American Reacts Where did the Finno-Ugric people come from?

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  • Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024

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  • @yorkaturr
    @yorkaturr 4 дня назад +30

    As a Finnish person this makes sense. Waske (in Finnish vaski, in Estonian vask) means copper, though in Finnish nowadays only used when referring to brass instruments. Porcas (in Finnish and Estonian porsas) means pork. Kehrä in Finnish means spinning wheel, in Estonian kettale. Piimä in Finnish means buttermilk and piim in Estonian means milk. Language development is at the heart of discerning migratory patterns of groups of people.

    • @mrsmerily
      @mrsmerily 4 дня назад

      Moika. The põrsas means more like a small big. Pork in itself is sealiha ja big is siga. Ketas is correct but I would rather think "kera" which means sphere can be so called relative word especially if you say it out loud.

    • @vladraptor
      @vladraptor 4 дня назад +8

      @@mrsmerily Porsas in Finnish too means a piglet or a young pig, but when talking about food then it also means pig's meat. Like in Estonian you can also say sianliha (pig's meat) instead of porsas when talking about food. Pig in Finnish is sika.

    • @mrsmerily
      @mrsmerily 4 дня назад +1

      @@vladraptor yes in rare cases it is true, you can say põrsa liha (which usually means piglet meat) but most cases nowadays at least it is sealiha when you talk about meat itself.

    • @yorkaturr
      @yorkaturr 4 дня назад +3

      @@mrsmerily Yes, I wasn't being accurate here. Strictly speaking "porsas" in Finnish also means piglet, but ever since the 80s or something it has meant pork meat in general. In older Finnish cookbooks we still speak of "sianliha" and the word for pig as a species is "sika". I suppose it's because adult pigs are virtually never butchered for meat nowadays.

    • @myfaceismyshield5963
      @myfaceismyshield5963 4 дня назад +1

      Vaski isn't used only when referring to brass instruments. It means brass, in all contexts in modern Finnish.

  • @AltaicGigachad
    @AltaicGigachad 4 дня назад +19

    The nomadic proto-Magyars were related to Finno-Ugrians living in the western Ural Mountain region of western Siberia. By the fifth century C.E. they roamed southwestward to the region of the Caspian Sea and had considerable contacts with Turkic Khazars. It was under the influence of the Khazars that the "crystallization" of Magyar identity took place. Among their early rulers were elites from among the Turkics. At some point they too adopted a nomadic way of life on the steppes. By 830 they had reached the west bank of the Don River in Europe (present-day western Russia), about which time they formed a tribal confederacy of seven related clans: the Kari, Kasi, Kurt-Djarmat, Magyari (Madjary), Nyék (Nyak), Taryán, and Yenő. In the early ninth century three dissident clans of Turkic Khazars, known as Kavars (Kabars), joined them. The 10 tribes formed the On Oghur (Ten Arrows) confederation (the name of which has been theorized to be the source of the name Hungary). According to legend Arpad was elected chieftain of the Magyar tribe at the ceremonial sacrifice of his father, whose blood was then shared among the Magyar leaders. Arpad ruled an alliance of seven Magyar tribes and three Khazar tribes, chosen to lead them to a new homeland across the Carpathian Mountains because of pressure from the Pechenegs. In the course of their migration they encountered Byzantines, Bulgars, Vlachs, and Slavs, including the Moravians, before settling on the Hungarian plain. The Magyar language, generally called Hungarian, belongs to the Ugric branch of the Finno-Ugric family. It contains many ancient Turkic words, especially relating to animal husbandry and political and military organization.

  • @soozb15
    @soozb15 4 дня назад +4

    I agree, great video and nice reaction. I'm trying to learn Hungarian so any clear explanations of origins are very welcome. Looking forward to part two!

  • @retrieveri
    @retrieveri 4 дня назад +6

    I am a Finn and basically I understand 100% of languages spoken in Northern Sweden (meän kieli) and Karelian in Russia. Estonian I understand maybe 60%. Samic languages have maybe 5-10% words I understand. All the other ones have only very few appr. same words, words that have been used a long time like blood and fish. Like blood in Hungarian is ver and Finnish veri. The grammars in all those languages have similarities.

  • @anza77
    @anza77 4 дня назад +3

    They cremated bodies.... But they also build altars for those people...
    I live close to such place, where in stone ages they most likely had these "burial" /cremation ceremonials..

  • @ArktinenPeikko
    @ArktinenPeikko 4 дня назад +4

    11:12 it is funny to hear the words spoken and clearly know what they mean even withouth the actual translation there... Porsas, Kehrä, Piimä (would be sour milk nowadays) Havent changed too much, other than how they are written.

  • @ngaourapahoe
    @ngaourapahoe 4 дня назад +1

    What always blows my mind is the huge quantity of different people and the endless variety of languages they spoke. How could that happen anyway ?

    • @TheNismo777
      @TheNismo777 2 дня назад

      Magic. :) Our tribe has many small brances and is very colourful.

  • @martinbynion1589
    @martinbynion1589 4 дня назад +2

    Very interesting, McJ - even many Europeans don't really understand how different the languages and bloodlines of the Ural-Altaic peoples (Magyars, Finns, Estonians) are from the Romance, Germanic and Slavic races that make up most of the population of Europe. I am very much hoping that you will react to more videos like this 🙂

    • @Illustrate_1t
      @Illustrate_1t 4 дня назад +1

      Ural-Altaic languages is abandoned language-family proposal.
      And Magyars, Finns, Estonians are
      more "Yamnaya" than the Romance, Germanic and Slavic races.
      So they probably don't come anywhere near the Altai mountains.
      The Samoyed people did migrate after the breakup of the language family, towards Lake Baikal.

  • @urmasveiper469
    @urmasveiper469 День назад

    This is an old common culture with the Celts. Family and community boundaries, no states. Care for the elderly and the weak. Families were settled in their land, but scholars and merchants roamed. The Ugrians were what remained of the Hyperboreans and have been settled for 50-60 thousand years. Only during the great ice ages did they move south and then back. Slavs comes from the Roman word "slave" - ​​slave. Christianity spread with fire and sword from both Rome and Byzantium, and the slaves became church speakers.

  • @tovarishchfeixiao
    @tovarishchfeixiao 3 дня назад +1

    17:24 Actually there was no need for interactions, since the Eskimos (and any american original inhabitants) actually migrated from Eastern Siberia to the americas a really long time ago.

  • @finnishculturalchannel
    @finnishculturalchannel 4 дня назад

    If you have the time and interest, and can bear some issues with the auto-translation and technical issues in the lecture, here is a discussion about migration in general and about the various theories relating to the origins of the Finns, and a lecture about the origin of the region's languages, and especially the origin of the Finnish language. Couple of relating videos as an intro to those: "Joseph Campbell - Cave Bears and the Birth of Mythology", "Center for Instructional Innovation and Assessmen The Ket People", "The Great Cosmic Hunt, the Oldest Story Known to Mankind", "Miscellaneous Myths: Ursa Major", "Navajo Traditional Teachings A Navajo Sweat Lodge", "UNESCO Sauna culture in Finland", "Finnish Paganism 5/5", "Kuhmo UNESCO City of Literature Vepsäläiset", "KULTTUURIN SYNTY/ SUOMEN HISTORIA", "Suomen kielen euraasialainen ja eurooppalainen tausta. Uusia tulkintoja uralilaisten kielten alkupe", "Survive the Jive Are Finns European?" and "Early Uralic loans In Yeniseian by Edward Vajda". Also: "Real Hyperboreans? Ancient North Eurasians", "JÄTINKIRKKO - Mitä nämä on ja miksi ne rakennettiin?", "The Seal Hunters - the linguistic traces of ancient Scandinavia", "Dorset Culture and the Arctic Odyssey" and "What is Inuit Mythology? | Obscure Mythologies".

  • @ngaourapahoe
    @ngaourapahoe 4 дня назад

    The problem with these nomadic people is that did not write. Such a shame. We only have information through Cesar who met and fought them (the Huns).

  • @atruv2089
    @atruv2089 4 дня назад

    Not sure if it'd be up your alley, but the channel Costas Melas has map-videos I like showing the spread & change of languages based both on either language families or specific geographies. The video for Finno-Ugric languages is a bit old (4 years) (ruclips.net/video/ROMikM-OAOc/видео.html ), but others like Celtic, or for regions like Italy, Iberia, Britain, etc. are very recent (The video for the languages of Europe as a whole is 2 years old).
    There is no commentary however, just shows the spread and/or decline over time.

  • @TheNismo777
    @TheNismo777 2 дня назад

    We are mysterious & thats how it should remain :)

  • @mauri.m
    @mauri.m 4 дня назад

    This was true in big lines, but there were obvious Russian tendencies in details. Then you have to understand differences in languages, cultures and genes. Basically language has only one root (although borrowings are common), cultures are usually local and adopted and genes have many roots.

  • @VladisRed
    @VladisRed 2 дня назад

    I'm finno-ugric man. That's my tribe))

  • @ferrothorn9022
    @ferrothorn9022 4 дня назад +7

    17:14 Possibly, there is a theory that most of the modern Siberian as well as the Inuit and Na-Dene languages share a common ancestor

    • @PerfectBrEAThER
      @PerfectBrEAThER 4 дня назад +2

      Yes, but Uralic is not part of that hypothesis. They didn't cross the Arctic Circle until about 500 AD.

    • @sodinc
      @sodinc 4 дня назад

      Only a small part of modern native Siberians, really. The majority was replaced/assimilated by Uralic speakers (samoyedic and ugric) in the western Siberia and Turkic (Yakut/sakha) and Mongolic (Buryat) in the eastern Siberia.
      And then there is a layer of slavic migration and assimilation.

  • @janosapponyi4072
    @janosapponyi4072 2 дня назад

    MAG-yar= ENKI! 🌌🌞! ?= sENKI! 😂 mindENKI! Anu (n) aki,ki...😁!!!

  • @odalv316
    @odalv316 4 дня назад

    The Bulgarians and the Pechenegs drove them out of the modern Ukrainian region, and they fled to the Pannonian Basin.

  • @rechtech5474
    @rechtech5474 4 дня назад +1

    6:03 no tocharians not turks

  • @PerfectBrEAThER
    @PerfectBrEAThER 4 дня назад

    The author of the original video gives outdated information. 2:16
    Uralic languages is nowadays more widely used. Since the language-tree [Finno-Ugric] model has been replaced
    by the comb model.
    ◀ Homeland Urals (dyatlov pass) 3000-2000 BC ▶
    SAAMI FINNIC МОRDVIN MARI PERMIC 🏔 MANSI KHANTY SAMOYED
    HUNGARIAN
    The branches of the Uralic family in an approximate geographical order along the east-west axis.
    (The Oxford Guide to the Uralic Languages (published in 2022)) or
    (PDF) Proto-Uralic Ante Aikio

  • @aeschynanthus_sp
    @aeschynanthus_sp 2 дня назад +1

    Man, the video you are reacting to often has badly intelligible audio.
    Not a linguist, but accordingt to my knowledge: "Finno-Ugric" is a traditional name for other Uralic languages than Samoyedic (as shown at the beginning of the video). It's now disputed/uncertain whether it is a valid grouping, our would something like "west Uralic", "central Uralic" and "east Uralic" be better.

  • @kalervolatoniittu2011
    @kalervolatoniittu2011 4 дня назад

    Ask phD Janne Saarikivi,the linquist by the grace of god,advice if you can't crasp these things 😂

  • @heh9392
    @heh9392 4 дня назад +2

    17:00 I heared somewhere that modern linguistic researchers had discovered a couple similiar words or even cultural aspects (idk) between finnish and arctic inuit cultures, but there is no trace that how Uralics and Inuits would've been in contact at some point and when.

    • @Pippis78
      @Pippis78 4 дня назад +1

      We all live in the "shamanistic belt" and originate genetically in Asia. So same origin but only a very very distant relation. Most likely not a lot of later contact. Just same ancestry.

    • @tovarishchfeixiao
      @tovarishchfeixiao 3 дня назад

      As far as i know the people in the americas before the colonies and stuff actually migrated from Eastern Siberia to the americas.

  • @Pippis78
    @Pippis78 4 дня назад +2

    The arctic people all pretty much have Asian origins and that's one reason why they look similar AND have similar religious belief systems such as shamanism and animism. But they are only very very distantly related. And they didn't have a lot of connection after that. Ice makes moving over seas easier, but it's also a brutal waste land.

  • @Pippis78
    @Pippis78 4 дня назад +2

    I'm not saying the video is misinformation, but I must say there's A LOT of information presented that I have NEVER before heard. And I know a fair bit about finno-ugric people and languages.
    So I'd take it all with a pinch of salt.
    Interesting stuff for sure, but I would need to find academic backup to believe everything. I'd be glad to learn stuff that is completely bew for me!

    • @sodinc
      @sodinc 4 дня назад +1

      Yeah, connecting Uralic languages with the bronze makers in the Altai mountains is very questionable. The technology could have been transferred without the rest of the culture and language.

    • @Pippis78
      @Pippis78 4 дня назад +1

      @sodinc This exactly. And the depiction of finno-ugric people as conquerors and warriors.

    • @SairanBurghausen
      @SairanBurghausen 3 дня назад +1

      Nope, you're just an amateur who has not read the relevant literature. The video is accurate.

    • @SairanBurghausen
      @SairanBurghausen 3 дня назад +1

      @@Pippis78Because objectively we were conquerors. Maybe you should actually read the scientific literature, rather than dated ideological pamphlets you badse your views on.

    • @LassiM-wx5cv
      @LassiM-wx5cv 3 дня назад +1

      @@sodinc Archeogenetics point to uralics taking part in the seima turbino phenomenom

  • @kalervolatoniittu2011
    @kalervolatoniittu2011 4 дня назад

    Superior mi arse. It's the climate and terrain that determine cultures

  • @alibababauu3217
    @alibababauu3217 3 дня назад

    ungaria este din mongolia

  • @freebozkurt9277
    @freebozkurt9277 4 дня назад

    All languages came from teh East, not only Finn-Ugric. The question is when? And where were the common ancestors lived together. It was 5 000 years ago, so it could be anywhere from the Atlantic to the Pacific Ocean.

  • @Freebrd420
    @Freebrd420 4 дня назад

    Sumer (ancient words: Sumer: amma = mother, nowday Finnish: ämmä = mother/woman. Sumer: Ajja = father, nowday Finnish: Äijä = father/man > Turk (lanquage connection)> Nowday Ukraina (Gelonos/budini) > nowday rus ( area of Karelian tribes ) and Altai > Finland (now) > nowday Norway and swede. In Turkey they leave only lanquage layer. The shame of the eastern connections is due to the invasion of the eastern neighbors of the Germanic people who came to the great area of ​​the Karelian tribes to concuer it. Nowday these subjects are like nitroclyserine.

    • @tovarishchfeixiao
      @tovarishchfeixiao 3 дня назад

      ämmä is not a word for "mother" in finnish it only means woman. lol
      And äijä in finnish is "old man" or "codger". Not man or father.

    • @zonzzo
      @zonzzo 3 дня назад

      ​@@tovarishchfeixiaosure words have mean just words, but in these days "ämmä" means more like "bitch" and "äijä" means "old dude"

  • @kilipaki87oritahiti
    @kilipaki87oritahiti 4 дня назад +3

    Well the Proto Finns, ancestors to the indigenous Sámi, Finns and Estonians migrated from Siberia Asia to northern Norway during the Last Ice Age, where they mixed with the 1st Europeans (Western Hunter Gatherers) coming up from the Middle East along the western coast of Norway. They where black with blue eyes. The Proto Finns brought light skin, blonde hair and lighter eye colors to Europe. They are distant related to all Native Americans. The Finns are a result of southern Sámi tribes mixing with later incoming populations: Anatolian farmers, Yamnaya, and Germanic farmers aka Norse, later Swedes. The Sámi is the only indigenous people as they didn’t mix not. All this has been proven by DNA, linguistic and archaeological evidence already…

    • @SairanBurghausen
      @SairanBurghausen 3 дня назад

      Insanely outdated pseudoscientific lies. Finns did not arrive in Finland before the Iron Age, and you're talking stone age bs. Read the scientific literature, you lying amateur.

  • @kalervolatoniittu2011
    @kalervolatoniittu2011 4 дня назад

    That dudes conceptions sound in couple of points..well nice stories. I'd trust more in linquistics and geneologists. You know..scientists

  • @TarebossT
    @TarebossT 4 дня назад

    Man, that thick accent kills me... And I'm not even English speaking native.

  • @Pippis78
    @Pippis78 4 дня назад +2

    As far as I know, Magyar/Hungarians were pretty much nomadic warrior people, that just came far into Europe rather suddenly. They moved around and were bounced around the general area and finally found themselves where todays Hungary is. It was a rather small group of people that was indeed isolated from the other Ugric people pretty much from the start. Or that is what the theory atm is?
    This is a HUGE oversimplification.
    Their history is VERY interesting, very complicated and not a lot is known for certainty.
    Possibly the most interesting thing about modern Magyar/Hungarians is that they are genetically no longer really related to other ugric people. The culture, language and identity survived and thrives to this day - but genetically they are the same as their neighbouring countries' peoples.
    The other ugric people have also ofcourse mixed with especially Russians, Scandinavians and Baltic people, but the Asian, Uralic genes are still noticeable - the degree varies.
    There has been less mixing in less populated and more remote areas.
    I'm a Finn that has some definite Asian features and those are not uncommon at all here. "Half-slanted" eyes, small short "flat" nose, high cheekbones, flat face, short stature. Even though on my mother's side I have a lot of Scandinavian and some mid and south European ancestry.

    • @ingemarsjoo4542
      @ingemarsjoo4542 4 дня назад +1

      When I met my wife for the first time in 1980 she was - in my eyes - one of the most beautiful women I had ever seen. She was finnish, with strong vallonian genes (Vallonia = southern Belgium) from her fathers side, and high cheekbones from her mothers side. The mother was from the province of Savolax, considering by many as the most "finnish" of all provinses in Finland, what goes for apperances. The nazis didn´t like "race mixture". That´s crazy. My wife would never has been so pretty if not for this mixture of genes.

    • @Pippis78
      @Pippis78 4 дня назад +1

      @@ingemarsjoo4542 ❤️
      To me it seems people with mixed heritage are always the most beautiful people 😀

  • @GeneralCalculus
    @GeneralCalculus 4 дня назад

    I know some people have extremely strong accents when they speak, but for some reason I keep thinking maker of original video exaggerating it for role.
    -
    Language of Huns is pretty much unknow at this point outside of some fragments. But they were also confederation of different tribes so they possibly spoke of many languages.
    Mongolian people spoke and speak mongolic languages which are their own little family whose relation to other language families is uncertain.
    -
    Tocharian is now extinct familiy of indo-european languages with no relation to Turkic languages.

  • @SovietUnionn
    @SovietUnionn 4 дня назад

    Just look into mirror and figure out where you are related/from jeez...Walk around Oulu and see regular finns and you see exatly 100% evropean people(excluding foreigners who live here), nothing related or whatnot to asia or africa or whatever. Saame people are excatly like we are, you cannot tell difference between finn and saame or swede or norwegian if they stand next to each other. Without those silly reindeer clothes they are 100% like we finns are. But mongol or turk next to finn? Nothing same.
    We have unfortunately about 10 000 gypsies who came here like 500years ago and you can instantly spot gypsi from finns, thats a group who is not evropean ethnically and you can see it.

    • @SairanBurghausen
      @SairanBurghausen 3 дня назад

      Low IQ, low intuition, 0/10. You have serf genes.

    • @SairanBurghausen
      @SairanBurghausen 3 дня назад +1

      You can just admit that you're not intelligent enough to understand the passing of time or settlement and mixing.

    • @SovietUnionn
      @SovietUnionn 3 дня назад

      @@SairanBurghausen Lots of ifs and buts, yet very little actual facts. You dont need some random dude on youtube, who is not even finn, to talk long minutes of pure bs to see whats real. By using commonsence and your own eyes and brains one can see how swedes and other nordics and germans, celtics and slavs are same bloodfamily as we finns. We have nothing to do with some mongrels beyond Ural mountains or turkic tribes or whatever and absolutely 0% with africans. Come to Finland and see normal finns from Turku to Kajaani to Oulu to Rovaniemi and then go see saame people up north and you cannot tell any difference. Then go to next door Sweden and same thing. But some hillbilly Siberian tribes? Instanly can tell who is who.

  • @ngaourapahoe
    @ngaourapahoe 4 дня назад

    About the accent of the commentator, I could only get half of the speech. At times he sounded as he was speaking in Russian.

  • @kalervolatoniittu2011
    @kalervolatoniittu2011 4 дня назад

    From where did americans come,huh ?