Just purchased a 5070 2 months ago. Have an HP 365 and Roland VS640. I will admit the Epson is the smartest best built printer. Pantones hit their mark. Awesome print quality. Automated maintenance and head strike aversion. Been around printers since Scotchprint Electrostatic and this machine has driven in a new standard
You're right, side-by-side print test is the best comparison. Unfortunately it doesn't translate well over video. Please send us a file and we'll have both printed and mailed to you: info@itsupplies.com
In your best estimation, do you foresee a newer version of the 5070 down the line that separates overcoat from the ink formulation like HP did moving from the 3 series to the 700/800/630? I have concerns that since this is a 1st generation resin printer that Epson may not have learned from HP's initial faux pas of including overcoat in the ink for scratch protection and thus created something that won't bond to overlaminates longterm just like HP did with the gen 3 inks on the 300 series printers. Have you done any pull tests of laminate on resin prints? Is it as strong a bond as solvent prints or latex 4 series inks with the overcoat off? Sorry for the wall of questions!
Hey @thesmuuuuggh, we'd recommend giving one of our commercial printing experts a call 1-800-771-9665. They can walk you through the differences and nitty gritty details. Additionally, they can work with you on a demo or sample prints.
How does the Epson ink hold up to the torture's of vehicle wrapping? How far can we stretch the material before the color shifts? Will the color come back with heat?
Hi Dave, great questions. We have customers who are very happy using the the Resin for vehicle wraps. Ink elasticity is one of its strengths. That said, shoot us an email at info@itsupplies.com and we'll print some samples that you can stretch and test.
A few years ago we looked at Epson S40600 and the HP equivalent. We ended up with the Epson purely based on color accuracy. When it is time to upgrade we will be evaluating Resin.
@@azatmexperts5538 We haven't had any complaints. We aren't a heavy user, some days we don't use it at all and most days we just run a couple posters on it. Occasionally we run big jobs. I haven't got any complaints about it. The color consistency is fantastic and the quality and vibrancy is also extremely impressive. We haven't had any issues with it mechanically.
cant compare a Epson solvent printer to this... You literally have to wait 6-24 hours to laminate your prints. With the HP latex you can laminate instantly.
Hey James, Thanks for your comment. Color consistency was a major focus for HP with their new Latex 700 and 800 line. Epson's Resin and it's micropiezo print head also addresses color accuracy and consistency. We'd love to help you test both printers, shoot us an email at info@itsupplies.com.
@@ITSuppliesINC Yeah, I hear that HP supposedly addressed these concerns with newer products, but they should've done right by those of us who already invested in their technology rather than making MORE promises and demanding we give them another chance at our expense. I loved our HP L25500's, but the 570 we replaced them with should've been recalled and replaced with something that actually works. Our 570 has been a problem child since day one and I've wasted uncountable amounts of media, ink, and time dealing with it. I know I'm not the only one, either. I'll happily give my business to anyone but HP next time.
@@HubbAeroplane yikes. I believe in second chances but as a beginner looking to purchase a hp latex 800w for 21k i want to do as much research as possible. What are some similar alternatives to this model? Thanks in advance and also, I hear him say it would cost 20k+ and 127 print heads to get the same amount of prints out the HP as the Epson. Thats shocking and sounds like a typo its so expensive
I would also be interested in how the Epson prints on backlit translucent vinyl compared to the latex inks? This has been a challenging product type to produce with good results.
Most important features that are missing from this video are: 1) Epson use variable dot ink tech starting from 3.5pl , when HP use single ink dot of 10pl, and the second is resolution where Epson have 1200x2400dpi and HP have 1200x1200dpi.
Thank you for the feedback, those are definitely important features to note as well! This video was just the starting point for evaluating Epson Resin vs HP Latex, both printers have much to offer!
We constantly get unique materials to test in our demo center from customers like yourself. If you're interested, please reach out to info@itsupplies.com and ask for a commercial sales rep. We can work with you to test your material on both printers to see if its possible. Hope to hear from you soon!
That is a very good question. We have the same problem with our HP latex printers. Someone needs to explain why is this happening and is it the same with epson too. I just ordered my 5070 and if it does the same that would be such disappointment...
Hello Ahmet, There are several factors that can lead to a print "delaming" from the graphic. One variable to consider is the print itself. HP Ink must be fully cured before laminating. Each media has a specific curing temperature for the ink that's laid onto the surface. Factors built into profiles like, pass mode, ink density, and curing temperatures all play a critical role in a print fully curing. If end users are following the guidelines of the media manufacturer and overlaminate manufacturer you shouldn't see these issues occurring with either ink technology from HP latex or Epson resin.
Had a hp570 for 6 years. If i print anything then the same job the next month. It just won't be the same color. I've heard only good things about epsons colors being the same even a year later. i'm switching to a epson R5070 and a S80600L
EPSON is known for its color consistency. When you're ready to talk about a solution that's best for you, give us a call at 1-800-771-9665! We'd be happy to help!
Thanks for the feedback! We aim to make our videos clear and informative, but we’ll definitely take your note on pacing into account for future content. Appreciate you watching and letting us know how we can improve!
Hello Shuaster, please send your information to info@itsupplies.com and we'd be happy to connect you to a commercial sales rep to print your sample prints.
Hi Sezgin, we have not heard of this being an issue on either platform. We're glad to run samples for you to confirm your specific substrate and laminate will adhere. Please give us a call at 1-800-771-9665 or email us at info@itsupplies.com to get that set up!
Just purchased a 5070 2 months ago. Have an HP 365 and Roland VS640. I will admit the Epson is the smartest best built printer. Pantones hit their mark. Awesome print quality. Automated maintenance and head strike aversion. Been around printers since Scotchprint Electrostatic and this machine has driven in a new standard
Is it better than the s60600 or s80600. Thanks
It would had been great if you had printed something out so we can see the differences first hand.
You're right, side-by-side print test is the best comparison. Unfortunately it doesn't translate well over video. Please send us a file and we'll have both printed and mailed to you: info@itsupplies.com
In your best estimation, do you foresee a newer version of the 5070 down the line that separates overcoat from the ink formulation like HP did moving from the 3 series to the 700/800/630? I have concerns that since this is a 1st generation resin printer that Epson may not have learned from HP's initial faux pas of including overcoat in the ink for scratch protection and thus created something that won't bond to overlaminates longterm just like HP did with the gen 3 inks on the 300 series printers. Have you done any pull tests of laminate on resin prints? Is it as strong a bond as solvent prints or latex 4 series inks with the overcoat off? Sorry for the wall of questions!
Hey @thesmuuuuggh, we'd recommend giving one of our commercial printing experts a call 1-800-771-9665. They can walk you through the differences and nitty gritty details. Additionally, they can work with you on a demo or sample prints.
How does the Epson ink hold up to the torture's of vehicle wrapping? How far can we stretch the material before the color shifts? Will the color come back with heat?
Hi Dave, great questions. We have customers who are very happy using the the Resin for vehicle wraps. Ink elasticity is one of its strengths. That said, shoot us an email at info@itsupplies.com and we'll print some samples that you can stretch and test.
A few years ago we looked at Epson S40600 and the HP equivalent. We ended up with the Epson purely based on color accuracy. When it is time to upgrade we will be evaluating Resin.
That's great to hear. We'd love to help you when it comes time to evaluate the Resin!
How has the Epson performed now that you've had it for a while?
@@azatmexperts5538 We haven't had any complaints. We aren't a heavy user, some days we don't use it at all and most days we just run a couple posters on it. Occasionally we run big jobs. I haven't got any complaints about it. The color consistency is fantastic and the quality and vibrancy is also extremely impressive. We haven't had any issues with it mechanically.
cant compare a Epson solvent printer to this... You literally have to wait 6-24 hours to laminate your prints. With the HP latex you can laminate instantly.
@@scott8193 we have always laminated after 4 hours, which was what our rep recommended. Never had any issues.
As an HP L570 user for the last 4 years, I'd say that it would be hard for Epson to be any WORSE than HP for color accuracy and consistency.
Hey James, Thanks for your comment. Color consistency was a major focus for HP with their new Latex 700 and 800 line. Epson's Resin and it's micropiezo print head also addresses color accuracy and consistency. We'd love to help you test both printers, shoot us an email at info@itsupplies.com.
@@ITSuppliesINC Yeah, I hear that HP supposedly addressed these concerns with newer products, but they should've done right by those of us who already invested in their technology rather than making MORE promises and demanding we give them another chance at our expense. I loved our HP L25500's, but the 570 we replaced them with should've been recalled and replaced with something that actually works. Our 570 has been a problem child since day one and I've wasted uncountable amounts of media, ink, and time dealing with it. I know I'm not the only one, either. I'll happily give my business to anyone but HP next time.
jumping in on this thread; have you had any issues with your 570 with the ink not being distributed when replacing the 3L ink on the bottom?
@@neptunesdesign8510 Do you mean if you replace the ink while it's printing, or just that you're having issues after you replace the bulk boxes?
@@HubbAeroplane yikes. I believe in second chances but as a beginner looking to purchase a hp latex 800w for 21k i want to do as much research as possible. What are some similar alternatives to this model? Thanks in advance and also, I hear him say it would cost 20k+ and 127 print heads to get the same amount of prints out the HP as the Epson. Thats shocking and sounds like a typo its so expensive
I would also be interested in how the Epson prints on backlit translucent vinyl compared to the latex inks? This has been a challenging product type to produce with good results.
Reach out to a sales rep and we'll run sample prints for you! Our phone number is 1-800-771-9665.
Most important features that are missing from this video are: 1) Epson use variable dot ink tech starting from 3.5pl , when HP use single ink dot of 10pl, and the second is resolution where Epson have 1200x2400dpi and HP have 1200x1200dpi.
Thank you for the feedback, those are definitely important features to note as well! This video was just the starting point for evaluating Epson Resin vs HP Latex, both printers have much to offer!
Anyone have experience with printing on backlit fabric, like Pongs Artist Mambo?
We constantly get unique materials to test in our demo center from customers like yourself. If you're interested, please reach out to info@itsupplies.com and ask for a commercial sales rep. We can work with you to test your material on both printers to see if its possible. Hope to hear from you soon!
On the Signs101 forum, I read a lot of delamination problems on Latex printed wraps. Does Epson's resin have a similar issues?
That is a very good question. We have the same problem with our HP latex printers. Someone needs to explain why is this happening and is it the same with epson too. I just ordered my 5070 and if it does the same that would be such disappointment...
Hello Ahmet, There are several factors that can lead to a print "delaming" from the graphic. One variable to consider is the print itself. HP Ink must be fully cured before laminating. Each media has a specific curing temperature for the ink that's laid onto the surface. Factors built into profiles like, pass mode, ink density, and curing temperatures all play a critical role in a print fully curing. If end users are following the guidelines of the media manufacturer and overlaminate manufacturer you shouldn't see these issues occurring with either ink technology from HP latex or Epson resin.
@@sezgindervisoglu8490which is good - hp latex or Epson resin? Thanks
Had a hp570 for 6 years. If i print anything then the same job the next month. It just won't be the same color. I've heard only good things about epsons colors being the same even a year later. i'm switching to a epson R5070 and a S80600L
EPSON is known for its color consistency. When you're ready to talk about a solution that's best for you, give us a call at 1-800-771-9665! We'd be happy to help!
Why do all these explainer videos require you to play it at 1.5x speed to get it to normal listening speed?
Thanks for the feedback! We aim to make our videos clear and informative, but we’ll definitely take your note on pacing into account for future content. Appreciate you watching and letting us know how we can improve!
I want sample prints and tests give me something to sell to my clients.
Hello Shuaster, please send your information to info@itsupplies.com and we'd be happy to connect you to a commercial sales rep to print your sample prints.
Any word on delamination? Is this a common issue in the latex world?
Hi Sezgin, we have not heard of this being an issue on either platform. We're glad to run samples for you to confirm your specific substrate and laminate will adhere. Please give us a call at 1-800-771-9665 or email us at info@itsupplies.com to get that set up!