Joe Rogan ROBBED with this $70k Sim Rig?
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EDIT: Also, I forgot about all the testing done on the rig. Thats a lot of time being put into it from P1R
Hmm I think the point of it all is been completely missed tbh,
For example not just Podium 1 but most of these simulator companies in general offer turn key solutions,
So for example they will visit the customer, discuss regarding what exactly they want to do with the hardware, go over all the solutions and different options,
but also at the end of everything they actually send out a massive team of guys usually around 4-5 guys, transport massive crates everything and in some cases its 1000,s of km depending where the customer will live, they come early on a morning then spend the entire day there and setup the entire rig-simulator, fine tune everything then sit and show the customer how it all works, all software and hardware, essentially its custom installed and turn key out the box,
considering all the custom paints and everything above we discussed I do not particularly think its a rip-off or overpriced its a tailor made solution in which I am quite sure than Joe Rogan is pleased with it.
In saying this its not something I would ever purchased or be able to just afford like this I do get a lot of enjoyment playing around and building my own rig, but like I mentioned every single forum and comment I read isnt taking into considering the custom installation of absolutely everything which is a lot of hardware.
It’s also good for people who aren’t tech savvy
What price would you consider appropriate for a 30K BOM cost ?
You cant just price just around the BoM. Theres install labour, theres the customization and theres the servicing. Once you starting this stuff all together, it adds up and thats before profit.
They can do whatever price they want. The service isnt for me, its up to the buyer to figure out where the limit is for them regarding the time they save.
@@gomini3707 Podium 1 is a business and as such has costs that you or your friends that give you advice on components don't have. For the business I am in my material cost is around 20% of the price to the customer. Labor is next biggest cost around 20%. Then there is business overhead that needs to paid: Building lease, vehicles, administration, utilities, insurance, marketing. Hopefully, if I have done my job well there is profit and the business will continue to prosper.
Your question isn't the easiest to answer because every business has different costs. What's appropriate is the amount that covers business overhead, prebuild labor time, shipping, 3 nights travel costs for 4 employees, one-stop convenience and knowledge knowhow charge (pay me for what I know), and add profit margin. Some napkin math and BOM of 40-50% of sales price seems about right putting it at $60-70K.
Joe Rogan has so much money, $30,000 to him is like spending $10 to you and I. It's no big deal
Doesn't matter how much money he has, just because someone is wealthy is no excuse for a company to rip them off, just because they can afford it. When you go food shopping would you be happy to pay double the amount of someone who has less money than you for the exact same items.
@@EoPArceye Look, people gladly pay $$ for a cup of shitty coffee at Starbucks even though that cup's BoM is probably less than a buck, and nobody complains about being overcharged. Same thing here with the Rogan's rig
@@EoPArceye Do you think these people became rich because they allow themselves to be constantly ripped off? LOL $30K is literally peanuts to some people, and let's be real, this is probably a tax right off somehow! Let people spend their money how they want!
Yes but the way the Podium1 owers expressed this was very unprofessional. Absolute jokers and Ive been a supporter and follower since 2021
@@TheCarDoc1 I have no problem with people spending their money how they want, waste it all you like. But this video was about if he was overcharged, which without a doubt he was because of who he is. It isn't about the BOM price, obviously there and expected labour charge for assembly. He was still ripped off and overpaid, Unless of course you think putting a few nuts and bolts, into pre cut materials is difficult enough to justify a higher price than the parts cost.
With the amount of money that he makes per hour on average, researching, building and setting up this whole sim rig would lose him more money than the money he has paid this company to do it for him.
Would I personally pay extra for this porsche grey paintjob? No.
For all the other aspects of the sim rig itself would I pay someone to make it for me if I had the money and I could save myself a lot of time? Yes.
But the joke is this company targets people like this so they can over charge, one company in the UK I conacted said for 25K GDP (about 31K USD) they could 100% do the same if not better, so any one sayying the 70K USD is good value aint got a clue as its clear Podium 1 looking to ripp off the lazy people with too much money
What I will never understand is this: All Podium1 had to do was to say "Yes, we charge to build and configure these simulators. This is a service for those that either don't have the knowledge or the time to build such a setup themselves. If you have both the knowledge, and time, and money, we would recommend you build your own setup".
Done, no drama, no fuss.
They also done that. Then they lost control with the insults and the owner went out of his way.
Assuming someone would do all that for free is deluded
Bingo! It really doesn't matter what they charge, if someone is willing to pay, then their business is viable and it's fair game. The issue arises when they're arguing with people in RUclips comments and being shady or outright dishonest about what they charge for what.
@@ty194 Absolutely. VKB (high end HOTAS company) had a rep that was often on Reddit arguing with people and saying that Virpil products were shit. He was such an obnoxious twat that I have refused to buy a single VKB product since, and have spent a small fortune with Virpil who have always been great to deal with.
The criticism aimed at Podium1's business model has been largely unwarranted if you ask me - they clearly provide a big and bombastic turnkey service to affluent customers and businesses - the prices are visible on their site and you are free to do your own research and compare, but their turnkey customers are going to want to avoid doing any of that, hence turnkey and hence higher prices. The reason it's become a bigger story is because of the spiky responses of the company to some of the criticism which has turned the topic away from the product, and more about them. Personally I wouldn't publicly fire back so strongly, but that's because MY business WOULD be harmed if I did that (and I wouldn't want to) whereas perhaps theirs won't be at all - who knows, it's just armchair analytics - I could be totally wrong.
If they're absolutely confident that their business won't be affected by taking a very hardline defensive stance against criticism and any negative social media attention it can bring, and they will take personal satisfaction from firing back at critics, then that's just an option available to them and it's their choice to take it. I don't think their target customer base will hear of or care about any of this in the grand scheme of things, and if so then they don't really have to care too much about community sentiment.
I wouldn't show it, but reading comments criticising my business would mildly strike a nerve. Podium1 - to my knowledge at least - aren't going out of their way to kick anyone else's business down, they're defending themselves only. Anyone that is shocked at Podium1's estimated profit margins should avoid buying a new car or a new build home, or eating at a restaurant. Businesses have to make money or they wouldn't exist, be it basic commodity or high end luxury, but you are never ever forced to buy anything.
No they just overcharge and rip everyone off who buys off them
Karma hit back
Why aren't we talking about the visibility Rogan might bring to sim racing as a hobby and esport?
This. I hate that the community has fixated on the costs rather than embracing Joe and helping him get up to speed (no pun intended).
@@flyingphoenix113 It is so myopic to gatekeep in a situation like this. It amazes me that people can't see the forest from the trees.
Because if sim racing is viewed as costing $70k you aren’t going to get anyone interested. People will see his rig and go “rich man’s toy”
Good point
He has had it for a while now and i havent heard him mention it mire than once or twice
He doesn't want to do anything so he paid them to set it up and make it ready. For people who do set up themselves it will be cheaper
but any time he plays a new game he will have to go and set it up in software as motion rigs are never just plug and play ever and normally need to be adjusted for ever game you run, there are companies in the UK that do this exact kind of service for far cheaper.
@@arranmc182 He is probably never going to use it.
Yeeehh, 23,000 in real equipment, 5,000 in comission, 35,000 in research time 😂😂😂. men for real??
how much do you think joe rogans time is worth for him
@@randomcallsign could be 10,000 a minute, but it doesn,t mean he wasn’t heavily overcharged for at least 30,000. Also those companies should pay distributors prices. Should Joe Rogan pay 300,000 for a tesla plaid instead 82,000 just because he is Joe Rogan? even though he knows nothing about ecars??
Anybody will pay list price for a car. But using that analogy, Joe didn't buy a list price car, he bought a custom made car, like a Mansory or an alpina, or even a custom rolls. Those cars have more man hours than you expect.
This rig alone has likely 200 hours from procurement, build to delivery.
It's hidden costs and services you don't see and think that they don't exist
@@randomcallsign ok well, if we use your analogy, then why just charge 63,000, why not 150,000 im sure Joe Rogan’s time worth more!! Anyway its just difference of opinions, i enjoy your channel, keep up the good work 👍
@@randomcallsignIt really doesn't matter what they charge, it matters that they start arguing with everyone and lie about it.
No different to ppl spending triple for a pre built PC, but i think what triggered ppl the most is how it wasnt even setup very well
It's an ignorance and convenience tax.
And that's ok, in every field there are some who actually know better and could do it cheaper but the majority of people aren't that person.
Can't blame the dude for not having hundreds of hours to investigate sim racing like us nuts did voluntarily.
Its ignorant to say that convenience is ignorance…
@@tonamg53 ignorant of the product, genius.
@@Hatredy11 so paying for convenient means you must be ignorant of the product?
What an ignorant idiot…
Let's be honest here: who cares?
Imagine I come past you on Logitech and your on a 70k rig it’s gg
People don’t understand that rich people over pay for convenience. We all would do that if we had the means to. Do you think Rogan is concerned about possibly being ripped off by a few thousand… no!
Exactly. The rich even hire "professional shoppers" to do their luxury shopping for them. "Nobody ain't got time for that!" as the rich probably say.
Just cause he has a lot of money doesn’t give the company the right to rip him off.
Regardless of cost, that company are awful and don't deserve the opportunity to fleece the dullebrities.
Man after seeing how immature every person building the rig is I def would never buy. The things those kids yes im calling them kids. The things those kids said are just ridiculous. I cant imsgine ruinging half of your business overnight by letting peoples opinions get to you so much you got on an all out attack. Lol
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@randomcallsign
I agree with your opinion. Where Joe is in his life, I would also pay Podium 1 for a turn key product.
Exactly! As a Senior DevOps Architect I make nearly $200,000/yr (USD) and I STILL find money to be FAR more valuable than time, LMAO! To an extent, at least. I would rather invest time in building my sim rig to save money as opposed to pay someone to build it out. It's all relative.
compared to joe you're insanely poor, he makes 60 million on the lower end estimate. for him you're just an ant, and his rig expense was a drop of water.
and everyone else criticizing him doesn't even exist.
wasting time learning all the needed shit would actually make him lose much more money than just buying the rig he bought but people have their heads too much up their arse to understand that
you might have an opposite take on that when you dont have very much time left but all of this useless currency that wont matter to you when youre in a casket
But what if there's a lot of consulting jobs waiting for you, with good pay per hour. Will you still spend the time build your rig, or spend the time to earn the money, and pay a fraction of those money to buy a ready to race rig?
Well, it's your choice. If you find building a rig very relaxing and is exactly what you need to prevent you from burn out at work, then it's worth it. But Joe may not like it, he just want to enjoy the drive.
Secondly he asked for the best of the best, of course it will be expensive
Daniel Morad says his Rig cost about 40-50K and it’s not even as nice as Joes Rig. Most of the negative feedback back was inflamed by Jimmy’s ignorant comments. Example was the monitors being mounted to the rig. It was funny when he went jumped on Misha’s new simulator and Misha asked if he was ok with the monitors not moving😂
I have no idea what Jimmy was thinking when he made that initial comment of monitors not mounted to the rig. It was only 6 months earlier he was driving the real DTM BMW motion sim worth 1 Million pounds and that screen wasn't mounted to the sim.
Hahahhaa he’s got my car seat for a SIM RIG. RESPECT!
I see on a TV show "Below Deck" rich people tipping $20,000 for a 3 day yacht cruise on top of the already $150,000 fee. $30,000 for set up and warranty seems like it is worth it compared to $20k for drinks. food and other services for 3 days. Rich people love to waste money..... let them waste it, better for us living and working in the real world. Helps that company to stay in business and pay/hire staff.
Should have charged him more!
I work at a place like that, and RC hit the nail right on the head. Its time consuming to establish what the customer needs, assemble everything, cable manage, dissasemble to a point it can be delivered, reassemble post delivery, all the setup and testing (how much time to you spend calculating your FOV, FFB profiles and all the other intricaties, and dont forget you already know all of these things. Someone with their first sim might not even know those things are even a thing to worry about yet) personally im glad im not wealthy enough to pay someone to set one up like that for me because i enjoy the tinkering and perfecting things for my use on my sim, but like RC said, whats more important, time or money?
I'm sure the quality or the value for money can be justifiesd for certain customers like Joe Rogan, BUT what I've recently seen is how the company's representatives and the CEO are responding to criticism and random comments online. The recent replies on videos and reddit posts were concerning to say the least
spending time learning all the needed shit would actually make him lose much more money than just buying the rig he bought but people have their heads too much up their arse to understand that.
and 1 week is still pretty unrealistic to put that kind of rig together with everything working. think more about a month of research, figuring out what specs you really want alone, figuring out not only how to build but which position would be best etc, then taking care of the software and getting everything working to a competent level. you need to order different parts from different suppliers and wait until you can put it all together.
if Joe makes 60 million a year, 5 million would be a month's worth of his time. his rig was really cheap for him. he spent way less than 5 million and 1 month of his dedication to the rig to obtain a same quality result would be reasonable. so he spent what he spent instead of not earning 5 million. It's by far the better way out.
people just think they are smarter than they are, think they know it all, and just because they know a bit about a topic they become really arrogant and lose perspective.
Most of the people who said this was a robbery, are paying for ACC setups instead of searching them for free on youtube or google... Paid setups are the biggest robbery in simracing, that's a fact.
i been sim racing for about 3 years & after fine tuning GFX performance & steering wheel FFB alone i have easily spent countless weeks on each game (if not months), then i spent probably a couple of months researching & building my own customised rig, about to get into transducers, no doubt i will be playing with those for the same amount of time (if not more) i know Joe is rich but he is missing half the fun
The price you pay when you want something you dont want to build yourself, I think it was fair price.
I still think it's a big premium but I understand the different way of thinking about solving a problem:
I'd ask myself how can I do that and what tools and material do I need.
Others ask who can do that and how much do I have to pay them.
This is basically the Ferrari of sim rigs. I can't imagine putting that kind of money into something like that unless it's going to pay for itself over time.
You're spot on. It depends what your own time is worth. If your time is worth 100$ per minute, it wouldn't make sense for him to spend hours and hours to research what gear to buy, or the time assemble it. If you're worth 100's of millions, spending 70k is no big deal, spending 15 hours to research and make purchases, then 5 hours to assemble it, willt be a way worse economic way to do things. If it's actually WORTH 70k: if you do everything yourself and spend your time doing things, ofcourse it would be way cheaper
Quick google search found that Joe, earns about 60M$ to 100m$ a year. If you do the math he makes 20k/35k an hour. 30k ITS NOTHING. Its the equivelant of going to starbucks on sunday and buying a caramel late for you and your girl!
Yeah, he paid over the odds, but Rogan has a $100 million contract with Spotify, so I don't think he really cares about that. That rig could be improved upon - Jimmy Broadbent's observations were spot on - but Rogan most likely do one or two hours on it and then not give it another thought.
Interesting to watch Podium's RUclips reaction video. They kinda sounded defensive, lol.
Totally agree with you, however there are other videos of compnies who build rigs and they charge for the service as you explain, but not 30000. Actually I was surprised with what thoes companies charge, but they where adding around 10 thousand to the value not 30. In this specific case I even would say that the price is fake to give more importance to the video, which is publicity to him (personal or public publicity) and the company (even when in this case was bad for the company)
Running any business cost more than the parts themselves. I can buy the same cut of meat a restaurant does but the knowledge, tools, and ingredients to prepare that is well beyond my chef skills so I pay the business much more than what they paid for that piece of meat. Podium 1 needs to embrace and promote exactly who they are and what they do while supporting sim racing as a hobby for everyone. They offer knowledge, support, and a complete service that comes with a price. Their current customer is not someone that has the time or desire to research what parts are best, worry about compatibility, ordering parts form different stores, spend time assembling, etc.
He's a billionaire.
I just build my first simrig and just for setup i've already rebuild it 2 time to do some adjustments. In the end you are paying for the experience and the turn key simracing experience. No setup no problem-solving, just seat and drive.
A lot of people are getting fleeced like this and it's not just Joe Rogan.
While I understand the argument about time being more valuable than money, high end system require a lot of research and knowledge to tune them to one’s taste. I have a pretty decent system with motion and tactile (I use a separate,server rack for the latter). While I can see myself paying for the install and basic and configuration I cannot imagine someone else dialing it up,for my own taste and needs (something that needs to be done per sim and sometimes per car and track. All the personal research spent learning about the hardware and software is key to optimizing the setup. Unless you guess someone full time to do it for you on site, you will never get close to an optimum setup. It is like racing with max assists , it can give you a taste of the racing but you will always be limited by your crutches. Getting the most out of any hobby requires knowing the ins and outs of the craft, no amount of money will change that.
He makes so much more money spreading misinformation the wasted effort of researching sim racing, what's good, what's bad, and putting it all together would have cost him so much more. He got a good deal.
So your saying charging someone $30k for the research and build is ok WOW It’s a rip off simple.
BIGGEST QUESTION DID THEY TELL JOE HE WAS PAYING $30k for the pleasure.
I still think he should have built the rig himself, because if he is really sim racing, that time isn't making him money. In the long time he will face issues he will have to figure out himself especially when it's past office hours.
I dont see the big deal, work hard play harder. He is entitled to be a sim racer or driver if he puts in the time just like anybody else. If not, well not a problem, Joe just got himself a cool toy.
The owner basically said “your too broke to afford one, someone just spend your yearly salary on this rig why is your opinion relevant” what absolute jokers
The price is the highest the market will bear. It's capitalism, baby.
I'd be interested in how many hours Joe has spent using his rig.
Your time as a consumer cannot be factored into the price, If it takes me 1 hour or 100 hours to find the best deal on something, it is time I will spend as and when it is convenient to me, It costs me nothing.
Don't attempt to justify it, they will do it all the more.
For a company who specialises in the items required to complete the order, they should have enough knowledge to know where the best deals are found and spend very little time. In fact they probably have a spreadsheet set up with known sources and budget setting, enter budget spreadsheet selects the best components for the price.
Joe was over charged because of his popularity and of course they knew he could afford it, no question about it.
"Your time as a consumer cannot be factored into the price" - You make decisions all the time based on this.
Why do so many sim racers upload videos of themselves staring at a camera. PUT GAMEPLAY ON THE SCREEN!!!
Why
Sucks, and it sets a bad example for someone looking to getting into Sim Racing. But It's Rogan's money
Seeing JR the conspiracy theorist getting ripped off in real time is worth its weight in gold!!!
A fool is soon parted with his money 🤪
you would expect that the motion has surge.....
He was obv ripped off. Paid way more for them to build it then the actual cost.
Ripped off no, able to pay for anything he needs yes. Horses for courses as we say in the UK.
did the billionaire get ripped off for something he willingly paid for that didn't even make a dent
No. To him it's like overpaying at McDonald's
I think that it is no big deal. I hope Joe will have good fun with his setup.
I understand your point but the reality is different… let me explain, lets assume that they provided him with top pc and top hardware and set it up everything perfectly for him with just one click you have everything working. There is no way that he will understand how to fully use and setup his sim to his comfort. Also these things even if you have top range hardware gives you hassle and if you don’t have a clue what is happening you end up spending all your time you had on the sim with a rap trying to see why your wheel is not working or how to do an update. You also mentioned that you can have a peace of mind if You have an Rma…. In my case I have a spare 5nm base which cost 250 euro so if anything happens I still can drive. So no way that a 25k rig will cost 70k because time is more important than money. In my opinion only stupid ppl go for this bait
its until you figure out that for a lot of people peace of mind is so important that they pay a premium for it, especially when they don't know anything about the subject and have limited time to pursue this interest.
i paid my house less, and i not leaving in a 3rd world country
saying this aint a rip off is mad as in the UK we have companies that will sell you ready to go setups like this for like half the cost one company will ship me an almost Identical setup for around 25K GBP thats about 31k USD so how the fuck they charging 70K, pure 100% rip off, this company is targetting people that have too much money and dont care what they buy.
I know a few of them in and around the UK. At this spec, they charge more than you mention.
@@randomcallsignThey don't change 70k
The vesaro 10 is 105,000 gbp.
@@randomcallsign That's such a false equivalent and you know it. Nowhere near like for like.
Is it though? What does the vesaro has over this rig that warrants over 60k usd in cost difference?
If we use your logic, might as well use it where it takes us, instead of arbitarly creating a cut off point.
A setup that is exactly like this will have a very similar list price.
yeah im not totally for sure why people are trashing podium 1 for the price. i know the bill of materials may only come out to be 30 grand but what about the HOURS AND HOURS WORKED. IS THAT WORTH NOTHING? I get him catching flack for the social media stuff. always take the highroad when your in a possible position of severe scrutiny.
yeah, the BoM is not totally central in these cases. Even if the labour might not be that much, the expertise and service is really important for these customers
The labor cost isn't worth a normal person's yearly salary. He could have hired an assistant to do it better and cheaper.
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Yes he was robbed and I coulnd't care the slightest.
personally i commented on their video that their exaggerating about taking 15-20 hours just to cable manage the rig and not about the cost itself if thats all they do every day is build rigs made no sense to me and they did not like that comment…
And that's the issue, they come across as dishonest and immature.
Do you think he gets enraged in true elitist style when a pad player beats him. blames it on the game or pads are Op. 😂 It’s not fair hes got all high end stuff. Not just time. Some people may love racing games and put the hours in but some just don’t possess the natural ability
I think hell eat some elk meat and do some DMT
Joe seems to be an extremely busy guy. If he took time away to research and assemble a rig like that, he’d probably loose more money than what it’s costs him to pay have someone do it for him, plus some.
He also doesn't have time to play games... Hmm...
I wasnt impressed with what he got for 63000
yes and yes in so many way podium1 is a rip company
People forget you need to pay their wages
Agree😊 JR afaik might earn 100x more per year than this rig, so for him it is a ultra budget rig😄 The main question should be, did NASA went to the moon (Bart Sebril) and was there an advanced civilisation before the Younger Drias (Christopher Dunn, Randell Carlson, Graham Hancock)? I forgot to sim race because this is more exiting.
I figured it was 30k of stuff, 20k of design/setup/trucking/labor, and 20k for rogan not to have to think about it beyond "I want an awesome sim rig"
with that said, I think that 50 would have been a more "reasonable" final price than 70, but it's fine.
Yes it's expensive but considering all the factors it's not "that" expensive in the end. Their target is narrow because few people can actually spend that much money but when money is not a problem, you would defintely go for a solution that gives you everything you need without too much thinking
I spent a lot of money on an aluminum rig that i can configure with quad monitors. It’s been 3 years and i did more alignment and still doing alignment on the rig. I am jot qualified to make things. People need to calm down and stop asking for TLDR for TLDR on a TLDR.
I bought some items from Podium 1 and they are great people to deal with.
Thank you for NOT instantly reacting and being level headed on your analysis
This is the take that needed to be expressed! If I added the amount of time I spent researching and mulling over the gear for my rig, along with testing and setting things up, the actual cost for my overall rig would probably more than double, if not tipple if I calculated based on what I think my time is worth. Time is more valuable than money as once it's spent, you never get it back.
If you want 'turn key' installed in your home, you will pay a premium.
Seen one guy said his was 130k, but all Adjustments (Wheel,Seat, and Pedals) were Motorized.. It was really cool but over the top in my opinion unless you just have that kind of money to burn..
If I had Joe Rogan kind of money I would probably go the same route. Let someone else set it up and have a phone number for when shit breaks. I'd be happy to cough up the premium as long as the service is on point.
Clearly, Joe Rogan takes sim racing more seriously than you reading this comment. He spent 70k.
Jo Ro has Fuck you money, this is totally fine with these types of people. Good Vid Bro
He got robbed !!!
RC deserves $70k pa for his services to sim racing.
Don't @me, just send him the money!
Become a member 😂
I wasn’t expecting such an optimistic perspective from you on this. Very refreshing.
they'll sell it to joey diaz for $7
joey, can you show that? not the DMT, the other thing?
@@randomcallsign *so I took a shit in a cardboard box in prison*
have you done ayhuasca?
So a rich guy got stiffed.
That was pocket change
As others have said, he has so much money it's a non-issue.
I have just one gripe with Joe's simracing rig. Why would he use it, when he can, in the same time, go to the track, and drive IRL whatever car he wants. I have a hard time believing he'll spend any time in his sim rig. That was just a PR stunt for the company which provided the service.
Going to a track isnt as simple. Getting the car ready, needing to figure out time to get there, needing to find slots for a track day.
@@randomcallsign Imagine his schedule. He probably has everything planned weeks in advance. Almost every hour of his day. So even thought I think I was a little hyperbolic, it's not far from the truth. He can just say, two days before next UFC, I want to drive a car, and his manager takes care of everything.
yeah, but he has money for that. and simracing.
Even if I was a billionaire, I'd still want to research and build it. Isn't that part of the fun?
no. The fun is when you drive but for some people including myself, it's a pain in the ass to search countless hours for stuff that will be obsolete in few times
No. If I was a billionaire, I would hire YOU to do research, and assemble it. And I would put into contract that if I don't like FFB (or anything else), you have to fix it in the same day. If not, you're paying penalty. :)
@@alpha007org lol, the thing is, I’d probably be happy to do it!
no you wouldn't because if you were that rich you would know time is worth more.
You're not thinking like a billionaire, mate.
not optimal
Sry mate...If you have to pay double what it is worth just to bring and place this, it is the same for everyone, heavily ripped off, no matter how you want to explain it
Agreed