Did you see they referenced this on the Bill Cipher vs Discord death battle. One of the scrambled quotes in Bill’s analysis when decoded is “I don’t even like chicken wings” and the keyword is Sephiroth!
@crossovercolosseum680 Personally I disagree with sephiroth winning. Bill cipher has MUCH more experience than sephiroth and has far greater feats than sephiroth, if the law of magnetism was no more bill cipher would curb stomp sephiroth easily. Especially since death battle explicitly said that Bill cipher can see several different possibilities, meaning he can easily counter attack sephiroth in every way possible. Sorry bud, looks like you didn't do enough research
@@jarielwilliams9856Bro shut up!!!!!! What are you going to do about it? They did their research. Were you not paying attention? Sephiroth DOES win. I think YOU know nothing about FF. Just SHUT UP!
“Sephiroth is gonna obliterate your planet and just like that he wins” “Bill Cipher is going to snap your dimension out of existence and just like that he wins”
There's some people saying that Sephiroth defeated a being that is beyond the concept of time and space, but I don't know if that would be unbeatable for Bill. I'm not a FF fan, so idk 😅
People are saying that bill could destroy a dimension but remember in his physical form he “can control space matter and with time baby gone time itself!” So I think bill would take the win but still I love the animation!
Ford's quantum destabilizer isn't just your typical laser gun, It was created with stuff made to specifically destroy Bill, which is the reason why it only took a small burst to damage him. And considering how powerful of a being Bill is, a simple star explosion wouldn't be enough to kill him, not to mention he's immortal.
The masamune is a sword designed to kill anything if you do not know the masamune is a sword crafted by well a master swordsman known as masamune stated to be the greatest swordsmith to ever live and this sword was his magnum opus how did sephiroth get his hands on it I have no clue
Sephiroth does not stand a ghost of a chance against Bill. After all, Bill can literally just erase him from existence and bam fight is over. He can also take away all of his powers.
Yeah... Not even *close* to how this fight would likely play out, in all reality... But the voicework? The spritework? The humor? *Chef's kiss.* I'm not even mad that your information was so wrong; that was sensational! 👍
Considering that Bill Cipher obliterated the time baby (who literally drinks universes as milk) with just a lift of a finger the same could be said for Sephiroth he's only ever been planetary even Supernova isn't as powerful as people think since it's an illusion and doesn't kill while also being a solar system level attack that comes from a different dimension Bill would easily dodge that and hell he wouldn't even be phased by that
But he was phased by spray paint?? Also time baby has absolutely no defensive stats we can calculate meaning we have absolutely no idea how much damage he can take. That blast could’ve been like a light breeze or the power of the Big Bang. Again, we have no idea
@@luiginumbers6268 Bill couldve destroyed this one to probably since he would've took over the universe if not for plot I mean the law of weirdness magnetism
@@Luco_TA except that he couldn’t. If he could destroy a universe you’re telling me that he couldn’t get past a magnet? He could’ve just blasted his way out of the barrier. There’s also the unicorn hair spell that prevents him from touching a specific area. Limitations like that (as well as no real grasp to the extent of his offensive potency) are what makes me cautious. More so to the fact that his defense is dog water. Like seriously, the only thing he has is regeneration
TBH, I think you really lowballed Bill Cipher here. It was shown that, at his most powerful, Bill Cipher was able to threaten the universe itself, and it was stated by multiple characters in a way that made it seem like more than just hearsay.
Okay- this raises so many red flags. Sephiroth is Solar System at best while Bill Cipher, at worst, is universal. Not to mention that Bill is monumentally faster than Sephiroth.
In FF7 Remake, Sephiroth is able to write new timelines just by slicing his sword at the end of the game (Zack surviving the battle that should have killed him and bring back Biggs from the dead) and FF7 Rebirth is able learning what Sephiroth did that altered the normal timeline. Bill is hurt by things that realistically shouldn’t hurt him. If you want to upscale Sephiroth then in Final Fantasy Dissidia and Dissidia 012, Sephiroth is able to hurt Shinyru who ate a crystal core which has the power to destroy the Final Fantasy multiverse and it’s infinite dimensions and is superior to Exdeath and Euno both of being able to move in The Void giving them and Sephiroth immeasurable speed.
@@Enxoooo Rebirth cannot be used as evidence since that came out after this battle was made. Plus, I really don’t see evidence that Sephiroth was rewriting time just by swinging. As for your scaling, everyone playable in those games are capable of hurting him, so that’s some seriously questionable scaling. Especially since trying to win 1 on 1? Forget it- not gonna happen. Not to mention it would make every playable character in the Dissida games multiversal, which is stupid scaling. Even if that were all true, that wouldn’t matter. A single dimension in the Gravity Falls has an infinite number of universes and multiverses, yet Bill just destroyed the entire second dimension. Bill is literally as high as he can be on the multiversal scale without crossing into hyperversal territory. Not to mention that he just shrugs off a lot of the so called “things” that hurt him. He legit couldn’t die by physical means in the show.
@@axillaryclinical that still can’t be used for this fight. Also, name the website that states Sephiroth is more powerful than Bill. Edit: oh wait. I don’t care for these debates because everyone has to use fake sources citing they are canon to win.
@@Mojo1356 dude I think you’re in your own world if you want to not accept of Canon version of him which you are denying man it’s crazy to say it’s fake Meanwhile it is true and the creator of Final Fantasy seven says it is canon to the series and the remake is canon to say it’s not because you don’t care shows you really are bias to say someone work isn’t even canon though they confirm it to be something you cannot argue against
I just now realized that while Bill was fending off the Supernova the planet got evaporated. I don't know if this was the intention but that might have annihilated the Weirdmaggedon portal cutting Bill off from the Nightmare Realm. Now I'm not sure if you can "blow up a portal" but that might've been a really cool detail if it was.
@@guardianofthesand9090 Hmm, that's a good point. Was there anywhere in the show where it specified it was a rip in space and less like a portal? I could've sworn I heard portal from somewhere and I did argue portal manipulation in some discussions. I think I might need to rewatch the Stanford reveal episode again.
So bill is just fending off the supernova so it cant destroy the weirdmagedon portal bcs if it got destroyed bill would come back in the nightmare realm.
@@justdrav671 Time baby mentions that it's an outright universe threatening hole in reality. Right before Bill unpersons a literal incarnation of time. Instantly.
Uh... Bill Cipher's ability and judgment are too far off here. Learn more about Bill Cipher this is impossible. And Bill Cipher just can't die in the sun
In the CANON journals, Bill is stated to b an threat to the gravity falls 11D Multiverse, which is him high-balled, but makes him still infinity times more powerful than Sephiroth
Yeah like with Mewtwo this outcome doesn't make that much sense. Bill is an obscenely powerful reality warper. All the defenses in the world doesn't matter when Bill can just rewrite the rules however he sees fit. I am beginning to think that someone has a Sephiroth bias.
Yeah, both are correct. Sephiroth at peak is also a reality warper, not only that but he has conceptual manipulation, he can just obliterate both Mewtwo and Bill Cipher.
@@olimarpikmin976 Lmao. At his peak Sephiroth controls the magic, and in FF the magic (not the Materia, the magic itself, Materia is a limited version of the magic) manipulates the reality and even concepts.
@@dinosaurusrex1482 And he was destroying the 3rd dimension as well, just by existing as stated by Time Baby that Bill Cipher just messing around in Gravity Falls was destroying the very fabric of existence. That's universal - frankly I know next to nothing about Sephiroth so I don't know who'd really win, but a supernova wouldn't cut it- especially since I doubt supernovas can harm spirits, while it could destroy Bill's physical form, a supernova wouldn't harm his spirit. And through statement, Bill should be multiversal+, as Alex Hirsch said he "stood higher" than the Nightmare Realm which he called a multiverse. Though I'm not sure what he meant by "stood higher", if he meant it in a litteral way then Bill should be multiversal+, but if he just meant Bill ruled over it then I don't think that alone makes him Multiversal.
@@cbfranco3307 I mean. >.> Him invoking supernova couldn't even kill the final fantasy 7 cast- so, it's more likely that it's some form of contained remnant, or, an extremely damaging illusion.
You all do know that the only way to kill bill is by trapping him in a mind thats being destroyed or by using a special zodiac otherwise he will just be back in his oven dimension hes a creature of pure energy
Why do i have a bad feeling that Bill will eventually come back and kill Seph for real this time? He won't hold back and just kill in the spot after the previous interaction that killed him.
It has never been implemented that Bill destroy has destroy his dimension in just one snap. Whilst it was said that Bill is a threat to the multiverse, his track record of causing bedlam in one place before moving to another implies its through a crusade-like movement rather than being capable of destroying the whole thing in one single action.
Sephiroth is more than planetery lvl, he is like a solar system lvl or even universal at best I don't know much about gravity falls but probably Bill should've won, even tho Sephi did have an answer to must of his tricks. idk never watched gravity falls
Nice animation, but otherwise pretty dumb. Bill is far more powerful that Sephiroth. A supernova isnt going to destroy him, and even if it could damage him, he can controll time and space remember? He could literally swap places with Sephiroth and leave him in front of the Supernova, or just reverse the supernova
Boomstick: Like Vergil, and Mewtwo before him, Bill just couldn't decipher Sephiroth. Wiz: the winner is (once again) Sephiroth Boomstick: fucking Sephiroth.
They left Bill cipher weak in the end and nerfed him, Bill had Destroyed his dimension because he was bored, do you really think he will lose to a Sun?
Here are some fight suggestions. If any of these make it into an episode, I'd lose my shit. Archie Knuckles vs Juggernaut Voldemort vs Orochimaru Scourge the Hedgehog vs Goku Black Jackie Chan vs Omi (Jackie Chan Adventures vs Xiaolin Showdown)
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A-X-O-L-O-T-L My Time Has Come To Burn I Invoke The Ancient Power So I May Return are bill’s last words backwards before his death by the hands of Sephiroth also nice Gravity Falls Reference
Considering the fact that this the third character that Sephiroth defeated in a VS fight. (The first one being Vergil in Death Battle and second being Mewtwo in Smash Bracket.) I think the three of them should start a support group. As for Bill Cipher losing... At least he'll get another chance in a VS fight with Discord from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic on Death Battle.
I am super late to this, but thank you so much for the kindness! I have a ton of fun writing and making these. Also I hate to burst your bubble, but we do have some hand drawn and 3D animations coming up… but they are super cool I swear 😂
Even if we took bill as a multiversal plus being he would still lose as supernova was downplayed too as the description of the attack states it is an attack that obliterates every dimension except for the one cloud and the party is in the gravity falls multiverse is around 10000 dimensions which some of them are only small planet sized statements and the final fantasy multiverse which is nearly infinite so even with bill is multiversal+ logic he still loses
Yet Bill transcends fiction via just 1 Weirdness Bubble, meaning all dimensions of Final Fantasy would just be ignored as Bill has interacted with the 4th Wall and higher degrees such as rewriting Creator-Written intros. Heck- Seprioth would be canonically weaker as he exists part of Disney's vast reality/multiverse through Kingdom Hearts which Bill would automatically transcend in the same reason Popeye wiped out Saitama.
@@Rathalos2428 while that is hilarious I think of these things like donkey Kong punching the moon out of orbit it is just a joke feat and should not be taken seriously also promoting crypto immediately strips you of all power but yeah solid point
@@imnotcalamari6547 to think that joke feats are kind of reality warper's things i think it's just funny that dk of all characters punched the moon lmao
@@imnotcalamari6547 And? How is it a joke feat when compared to Bill destroying Time Baby across timelines, or the Journal stating Bill is a threat and scares 11D Creatures who are 1 Dimension short from transcending fiction?
Strange that now we are getting similar animation from death battle... discord vs bill cipher. This was the 2nd time bill was against someone with good quality animation (bill vs sans was first)
Didn't the video said that supernova is a long move? Shouldn't Bill be able to desintegrate Sephirot like he did with Time Baby before supernova activates? I'm asking because I never played final fantasy before so I wanna know the answer.
I disagree. Bill has way more powerful feats than Sephiroth. He has beaten universe level threats and also has way more experience than Sephiroth since he's trillions of years old.
You majority downplayed bills speed here. Due to him having complete control of time, which would make him infinite in speed. However assuming that hes powers work exactly like time babies, than he should be of immeasurable speed due to time travel abilities. So he should easily be able to dodge sephorath's final attack. Also due to his complete control over space and matter, he could simply get bigger, or phase through the nova. He could literally become 10 times bigger than the explosion. And this is all without stating that time baby said that due to him tearing a rip in space time, he literally could destroy existence which Is a reference to the multiverse. Making him multiversal+ in power. A measly swordsmen who's solar system at best shouldn't stand a CHANCE also first bill summoned weirdmegedon and then he summoned his physical form. This would therefore mean that as long as weird megedon is active bill can keep recreating his form, and that's if he cant regenerate from the blast.
I really would love to see a death battle system colosseum where you have every link fight one another to figure out who is the strongest. Hero of time link would probably win if you're going with the rules of having the links have every item they've ever had but it'd still be really cool
To those people saying bill was lowballed or that he would win in a fight, remember that his battle IQ is crap, he’s had trouble catching up to two kids and defeating people while he had power over gravity and also control time, space, and matter.
@@eugenekrabs141lol news flash in final fantasy the four heroes of light, theres a secret boss who has toonforce ability and toonforce ability can be hurt by magic and special job skills lol
@@SeferAngeloEspiritus lol news flash toon force is the ability to do anything thats funny, so if it was funny that boss would just delete the characters from existence and therefore whatever boss that was did not actually have toon force
Ah, the video, where Bill Cipher took his first OTHER L (since he did take his first L and uttered the Axolotl). Gonna watch Bill Cipher vs Discord after it lol Both are fun
9:32 Fucking called me out. Alright finished the rest. While the conclusion is, in my opinion, pretty flawed, I still enjoyed the ride. Bill wasn't mentioned as a being of pure energy nor the fact that he's only been beaten by being trapped in a place he willingly went. He's been classified cannonically as a universal threat in the least and immortal, so dying to an attack that was pre-established to be an illusion in a pocket dimension, even though he would've been fine after it and then left said pocket, falls flat. Regardless, the humor, voice work, animation, writing, and references were all top notch.
Complex Multiversal- outerversal via scaling to exdeath and shinryu who could destroy the entire ff cosmology above anything bill’s fodder @$$ could do and no 11D Bill is not legit
I personally think bill would win considering he can literally one-shot time baby which is the ruler of time tbh and it is stated he can destroy the infinite multiverse of the gravity falls dimension but I can agree that he would beat bill in durability considering bill hasn’t shown a lot of durability feats. However this just doesn’t scale to higher dimensionality! Bill is stated to be 7D *LOWBALL* being able to destroy solar systems with absolute ease is impressive but bill is higher dimensional so it wouldn’t even be close! Here’s how the fight would actually go: Bill:disassembles his molecules Sephiroth: *dies* (Great animation btw)
So many Bill Cipher fanboys are crying about how Bill should've won,but with a highballed Bill vs a Highballed Sephiroth,Sephiroth would win since you can scale FF to Outer(or so I hear) If we go off solely feats,sure,Bill might win,but if we go with the nuance and stuff,the roles are reversed. This is my opinion though lmao
This feels inaccurate. Keep in mind that bill legit DESTROYED AND ENTIRE DIMENSION. Yes, Sephiroth can use supernova, but he can’t destroy entire dimensions, we also didn’t see his time travel abilities, he could have frozen time and cut sephiroth in half.
There is an argument for bill too win this but it has been stated by bill himself that he was “overstuffing his resume” for time baby and that he isn’t all powerful. The limit of bills powers are obvious and he has been defeated by beings on a much lower level despite being supposedly omnipotent . As for the dimension thing. It’s not quantifiable and is never stated wether he literally destroyed the entire dimension or just every living thing in it. It’s also never stated wether he did this over time or all in one blast. The time stop could also be countered by some of the time stop spells sephiroph uses and the only time we see bill stop time is when he’s first summoned and we never see him do it again. It’s also possible that time only stopped in that area and does not affect people as mable and Soose were not frozen despite not being part of the ritual. Bills a bit overhyped in the community and theirs not a lot of evidence explaining half the stuff people say he can do. Heck he died in the show from having his spirit/energy erased meaning anything that attacks the soul could potentially kill him. That means theirs a good number of characters who could beat bill.
@@Doghero780 idk bro. We might not even have seen all of bills power in the show. There might be more we don’t know of. And yes, bill destroyed his dimesnion and burned it down supposedly. He nearly took over the 3rd dimension but he was miraculously “killed” people don’t take into consideration that if Stan’s mind was un erased, that would mean that bill was un erased as well along with his memories.
@@elfelin_the_gamblr5077 except he wasn’t resurrected and Stan has his memories back. We also can’t use stuff he could theoretically do without proof. With dragon ball characters for instance we can safely assume that if one character was able to achieve a certain strength or speed feat in an earlier season and future characters became stronger than that character in that moment then we can safely assume they could do it also. Bill has no other character similar in power to compare to except time baby and we already established that he wasn’t being truthful about him. The 3rd dimension is our dimension by the way so I’m not sure why you didn’t just say our dimension. He was killed because his spiritual essence or form is vulnerable which is why he relys on a physical form. You also didn’t debunk anything I said. I watched the show as well man if I could remember anything that would give bill omnipotence I’d give it to him but he’s not omnipotent and we only have his word to go by with no evidence to prove it.
@@elfelin_the_gamblr5077 neither do we know if he can backup his statements. A conclusion can not be made without evidence and bill has little evidence of his so called omnipotence.
@@DarthGoj1954 I mean in journal 3 in gravity falls it said that ford witnessed bill wipe multiple multiverse as a joke also said that if weirdamgedin succeeded it would of ended everything all dimensions and all reality so I wouldn’t say that exactly overrating him
Bill Cipher is a trillions year old near Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God who is capable of altering reality in almost any way you can possibly imagine. He obliterated the ruler of time without trying and destroyed his own dimension out of boredom. There is no way that a mere swordsman and a simple star exploding have beat bill. With his ability to do almost anything imaginable, he cud just. 1. Erase Sephiroth's entire skillset. 2. Grow way bigger than the galacy in which Bill's hand would be hundreds of lightyears large and easily kill sephiroth. 3. He could just phase through the supernova then blink his eyes and Sephiroth turns into a triple chocolate cheesecake. 4. He cud just stop time and give a powerful hit to sephiroth and resume time Plus 99 percent of the fight was Bill messing with Sephiroth while Sephiroth was trying to beat bill. The fight isnt correct at all.
Though Bill Cypher was undoubtedly lowballed I don’t mind seeing him get burned. That being said there’s no way the supernova coulda killed bill. They may have to go the Sonic Vs. Fox route and redo this video
Bill could come back from being physical and spiritually being erased😂 and you let him loosw to a supernova that he couldve thanos snapped away FAM do you even knlw how powerfull bill is you even said yourself that bill himself doesnt even know powerfull he is considering knowone could ever match him
I’m sorry but out of all your posts from both smash bracket and this channel this is the most inaccurate bs I’ve seen I don’t wanna be rude but sephiroth??? Beating bill? Your life of your mind
brodi didnt bill destroy a being existing in every place in every timeline and could destroy timelines yet bil shot a finger laser at him and eviserated him?
Did you see they referenced this on the Bill Cipher vs Discord death battle. One of the scrambled quotes in Bill’s analysis when decoded is “I don’t even like chicken wings” and the keyword is Sephiroth!
I did!! Still trying to recover from having my mind blown
@crossovercolosseum680 Personally I disagree with sephiroth winning. Bill cipher has MUCH more experience than sephiroth and has far greater feats than sephiroth, if the law of magnetism was no more bill cipher would curb stomp sephiroth easily. Especially since death battle explicitly said that Bill cipher can see several different possibilities, meaning he can easily counter attack sephiroth in every way possible. Sorry bud, looks like you didn't do enough research
@@jarielwilliams9856Bro shut up!!!!!! What are you going to do about it? They did their research. Were you not paying attention? Sephiroth DOES win. I think YOU know nothing about FF. Just SHUT UP!
@@jarielwilliams9856 Sephiroth resists basically everything Bill has
@@TheSuperGoober like what?
“Sephiroth is gonna obliterate your planet and just like that he wins”
“Bill Cipher is going to snap your dimension out of existence and just like that he wins”
There's some people saying that Sephiroth defeated a being that is beyond the concept of time and space, but I don't know if that would be unbeatable for Bill.
I'm not a FF fan, so idk 😅
He cant do that
@@spidey2837 you have any proof to prove that statement?
@@dontatmebro- do you?????
@@spidey2837 yeah we see him manipulate matter in the show.
People are saying that bill could destroy a dimension but remember in his physical form he “can control space matter and with time baby gone time itself!” So I think bill would take the win but still I love the animation!
same
Yeah but his abilities have no effect on Sephiroth so it just ends with a standstill either way.
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@@RushWheeleryou shure
@@melvacaoyona-ollosa278 yes, he's either resistant or just immune to everything Bill throws at him, and Bill isn't really known to be very tanky.
Ford's quantum destabilizer isn't just your typical laser gun, It was created with stuff made to specifically destroy Bill, which is the reason why it only took a small burst to damage him. And considering how powerful of a being Bill is, a simple star explosion wouldn't be enough to kill him, not to mention he's immortal.
yeah
That's what IM SAYING!
You are 100% correct!
I mean bill could have just grow bigger than the entire galaxy and just crush it in his hand. The super nova explosion would of had no effect on bill
The masamune is a sword designed to kill anything if you do not know the masamune is a sword crafted by well a master swordsman known as masamune stated to be the greatest swordsmith to ever live and this sword was his magnum opus how did sephiroth get his hands on it I have no clue
Sephiroth does not stand a ghost of a chance against Bill. After all, Bill can literally just erase him from existence and bam fight is over. He can also take away all of his powers.
They may have used the Sephiroth from the novels, that is practically a God
@@blurryface5906 But Bill IS a god.
@@blurryface5906than they should have used the Bill from the Journals and Reddit post by Alex Hirsch.
@@fordprefect5967 That also has a few problem
With Rebirth Sephiroth, This is a walk In a park for Seph…
CC: Sephiroth beats Bill
DB analysis of Bill vs. Discord: YOU'RE BATSHIT INSANE!
Yeah... Not even *close* to how this fight would likely play out, in all reality... But the voicework? The spritework? The humor? *Chef's kiss.* I'm not even mad that your information was so wrong; that was sensational! 👍
Considering that Bill Cipher obliterated the time baby (who literally drinks universes as milk) with just a lift of a finger the same could be said for Sephiroth he's only ever been planetary even Supernova isn't as powerful as people think since it's an illusion and doesn't kill while also being a solar system level attack that comes from a different dimension Bill would easily dodge that and hell he wouldn't even be phased by that
But he was phased by spray paint??
Also time baby has absolutely no defensive stats we can calculate meaning we have absolutely no idea how much damage he can take. That blast could’ve been like a light breeze or the power of the Big Bang. Again, we have no idea
@@luiginumbers6268 Bill destroyed an entire dimension
@@Luco_TA the second dimension, which is infinitely weaker than the 3rd whilst being infinitely stronger than the 1st
@@luiginumbers6268 Bill couldve destroyed this one to probably since he would've took over the universe if not for plot I mean the law of weirdness magnetism
@@Luco_TA except that he couldn’t.
If he could destroy a universe you’re telling me that he couldn’t get past a magnet? He could’ve just blasted his way out of the barrier. There’s also the unicorn hair spell that prevents him from touching a specific area. Limitations like that (as well as no real grasp to the extent of his offensive potency) are what makes me cautious. More so to the fact that his defense is dog water. Like seriously, the only thing he has is regeneration
TBH, I think you really lowballed Bill Cipher here. It was shown that, at his most powerful, Bill Cipher was able to threaten the universe itself, and it was stated by multiple characters in a way that made it seem like more than just hearsay.
yeah, i saw in the physical copy of journal three that ford believes that hes a threat to the multiverse
its also said there that 11d beings fear him
*the multiverse itself…
How
Impossible
the FF7 Devs themselves have stated that Sephiroth is the strongest entity in that universe.
Okay- this raises so many red flags. Sephiroth is Solar System at best while Bill Cipher, at worst, is universal. Not to mention that Bill is monumentally faster than Sephiroth.
In FF7 Remake, Sephiroth is able to write new timelines just by slicing his sword at the end of the game (Zack surviving the battle that should have killed him and bring back Biggs from the dead) and FF7 Rebirth is able learning what Sephiroth did that altered the normal timeline. Bill is hurt by things that realistically shouldn’t hurt him. If you want to upscale Sephiroth then in Final Fantasy Dissidia and Dissidia 012, Sephiroth is able to hurt Shinyru who ate a crystal core which has the power to destroy the Final Fantasy multiverse and it’s infinite dimensions and is superior to Exdeath and Euno both of being able to move in The Void giving them and Sephiroth immeasurable speed.
@@Enxoooo Rebirth cannot be used as evidence since that came out after this battle was made. Plus, I really don’t see evidence that Sephiroth was rewriting time just by swinging.
As for your scaling, everyone playable in those games are capable of hurting him, so that’s some seriously questionable scaling. Especially since trying to win 1 on 1? Forget it- not gonna happen. Not to mention it would make every playable character in the Dissida games multiversal, which is stupid scaling.
Even if that were all true, that wouldn’t matter. A single dimension in the Gravity Falls has an infinite number of universes and multiverses, yet Bill just destroyed the entire second dimension. Bill is literally as high as he can be on the multiversal scale without crossing into hyperversal territory. Not to mention that he just shrugs off a lot of the so called “things” that hurt him. He legit couldn’t die by physical means in the show.
@@Mojo1356 this age like old wine, awful and bad because it’s even confirmed to be canon
@@axillaryclinical that still can’t be used for this fight. Also, name the website that states Sephiroth is more powerful than Bill.
Edit: oh wait. I don’t care for these debates because everyone has to use fake sources citing they are canon to win.
@@Mojo1356 dude I think you’re in your own world if you want to not accept of Canon version of him which you are denying man it’s crazy to say it’s fake Meanwhile it is true and the creator of Final Fantasy seven says it is canon to the series and the remake is canon to say it’s not because you don’t care shows you really are bias to say someone work isn’t even canon though they confirm it to be something you cannot argue against
I just now realized that while Bill was fending off the Supernova the planet got evaporated. I don't know if this was the intention but that might have annihilated the Weirdmaggedon portal cutting Bill off from the Nightmare Realm. Now I'm not sure if you can "blow up a portal" but that might've been a really cool detail if it was.
It's less a portal and more of a rip in space, if anything that blast would make it bigger
@@guardianofthesand9090 Hmm, that's a good point. Was there anywhere in the show where it specified it was a rip in space and less like a portal? I could've sworn I heard portal from somewhere and I did argue portal manipulation in some discussions. I think I might need to rewatch the Stanford reveal episode again.
So bill is just fending off the supernova so it cant destroy the weirdmagedon portal bcs if it got destroyed bill would come back in the nightmare realm.
@@justdrav671 Time baby mentions that it's an outright universe threatening hole in reality. Right before Bill unpersons a literal incarnation of time. Instantly.
The fact that he/she just removed bill's op regeneration (literally from nothing also can regenerate his spirit)and bill's ruthlessness
Uh... Bill Cipher's ability and judgment are too far off here.
Learn more about Bill Cipher
this is impossible.
And Bill Cipher just can't die in the sun
0:21 Sephiroth Analysis
4:55 Bill Cipher Analysis
8:42 Fight
12:12 Conclusion
just another day
killing your demons
Nah We got death battle at home:
In the CANON journals, Bill is stated to b an threat to the gravity falls 11D Multiverse, which is him high-balled, but makes him still infinity times more powerful than Sephiroth
Edge of creation sephiroth is 22D, 12D lifestream plus 10D whispers or harbingers of fates
@@SeferAngeloEspiritus source?
That is kind of a tergiversation of such words
@@73NSH1 12d lifestream is from DoC hojo's secret files... 10D whispers from powerscalers of ff community
@@SeferAngeloEspiritusum is he though he looks 3d to me and he got defeated by 3d humans.
Yeah like with Mewtwo this outcome doesn't make that much sense. Bill is an obscenely powerful reality warper. All the defenses in the world doesn't matter when Bill can just rewrite the rules however he sees fit. I am beginning to think that someone has a Sephiroth bias.
Yeah, both are correct. Sephiroth at peak is also a reality warper, not only that but he has conceptual manipulation, he can just obliterate both Mewtwo and Bill Cipher.
@@unsasakiconsombrero6948 he was never a reality warper.
@@unsasakiconsombrero6948 bros an illusionist with spells and a long sword 💀 mans a whole flash antagonist that follows a dude with a big sword
@@olimarpikmin976 Lmao. At his peak Sephiroth controls the magic, and in FF the magic (not the Materia, the magic itself, Materia is a limited version of the magic) manipulates the reality and even concepts.
@@unsasakiconsombrero6948Bill did the same exact thing though when he ruled gravity falls
Didn't bill destroy a dimension which could be at least a universe?
that's a loaded question
he destroyed the 2nd dimension, a universe with two space dimensions. a universe with 3 space dimensions is infinitely larger than one with two.
@@dinosaurusrex1482 And he was destroying the 3rd dimension as well, just by existing as stated by Time Baby that Bill Cipher just messing around in Gravity Falls was destroying the very fabric of existence. That's universal - frankly I know next to nothing about Sephiroth so I don't know who'd really win, but a supernova wouldn't cut it- especially since I doubt supernovas can harm spirits, while it could destroy Bill's physical form, a supernova wouldn't harm his spirit.
And through statement, Bill should be multiversal+, as Alex Hirsch said he "stood higher" than the Nightmare Realm which he called a multiverse. Though I'm not sure what he meant by "stood higher", if he meant it in a litteral way then Bill should be multiversal+, but if he just meant Bill ruled over it then I don't think that alone makes him Multiversal.
@@cbfranco3307 I mean. >.> Him invoking supernova couldn't even kill the final fantasy 7 cast- so, it's more likely that it's some form of contained remnant, or, an extremely damaging illusion.
You all do know that the only way to kill bill is by trapping him in a mind thats being destroyed or by using a special zodiac otherwise he will just be back in his oven dimension hes a creature of pure energy
Bull is beyond physicalality he is pure energy and cannot be destroyed
"bull"
@@Vxrtxl 🐂
Why do i have a bad feeling that Bill will eventually come back and kill Seph for real this time? He won't hold back and just kill in the spot after the previous interaction that killed him.
Would it have killed you to revoice the ending line so that you could say Crossover Colosseum instead of Super Smackdown?
TRUE
Sephiroth planet level
Bill the entire multiverse
Winner Sephiroth
Yes makes sense
It has never been implemented that Bill destroy has destroy his dimension in just one snap.
Whilst it was said that Bill is a threat to the multiverse, his track record of causing bedlam in one place before moving to another implies its through a crusade-like movement rather than being capable of destroying the whole thing in one single action.
Ahh yes logic
Rel
How is Bill Multi?
Uni is already a high ball
Galaxy makes the most sense for him
Sephiroth is more than planetery lvl, he is like a solar system lvl or even universal at best
I don't know much about gravity falls but probably Bill should've won, even tho Sephi did have an answer to must of his tricks.
idk never watched gravity falls
Nice animation, but otherwise pretty dumb. Bill is far more powerful that Sephiroth. A supernova isnt going to destroy him, and even if it could damage him, he can controll time and space remember? He could literally swap places with Sephiroth and leave him in front of the Supernova, or just reverse the supernova
Boomstick: Like Vergil, and Mewtwo before him, Bill just couldn't decipher Sephiroth.
Wiz: the winner is (once again) Sephiroth
Boomstick: fucking Sephiroth.
They left Bill cipher weak in the end and nerfed him, Bill had Destroyed his dimension because he was bored, do you really think he will lose to a Sun?
When is Captain Falcon vs Pepsi Man coming out?
Here are some fight suggestions. If any of these make it into an episode, I'd lose my shit.
Archie Knuckles vs Juggernaut
Voldemort vs Orochimaru
Scourge the Hedgehog vs Goku Black
Jackie Chan vs Omi (Jackie Chan Adventures vs Xiaolin Showdown)
Who would win(my opinion)
Archie Knuckles
Orochimaru
Scourge
And i think jackie chan
@@Inky-Moon i feel like juggernaut would win and im an knuckles guy
Btw i respect your opinion
@@iceshingodzillachannel Well Knuckles has a Big strenght.. Hell even one time his strenght scaled to Sonic's Speed.
I’m only here because I was scrolling through my subscriptions to find some weird rife cafe mlp reviewer group account that I thought was some weird dream because I remember it being a weird thing that existed but the memory was foggy like a dream, you’re channel name sounded interesting so a clicked on it
Wonder what's next? This was greatly done
Awesome fight I don’t know why it was reposted? I honestly think bill should’ve win but oh well it a fun animation tho
A-X-O-L-O-T-L My Time Has Come To Burn I Invoke The Ancient Power So I May Return are bill’s last words backwards before his death by the hands of Sephiroth also nice Gravity Falls Reference
cool animation,Result was wrong tho.Bill would not be decimated by the sun,it would take something far more universe altering
Considering the fact that this the third character that Sephiroth defeated in a VS fight.
(The first one being Vergil in Death Battle and second being Mewtwo in Smash Bracket.)
I think the three of them should start a support group. As for Bill Cipher losing...
At least he'll get another chance in a VS fight with Discord from My Little Pony: Friendship
is Magic on Death Battle.
I'm sorry, that's an actual Death Battle happening?
This is like death battle, But better, I love how every fight is a sprite animation, I love this channel so much, Keep up the good work!
I am super late to this, but thank you so much for the kindness! I have a ton of fun writing and making these. Also I hate to burst your bubble, but we do have some hand drawn and 3D animations coming up… but they are super cool I swear 😂
no they are equal
Bill cipher could just turn his brain to mush
Size huh thanks for the tip
Okay whoever is doing that bill impression is killing it lmao
Anyone else feel like this is just knockoff DEATH BATTLE?
Death battle didn't invent versus debating, but yes it is very much a death battle inspired show.
Please, all Supernova would do to Bill is give him a suntan.
Even if we took bill as a multiversal plus being he would still lose as supernova was downplayed too as the description of the attack states it is an attack that obliterates every dimension except for the one cloud and the party is in the gravity falls multiverse is around 10000 dimensions which some of them are only small planet sized statements and the final fantasy multiverse which is nearly infinite so even with bill is multiversal+ logic he still loses
He can only die if he was erased while he is in someone's head 💀
Yet Bill transcends fiction via just 1 Weirdness Bubble, meaning all dimensions of Final Fantasy would just be ignored as Bill has interacted with the 4th Wall and higher degrees such as rewriting Creator-Written intros. Heck- Seprioth would be canonically weaker as he exists part of Disney's vast reality/multiverse through Kingdom Hearts which Bill would automatically transcend in the same reason Popeye wiped out Saitama.
@@Rathalos2428 while that is hilarious I think of these things like donkey Kong punching the moon out of orbit it is just a joke feat and should not be taken seriously also promoting crypto immediately strips you of all power but yeah solid point
@@imnotcalamari6547 to think that joke feats are kind of reality warper's things i think it's just funny that dk of all characters punched the moon lmao
@@imnotcalamari6547 And? How is it a joke feat when compared to Bill destroying Time Baby across timelines, or the Journal stating Bill is a threat and scares 11D Creatures who are 1 Dimension short from transcending fiction?
I loved Bill doing the Omni man reference😂😂🤣🤣
start of the fight 8:32
Yo that dubbed anime thing was creative asf
11:29 not the Hal Jordan vs Ben 10 reference 😕
Also, as of 2024- Book of Bill just confirmed that Bill can survive being *Conceptually Unperson'd*.
Seriously though how did they think this made sense?!
Strange that now we are getting similar animation from death battle... discord vs bill cipher. This was the 2nd time bill was against someone with good quality animation (bill vs sans was first)
Jesus christ he’s doing it with CC.
Thank God is back
It required wiping Bill from Stanley's mind to at minimal to reduce his power by an extreme degree. Even that didn't get rid of him.
A Super Nova wouldn't do s**t to Bill Cipher. Even if his body was destroyed he'd just make a new one.
Strange how u used flandre's theme song..... in the analysis of Bill cipher
Didn't the video said that supernova is a long move? Shouldn't Bill be able to desintegrate Sephirot like he did with Time Baby before supernova activates? I'm asking because I never played final fantasy before so I wanna know the answer.
Sephiroth gets beaten up by 2 plumbers
You got the point
Funny how both those plumbers also kick bill ciphers @$$
@@Grim340explain.
this is really well made!! but bill would definitely win
I like the death battle references
I disagree. Bill has way more powerful feats than Sephiroth. He has beaten universe level threats and also has way more experience than Sephiroth since he's trillions of years old.
You majority downplayed bills speed here. Due to him having complete control of time, which would make him infinite in speed. However assuming that hes powers work exactly like time babies, than he should be of immeasurable speed due to time travel abilities. So he should easily be able to dodge sephorath's final attack. Also due to his complete control over space and matter, he could simply get bigger, or phase through the nova. He could literally become 10 times bigger than the explosion. And this is all without stating that time baby said that due to him tearing a rip in space time, he literally could destroy existence which Is a reference to the multiverse. Making him multiversal+ in power. A measly swordsmen who's solar system at best shouldn't stand a CHANCE
also first bill summoned weirdmegedon and then he summoned his physical form. This would therefore mean that as long as weird megedon is active bill can keep recreating his form, and that's if he cant regenerate from the blast.
I love how you entered bill cypher over some cold pizza 😂😂 9:16
i know the doritos chip should've won but you did well with bill personality
bill is universal at his weakest man
I really would love to see a death battle system colosseum where you have every link fight one another to figure out who is the strongest. Hero of time link would probably win if you're going with the rules of having the links have every item they've ever had but it'd still be really cool
"You're a Child Playing God" Um... Your right Actually, According to Bill Himself, he's a Teenager.
So Bill didn't work... Release Mario & Luigi...
To those people saying bill was lowballed or that he would win in a fight, remember that his battle IQ is crap, he’s had trouble catching up to two kids and defeating people while he had power over gravity and also control time, space, and matter.
that is just one stat, pretty much nothing sephiroth does would be able to damage bill and bill would eventually win
@@eugenekrabs141lol news flash in final fantasy the four heroes of light, theres a secret boss who has toonforce ability and toonforce ability can be hurt by magic and special job skills lol
@@SeferAngeloEspiritus lol news flash toon force is the ability to do anything thats funny, so if it was funny that boss would just delete the characters from existence and therefore whatever boss that was did not actually have toon force
@@eugenekrabs141 lol too bad ff characters are immune to existence erasure lol
@@eugenekrabs141 lol too bad ff characters are immune to existence erasure lol
honestly bill would still win
9:53 Invincible reference?
Alternative Title:Sephiroth Vs Bill Cipher (Square Enix Vs Disney) | Crossover Colosseum
8:42 the fight begins
Ah, the video, where Bill Cipher took his first OTHER L (since he did take his first L and uttered the Axolotl). Gonna watch Bill Cipher vs Discord after it lol
Both are fun
9:32 Fucking called me out.
Alright finished the rest. While the conclusion is, in my opinion, pretty flawed, I still enjoyed the ride. Bill wasn't mentioned as a being of pure energy nor the fact that he's only been beaten by being trapped in a place he willingly went. He's been classified cannonically as a universal threat in the least and immortal, so dying to an attack that was pre-established to be an illusion in a pocket dimension, even though he would've been fine after it and then left said pocket, falls flat.
Regardless, the humor, voice work, animation, writing, and references were all top notch.
Isn't Sephiroth solar system level? 😑 Bruh the lowballing.
Complex Multiversal- outerversal via scaling to exdeath and shinryu who could destroy the entire ff cosmology above anything bill’s fodder @$$ could do and no 11D Bill is not legit
I personally think bill would win considering he can literally one-shot time baby which is the ruler of time tbh and it is stated he can destroy the infinite multiverse of the gravity falls dimension but I can agree that he would beat bill in durability considering bill hasn’t shown a lot of durability feats. However this just doesn’t scale to higher dimensionality! Bill is stated to be 7D *LOWBALL* being able to destroy solar systems with absolute ease is impressive but bill is higher dimensional so it wouldn’t even be close!
Here’s how the fight would actually go:
Bill:disassembles his molecules
Sephiroth: *dies*
(Great animation btw)
the only way bill ever died was when his soul was destroyed. bill would delete sephiroth
Can't bill just regenerate humself from nothing
Was the intro changed?
Edit : oh shit he deleted the original lol
So many Bill Cipher fanboys are crying about how Bill should've won,but with a highballed Bill vs a Highballed Sephiroth,Sephiroth would win since you can scale FF to Outer(or so I hear)
If we go off solely feats,sure,Bill might win,but if we go with the nuance and stuff,the roles are reversed. This is my opinion though lmao
This feels inaccurate. Keep in mind that bill legit DESTROYED AND ENTIRE DIMENSION. Yes, Sephiroth can use supernova, but he can’t destroy entire dimensions, we also didn’t see his time travel abilities, he could have frozen time and cut sephiroth in half.
There is an argument for bill too win this but it has been stated by bill himself that he was “overstuffing his resume” for time baby and that he isn’t all powerful. The limit of bills powers are obvious and he has been defeated by beings on a much lower level despite being supposedly omnipotent . As for the dimension thing. It’s not quantifiable and is never stated wether he literally destroyed the entire dimension or just every living thing in it. It’s also never stated wether he did this over time or all in one blast. The time stop could also be countered by some of the time stop spells sephiroph uses and the only time we see bill stop time is when he’s first summoned and we never see him do it again. It’s also possible that time only stopped in that area and does not affect people as mable and Soose were not frozen despite not being part of the ritual. Bills a bit overhyped in the community and theirs not a lot of evidence explaining half the stuff people say he can do. Heck he died in the show from having his spirit/energy erased meaning anything that attacks the soul could potentially kill him. That means theirs a good number of characters who could beat bill.
@@Doghero780 idk bro. We might not even have seen all of bills power in the show. There might be more we don’t know of. And yes, bill destroyed his dimesnion and burned it down supposedly. He nearly took over the 3rd dimension but he was miraculously “killed” people don’t take into consideration that if Stan’s mind was un erased, that would mean that bill was un erased as well along with his memories.
@@elfelin_the_gamblr5077 except he wasn’t resurrected and Stan has his memories back. We also can’t use stuff he could theoretically do without proof. With dragon ball characters for instance we can safely assume that if one character was able to achieve a certain strength or speed feat in an earlier season and future characters became stronger than that character in that moment then we can safely assume they could do it also. Bill has no other character similar in power to compare to except time baby and we already established that he wasn’t being truthful about him. The 3rd dimension is our dimension by the way so I’m not sure why you didn’t just say our dimension. He was killed because his spiritual essence or form is vulnerable which is why he relys on a physical form. You also didn’t debunk anything I said. I watched the show as well man if I could remember anything that would give bill omnipotence I’d give it to him but he’s not omnipotent and we only have his word to go by with no evidence to prove it.
@@Doghero780 we don’t know if he was resurrected or not, he might have but we just don’t know.
@@elfelin_the_gamblr5077 neither do we know if he can backup his statements. A conclusion can not be made without evidence and bill has little evidence of his so called omnipotence.
Isn’t bill like uni level?
Hyperversal💀
@@minecraftgalaxy195 "Hyperversal"
LMAO, STOP OVERRATING BILL.
@@minecraftgalaxy195no, he has never shown that
@@DarthGoj1954 I mean in journal 3 in gravity falls it said that ford witnessed bill wipe multiple multiverse as a joke also said that if weirdamgedin succeeded it would of ended everything all dimensions and all reality so I wouldn’t say that exactly overrating him
@@RandomName12345 Low Complex Multiversal Feat, LOL.
Bill Cipher is a trillions year old near Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnipresent God who is capable of altering reality in almost any way you can possibly imagine. He obliterated the ruler of time without trying and destroyed his own dimension out of boredom. There is no way that a mere swordsman and a simple star exploding have beat bill. With his ability to do almost anything imaginable, he cud just.
1. Erase Sephiroth's entire skillset.
2. Grow way bigger than the galacy in which Bill's hand would be hundreds of lightyears large and easily kill sephiroth.
3. He could just phase through the supernova then blink his eyes and Sephiroth turns into a triple chocolate cheesecake.
4. He cud just stop time and give a powerful hit to sephiroth and resume time
Plus 99 percent of the fight was Bill messing with Sephiroth while Sephiroth was trying to beat bill.
The fight isnt correct at all.
Damn sephiroth didn't even transform
Didn’t there used to be a trailer at the end of this video showing characters like deadshot vs bullseye and Gengar vs King boo
Axolotl: nuh uh bring him back
But… Bill can’t die in the physical world…
Bro...
Sephiroth is no match for Bill
What were you thinking?
Bill can destroy him in any way possible and he gets killed by a sun?
Unaceptable
I appreciate your opinion… But you’re wrong…
Though Bill Cypher was undoubtedly lowballed I don’t mind seeing him get burned. That being said there’s no way the supernova coulda killed bill. They may have to go the Sonic Vs. Fox route and redo this video
Yes I want a rematch
Yep this reads like a comment from Dipper lmao.
Not the time huh reference
Bill Cypher is German 🇩🇪
@@Endgame707what
NOT THE SONIC BILL XD
This is isn’t even close bill slams him, bill literally destroyed his dimension cuz he was feeling a bit bored
Can we get your make on Kirby vs Majin Buu?
Take*
Final Fantasy 7 vs Gravity Falls
Suggestion
The Merc With A Mouth
Vs
The Clown Prince of Crime
Deadpool vs The Joker
Do master chief Vs Captain America
This would be fun
u are so good underrated
Bill could come back from being physical and spiritually being erased😂 and you let him loosw to a supernova that he couldve thanos snapped away FAM do you even knlw how powerfull bill is you even said yourself that bill himself doesnt even know powerfull he is considering knowone could ever match him
I’m sorry but out of all your posts from both smash bracket and this channel this is the most inaccurate bs I’ve seen I don’t wanna be rude but sephiroth??? Beating bill? Your life of your mind
no hold up
they both lose different chars
from different universes with different rules they aren't gonna fight cause they dont meet
brodi didnt bill destroy a being existing in every place in every timeline and could destroy timelines yet bil shot a finger laser at him and eviserated him?