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My message to the LGBT+ community (which I am part of), go and support business where you are respected, welcomed, and appreciated.
Exactly! I'd never spend my money on a service, by a person who thinks I'm less than human just because my partner is the same gender as me.
I agree. Tell me your transphobic, homophobic, racist and such so I can avoid your business
AMEN!!
In other words...GO IN BUSINESS FOR YOURSELF!
I totally agree with you dear. Don’t take your money to places where you’re not welcomed.
This is the issue with court cases like these, it opens the door for very similar instances of discrimination.
Exactly
Yep! Very slippery slope
Only for those getting the Short End of doing the Right Thing!
Nobody want to deal with this unhinged group, that is hateful and want to destroy people that dont feed into their delusions. I don't blame them, and thats not discrimination
I guess I could see a religious person not wanting to make a web design for a gay wedding, but someone not wanting to do someone's hair? Where does the discrimination end or cross the line? I feel this is a slippery slope.
Me too. It's ridiculous!!
If somebody only wants to do women’s hair, they’re entitled to. You can’t force them to touch a man if they don’t want to.
Yeah, but she doesn't mind doing a gay or straight man's hair. She's also willing to do a Bisexual person's hair or a Lesbian's hair. She only doesn't want to do Trans or queer people. That's discriminatoon period.
@@bonanimathambo8721 Okay, but that still does not explain why they do not want to do trans people's hair. There are biologically female trans people, but she would not do trans people's hair. Also, like peterlee584 said, it does not seem like this individual has a problem with doing straight men's hair or gay men's hair. They only called out trans people specifically.
@@GO-GO_SO-SO Some people are very against trans ideology. So just like you understand a religious person not wanting to make a gay wedding cake, you should understand people not wanting to get physical and intimate with doing the hair of a trans person. They can just go to a hairdresser who doesn’t mind doing it.
Our society is so petty!!
We have natural disasters happening everyday and people fighting various diseases, halting their life.
And we are going to court over lifestyle preferences.🙄
VERY MUCH WELL SAID!
Yes, we should fix the big problems in life and ignore all the other problems. You're very intelligent.
that's humans for you. instead of working together to fix each other's problems that affect everyone...we just do stuff like this to disrespect others.
@Yumenga I love how you're trying to imply that the commenter is dumb when you're the idiot who didn't get that they meant that a persons sexuality isn't a problem in the first place
My barber shop in mishawaka, IN is a safe space for lgbtq. I have a Transcolor barberpole on my window at the shop. Any and everyone is welcome. I also work with people regarding how their hair plays a role in femine or masculine feeling they may have regarding how to help make them feel more comfortable in their own body
No one cares.
@@BillBarr4President Wrong - I Do & So Do Many Others!
That's So Lovely Of U. That's How Things Should Be - We Are All Equal, We Can Be Compassionate & Kind To Each Other. Like U Choose To Be;
@@BillBarr4PresidentI do!
thank you! love hearing that about a place in indiana
Trans people are PEOPLE.. just like everyone else. Stop discriminating against them and GET OVER IT. If you don't want to be trans, then don't. But stop hating on people who are just being themselves.
Exactly. It’s not complicated, if you don’t like something, don’t take part in it. But stop trying to prevent others from being part of it.
Not everyone sees things like you do.
Get over it.
If they weren't trying to bulldoze their way into other people's spaces, we would get over it. But we cannot have trans people joining women's sports when they have the muscle mass and bone density of a man. We can have 50-year-old men who decided to become female joining dance school even though they can't dance in the name of diversity and taking the place of brilliant female dancers. We can't have boys who are "finding themselves and yet to determine their gender" being allowed to use female bathrooms, locker rooms, and dorm rooms. We cannot allow men-turned-pseudo-women being allowed in female prisons. You want to be yourself, go ahead. But please don't insist that you want to be treated like a woman. Trans women ARE NOT WOMEN!!!
They're freaks
Thank you
It's stupid of her to refuse to serve people. Why not trans but she's ok with the rest of the alphabet? It's money out of her pocket. Hair is hair..... but truthfully if you're that nasty to customers... then I don't you doing my hair and I'm straight. Why is she worried about any person's sexuality?... Is she looking for dates? It's creepy. I wouldn't want her doing anyone in my family's hair either. SURE... it's her right to do lots of things... but our rights to exclude people do not come without responsibilities and consequences. Ifvit makes you look like a bigot... then you're going to lose business probably and it's the right of people not to patronize your shop.
She’s dumb, stylists talk and are friends with everyone. Word travels fast. I bet she’s out of business within a year
The supreme court ruling was a mistake in my opinion, but it's very narrow and doesn't cover this lady refusing to cut trans people's hair. Joy's example is a good one:
You can't refuse to cut Donald Trump's hair because you disagree with his views. That's illegal as there's no free speech involved in cutting Donald Trump's hair. If however Trump wanted you to write "The election was stolen." in his hair, you could refuse him, because you are engaging in a free speech activity at that point and the Supreme court has ruled it's legal if you disagree with the message he wants cut in his hair.
I’m cracking up about writing the election was stolen in his hair part 😂 I needed that laugh
Does this ruling also extend to Nazis? Can a nazi be compelled (if they're an artists) to conduct artistic work on behalf of BLM if they work in an artistic business? Because, if they are compelled, then this law really is just discrimination towards g*ys, if they aren't compelled either then it's more fair.
I would suggest both of your scenarios are legal. Businesses have the right to refuse service to anyone, but their reason for doing so cannot be based on their status as a federally protected class. Remember that a restaurant refused to let Obama hold a rally in his restaurant because the owner disagreed with Obama's statement 'that if you have a business, you didn't do that by yourself". The Obama campaign found another location. The same is legal for refusing to cut Trump's hair because you don't like him personally. it is only illegal if you refuse to cut all white males' hair. similarly, if a smelly black homeless person comes in for a cut, you can refuse him because he smells or looks bad. the client might think you are being racist but you can easily say that I cut black dudes' hair all the time...
@@lordoftheflies7024 i would just say that a Nazi web designer would be successfully sued for refusing to do a website for a bar mitzvah but not for refusing to design a website for a trans child documenting his/her transformation. Being Jewish is protected by federal anti-discrimination laws; being trans is not. Btw, I personally think that there is a difference in what is discrimination in that not believing in same-sex marriage and not liking gay people. Refusing to a business service all gay people is hate and should be illegal by federal law , not wanting to create an artistic expression that show that you agree with same sex marriage should be legal .
@@lordoftheflies7024 With Nazi artists, if they are creating a work of art that includes free speech advocating for Black lives Matter, the ruling allows that Nazi artist to refuse the BLM's request. The ruling does not allow a Nazi artist to refuse to make any art for BLM.
Now I think the ruling was an unwise one and also there was a lot of serious issues with the case in the first place including the plantiff didn't have standing. It is discrimination against gays but anyone can use the ruling. It's akin to the reason states can't secede from the US. The original reason was because of slavery. But since it was decided after the Civil War that the US is indivisible, no state has the option to secede anymore, the right is off the table, even for a more morally justifiable reason (like I don't know, a state opposes the illegal invasion of Iraq). A precedent has been set. Same with this court ruling, anyone can use the law even Nazis to not be compelled to say something they don't agree with regardless of the original reason the case was brought.
Whoopi’s looking really good these days!Love Alyssa’s dress too.
Today is my 10th wedding anniversary to my husband. We are gay. I was 19 when we met, and 21 when we got married. I sit here looking at him and feel the love we have for each other. Our marriage wasn’t recognized until 2015 when SCOTUS allowed it to be legal. The frustration we all feel from these unfortunate discriminatory recent rulings is real. One thing he and I know, is that our love is real, powerful and beautiful. 🔻
Lovely - Congrats On Your 10th! 💍💓🎉
🎉 Happy Anniversary!! ❣️❣️
Married one year here. We just celebrated our 1st anniversary. We dated for 5 years prior. And like you, we are in awe at how beautiful, legitimate, and strong our love is! Like you, we’re also frustrated about the legal setbacks we’re seeing recently to the progress that we were making before. But all in all, we’re grateful to be in a country where our relationship is legitimized, and hopeful that just as there were setbacks before marriage equality was legal that we overcame, so will our lgbtq+ community overcome any new setbacks and challenges that we face because we are resilient! Congratulations on your 10 years of marriage! ❤🏳️🌈
GOD ,our maker,Creator ,says that that lifestyle is an abomination and against nature. Read Romans 1.
@@southernbelle4916 how does someone else’s marriage directly affect yours?
Why would she refuse anyone? That's dumb, from a business sense. I don't care who you are or what you are, as long as you're paying me to provide a service for you, you're welcome to come to my establishment.
Right?!? But I think it should be a sign outside in big bold Letters. So people know she's bigoted so Cis gendered people that aren't transphobic can avoid using her too.
I also wonder if she’s going to ask everyone that comes through the door to prove they’re female/male.
I agree with Whoopi, you can decline (I think, in most cases) a client for a variety of reasons… But publicly behaving like the bigot, you are, should be a path to bankruptcy.
Exactly
That’s right, all money is green.
It's her business. Don't worry about how other people handle their business. You need to go get a job.
WHOOPI....THERE ARE SOME GAY PEOPLE WHO DON'T NEED TO SAY .....I'M GAY.... YOU ALREADY KNOW ....GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT....JUST MY OPINION....
What are u saying?
It’s not a “ fact “ like you wrote it’s “ just an opinion” .. you do not know factually unless that person tells you .
Love the positive outlook of Sara and how she wishes to seek out inclusiveness
Whoopie on fire. She has the conservative host looking in the sky for answers.
well it would be nice if they stopped interrupting her so she can get her point across.
@@jazziepha206She isn't making sense. So they should interrupt her.
@@tatriceshipp9139 how can she when she's consistently interrupted/talked over so she can't get her point across?
Whoopi needs to be taken off the show - she doesn’t understand intricacies of anything and makes statements that arent true
I actually understood Alyssa’s point overall, and think there is a discussion to be had there. The issue with this particular case in my mind is that the person had no standing to bring it in the first place because it was a made up couple. That’s the part Alyssa is missing with this particular case.
I didn't. Sunny's rebuttal of her point was spot on. Homophobes are not a protected class. Donald Trump, the example given by Joy, is not a protected class. Sexual orientation is.
@@Adam-nw1vy it’s a protected class in the workplace and in other areas. Not when it comes to private business. In reality, a private business has much leniency when it comes to who they can discriminate against. But this case should never have been heard.
@@tjbes I disagree. Both federal and many state laws explicitly say you can’t discriminate against customers based on factors such as race, religion, sex or national origin. A private business may be private, but if they serve the public, they’re not exempt from following the law. Again, the comparison between "discriminating" against homophobes and discriminating against LGBTQ people is a really bad one.
The examples Alyssa used were incorrect. She actually borrowed them from the briefs filed by the website designer. 🤦🏼♂️
Btw, has anyone mentioned that she's represented by ADF?
Their literal goal is GLOBAL criminalization of abortion and LGBT existence.
They're active in 100 countries and are racking up wins, mostly in Asia and South America right now.
"No standing" - LMAO - So I guess you think you're smarter than the Supreme Court?
Sunny was spot on. LGBT people need to be a protected class
We are, the Supreme Court just ignored their other rulings. Sexual orientation
Why???
Sunny is a lost soul calling herself a practicing catholic...oh but she supports gay marriage and gay rights. Make it make sense. I know they cant possibly be serving her communion
There shouldn't any protected class in a society. It's discrimination to use the law to tell some people you're more valuable than others due to_____.
@@EngineersQuest Why do you think they should not have equal protections?
Sunny gets it.
The only thing she gets is money for being an absolute idiot....
Please let Alyssa finish her points.
Please don't
@@kennonmoss7854So you just want all cult huh. Wow
@@user-qx9wv3xf6u you in cult trump boy
Yeah private owned companies can refuse service to anyone they want PERIOD!!
Whoopie you just proved the point of the supreme court ruling
Did Whoopi's rant make any sense? Her yelling and ranting is all over the place...........as usual.
The other day she started to rant/ comment about something that wasn't even brought up yet, didn't have any clue what she was talking about until a few minutes later Alyssa brought up to topic and I put two and two together
After this segment I still don't know how the ladies feel about this, flip flop numerous times here.
lol right. they're okay with telling someone no, but they are okay with it if it's Trump. very weird
I don't think any of them have actually thought through this
It's actually stupidly simple.
The cake example is the best.
If there are pre-made cakes on the shelf, the gayest person alive can walk in and buy it even if the owner is the most conservative person that ever existed. The owner can't say no
Once any sort of creative expression is involved, the cake maker can say "no" for any reason. You cannot force somebody to actively create something that goes against their values. That's a clear 1st Amendment violation
Donald Trump lives rent free in Joy's head.
Right
Wtf are you talking about?
Alyssa’s point is falling flat on this one - every business reserves the right to refuse service.
that was tgey said during Jim Crow.
It also falls flat because bigots are not a protected class.
That was some twisting and turning by Alyssa. Talk about ignorant. I guess that’s why she claims to be pro LGBT but thinks Mike Pence would be a great leader. Someone educate this woman.
Cannot completely deny service to a targeted group of people if you are offering a public service in a location where infrastructure is taxpayer funded. Right to refuse service generally must be based on unruly customer behavior, etc. Not their religion, sexual orientation, or political party.
@@hpflixthats were I agree with Alyssa. As far as sexuality, yes the supreme court got that part wrong but in a way, it can be used to stop others from doing service.
Alyssa you got to push back more seriously
She's weak
It's her first year. If she stays she'll get stronger. Sunny was nothing like she is today 5 years ago.
She's nothing but a doormat!!!!
They hired her to be a punching bag thats just a little better then McCain
She got the role so that they could step on her. After years of them being destroyed by McCain all by herself.
It maybe wrong but she can service who she wants. Just stand on it. Don’t come up with all these excuses. Just say I don’t want to🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
My only issue is that it needs to be clearly posted. I feel I have the right to walk into a business and assume under normal circumstances I will get service. If I find out later that I was wasting my time because the company didn't have clearly posted policies they should owe me compensation. They don't want to do that because then they would lose the straight allies money as well.
@@jojo2007ish Spot on
Let Alyssa talk please her point matters too
Whoopi’s intro was excellent. Hairdressers Refusing to service any group would most likely end up with them losing plenty of regular business who would be offended
When Whoopi tried to make her argument about Jewish people, she sounded ridiculous due to her past comments about the Holocaust.
So money is money right....then I guess you don't mind if Epstein went to a hair salon if he was alive right?😊
The alphabet people are less than 3% of the population I doubt the hairdresser really cares LOL!!!!
Keep the same energy as Twitter Private companies
Conservatives have made that argument for hundreds of years. Instead of trying to force someone to serve you who doesn’t want to, go somewhere else. That’s freedom and capitalism.
What happened to sunny's lips???
Sara is SPOT ON! THE LORD WILL DIVIDE THE SHEEP FROM THE GOATS, THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF.
Yes... what would change things... is if people just walked away from those places and people and went to where there is open receiving and respect for all people.
Great so are you saying it’s okay for white people to refuse service of black people because they are black? Or is that just okay because they are gay? Or what about people refusing to serve women because they are female? Is this law only wrong when it impacts you? Please stop the ignorance, it’s just so pathetic.
Hair salon woman make disgusting remarks with ZERO proof that any gay people ever came to her to get their hair done. She wanted her 15 minutes of hate speech to get attention.
Every business owner has the right to refuse service. Period.
What is up withSunny’s lips today?
In my opinion, I think that the woman who initiated the "Website" suit, wanted notarity for her business.
💯
The one that doesn't exist??? People are garbage.
I think when the panel wants to talk about LGBTQ+ issues they should probably have a guest panelist to keep them on track and educate, cause some of the comparisons and conflations they make on topics like this are a bit ignorant and problematic.
They are female, they emotional instead of rational, Whoopi knows everything about everything........LOL
The show is called the View, not the Professional View. It’s designed for entertainment purposes only.
OR have a lesbian on a panel that is supposed to represent ALL women.
@@jameswood88TRANS WOMEN ARE WOMEN!! Trans men are men !! FACT
I think what Whoopi is trying to say is; the website design is speech, doing someone’s hair is not speech. So how is this hairstylist using the ruling to justify her discrimination. Is hair design also speech now or is it a service?
whoopi’s logic to alyssa’s thought is completely backwards
it has to work both way
if a person could be forced to do a gay wedding wedsite
a gay person could be force to do an anti gay wedding wedsite
you can’t have it both ways
as usually whoopi is only seeing half the story
I think the issue that’s missing here is discrimination and promoting discrimination. You shouldn’t be able to discriminate or have to promote discrimination. In your example, the woman is discriminating against a group of people by refusing service simply based on who that person is, and not based on having to promote anything that is discriminatory nor denies anything other groups of people. But also, if a gay person (or any person) was asked to make a wedding website for a couple that involved the verbiage “anti-gay wedding” then that would be asking the person to create and promote active language of discrimination. But if a gay person was asked to just make a wedding website for a Christian couple that doesn’t include any discriminatory language or ideology, then that should be fine. If the gay couple was asking for a wedding site that discriminated against others, an “anti-Christian wedding” then sure. But a wedding website for 2 men doesn’t inherently discriminate against anyone, it doesn’t deny anything, it’s exclusionary to anyone. Just like a straight wedding website doesn’t inherently discriminate against anyone or is exclusive. The issue with not having to prove discrimination or promotion of as a reason for refusing service allows the opportunity to refuse service to anyone who you claim does not share your exact ideology. For instance, if your basis of service is fitting your personal view of religion (as this woman stated), this website designer could refuse anyone who does not share her specific set of ideology, period, even within sects of Christianity. For instance she could refuse to make a website for a Jewish wedding, and Catholic wedding (if she’s sat Babtist), a non-religious wedding, a wedding where someone has had premarital sex, a wedding involving a previously divorcee, a wedding where shellfish is served, the list goes on. It’s a slippery slope. That’s why having the basis of refusal line drawn on discrimination or promotion of discrimination makes sense and prevents it from becoming all encompassing. I hope that makes sense.
yes, that was the argument of the learned conservative members of the supreme court but, I'll admit that I don't have the education of these judges ...but ... as the dissenting members argued the difference is that sexual orientation is a protected class while being a bigot is not. So businesses can legally refuse you service for a bunch of random things i.e. not meeting a dress code, not having a certain G.P.A., not eating meat, not buying a Costco membership, even not agreeing with your political views - while controversial it would be perfectly legal for a business to say we only serve conservatives, Where the problem lies is when service is refused to a protected class -such as sexual orientation ... so gay bars can't say that straight folk are not allowed. I understand the Supreme Court judgment - they basically allotted more weight to the right of the "artist" (they considered the service provider more of an artist than a service provider) over the rights of the client. So Whoopi's argument is not inherently wrong (just a bit confusing) actually it is mostly correct. People on both sides I believe are confused by this ruling. I think that Alyssa is correct in saying that people on the left think this ruling is worse than it really is (at least as it currently stands) .... the biggest problem is the slippery slope demonstrated by the stylist who believes that she does not have to style a transgendered person's hair. She may in fact be correct ... then what's next? There are serious consequences to this ruling that we will see play out over the oncoming years.
Let Alyssa speak!!!
Vote with your dollar not the law, it works a lot faster
god sunny leave ur face alone.
Stop telling people what they can and can't do in their own privately owned business. If they don't want to serve those clients then they can. Take your business someplace else. It will either catch up to the salon owner or it won't.
So... we should just allow people to bring back the "no blacks, no Irish" signs??
This is what they were saying during the civil rights movement when whites did not want to service black people. Doesn’t sound ridiculous?
@@jthomasmack we already have laws protecting that
America got a problem. Humanity has fallen so far from how they ought to treat each other and it's sad. I am a black West indian and it saddens me that people are discriminated for just being who they are especially when you are just living your life not harming anyone.
When it comes to sexuality, the only thing i do not agree with is teaching sexuality to primary level children regardless to what type it is. Let children be and find themselves in their own time. They're too young to even understand the complexity of sexuality, even adults can't even answer themselves yet they see it fit to involve children and possibly corrupt or influence their young, impressionable mind.
Parents teach your kids to love self and others and be accepting to people who are different to you. Racism and prejudice are taught. You are not born that way. Parents, do a better job on what you instill in your kids who grow up to be the adults we everyday people have to face with.
I’d be afraid to do a trans persons hair. I had one that lived above me who was violent and completely insane. Also she was a big Donald Trump supporter, which was very bizarre, and scream profanities all night long off the balcony to the Guatemalans who lived downstairs. She was a bully and aggressive and made it quite unpleasant to want to come home. She would often attack me when I was coming in and carrying my groceries .
Any other trans people that I’ve come across in South Florida all seem really crazy and dangerous as well. I have never had this problem with gay men only with transgender. Maybe because trans women are just mean and nasty and hateful towards biological women?? Not sure what it is, but I’ve had the worst experiences with them. They are just so aggressive and nasty. 🐍
Whats wrong with Sunny’s upper lip ?
IDK but she needs to look into it.
Let's pause for a second and consider that this woman said- with her whole chest- that she will serve Lesbians, Gay Men, Bisexuals, and Queer folk, but no Trans folk..... Honey......
She won't serve Queer people, or anyone else under the "+" umbrella.
Because she believes they are "MAP" so anyone beyond GLB is basically a pedophile to her.
Whoopi everybody is entitled to their own opinions no need to yell and gets furious.
That's it!!! You're telling her real good!!!
LOL! everybody is entitled to turn off shows they don't like there you got some attention you clearly needed - you're welcome !
She knows that…she’s also entitled to hers and she can be passionate about an issue.
These women just argue for the sake of arguing.
As a private business you can refuse business to anyone. Ever heard of no shoes, no shirt no business? Has nothing to do with trans it’s your business.
Sunny's lip job is a disaster 😂
Her upper lip looks crazy! Omg
@@Lavendertea33 yikes
Sunny looks great in orange 🧡
I enjoyed Joy's comment about Trump.
She can't seem to get him off her mind
They didn’t insult or belittle the trans community, they simply said they won’t serve which is their right as business owners. Just go somewhere else where they’ll serve u, it’s that simple
Nobody was ever going to those people that are homophobic or transphobic businesses anyways... She has a business that will never prosper with what mindset
Thank you! Finally someone makes sense! They have a RIGHT to refuse service to anyone. It's a protected law and always have been. I'd just go somewhere else. Very simple.
As a Christian I understand but I worry about the slippery slope as far like you can discriminate against sexuality but then Will gender or race be next.
Exactly.
What's wrong with Sunny's upper lip today?
Collagen
Joy Behar would bring Donald Trump into a discussion that has absolutely nothing to do with him🙄🙄🙄🙄
And?
Unfortunately he lives in a lot of our heads rent free because he’s a terrorists
@@ingrid8994
Its called TDS sweetie
@@HossEehoss No, sunshine. Donald Trump packed the Supreme Court with three conservative judges. This is the after effect. So, STFU.
Soooo….
But Cancel Culture and de-platforming is not discrimination?
We reserves the right to refuse service to anyone
So I can refuse to serve you because your black??? Just no, please stop.
The dude who won "Miss Netherlands' confirms the patriarchy
The women are focusing on the wrong issue. The issue is about whether a STATE CAN FORCE a person to accept a client they don't wish to accept. The plaintiff challenged the state's law when it comes to private businesses. The Civil Rights act has to do with the government and it's actions to protect or discriminate. This is about a state telling a private business whether it can discriminate or not.
It's as if the State of New York told Joy - a salon owner- she HAD to cut Trump's hair because he is part of a protected class.
I wish they would interview Riley Gaines.
You have no right to be served
But it’s OK for two men running around Colorado looking for a religious baker to make their wedding cake and purposely looking for a religious baker now that religious baker has a right to refuse their order
I don't think it's a big deal. I would not want to give my business to someone that didn't want it. If anything, take your business to those that support you.
That’s the simple adult solution. Instead of trying to force someone to do business with you that doesn’t want to. 👍🏾
I understand that, but the problem is that this is just the start. I can see how they could use that to keep going backwards.
@@dileycacepeda9184 Did you say that for all the years that restaurants would refuse to serve Trump supporters?
We already tried that in the Jim Crow south when Blacks couldn’t even find a place to eat or sleep when traveling through because businesses refused to serve them
@@user-eh8yz6ko3t It’s 2023. Nobody cares about race except Democrats who just never stop bringing it up in every situation.
Did you all see the picture of this salon owner? Her hair is stuck in the really bad days of the 80's it looks horrible it looks fried. Based on her own hairstyle no one should go to her salon
That ‘wedding web’ designer woman, from the court case, should have been fined for wasting the courts (taxpayers?) Time and money.
She should’ve been charged with mischief, at the very least, and perhaps given community service… Maybe even within the community that she despises.
Bigotry is gross.
Exactly! And it mostly comes from Democrats. “Black people only vote Democrat. You can’t be a Republican and be black. We are inclusive of everyone EXCEPT those who do not think the same way we do”
Democrats are HYPOCRITES!
How is it a waste if she won? 🤦🏾♂️
The original case is a ‘waste’ because, it was a battle that didn’t need to be fought, over stuff, she made up in her head.
She fabricated a reason to stand up/out in public, and be rewarded for disparaging other people.
Why aren’t you outraged that she made a fool out of those who supported her, her legal team, AND the judicial process-
Do you guys have any penalties-at all-for the likes of people, who dial 911, maliciously(etc.)? Why is it such a stretch to understand that what she did was wrong?
@@kelleylegault5115 It’s not a waste. It has set a precedent. So any time this happens, the Supreme Court has already ruled on it so we don’t have to go through it. We know what everybody’s rights are. If it hadn’t been done now, it would’ve been done eventually so it’s not a waste of anything. It’s the purpose of the court to clarify our rights.
What was ACTUALLY a waste of time/money was the gay couple trying to sue the baker and trying to force him to bake them a custom cake instead of just going to another baker.
👨⚖️ ~ They did a TERRIBLE job explaining the situation. I’m watching this episode on Hulu right now to catch up on last weeks episodes. They skipped back-and-forth between the hair salon woman and the previous Supreme Court case multiple times, anybody who is not familiar with the situation probably walked away extremely confused.
And Whoopi, like she often has in the past, is extremely confident in her incorrect opinion. She saying people should not be allowed to discriminate but doesn’t actually know what the law is, and she saying they can discriminate by just lying and saying they’re booked up, etc.
Whoopi we know you support LGBT+ PEOPLE stop interrupting Alyssa
You REALLY think Whoopi is going to read and take your suggestion??? 🤣
Yet Alyssa says she supports the LGBTQ+ community but supports this ruling? Right....
Whoopi is an establishment hugging shill. Her support for you means the evil empire is on your side
I know right
Whoopi, can you be a better listener and not loudly, abruptly interrupt Alyssa?
she's allowed to do that because she's smarter than everyone else.
I'm lost and sad without my TANG uploads, fix this NOW!!!
Not letting Alyssa talk as usual
I hope nobody will go on that salon and I hope that salon get bankrupt and lose their business. Shame on them….
That's it curse them your father would be proud
Crowdfunding that her friend posted for her raised $295.
I'm torn because I'm gay and have been a wedding photographer for 12+ years. Many of the weddings I've been hired to photograph take place in very conservative churches, identical to the kind of church that traumatized me growing up, forced me to go to conversion therapy, and shunned me when conversion therapy didn't work. There have been times when I've had to hide panic attacks while on the clock because being in these environments is very triggering. Theoretically, this law says that I can now turn down conservative Evangelical clients, something that would otherwise be considered religious discrimination. Right?
If serving conservative Evangelicals is against your religious beliefs the Supreme Court says you can legally refuse service.
Oh god, please have a little more intelligence. You shouldn’t judge a person based on any from of discrimination, not just the ones you don’t like. If you had a conservative evangelical come to you and wanted to create an anti gay website, you would have the right to say no because it is discrimination. You don’t need this law, which has been created to allow religions to discriminate against anyone that like, because they are religious. This is the part that is wrong. Change the word gay to black, or gay to women and then see if it makes sense that people should be allowed to say no to someone based on their religion. Are you all so seriously brainwashed you can’t figure this out yourself?
Simple fix LGBT+ community stop making clothes, doing makeup, hair etc. for all these people. We know a lot of that won't go well. I know we want to stop discrimination but at some point we have to give them the same energy.
It's clear Whoopi is just not listening to Alyssa at all. I don't agree with the ruling but the distinction that Alyssa is making between the two cases is valid.
Can you guys let Alyssa finish her sentence please
The problem i see is people using their religious beliefs to discriminate
Whoopi be a better moderator. You shouting and interrupting. Just because you louder doesn’t make your point truer. Relax
Love me some Whoopi Goldberg but I'm so sick of her being constantly confused over these issues.
The problem is like Sunny has said, sexual orientation is not a federally protected class.
Simple capitalism. Go find someone who’s willing to do business with you instead of trying to force someone who isn’t.
People who don’t want to provide a personal service for bigoted and prejudice reasons is a persons right is the bottom line, and quite honestly I would rather know a person’s views before I do business with them anyways
Exactly
Honestly and save your precious energy
Alyssa I know you are trying your best but you need to stand up for your opinions and learn how to get your point across more better and not allow them to keep cutting you off and interrupting you. They didn't often do this to Meghan McCain when she was on the view.
🤣 Meghan complained like a brat she was always being cut off. And Alyssa went viral for attacking and cutting off Sunny. you're delusional
If my hair salon took that stance ... buh bye!
This is the viewpoint people had during the civil rights movement when white businesses did not want to serve black people. Do u understand how flawed this logic is?
Why don't you tell Sunny you can't say and do mean things
"Love. Don't judge. That day will come. It's not your job." Thank you Sarah for saying this! I want all of the haters that hide behind religious freedom and the bible to be told this over and over. Quote from Matthew 7 Gateway in the bible specifically tells them "Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?" And thank you Sonny n Whoop for being there to state what this really is and what needs to happen for our community to be a protected class. Permanently
Amen
We live in a society where people are apathetic to an issue until it starts to affect them personally. I refuse to live by such flawed logic.
OMG ALYSSA. STOP TALKING. 🤦🏼♂️
Don't ask and don't tell 👀
I don’t agree with this woman, but I do agree that we all have the right to free speech…and opinions…even it hurts my feelings…she’s not threatening anyone’s life…just let people be assholes…people need to stop caring so much what people think and believe…it’s exhausting…
Let people be assholes is the same as saying just let people racist, it has psychological traumatic impacts on people, it should NEVER be allowed.
By insisting people after the GLB are Pedophiles, she is indeed threatening people's lives.
@@mandoz353if someone being racist (which does NOT actually exist in the US) to someone else “triggers” them, then they do need professional help.
Whoopi is sounding extra confused today. LET. ALYSSA. TALK. She had it exactly right.
She isn’t confused the justice writing this piece is wrong.
@@step30dub She's making it sound like you can discriminate and say no because it's your business. Umm no you can't just say no (although now you can apparently). Gay people don't have to announce they're gay but might want a gay pride cake and now bakers or web designers can just say no.
No she wasn't confused! She was saying that if this can happen to Trans people it can happen to anyone!
Alyssa is wrong!
All of them got them got the crux of the case wrong. It was about speech (the making of the site) not discrimination (the right to refuse service based on identity).
Oh my gosh. Alyssa is explaining yet she is interrupted with… what is this case about? Give her a chance please. BTW. I ❤❤❤❤Whoopi
Every single thing she said was incorrect.
She's literally parroting the arguments Smith made in her brief.
This doesn't protect someone who doesn't want to design a dress for Melania. That doesn't even make any sense. 🤦🏼♂️
Alyssa is a joke. She agrees with the Supreme Court? How dare she be fine with discrimination of any form.
Imagine owning a business and first question to your customer is: What's your POLITICIAL PARTY? On that, make a decision to serve them or not due to your political ideology. What a waste of time on all these CULTURE WARS.
They are so wonderful look at them, PLEASE give me a break when they are at home, they talk so badly about people they don't like even each other. Good for the salon owner let's not forget the salon owner has rights too.
she can allow in her shop who she wants.
The girls here have no argumentation... zero
No, sexual orientation is not a choice, skin color is not a choice….there are certain things that like these that should not be discriminated against. This is discrimination. These things should be protected by the law.
@@adrian8green some salons do not cut men’s hair. Some barbers do not cut men’s hair.
@@BillBarr4President is that what we are talking about? No…we are not talking about an inability to do someone’s hair. We are talking about denying someone service because of discrimination
@@adrian8green so a salon should be forced to give a trans female a Brazilian wax (with their junk and all)?
@@BillBarr4President I know for a fact a trans person will be more selective on who goes near their private area. They wouldn’t expect a straight person to do that for them. They would 100 percent illicit the help of a queer or trans individual to do that because of familiarity, comfortability, and bigotry. Doing something like that is a 1000 times more intimate than getting a haircut. So this comparison doesn’t hold the value that u thought it did.
Also, if a person who had this business was doing both, female and male anatomy then it shouldn’t be a problem what gender the person is. The anatomy is all the same even if they are trans.
On top of that there is nothing wrong with telling the customer that you’ve never done that before and I don’t think you could be a prude if you are in this business. I’m sure they’ve seen it all.
The whole point of anti discrimination laws is that you *cant* say no on the basis of race or protected class
You arent guaranteed service...there is no "right to be served" 😂
Alyssa looks beautiful in that dress.
I respect the LGBTQ community, but I will say in the freedom of speech that there are certain rights that need to be protected. There are so many businesses that try to make it in the USA. If they have their own rules and even making assumptions on people they have the right too, I don't agree with it but this topic can go both ways. We can't all make everyone think like us, everyone does deserve acceptance not assumption. But in this world even there are glitches that we all may not agree upon, we all have a right to own own opinions and choices. The business ethics will still fall in line of who we want to do business with and not. Kinda like no clothes no shirt no service, where's the starting point and end?