@@993mike Nah, EVs are cool AF. You don't need to be _riding a glorified _*_vibrator_* that _makes loud noises_ just to feel "cool", you know. \s Especially the racing EVs I mean _(the Model 3 in the video isn't it btw; I mean actual racing & kit cars)._ With those you can more easily feel the car & the road in terms of tactility & the actual sounds that the tires make on the road, as you don't have a loud AF engine that muffles all the other sounds around & under you.
My thoughts exactly... Let the guy know the car drives it. Like putting me in a Formula 1 car and the time looks like crap and saying that the car is no good...🙄🤦
the reason why jerry drove both cars even when he’s shitting on Tesla is he’s a qualified race driver with a racing license. Dai is actually comfortable with jerry driving his car. And the differences between both cars after a hot lap is drumroll 57ms. And when they do time attacks they try to do it multiple times more than 1 lap with warmup take the best lap time. Even the gt3 could get less time when did on multiple laps
As a car enthusiast I think it’s cool incorporating electric cars on the channel. They are undeniably impressive . I can appreciate something new while still loving the classics
As a carriage enthusiast I think it's cool incorporating ICE cars on the streets. They are undeniably impressive. I can appreciate something new while still loving the horse-drawn classics
the DRS on the porsche is insane! Edit: guys chill i just meant it looks cool cause we can press a button and it activates cause we dont get to drive f1 cars so this is the only we can access manual drs, active aero etc.
@@kevinkarbonik2928notice how u say new. The 992 is 5 years old. The 992.2 comes out next year using a hybrid engine that only takes gas. But itll utilize the instant torque an EV brings. The new porsches will set even better records.
I suggest you look into it, 825 HP, a rear transaxle gearbox, full carbon fiber body, inboard active suspension, active DRS and under body air control, it's no joke. but it is $300,000 @@CrossWindsPat
So many channels are doing annoying editing now and they say it's for "retention". Imo they should keep short form style content on yt shorts and not try to mix them and make the long form content suffer the same terrible fate.
I had a Model 3 for a few years. It was fantastic to drive, and I really loved the experience. I only sold it when the second-hand market went crazy a year or so ago because I was able to get almost all of my money back for a 3.5 year old car. Having owned and lived with one for a long time, I don't understand all the negative comments people are always very eager to share with me about EVs.
Those people are almost always people who have never owned one, and most haven't even driven one. They sure speak with authority, though. It's eye-opening to see how wrong people are, but they sure believe they are right.
I own a model Y long range. I can’t even with all the truck drivers wanting to race me all the time. It’s kind of cute, ‘cause 90 percent of them would lose. I obviously don’t engage, and I live in Maine with a lot of hicks 😂😂😂
While I was waiting for my Plaid to be delivered, I rented a '20 992 Cabriolet for a few days, and then a Model 3 long range for a week. Everyone will call me a liar, but the Model 3 was more fun to drive than the Porsche. Driving them back to back was eye-opening. I know the Porsche is faster every way you measure it, but the model 3 felt faster. The PDK is awesome, but the EV's constant power is better. The Model 3 was like driving a big go-kart, it was really easy to feel what the car is doing and really easy to control it. The single pedal driving makes it really easy to balance the car in corners. My prediction is that the Boxter EV will be the best sports car ever.
@@75yomu Decent car? LOL. For 30K less than a BMW M3, the Tesla M3 smokes the bimmer, with instant acceleration, way better features, way safer, updates over the year, drives itself, miles ahead better software, charges at home, doesn't pollute, is silent, etc, etc. Decent? Teslas are the best cars on the road, bar none.
an interesting perspective I’ve realized this year driving multiple cars on the same track back to back is that the driver may actually be the limiting factor in regards to lap times in the sense that a person has a certain confidence level or sense of speed they wont go past, and that leads to very similar lap times between cars whereas the cars might be able to go around the track faster than the driver thinks it can. It’s extremely hard to extract 100% potential out of a car without having a substantial amount of time behind the wheel.
I don't think anyone is doubting that the driver was the limiting factor for the lap times in this video. That being said, I would bet that Jeremiah got faster laps than most of us could (he does have some good experience - Skip Barber). Rather than looking at athe driver as a limiting factor, look at the driver as a controlled factor when it comes to testing. For example, if you put Verstappen in either of those cars, and Jeremiah in the other, Verstappen will have the faster lap. The results of the test infers that if you put most experienced drivers in both cars, the GT3 RS will have a slightly faster lap time....but I want to see more testing between these two cars!
If we put him in a VW Passat, do you think the times would be in the same ballpark? These lap times being this close is indicative that you don't have to go GT3RS (unless you got the money and desire to) for an incredible car
@@JerkFrags On the other hand is the "fastest" car even fastest if there is only 1 person in the world that can drive it that fast? Ease of driving and confidence that car gives is really important because ultimately everyone wants to drive fast without putting thousands of hours of practice time.
@@JollyGiant19 I think the arguement is that both of these cars could probably go faster. Because its 1 driver, driving 2 different cars he is not used to, we're not gonna be able to see the actual difference. I can totally see those times being the most hes willing to push a car he doesn't own and is not fully comfortable driving.
Comparing a standard Porsche 911 gt3 rs to a standard Tesla model S plaid. This the official lap times set on Nürburgring Nordschleife: Porsche 911 GT3 RS : 6:44.848 min. Tesla model S plaid : 7:35.579 min.
especially with a car like the gt3rs ...id imagine that you can push this thing to levels that you don't feel comfortable with at first ^^ but they entertaining regardless
It would be an unfair competition then you would have to have someone whi knows how to drive the Porshe just as well as dai knows how to drive the tesla
Interesting that with relatively modest modifications a Model 3 can be a quick track day car. There aren't many $50k road cars you can say that about. I wonder if we'll start to see software mods for track day Tesla's, to take exploit some of the possibilities that electric motors should allow, such as torque vectoring.
Dont get me wrong, the Tesla is hands down incredible and the build they did for it is nothing short of spectacular. But it had to be said that the biggest factor for the laptime being so close is, what looks to be, the racing slicks that it is driving on. No matter how much aero, power of suspension tuning you do. The tires will always be the most important in the end. The porsche was on Cup 2 tires, which are incredible tires but nowhere near to slicks. Imagine if the porsche had those slicks!
I don't know that I agree. With the times being so close, the biggest factor was the driver. Nothing against Jer, but it's more likely he unintentionally cautioned himself several times. I'm sure if we had the track footage we could see it. Again, with times that close and cars that different, I'm looking squarely at the driver over everything else.
@@adamsfusion Let's be real. He's not that great of a driver. When he came to Australia he was way off the competition. Plenty of pro drivers rock up at tracks they've never done and are within a second of the pole within a few laps.
Well one thing I noticed is he appeared to be able to find his line quicker in the GT3 and proceeded to fine tune, where as the MP3 he was constantly readjusting his line (lots of wiggling of the steering wheel). That says MP3 should have been faster granted cause it was on slicks: not only better tire but the only thing keeping MP3's weight vs grip in check.
There are Tesla racing accounts around, if you want to look for them. One of them, Unplugged, does top end Tesla modifications and have top racers drive them in events such as time attacks and pikes peak (among many other things they do) Check them out
00:22 "my favorite car of all time" Episode from a few days ago titled: "Why car companies lose money on purpose?" Timestamp: 5:45 "my personal favorite car of all time" Bro has a new favorite car of all time each episode.
it's a tiny track. pretty much every performance car they drive on it is within 10 seconds of eachother, most are within 5 seconds. 3 seconds is a pretty big difference.
In spite of having a motor that sounds boring AF, the new CTR really seems to have the necessary value proposition. Still not OK with owning a DGI motor myself, but thats another convo.
tires are the easiest "upgrade" for any car to go faster on the track, but comparing the laptimes of a car that you can drive home, and another where you either have to put on a trailer, or switch out the tires for, is totally not a good comparison. You should have put track tires, but street legal ones, and would have made this test have a lot more water.
Insightful comparison between the Tesla Model 3 and Porsche GT3 RS, well done! It's clear that even though EVs have some limitations, they can still put up a respectable performance on the track.
@@shepherdsknoll for lifestyle, surr but raw speed and performance, its the Porsche, not even mentioning it was the guy's first laps in a porsche which can take years to truly control😊
I’ve owned some awesome ICE cars, and now own a Tesla, and loved both, so I get to sit here and happily watch both sides pushing each other to get better and better, and that’s insanely exciting to me. Competition always brings out the absolute best in an industry
Very well said! I can't wait to see where this new age of ev speed takes us in the next 5 years or so. I fell semi solid state and then true solid state cells will open up ALL kinds of new doors for real perf evs. 👍🏻😎
@@Disciple_of_God. nope. Love them as well, although for the average person, a 440 was faster because you had to be an exceptional driver to get the most out of a 426
I'm looking forward to when car people can just be car people again without these platform wars. The motorbike world doesn't have this issue, a biker is a biker. A EV owner can absolutely be a car guy, the gatekeeping is so silly
@@Mostlyharmless1985 Although in 2023 Pike's Peak race, a 2019 Porsche GT2 RS Clubsport won 1st in its class (Time Attack 1), and 4th overall (behind the Open and Unlimited classes). A 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid (Randy Pobst) finished 2nd in Exhibition, 10th overall, but almost 35 seconds behind the Porsche GT2RS.
@@js2000honda i agree with you, just seemed to be a missed opportunity since Dai was there. Technically, he could give 1 best lap in his tesla since he already so used to it, THEN go for a few hot laps in the porsche since he would have to get used to the porsche.
You can't use different drivers on a head to head test. That messes with one of the most crucial variables that needs to be controlled for for any of this to make sense
"Jerry was a race car driver He drove so goddamned fast Never did win no checkered flags But he never did come in last Jerry was a race car driver He'd say "El Sob number one" With a Bocephus sticker on his 442 He'd light 'em up just for fun"
@@lucasoosterveld607 "Boxing Day is a holiday celebrated after Christmas Day, occurring on the second day of Christmastide (26 December).[1] Though it originated as a holiday to give gifts to people in need, today Boxing Day forms part of Christmas celebrations, with many people choosing to take advantage of Boxing Day sales." It's celebrated by the UK and some other countries I believe. Not including the US. Canada I believe is the only North American country that celebrates it.
Along with a driver experienced in the car, a gps timer would be much better than a hand stopwatch. Anything within a half-second is pretty much meaningless when timing by hand
It's around 12-20k. And the tesla Plaid track pack with the same adjustments absolutely DESTROYS the porche (which is my dream car) Wish they had tested it too.
I think because the build isn’t that expensive especially compared to gas cars. They have aero, custom front bumper and hood. Custom carbon fiber doors, weight reduced which costs nothing, and bucket seats with harnesses which you would have in any race car. You don’t have to put any money into the motor so it’s pretty cheap as track built cars go.
@@EvoraGT430 lol nobody that actually tracks their cars cares about range or efficiency. That's why there's always gas pumps or charging stations directly at legit track sites. That's why Donut didn't talk about it.
My dad owns a Tesla and I can say it's fun if you can let yourself have the fun. I know some people who will just not let themselves just enjoy the technology that it has. At the same time I think combustion motors should be able to continue in some way. Great video
I don't find anything wrong with EVs but I recognize they are not for everyone so I don't think they should be forced on everyone by the government. People should have a choice. I looked into buying one last year but they are not in my price range. I absolutely don't find EVs appealing for racing because of the limited customization that's available. Combustion engines come in all different sizes with nearly an infinite number of aspects that can be changed to alter performance for different types of racing. Camshaft profiles, changes to spark timing, turbochargers, exhaust header tube length, gear ratios, etc are aspects that let each car become unique. EV don't have most of that. Aerodynamics and suspension tuning looks to be about it. The heart of the whole thing is stock. While they are quicker and faster, than combustion engine vehicles, I'm a gear head and I don't feel a connection to the EVs for racing because they are off the shelf with no real customization and no sound. I've been to NHRA Drag races, NASCAR races, Formula 1 races, etc and I could not imagine there being no sound! It's like EVs have no soul.
Tesla’s are just trash. The owner of the company is a trash human, the car quality is trash. The only saving grace it has is being electric, good charge mileage & having a charging port that’s the most accessible right now. The design is subpar at best. Mods on it make it look even more less appealing.
It's always the middle that is better for everyone and that is Hybrids. Literally best of both world. As much as I love ice cars I also love Hybrid. Ya I know world is evolving and all I 'car enthusiasts' part of me loves every car including the tesla but my 'petrol head' part would refuse to even look at evs and I know quit a lot of people who thinks that so ya Hybrids would be better future if given enough work and time.
@@edj2022 It's still a long time before any bans come in and tbh I doubt you'll be able to even find retailers still bothering to design and release new fossil cars by 2030. Even now most are putting basically all their r&d into EVs.
although you get the best of both worlds, you also get the worst of both worlds. You have a battery, a motor and an engine all wearing down and having their own issues. As evidence of this, hybrids have more car fires than ICE and way way more than EV alone. I like the benefits you get from hybrid but I do think the best option will be some future EV with ~500 mile EPA range and 20%-80% charging in about 10-15 mins. Until that exists I think they all are a compromise. Just my 2 cents though, as someone who has been driving all electric for 6 yrs.@@deletedaccount573
I'm actually so excited to see that battery radiator mod on the Tesla Model 3. It was the first thing I thought of when it came to building performance mods for EVs beyond the obvious stuff like weight reduction, and I'm glad to know my thoughts were right! I'd love to see what happens when you do this to like.. a Plaid
the issue is you can't cool battery packs fast enough. There's always a lag between heat generation and the cooling system being able to compensate. You have to move that heat from the battery packs to the radiation system and back. Batteries, under full load, can produce way more heat than most systems can mitigate. EVs are good at quick bursts of performance but they still lack the ability to maintain that performance. It's getting better but they aren't there yet.
@CRneu absolutely, even liquid cooling only goes so far. My thought initially was a nitrous or nitrous-adjacent system that, rather than blowing super dense air into the fuel system to increase combustion, was to just flush super compressed (and subsequently much colder) liquid nitrogen over the batteries in an attempt to flash-cool them. It'd require a lot of testing and I have no idea if that would be *nearly* enough cooling potential, but being able to port nos into EVs just for a different use case sounded so cool. Especially for show builds where EVs are already bagging their cars and putting the compressor tanks in the frunk. Just do that but with nos
At one side, the political pressure for a full replacement of the fleet and the Tesla fanboys. At the other side, diehard petrolheads who discredit and make fun of electric power at every given opportunity. And I don't wanna side with either of the extremes, I just wanna watch things unfold and enjoy them all! With freedom of choice, we should be fine.
a plaid with the track pack and same mods would have without a doubt beat the porsche. We're getting into those days already where a tesla is a better track car than a quarter million dollar porsche. we're pretty much already there.
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 The only stupid thing here is you lol GT3 looks uncomparably better, sound really good and It will have performance as good for tens of laps, tesla will get worse every lap .
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 so true how dare anyone talk bad about daddy elon's perfect car. a 30k ev that can only do 1 lap in peak performance is way better than that stupid quarter million dollar sports car that can do it all day.
Worth mentioning that everyone who does race car stuff knows, you as a driver get faster with each lap. Part of that is fuel weight loss, part of that is level of comfort, but the Tesla its the opposite peak power is the very first lap. But I have to say, that's pretty sick and it makes me want a Tesla tbh. To have a car that keeps up with a gt3 rs around a track, that probably costs half after those mods, and way less before the mods. Very cool
Not with only one out lap, especially in weather as cold as it looks. Especially not with the underdriving in the video. Tbh I'm not sure I'd even take 200tw Bridgestone re-71rs's out in this cold weather, I might bias to my PS4S set to ensure heat gets in them. That's more important than just throwing a slick on a car because it's a "race tire".
True. But a Model 3 performance is 40k with incentives. Gotta give it something right? A modified model S plaid would of blown the gt3rs to the moon. It has the fastest big willow track time ever and I don't see a gt3rs breaking any records on big willow.
Comparing Tesla 0-60 times to real performance cars is like comparing a microwave to a bbq grill. It may cook faster, but nobody ever wished for a microwaved burger
But tesla's were never supposed to be used as high performance vehicles? they are commute cars? You can say the same thing as a hellcat, or any muscle car, it is quick, but once you turn, its over.
2:22 *the fact that they even know what understeer and oversteer is, that’s kinda interesting* …ah yes it’s quite interesting that the scientists and people who’s profession is to create a state of the art electric vehicle. It’s impressive that they know what a simple concept is. I’m sure they are happy that you noticed that
@@borinvlogs Yes, but you can say that about any other super car. A Tesla can out drag a Bugatti. Is the Bugatti still worth a million+ is that no also a bigger "rip off".
While the Model 3 will overheat on a road course with prolonged acceleration and deceleration at the drag strip you actually have to heat the battery for max performance. At drag strips you don’t accelerate long enough to heat the battery. The Track Mode actually slows the car down tremendously because it cools the battery. My model 3 does the 1/4 mile in 11.17 @ 120.0 mph but only when I use preconditioning to heat the battery to over 130 degrees F.
I was thinking about this the other day - tempted to take my 3 performance to the nearby track. Would you recommend setting nav to the Supercharger so it will precondition the battery before I make a run?
@@ChrisLeiter which Track? Dragstrip or road course? For the dragstrip just navigate to a supercharger about 15 minutes before your run. I usually start preconditioning when I get into the line. For the road course you should put it in track mode about 10 minutes before your run and then leave it in track mode for each run. That will cool the battery and motors for sustained accelerations and braking.
NGL that Tesla looks pretty good. I'm not a fan of EV's and I'm not gonna get one untill there's no way to drive ICE's anymore. There's just too many inconviniences for me to daily EV in current state of network and range, but I'm not totally against them either. Nice build!
@@dsmluck The range complaints is what I find absurd. My neighbor has 3 Teslas, he uses the model 3 the most and he said he really only charge it everyday as EVs perform best at high battery charge. Dude drives miles everyday and it goes as low as 75%. Urban use is 100% for EVs. Cross country you might just rent a van.
People still don't understand. Its just like a robot dog vs a real dog. Yes a robot dog still barks and it doesn't get sick and with ai it can still show a certain affection and they don't stink. But the robot dog ain't a dog. And it will never reqlly replace a dog. Same for evs. It still ain't the same. The computer does most of the driving for you. It corrects all of your errors and keeps the thing going. Most ICE cars let you do your mistakes but you'll also going to pay for them if they go wrong. But thats a part of the experience.
"the computer does most of the driving for you" any assists the model 3 has are also available on the 911 (except for fsd, which doesnt even work on a track) except for fsd, the Model 3 has no more driving assists than your average ICE car, and you are literally just making shit up because you don't like EVs, it'd be like if Elon Musk said "EVs are better than ICE cars because ICE cars cause autism"
Same. I hear a lot about how quickly they lose performance, but from people that actually race Plaids ive been told its only 1-2% per quarter mile. Which a lot of 1000 hp gas cars burn more than 1-2% of their tank in the same amount of time
It is remarkable how close the times are! Two extremely different cars and a track long enough to get easily different times (even with two laps with the same car). The driver skill consistency is crazy!
While both cars are very impressive the fact the Porsche is on Cup2s and not slicks like the Tesla makes it not surprising at all that the Tesla was close. Tires are a MASSIVE factor when it comes to laps times.
@@scromberprofessionalautist1017 I didn't even pick up on that during the video. It basically makes the video pointless, especially since it's a small track. The aero isn't doing shit and it's all about tire grip...
@@scromberprofessionalautist1017 the car matter more then the tire, because the car drives the tire not the tire the car, so therefore the car is more important, and tesla is 1/5 the price so Tesla has 5 times better then porsche (also cybertrucl will beat the porsche while carrying one on back lol)
i think the laps 2-5 are the more important and interesting laps in this case, i wanted to see how a better cooled model 3 could do on a sustained track load
Saameee. Man it's a damn shame it won't come to the US. Plus I love that you can use the screens as an HDMI in for a game console. I swear if Honda made a wagon version with a longer battery it'll do incredibly well here.
Straight trash vehicle. Get into an accident and you’re done for. No Space no storage. Very very short range.0-60 is too slow. Bunch of cars that are better with the same price. With better tech and interior as well.
@@omegadomegaI agree with him when it comes to speed and range. If it’s an electric car and it’s slow then there is no point in buying one imo. If I wanted to save the environment I would ride the bus.
Man what a fun video! So interesting to see their honest reactions to the Tesla. That low center of gravity is awesome with the weight reductions they applied too
But it is a Model 3? And they called the Vitara an Escudo because that's the Japanese market name for it. "Escudo" isn't the name of the race car, it's just what Vitaras are called in Japan.
@@drdriftphd OK you miss my point. I'm fully aware of the names for the Escudo and should probably have typed "Monster Tajima's car". The point is they are Pikes Peak hillclimb specials - so far removed from the standard car there is only a very small amount of it left. Really this is a carbon fibre/aero race car with a Tesla drivetrain under it.
@@siraff4461 But they're not going to call it "the carbon fiber Pike's Peak racing modified Model 3" every time they talk about it, lol. Everybody knows it's a race car. So they can just call it a Model 3. It's the same as race announcers talking about the cars on the track. They'll call it a 911, or a 458, or whatever... they don't have to say "the legendary carbon-bodied full-race-prep 911 GT3 race car that is in no way like a regular Carrera."
0:22 I thought Jeremiah Burtons favourite car of all Time is the Mercedes CLK GTR. Which they say in their Video "Why Car companies loose money on purpose" 😂😂❤
EVs definitely need more love in the car community. I feel there's a negative connotation that EV owners are rich, environmental snobs. But a majority of people drive them just for their ease of use and at home charging.
Having owned both cars, let's not understate the facts that you need a higher degree of skill to drive a Porsche; whereas your grandmother can get those times with very little effort in a Tesla. (Yeah, I'd rather be driving the Porsche around a track.)
To make it even with the best track weapon that Porsche has to offer, they raced it against a mundane electric sedan. 😂😂 I can hear teardrops right now. Sounds like rain.
It's literally had everything that can be modified done to be the best at piles peak vs a straight from factory car lol. Like putting frustrated eg vs a stock aventador and laughing at the lambo 😂
Thanks guys for content like this. I know many car guys struggle in some way with the emergence of EVs, I did so myself for some time, but it is going to come and thinking about how we can make it cool will be essential imo. Also showing what you can modify as far as drivetrain goes (and there is much more than what Dai did as far as I know, like inverters, transmission, cooling, maybe the rotor of the electric motor, etc.). Would be cool to see more of that. Stay open minded guys! Stuff will only get as cool as we make it!
IDK, the actual performance aspect of my MYP is what's super cool for me. Ridiculous performance. I had to reprogram my 53yr old brain that grew up with "muscle cars". Big traditional engine sound is fun but it's the new sound of slow.
@@Acarloveredits what passion are you talking about? The Tesla does everything a race car would do minus the engine. It’s got tons of modifications and hours put into it to make a hill climb car. How is that not passion?
I wish they would've let Dai do a hot lap around the track in the Model 3 and then let Jeremiah try and beat it in the GT3RS
What true gearhead would want a modded model 3 over a GT3RS? No comparison.
@@993mike Nah, EVs are cool AF. You don't need to be _riding a glorified _*_vibrator_* that _makes loud noises_ just to feel "cool", you know. \s
Especially the racing EVs I mean _(the Model 3 in the video isn't it btw; I mean actual racing & kit cars)._ With those you can more easily feel the car & the road in terms of tactility & the actual sounds that the tires make on the road, as you don't have a loud AF engine that muffles all the other sounds around & under you.
yeah the person who drove both cars was shitting on the tesla the entire time
My thoughts exactly... Let the guy know the car drives it. Like putting me in a Formula 1 car and the time looks like crap and saying that the car is no good...🙄🤦
the reason why jerry drove both cars even when he’s shitting on Tesla is he’s a qualified race driver with a racing license. Dai is actually comfortable with jerry driving his car. And the differences between both cars after a hot lap is drumroll 57ms. And when they do time attacks they try to do it multiple times more than 1 lap with warmup take the best lap time. Even the gt3 could get less time when did on multiple laps
Dai seems cool as hell.
Bro is basically working retirement right now
I followed his Formula D effort, years ago. He's pretty cool guy. Also his english got much better.
Dia's farther is an all time legend.
No, totally not, dai drives electric cars
he's gonna be a cool old wise man when he gets old :)
As a car enthusiast I think it’s cool incorporating electric cars on the channel. They are undeniably impressive . I can appreciate something new while still loving the classics
🤢
As a carriage enthusiast I think it's cool incorporating ICE cars on the streets. They are undeniably impressive. I can appreciate something new while still loving the horse-drawn classics
Thanks for having a brain.
@@MrTierhog774tbh i dont really think most ev haters have a brain lol
@@ChadCarney-hu3du waaaaaaa me hate electric waaaaaaaaa 😭😭😭
the DRS on the porsche is insane!
Edit: guys chill i just meant it looks cool cause we can press a button and it activates cause we dont get to drive f1 cars so this is the only we can access manual drs, active aero etc.
my inner F1 child gets goosebumps everytime i see it
nothing compared to the new $300,000 Mustang GTD.
@@kevinkarbonik2928notice how u say new. The 992 is 5 years old. The 992.2 comes out next year using a hybrid engine that only takes gas. But itll utilize the instant torque an EV brings. The new porsches will set even better records.
@@kevinkarbonik2928 LMFAO comparing a Mustang to a 911...
I suggest you look into it, 825 HP, a rear transaxle gearbox, full carbon fiber body, inboard active suspension, active DRS and under body air control, it's no joke. but it is $300,000 @@CrossWindsPat
Guys I wanna see a full dang lap. Let us watch in car footage of the two cars going around uninterrupted
Absolutely. This video could have easily been 25 minutes and provided much more detail without being boring
I agree. The editing is great everywhere else but the laps are too interrupted. Gears and Gasoline has this down perfectly
I’ve got full laps in my Tesla on my channel.
So many channels are doing annoying editing now and they say it's for "retention". Imo they should keep short form style content on yt shorts and not try to mix them and make the long form content suffer the same terrible fate.
Yeah this is something ive been complaining about for many years now. Many videos could be much longer and have much more detail.
I had a Model 3 for a few years. It was fantastic to drive, and I really loved the experience. I only sold it when the second-hand market went crazy a year or so ago because I was able to get almost all of my money back for a 3.5 year old car. Having owned and lived with one for a long time, I don't understand all the negative comments people are always very eager to share with me about EVs.
Those people are almost always people who have never owned one, and most haven't even driven one. They sure speak with authority, though. It's eye-opening to see how wrong people are, but they sure believe they are right.
I own a model Y long range. I can’t even with all the truck drivers wanting to race me all the time. It’s kind of cute, ‘cause 90 percent of them would lose. I obviously don’t engage, and I live in Maine with a lot of hicks 😂😂😂
While I was waiting for my Plaid to be delivered, I rented a '20 992 Cabriolet for a few days, and then a Model 3 long range for a week. Everyone will call me a liar, but the Model 3 was more fun to drive than the Porsche. Driving them back to back was eye-opening. I know the Porsche is faster every way you measure it, but the model 3 felt faster. The PDK is awesome, but the EV's constant power is better. The Model 3 was like driving a big go-kart, it was really easy to feel what the car is doing and really easy to control it. The single pedal driving makes it really easy to balance the car in corners. My prediction is that the Boxter EV will be the best sports car ever.
Many people love jumping on the bandwagon of hating Tesla even though it's a decent car.
@@75yomu Decent car? LOL. For 30K less than a BMW M3, the Tesla M3 smokes the bimmer, with instant acceleration, way better features, way safer, updates over the year, drives itself, miles ahead better software, charges at home, doesn't pollute, is silent, etc, etc. Decent? Teslas are the best cars on the road, bar none.
an interesting perspective I’ve realized this year driving multiple cars on the same track back to back is that the driver may actually be the limiting factor in regards to lap times in the sense that a person has a certain confidence level or sense of speed they wont go past, and that leads to very similar lap times between cars whereas the cars might be able to go around the track faster than the driver thinks it can. It’s extremely hard to extract 100% potential out of a car without having a substantial amount of time behind the wheel.
I don't think anyone is doubting that the driver was the limiting factor for the lap times in this video. That being said, I would bet that Jeremiah got faster laps than most of us could (he does have some good experience - Skip Barber). Rather than looking at athe driver as a limiting factor, look at the driver as a controlled factor when it comes to testing. For example, if you put Verstappen in either of those cars, and Jeremiah in the other, Verstappen will have the faster lap. The results of the test infers that if you put most experienced drivers in both cars, the GT3 RS will have a slightly faster lap time....but I want to see more testing between these two cars!
this exactly
If we put him in a VW Passat, do you think the times would be in the same ballpark?
These lap times being this close is indicative that you don't have to go GT3RS (unless you got the money and desire to) for an incredible car
@@JerkFrags On the other hand is the "fastest" car even fastest if there is only 1 person in the world that can drive it that fast? Ease of driving and confidence that car gives is really important because ultimately everyone wants to drive fast without putting thousands of hours of practice time.
@@JollyGiant19 I think the arguement is that both of these cars could probably go faster. Because its 1 driver, driving 2 different cars he is not used to, we're not gonna be able to see the actual difference. I can totally see those times being the most hes willing to push a car he doesn't own and is not fully comfortable driving.
It's really impressive that Dai dialed in a car that was essentially uncharted territory in the time attack or performance modification scenes
Comparing a standard Porsche 911 gt3 rs to a standard Tesla model S plaid. This the official lap times set on Nürburgring Nordschleife:
Porsche 911 GT3 RS : 6:44.848 min.
Tesla model S plaid : 7:35.579 min.
Model 3- The $50,000 model car, not the model s plaid. It was the Porsche 911 gt3, the $250,000 car
@@the2ndamendment I know. I was just comparing a standard 911 GT3 RS to the fastest standard Tesla.
With all due respect, I feel like driving was a limiting factor in this comparison - one practice lap can't be enough to start pushing.
Not unless you’re Randy Pobst
especially with a car like the gt3rs ...id imagine that you can push this thing to levels that you don't feel comfortable with at first ^^ but they entertaining regardless
Yea the gt3 is going to be trickier to drive than the Tesla , cuz like he said in the video you have to do less in the Tesla
@@garythecyclingnerd6219Mr. Pobst is the Bob Ross of driving.
They said he was doing “some warmup laps” in the gt3rs, so that’s more than one
Dai should've gotten a go in his Tesla, he probably knows this car inside out.
It would be an unfair competition then you would have to have someone whi knows how to drive the Porshe just as well as dai knows how to drive the tesla
@@thenaughtylemonethat’s the thing. The guy knew Porsche already but knew nothing about a Tesla.
Dai shouldve driven BOTH
I would've enjoyed Dai driving the Tesla, then doing a second lap in Tesla to see if it loses much time after losing battery life.
@@XeonSX How exactly did he know the Porsche?
Interesting that with relatively modest modifications a Model 3 can be a quick track day car.
There aren't many $50k road cars you can say that about.
I wonder if we'll start to see software mods for track day Tesla's, to take exploit some of the possibilities that electric motors should allow, such as torque vectoring.
Dont get me wrong, the Tesla is hands down incredible and the build they did for it is nothing short of spectacular. But it had to be said that the biggest factor for the laptime being so close is, what looks to be, the racing slicks that it is driving on. No matter how much aero, power of suspension tuning you do. The tires will always be the most important in the end. The porsche was on Cup 2 tires, which are incredible tires but nowhere near to slicks. Imagine if the porsche had those slicks!
Both cars were severely underdriven, My model 3 with just 200tw tires can do 1:19's around streets of willow.
I don't know that I agree. With the times being so close, the biggest factor was the driver. Nothing against Jer, but it's more likely he unintentionally cautioned himself several times.
I'm sure if we had the track footage we could see it. Again, with times that close and cars that different, I'm looking squarely at the driver over everything else.
@@adamsfusion Let's be real. He's not that great of a driver. When he came to Australia he was way off the competition. Plenty of pro drivers rock up at tracks they've never done and are within a second of the pole within a few laps.
Well one thing I noticed is he appeared to be able to find his line quicker in the GT3 and proceeded to fine tune, where as the MP3 he was constantly readjusting his line (lots of wiggling of the steering wheel). That says MP3 should have been faster granted cause it was on slicks: not only better tire but the only thing keeping MP3's weight vs grip in check.
@@stevencase243sounds about right. People are scared to push the limits.
The DRS on the porsche is UNREAL!!!
That's some f1 technology right there
@@chrism869lol
The tesla is sick
You are easy to impress, that is something very old, already used the 3000gt front and rear
Even Audi A7 has that
I would really like a deep dive into the trackmode from you guys. Always like to see real car people testing EVs.
@@Becausefamilycar yeah Sure Buddy what ever
@@xSimplyPwhich bit.
If it’s the battery tech, then you really should look up solid state batteries, they will change EVs for better on massive ways.
There are Tesla racing accounts around, if you want to look for them. One of them, Unplugged, does top end Tesla modifications and have top racers drive them in events such as time attacks and pikes peak (among many other things they do) Check them out
I've used track mode during autocross and you can feel the difference when you dial it for different settings
00:22 "my favorite car of all time"
Episode from a few days ago titled: "Why car companies lose money on purpose?"
Timestamp: 5:45 "my personal favorite car of all time"
Bro has a new favorite car of all time each episode.
And the car is new! How can it be ''of all time''?
a few videos ago the type R did a 1:24 around the track, surprised to see the GT3RS didnt just absolutely blow it out of the water!
3 seconds on a track this small Is a huge difference
he probably had more laps to practice with the type R, but yeah, suprised by it too
it's a tiny track. pretty much every performance car they drive on it is within 10 seconds of eachother, most are within 5 seconds. 3 seconds is a pretty big difference.
In spite of having a motor that sounds boring AF, the new CTR really seems to have the necessary value proposition. Still not OK with owning a DGI motor myself, but thats another convo.
Track this small three seconds is easily five or six car lengths
tires are the easiest "upgrade" for any car to go faster on the track, but comparing the laptimes of a car that you can drive home, and another where you either have to put on a trailer, or switch out the tires for, is totally not a good comparison. You should have put track tires, but street legal ones, and would have made this test have a lot more water.
9:57 someone definitely got left hanging there but its alright they cut the video to save face lmao
Bros had a whole ass pro raceway driver at their disposal. And we're like "nahhhh" 😂
Brilliant. Finally a Tesla test that involves corners. Thanks for the comparison lads
There's a bunch of videos from the last couple of years with the Model S Plaid "Dark Helmet" build that is the exact same.
Insightful comparison between the Tesla Model 3 and Porsche GT3 RS, well done! It's clear that even though EVs have some limitations, they can still put up a respectable performance on the track.
In my 70 years I’ve owned 4 Porsches, I now own 2 Teslas - hands down Tesla !
for one lap....its a hotlapper car but not a tracktool for a day at the track like the Porsche
@@shepherdsknoll for lifestyle, surr but raw speed and performance, its the Porsche, not even mentioning it was the guy's first laps in a porsche which can take years to truly control😊
@@YSF_B28 , sorry gamer, Any ice is just old technology.
@@shepherdsknoll yeah it's old tech, but it's objectively more badass💪💪
I’ve owned some awesome ICE cars, and now own a Tesla, and loved both, so I get to sit here and happily watch both sides pushing each other to get better and better, and that’s insanely exciting to me. Competition always brings out the absolute best in an industry
Very well said! I can't wait to see where this new age of ev speed takes us in the next 5 years or so.
I fell semi solid state and then true solid state cells will open up ALL kinds of new doors for real perf evs. 👍🏻😎
Are you scared of some good old 426 Hemi V8?
@@Disciple_of_God. nope. Love them as well, although for the average person, a 440 was faster because you had to be an exceptional driver to get the most out of a 426
Folks don't realize lots of us tesla guys used to be gas guys too
I'm looking forward to when car people can just be car people again without these platform wars. The motorbike world doesn't have this issue, a biker is a biker. A EV owner can absolutely be a car guy, the gatekeeping is so silly
Would love to see a follow-up video discussing various handling experiences between the two cars.
Why?
One is 100 years plus of development the other is garbage
@@Becausefamilycardumbass
@@Becausefamilycarhow is it garbage if it had basically the same lap time 😭
Now I wanna see a stock GT3RS at pikes peak
It would poop it's pants and die. Pikes is brutal.
@@Mostlyharmless1985Lol. True though. You also get less oxygen up there. Which sucks for petrol cars. EVs couldn't care less.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 Although in 2023 Pike's Peak race, a 2019 Porsche GT2 RS Clubsport won 1st in its class (Time Attack 1), and 4th overall (behind the Open and Unlimited classes).
A 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid (Randy Pobst) finished 2nd in Exhibition, 10th overall, but almost 35 seconds behind the Porsche GT2RS.
It wouldn’t do all that great. Pikes Peak is a whole different animal and the engines have to be tuned for high altitude.
@@Mostlyharmless1985 Lol it would rock against a stock model 3
This video is pretty cool. Nice to see more people embracing new technology and applying fundamentals to make awesome builds.
I forgot Jeremiah is the only trained professional when it comes to track
You should have let Dai drive that and get a real time.
@@TimiAkintoyehave Dai drive both cars
Ya, at the very least they should have posted Dai's typical lap time in his model 3 there. Better just to have him do the laps.
@@js2000honda i agree with you, just seemed to be a missed opportunity since Dai was there.
Technically, he could give 1 best lap in his tesla since he already so used to it, THEN go for a few hot laps in the porsche since he would have to get used to the porsche.
@@RoleAce or have Porsche's own racing driver drive the GT3.
You can't use different drivers on a head to head test. That messes with one of the most crucial variables that needs to be controlled for for any of this to make sense
"Jerry was a race car driver
He drove so goddamned fast
Never did win no checkered flags
But he never did come in last
Jerry was a race car driver
He'd say "El Sob number one"
With a Bocephus sticker on his 442
He'd light 'em up just for fun"
Gotta love Primus.
Primus sucks! 🤘
First time hearing ur mom jokes on donut 1:38
Jeremiah has a new favorite car of all time every phucking video.
Sitting down to watch Donut eating a sandwich 🥪 from Turkey leftovers, going to spend Boxing day watching RUclips and lounging around 😂
exact same 😂
Watch your cornhole.
Boxing day???
@@lucasoosterveld607 the day after Christmas is called Boxing Day
@@lucasoosterveld607 "Boxing Day is a holiday celebrated after Christmas Day, occurring on the second day of Christmastide (26 December).[1] Though it originated as a holiday to give gifts to people in need, today Boxing Day forms part of Christmas celebrations, with many people choosing to take advantage of Boxing Day sales."
It's celebrated by the UK and some other countries I believe. Not including the US. Canada I believe is the only North American country that celebrates it.
Along with a driver experienced in the car, a gps timer would be much better than a hand stopwatch. Anything within a half-second is pretty much meaningless when timing by hand
I like when he says “and that’s car you can buy and drive off the lot” in what a world😂😂
I feel the build cost of the Tesla was completely glossed over
It's around 12-20k.
And the tesla Plaid track pack with the same adjustments absolutely DESTROYS the porche (which is my dream car)
Wish they had tested it too.
Also the lack of range.
I think because the build isn’t that expensive especially compared to gas cars. They have aero, custom front bumper and hood. Custom carbon fiber doors, weight reduced which costs nothing, and bucket seats with harnesses which you would have in any race car. You don’t have to put any money into the motor so it’s pretty cheap as track built cars go.
@darkcircle899 you forgot the full roll cage, big brake kit, wheels, tires and other stuff
@@EvoraGT430 lol nobody that actually tracks their cars cares about range or efficiency. That's why there's always gas pumps or charging stations directly at legit track sites. That's why Donut didn't talk about it.
Donut videos seem long but when u start, they end so quickly. Time really is relative.
My dad owns a Tesla and I can say it's fun if you can let yourself have the fun. I know some people who will just not let themselves just enjoy the technology that it has. At the same time I think combustion motors should be able to continue in some way. Great video
I don't find anything wrong with EVs but I recognize they are not for everyone so I don't think they should be forced on everyone by the government. People should have a choice. I looked into buying one last year but they are not in my price range. I absolutely don't find EVs appealing for racing because of the limited customization that's available. Combustion engines come in all different sizes with nearly an infinite number of aspects that can be changed to alter performance for different types of racing. Camshaft profiles, changes to spark timing, turbochargers, exhaust header tube length, gear ratios, etc are aspects that let each car become unique. EV don't have most of that. Aerodynamics and suspension tuning looks to be about it. The heart of the whole thing is stock. While they are quicker and faster, than combustion engine vehicles, I'm a gear head and I don't feel a connection to the EVs for racing because they are off the shelf with no real customization and no sound. I've been to NHRA Drag races, NASCAR races, Formula 1 races, etc and I could not imagine there being no sound! It's like EVs have no soul.
Tesla’s are just trash. The owner of the company is a trash human, the car quality is trash. The only saving grace it has is being electric, good charge mileage & having a charging port that’s the most accessible right now. The design is subpar at best. Mods on it make it look even more less appealing.
It's always the middle that is better for everyone and that is Hybrids. Literally best of both world. As much as I love ice cars I also love Hybrid. Ya I know world is evolving and all I 'car enthusiasts' part of me loves every car including the tesla but my 'petrol head' part would refuse to even look at evs and I know quit a lot of people who thinks that so ya Hybrids would be better future if given enough work and time.
@@edj2022 It's still a long time before any bans come in and tbh I doubt you'll be able to even find retailers still bothering to design and release new fossil cars by 2030. Even now most are putting basically all their r&d into EVs.
although you get the best of both worlds, you also get the worst of both worlds. You have a battery, a motor and an engine all wearing down and having their own issues. As evidence of this, hybrids have more car fires than ICE and way way more than EV alone. I like the benefits you get from hybrid but I do think the best option will be some future EV with ~500 mile EPA range and 20%-80% charging in about 10-15 mins. Until that exists I think they all are a compromise. Just my 2 cents though, as someone who has been driving all electric for 6 yrs.@@deletedaccount573
I love that Jerry Berry is now the test driver now that he is legitimately a race car driver.
Literally the most fun car channel on RUclips. Thank you all!
I think we need a monolist of race times at The Streets
for sure
For those of you looking, the race starts at 7:30
thx
Justin meshes SO WELL with everyone he works with. Such a great guy. Quickly became one of my favorite hosts.
Keep up the great work guys!
Imagine listening to rocks crumble and tire sound 😂😂
I’ll choose the Porsche for pure music to ears
@Michael-pi8ps no need to gatekeep racing my friend! I am sure there’s many who race just for the enjoyment.
I'm actually so excited to see that battery radiator mod on the Tesla Model 3. It was the first thing I thought of when it came to building performance mods for EVs beyond the obvious stuff like weight reduction, and I'm glad to know my thoughts were right! I'd love to see what happens when you do this to like.. a Plaid
the issue is you can't cool battery packs fast enough. There's always a lag between heat generation and the cooling system being able to compensate. You have to move that heat from the battery packs to the radiation system and back. Batteries, under full load, can produce way more heat than most systems can mitigate. EVs are good at quick bursts of performance but they still lack the ability to maintain that performance. It's getting better but they aren't there yet.
@@CRneu Liquid cooling has entered the room
@CRneu absolutely, even liquid cooling only goes so far. My thought initially was a nitrous or nitrous-adjacent system that, rather than blowing super dense air into the fuel system to increase combustion, was to just flush super compressed (and subsequently much colder) liquid nitrogen over the batteries in an attempt to flash-cool them. It'd require a lot of testing and I have no idea if that would be *nearly* enough cooling potential, but being able to port nos into EVs just for a different use case sounded so cool. Especially for show builds where EVs are already bagging their cars and putting the compressor tanks in the frunk. Just do that but with nos
See the dark helmet plaid driven by Randy pobst. 👍🏻😎
@@CrossWindsPat aren't tesla batteries already liquid cooled? There's liquid flowing through that radiator, no?
What’s with Donut changing the colors of cars in the thumbnail? This isn’t the first time.
IKR???
Love that you guys finally did something with Evasive. Those guys are the best and have built some amazing cars!
Yeah I concur! As soon as i saw the thumb nail i was jazzed to watch this. Not a fan of electric. But i wanted to see this car in action.
I'm much more excited by their 86 and S2000
I enjoy EV and ICE vehicles. The future is fine in the hands of enthusiasts who want to have fun, regardless of the propulsion system.
Agree. I’ve got both currently. lol
Same here. One EV and one ICE.@@TheAllAmericanDriver
I'm right there with you guys. If it goes fast I like it.
At one side, the political pressure for a full replacement of the fleet and the Tesla fanboys. At the other side, diehard petrolheads who discredit and make fun of electric power at every given opportunity. And I don't wanna side with either of the extremes, I just wanna watch things unfold and enjoy them all! With freedom of choice, we should be fine.
EV arent fun for anyone..
6:51 that reminds me of Forza
The fact that Gt3 can achieve more with 6 cylinders than some V8 cars can, is incredible.
Is it? The # of cylinders is so overrepresented in most peoples idea performance. It really is alot less important than so many other factors
Some v8s? Almost every v8 can not keep up with a gt3rs on a track
Cylinders don't really matter on track
Same argument that a highly modified 4 pot can overpower a v8... 👀
The fact koenigsegg has a 600hp 3 cylinder should tell you that the amount of cylinders means nothing.
🚦Come on guys if it’s either or I’m taking the GT3RS all day any day and every way and twice on Sunday 😂😂
Hell Yeah Brother 😎
A mobile SIM rig ….Tesla 😂
Facts I’m a slut for DRS 😵
Not worth it for the price,it's like 400k that's ridiculous
DRS is enough to make that decision for me …Porsche RS models are what track focus automobiles are all about the pinnacle
a plaid with the track pack and same mods would have without a doubt beat the porsche. We're getting into those days already where a tesla is a better track car than a quarter million dollar porsche. we're pretty much already there.
TEAM GT3 ALL DAY 🎉
Just because of a stupid noise ?
@@michalandrejmolnar3715yes
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 yes.
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 The only stupid thing here is you lol
GT3 looks uncomparably better, sound really good and It will have performance as good for tens of laps, tesla will get worse every lap .
@@michalandrejmolnar3715 so true how dare anyone talk bad about daddy elon's perfect car. a 30k ev that can only do 1 lap in peak performance is way better than that stupid quarter million dollar sports car that can do it all day.
Man, you guys are living the dream, this looks like an awesome day no matter the results.
really wish i could drive that model 3 and take it on monza!
“Model 3 becoming more and more popular among car enthusiasts” said no one ever.
Worth mentioning that everyone who does race car stuff knows, you as a driver get faster with each lap. Part of that is fuel weight loss, part of that is level of comfort, but the Tesla its the opposite peak power is the very first lap. But I have to say, that's pretty sick and it makes me want a Tesla tbh. To have a car that keeps up with a gt3 rs around a track, that probably costs half after those mods, and way less before the mods. Very cool
After seeing you guys kill it in TCA racing series, it’s so amazing to see Dai on the channel!
Imagine driving to the grocery store and then your friend sets your car into drift mode
I mean the Tesla has slick tires. That's should make a huge difference.
Makes the biggest difference!
I noticed the same thing, not exactly a fair race
Not with only one out lap, especially in weather as cold as it looks. Especially not with the underdriving in the video. Tbh I'm not sure I'd even take 200tw Bridgestone re-71rs's out in this cold weather, I might bias to my PS4S set to ensure heat gets in them. That's more important than just throwing a slick on a car because it's a "race tire".
True. But a Model 3 performance is 40k with incentives. Gotta give it something right? A modified model S plaid would of blown the gt3rs to the moon. It has the fastest big willow track time ever and I don't see a gt3rs breaking any records on big willow.
@@justinbecker4772 They have one HOT LAP. Im sure both cars have done a lap or 2 at mild speed, enough to warm them up a good amount.
Comparing Tesla 0-60 times to real performance cars is like comparing a microwave to a bbq grill. It may cook faster, but nobody ever wished for a microwaved burger
Eloquently said
But tesla's were never supposed to be used as high performance vehicles? they are commute cars? You can say the same thing as a hellcat, or any muscle car, it is quick, but once you turn, its over.
@@NethercraftMC That's why you own a non American fast car that handles.
@@rasta77-x7o exactly but teslas aren’t the only comparison
So you're saying being slow is better for racing?
2:22 *the fact that they even know what understeer and oversteer is, that’s kinda interesting* …ah yes it’s quite interesting that the scientists and people who’s profession is to create a state of the art electric vehicle. It’s impressive that they know what a simple concept is. I’m sure they are happy that you noticed that
They should have had a professional driver like Randy Pobst drive to you really know where the true limits are.
I love how happy Jeremiah seems being able to drive these two cars! Literal coming true!
Boys. Should have given Dai a lap at the end.
That looks like a lot of fun . The Tesla makes it easy to drive but not the experience and feeling that the GT3 RS gives .
GT3 RS seems like a rip off when you think about the price.
@@borinvlogs The price of the GT3 RS is out of my range💀💀 .
@@borinvlogs Yes, but you can say that about any other super car. A Tesla can out drag a Bugatti. Is the Bugatti still worth a million+ is that no also a bigger "rip off".
While the Model 3 will overheat on a road course with prolonged acceleration and deceleration at the drag strip you actually have to heat the battery for max performance. At drag strips you don’t accelerate long enough to heat the battery. The Track Mode actually slows the car down tremendously because it cools the battery. My model 3 does the 1/4 mile in 11.17 @ 120.0 mph but only when I use preconditioning to heat the battery to over 130 degrees F.
I was thinking about this the other day - tempted to take my 3 performance to the nearby track. Would you recommend setting nav to the Supercharger so it will precondition the battery before I make a run?
@@ChrisLeiter which Track? Dragstrip or road course? For the dragstrip just navigate to a supercharger about 15 minutes before your run. I usually start preconditioning when I get into the line. For the road course you should put it in track mode about 10 minutes before your run and then leave it in track mode for each run. That will cool the battery and motors for sustained accelerations and braking.
@@ChrisLeiterYes, I've heard this is the way. You can even use service mode to check battery temps. I think you want ~50C to for best drag run.
Dragstrip - not really into putting my daily drivers on a road course these days ;)
Thanks for the tip@@LearningFast
1/4 mille 11.17 sec? Liar…
a 50k car within half a second of a quarter million dollar car is insane
Wish ya let Dai do a hot lap in the model 3 to compare
Then they should let some professional gt3 racer drive Porsche too.
NGL that Tesla looks pretty good. I'm not a fan of EV's and I'm not gonna get one untill there's no way to drive ICE's anymore. There's just too many inconviniences for me to daily EV in current state of network and range, but I'm not totally against them either.
Nice build!
What kind of job do you have where you drive >150miles a day? Or is it a lack of home charging?
@@dsmluck The range complaints is what I find absurd. My neighbor has 3 Teslas, he uses the model 3 the most and he said he really only charge it everyday as EVs perform best at high battery charge. Dude drives miles everyday and it goes as low as 75%. Urban use is 100% for EVs. Cross country you might just rent a van.
People still don't understand. Its just like a robot dog vs a real dog. Yes a robot dog still barks and it doesn't get sick and with ai it can still show a certain affection and they don't stink. But the robot dog ain't a dog. And it will never reqlly replace a dog. Same for evs. It still ain't the same. The computer does most of the driving for you. It corrects all of your errors and keeps the thing going. Most ICE cars let you do your mistakes but you'll also going to pay for them if they go wrong. But thats a part of the experience.
"the computer does most of the driving for you" any assists the model 3 has are also available on the 911 (except for fsd, which doesnt even work on a track)
except for fsd, the Model 3 has no more driving assists than your average ICE car, and you are literally just making shit up because you don't like EVs, it'd be like if Elon Musk said "EVs are better than ICE cars because ICE cars cause autism"
Would have been interesting to do a second lap to see the performance hit
The ynever do that these phony ev-shills never do a proper race since they would loose 100% of the time...
Negligible. These guys are actual donuts
Same. I hear a lot about how quickly they lose performance, but from people that actually race Plaids ive been told its only 1-2% per quarter mile. Which a lot of 1000 hp gas cars burn more than 1-2% of their tank in the same amount of time
@@rileybriggs4731 Yeah and they need aproxx 30 sec to refill if they have a race tank 2 minutes it they don't how fast you can recharge your ev-?
@maszkalman3676 it's a good thing nobody is doing mid race refueling during regular track days.
It is remarkable how close the times are!
Two extremely different cars and a track long enough to get easily different times (even with two laps with the same car).
The driver skill consistency is crazy!
Yeah, he's consistently slow lol. To be fair, both are very hard to replace if he wrecks them.
Lol
While both cars are very impressive the fact the Porsche is on Cup2s and not slicks like the Tesla makes it not surprising at all that the Tesla was close. Tires are a MASSIVE factor when it comes to laps times.
@@scromberprofessionalautist1017 I didn't even pick up on that during the video. It basically makes the video pointless, especially since it's a small track. The aero isn't doing shit and it's all about tire grip...
@@scromberprofessionalautist1017 the car matter more then the tire, because the car drives the tire not the tire the car, so therefore the car is more important, and tesla is 1/5 the price so Tesla has 5 times better then porsche (also cybertrucl will beat the porsche while carrying one on back lol)
As a car guy, I can’t believe Jeremiah closed the door on the Porsche by the window! Great video though, guys!
i think the laps 2-5 are the more important and interesting laps in this case, i wanted to see how a better cooled model 3 could do on a sustained track load
I get what you are saying from a tire and brake perspective, but a better cooled Tesla? is this not the Model 3 that did Pikes?
is Pikes Peak NOT a "sustained track load"
With the access to the track that y'all have, I feel like you guys could do a "Best Motoring" style show on your channel
E30 content pls
I would take something like a Honda E as a daily all day long. It’s not meant to be fast or crazy, just a nice little city commuter
Saameee. Man it's a damn shame it won't come to the US. Plus I love that you can use the screens as an HDMI in for a game console. I swear if Honda made a wagon version with a longer battery it'll do incredibly well here.
Straight trash vehicle. Get into an accident and you’re done for. No Space no storage. Very very short range.0-60 is too slow. Bunch of cars that are better with the same price. With better tech and interior as well.
Never even heard of the Honda E before. Had to look it up. Why don’t we get interesting cars in NA 🤦♂️
@Fumbiii16 Not everything is about speed lil bro
@@omegadomegaI agree with him when it comes to speed and range. If it’s an electric car and it’s slow then there is no point in buying one imo. If I wanted to save the environment I would ride the bus.
Man what a fun video! So interesting to see their honest reactions to the Tesla. That low center of gravity is awesome with the weight reductions they applied too
im really impress that jer finally finish some laps jasjsajj
Calling Dai's car a model 3 is like calling Monster Tajima's Escudo a Vitara.
But it is a Model 3? And they called the Vitara an Escudo because that's the Japanese market name for it. "Escudo" isn't the name of the race car, it's just what Vitaras are called in Japan.
@@drdriftphd OK you miss my point. I'm fully aware of the names for the Escudo and should probably have typed "Monster Tajima's car".
The point is they are Pikes Peak hillclimb specials - so far removed from the standard car there is only a very small amount of it left. Really this is a carbon fibre/aero race car with a Tesla drivetrain under it.
@@siraff4461 But they're not going to call it "the carbon fiber Pike's Peak racing modified Model 3" every time they talk about it, lol. Everybody knows it's a race car. So they can just call it a Model 3. It's the same as race announcers talking about the cars on the track. They'll call it a 911, or a 458, or whatever... they don't have to say "the legendary carbon-bodied full-race-prep 911 GT3 race car that is in no way like a regular Carrera."
It's nowhere near close as modified as Tajima's car.
@@siraff4461If the drive train and shape remain the same... it's a model 3 lol.
An up to speed for us all on James's dad please?
0:22 I thought Jeremiah Burtons favourite car of all Time is the Mercedes CLK GTR. Which they say in their Video "Why Car companies loose money on purpose" 😂😂❤
EVs definitely need more love in the car community. I feel there's a negative connotation that EV owners are rich, environmental snobs. But a majority of people drive them just for their ease of use and at home charging.
Porsche 911 GT3 RS all day everyday 😘
I like the yellow progress bar on the bottom of the video that shows how much longer one has to sit through an ad.
He looked so bored in the Tesla but focused. And looked so happy in the Porsche
Cope
@@georgyzhukov6409 cope? What am I coping with 😂😂😂. I think any car guy can admit the Porsche is better
Having owned both cars, let's not understate the facts that you need a higher degree of skill to drive a Porsche; whereas your grandmother can get those times with very little effort in a Tesla. (Yeah, I'd rather be driving the Porsche around a track.)
The fact that we could only do 1 lap because of the Tesla says it all.
To make it even with the best track weapon that Porsche has to offer, they raced it against a mundane electric sedan. 😂😂 I can hear teardrops right now. Sounds like rain.
Tbf the 991 gt2 rs absolutely demolishes everything, but it's funny to see a family sedan which costs 3x less staying on par with a track monster😂
It's literally had everything that can be modified done to be the best at piles peak vs a straight from factory car lol. Like putting frustrated eg vs a stock aventador and laughing at the lambo 😂
Thanks guys for content like this. I know many car guys struggle in some way with the emergence of EVs, I did so myself for some time, but it is going to come and thinking about how we can make it cool will be essential imo.
Also showing what you can modify as far as drivetrain goes (and there is much more than what Dai did as far as I know, like inverters, transmission, cooling, maybe the rotor of the electric motor, etc.).
Would be cool to see more of that.
Stay open minded guys! Stuff will only get as cool as we make it!
IDK, the actual performance aspect of my MYP is what's super cool for me. Ridiculous performance. I had to reprogram my 53yr old brain that grew up with "muscle cars". Big traditional engine sound is fun but it's the new sound of slow.
It’s impressive what Model 3 can do!
“World’s fastest Tesla” ? I’m confused, isn’t that title reserved for the Tesla Model S plaid?
They are youtubers, stupid people
might be "around a track"?🤷🏼♂️
@@tylerblackard01 no the ModelS plaid is significant faster on the track double the HP lol
@@kenion2166this Tesla would dog a plaid on the track. Think about it
@@camjronmaybe, but the dark helmet plaid would dog this
Hate on electrics all you want, it’s pretty cool that you can get Porsche level performance with one, including mods, for like a 1/4 the cost.
for one lap only and that's it
@@verdelenot really. Maybe a half second loss on the 2nd lap. Not much.
@@verdele not true. But even if it was, I’d still be happy in a car that can run just as fast as car that costs 4-5x as much.
But you will not get the same passionl
Who even cares?
I do not want to go fast or win!
@@Acarloveredits what passion are you talking about? The Tesla does everything a race car would do minus the engine. It’s got tons of modifications and hours put into it to make a hill climb car. How is that not passion?
I love how the 3rs is faster with a leather interior
Mad congrats on the donut dudes for realizing their dreams… but I kinda miss the poor boys goofing off
If you want to put the spectators asleep and make everyone not Remember the track event buy an EV.
No Randy Poobst or Alonso or any other pro?? Lmao video looked legit at the beginning! Failed miserably to put your mark! Donut!
It has to be so strange to go from the porsche screaming to a completely quiet tesla
do the same race with same cars one year later
We replace car batteries every year or 2 so electric cars are pufff💥
Got my hrprs shirt today! Sick! Hella comfortable thick and soft! Wasn't expecting it this way tbh but definitely will start buying more
For the price difference that is crazy actually