We Need To Talk About This One Piece Problem
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My wife thinks i have a fictional pirate problem and now she has a divorce problem
Lol
Based 🤣
Hell yeah brother
You* have a divorce problem😂
If only she waited 10 minutes.
I think countdowns work better when you aren’t reading week to week
lol to be fair it’s kinda nice having an idea of when an arc is going to come to an end, rather than being like “when is it going too end” though I get it.
It would be ok ish also if there were no breaks. But since Oda needs, and it's fair for him to need them, he could as well stop stalling
Agreed. Wano was painful to read weekly at the end.
But rereading it was an awesome experience
@@davepumphernickel9568this wouldn’t be such a problem if every arc didn’t take 5 years
@@davepumphernickel9568 We still have no idea when egghead will end. It might end in 2025 for all we know
It's not even like One Piece is the originator of the countdown trope, either. I'm sure everyone remembers "five minutes until Namek explodes."
Or the time they had left to make their wishes to the namek dragon before Vegeta and, worse, Frieza arrive (though the timer was mostly for us on the latter, Krillin and Gohan had no clue Frieza was heading over)
You know that, at least in the anime, Freiza explains midway through the fight why the planet is taking longer than 5 minutes. That's such a misrepresented example...
@@reaperreaper3071you sure that wasn't a dub addition?
@@reaperreaper3071 Care to share that reason bc I've never heard it. I think you're just making that up. Also, did you even watch the video? It was just talking about timers, to which this comment mentions another, very famous timer, and you say they're misrepresenting it? How are they misrepresenting it? Is it not a timer?
Or the training room where they can spend a year in just 24 hours, while Cell and androids goes nuts on the Z crew.
How Liam described how Oda creates tension in One Piece reminded me of something Alfred Hitchcock, the Master of Suspense, said when it came to how he creates suspense. Picture this: four people are sitting around a table, when suddenly a bomb goes off and blows everyone to bits. What’s the emotion here? A few seconds of shock. Now take that same scene and instead tell the audience that there’s a bomb under the table that will go off in 5 minutes. Suddenly, the whole emotion behind this scenario is different because you’ve given the audience that information.
The reason why Oda keeps using the countdown trope is because he recognizes what Hitchcock meant when he describing how to create suspense. Sure, it can be tedious when it’s overused, like any trope that winds up becoming cliche, but I don’t think Oda would keep using it if it didn’t keep working every time he employs it.
Well said. So often I see people blindly complain about tropes simply seemingly for the sake of them being, well, tropes. But they rarely explain with any objective reasoning why trope X is bad. Like, if they dislike the trope, that's fine, everyone has different tastes. But to act like its an objective problem and act like everyone who is defending it is just being an insufferable fanboy is disingenuous, short sighted, and overly aggressive. This is prolly not fair to say because I know nothing about that guy outside of the clip Liam showed here, but my first impressions of him are
-He intently dislikes people who disagree with him, even if the disagreement is respectful and of subjective subject matter. He holds his own opinions in very high regard.
-He's basically the same but opposite of the group he's allegedly so tired of and seems just as toxic as the fanboys that he believes to be blindly defending OP from any and all criticism. And I'm not arguing those people don't exist. they do. And they are a problem. No manga is truly perfect. The difference between a 10/10 and a 9/10 is that you love the 10/10 so much that the flaws it has don't matter to you. His target of anger exists. He just doesn't seem to be any better, but in a different way.
I think Liams wall analogy was pretty perfect. Yeah, Oda certainly built this house with a lot of walls...so whats your problem with the walls exactly? Putting fresh paint on the wall doesn't make it a new wall...but what was so bad about the old wall that it needs to not exist/be rebuilt? These guys hate walls, can't explain why walls are bad, and then proceed to give no alternatives to the wall.
@@shino4242 I’m familiar with RogersBase, he’s actually a pretty fun guy, which is why I was pretty shocked by such an extreme reaction from him regarding this trope. I’m not surprised that anyone would assume the worst about him from that one clip alone, he DOES tend to go overboard with his opinions sometimes.
@@matthewbankey5547 Agreed RogersBase is a great one piece youtuber but his comment make me realise that the trope is a thing in one piece (I didnt really pay attention to it until now) I was mad but not because of the timer thing, but because I really wanted to know the secrets and instead was given a timer to let the people "prepare" but I kinda like the spin on the trope that now the villians are the ones on the clock, and that actually made me change my view on the chapter completely.
I just hope Oda will live long enough for us to get the ending. RIP Toriyama
Well remember Oda read Toriyama work when he was younger so I don’t think he’ll be passing away also R.I.P the goat Toriyama
Dragon ball ended at super with gokus UI form,toriyamas death made me think about oda's health hoping we get op ending
@@Mysteriousinternetgoober DBZ ended with cell and margin boo , thats when i stopped watching
Op ending in 5 years or so ppl say but where in the final saga
@@MysteriousinternetgooberJames Dean died at 27. Age doesn't matter
What pisses me off about the Rogersbase thing is how he behaves like his opinion is objectively correct, while everyone who opposes it is just a mindless fanboy. The OP community is awful because some people don't agree with him. What the hell was going on in his head during that live?
I haven't watched anything for Rogersbase in a long time. The very reason I stopped is because it seemed to me he's getting full of himself.
He sounds so fed up with One Piece, it’s honestly sad to watch.
@@mullz.m I have often peeked at his chapter reactions, just because I like reaction content and One Piece, but I always felt like his reactions feel the least genuine and it's weird that he got so angry about this minor thing. But maybe it was just an off day for him idk
@@helium3137 personally I think One Piece is better than ever. A new peak for arguably the greatest manga ever drawn. So him getting fed up of One Piece seems like a personal issue.
I dont know who that guy is and he felt really upset and ragefull like in that clip, which is really a good looking way to talk and is not someone I'd like to follow. That said I can't help but to agree with most of what he is saying om this specific clip.
I think a lot of people notice certain writing patterns and think it's bad because it repeats itself. In reality, it just helps a story maintain its structure.
turns out, real life repeats itself too
I would also add another point for the Countdown: It gives side-characters time to shine.
Without the countdown, there isn't much of a reason, why the strongest, fastest or most competent character, simply solves all issues. They would have the time. But with the countdown you get around it, since "Superman" can't be everywhere at once.
Dragon Ball (RIP Toriyama) had the issue, where there was rarely a countdown and therefore anything for the side character to do. They could only stale and "Wait for Goku", which had them look weak and useless in return. A coundown and a doomday device gives side-characters the ability to tribute and look competent in doing so. Either be buying time or help disabling the Doomsday device before time runs out. Every small amount of time is a win.
that's a unique point of view
Such as Sanji baking the cake and Momo landing Onigashima
Yeah great pov
Putting all of the count down scenarios in One piece into one video makes me think of how neat it is that for once, it’s not so much Luffy and the boys on a timer, but the enemy and that is a neat twist.
Actually, I gotta give it you - I love that point of view! Still totally get why people are annoyed and tired of it. But this perspective adds to it quite a bit, for me!!
I think that’s precisely why it’s so frustrating though.
Like, with most countdowns, we’re trying to avoid the thing that’s gonna happen. So we are actively dreading the time passing. But this time, we WANT TO HEAR VEGAPUNK’S MESSAGE.
It’s the difference between a tense countdown timer to when a building blows up versus an unskippable ad before the video you actually want to watch.
Hey, you want a big exciting lore drop? WELL TOO BAD, WAIT AN INDETERMINATE NUMBER OF WEEKS.
@@cartoonishidealism582 I totally understand that take, totally makes sense to me. For whatever reason though, it's not bothering me, and the role-switch feels fun! Respect your opinion, have a nice day :)
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@@cartoonishidealism582 lol I Totally get that, man when I was watching bleach weekly a filler arc would hit me in the face, and I Never Knew When it was going too end, and that’s annoying. Though One piece you kinda get some kinda of Idea of when it’s going to end, and it’s very gimmicky at this point but done very well by letting every reader know “hey this ( ) is the count down” and I do want too hear Vega Punks message just for lore cause it’ll fill in a few blanks for the info we already know, but I also can’t wait for the escape either and get too Elbaf with probably 2+ crew members and one permanent cause it’s not so much a fight too save an island either, it’s literally a grab everyone and go mission which is also kinda different though I admit we are getting every count down in existence in this one series. Ps I love this show very much after blatantly ripping in it, then binge watching the entire show up to the point I quit weekly, and loving it.
I think one of the things that people really mess up when complaining about "common tropes" is that something being a trope is not necessarily a bad thing. It's more about how well those tropes are executed.
This. Same with "plot device" and "retcon". Somehow people think those things are bad things by default which can not be further from the truth.
Said it perfectly
When it's done repeatedly for 1000+ chapters every week the trope gets old and boring pretty quickly. Find a different trope to mix in
@@poisonpotato1I can't imagine a conflict, irl or in fictional pirate land, that doesn't involve some sort of time limit. It's entwined with the concept of conflict. A fight is a race against time, to last longer than your opponent.
yet you still read @@poisonpotato1
I also believe the countdown gives the other characters something to do instead of just standing around watching the fight. Like when the crew had to stop the bomb with Vivi. They would have had nothing to do otherwise.
Rogers Base talking about the toxicity of the One Piece fanbase while participating in said toxicity is so ironic to me. Man stumbles into one story trope he dislikes and immediately ignores all the great of the arc and acts like people who are enjoying it are defending mediocrity. I’m pretty sure he was also hyping this arc with everyone else, and now he’s acting like some debate bro about it.
Yes. It's almost like some youtubers can't accept that other fans can like stuff they dislike. We are not sucking Oda because we just like something in the story you did not and then Fanbase toxic, WOW.
the dude fell off bad with his one piece takes the past few years. He literally mocked his viewers in chat when they suggested that aokiji was the silhouette during the germa cover story. I Fell in and out of his reviews but I had to drop him completely. Not to mention that he shows a blatant, overt disgust for any fat/chunky charater in any of the series he reviews, while claiming to be a channel for younger viewers.
The short out of context clip from Rogers base shows he is fed up in general.
@@buciallstar That clip shows his true colors. Despite being the most fake review/reaction channel on youtube, he has too high of an opinion of himself. Telling someone they shouldn't have been born just because they disagree with him, saying that people who liked this are lying to themselves, acting like 3 year old and calling people didn't blindly agree with min children is the height of irony.
@@Mario-ll7lfTo be fair a lot of one piece fanbase have been defending a lot of objectively bad things in one piece like all the fake out deaths, a lot of criticism gets straight out ignored or spinned into positive things like the fact haki wasnt planned in the start gets spinned around and many other things so i get why if you cover one piece as a job those things can become very frustrating over time. I dont think doomsday trope is bad on its own, its pretty fantastic a lot of the times and the spin in egghead when villains this time around have time limit is pretty good. But the issue that a lot of people can have it is that its used pretty much in every major story arc, with the series going on for so long a lot of tropes can become tiring, like the fact that most major arc are country/island are getting controlled by bad pirate, and then sh eventually beat it, the way most arcs are going are very very similiar so much we know what will happen a lot of the time. The same jokes are being used pretty much across the story and when some like brook panties are not that bad since they are short and over with, things like sanji being a pervert overpower the plot and character during a lot of moments. To a lot of us that just watch episode and or read 1 chapter a week its not a issue but for someone catching up or doing a lot of op content it can be really tiring. My personal biggest issue is when things i dont really enjoy are going on for way too long, like a ride to enies lobby on a train, cold zombies in wano, or wedding cake in whole cake.
Im not defending this particular content creator since i have no idea who he is and never watched his content but those are some gripe i personally have with community, plenty of op discussion tends to go in a pretty silly direction thats why i mostly avoid looking at them and watch some theories or people covering chapters, the op discussion are pretty much never worth reading especially when there is a criticism involved. Also one thing that enjoyment of art is subjective but a lot of quality can be judged objective and someone liking it doesnt make it good, same if you dislike something it doesnt make it bad so someone saying that doomsday trope is bad is just wrong it exist for a reason, but them feeling its overused is completely fair.
Not to be overly pedantic, but if a villain has decided to do something, it seems pretty logical for people to try to estimate how long it'll take them.
Yeah, people complaining about the countdown as a trope, when literally every story with a villain has a countdown. The countdown before whatever they plan on doing.
If Luffy is being chased by the 5 elder, the countdown is distance. Is Luffy able to keep enough distance to escape, or will he be caught.
If Luffy hasnt eaten for a while, the countdown is fatique. Is Luffy able to defeat the enemy before he gets too hungry and unable to fight?
The "countdown" trope isnt a trope. Its literally one of the things that makes a villain, a villain.
If there is no countdown for something, then there is no villain.
woah one of my favourite bald guys is here
i had the same thought. this isn't really a trope it's just.. stuff takes time
@@Predated2 "oh well technically this is countdown too..." no we aren't talking about that, people are annoyed because of time countdowns
@@slugeater1938 if you think that then you don't understand how countdowns are used in stories
In my opinion, the difference this time is, in previous cases, the protagonists were the ones facing the countdowns. But now the antagonists are the ones facing the countdown. This somehow goes to show how straw hats have risen in their journey.
That really makes sense
Wow. It's almost like the video says this exact thing.
Tell me you didnt watch the whole video before commenting without telling you didnt watch the whole video before commenting
Dosent show anything about them, as its Vegapunk who made the countdown againts the Gorosei, nothing they did
@@trippzent7103 Hahaha, yeah. I saw the whole video and I was like Aaahh shiit
It honestly doesn’t surprise me that this video has to do with a Rogersbase opinion lmao. we are talking about the same guy who quit reading one piece for almost a year because big mom got amnesia 🤣
Everytime I see a countdown in the manga I automatically have the one piece ost in my head like "difficult" or "Giant stronghold take off" "Desperate situation". One Piece itself is a big countdown towards the *One* *Piece* .
I think people put far too much stock into the perceived lack of value that "tropes" hold.
It's like as soon as they can notice that they're there (or hear someone else complain about them), they're an inherently bad and hackneyed thing (they aren't).
Its like when people complaing about foreshadowing and guessing correctly what the hints of the story tell them
They are, when it's in the same series, repeatedly. While simultaneously hyping something as the greatest written thing ever. But people will flip out over that statement too and cannot accept it is a mark of weak and often lazy writing. It's like the whole last minute entry of Luffy with everyone chanting his name to save them is pretty cheesy and overdone now too post timeskip. They've done that. And they've done that repeatedly. You don't need to try this hard.
@lancevance6346 so here's an idea: you go dedicate 20+ years to writing the same story without having to break it up into multiple series.
When you've done that, then you can come back and bitch about using tropes that you invented yourself for a story unlike anything else in it's league.
@@ronly_driver There it is. The lowest IQ discourse shonen fans can engage in for lack of an argument. I must you assume you consume every single piece of media ever created in the form of games, books,movies, TV shows etc and 100% like all of them, as you'd be hypocritical to criticize even the basic issues with them unless you have written atleast a couple acclaimed books or directed atleast 10 Hollywood movies of your own.
@@ronly_driver I mean Oda never invented those tropes. He just overuses it. And that's a legitimate criticism. Post timeskip has had very predictable and same-y structure to most of it's arcs. Like, that's just a fact. You can like it despite that, but it like it or not it raises questions about the "unlike nothing else in it's league" claims.
Note to self: a lack of sleep also means an early release of Grandline Reviews
It's 6 am
Facts 🔥
When you have to get up for class anyways this is true
I’m just getting ready for work! Similar feeling 😊
@@inim6210 4 AM here
I think a really good example of impending doom without a time limit came during Egghead not too long ago.
One singular panel of one of Blackbeard's ships.
We knew they were coming, we knew they were on the island, but we had no idea when they were going to strike.
Liam seemed extra pleased about the clever comeback he gave to the gjy who had the wall comment, so much he had to include it in a video, i don't blame him, it was a really good zinger.😂 lol
When you were talking about Enies Lobby, you mentioned that Zoro got handcuffed to Usopp…uhhhh, when did that happen? Zoro got handcuffed to Sogeking.
That's a fanbase trope that is overused and still works
@@gabrielgoes0sogeking isn’t a trope, it’s a running joke, a gag character.
@@user-dt1rp4ic1x I was just going with the theme of the video, but okay, I'll let you ruin my fun
Ngl that clip of rodgers base at the beginning makes me rly not like him. Talking abt the manga like he’s got the objective opinion, thinking that if people acknowledge his opinion it’ll somehow make it “better”, and then saying he doesn’t like the discourse in this community. Like bro that’s u, ur the part of the community that u don’t like 💀
Ever since wano started he’s been really unlikable. He’s gotten such a massive ego and he actually thinks his opinions are the only valid ones anymore.
The community that gave him a career too. He comes across as ungrateful; I'm glad I'm not the only person that got rubbed the wrong way
He's got a point about One Piece fans giving Oda way too much credit and making it out to be the best story ever.
Ever since I couldn't unhear his voice as Jay from Big Mouth, it's been like nails on a chalk board lol
@@jpronan8757 that wasn't really his point though. He said that the countdown was bad and if we disagree we are biased Oda fanboys. He said that “acknowledging it's bad” would bring us better chapters.
That's straight up dumb.
You are the only One Piece youtuber I think who doesnt curse or use slangs and I find it funny how you put the guy that rages in the start🤣
Tekking doesn't either
@@jordanvance1657 true, but that mf screams and jumps around🤣🤣, while grand line is chill and gives grown up vibes haha.
@@jordanvance1657tekking says shit and fuck. Not a lot, but he does.
Not liking the “countdown trope” in One Piece is akin to not liking the final boss in every arc in fairy tail being defeated by “friendship” trope or every enemy being defeated by “obligatory timeless move or latent power/transformation” in Naruto or black clover or dragon ball.
If you don’t like it you don’t have to consume it.
I think it's fine, personally. Every use of it changes the situation quite a bit each time. There's always going to be something forcing you to move in a big situation and there's always a point where you will lose if you take too long. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. And it's not broken.
I feel like it's been used enough to be worn out if not broken
@@bashamd96 I disagree. The whole of One Piece is a giant timer - the race to find the treasure before someone else does. We're getting close to the timer running out, we know who our biggest adversaries in the race are and the pressure is on, but that doesn't mean that from the start there wasn't a timer - from the moment Luffy declared his intention to become the King of the Pirates until now. And it works so well as a consistent aspect of OP to have timers, because there will always be timers on the things you can do. Life itself is a timer until death, and I wouldn't change the timers in OP for anything.
One of the big and best things about OP's world is that there is a consistent feel of time progressing and it's lauded as a good thing by everyone = there are timers all over the world, going on while we focus on other story beats. Why wouldn't there be timers in our part of the story too?
Frankly, it's almost as brilliant a device as using the cover pages of your manga for side stories.
@@bashamd96 Explain how please. Especially when this time the countdown is on the side of the enemies. Oda uses this trope constantly but its something different every single time so there is more than enough variety. I do not really understand why suddenly people are complaining about something that has been working perfectly so far.
@@furorteutonicus9045 It's just trope fatigue. Oda uses it every arc to some degree, an arc, or 2 without it, will fix it up for people like myself and Oda can with ease do it he's mostly just changed the roles so we're cheering for the clock to hit 0 I feel like the backlash would be worse without the change cause it at least made it acceptable for those not as sick of it as I am
Personally I don't like it because all the endings are basically the same it feels way too repetitive heck the one time it failed it was because of ace own decision and not actually the main crew making some mistake
Bro why do people hate Countdowns like why?? Its fun i love it
They think writing tools are bad
I believe is because they want to end it already, they wanna know what the one piece is, WHY? God knows. But if oda finishes everything tomorrow there is ALOT and I mean A L O T of topics that need explanation and doing so is not easy task if you want to do something good.
They need to take a chill pill and let oda cook.
I can't really think of a good story that doesn't make use of countdowns
Have we overlooked one key thing?
There is a timer for the broadcast now, but doesn't Luffy have his own timer for 5th gear? Which runs out first?
Show me 1 person who is saying that countdowns are bad and not complaining that Oda using a countdown for the 1000th time.
Roger’s Base isn’t taking Stela’s death well.
Who is that bozo in strawhat clip? 💀 bro needs to go outside
RogersBase, popular OP tuber and reactor. I subbed to him way back in 2015, he was a lot more likeable back then. But his ego got to him.
@@PatrickBasedman1 yep. I already unsub his channel. That guy is too fake now.
He's a shill basically. Licks boots to do an official Xmas OP broadcast.
But most of his videos are just him yelling his head off,
and leak ego from just being on screen.
Like Ifrit here i also subbed to him back in 2015, and unsubbed years ago.
Roger, read the Chapter once didnt really go much into it, started arguing with someone who made a comment, he based his thoughts on the elders not actually showing up. It felt like he put no heart or thought into it. No one i seen was like this Chapter sucked or anything like that but him. Also this timer Isn't really for our crew but for the villains, if they fail knowledge gets out. Glad Grand Line mentioned this.
Talk about time, it always takes me back to the Frieza 5 minutes countdown!
That was only 7 chapters, 320-327, it was actually really short; Why do people add in how long it took for the chapters to release to the total time to read the chapters? Not related at all.
@@SilentiumCivisprobably cause of the anime
What bugs me:
It is absolutely unnecessary to have a time limit right now.
He could just play the clip in a loop.
Unless Oda needs the time to build some real suspense or danger.
How long does G5 last anyways? 10 minutes? Because he had to recover already so that might be a reason.
Ah, this about RogersBase making an ass of himself.
as usual
Sad to see.
He's gotten real good at that....
The old Roger was cool....
Oda has done this since Little Garden and suddenly its a problem? Come on now.
At least they're not always the same thing, and sometimes like Luffy recovering from Graham from g4, 10 minutes takes less than a chapter for Nami to distract the enemy. This Egghead timer should be longer than a chapter, and it's a unique use of the timer trope we barely touched with Hodys vitamins.
I feel like 95% of all “big bads” or story conflicts in general apply a sense of time-sensitive urgency. I’m truly lost on how Oda giving us an idea of time passage is upsetting. No more of a trope than “danger.” Like how are we upset with the most essential of story elements.
I feel like beyond all that you mentioned about the time device (which I agree with) especially with long running series like One Piece, it helps keep you grounded and know what's going on. Since there are so many characters doing different things, if there is no time, you can never know if these things happen at the same time, right after the other, or before, or how long each action actually took. So it's actually a wonderful device to keep track and things in order - for the author as well, not just for us as readers.
I don’t understand why people say this trope is bad. It might be a bit overused, but the way it’s used helps maximize the arc
i dont understand why dude in the beginning was crying cuz people didnt complain about it.
@@ichkannnichtmehr3yeah it was quite stupid of him
A lot of people complained about it tbh
no it sucks and literally makes no sense in this situation especially
@@ccrico9925 a whole lot of stupid fans
"no.. stop the count downs..."
"Do you want Long Ring Long land? Because that's how you get long ring long land!"
long ring long land is fucking dope dont talk shit about foxy 😠
Of course I want Long Ring Long Land. It was crucial to the storytelling of the follow Saga
@@satisfried_6654It’s glorified Filler that people only watch to see Kuzan for the first time.
Not at all...if you're pnly options are countdowns or long ring youra terrible writer. Which oda isnt. Most of the best arcs in manga and in fiction have crazy tension with no countdown
I don't like Foxy, but now I want Oda to use Foxy to extend a countdown just to see how people react.😂
The countdowns never really worked for me because it never felt like time was actually moving forward. Most of the time I didn't even remember there was a time limit on Onigashima.
The problem with this specific countdown is that Vegapunk was about to reveal some truth in that moment, in the now. Instead, we have to wait 10 manga minutes; weeks or months irl.
It was that bait hype that bothered me.
Having a problem with a count down trope, is like having a problem with the trope that our main protagonist is always going to fight the main antagonist of each arc. Its stupid, its a formula and its fine.
That’s such a bad comparison and makes no sense.
@@jadap1789 Not to be an ass, but if you dont see the sense in the comparison, then I cant help you my guy.
@@jadap1789no it's a good comparison
Considering Zoro’s sense of time got lost in his fight with Rob Lucci, Oda added the countdown for his sake.
classic new OP fan trope : sanjibois vs zorobois... so pathetic
If you think about it almost every battle shonens major arc has a count down of sorts. Naruto with the countdown of zabuza killing the bridge giy, countdown of orochimaru during the chuuning exams, countdown of the akatski stealing the tailed beasts, countdown of the 10 tails/infinite tsukuyomi. Bleach countdown to save rukia, countdown to stop aizen/ywabach from doing soul palace/king shenanigans, jjk basically the sukuna countdown the entire series, demon slayer you got the Michael Jackson/demons countdown, MHA you got the shiggy awakening and all for one countdown. The list goes on and on, it’s just that one piece is a lot longer so it doesn’t it more times
all the naruto count downs you mentioned are soft countdowns. protagonists having goals isnt really a countdown.
@@holoismywaifu9608 I mean all those countdowns are to something bad happening from the antagonists. It’s basically the same thing especially the akatski and war arcs
Also Egghead has turned this on its head since usually it's stop the bad guy within the time limit, but now it's keep the bad guys occupied until the time limit expires. Instead of trying to prevent the time limit thing we are now trying to make the time limit thing happen.
Problem with the time clock countdown is that it is too artificial and jars the reader when the plot keeps getting dragged on and on and on. To a lesser degree it's also very easy to write a situation that has a hard clock countdown, you just write the resolution of the conflict normally then go back and put some extra narrative saying X will happen in the amount of time you think the resolution of the conflict that you have already written will take, on the other hand I think the ace execution countdown is very good, it's not just a clock ticking, people's actions delay the execution without feeling like it's just a plot device to extend the countdown timer.
Exactly
While I definitely don't agree, this is probably the best counter I've seen from this argument.
I feel this reaction would be way more valid if Egghead had bad pacing, but so far it hasn't.
Ffs it took way too much scrolling to find this. This is exactly what I was thinking.
ill tell you, people that're complaining about time limits obviously dont do much in life cause life is filled with time limits and countdowns... that guy was mad for no reason
The exact thing I wanted to write. Like, what are they even talking about?
- Gotta rush to the train before I miss it (countdown)
- Gotta be at the airport in 10min or I miss my flight (countdown)
- Gotta grab something at the store before it closes (countdown)
- Gotta make it to my job interview before I miss it (countdown)
- Gotta renew my paperworks before they expire (count-f*ing-down)
- Etc...
As you said, life's full of those, everywheren everyday
Doesn't mean he shouldn't change it up. I partially agree with Rogerbase
@@fellowhomosapian7838 can't change the unavoidable 🤷
O just feel like he is fed up with one piece. Mabye he should take a brake for half a year.
@@IgnorantWeed my guess is impatient
I am sick of the time limits to, it was one of those things that was fine the first few times but it feels cheap now.
I think people are annoyed by this timer specifically because its kind of an ass pull. Theres nothing stopping vegapunk from explaining the truth of the world now for people who are ready, and then saying it again in 10 minutes, or simply play the message on repeat. I guess we'll see if this is viable after we hear the message, but it just doesnt seem like how the smartest man alive would act.
I def agree with the egghead countdown subverting the typical formula, but i also have to shout out the way Oda used it for onigashima. Tying onigashima’s floating directly to the main antagonists stamina added this extra layer of pressure because near the end of his fight with luffy, it genuinely felt like Kaido could have let it plummet at any moment. Like the entire time I had this feeling that Luffy could potentially cause everyone’s destruction by defeating kaido.
No Walls = Dude in no room
Dude in a tent
@@alicepbg2042 or Dude in a gazebo?
@@alicepbg2042 tent still have walls
Dude in the Wild
@@stefthorman8548 depends on the tent
Thank you for adding the Goku animation with Luffy at the end of the video. A nice and fitting touch.
I totally agree that we definitely need the count device for every one piece arc because it definitely makes the one piece anime better and better with every arc
So glad that i caught up just when vegapunk said he's gonna make an announcement. Then i waited a week for an announcement of a 10 minute wait for the announcement 😢
Welcome to the week-to-week club!! Lol
Roger should write his own One piece and make it good since he knows better 😂😂😂
HELLO!!!! that’s what i’m saying. tf he mad at the fans because we’re actually enjoying the show for💀😂
Roger went downhill years ago.
I unsubbed when his fame got to his head and he became arrogant.
He TALKS humble sometimes, but it's literally just for the camera.
Dude fakes it so hard because he himself knows he comes off as arrogant.
The strawhats getting stomped VERY quickly at saboady was the most suspenseful moment in the story. The sense of danger spoke for itself
Well as it turns out, the progression of time is indeed a thing in the one piece world. Wild, if true.
I think a 1100+ chapter series is bound to recycle tropes. A good author reshuffles or repurposes the tropes in an interesting way
It’s not always interesting though that’s the problem
@@jadap1789 to you
@@jadap1789 ok, so?
This is exactly what I yapped to a wall about when I read that “the secrets and history of the world would be revealed in ten minutes”
Time limit trope is forgivable given how incredible the last two arcs have been.
I hadn’t realised this until now, but I do think it’s cool that it’s a countdown to something good instead of bad
An example of not having a hard clock is JJK, I love the series but its starting to feel like they are just gonna fight until everyone is dead.
What gets me here, and in that clip Liam showed of the guy complaining about it, is that it doesn't explain why a countdown is such a problem? Like Liam said for the reader a countdown like that is kinda meaningless so where's the issue? It's a bit tired and overused by Oda sure, but it doesn't really affect anything. And it's especially weird with this countdown as now the perpective is flipped, the countdown is on the strawhats side this time around, it's the villains who are under time pressure now.
Because it’s an *unbelievable* annoyance that Oda does continuously 🤨 You know exactly why. It’s the biggest slap in the face. And it’s also the fact that we know this 10 minutes can be stretched to 3-4 months … *EASILY* In Wano, there was a 5 minute countdown where he stretched it to 21 chapters … That’s almost half a year … including break weeks, it was literally close to half a year or 5 minutes in-story. Just feels like ridiculous disrespect from Oda.
@@GourSmiththis might be shocking but our time ≠ anime time 😂
@@fl8704 Hey goofball. I have to assume you can’t comprehend English very well … Because I was pretty clear on the problem that I and many others have. Take your goofiness to people who are willing to tolerate you.
@@GourSmithno one is making you read if it's sooo annoying just stop...
@@crow8185 You're a clown. I've loved one piece for a decade now. My problem isn't with the story ... It's with the nonsense bs tropes and games Oda plays with us. It's not an unfair criticism-and not an uncommon one either 🤡 When people point out actual criticisms that are continuous ... That doesn't mean you hate the story. Get over yourself, goofy.
My favorite timer will always be the fight with Diaboromon in the digimon movie. Watching the computer crash while a missle is heading towards Japan made you feel like they screwed up.
The subversion of the clock working against the antagonists crossed my mind too. Tbh it didnt make me even think about the other countdowns in the series because of this very thing.
@thedrawkshow has a great take on Oda using timing as a primary theme from practically the very beginning. Mama Drawk is honestly a genius at theory, she's predicted things that we are only now seeing in the story all the way back in east blue, early grand line!
And one thing One Piece does with the trope is that if time is up, there are swift concequences. They dont always make it in the nick of time. Which i really appreciate
Lmao name 1 time they haven't made it besides Ace death.
There wasn't enough time to defuse the bomb in alabaster so bird guy carried it away. BUT faced no consequences, he survived
@@poisonpotato1Ace was freed, but he got himself killed because he was an hot headed idiot that got busted by Akainu
@@poisonpotato1 they even did make it for ace. He just got himself killed
consequences? in OP? lmao funny that just doesn't happen. no one dies, luffy just punch harder to win. nothing special at all.
Being angry about the countdowns feels like a desperate attempt at a hot take.
This is great analysis Liam
I don’t see a problem with the clock because it fits in so naturally with the world, themes, and characters. They’re more than just clocks that add tension, they are used to enhance the story in other ways.
Time layer also shows how powerful our MCs are by over king such intense odds
9:39 no wonder Oda is keen to use soft cloaks, they are just way more pleasant to touch
the time trope is always there since alabasta arc with the clock tower bomb
it just an overused trope that hurts the week to week reading experience. that said if your binge reading its not so bad because it dosn't just feel like stalling
Facts ma boi
I appreciate the honesty here, to be honest. I'm fine with the time limits to be honest-Especially with Egghead having a time limit against the bad guys this time. Imagine how less impactful Marineford would have been if there was an undermined time to save Ace, or he was just sitting on death row 😅
Time is everywhere, there will always be a timer, visible or not
Have we entirely overlooked the fact Gear 5 has a time limit?
Can Luffy beat the Marines and Gorosei before be loses power and becomes an old man again for a while?
I respectfully disagree. There are many more ways to create tension without abusing time constraints. A trope can be clearly overused. Regardless of explanation it doesn’t excuse the overuse of said trope.
The specific issue I have with the Egghead timer is something that someone else pointed out. There was no defined reason as to why we have to "wait" 10 mins. There was no narrative reason as to why Vegapunk couldn't just replay his message over and over from the beginning, so that those who were ready got the message asap, and those that weren't wouldn't miss it if they tuned in later. If the feed got cut off before that, at least some kingdoms would know and word would travel fast with transponder snails, mail , word of mouth etc.
That's a glaring narrative logic hole.
That's a very solid counter point, but i'm more than willing to give the benefit of the doubt and see if it's the type of message that could not be repeated more than once; either based on some power of Imu or some trait of the images being shown
personally a "plot hole of human error" never really bothers me because people aren't perfect and they make mistakes all the time, haha (and that ofc includes story writers~)
I'll give you one easy possibility that's been obscured.
Which timer runs out first? 10 minutes to the broadcast, or Luffy turning into a weak old man and powering down in 10 minutes?(he's already gone G5 today, and recovered. And we don't know how long his timer is yet before G5 is over)
@@ninjablade2 I did read somewhere else that there is a potential mistranslation with the point Morgans made about the time, and more so that this can actually be a live feed with the 3 specific Vegapunks being used being those whose data is "AI" like now but I still can't understand for the delay specifically. Vegapunk is smart enough to know that his message would immediately be targeted by the World Government so why delay and risk it not going out? Remember he was willing to wait an hr+ for this.
If there is a specific reason we have to wait, I personally can't fathom what it is. Images that can only be shown once? Why does that stop some people from a) recording the video, b) seeing it and spreading the word??
You could argue maybe Imu would come in and go after every person that got the message first but is that not still a better option having some people get the message to pass to others than potentially risk it not getting out at all?
@@SinkrSwim If you mean as a narrative literary device, then sure it builds on the tension and makes sense. I'm arguing more specifically regarding an in world application. It doesn't make sense for valuable information from someone like Vegapunk to be delayed in this way.
@@TransVamp You seem to have missed my overall point. Unfortunate.
This video actually changed my mind on timers in anime/manga, gave me a new perspective on them!
well, some things happen at the same time, so going back and fourth can make one two minutes last an entire episode.
I will just leave this here:
- hold off the Saiyans until Goku arrives
- Namek will explode in a few minutes
- get strong enough before Cell decides to stop waiting and goes on a murder spree
- I think Buu had two countdown, one self imposed and one enforced on him
- save Gaara before they extract Shukaku
- take down Madara before he activates the infinite tsukuyomi
- learn bankai fast because Rukia will be executed in a few days
- you can make an argument for Tsukushima but that's kinda just about the vibe of the situation
- stop Yhwach before the barriers between worlds collapse
This trope is used so often because it works. Oda just has more opportunities to use it and he does it really well with combination of other forms of tension.
Train in that room for a year, while Cell and the androids get 24 hours out here to destroy the world.
There is a part of me that remembers Mr Satan even making a joke about the timer at one point during the Cell saga, though I think Vegeta pointed it out too that it was dumb there was a timer involved I think with SS or the combination technique or something.(it's been like 20 years since I watched the Cell saga, so I am not offended by corrections)
@@Pickn4Gold yup. There's so many versions of this that everyone can probably come up with some that didn't even cross my mind.
@@matus19971for sure. You just got me thinking and I had my weedies today.
And it makes enough sense, because while it's used a lot...it's also such a basic piece of framework that it'd be hard not to use it! It's pretty much just the "the heroes have to act or the villains will succeed" but removes the possibility of slowly whittling away the villain(s)' forces until they're defeated, because now it has to be done quickly or it'll all be for naught
@@damienearl8302 whittling down the forces makes me think of JRPGs more than anime, at least One Piece. I see what you're saying though.
It'd be a problem if the same countdown was always the same thing. But, every arc has a different way of applying it. I don't think it's an issue. I mean, if you don't like it, that's fair. Is it used non-stop? Well, yeah. But you could simply ignore it, and honestly, it wouldn't change much. I think a lot of One Piece youtubers try to be controversial for views (not you, GLR, the other dude).
One way of thinking about it is regardless If a countdown is there or not, the arc would be just as long but the timer adds tension which keeps us intrigued
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It was a valid opinion till rogerbase literally told someone to never have been born after getting asked about it
He was the same way about Yamato and said "you're stupid if you don't think she's joining. It's obvious at this point". Got too big for his britches
a lot of the examples were about some sort of danger happening in the time limit. they are completely different scenarios of what just happened. the example of death happening in few minutes is a distant thing happening in shorter time, meanwhile the current time delay does the opposite and delays the information that we were supposed to get right now
In my line of work I visit multiple business in one day. Some sites are time sensitive meaning I have limited time to do my work and be out of the site before my time is up and it's always more nerve-racking when I know there's a time limit I must not exceed and the time limit is generally 2 hours let alone 1 hour.
One piece fans will watch anything over and over again , no standard at all , that's why this series is so big , and the fandom is extremely toxic.
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I mean that hypothetical randomly timed buster call scenario is kinda happening in the story. The Strawhat Grand Fleet will arrive but we have no idea when or where they will show up.
What did you say, Long Ring Long Land arc had least tension.
Dude I was freaking out when foxy took Robin and Chopper
he never took Robin, he only took Chopper, then Luffy won Chopper back, then Luffy won their flag. 3 games.
@@McBehrer Manga vs. Anime, Brian. Don't forgor that.
@@McBehrer I thought I saw Robin with foxy mask
Oh hey Mr Internet man
It's honestly not a problem. The whole manga is a countdown - a race to the One Piece. Luffy has to get there before anyone else can claim it, and it's constantly ticking down in the background... tick, tick, tick. We're now nearing the deadline and we know who the people we're racing against are, which we didn't at the start of the story, but that doesn't change the fact that there's been a clock ticking down from the moment Luffy decided he wanted to be King of the Pirates.
bingo. great argument
There's no clock ticking down theoughout because no one other than the straw hats were making progress towards the one piece until the beginning of the final saga
I loved the half stealth of impel down (and the location was amazing
Thanks man on the Internet I am now teary eyed after you art at the end of the video
I think the problem with the countdown is it never actually feels like 10 minutes, as reading a manga takes a variable amount of time, and waiting for the next chapter takes forever, we have to rely on Oda explicitly stating how much time has passed which isn't very satisfying. Im not sure if people hating on the countdown prefer the big mom or Noah examples, but i prefer them because it gives us a spatial countdown which can be expressed way more clearly and naturally in a manga.
but regardless of how long it takes you to read, you know the time it took in universe.
barely anything you watch or read will happen in real time. and it suddenly becomes an issue when you know the time in universe?
@@alicepbg2042 I personally don’t have an issue with the countdown however I like to play both sides. Regarding your point, yes it does only become an issue now because oda is drawing attention to the time, that’s the point of the countdown. This has an effect of amplifying any pacing issues. Also we don’t know how much time has passed in universe after each chapter unless oda tells us.
@@snorlaxhd4677 why is it an issue?
One major aspect to why countdowns work so well in One Piece is that the good guys don’t always beat them, even more so not the main cast.
Noah’s Fall is stopped by Shirahoshi, not Luffy.
Only Sanji makes it to the Sea Train before it departs.
Ace is taken to Marineford before Luffy can save him in Impel Down.
Pell has to save Alubarna, not the Straw Hats or Vivi.
The Straw Hats fail to keep the kids away from Mocha, so she sacrifices herself by eating all the drugged candy.
I think Oda could structure countdowns a little better as the scope and scale of the arcs has expanded, but I do prefer to have some understanding of time in a story as compared to Jujitsu Kaisen’s current arc, which only has dead bodies for time markers.
The rogers base dude needs to take a-vacation from one piece he has clearly gone over the deep end.
Honestly at the end, where you gave those examples without a hard clock example, you made me realize how awesome it would be without countdowns lol...
Since imagining, you never know when it finally happens and then BOOM end of chapter reveals, they have arrived! (Buster Call example)
That tension of mysteriousness works so much better for me, now that i think about it.
Exactly!
It seems to me that Rogersbase was more upset that Vegapunk's information wasn't revealed this past chapter more than he actually cared about the timer.
Him getting upset is fine and showing criticism for a story you like if healthy. The big problem is that every time he gets upset with the story he lashes out at his audition and the fandom as a whole.