29MPGs x 50Gallons =1450 miles per tank. EPA needs to reconsider their non-environmental friendly crap they put on these machines. Oh another thing, love the fact that we are saving the planet by filling the DEF fluid from non-reusable plastic jugs. Government efficiency and brains at it's finest. Fine people that roll coal, let everyone else enjoy a hard working truck
This is the reason the epa has vilified diesels and created horseshit regulations. The same reason why the rest of the world has 5 times the choices for diesels in every vehicle segment except North America.
@@darkirondiesel roughly how much is this delete kit in Canada? Including labor, parts, tune, exhaust etc. All in please? Thanks, great videos, keep it up!!
Up to 90% more particulate matter is a lot for the lifetime of many humans. A few extra MPGs is not worth sacrificing health and quality of life for so many others
@@BenjaminJones-q5i Def is all a scam so your truck won't last as long and you will always be in the shop. The soot is actually heavy and falls to the ground and electric batteries for cars is way worse for the environment the media got you brainwashed
Hello Leland Holton, what year truck? I have a 2021 and 2nd time in the shop for DEF system. I am a small business owner and cannot be down. I put on about 50,000 miles a year and would love to know who did the modified stock tune? Looking for better MPG and less problems. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
That's a much bigger difference than I ever would have guessed. Some of it may be deleting the exhaust gas recirculation valve,(EGR) and some might be restriction in the DPF. While those parts are off, you might see if it's possible to flow test, clean, or perhaps, just replace it. With the straight pipe exhaust, I could really hear the "whistle" if the turbocharger. The black smoke happens for the same reason, you feel the "snappy" throttle response. With the factory tune, it measures boost pressure, not allowing the injection pump to inject too much fuel, for the amount of air available to burn it. With the aftermarket tune, the pump squirts in the amount of fuel indicated by throttle position, regardless of boost. It smokes, until the turbo has time to "catch up". Don't use an aftermarket tune with the exhaust in place, because it will quickly foul the DPF. Using similar to a factory tune with the delete will eliminate the puff of black smoke, but, the throttle will feel more like stock. (sluggish, by comparison)You will, however, keep the good fuel economy, and the power. For the next experiment, try deleting the EGR, but leave the DPF and SCR in place. While the truck will feel "stock", it might gain the fuel efficiency, and, I think, will actually make the DPF last longer, and regenerate less frequently.
What was this customer’s ticket? Total cost of parts and install. Have the exact same truck. Thinking of doing the same but still hanging onto the warranty at 27k miles. Thx for the vid
It would be interesting to find out which delete made the bigger difference and what impact tuning alone would do. Myself, I’d really like to turf the EGR. As for DEF, I see the environmental positives but once my warranty is gone I’m thinking delete that too.
EGR is just the worst idea they ever had. 100% delete that first. What is does is reduce Nitrogen Oxide well there is a far superior way to reduce NOx called Selective Catalytic Reduction with DEF Injection into an SCR CAT. These trucks shouldn't even have EGR and rely 100% or SCR.
Doesn't your programmer / monitor allow you to adjust the tire size ? The Edge program I had in a previous truck allowed me to change when I did the lift and went up to 38" tires.
So crazy. Its getting the same MPG as a 5.9 but with TWICE the HP and torque! The throttle response on stock 68s is so maddeningly frustrating. I love this, ahem, "small modification"!
@@robertryan7204 rolling coal is the exact reason we have the epa coming down so hard on diesel pickup shops in the first place so yeah rolling coal woohoo awesome now look it's dumbasses doing shit like that everywhere that caused this crap if people would get a delete and a good time without everyone....aka the smog police seeing these pickups blowing black smoke everywhere we could have stayed under the radar but fuck no couldn't do that now it's getting harder and harder to get anything done because dumbasses
Rolling coal is retarded and I see kids always in duramax around me doing it. But I think our government used it as an excuse to take more rights away and jack up truck prices another 20k. They are also doing everything in their liberal quack abilities to destroy anything resembling American masculinity. Today we have 30 different genders and 10 year olds taking puberty blockers. Its time for a government reset, this bs has gone too far.
Thanks for representing the reliability and fuel economy guys. We don't all want deleted trucks to roll coal. I would love to do this but I'm in the US.
I like how you did everything so that I can easily be put back and work when needed. In my area if you register your truck commercial there are no emissions at this point in time. I’ve been buying and driving older trucks just to avoid all the mileage and lack of reliability of emissions equipped trucks as well as I drive stick only. So picking have been slim. This info opens horizons alittle. Thank you.
Great video! I dont get the view the EPA has on def... Lets put something on trucks that makes them get worse mileage so they have to use more fuel. And then have to put stuff in another tank that will get spilled and has plastic drums they will just throw away and put more plastic in the land fills. Doesn't make any sense to me what so ever.
Government gets tax money off of the diesel you buy as well. Not to mention the cost associated with all the emissions being tacked onto the truck for taxes. It's all about the money while looking like they care for the environment
Yes you have some crazy regulations in the US. diesel vehicles get a lot better mpg outside the US although they have a lot of of Anti pollution gear on them
Have you got chance to delete any of the new half ton diesels? I have a 2020 Silverado with the 3.0 duramax. Just curious what it would sound like deleted.
Need help/info, it's been years since I had a diesel last one was on a 99 Ford F250 so I have been educating myself via various videos. I now understand all the new emmision bs that involves deleting. That being said I am in the process of purchasing a 2019 Ram 3500 that has been deleted. It should arrive at my local dealership in the next few days coming from Dallas Tx. Question is knowing that it has been reprogrammed for the delete that was done are there issues when bringing into a dealership for service. If the dealership connects it to their system will it wipe out the delete program, will this cripple the truck? I have a superchip programmer on my 5.7 hemi and I know that I have to return to stock before going in for service. Just need help in understanding Thanks in advance.
I'm really curious if you are allowed to mention where you get your EFI Live tunes from, it seems almost impossible to find someone reputable anymore to do them
Check out ATS. They make a BOLT ON kit for the allison transmission for Cummins. No cutting grinding fabrication nothing. Just bolt the bitch on. Cummins Allison unstoppable.
What are your thoughts with leaving the exhaust brake on 24/7. I keep my 5th gen Jake brake on all of the time. If nothing else, to reduce wear and tear on my brakes
I've always wondered if you were able to do an actual emissions comparison between stock and a deleted truck with a tune set for fuel economy, not to roll coal at every stoplight, and accounting for the increase in fuel milage would the emissions be substantially different? We know the EGR/SCR/DPF setup increases wear and tear on the motor and decreases fuel milage so I wonder if when you account for the increased fuel usage is all of the mandated emissions junk really making that much of a difference on the total emissions per tank of fuel or are the EPA numbers based purely on the instantaneous emissions. Does that make sense?
Getting better fuel mileage increases emissions because you're burning the fuel more efficiently, creating more fumes. Modern cars are a balancing act between good mpg and low emissions. Basically, they lower emissions by passing unburnt fuel through the exhaust. I tuned my gas truck and got better gas mileage. The trade off is that I create more emissions. Not a problem for me because I live in a free state. Another issue is that my o2 sensors and catalytic converter will probably need replaced sooner than usual.
Can you enlighten me on the tune you used, as well as getting around the factory gateway firewall? I manage a government fleet and my scan tools wont even allow me to program my aftermarket tpms sensors..aargh! Great video
Any new changes with the 2022 RAM 2500 that would cause any new problems/issues with a delete & tune vs a 2019/2020 for example? Have you or anyone else here done a 2022 successfully? Just want to know if there's anything special to be on the lookout for. Thx!
Good video bro. I did delete to my 2015 3500 6.7 last year and I'm super happy since, I'm making between 24 and 30 miles per gallon @ speed between 60 to 67 mph.
Deleted and tuned my 2016 yesterday and oh my gosh what a difference in power, throttle response, and fuel mileage. Before it averaged 16mpg. On the way into work today it got. 23mpg. I have awoke a sleeping giant.
Great video! I noticed your "check gauges" light is illuminated. Is that permanent because of the delete? Also, do you guys do deletes at your shop? I have a '22 Dodge that I want deleted as soon as possible.
If you don't do a quick learn on the 68RFE after flashing, you need to keep your foot out of it until the trans relearns. High rates of clutch failures if you pour the coals to it before it learns where the shift timing and line pressures need to be for solid shifts without slip.
Nice channel man, subbed. I actually have a friend who had bought a truck with deletions and added them back on and then processed To make his truck super quiet with more insulation. To each their own, I like the loudness more. He had a charter buiness so he picks up his clients and doesn’t want them to get that trucking feel when bringing them to the docks, but he has a tune on it and said the back pressure is even better with the exhaust plugged up, does this sound right to you guys??
Hello Dark Iron, So does the delete do anything to our warranty? Cause I have a 21 ram dually limited edition and I want to delete it so bad, but do know if this would void my warranty. Any info would be greatly appreciated
After a dpf/egr delete, expect your warranty to be voided on anything under the hood (engine-wise). However, sometimes it comes down to the relationship you have with your local dealership service mgr. I've been doing specific mods on my 2500, and my service mgr told me as long as any defect wasn't caused directly by any of my modifications, then they would honor the warranty. I paid extra for extended warranty and would be stupid of me to compromise that. But soon as my warranty expires - I'll be rollin coal... 😁
Another interesting point is how long it takes for the delete to pay for itself. If you know the MPG increase after delete, then you can find how many miles it would take to recoup the delete cost.
well its not just about the increased fuel mileage. getting rid of all that emmions stuff will save you money from it being in the shop and having to buy def.
@@nathanperez7559 my truck was in the shop 6 times for particulate filter problems so they finally replaced the whole system. 2 weeks later I deleted it. Best money ever spent. Better response, mpg, and no more $ on DEF.
Exactly why I keep my federal emissions standard 03 Lb7 no cat or EGR from factory banks big hoss bundle six gun,super scoop intake, 4" all the way out. 35" BFG CCLB 20 mpg to Vegas smog legal in CA.
Brother, I have a 2021 ram 2500 6.7 that I am getting deleted/tuned on Friday. The truck has 950 miles on it. I am so ready for the delete but at the same time I am sick to my stomach about my warranty. Uhhhhhhh, I guess the sick feeling will go away when I hear it, and see the mpg increase.
@@tonysketch other than transmission pretty much anything that would go down during warranty is going to be emissions related which most likely warranty won't cover anyway
That is my dream truck, color, wheels, mega cab and everything. I'd be so afraid to lose warranty though, then again I'll probably never be able to afford one new haha so a used one might be out of warranty anyway
That is funny. When you made that right turn I knew exactly you were as I live in the next town over to the left of that turn haha. Glad to know you are local as my daughter is looking into getting a diesel and so am I.
I have a 2018 Cummins 6.7 deleted and I’m getting 19-21mpg, if I drive 55mph on the highway which I don’t because I would get passed like a idiot in Dallas traffic, I could get 30mpg
Good video. I have a 2011 2500 and it came deleted. So unfortunately I have no idea the tune, studs anything except for what I see and don't see. I love how it sounds like a race car! I agree about the smoke with anything newer than a 97 anyway. Sadly my exhaust brake quit and I'm hoping it's a censor or the actuator. I miss it! I'll be upgrading to a fifth gen after someone else puts 200k on it first. Then I can afford it! It'll be my third one.
8:57 And THAT'S awful! "Rolling coal" is what destroys public perception of diesels. And now with RAM caught doing a VW-style Dieselgate... Yet people wonder why diesels are hard (and expensive) to come by...
8:58 yeah I was surprised to see it rolling coal like that because at this point the tune and everything was still 100% stock right? Well there is our reason why the Particulate Filters cause so much problems: It should never have to deal with that much smoke in the first place.
deleted my diesel two weeks ago, you put it just right when you said "its like a wave pushing you". im just running a 65hp tune and the fuel economy is unreal im getting 7-8L/100km.
Hey buddy I have a question for you. I have a 2019 ram just like that I ordered a EFI live tuner from diesel dudes and I would like to remove it whenever I would like and put it to stock. Is that possible with the EFI live autocal ? Thanks man keep on doing sick videos
Pumping exhaust gas back to engine, same thing like you putting shit on plate and eat ! All military trucks and generators don’t have emission restriction bull crap ! Huge Cruze ships and cargo ships no emission restriction 97% responsibility for pollution,don’t let’s me forget aviation industry. EPA is for epic pollution avoidance!
SO models with the 68rfe do a little better mileage over the aisin trans. My 19 w/68rfe absolutely does better mileage than my 2016 both with 35’s. Standard output 5th gens have a much higher compression ratio than previous years, “I’ll take head gaskets for 1000 Alex” lol. Time will tell
I will say this is probably the best Cummins delete video literally there’s no goofing around bs it’s literally everything you need to know and you don’t have to deal with the nonsense
@@watchintunes4now EFI Live is a tuning platform. It doesn't come with the tuning. You have to find someone that can write the tunes or write them yourself if you have the knowledge. For an Eco-Diesel, check out recklessmotorsports. He has a channel and does a lot for Eco-Diesels.
Now apply this knowledge to semi trucks and you can see how inefficient and uneconomical this emissions crap is! Whoever lobbied the geniuses in Washington must’ve had a gazillion dollars on top of having and using superior knob shlobbing skills
The DPF isn't stopping you for making power. You guys are amateurs. Go look at what Gale Banks does for a living, then reassess what you do with your life.
Sick vid. But everyone uploading these vids of their deleted trucks like the epa doesn’t watch RUclips, is the reason companies like Ez Lynk are currently being sued. Just saying.
The emission numbers definitely need to be looked at between delete and stock. If it’s burning that much less fuel it’s got to be as clean or cleaner out the exhaust. Here in the states I think the EPA need a to set a standard and let the aftermarket folks have free rein on these engines. As long as they meet that standard they are good, but I’d be willing to bet if they let the aftermarket work on getting cleaner air and better all around performance they’d beat the current standard and get rid of all this crap. All these standards seem to do is rearrange the pollution by the time you figure for the plastic jugs etc plus the extra fuel that has to be refined to feed this lower fuel mileage created by all this. I do think that coal rolling needs to be outlawed and dealt with severely if someone is caught doing it.
Had the same issue for the EGT temps when my 2018 truck was "exhaust modified". The truck needs an EGT probe now. I installed my EGT probe at the back of the exhaust manifold to work with the Edge CTS3. The truck will display 302F as the default temp when it can't read the EGT data anymore from the stock sensors. Great video!!!!
Would love to see a before and after on a new duramax. This video makes me want a Ram now. Would you get the aisen or the 68rfe. I like the feel of the 68rfe just unsure of the durability. Can it handle 75 hp tune long term? What about towing? Thanks. Great vid
@@bradyfereday6483 The Aisin is nowhere near as good as an Allison. The Aisin in the first 2 gears is pathetic. If you ever drive unloaded then it's a terrible transmission. Doesn't shift quick through all the gears like the Allison.
@@kernmw10 I have a 19 with it. It is smooth and shifts really well under loads above 20k. I would get an AISIN any day of the week over the Allison. Plus AISIN and Alison share tech.
Nice!! Keep in mind that regens would reduce fuel economy as well...:-) (not sure if it did a regen during the first test) If the first test had no regen then one would have to decrease the fuel mileage number even further, since it would regen when required.
Good call RE the black smoke. If people had been more responsible about over-fueling set ups and tunes in the past we might not be stuck with the 200lbs of emissions equipment you took off of this truck.
Remember to measure at the pumps, ECU tunes can program the fuel usage gauge too, if they want to. I am a bit skeptical about the fuel millage, it is within 20% difference of my 4 cylinder stationcar for a truck that is twice the weight, twice the wind resistance and twice the wheel rolling resistance. The throttle response difference can easily be the ECU giving you 20% throttle instead of 15% throttle your foot tells the car to do. It could also be giving you 100% throttle shortly if you press the throttle quickly between 0 to 50%, that would explain the idle smoke. Try and test if the last 10-20% on the throttle pedal even does anything, it could be removed by the ECU.
I have the 2020 Cummins 3500 tradesman.. already drove 140,000miles lol it really does 24mpg with out any delet stock rims and when deleted 29mpgs. On (straight roads) no wind maybe minor
No matter what you do it's federally illegal to remove a diesel particulate filter it has nothing to do with state regulations but everything to do with federal regulations and it is a legal in every single state within the United States to remove a catalytic converter or a DPF
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Stupid guy checking in here, link says no muffler or add muffler. Does no muffler mean straight pipe or use stock muffler?
29MPGs x 50Gallons =1450 miles per tank. EPA needs to reconsider their non-environmental friendly crap they put on these machines. Oh another thing, love the fact that we are saving the planet by filling the DEF fluid from non-reusable plastic jugs. Government efficiency and brains at it's finest. Fine people that roll coal, let everyone else enjoy a hard working truck
It has nothing to do with the environment
This is the reason the epa has vilified diesels and created horseshit regulations. The same reason why the rest of the world has 5 times the choices for diesels in every vehicle segment except North America.
Liberals don't give a crap about anything other than their ultimate goal - to pervert the entire world with their disease.
@@JT-xb6bg Please explain.
They don't get 30 mpg average is about 20/22 deleted on 200 I've done that's the average
Shocked at the 29-30 mpg hwy at 65 mph. These trucks are so ready to work if they weren’t hampered by the EPA. Good video 👍
No kidding, thanks!
@@darkirondiesel roughly how much is this delete kit in Canada? Including labor, parts, tune, exhaust etc. All in please? Thanks, great videos, keep it up!!
It’s not getting 25-30mpg lol. They won’t get over 17-18mpg on 35s with 3.54-3.73 gearing at 65-70mph
@@RaceMentally He mentioned 29-30 mpg in video. My supercharged gasser, with both pulleys, 4.88 posi gets 18 mpg hwy.
Could be the 29-30 is in Canadian (kilometers per liter) not Murican (miles per gallon)
you REAL Canadians are the reason we LOVE you boys,GREAT videos ...FROM your FRIENDS here in the States
Funny how the epa would rather choke up these engines and get 13-15mpg instead of letting them breathe and get 29-30mpg.
It’s cause the us govt wants the trucks to wear out quicker and the consumer has to spend more money to keep the us Monopoly money dollar circulating.
All about a dollar,not about the enviroment.
5 mpg difference that is a whole hell of a lot for the lifetime of a diesel truck
Extra 150 miles on a 30 gallon tank, wild.
Up to 90% more particulate matter is a lot for the lifetime of many humans. A few extra MPGs is not worth sacrificing health and quality of life for so many others
@@BenjaminJones-q5i SIMP
@@BenjaminJones-q5i Def is all a scam so your truck won't last as long and you will always be in the shop. The soot is actually heavy and falls to the ground and electric batteries for cars is way worse for the environment the media got you brainwashed
I did a full delete with a +100hp tune and managed to get the same mpg, full delete with modified stock tune I went from 17mpg to 25mpg.
Who’s tune are you running?
Trying to delete my 2017 can you reach out to me
Leland Holton is this dually or single rear wheel mpg's?
Which Company did you use for your Tune?
Hello Leland Holton, what year truck? I have a 2021 and 2nd time in the shop for DEF system. I am a small business owner and cannot be down. I put on about 50,000 miles a year and would love to know who did the modified stock tune? Looking for better MPG and less problems. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Best delete videos on RUclips hands down ! Keep posting more mechanic videos.
That's a much bigger difference than I ever would have guessed. Some of it may be deleting the exhaust gas recirculation valve,(EGR) and some might be restriction in the DPF. While those parts are off, you might see if it's possible to flow test, clean, or perhaps, just replace it. With the straight pipe exhaust, I could really hear the "whistle" if the turbocharger. The black smoke happens for the same reason, you feel the "snappy" throttle response. With the factory tune, it measures boost pressure, not allowing the injection pump to inject too much fuel, for the amount of air available to burn it. With the aftermarket tune, the pump squirts in the amount of fuel indicated by throttle position, regardless of boost. It smokes, until the turbo has time to "catch up". Don't use an aftermarket tune with the exhaust in place, because it will quickly foul the DPF. Using similar to a factory tune with the delete will eliminate the puff of black smoke, but, the throttle will feel more like stock. (sluggish, by comparison)You will, however, keep the good fuel economy, and the power.
For the next experiment, try deleting the EGR, but leave the DPF and SCR in place. While the truck will feel "stock", it might gain the fuel efficiency, and, I think, will actually make the DPF last longer, and regenerate less frequently.
EGR is better not to touch or cut! It doesn't interfere. And yes, with the miss setting, with the current injectors pouring fuel.
I wish i never watched this. I can’t get that sound out of my head now.
Same.
So exhaust gases are bad for the environment but does the fuel efficiency increase of these deletes offset the difference?
It's because of nox, causes asthma, really bad to breathe in
This is probably the best video out there explaining everything that truck ppl are into! The info and comparison is the best 👌
What was this customer’s ticket? Total cost of parts and install. Have the exact same truck. Thinking of doing the same but still hanging onto the warranty at 27k miles. Thx for the vid
Me 2
I’d like a Quote for my 2018 Ram 6.7lt 3500.
Sound of the truck on video while driving just sounds like a gas truck with flowmasters
It would be interesting to find out which delete made the bigger difference and what impact tuning alone would do. Myself, I’d really like to turf the EGR. As for DEF, I see the environmental positives but once my warranty is gone I’m thinking delete that too.
Agree - the EGR responsible for clogging up the heads with soot. Eliminate both, motor should last much longer.
EGR is just the worst idea they ever had. 100% delete that first.
What is does is reduce Nitrogen Oxide well there is a far superior way to reduce NOx called Selective Catalytic Reduction with DEF Injection into an SCR CAT.
These trucks shouldn't even have EGR and rely 100% or SCR.
The test he did was completely useless since he deleted and immediately tuned. So stupid... You do one thing and check after...
Except deleting an emission is illegal unless you go through re-certification with the manufacturer, that's a costly process.
@@leesmithey89 oh, is it? why? explain in detail, please...
It would be nice to test the exhaust gases before and after delete to see the difference.
We have worked in cranes sitting next to diesel engines and never any health issues. Nobody can breathe DEF vapors
Doesn't your programmer / monitor allow you to adjust the tire size ? The Edge program I had in a previous truck allowed me to change when I did the lift and went up to 38" tires.
So crazy. Its getting the same MPG as a 5.9 but with TWICE the HP and torque! The throttle response on stock 68s is so maddeningly frustrating. I love this, ahem, "small modification"!
Thanks for the video. You covered nearly everything that I even care about. Good job!!!
Thumbs up for not being an advocate for rolling coal! Good stuff bud
No rolling coal is purely stupid
@@robertryan7204 rolling coal is the exact reason we have the epa coming down so hard on diesel pickup shops in the first place so yeah rolling coal woohoo awesome now look it's dumbasses doing shit like that everywhere that caused this crap if people would get a delete and a good time without everyone....aka the smog police seeing these pickups blowing black smoke everywhere we could have stayed under the radar but fuck no couldn't do that now it's getting harder and harder to get anything done because dumbasses
@@roybond1251 they do not do it here, it is a more US thing. Diesels are mainly 3litres here. US HD Diesel Pickups are mighty rare outside NA anyway
Rolling coal is retarded and I see kids always in duramax around me doing it. But I think our government used it as an excuse to take more rights away and jack up truck prices another 20k. They are also doing everything in their liberal quack abilities to destroy anything resembling American masculinity. Today we have 30 different genders and 10 year olds taking puberty blockers. Its time for a government reset, this bs has gone too far.
You guys are not very smart, the EPA is a money making scam. Jets for me but not for thee
Thanks for representing the reliability and fuel economy guys. We don't all want deleted trucks to roll coal. I would love to do this but I'm in the US.
So am i but i did it
@@TattooedNSnappedBack just don’t make a video showing how you did it and the epa might quit boning all the tuning companies
@@lucab69 haha na thats why i didnt list who made my tunes either
@@TattooedNSnappedBack I’m looking to delete my 2018 ram but can’t find nobody to do it any more
@@pabloolguin9590 man good luck now its hard to do
I like how you did everything so that I can easily be put back and work when needed. In my area if you register your truck commercial there are no emissions at this point in time. I’ve been buying and driving older trucks just to avoid all the mileage and lack of reliability of emissions equipped trucks as well as I drive stick only. So picking have been slim. This info opens horizons alittle. Thank you.
Great video! I dont get the view the EPA has on def... Lets put something on trucks that makes them get worse mileage so they have to use more fuel. And then have to put stuff in another tank that will get spilled and has plastic drums they will just throw away and put more plastic in the land fills. Doesn't make any sense to me what so ever.
Government gets tax money off of the diesel you buy as well. Not to mention the cost associated with all the emissions being tacked onto the truck for taxes. It's all about the money while looking like they care for the environment
@Oddly Right yup, gotta make sure your hunting rifle is is zeroed in!
Yes you have some crazy regulations in the US. diesel vehicles get a lot better mpg outside the US although they have a lot of of Anti pollution gear on them
Have you got chance to delete any of the new half ton diesels? I have a 2020 Silverado with the 3.0 duramax. Just curious what it would sound like deleted.
Just bought one aswell I’m curious
I’m curious if you hand calculated your fuel economy to see if the truck gauge was accurate after the delete?
That exhaust sounds amazing !!
"I'll tweak these tunes..... I mean get them tweaked" lol
I have a 5th Gen. this is exactly he video I was looking for 🤘🏻 subbed. Well done imo
I like the excavator in your picture bro
@@jacobm9574 thanks man, yeah that ‘ol reliable. Runs the flail head mainly 🤘🏻
@@landscapingspecialist badass. Looking to get trained in one ASAP
Need help/info, it's been years since I had a diesel last one was on a 99 Ford F250 so I have been educating myself via various videos. I now understand all the new emmision bs that involves deleting. That being said I am in the process of purchasing a 2019 Ram 3500 that has been deleted. It should arrive at my local dealership in the next few days coming from Dallas Tx. Question is knowing that it has been reprogrammed for the delete that was done are there issues when bringing into a dealership for service. If the dealership connects it to their system will it wipe out the delete program, will this cripple the truck? I have a superchip programmer on my 5.7 hemi and I know that I have to return to stock before going in for service. Just need help in understanding Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the video. Can you add a link to all the parts you installed please?
@Caleb Wright lolol
Parts list PLEASE!!
I'm really curious if you are allowed to mention where you get your EFI Live tunes from, it seems almost impossible to find someone reputable anymore to do them
Yea I have a truck needs deleted and can't find anything
Looking for same info
Check out ATS. They make a BOLT ON kit for the allison transmission for Cummins. No cutting grinding fabrication nothing. Just bolt the bitch on. Cummins Allison unstoppable.
That would be awesome!
I'll be looking for a ghost delete for my 2020 Ram 3500. I know the fuel economy would pay for itself pretty quickly
Have you had any luck finding one?
@@usmcgregalunas yeah an outfit in Indiana does it. At least if the rumors are true
@@TruckerMike089 yes, it is true. Shop in Goshen, IN
@@ВсёОбАмерикеИНеТолько good to know thank you
What are your thoughts with leaving the exhaust brake on 24/7.
I keep my 5th gen Jake brake on all of the time. If nothing else, to reduce wear and tear on my brakes
I always have mine on
Same
Now alll he needs is a true manual drive
Said the non manual drive person
just imagine it with stock tires
I've always wondered if you were able to do an actual emissions comparison between stock and a deleted truck with a tune set for fuel economy, not to roll coal at every stoplight, and accounting for the increase in fuel milage would the emissions be substantially different? We know the EGR/SCR/DPF setup increases wear and tear on the motor and decreases fuel milage so I wonder if when you account for the increased fuel usage is all of the mandated emissions junk really making that much of a difference on the total emissions per tank of fuel or are the EPA numbers based purely on the instantaneous emissions. Does that make sense?
Getting better fuel mileage increases emissions because you're burning the fuel more efficiently, creating more fumes. Modern cars are a balancing act between good mpg and low emissions. Basically, they lower emissions by passing unburnt fuel through the exhaust.
I tuned my gas truck and got better gas mileage. The trade off is that I create more emissions. Not a problem for me because I live in a free state. Another issue is that my o2 sensors and catalytic converter will probably need replaced sooner than usual.
Can you enlighten me on the tune you used, as well as getting around the factory gateway firewall? I manage a government fleet and my scan tools wont even allow me to program my aftermarket tpms sensors..aargh! Great video
You need a obd bypass.
Any new changes with the 2022 RAM 2500 that would cause any new problems/issues with a delete & tune vs a 2019/2020 for example? Have you or anyone else here done a 2022 successfully? Just want to know if there's anything special to be on the lookout for. Thx!
14k subs wow look at you go ! Been here since like 300 haha
Hey thanks buddy! Appreciate the support 👊🏻
Same
My favorite channel just deleted mine blown away with the results
What tunner?
BradTheMighty EPA be like ^
Good video bro. I did delete to my 2015 3500 6.7 last year and I'm super happy since, I'm making between 24 and 30 miles per gallon @ speed between 60 to 67 mph.
That’s incredible what transmission do you have?
@@mj23isthebest 3500 is the Aisin
@@policronia I have a 3500 with the Aisin and believe me the $3500 that I had to pay extra to get it, I wish all the 3500 came with it.
@@mj23isthebest .. and the 2500 as option..
@@policronia it's an upgrade, not all are Aisin. Just for everyone's knowledge
Imagine if the diesels came like this from the factory!!
Great video! Answered all of my questions and concerns. In Ontario and considering a delete on my 19 3500 5th gen. I am sold!
Deleted and tuned my 2016 yesterday and oh my gosh what a difference in power, throttle response, and fuel mileage. Before it averaged 16mpg. On the way into work today it got. 23mpg. I have awoke a sleeping giant.
We all know you'll get way worse fuel mileage AFTER deleting....because now the throttles a fun pedal😂
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Great video! I noticed your "check gauges" light is illuminated. Is that permanent because of the delete? Also, do you guys do deletes at your shop? I have a '22 Dodge that I want deleted as soon as possible.
If you don't do a quick learn on the 68RFE after flashing, you need to keep your foot out of it until the trans relearns. High rates of clutch failures if you pour the coals to it before it learns where the shift timing and line pressures need to be for solid shifts without slip.
Oh ya. I always tell guys to drive at least 100km like a grandpa. Doing a few 0-100 easy pulls through all the gears helps too.
@darkirondiesel Better not let this grandpa drive it then!
Do you have any contacts in Alberta, Edmonton area.
To do deletes?
In-line auto and performance. Good prices and knowledgeable
Wow sounded pretty bad ass exhust note with the deletes and fuel economy went up and throttle response 😁👍
2024 the new device thst fmcsa wants US to install that notifys them and us of any maintenance and modifications
So I take it, that truck is no longer under warranty ?
It's been over 25 years so I'm pretty sure that I am wrong, but I'll ask anyway. Is that Warman (Between Prince Albert and Saskatoon)?
Ughhh I shouldn’t have watched this... so tempting on my 21. Warranty or awesomeness lol
Awesomeness for sure
Speak to dealers. I’ve heard of very cooperating ones.
Awesome deleted my 2021 already has 500 miles on it
You won't need that warranty if you delete it. These trucks are unbelievable!
I agree with the others my 2019 had parts fall off around 500 miles on the Odo, my dealer honors the warranty.
Wonder how the difference is between manual and auto transmission?
Nice channel man, subbed. I actually have a friend who had bought a truck with deletions and added them back on and then processed To make his truck super quiet with more insulation. To each their own, I like the loudness more. He had a charter buiness so he picks up his clients and doesn’t want them to get that trucking feel when bringing them to the docks, but he has a tune on it and said the back pressure is even better with the exhaust plugged up, does this sound right to you guys??
I dont roll coal either. Its just stupid. I think the pipe was still loaded with soot. Because by the third rev it almost cleared up.
Great video from a Duramax owner. I wanna get a Cummins 3500 for my future work truck. Thanks for the great content bro
Hello Dark Iron,
So does the delete do anything to our warranty? Cause I have a 21 ram dually limited edition and I want to delete it so bad, but do know if this would void my warranty. Any info would be greatly appreciated
After a dpf/egr delete, expect your warranty to be voided on anything under the hood (engine-wise). However, sometimes it comes down to the relationship you have with your local dealership service mgr. I've been doing specific mods on my 2500, and my service mgr told me as long as any defect wasn't caused directly by any of my modifications, then they would honor the warranty. I paid extra for extended warranty and would be stupid of me to compromise that. But soon as my warranty expires - I'll be rollin coal... 😁
How long is the warranty for def system mileage wise? I have a 2020 ram dually wanting to delete.
Another interesting point is how long it takes for the delete to pay for itself. If you know the MPG increase after delete, then you can find how many miles it would take to recoup the delete cost.
well its not just about the increased fuel mileage. getting rid of all that emmions stuff will save you money from it being in the shop and having to buy def.
@@nathanperez7559 my truck was in the shop 6 times for particulate filter problems so they finally replaced the whole system. 2 weeks later I deleted it. Best money ever spent. Better response, mpg, and no more $ on DEF.
Exactly why I keep my federal emissions standard 03 Lb7 no cat or EGR from factory banks big hoss bundle six gun,super scoop intake, 4" all the way out. 35" BFG CCLB 20 mpg to Vegas smog legal in CA.
That thing sounds SWEET.
Brother, I have a 2021 ram 2500 6.7 that I am getting deleted/tuned on Friday. The truck has 950 miles on it. I am so ready for the delete but at the same time I am sick to my stomach about my warranty. Uhhhhhhh, I guess the sick feeling will go away when I hear it, and see the mpg increase.
Mee too man, I got 22 thousand miles on mine...I'm sick of 13mpg
@@tonysketch other than transmission pretty much anything that would go down during warranty is going to be emissions related which most likely warranty won't cover anyway
That is my dream truck, color, wheels, mega cab and everything. I'd be so afraid to lose warranty though, then again I'll probably never be able to afford one new haha so a used one might be out of warranty anyway
You just need a mechanic that has his own shop and they'll help you out. ;)
That is funny. When you made that right turn I knew exactly you were as I live in the next town over to the left of that turn haha. Glad to know you are local as my daughter is looking into getting a diesel and so am I.
Haha that’s awesome
I have a 2018 Cummins 6.7 deleted and I’m getting 19-21mpg, if I drive 55mph on the highway which I don’t because I would get passed like a idiot in Dallas traffic, I could get 30mpg
Need this ASAP!! In CA tho kill me, I just wanna roll 😂😂
That's awesome man! My 12v doesn't even get that mileage!
Good video. I have a 2011 2500 and it came deleted. So unfortunately I have no idea the tune, studs anything except for what I see and don't see. I love how it sounds like a race car! I agree about the smoke with anything newer than a 97 anyway. Sadly my exhaust brake quit and I'm hoping it's a censor or the actuator. I miss it! I'll be upgrading to a fifth gen after someone else puts 200k on it first. Then I can afford it! It'll be my third one.
8:57 And THAT'S awful! "Rolling coal" is what destroys public perception of diesels. And now with RAM caught doing a VW-style Dieselgate... Yet people wonder why diesels are hard (and expensive) to come by...
Great video question is it Worth putting a cold air intake and a 5 inch exhaust or should I just stick with a 4 in exhaust and no cold air
That’s a good question. I’m interested as well.
I got a s&b cai , i can tell it breaths better , and the turbo wistle is so much louder , kinda like 2nd gens
8:58 yeah I was surprised to see it rolling coal like that because at this point the tune and everything was still 100% stock right?
Well there is our reason why the Particulate Filters cause so much problems: It should never have to deal with that much smoke in the first place.
deleted my diesel two weeks ago, you put it just right when you said "its like a wave pushing you". im just running a 65hp tune and the fuel economy is unreal im getting 7-8L/100km.
What vehicle?
2018 Ram 1500 Ecodiesel
Hey buddy I have a question for you. I have a 2019 ram just like that I ordered a EFI live tuner from diesel dudes and I would like to remove it whenever I would like and put it to stock. Is that possible with the EFI live autocal ? Thanks man keep on doing sick videos
I miss my 6.7 so much. That's a nice unit my man
Omg turn the exhaust break off on startup. Sounds like absolute shit and takes away from the sounds smh
Exhaust brake was off on start up
I own a 97' 5.9L 12 valve that gets ~25mpg average driving. Love the Cummins engines.
I have a 97 also. Just a 2WD auto long beg extended cab 133k original miles.. I'm getting about 20mpg.
@@Turbo_Todd What a piece of trash...I’ll give you $500 bucks for it and do you a favor
Pumping exhaust gas back to engine, same thing like you putting shit on plate and eat ! All military trucks and generators don’t have emission restriction bull crap ! Huge Cruze ships and cargo ships no emission restriction 97% responsibility for pollution,don’t let’s me forget aviation industry. EPA is for epic pollution avoidance!
@1:28 and @ 8:47 are the differences in sound.... Wow lol
Lol, these rams are NOT good in stock form, they are gutless turds. Don't tell a lie like that. Ram is the worst truck in stock form.
SO models with the 68rfe do a little better mileage over the aisin trans. My 19 w/68rfe absolutely does better mileage than my 2016 both with 35’s.
Standard output 5th gens have a much higher compression ratio than previous years, “I’ll take head gaskets for 1000 Alex” lol. Time will tell
I will say this is probably the best Cummins delete video literally there’s no goofing around bs it’s literally everything you need to know and you don’t have to deal with the nonsense
What tunes are you using?
He says it in the vid....EFI Live i think. Found them at www.efilive.com/. Unfortunately, i have the 3.0 eco :'( dont see a product for me.
Check out Ecodiesel Owners Canada. MRTuning did my eco. Truck is a completely different animal.
@@watchintunes4now EFI Live is a tuning platform. It doesn't come with the tuning. You have to find someone that can write the tunes or write them yourself if you have the knowledge. For an Eco-Diesel, check out recklessmotorsports. He has a channel and does a lot for Eco-Diesels.
Now apply this knowledge to semi trucks and you can see how inefficient and uneconomical this emissions crap is! Whoever lobbied the geniuses in Washington must’ve had a gazillion dollars on top of having and using superior knob shlobbing skills
This video is at a higher level than in the past. With better content
The DPF isn't stopping you for making power. You guys are amateurs. Go look at what Gale Banks does for a living, then reassess what you do with your life.
What does all the parts cost? Pipe, egr plates, tuner, etc.
He wont tell you.
Thanks. It don't hurt to ask.
@@chriscauthen3958 np. You can Google jt
He replied further down in the comments. Roughly what i figured.
He replied to someone else's comment
Sick vid. But everyone uploading these vids of their deleted trucks like the epa doesn’t watch RUclips, is the reason companies like Ez Lynk are currently being sued. Just saying.
I saw that. It’s real
Awesome video it's great for comparison before and after 👍
God bless you and stay safe in these troubled times 🙋♂️🇬🇧
It's quite an ugly truck.. what is that random dead space behind the rear door? And factory doesn't sound like a diesel at all! Embarrassing!
The emission numbers definitely need to be looked at between delete and stock. If it’s burning that much less fuel it’s got to be as clean or cleaner out the exhaust. Here in the states I think the EPA need a to set a standard and let the aftermarket folks have free rein on these engines. As long as they meet that standard they are good, but I’d be willing to bet if they let the aftermarket work on getting cleaner air and better all around performance they’d beat the current standard and get rid of all this crap. All these standards seem to do is rearrange the pollution by the time you figure for the plastic jugs etc plus the extra fuel that has to be refined to feed this lower fuel mileage created by all this. I do think that coal rolling needs to be outlawed and dealt with severely if someone is caught doing it.
Had the same issue for the EGT temps when my 2018 truck was "exhaust modified". The truck needs an EGT probe now. I installed my EGT probe at the back of the exhaust manifold to work with the Edge CTS3. The truck will display 302F as the default temp when it can't read the EGT data anymore from the stock sensors. Great video!!!!
I was going to say the same thing. On my 2017 I had to install their EGT probe to get a reading once the truck was "cleaned up".
Best decision was deleting my 19 Ram 2500. Night and day difference in performance and getting 21mpg on average when not towing a trailer.
It’s nice to see a straight guy driving these. Thanks for leaving the mirrors down. Nice truck!
My 2019 2500 got 10L\100 from Edmonton to Vancouver , so I 'd be super curious to see what that would end out with a full delete .
Would love to see a before and after on a new duramax. This video makes me want a Ram now. Would you get the aisen or the 68rfe. I like the feel of the 68rfe just unsure of the durability. Can it handle 75 hp tune long term? What about towing?
Thanks. Great vid
Just wait on a ram if you are buying one. 2022 you can get the Allison you so love.
Get the AISIN it’s on par or better than Allison now. My 19 with the AISIN pulls like a dream and is smooth under load!
@@bradyfereday6483 The Aisin is nowhere near as good as an Allison. The Aisin in the first 2 gears is pathetic. If you ever drive unloaded then it's a terrible transmission. Doesn't shift quick through all the gears like the Allison.
@@kernmw10 I have a 19 with it. It is smooth and shifts really well under loads above 20k. I would get an AISIN any day of the week over the Allison. Plus AISIN and Alison share tech.
With the straight pipe, is the cabin pretty quiet still? I feel these trucks are pretty well insulated
Nice!! Keep in mind that regens would reduce fuel economy as well...:-) (not sure if it did a regen during the first test) If the first test had no regen then one would have to decrease the fuel mileage number even further, since it would regen when required.
There wouldnt be any regen. The regen is for the things that were deleted. All of that was removed, so there is nothing to regen.
Seams like theses 5th gens 2500s and 3500s are getting great mpg deleted or stock def better then ford or gm.
Should have got 5” exhaust
Good call RE the black smoke. If people had been more responsible about over-fueling set ups and tunes in the past we might not be stuck with the 200lbs of emissions equipment you took off of this truck.
Remember to measure at the pumps, ECU tunes can program the fuel usage gauge too, if they want to.
I am a bit skeptical about the fuel millage, it is within 20% difference of my 4 cylinder stationcar for a truck that is twice the weight, twice the wind resistance and twice the wheel rolling resistance.
The throttle response difference can easily be the ECU giving you 20% throttle instead of 15% throttle your foot tells the car to do.
It could also be giving you 100% throttle shortly if you press the throttle quickly between 0 to 50%, that would explain the idle smoke.
Try and test if the last 10-20% on the throttle pedal even does anything, it could be removed by the ECU.
I always tell guys to measure actual distance per tank. This guy in particular is getting about an extra 250km per tank.
@@darkirondiesel Doesnt that do away with your factory or extended warranty. It looked like you only had 19k miles on it?
I have the 2020 Cummins 3500 tradesman.. already drove 140,000miles lol it really does 24mpg with out any delet stock rims and when deleted 29mpgs. On (straight roads) no wind maybe minor
@@tmonei4597 That's insane
@@tmonei4597 what gears?
No matter what you do it's federally illegal to remove a diesel particulate filter it has nothing to do with state regulations but everything to do with federal regulations and it is a legal in every single state within the United States to remove a catalytic converter or a DPF
This is the same kit from The Diesel Dudes that you put on the black 2019 2500 mega cab?