To do it regularly with something like a large camper would cause excessive wear but it's great ability to have for short tows you may do a couple times a year and not need a bigger truck for.
Thank you god!! I’m not the only one that thinks these people are nuts. I’m a heavy haul truck driver by trade and let me tell ya, the stuff I see is nuts. And that includes 12,000 behind a half ton
@tedsmith1641 youll exceed the payload of the truck before ever getting near 12k. For an rv the tongue weight is about 10 to 15% of the overall weight. That's 1800 pounds
@@slitheringreptiles Had to rent Mini-ex and skid steers, only truck i had was my 3.5L f150, which has a rated capacity of 13k lbs towing. Skid steer on a 14k lb rated trailer, ia about 12-13k total weight.
The motor and transmission can tow 12k… it is scary as hell doing so. I pulled a 9k trailer with my 21 and the suspension couldn’t handle it, brakes struggled and faded on any longer hill and by the end, I couldn’t handle it 😂
People don't realize these modern half tons are basically the 3/4 tons from the pre 2000s. Look up tow ratings from a 90s f350, or how about a 70s f350. Shits laughable. Nobody back then would dream a pickup towing 30k lbs.
Yup thats what ive been trying to explain to people. I bought a 2018 f150 a few yrs back, and everybody thinks its like a 350. Because it basically is. When we were younger, the 350s could barely do what my truck can. Its also bigger than older 250s and 350s. Wouldnt be surprised if in a few yrs time, all trucks are the same. No 250, 350. Just engine options, and packages for gooseneck towing.
Even between the newer trucks. I have a 2018 F250 GCWR is 22,500 lbs. Also have a 23 F350 dually; GCWR is over 46k lbs. It’s insane what these newer trucks can pull.
It ain't about what it can pull, it's about what it can handle an stopping, I can pull 20k in a Toyota Tacoma if I wanted but you ain't stopping that shit if something happens at 50 mph. Half ton trucks don't need to be pulling that weight
@@VeryOddTimes they also have transmissions that are similar to what semis have. I think that might be why its so common for newer trucks to blow through several transmissions. Those 8-10 gears aint meant to be cycled through quickly. If someone cuts off a semi, the semi cant just slam the brakes and stop. Those gears get to go down properly. If someone cuts off an f150 with the 10r80, the 10r80 cries.
An F-150 has a very short bed suitable for hauling bags of mulch or a few suitcases to the airport. A 250 is a competent pickup for most people’s needs unless you really need to tow and then it’s the 350. IMO, the diesel only makes sense if you need it to make your living.
An F-150 MAY be ok for towing heavier loads in places like the plains in west Texas or gently rolling hills in Kansas. However, it’s a bad choice for towing in the mountains with steep grades and switch backs. Plus, higher altitude will rob a gas engine of the performance it gets at lower altitudes. These guys should rephrase what they’re saying. EDIT: The F250 and larger trucks have more mass thus making it easier to stop heavier loads. This is very important and these guys should include that in their video.
Go head and hook up that 12k behind a 1/2 ton and let me know how that works out for you. Will it pull it sure but not safely. Typical salesman that has no clue.
It's marketing and largely depends on the configuration to achieve that. Your common 3.5L crew cab with 5.5' box isn't the configuration that can do that. But there is a configuration capable. That being said, just because you can doesn't mean you should. It's fine a time or two per year but if you're regularly hauling more than say 5-7k lbs you should really have a larger truck.
Yea no, the “running gear” between srw f250 and f350 is the same except the leaf springs (max tow package f250 gets 350 springs) step up to a daily and you get a bigger rear axle and different leafs again. The difference between the f250 and f350 srw is the payload sticker.
Saying it has no business with specific trailers is stupid as you don't necessarily have bigger trailers just for weight as I have a 12' dual axle trailer to haul my sub compact tractor mostly just due to length 12k is stupid though as I wouldn't want to push more then mabye 6k
Whenever I go hunting, i always pull 10,000lbs of deer back, and need my F150. I cant go hunting without its versatility. When i go hunting for cattle and horses i use my F250 with its HD running gear.
My cousin just bought a 150 limited 2023. Payload sticker innthe door jam says 1300ish. His dealer told him it can tow 12000, with him in it hes over payload with 10% tongue weight at 12000 pounds. Marketing mumbo jumbo.
Easiest way to spot someone full of BS is when they use the terms half-ton, three quarter ton etc. as if they mean anything. They mean nothing anymore. Or, about as quantifiable as small/medium/large when talking about pickup trucks. But trying to convince some people of that is like trying to convince them it's wrong to sleep with their first cousins.
F150 very versatile graded destroying transmissions under 40,000 F250 mostly used for contractors, graded head failures, and timing chain issues 350 is going to most likely be a turbo diesel and should be used, mainly for towing or hauling
Towing 12000 pounds is definitely not an "average" person thing. Most people will never tow anything more than 3000 pounds... which a Subaru Outback can do for about 40 thousand dollars less. But that's labeled a "fruity" car... whatever
It’s cute when the salespeople pretend to know more than the consumer. Before anyone says anything, I was a car salesman that prided myself on knowing every little spec before relaying it to the customer. If I didn’t know the answer, I’d be honest, “I won’t lie, I’m not sure of the exact wheelbase off the top of my head, let’s go check.”
@@jacobloewen2691 boy i refinanced cars for the three years during covid i saw over 1000 loans almost all the trucks were over 150 percent negative loan to value just in case u don’t know what that is it means the truck is worth 40 k on kbb and nada and the dealer sold it for 60k 😂😂😂 bro educate yourself before commenting 😂😂
You can still get a basic f150 with v8 and 4x4 for under 40k an average guy can work on. The prices are up because of new tech, emissions, and safety requirements. A vote for less government and less epa is the solution.
I haul wit a 06 chevy 2500HD 6.0 4l80e.. 270.000 miles and a 1 ton leaf package.. let me tell u im constantly 14.000lbs total which means 8000 of trailer it aint no f150 in the world making the trip 2 times with 12 000 lbs
All these comments... Are you guys all 95? Back in your day you hauled the school house with your 7.3 f250 up hill both ways in the snow? You've all put 4.5 million miles on your powerstoke? Mad about all these young wipper snappers driving too fast pulling trailers while you can't even get out of your own cloud of smoke? I loved my 7.3, even loved my v10 but neither will tow 12k as good as that Ecoboost.
They all have the same thing in common though. They'll all be in the shop within a month of owning it. TOO MANY RECALLS! Let's stop focusing on quantity produced, and start focusing on the quality produced.
"If you're just some random dickhead that never plans on pulling anything, but just needs to drive yourself around town you're gonna want to jump up to a 250 or 350."
The ford F150/250/350 series is similar to Chevy/Gmc/Dodge’s 1500/2500/3500 1500=half ton sig lugs 2500=3/4 ton 8 lugs 3500= 1 ton 8lugs there’s also things called “HD” and “superduty” all different packages you get get for the trucks also don’t tow 12k pounds with a half ton you can tow with a half ton but heavy towing wears down the truck more on a half ton and stopping is a lot harder
@grapecraftfactions7675 only f650+ use cummins. Huge massive trucks for 16ft box beds and stuff, and towing 18 wheelers. Everything from f250-f650 uses 6.7L powerstroke, only time I've seen a cummins was on an f750 but I think its an option on f650 as well. source: I work on em
All these guys saying they have ton can't pull 12,000 lb are probably really young, we've been pulling 13,000 lb campers with our Nissan's back in the '90s
What year are you living in? The 90s or early 2000s? Yeah those trucks couldn't haul. You take a 3500 from the early 2000s vs a 3500 in 2024 and that 2024 will tow multiple of those old trucks where the old one will haul 1 and very slow
Towing 12'000 lbs. with a half ton is a terrible idea
Said the same thing until I pulled 11,000 with one and It didn’t struggle whatsoever. Braked fine pulled fine.
To do it regularly with something like a large camper would cause excessive wear but it's great ability to have for short tows you may do a couple times a year and not need a bigger truck for.
I've done it with a Ford ranger lol moving isn't the problem, stopping it🤣
@@jonpate4640exactly 😂😂 hauled 8000 with my Colorado and it pulled it like nothing.
Stopping was a little different!
Thank you god!! I’m not the only one that thinks these people are nuts. I’m a heavy haul truck driver by trade and let me tell ya, the stuff I see is nuts. And that includes 12,000 behind a half ton
What a salesman answer that's terrible. Never causally suggest you can pull anything near 12,000 lbs with a F150
It's very much one of those things that you can do you just shouldnt
just bc you can, doesn't mean you should, like kissing that hot cousin
😂😂😂 @@cavenderautogroup210
@@cavenderautogroup210bro is this supposed to be relatable 😭
Hahaha @@cavenderautogroup210
as a f150 owner, and a huge ford guy, you arent pulling 12k pounds
The towing capacity of a 2024 is 13.5k lbs (with the 3.5L at least)
@tedsmith1641 youll exceed the payload of the truck before ever getting near 12k. For an rv the tongue weight is about 10 to 15% of the overall weight. That's 1800 pounds
@@slitheringreptiles that payload for a 2024 F-150 is 2445 lbs according to Ford
@@tedsmith1641 no shit. That's pretty impressive. I wasnt aware
@@slitheringreptiles Had to rent Mini-ex and skid steers, only truck i had was my 3.5L f150, which has a rated capacity of 13k lbs towing. Skid steer on a 14k lb rated trailer, ia about 12-13k total weight.
“Heavier duty running gear” 🥴🥴
I love salesmen. They have no idea what they're talking about just reciting a brochure. Sleez balls
Sell me a F350 over the 150 and 250… GO
You just haven’t met a good one yet
@@alexanderschooler579😂
yes. salesman are not there to feed you real world knowledge and sense
ones a half-ton, one’s a 3/4 ton, and one’s a 1 ton
That's 1980s ratings. F150s are 1 ton 250 up to 1.5 ton and 350 1.5-3 ton. That old rating was based on payload.
@@Metal_Stackingtry 1960s ratings the Ranger/Couier/B series was 1/2 ton in the 80s-90s.
Never take truck advice with a man wearing those socks
😆😆😆
But you pee sitting down, so idk if we should be listening to you either
Towed 9k rolloff trailer with 4k box and 2-9k in box daily for years with 7.3 f450. Got 370000 miles on it before rebuild.
It’s great if your a lawyer that needs to pick up a big screen from Best Buy.
If you can't afford a f250, you buy the f150. If you can't afford a f350, you buy a f250. If you can afford a f350...buy it.
Terrible advice 😂
Wrong buy f450
12k with a halfton is a deathwish
The motor and transmission can tow 12k… it is scary as hell doing so. I pulled a 9k trailer with my 21 and the suspension couldn’t handle it, brakes struggled and faded on any longer hill and by the end, I couldn’t handle it 😂
People don't realize these modern half tons are basically the 3/4 tons from the pre 2000s. Look up tow ratings from a 90s f350, or how about a 70s f350. Shits laughable. Nobody back then would dream a pickup towing 30k lbs.
Yup thats what ive been trying to explain to people. I bought a 2018 f150 a few yrs back, and everybody thinks its like a 350. Because it basically is. When we were younger, the 350s could barely do what my truck can. Its also bigger than older 250s and 350s.
Wouldnt be surprised if in a few yrs time, all trucks are the same. No 250, 350. Just engine options, and packages for gooseneck towing.
Even between the newer trucks.
I have a 2018 F250 GCWR is 22,500 lbs.
Also have a 23 F350 dually; GCWR is over 46k lbs.
It’s insane what these newer trucks can pull.
It's insane what it costs to fix them @@VeryOddTimes
It ain't about what it can pull, it's about what it can handle an stopping, I can pull 20k in a Toyota Tacoma if I wanted but you ain't stopping that shit if something happens at 50 mph. Half ton trucks don't need to be pulling that weight
@@VeryOddTimes they also have transmissions that are similar to what semis have. I think that might be why its so common for newer trucks to blow through several transmissions. Those 8-10 gears aint meant to be cycled through quickly. If someone cuts off a semi, the semi cant just slam the brakes and stop. Those gears get to go down properly. If someone cuts off an f150 with the 10r80, the 10r80 cries.
Average person can’t even afford one 😂
Average person is Lazy and sits around waiting for the next government program
350 usually has a different gear ratio heavy spring rate added rear lead and overload
Awe i pulled 10klbs with my f150 and was going 45 mph in the slow lane trying to keep the truck on the road. Never again
My expy pulls 10k no problem so that sounds like an issue on your end
@@spirtjunkie3996 what year and spec f-150?
An F-150 has a very short bed suitable for hauling bags of mulch or a few suitcases to the airport. A 250 is a competent pickup for most people’s needs unless you really need to tow and then it’s the 350. IMO, the diesel only makes sense if you need it to make your living.
that's a fair take
An F-150 MAY be ok for towing heavier loads in places like the plains in west Texas or gently rolling hills in Kansas. However, it’s a bad choice for towing in the mountains with steep grades and switch backs. Plus, higher altitude will rob a gas engine of the performance it gets at lower altitudes. These guys should rephrase what they’re saying.
EDIT: The F250 and larger trucks have more mass thus making it easier to stop heavier loads. This is very important and these guys should include that in their video.
that's a fair point!
@@cavenderautogroup210 Thank you.
Go head and hook up that 12k behind a 1/2 ton and let me know how that works out for you. Will it pull it sure but not safely. Typical salesman that has no clue.
F150 is a half ton, F250 is a 3/4 ton and F350, a 1 ton. There, that’s the difference.
I'll agree the f-150 can town better than most half tons, but 12k would be a miserable tow in any half ton.
It's marketing and largely depends on the configuration to achieve that. Your common 3.5L crew cab with 5.5' box isn't the configuration that can do that. But there is a configuration capable.
That being said, just because you can doesn't mean you should. It's fine a time or two per year but if you're regularly hauling more than say 5-7k lbs you should really have a larger truck.
Yea no, the “running gear” between srw f250 and f350 is the same except the leaf springs (max tow package f250 gets 350 springs) step up to a daily and you get a bigger rear axle and different leafs again. The difference between the f250 and f350 srw is the payload sticker.
F150s have no business pulling anything more then a single axle trailer
Saying it has no business with specific trailers is stupid as you don't necessarily have bigger trailers just for weight as I have a 12' dual axle trailer to haul my sub compact tractor mostly just due to length
12k is stupid though as I wouldn't want to push more then mabye 6k
What ?
So what about an f450? I’ve heard of those going up to a 650
That's insane, with your logic a 7x14 lawn trailer is too much
Go tell U-Haul so they can update their system so that me and others can't rent their car trailer.
You can tell neither of them never towed anything heavier than a portable toilet with their mom's Prius
hey now im just the guy askin the questions lol what should I ask him next?
Ask him how often he gets made fun of for not having a clue what he’s talking about
@@Asshatter will do lol
Whenever I go hunting, i always pull 10,000lbs of deer back, and need my F150. I cant go hunting without its versatility. When i go hunting for cattle and horses i use my F250 with its HD running gear.
the ultimate hunter
My cousin just bought a 150 limited 2023. Payload sticker innthe door jam says 1300ish. His dealer told him it can tow 12000, with him in it hes over payload with 10% tongue weight at 12000 pounds. Marketing mumbo jumbo.
70k dollars VS 90k dollars VS 110k dollars is what I heard.
a business man 🤝
Lmao f150 not pulling 12k kid
My 2015 expy pulls 10k on the regular with no issues so I don’t see why a new f150 with leafs shouldn’t be able to.
Pulled 13k with mine this week😂
You have no idea what you’re talking about and that’s ok
Pulled 14k with my 2020 2.7l ecoboost f150 april of 2023
Newer ones can pull like 13-14k
Just because you can pull it, doesn't mean you can stop it.
That's a lot of weight without an egine/exhaust break
GREAT point
Solid rear axle is the only difference between the 250 and 350. I hope that clears up his answer for some of you.
Explain a solid axle please.....😂😂😂
Easiest way to spot someone full of BS is when they use the terms half-ton, three quarter ton etc. as if they mean anything. They mean nothing anymore. Or, about as quantifiable as small/medium/large when talking about pickup trucks. But trying to convince some people of that is like trying to convince them it's wrong to sleep with their first cousins.
hey fair points!
F150 very versatile graded destroying transmissions under 40,000 F250 mostly used for contractors, graded head failures, and timing chain issues 350 is going to most likely be a turbo diesel and should be used, mainly for towing or hauling
Bring back the HDPP pack for the f150, those are the ones rated for a true 12,000lbs. You can’t tow 12,000 lbs with 1200lbs of payload 😂
What they all have in common is: they'll all leave you dead on the side of the road.
for real?!?!
Towing 12000 pounds is definitely not an "average" person thing. Most people will never tow anything more than 3000 pounds... which a Subaru Outback can do for about 40 thousand dollars less. But that's labeled a "fruity" car... whatever
idk ab hauling 12k with a f150 but shit u toss me a reg cab short bed with that 5.0 i’ll haul some ass im tellin you 😂
It’s cute when the salespeople pretend to know more than the consumer. Before anyone says anything, I was a car salesman that prided myself on knowing every little spec before relaying it to the customer. If I didn’t know the answer, I’d be honest, “I won’t lie, I’m not sure of the exact wheelbase off the top of my head, let’s go check.”
that's why i'm asking them from a consumer standpoint. I want to show authenticity - im right there w you!
What camper is this guy pulling with a 150?
Travel trailers… Not every camper is a 40 ft toy hauler
lol ford is trying to sell their trucks for over 60k 😂😂😂 and those are the cheap ones ford is going to go the way of the dinosaur 😂
Every pickup is insanely priced right now…doesn’t matter which brand
You are so wrong
@@jacobloewen2691 boy i refinanced cars for the three years during covid i saw over 1000 loans almost all the trucks were over 150 percent negative loan to value just in case u don’t know what that is it means the truck is worth 40 k on kbb and nada and the dealer sold it for 60k 😂😂😂 bro educate yourself before commenting 😂😂
I mean sure, but dodge isn’t any cheaper lol.
F150 great for light loads 5 cases beer 3 dirt bikes.
Basically, it's just the price. Show me a new truck that isn't an overpriced piece of crap that can actually be worked on.
You can still get a basic f150 with v8 and 4x4 for under 40k an average guy can work on. The prices are up because of new tech, emissions, and safety requirements. A vote for less government and less epa is the solution.
@@dawildcatz87 bingo, you hit the nail squarely on the head
Wow! Check out this half ton sporty short box
Go for the 450 to the 650.
I haul wit a 06 chevy 2500HD 6.0 4l80e.. 270.000 miles and a 1 ton leaf package.. let me tell u im constantly 14.000lbs total which means 8000 of trailer it aint no f150 in the world making the trip 2 times with 12 000 lbs
All these comments... Are you guys all 95? Back in your day you hauled the school house with your 7.3 f250 up hill both ways in the snow? You've all put 4.5 million miles on your powerstoke? Mad about all these young wipper snappers driving too fast pulling trailers while you can't even get out of your own cloud of smoke? I loved my 7.3, even loved my v10 but neither will tow 12k as good as that Ecoboost.
You're just entitled because you didn't have to walk to school uphill both ways while it was raining and snowing.
@@JerryPonds well that's true. Closest thing we had to a hill was the silage pile. And I didn't know what snow was so yeah, I guess you're right.
@@gr8handogoatness lol
Ecoboost with a 10 speed , towing anything will be a new 10 speed at 60k. 😂😂😂😂
The difference is $75,000.00
They all have the same thing in common though. They'll all be in the shop within a month of owning it. TOO MANY RECALLS! Let's stop focusing on quantity produced, and start focusing on the quality produced.
what should we review for you?
F150 wheñ you occasionally tow.
Towing should also include stopping, so ya better look at an f450.
So you’re saying get the 2500HD Duramax.👍
Just go to the F550. Tow anything.
"If you're just some random dickhead that never plans on pulling anything, but just needs to drive yourself around town you're gonna want to jump up to a 250 or 350."
lolol
The ford F150/250/350 series is similar to Chevy/Gmc/Dodge’s 1500/2500/3500 1500=half ton sig lugs 2500=3/4 ton 8 lugs 3500= 1 ton 8lugs there’s also things called “HD” and “superduty” all different packages you get get for the trucks also don’t tow 12k pounds with a half ton you can tow with a half ton but heavy towing wears down the truck more on a half ton and stopping is a lot harder
All these moms out here lugging 15,000+ pounds of groceries.
dads pullin the brisket
I always go camping and hunting with 12k
Don’t forget about the elusive F50 and the F5
F-T1000 too
Thought this was gonna be a dad joke
dang it couldve been. i'll sprinkle in dad jokes when i ask them questions from now on
My understanding is, the higher the number the smaller your PP.
Jokes aside, I love big trucks!
we love big trucks too!
The front axle 😂
what brand should we review for you?
This guy has never towed anything in his life. Good luck towing 12K LBS with that F150. 😂
i'll ask him if he has next time lol
This is the dumbest conversation about the least reliable modern truck I've ever heard
what should i ask him next? lol
wow got me sold 😫😫😫
Anybody who wears a navy suit with brown shoes and socks that don’t match is not to be trusted 😂😂😂
Yup. That's a salesman.
yeah i've been interviewing them for the channel, but i'm not one - what would you like me to ask / feature on this channel?
If you're pumping 12000 you better have a F250/2500 HD with a diesel
Hahah shop must be need business if he’s telling people they should be towing 12000lbs with an f150
Yes a F150 can pull 12k, but not for long. Pulling its own weight will break the transmission. Ford is junk.
10 speed is a bicycle from schwinn
He did not answer the question 😂
What about gas vs diesel?!?!
sounds like we need round 2 of this video...lol
No no no.
96% of TRUCKS will spend their live being driven around EMPTY
They arent typically bought for purpose or utility.
fair point! so what's your favorite truck?
Yeah…. My half ton Silverado is only rated for 9800lbs. 12,000 is gonna kill that thing 🤣🤣
fair point
The average person can’t afford any of these trucks..
The average person lives paycheck to paycheck 😂
i can barely afford eggs lol
Gimme the 550!
If your a average person who can spend 100k on a truck
Most people only use a truck for show tho
100 each. That’s the difference
12,000 lmao no way!!!!
One word: payload
inside is redone too, just didn't get good enough shots of it
250/ 350, not a lot of difference until the 450+
Dually option is a big difference from f250
Ummmm, yeah no.
More like 8k max, with heavy duty brake.
want me to ask him again?
None of them are good for anything if all they do is break down and live at the shop.
thanks a lot biden, aimirite
One word price
Anyone can read the stickers...
Uhhh. Lets akso talk frane constructio.
What’s crazy is some white guy will buy a f250 and never tow a damn thing
12000 including the truck u r pulling with
it'll pull a lot of brisket
Pretty sure it’s just inversely related to penis size.
F150s can barely handle 5000
😂😂😂😂😂😂 dude knows nothing… lots of words said nothing of substance
He has no clue what the differences are….
sounds like we need round 2 of this video...lol
All city boy vehicles I agree with the guy that said there all junk
which truck should we review for you (any brand)?
Every foot tap is a lie 😉
Found
On
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Deserted
LOL
Nice socks
Wouldn’t be caught dead towing 8k with an f150
I tow 10k regularly with a expy so an f150 should handle it pretty easily
Tow rating
Difference is that f250 and 350 use diesel cummins
No they use powerstroke diesel engines.
@@dawildcatz87 some use cummins
@grapecraftfactions7675
only f650+ use cummins. Huge massive trucks for 16ft box beds and stuff, and towing 18 wheelers. Everything from f250-f650 uses 6.7L powerstroke, only time I've seen a cummins was on an f750 but I think its an option on f650 as well.
source: I work on em
Not true. There are gasser f250 and f350s
@@Stackali they used to use Cummins
Difference is size of ego😂
All these guys saying they have ton can't pull 12,000 lb are probably really young, we've been pulling 13,000 lb campers with our Nissan's back in the '90s
😂 sure. Let's see the tares
@@nicholasr7987 you're not making sense
Trx takes them all
And a raptor takes the trx
@@no_name5005 there are 100s of videos online that humbly say otherwise
You have no idea what you're talking about. This is about load capacity, not about speed.
No😂
Not in competition with these trucks smooth brain
so bro don't know lol
Wassup with the shift knob 🤮
A 1/2 ton truck is essentially a car. If you even think you might do truck things, buy a 3/4 ton.
What year are you living in? The 90s or early 2000s? Yeah those trucks couldn't haul. You take a 3500 from the early 2000s vs a 3500 in 2024 and that 2024 will tow multiple of those old trucks where the old one will haul 1 and very slow