a better term
@@Normalcognitivedave You can like what you like, I am glad you like some good Hip-Hop. But you sound like somebody who listened to a crate of records and now thinks they understand the culture and its history. There is more than one crate, firstly, and having an appreciation for an artform is not the same as being an artist. I didn't say it sounded "incorrect". I said "boring and lazy" when that is the only thing they do. What is offensive to me is that you think of Hip-Hop as a 'genre' like there is a definition of it. Like there ever was a "correct" way to do it. It is supposed to challenge your expectations. It was from the inception, not a set form. It was a new expression using existing forms and making a contemporary synthesis of old to make it 'fresh'. If it got to be repetitive by the time you were alive and listening to it, then that is largely because it had become a caricature and mockery of itself in certain cultural expressions and when money gets involved in any culture you can see evidence of the artisans within that culture making more of whatever sells to people outside that culture than they used to when they were just making the things that actually supported and sustained the culture. That's not 'fresh'. What you seem to be saying, to me, is that this trend you are trying to identify is fresh and therefore attractive because it is doing something different. But the fact that you have made it seem like it's a new thing to 'zig' when others are 'zagging' in Hip-Hop is what I am saying is wrong. It's always been that. I'm saying if you Zig, then Zig, then Zig, that is just as not 'fresh' as zagging like everybody else. I don't care if your album has drums, or not. If it has all one emotion, or every track sounds the same, then that is boring and lazy, to me. You can rap to burps and car alarms and it might work on one song or two, but I don't want to hear a burp car alarm 'genre' even if the world says it is the best new thing. And I wouldn't say that is what Hip-Hop IS even if that is the section it is found at the store or it says Hip-Hop on the packaging.
devil in a new dress is not chipmunk soul
@@urbanlegendss ehhh call it a secondary genre
All this 90's revival stuff is ok. Definitely better than the other garbage, but it's still overrated. It all sounds like watered down imitations. In the 90's this stuff would've been considered mediocre at best. There was so much great music in the 90's. Back then you had to come with something really special to be noticed. This stuff they're doing now is nowhere near as good. Not even close. Not by a long shot. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying it's not great. Wu, Nas, Mobb Deep, Boot camp, Big L, MF Doom, Common, Talib Qweli, Gift of Gab, The Roots. I could go on for days & I didn't even start mentioning West Coast or Southern rappers. It is nice to see young people exploring classic hip hop. I encourage kids to dig deeper into the 80's & 90's with an open mind. It was a different time. We had different slang. Different issues. It's hard to relate if you weren't alive back then. Just like how most of us over 40 or 50 don't understand what the young kids are saying. Some of the songs we can't even make out a single word. Might as well be a different language.
I see what you mean, times are definitely changing. But I think the one really cool thing about drumless is that they crate dig HARD. They uncover so many gems that otherwise would be left alone had it not been for someone in a more underground setting looking for records to unearth.
@@Normalcognitivedave That's a great point. Sampling can breathe new life into forgotten records. Terminal Passage RUclips channel uploads a lot of rare vinyl. Dude has a sick collection of rare jazz & funk records from all over the world. A lot of dope breaks that I've never heard anyone sample. Especially that early Japanese fusion from the 70's.
Stove screwed himself by signing to Babygrande.
@@meleepinata he really lost out on a lot of potential… he probably thought it was a good idea seeing some Wutang Clan members sign but Griselda is where the culture is 🔥 hopefully he can get out the contract and resign
@@Normalcognitivedave I'm gonna be one of the few to say this. Griselda and stove should've gotten together and made a mixtape and called it Four Horseman, since they're all in the wrestling reference bag. Oh well, we've got Flygod 3 on the way.
@@meleepinata hopefully FGIAAG3 will be good!
@@Normalcognitivedave long as he dont have trap songs in it i think itll be great
@@Georges_IV and then you pray for me def was a little interesting
mention 3deadidols and pretty pe$o my goats
u pluggin the homies or u actually listen to this UNDERGROUND music? Either way, they're awesome
@@Normalcognitivedave they local but i listen to them
also listen to jasper logan's album 94 south to dolton ave
@@tsoden2 respect respect 🫡 i’ll listen
5:19 that’s one of the craziest Tyler verses 😮😳
@@darwinwaltar went to six flags…
Nah... What came back was East Coast emceein' over stuff other than trap or pop rap beats. I can't think of 10 underground or mainstream hits from the 90s that didn't have drums. Stuff like that was mostly used for interludes. Roc Marciano and KA have been creating this sound since the late 2010s. Then Griselda helped popularize it in this modern era. Drumless beats or as I call them "Boneless beats" are just a part of the burgeoning East Coast renaissance. Personally, I'm already tired of this sound. I need them drums to have my face like 👉🏾😡🔥
I think they been making drumless tracks earlier than that my friend. but I see the appeal of drums, I like variety and creativity though!
@@Normalcognitivedave Earlier than the 90s? Hits? Nah again. If you believe so, please provide some examples.
@@pHiLKizer was talking bout this "Roc Marciano and KA have been creating this sound since the late 2010s"
@@Normalcognitivedave I meant to say the late 00s/early 2010s.
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That's drum less or that soft drum shit is TRASH 🗑️. The foundation of hip hop is energy. That shit would put a party to sleep 😴
Lmaooo drunless is definitely not something you’d bring to a function unless you’re with a bunch of hip hop nerds tbh. But that’s the point! They’re more about storytelling.
@@Normalcognitivedave the rhymes and rhythm would be loss too. La Di Da Di by Doug E. Fresh and Slick Rick is the most classic storytelling rap songs that many of the ilk like Griselda should study cause it doesn't even come close.
Kendrick washed Drake but Red Button is a great drumless song man
Oh actually For all the Dogs has some great producers on the tracks... too bad it's drake 🤣🤣
@@Normalcognitivedave nah fr 😂😂
Drumless was never part of rap till kanye did his pop rap shi😂😂😂 uon kno shi
Facts facts nothing existed until playboi carti invented music 😅😂😂
@Normalcognitivedave huh my point is that kanye made it popular n before u could actually hear tha drums even if they did it light like outkast
this type of "drumless"hip hop beats is not anything new and for sure its not underground.maybe it was back in the beginning of 2010s, when RZA and Madlib type beats were getting popular again in the underground, when people learned of music production from the internet and got their first shitty hardware sampler (mostly roland sp line,cheap akais and ensoniqs, others too). All these artists are not underground and for sure, not alc, not griselda etc
so just stop copying what other youtubers say and do your own research. and just understand what the "underground" means. sorry for speaking up, its not hate, its not an opinion. its just is as it is. peace, love
Ay man i see where you’re coming from. I’ve been messing around with the title of my video a little bit to see what works. But fr I mean Killah Priest, Hermit and the Recluse (Ka and Animoss) these guys are definitely underground man. Also, I know what you mean about sounding like other videos. I literally wrote this before they all popped off and stuff got too busy. I hope I added my own twist or enhanced the quality of the video though! I will take some underground suggestions if you have any!
Child Actor. Child Actor. Child Actor.
Huh??
You're talking about drumless like it's new and full of vigor, when it's already dead. If you made this video a few years ago that would be something, but drumless has been downgraded to the TikTok trend of the month, months ago. It has nothing outside of this. All of the big artists in the genre have already released 10 plus albums and are in the twilights of their careers. There's not much more you can really do with the concept. This video is out of touch.
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