if we are alone in the universe then why are we alone and what makes us so special and separate from any other possible races that could have been. is there some filter that when a race reaches a certain stage of development that causes them to die out, the theory of entropy for example. what if the reason we are alive as a race is because we passed a filter of existence. then if we are the only living organisms in the universe then why, what makes us so special. but anyway if we don't kill ourselves then entropy will.
The Borg were the most flat out terrifying thing in all of Star Trek... until Voyager ruined them and they became an absolute joke, when they just kept failing
sometimes the best thing for monsters like the borg, Xenomorph, and weeping angels is to say nothing. allow the idea itself to take hold in the minds of the audience. let their imagination fill the blanks.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Or say "Screw That Noise" and give the Borg a preening, Saturday morning cartoon villain Queen who fails constantly and takes away the terror of the vast, faceless, impersonal behemoth that the Borg were supposed to be
Damn this retelling of Wolf 359 is chilling to the core. It really does put the terror of the Borg in there and makes you realize just how close the Federation had come to a complete and abysmal collapse if it weren’t for the heroic efforts of the crew of the Enterprise D
I have to say, this was remarkable in the fact that you really brought the Borg back to its routes. A faceless, relentless, unstoppable enemy. Something I think Voyager watered down. I was about 5-6 when I first watched Best of Both Worlds. Would have been earlier but we only had BBC 2 to rely upon. No Sky 1 prime viewing. I digress. The Borg scared the hell out of me at that age! Loving the HP Lovecraft/HG Wells background. Needless to say, after watching this, I feel that unease with the Borg once again. You sir are a genius!
The Borg Queen watered them down. She was necessary for the movie - they needed a villain with a "human" face. But her presence turned Borg from a decentralized, mechanistic, ruthlessly inhuman collective of powerfully intelligent automatons into a vulnerable and dependant collection of mindless parts. She could be proud, arrogant, greedy, territorial, envious, angry, hateful, sated, sublime - she had a psychology which could be predicted and which could be manipulated - and all her drones would malfunction or crash when their link to this one critical center was interrupted.
Borg: "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile." Worf: "Assimilate this!"
U.S.S. Voyager NCC-74656 Captain Kathryn Janeway: "I don't like bullies, I don't like threats and I don't like you!" "DEPLOYED ARMOR, TARGET THE NEAREST CUBE, FIRE TRANSPHASICS TORPEDOES!" Lieutenant Commander Tuvok:"Firing Torpedoes" BORG CUBE EXPLODES. "Target the Second Cube, Fire" BORG CUBE EXPLODES. Aftermath Captain Janeway orders her cup of Coffee "Open a Channel to the Borg" Ensign Kim: "Channel opened Ma'am" Captain Janeway: "What were you saying about resistance...?"
The Feds are lucky the Borg are more like a cybernetic fungus, and less like self replicating Von Neumann nodes. The Borg are limited by the need to breed or assimilate living beings as their primary substrate. Of course, if they were completely A.I. they likely wouldn't notice Starfleet at all. How insulting would that be? Imagine the poor Klingons!
That is not the lesson learned here. The lesson was "diplomacy doesn't always work without a strong military backing". For a enemy with no morals why would they even bother with diplomacy if there is nothing to risk from just taking what they want.
Me: No way could the Borg be made terrifying like they were when I was but a young viewer. *Venom Geek Media paraphrases HG Wells in the prologue* Me again: (cold sweat intensifies)
Added just the right amount of eeriness to the atmosphere. Not the first time there has been such a nod to H. G. Wells in reference to the Borg, as a ship named Thunderchild is in the movie First Contact.
You describe the battle of Wolf 359 in horrifying detail! This proves that the Borg are truly evil and that space with all its wonder can have horrors beyond comprehension! Best channel to date!
Evil? Effective. These aren't duelists, with rapiers drawn at dawn in the dewy mists- these are ships of war, facing each other with the only goal being the destruction of the opposing side. To quote the Klingons, "noHghoblu'DI' yayquv law' HochquvpuS." (In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory.)
Yeah, I'd say, now we know, why the Enterprise couldn't take part in this slaughter... The nightmares this would have caused... they would have been legendary.
i wouldnt call the borg evil honestly they are more like a force of nature an un ending devouring swarm wich converts anything it touches and anything it cant convert to itself it destroys
Evil isn't something I would describe. Good and evil is something that someone can choose to do or don't. The Borg, like the Combine in Half life, are highly efficient machine with no greater goal in mind but to grow and advance with no soul.
When this was first shown on BBC2 I was terrified of the Borg, they were so scary. That fear lasted well into my teens, even when watching First Contact, I viewed a lot of it from the gaps between my fingers. Your narration really brings back the horror of the Borg.
@Wayney Watney - fun fact, there wasn't a Conny at Wolf 359, it was put there for one shot as a subliminal way of saying "doesn't matter if Picard or Kirk were there, they would not have survived" same as the Galaxy class wreckage, USS Constellation maybe? I forgot which was Galaxy
Fascinating usage of a tone from both War of the Worlds and the works of H.P. Lovecraft. It presents the Borg in a eldritch form, one of pure and utter dread. One that is cold, calculated, and uncaring. As if one's very soul is being clenched by an invisible hand, indifferent to whether or not one can still breath. Makes the battle itself and the video all the more interesting and enjoyable to watch.
22:40 ; This the first I recall hearing all the ships name side by side in a video. 39 is just a number. To see and hear each and every name, and for the time it takes to list said names. It just emphasizes the scale of the lost.
Yes you did bring this great effect. Some of the names of ships where the ships Commander river was given chance to command. How lucky was he for doing this and the federation. What a very chilling end of innocence. Much more worse than the attack of Pearl Harbor. Though the call to arms to battle this cube invader ended in victory the very heavy price paid made the sting unforgettable. The rise of war ships after this battle made starfleet still not ready but capable of fighting still at cost of ships and lives. This berial space would be horrifying.
@@rayhatton7683 I can't imagine the survivor's guilt Riker must have felt the moment Shelby mentioned the Melbourne was among those ships destroyed. His refusal to take command saved his life, but I doubt he got much comfort from that
@@fightingfalcon777 there is no doubt in my mind his survivors guilt would be an end of his choice in star fleet and his character as a whole. Like a true boss he marched forward but it's clear he will never forget those names and ships. Much like Pearl Harbor. These ships and names will be forever egeded in lore alone. How badly Star fleet was not ready for this fight. As irony brings forth many survivors. DS9 commander will never forget locuts. Battle stations!!!!!!!!
Offfft. Always thought of wolf 359 as a stand up fight against a technologically superior enemy... This is nightmare fuel. Compelling stuff. Well done.
This is why talk of the weakness of the Golden Age has never sat right with me. The only people who could defeat the borg was the Federation after being crushed by the Borg. The Borg are such an outside context incident that the biggest war hawks in the alpha and beta quadrants fielding the best of what to that date existed would still be crushed. No amount of authoritarian militaristic sleeping with a phaser under the pillow can save you from the Borg.
To think all of this would lead to the development of the Akira, Defiant, Sabre, Steamrunner, Nova, Intrepid, and Sovereign classes of combat vessels between 2368 and 2373.
We know the Defiant-class was already on the drawing board prior to Wolf 359, but it and the other classes were fast-tracked into production afterward.
@Lexington73300 The registries may or may not be strictly chronological, but it does seem like something like the basic concepts were conceived earlier, maybe in a somewhat different role or form, at time. 60000 registries generally seem to equal the 2350s, but perhaps with many left blank for a while. But the Nova, Intrepid and Sovereign definitely come later, either way.
Great vid. It makes me think of Sisco and Jake and their loss of wife/mother. I keep thinking of Sisco meeting Picard on that first episode of ds9 and how Sisco was still suffering the loss and how stupid it was for Starfleet to have Picard be the one to address Sisco.
Shows how short-sighted Starfleet is, their thinking of "his duty to the Federation will over come any grief or anger he may be suffering" Picard's lucky he didn't get his shit utterly rocked. I've seen Ben tiger uppercut a Cardassian tailor through the air for far less
It actually strikes me as coldly cunning. Sisko has to keep the peace between victims of fascism and their former fascist oppressors. If he can't keep composed against Picard then he shouldn't be posted there.
In a novelization of the DS9 premiere, when the Saratoga encounters The Cube, the captain ( a Vulcan ) frowns, causing serious worry inside Sisko's inner voice. It was the closest thing to a outburst in the captain that Sisko had ever seen.
Basically, Locutus's Cube just walked through the middle of Adm. Hansen's fleet, wrecking ships willy-nilly and headed straight on towards Earth; this was just about the most lopsided fleet battle in Starfleet's history up to that point as it turns out.
Was it the Borg that wreak Star Fleet or was it .. Picard ? Borg, " Okay Picard, these are our weapons, so what can you do with them ?" Picard, " Watch & see."
@@krispalermo8133 Promising idea; especially if what's hinted at in "First Contact" really is the case: that Picard *is* Locutus; so that would explain how he could hear them at and before and during the battle.
The big facepalm moment was Picard knew all the shield and weapon frequencies of the ships in the fleet and they didnt change them after he was captured. Arguably without that information it would have been a much more even fight
See, if always interpreted that 1 starship, the Nebula class Endeavour survived, due to a review of a log from the Endeavour by Janeway in Scorpion I think it was
@@oldmanjim2376 Alex Wilkin is right, because the USS Endeavour was also at the battle for sector 001, making it the only ship to fight the Borg twice and survive. And in case there's any doubt, Memory Alpha's entry about the USS Endeavour confirms this.
I always thought of Wolf 359 is this sort of "flash in the pan" event in Federation history. A devastating one to be sure, but something that was nonetheless quick and relatively painless for those who had been killed during the battle. Yet it goes deeper than that. So much deeper than was portrayed in the cursory descriptions offered by the TNG episodes. What truly transpired in those horrifying 10 minutes would even give Klingons nightmares...
Pitiful Earthlings, hurling your bodies into the void without the slightest inkling of who or what may be out there. If you had any idea, ANY idea what so ever, you would have hidden from it in terror - *Ming The Merciless*
Very well done! I liked your adaptation of H. G. Wells' War of the Worlds prologue, give this presentation the right amount of eeriness in the atmosphere. Not quite sure how I like the Borg's fighting tactics in the battle, although to be fair if it was ten minutes of "this starship attacked and then was destroyed, followed by such and such ship and then such and such ship..." that would be boring so, I guess I liked it! Again, great job! I will await your further works with great anticipation.
AWESOME STORY TELLING!, THE TIME AND ENERGY IT TOOK TO RESEARCH AND LIST EVERY SINGLE SHIP AND WHAT HAPPENED TO EVERY SINGLE SHIP IS NEXT GEN AND AMAZING!GREAT WORK!
A well done and chilling retelling of the events of battle. While doubtful the battle lasted that long, truly this video shows that the Borg cubes of old are truly the final bosses that if you are careless you will lose.
The perfect video to watch, or listen to on October 31st. I love how the video detailing the event of the episode Best of Both Worlds, used lines from War of the Worlds. And like HG Wells style, questions the dangers of technology and the unknown future of discovery.
I don't mean to be a Melvin here, but does anyone else notice all these battles are being fought in 2D? I mean, Spock noticed this behavior when they fought Khan in the Mutara Nebula, and so they used the 3rd Dimension to out maneuver him
There is cross platform game called Star Trek Bridge Crew. There is a Borg Resistance mission. Going underneath the Cube to a blind spot where all it's weapons won't connect is exactly how my friends and I beat it.
We always thought that the Borg just obliterated those that resisted, however this battle the Borg don't just destroy the enemy, they are Beyond sadistic about it. You have a great job in this video describing the horror that is the Borg
Yeah. Idk where this guy is getting some of his info. System J-25 was in Beta Quadrant, not Delta, and the Borg invasion began at the end of 2366 and ended at the beginning of 2367.
So true! A techno-Lovecraftian creepy body horror engine, seeking to own you and repurpose you while you experience all of it. Far better to be killed outright.
@Snake Plisken Douggie Hauser in Waffen SS larping attire mind melds with an abominable Brain Bug. "It's AFRAID!!!" And everyone cheers. One of the greatest moments of my childhood!
@Snake Plisken That's true. They even subspecialize drones like ants do. If they didn't recruit by violent personality sublimation they may as well be insects. The Alien-mythos xenomorphs come closest, but they use their captives as egg fodder which kills the victim. The Borg don't want to kill anyone, they want far more than that.
voyager borg were garbage? so... in YOUR opinion, theres no way janeway could have won despite having more advanced tech, a literal walking database for a doctor AND an actual borg drone assisting them? typical voyager hater rhetoric.
Absolutely awesome production. You filled in so many details about the battle that I speculated on but now understand. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Riker had called for help from Cue? Certainly there are some telepathic and almost Incomprehensible beings that could defeat the Borg I haven’t seen any technological ones that could accomplish it!
Excellent commentary. I've loved every one of your battlespace episodes. This one takes it to another level. Well done.
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Great video Venom.... can’t wait to see what you do next time! P.S. I recommend everyone watch this twice; you’d be surprised how much you miss on the first viewing.
As much of a disaster Worf 359 was for Starfleet, it was this defeat that ultimately saved the Federation. Decades of peace had their fleet readiness being sorely lacking, and this massacre was the swift kick in the ass the Federation needed to get their stuff together. They immediately began a series of newer, more powerful ships that were almost exclusively built for war. So by the time the Dominion invaded the Alpha Quadrant, StarFleet had the kind of ships they needed to combat this foe.
Wow! This video has passed 100k views! I Highly Recommend watching with the lights OFF... there are some amazing quotes in the comments i wish i could pin them all.
@stanglider01 sure thing. i've done some breakdowns in my Cardassian Border war series. ruclips.net/p/PLjNbxX7w4eoimvVR5l2FsQtl92v3ds4pR but also looking more in detail in Shipchat ruclips.net/p/PLjNbxX7w4eoiCnDafo7a_eV4cvQoaM35X
You got Cheyenne right! Awesome breakdown! This may be a first, others have spoken of the battle but I've never seen a blow by blow account. Well done all around sir.
Wasn't there supposed to have been a Constitution in the fleet? I've always heard that. Supposed to have been on screen, though admittedly, I've never been able to make one out in the debris field.
Speaking of hubris... The Borg must have picked it up from Starfleet, specifically - from Picard himself. As Admiral Clancy put it: *"sheer fu-ing hubris!"* Lol.
This was a great video as all of the videos on the Venom Geek channel. For those who view Wolf 359 as Captain Picard's fault, they are sadly mistaken. It is clear that the Borg would have won even without benefiting from Picard's captured knowledge. Their technology was just on a different level.
Wow awesome video! I never thought the Borg would use so many clever tactics. I always just saw them as a big battering ram and they’d just pick off attacking ships like a dog scratching at a flea. You’re right about Starfleet’s crappy attack plan, sending waves of ships in. That’s why I’m glad they adopted the swarm formation at the Battle of Sector 001. They still took heavy losses, but were at least making headway in damaging the Cube and were still fighting hours later, not just a laughable 10 minutes. Wasn’t the Oberth-class USS Bonestell at Wolf 359? Its usually said to be the ship we see explode outside of the room where Jennifer Sisko died in “Emissary”.
I almost consider this the death bell to the Federations 120 years of pure exploration with phasers and torpedos purely designed for peace keeping. Voyager even had significant fire power boost for a ship of its type and class.
24:21 at the end of the lost ships, you forgot the 1 Constitution Class we know was there. We see her Engineering section in the debris as the Enterprise -D flies by.
Idky I am finding these things so many years after looking for awesome Star Trek stuff (technical jargon😉). So glad to come across this! You would think this would be an amazing (sad) crossover movie. Weird they are just like, "Uh, stuff happened. Sisko mad. Things sad😐" Thanks for sharing this👍👍👍
The best thing about this is that narration and word usage like damn man lOL...but also you gave dates date can be matched to what else was going on in the trek universe while all this was unfolding. For some odd reason i thought the battle of wolf 359 took place around December.
@@sephservant Not really shelved. My theory is that they were ALL there. All of the ships of those new classes....blown up at Wolf 359. That's why we NEVER see them again. imagine Starfleet Engineering freaking out that their new ships were wrecked, and the virtual hard on they got when they were told to design ships that could withstand that. LOL
Damn this was good. I remember being really underwhelmed when I'd watched The Best Of Both Worlds because I watched DS9 and its scenes from Wolf 359 first. There is one scene that sticks with me however for futile nobility of it. The Mars Defense Fleet, so tiny compared to the cube, flying in and getting swatted because damn it if they could buy Earth even one second, one millisecond, it would be something and they were not going to sit back without trying even when it was hopeless.
Yeah, there was a Constitution present, Starfleet with its commitment to exploration and it's home sectors peaceful had committed the vast bulk of it's fleet to the frontier leaving the home systems effectively unguarded baring whatever static defences were present and a scattering of ships on routine patrols, refiting and resupplying at Starbases, finishing fitting out in ship yards and in fleet reserve, this motley collection of ships was Starfleets mighty defence fleet.
Wow 😳 just wow 😳 Some excellent story telling in a way that filled in the blanks TNG wasn’t able to do in best of both worlds The description of the battle strategies and attack patterns of starfleet you described made the borg an unstoppable and overwhelming force that starfleet underestimated at that time I’d like to see a story of the battle at sector 001 to see how starfleet learned from that fateful battle ok yes we all know how it went down but your storytelling and battle descriptions give it that much more Excellent video keep up the fantastic work 👏👏👏👏
"The destroyed ships made a barrier of debris, cutting off escape" If only space had a third dimension to maneuver in to help avoid such an obstacle! Truly the Borg are unstoppable masters of tactics and strategy!
The steps walk closer... It speaks with a cold, flat monotonous voice, "*WE ARE THE BORG, LOWE YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS, WE WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN, YOUR CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SURVICE US, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE*".
Wow great video man I love this series the Borgs tactics are brutal I hope this isnt the end of this series would love to see more keep up the good work:)
He narrated this not only like a horror book... it IS a "book", not a horror book but a complete adaption of the intro of "The War of the Worlds" (Music adaption by Jeff Wayne, Original book by H.G. Wells). The beginning of Jeff Wayne's music version is nearly identical. In the English Version Richard Burton is the narrator and main protagonist, in the German Version it is Curd Jürgens. A very great audio drama with also great music. First published in 1898 as a science fiction book, CBS broadcasted it on October, 30th 1938; the evening before Halloween. The radio broadcast was so realistic, that great parts of the population in the region freaked out because they believed that there was an invasion from Mars. Most came late from work and missed the beginning where CBS said that they will hear a radio story. The impact and psychological influence was so extreme, that many listeners became traumatized so CBS and H.G. Wells have to apologize in an official radio broadcast.
You narrated this like it was a horror book........it was very effective.
Bones was right about how terrifying space is after all.
Star Trek Creepypasta, pretty cool
it was ok i guess, i dont know what was the point of it
@@matthewwilson5019 doesn't have to be one
Narrated like an awful amateur.
"Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying."
_Arthur C. Clarke_
Another citizen of the greater Terran Union I see
Well, if we are alone (which we are), then there's no way to be conquered by aliens.
@@TimothyChapman And if we are not, they fall beneath the Iron Bootheel of The Imperium of Man
if we are alone in the universe then why are we alone and what makes us so special and separate from any other possible races that could have been. is there some filter that when a race reaches a certain stage of development that causes them to die out, the theory of entropy for example. what if the reason we are alive as a race is because we passed a filter of existence. then if we are the only living organisms in the universe then why, what makes us so special. but anyway if we don't kill ourselves then entropy will.
@@weldonwin I do not understand the reference.
I am more scared of the Borg now that I was when I first time I saw them back in TNG thanks to your talents.
The Borg were the most flat out terrifying thing in all of Star Trek... until Voyager ruined them and they became an absolute joke, when they just kept failing
sometimes the best thing for monsters like the borg, Xenomorph, and weeping angels is to say nothing. allow the idea itself to take hold in the minds of the audience. let their imagination fill the blanks.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Or say "Screw That Noise" and give the Borg a preening, Saturday morning cartoon villain Queen who fails constantly and takes away the terror of the vast, faceless, impersonal behemoth that the Borg were supposed to be
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Weeping Angels...now I won't be able to sleep. Thanks....
@@lancekilkenny3801 don't blink!
Damn this retelling of Wolf 359 is chilling to the core. It really does put the terror of the Borg in there and makes you realize just how close the Federation had come to a complete and abysmal collapse if it weren’t for the heroic efforts of the crew of the Enterprise D
I have to say, this was remarkable in the fact that you really brought the Borg back to its routes. A faceless, relentless, unstoppable enemy. Something I think Voyager watered down.
I was about 5-6 when I first watched Best of Both Worlds. Would have been earlier but we only had BBC 2 to rely upon. No Sky 1 prime viewing. I digress. The Borg scared the hell out of me at that age!
Loving the HP Lovecraft/HG Wells background. Needless to say, after watching this, I feel that unease with the Borg once again. You sir are a genius!
The Borg Queen watered them down.
She was necessary for the movie - they needed a villain with a "human" face.
But her presence turned Borg from a decentralized, mechanistic, ruthlessly inhuman collective of powerfully intelligent automatons into a vulnerable and dependant collection of mindless parts.
She could be proud, arrogant, greedy, territorial, envious, angry, hateful, sated, sublime - she had a psychology which could be predicted and which could be manipulated - and all her drones would malfunction or crash when their link to this one critical center was interrupted.
Borg: "We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile."
Worf: "Assimilate this!"
borg: irrelevant, YOU WILL ALL BE OBSOLETE IN THE NEW ORDER.
U.S.S. Voyager NCC-74656 Captain Kathryn Janeway: "I don't like bullies, I don't like threats and I don't like you!"
"DEPLOYED ARMOR, TARGET THE NEAREST CUBE, FIRE TRANSPHASICS TORPEDOES!"
Lieutenant Commander Tuvok:"Firing Torpedoes"
BORG CUBE EXPLODES.
"Target the Second Cube, Fire"
BORG CUBE EXPLODES.
Aftermath Captain Janeway orders her cup of Coffee "Open a Channel to the Borg" Ensign Kim: "Channel opened Ma'am" Captain Janeway: "What were you saying about resistance...?"
The Feds are lucky the Borg are more like a cybernetic fungus, and less like self replicating Von Neumann nodes. The Borg are limited by the need to breed or assimilate living beings as their primary substrate. Of course, if they were completely A.I. they likely wouldn't notice Starfleet at all. How insulting would that be? Imagine the poor Klingons!
The battle where the federation realized that there peace was over and diplomacy does not always work. The idealistic days are now over, war has come.
But at what cost? They nearly had a military coup over it.
That is not the lesson learned here.
The lesson was "diplomacy doesn't always work without a strong military backing".
For a enemy with no morals why would they even bother with diplomacy if there is nothing to risk from just taking what they want.
@@mistermonologue2442as a Roman emperor once said, if you want peace, then prepare for war.
"No songs were sung that day. For the lost were beyond the count of grief."
Reminds me of a line from BSG about when the losses are so great, you have to turn it around, and count the living instead.
I referenced LoTR you reference BSG? Yup yours is better.
So say we all!
We lost so many...
@@brianjohnson5272 I legit thought you were saying what the Klingons would say for their allies.
Me: No way could the Borg be made terrifying like they were when I was but a young viewer.
*Venom Geek Media paraphrases HG Wells in the prologue*
Me again: (cold sweat intensifies)
"And slowly... Surely... They Drew Their Plans Against Us..."
Added just the right amount of eeriness to the atmosphere. Not the first time there has been such a nod to H. G. Wells in reference to the Borg, as a ship named Thunderchild is in the movie First Contact.
whatever
You describe the battle of Wolf 359 in horrifying detail! This proves that the Borg are truly evil and that space with all its wonder can have horrors beyond comprehension! Best channel to date!
Evil? Effective.
These aren't duelists, with rapiers drawn at dawn in the dewy mists- these are ships of war, facing each other with the only goal being the destruction of the opposing side. To quote the Klingons, "noHghoblu'DI' yayquv law' HochquvpuS." (In war, there is nothing more honorable than victory.)
Yeah, I'd say, now we know, why the Enterprise couldn't take part in this slaughter... The nightmares this would have caused... they would have been legendary.
i wouldnt call the borg evil honestly they are more like a force of nature an un ending devouring swarm wich converts anything it touches and anything it cant convert to itself it destroys
Evil isn't something I would describe. Good and evil is something that someone can choose to do or don't.
The Borg, like the Combine in Half life, are highly efficient machine with no greater goal in mind but to grow and advance with no soul.
When this was first shown on BBC2 I was terrified of the Borg, they were so scary. That fear lasted well into my teens, even when watching First Contact, I viewed a lot of it from the gaps between my fingers. Your narration really brings back the horror of the Borg.
STARFLEET COMMAND, IF YOU RECEIVE THIS DO NOT SEND HELP, REPEAT DO NOT SEND HELP!
THE BORG HAVE RETURNED!!
The only time a Oberth posting was envious
There was an Oberth at the battle. Seen through the window in Sisko's quarters.
@@tyranusfan Yeah but that one was destroyed.
Constitution refit as well.
@Wayney Watney - fun fact, there wasn't a Conny at Wolf 359, it was put there for one shot as a subliminal way of saying "doesn't matter if Picard or Kirk were there, they would not have survived" same as the Galaxy class wreckage, USS Constellation maybe? I forgot which was Galaxy
@@shadowpoet4398this is interesting, you got a source on that? Would love to know more
Fascinating usage of a tone from both War of the Worlds and the works of H.P. Lovecraft. It presents the Borg in a eldritch form, one of pure and utter dread. One that is cold, calculated, and uncaring. As if one's very soul is being clenched by an invisible hand, indifferent to whether or not one can still breath. Makes the battle itself and the video all the more interesting and enjoyable to watch.
Geez, it's a wonder how many more people were mad at Picard besides sisko. Great video!
probably most of them. granted there were few left alive to bear the grudge.
It's kind of crazy that they would not force retirement on him. I'd think he would be a security risk.
@@darkhighwayman1757 In the books despite being Captain of the Flagship he's hated so much he's effectively an underdog.
22:40 ; This the first I recall hearing all the ships name side by side in a video. 39 is just a number. To see and hear each and every name, and for the time it takes to list said names. It just emphasizes the scale of the lost.
yes i really felt it was important to give it the appropriate impact. it brought my own mother to tears.
Yes you did bring this great effect. Some of the names of ships where the ships Commander river was given chance to command. How lucky was he for doing this and the federation. What a very chilling end of innocence. Much more worse than the attack of Pearl Harbor. Though the call to arms to battle this cube invader ended in victory the very heavy price paid made the sting unforgettable. The rise of war ships after this battle made starfleet still not ready but capable of fighting still at cost of ships and lives. This berial space would be horrifying.
@@rayhatton7683 I can't imagine the survivor's guilt Riker must have felt the moment Shelby mentioned the Melbourne was among those ships destroyed. His refusal to take command saved his life, but I doubt he got much comfort from that
@@fightingfalcon777 there is no doubt in my mind his survivors guilt would be an end of his choice in star fleet and his character as a whole. Like a true boss he marched forward but it's clear he will never forget those names and ships. Much like Pearl Harbor. These ships and names will be forever egeded in lore alone. How badly Star fleet was not ready for this fight. As irony brings forth many survivors. DS9 commander will never forget locuts. Battle stations!!!!!!!!
shiet... the breakdown of the event and the endong tribute for the fallen ahip makes me chill... great vid.
Offfft. Always thought of wolf 359 as a stand up fight against a technologically superior enemy... This is nightmare fuel. Compelling stuff. Well done.
It wasn't a battle. It was a massacre.
This is why talk of the weakness of the Golden Age has never sat right with me. The only people who could defeat the borg was the Federation after being crushed by the Borg. The Borg are such an outside context incident that the biggest war hawks in the alpha and beta quadrants fielding the best of what to that date existed would still be crushed. No amount of authoritarian militaristic sleeping with a phaser under the pillow can save you from the Borg.
To think all of this would lead to the development of the Akira, Defiant, Sabre, Steamrunner, Nova, Intrepid, and Sovereign classes of combat vessels between 2368 and 2373.
We know the Defiant-class was already on the drawing board prior to Wolf 359, but it and the other classes were fast-tracked into production afterward.
@@sephservant and their designs were mildly modified based on data they aquired from the aftermath of wolf 359
@Lexington73300 The registries may or may not be strictly chronological, but it does seem like something like the basic concepts were conceived earlier, maybe in a somewhat different role or form, at time.
60000 registries generally seem to equal the 2350s, but perhaps with many left blank for a while.
But the Nova, Intrepid and Sovereign definitely come later, either way.
Great vid. It makes me think of Sisco and Jake and their loss of wife/mother. I keep thinking of Sisco meeting Picard on that first episode of ds9 and how Sisco was still suffering the loss and how stupid it was for Starfleet to have Picard be the one to address Sisco.
Shows how short-sighted Starfleet is, their thinking of "his duty to the Federation will over come any grief or anger he may be suffering" Picard's lucky he didn't get his shit utterly rocked. I've seen Ben tiger uppercut a Cardassian tailor through the air for far less
It actually strikes me as coldly cunning. Sisko has to keep the peace between victims of fascism and their former fascist oppressors. If he can't keep composed against Picard then he shouldn't be posted there.
If only CBS could do Trek justice like this.
Nope. The borg cube would be pink with hearts all over it. It would kill just the white men and claim everything is racist.
@@mrbuck5059 And then blame the alt-right, and Trump.
this type of TNG would make them wet them selves there too weak to make something like this
I'm enjoying your tales keep up the good work stay safe and live long and prosper.
Nope, everyone is depressed and angry.
In a novelization of the DS9 premiere, when the Saratoga encounters The Cube, the captain ( a Vulcan ) frowns, causing serious worry inside Sisko's inner voice. It was the closest thing to a outburst in the captain that Sisko had ever seen.
Basically, Locutus's Cube just walked through the middle of Adm. Hansen's fleet, wrecking ships willy-nilly and headed straight on towards Earth; this was just about the most lopsided fleet battle in Starfleet's history up to that point as it turns out.
Was it the Borg that wreak Star Fleet or was it .. Picard ?
Borg, " Okay Picard, these are our weapons, so what can you do with them ?"
Picard, " Watch & see."
@@krispalermo8133 Promising idea; especially if what's hinted at in "First Contact" really is the case: that Picard *is* Locutus; so that would explain how he could hear them at and before and during the battle.
The big facepalm moment was Picard knew all the shield and weapon frequencies of the ships in the fleet and they didnt change them after he was captured. Arguably without that information it would have been a much more even fight
@@watcherzero5256 That's a good argument as well. Major messup for the Federation Brass at that.
See, if always interpreted that 1 starship, the Nebula class Endeavour survived, due to a review of a log from the Endeavour by Janeway in Scorpion I think it was
The fleet had the logs from several log buoys that are automatically jettisoned when he starship is destroyed.
@@oldmanjim2376 Alex Wilkin is right, because the USS Endeavour was also at the battle for sector 001, making it the only ship to fight the Borg twice and survive. And in case there's any doubt, Memory Alpha's entry about the USS Endeavour confirms this.
Well done you really brought in terror to the battle
6:28 interesting choice to show the Alt Ambassador class. That ship looked amazing
I always thought of Wolf 359 is this sort of "flash in the pan" event in Federation history. A devastating one to be sure, but something that was nonetheless quick and relatively painless for those who had been killed during the battle.
Yet it goes deeper than that. So much deeper than was portrayed in the cursory descriptions offered by the TNG episodes. What truly transpired in those horrifying 10 minutes would even give Klingons nightmares...
Pitiful Earthlings, hurling your bodies into the void without the slightest inkling of who or what may be out there. If you had any idea, ANY idea what so ever, you would have hidden from it in terror - *Ming The Merciless*
Romulan crimes against fashion are far to egregious for even a temporary alliance. Those 80's rich lady shoulder pads alone are unforgivable I say!
"Is it curiosity [..]"
Well, it certainly was Q-riosity.....
*ducks and runs*
Daaamn, your battle-display was... terrifying to say the least.
Very well done! I liked your adaptation of H. G. Wells' War of the Worlds prologue, give this presentation the right amount of eeriness in the atmosphere. Not quite sure how I like the Borg's fighting tactics in the battle, although to be fair if it was ten minutes of "this starship attacked and then was destroyed, followed by such and such ship and then such and such ship..." that would be boring so, I guess I liked it!
Again, great job! I will await your further works with great anticipation.
yeah that was my thought process while writing it. its like 'this is a entity with incalculable power, we don't know what they could be capable of.'
AWESOME STORY TELLING!, THE TIME AND ENERGY IT TOOK TO RESEARCH AND LIST EVERY SINGLE SHIP AND WHAT HAPPENED TO EVERY SINGLE SHIP IS NEXT GEN AND AMAZING!GREAT WORK!
A well done and chilling retelling of the events of battle. While doubtful the battle lasted that long, truly this video shows that the Borg cubes of old are truly the final bosses that if you are careless you will lose.
The perfect video to watch, or listen to on October 31st. I love how the video detailing the event of the episode Best of Both Worlds, used lines from War of the Worlds.
And like HG Wells style, questions the dangers of technology and the unknown future of discovery.
I don't mean to be a Melvin here, but does anyone else notice all these battles are being fought in 2D?
I mean, Spock noticed this behavior when they fought Khan in the Mutara Nebula, and so they used the 3rd Dimension to out maneuver him
There is cross platform game called Star Trek Bridge Crew. There is a Borg Resistance mission. Going underneath the Cube to a blind spot where all it's weapons won't connect is exactly how my friends and I beat it.
Wolf359 Starfleet's wakeup call.
@Royce Kimbrough -
the first wakeup call , the second was the Dominion
The 9-11 of the Federation.
At least they didnt rig one of those ships to slow assimilate into a new cube.
Now there is some nightmare fuel for you.
Thats just sad and funny. The sole survivor is a federation coffin ship.
And one of the screenshots was of one just before it smashed into a stellar core fragment!
Coffin is a ligit name for a Borg ship Type😎
@Snake Plisken Or how about Borg Sepulchre 😱 or TOMB SHIP👁️👁️👁️👁️
@Snake Plisken what about the Elachi?
@Snake Plisken SO... ORKS???
Dude! This became surprisingly dark, great work.
We always thought that the Borg just obliterated those that resisted, however this battle the Borg don't just destroy the enemy, they are Beyond sadistic about it. You have a great job in this video describing the horror that is the Borg
Any chance of a Battle space episode on the Battle of Sector 001(Star Trek:First Contact)?
You wish has been granted
Loved the opening monologue. Great writing. Had me captivated and wanting more.
I'd like to think the Wolf 359 monument was made from the destroyed Federation ships in STO.
6/5/2366 Never Forget.
Tech this happened around December 2366-2367
Yeah. Idk where this guy is getting some of his info. System J-25 was in Beta Quadrant, not Delta, and the Borg invasion began at the end of 2366 and ended at the beginning of 2367.
There was a Constitution refit there as well. Left of the screen at 22:35, you can see the secondary hull with those six square "windows".
This is how the Borg should have been. Emotionless efficiency. Not the garbage we got from Voyager. Ancient and mysterious, watching from the dark.
the Borg Queen was a bad idea
So true! A techno-Lovecraftian creepy body horror engine, seeking to own you and repurpose you while you experience all of it. Far better to be killed outright.
@Snake Plisken Douggie Hauser in Waffen SS larping attire mind melds with an abominable Brain Bug. "It's AFRAID!!!" And everyone cheers. One of the greatest moments of my childhood!
@Snake Plisken That's true. They even subspecialize drones like ants do. If they didn't recruit by violent personality sublimation they may as well be insects. The Alien-mythos xenomorphs come closest, but they use their captives as egg fodder which kills the victim. The Borg don't want to kill anyone, they want far more than that.
voyager borg were garbage? so... in YOUR opinion, theres no way janeway could have won despite having more advanced tech, a literal walking database for a doctor AND an actual borg drone assisting them? typical voyager hater rhetoric.
Absolutely awesome production. You filled in so many details about the battle that I speculated on but now understand. Makes me wonder what would have happened if Riker had called for help from Cue? Certainly there are some telepathic and almost Incomprehensible beings that could defeat the Borg I haven’t seen any technological ones that could accomplish it!
Excellent commentary. I've loved every one of your battlespace episodes. This one takes it to another level. Well done.
Great video Venom.... can’t wait to see what you do next time! P.S. I recommend everyone watch this twice; you’d be surprised how much you miss on the first viewing.
As much of a disaster Worf 359 was for Starfleet, it was this defeat that ultimately saved the Federation. Decades of peace had their fleet readiness being sorely lacking, and this massacre was the swift kick in the ass the Federation needed to get their stuff together.
They immediately began a series of newer, more powerful ships that were almost exclusively built for war. So by the time the Dominion invaded the Alpha Quadrant, StarFleet had the kind of ships they needed to combat this foe.
Wow! This video has passed 100k views!
I Highly Recommend watching with the lights OFF...
there are some amazing quotes in the comments i wish i could pin them all.
great work, would you be willing to cover the details of the ship classes involved in the battle & provide links to the ones you have covered?
@stanglider01 sure thing. i've done some breakdowns in my Cardassian Border war series. ruclips.net/p/PLjNbxX7w4eoimvVR5l2FsQtl92v3ds4pR but also looking more in detail in Shipchat ruclips.net/p/PLjNbxX7w4eoiCnDafo7a_eV4cvQoaM35X
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Love the Cube stalking the Ambassador in the background
THE DOMINION VS THE BORG VS THE SHADOWS.
Enjoyed it.Question, what happened to the Endeavor?
The quote from The War of the Worlds was a nice touch
Awesome Video thank you for posting this breakdown of wolf 359
You got Cheyenne right! Awesome breakdown! This may be a first, others have spoken of the battle but I've never seen a blow by blow account. Well done all around sir.
finally the Americans forgive my mispronunciations! i had to spell it with an A in the script just to make sure.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I'm sure we dive you nuts with how we say aluminum and drive on the right side of the road. ;)
What a great video! Thank you for sharing your passion and hard work. You can feel, hear and see your love for the subject.
Wasn't there supposed to have been a Constitution in the fleet? I've always heard that. Supposed to have been on screen, though admittedly, I've never been able to make one out in the debris field.
This and JTVFX are both superb interpretations of this battle.
I'm not going to be able to sleep at night! This story needed to be told! Brillant and you have a new subscriber.
Speaking of hubris... The Borg must have picked it up from Starfleet, specifically - from Picard himself.
As Admiral Clancy put it: *"sheer fu-ing hubris!"* Lol.
This was a great video as all of the videos on the Venom Geek channel. For those who view Wolf 359 as Captain Picard's fault, they are sadly mistaken. It is clear that the Borg would have won even without benefiting from Picard's captured knowledge. Their technology was just on a different level.
We are the Venomous Geeks of Media. Raise your volume and cease all other tasks it's time!
saint nick Lol nice
i might have to put that on a shirt...
Whoa, way more impressive than I expected. Nice.
Where does the starship USS Ushuaia come from? @ 23:15. Doesn't come up on Google or memory alpha as a combatant at Wolf 359? Just curious
Wow awesome video! I never thought the Borg would use so many clever tactics. I always just saw them as a big battering ram and they’d just pick off attacking ships like a dog scratching at a flea.
You’re right about Starfleet’s crappy attack plan, sending waves of ships in. That’s why I’m glad they adopted the swarm formation at the Battle of Sector 001. They still took heavy losses, but were at least making headway in damaging the Cube and were still fighting hours later, not just a laughable 10 minutes.
Wasn’t the Oberth-class USS Bonestell at Wolf 359? Its usually said to be the ship we see explode outside of the room where Jennifer Sisko died in “Emissary”.
One of the greatest stories ever told.
I almost consider this the death bell to the Federations 120 years of pure exploration with phasers and torpedos purely designed for peace keeping. Voyager even had significant fire power boost for a ship of its type and class.
24:21 at the end of the lost ships, you forgot the 1 Constitution Class we know was there. We see her Engineering section in the debris as the Enterprise -D flies by.
Idky I am finding these things so many years after looking for awesome Star Trek stuff (technical jargon😉). So glad to come across this! You would think this would be an amazing (sad) crossover movie. Weird they are just like, "Uh, stuff happened. Sisko mad. Things sad😐" Thanks for sharing this👍👍👍
Wow that casualty list at the end of video made my skin crawl that has so many people that died
The best thing about this is that narration and word usage like damn man lOL...but also you gave dates date can be matched to what else was going on in the trek universe while all this was unfolding. For some odd reason i thought the battle of wolf 359 took place around December.
I believe this is the reason we never saw these newer starship designs ever again. They ALL got blown up at Wolf 359. That's why it was such a blow.
Yeah. They were shelved to make way for more combat-ready classes like the Akira, Defiant, and Saber.
@@sephservant Not really shelved. My theory is that they were ALL there. All of the ships of those new classes....blown up at Wolf 359. That's why we NEVER see them again. imagine Starfleet Engineering freaking out that their new ships were wrecked, and the virtual hard on they got when they were told to design ships that could withstand that. LOL
My new favorite channel.
Good idea for the battle, shame we never saw one.
Bro great documentary about the battle 👍👍👍👍
Damn this was good. I remember being really underwhelmed when I'd watched The Best Of Both Worlds because I watched DS9 and its scenes from Wolf 359 first. There is one scene that sticks with me however for futile nobility of it. The Mars Defense Fleet, so tiny compared to the cube, flying in and getting swatted because damn it if they could buy Earth even one second, one millisecond, it would be something and they were not going to sit back without trying even when it was hopeless.
Bravo, Bravo! Knocked it out of the park again, my friend
An TNG episode with this video would give a clear idea of how bad this was.
The people who made the show I think would have wanted this done.
There is so much you don't get in the television programs. Where does all this detail come from?
Bloody hell that was dark awesome video
I took the 359 part of my username from The Battle of Wolf-359, that STTNG story was one of my favourites. I never realised that it was so brutal.
so i saw a couple of pics with constitution ships/sections in it. whats up with that?? great job btw!
Yeah, there was a Constitution present, Starfleet with its commitment to exploration and it's home sectors peaceful had committed the vast bulk of it's fleet to the frontier leaving the home systems effectively unguarded baring whatever static defences were present and a scattering of ships on routine patrols, refiting and resupplying at Starbases, finishing fitting out in ship yards and in fleet reserve, this motley collection of ships was Starfleets mighty defence fleet.
Wow 😳 just wow 😳
Some excellent story telling in a way that filled in the blanks TNG wasn’t able to do in best of both worlds
The description of the battle strategies and attack patterns of starfleet you described made the borg an unstoppable and overwhelming force that starfleet underestimated at that time
I’d like to see a story of the battle at sector 001 to see how starfleet learned from that fateful battle ok yes we all know how it went down but your storytelling and battle descriptions give it that much more
Excellent video keep up the fantastic work 👏👏👏👏
"Why, why me? I'm just some dipshit from Chicago. Now, I'm... lucky number ten."--Liam Shaw.
Nice tie-in with the prologue of War of the Worlds
"The destroyed ships made a barrier of debris, cutting off escape"
If only space had a third dimension to maneuver in to help avoid such an obstacle! Truly the Borg are unstoppable masters of tactics and strategy!
Love the video, especially the dedication plates of the ships lost, and your moving narration.
I think this is my favorite video by you :)
The steps walk closer... It speaks with a cold, flat monotonous voice, "*WE ARE THE BORG, LOWE YOUR SHIELDS AND SURRENDER YOUR SHIPS, WE WILL ADD YOUR BIOLOGICAL AND TECHNOLOGICAL DISTINCTIVENESS TO OUR OWN, YOUR CULTURE WILL ADAPT TO SURVICE US, RESISTANCE IS FUTILE*".
Getting this kind of detail really shows the true horror of it all, Jesus.
Nice use of a variant of the War of the Worlds opening.
Wow great video man I love this series the Borgs tactics are brutal I hope this isnt the end of this series would love to see more keep up the good work:)
Chilling. You're so good at this. Very well done.
Nice touch using HG Wells opening to War of the Worlds...
Nice war of the worlds speech lift. Good video...
What about the Constitution class in the wreckage after the battle?
The Borg shotgunning the remaining dozen surviving ships-didn’t know cruelty could be in them.
great cover of the battle but where was the mention of the klingon & romulan ships?
by the time they got underway it was already over.
He narrated this not only like a horror book... it IS a "book", not a horror book but a complete adaption of the intro of "The War of the Worlds" (Music adaption by Jeff Wayne, Original book by H.G. Wells). The beginning of Jeff Wayne's music version is nearly identical. In the English Version Richard Burton is the narrator and main protagonist, in the German Version it is Curd Jürgens. A very great audio drama with also great music.
First published in 1898 as a science fiction book, CBS broadcasted it on October, 30th 1938; the evening before Halloween. The radio broadcast was so realistic, that great parts of the population in the region freaked out because they believed that there was an invasion from Mars. Most came late from work and missed the beginning where CBS said that they will hear a radio story. The impact and psychological influence was so extreme, that many listeners became traumatized so CBS and H.G. Wells have to apologize in an official radio broadcast.
H.G Wells was long dead at the time of the broadcast. your thinking of the performer, Orsen Wells. (no relation)
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Correct ;-)
Back when the borg were scary as all heck ...now they are more of a doctor who monster
The "War of the Worlds" opening was perfect.
Who???
This is the most terrifying video I’ve ever seen