You and your dope have been bugging the whole world. It's pure politics and nothing more. As skiers can biathlon (Scandinavians, Germans, French), all asthma, can participate in competitions and always win prizes.
@@МалютаСкуратов-х8т all Russians say its the west being this and that but clearly the Tutberitze girls from Russia dont have proper technique and most of them end up messed up having a short carrer
@@МалютаСкуратов-х8т Kim,Hanyu,Bell,Tuktamesheva,Kostner,Chen,Sakamoto,Gold,Asada,Fernandez many of those so it shows that its possible just Eteri sucks Mishin is better
Regardless... Yuna always looked like a mature woman at the top of her game. Her jumps looked effortless yet not flighty and insubstantial like Evgenia's. Big difference. Miss her and look forward to seeing her at the games...
Perfect description! Yuna's jumps are effortless yet full and substantial. It really sucks that she retired so early... but I do understand she's been through a lot and her body can only take so much. She sacrificed so much especially coming from a country with no history in figure skating. The fact that she triumphed even though Korea did not have top notch facilities in her early years really goes to show that she was born to figure skating. A true goddess. Forever known for her grace and strength both mentally and physically. Really bummed that Russia had to go ahead and rob Yuna blind at her last ever competition. Absolutely no shame or dignity.
Yeah I don't like how Medvedeva throws her arms into the jump. Like she needs the momentum to get off the ground. And then the landing always looks painful. Yuna's like a quick flick of the skate and she's in the air, and then she just brings her arms in for the angular momentum.
I'm not upset at Evgenia for failing to produce a proper Lutz. She can always work to towards improving it. It does upset me that she's taking full advantage of the judges ignoring her flaw, and actually making the edge violation worse. Its also upsetting that the judges clearly overwrite the flaw because of her tano. The tano should only buffer her violation, not completely undo it. Evgenia is a great skater and I'd hate to see her disgraced because she decided to ignore clear problems in her skating that should eventually catch up to her.
Exactly. The point is that many skaters neglect skills that might have make their program better. For instance, Kwan didn't add spirals that require a higher level of flexibility and it cost her the Olympic gold. It's a well known fact that spirals were her strongest suit, but if she had bothered to add a Bielmann variant on her famous COE spiral she would has had higher chances of winning.
A Roper exactly, she's perfectly content with the scores they give her, while if she had integrity, she wouldn't be. She would instead improve her skills and actually prove she can win on her talent alone without judges favoring her. The fact that she seems to love this little arrangement where she can keep doing the same things every time yet get the best scores , means she is a cheat and complicit and she doesn't feel bad about it at all.
I’m particularly not fond of her combo spins because they looked forced . And with her head thrusted to the rear, lit looks to me she was straining herself. Other Russian figure skating ladies have done better.
YaChu Chuang If you watch another video on here with the ISU simulation, Yuna Kim should be the example for textbook perfect jumps...and Medvedeva should be example of incorrect jumps. It's truly unbelievable the scores Medvedeva gets, and her ranking. There is clear cheating going on, and I honestly would not be proud of myself like she is if I knew the only reason for my high scores and ranking were false points by corrupt judges...it's absolutely shameful, and any skater with an ounce of integrity would just quit in shame, yet she seems totally okay and happy with being a cheat. I feel sorry for the young women who are more skilled and talented than her yet have to live in her fradulent shadow and watch as she gets all the praise.
Is this why they favor her so much? Cus I've never heard about Evgenia until the hype on Yuri on Ice happened. And then she suddenly started breaking world records out of nowhere
Although it has jumped with the wrong edge, the system also considers the difficulty of entry and landing, and the video shows the work of steps before entry, rotation of 3 turns, and the appropriate height, not to mention that landed stable And that adds up points. The Flutz is not evidence for nothing.
If this type of judging presses on, people will gradually lose faith in this sport. I am a huge fan of figure skating, but +GOE for a flutz is not acceptable. It's good that Evgenia tanos her jumps for added difficulty but it does not erase the fact the jump is wrong at its foundations.
Yes, Yuna is a past as a skater, but if anything, she was indisputable, and this girl is questionable. Enough said. On a side note, I don't think anyone is being personal toward this skater. It's just that we want to be swept away by her performance seeing her unusually high scores, but some of us, actually a lot of us, are not! And that's what makes watching her so frustrating. I am sure it's her couch's doing or anyone involved, not exactly her, but her skating in some way compromises the integrity of the sport and aesthetics of only the best quality skating can create. If we had to choose one person who could bring that level of skating in the past decade, it is Yuna, and that's why all these present day skaters are still being compared to her. It's nothing personal. Everyone wants to see beauty and feel excitement, but for legitimate reasons, a lot of us are not so thrilled by this girl's skating. Shame.
Totally agree. Just like it's not Sotnikova's fault for 'winning' the Olympics. It's the system. And with E. M. it's also due to her coach's training system and schemes that simply help drain beauty and integrity from this sport: making skaters jump at the second half of their programs but doing so the jumps need to be small and flimsy with slow take-offs so they aren't too tiring. Watching E.M is like, what another world record? But why was I so underwhelmed? If there's someone who is truly better than Yuna, we being Yuna's fans would support or even idolise the new star too.
I agree with you!, I never see a good lutz by Evgenia, she always changes the edge and never has deduction for that!, plus she is always overscored in the PCS with a junior program, is very sad how other skaters do a correct triple lutz but have low points compared to Evgenia like Elizabet Tursynbaeva and Yulia Lipnitskaya, they have very mature programs but they need to do other jumps more difficult just to have a chance of equalize the score of overscored Evgenia!
Astromanía yeah it's really sad! Just recently Yulia Lipnitskaya had to quit skating at age 19 because of anorexia. Her coaches and people were saying she was too fat when she's actually beautiful. She was also a beautiful skater. So much talent gone
I'm from Russia and WTF?? Judges, are you drunk??? Judging system must to be fair, this is awful Why they are doing this dirty score at flutz??? Medvedeva is a very good skater and much more intresting to see real score
actually i dont even care about unfair judge system and Russia anymore.. I just hope Russian figure fans could give another chance to elizabetta? I think she truly is worth of gold. one of very few in nowadays who does every jump right with good speed. That girl is the real deal once she does it right.
It is definite that she does flutz every single time but omg look at her right foot! Right before taking jump, her foot is just bent inside. Compared to yuna, her toe isn't straightly positioned. Looks like she jumps with her edge. What a skater! I should rather call her an acrobat.
Hmmm.. Looking at my analytics. Every single dislike has been from Russia. Every like has come from Korea, Germany, Ukraine, Singapore, Belgium, France. Not a single dislike came from those countries. Russian Figure Skating Federation don't like being exposed...
"Bruh" thanks for wasting 5 minutes of your life watching a video you hate. I am glad I waste 5 minutes of your precious life. Bye. PS: My bad my analytics from a month ago forgot to include your dislike made 8 minutes ago.
What's more astonishing, is that she didn't have that deep inside edge and "toe axel pick" at first. Her lutz edge was just flat. It got worse season after season, because none was correcting her and instead they showered her with WR.
I saw a post on goldenskate questioning whether her flutz was getting worse and I feel like it is, she has made no effort to change/correct the jump and why would she?? Especially when she keeps getting +goe from the judges, instead of edge calls like she should.
Yup I've read some of the threads and its quite evident she stopped trying to use an outside edge (but even when she tried she only achieved a flat edge). Its quite sad what the judges are doing to the sport. Expecially when you look at skaters like Zi Jun Li who also has the same flutz issue as Evgenia. However, unlike Evgenia, Zi Jun gets dinged like crazy by the judges. -2 -3 GOE across the board. The goldenskate forums can also be quite delusional. You've got a surprising amount of Evgenia sheeps on there defending her uncalled flutz. You would think that a forum catering toward experienced figure skaters would not have such people.
Yes the forum is quite entertaining. I love all the posts about Evgenia being the best skater in the world. Then someone with a brain corrects them and the sheep herd comes to attack the poor fellow.
New Era standard 3luz = Deep inside edge Yuna Era standard 3Luz= Deep outside edge ??????????????? ISU & now judging system & all judge table was so "Ugly"
+Михаил Nsk Haha so funny , Yuna perfect 3Flip than Medvedeva (Kim's speed better , 3 turn better, take off position better , high and long distance better ) What are you say yuna wrong edge ? Make me laugh hahaha
+Михаил Nsk I feel are you complicated!!!! Yuna Perfect both jumps (Lutz&Flip) She lutz was deep "outside edge" She Flip was deep "inside edge" Are you understand ?
i saw her fliptz. Tilt of the foot outward. this is wrong edge. You just close your eyes when you see that, so good luck to your channel with 78 subscribers the same losers as you
Koola King I don't know...if the deep outside edge is norm for Lutz then Yuna performs it clearly. However I think firstly Evgenia is small and much slender than Yuna, which may play here a vivid role. Secondly, in slow motion, Evgenia's entrance into Lutz with flat edge appears more elegant and less distorting, and in full speed by far more fluent and powerful. Maybe Evgenia wants this fluency and elegance in jumps more than clear technical Lutz. She mentioned she wants to show how beautiful skating looks like, she never declared that she has the best technique on Lutz, neither is this her fault. Don't be stubborn on this topics on Yuna Queen. Yuna is no queen, she is an ordinary human, much like Evgenia. They both have their own style and rightly so! Evgenia is original, she doesn't stick to book, can't you get over it? Ridiculous. Believe me, her time also will come , she will retire one day too...nothing is forever...
Daniel That depends... I am not Evgenia's diehard fan. It just so happens that she has the most beautiful programs and music year to year. Evgenia's skating as it is presented to the audience is a complete different level. I think that's the reason ISU turns blind to some strange rules. Evgenia uses tano, or even both hands so if you feel short or cheated on your concept of what must a Lutz look like, it is your own issue. She is very slender, so better stop arguing. What may be doable to a strong body type like Yuna, may be unachievable to Evgenia. It would be discrimination to call it otherwise. I think you have never seen Evgenia live, have you? Otherwise you would see my point: she takes somewhere away, but she cares to add tano, steps, artistic content - ISU must judge the broad picture. Even with all the calls she would win, don't you see she is by 10 points better than all the rest in the world?
1) "Evgenia uses tano, or even both hands so if you feel short or cheated on your concept of what must a Lutz look like, it is your own issue." -The definition of Lutz has been clearly spelt out by ISU, outside edge jump, that is ISU OFFICIAL concept, not what we intended it to be. Hence it is ISU's judging issues, not ours just because we are calling out her errors. 2) "She is very slender, so better stop arguing. What may be doable to a strong body type like Yuna, may be unachievable to Evgenia. It would be discrimination to call it otherwise." -Many figure skaters are slender, not just her. Alina Zagitova is also a slender figure skater, coached by the same person that coaches Evgenia as well. Alina's Lutz is outside edge unlike Evgenia, hence this is not called discrimination, this is called incompetence, please get your words right. 3) ISU must judge the broad picture. Uh no. Every score sheet by every skater has each and every element that is assessed one by one. There is no such thing as a broad picture in figure skating. You can see this link below: www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/wc2017/wc2017_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf 4) Even with all the calls she would win, don't you see she is by 10 points better than all the rest in the world? She would definitely still win, but not by such outrageous margins where other skaters simply can't catch up to her when her fundamentals are not well established yet. 5) Otherwise you would see my point: she takes somewhere away, but she cares to add tano, steps, artistic content Artistry and beauty etc is very subjective. You can think of her skating as beautiful that is perfectly fine. But adding more content is not going to help erroneous foundations. It is like eating a beautiful looking but inner-rotten apple.
Thank you so much for having the virtue of exposing this fact into the world. Those responsible and involved in the cheating of scores can fool others but never their own selves.
Everyone talks about Evgenia's uncalled flutz and thus overscoring for this particular jump. But more importantly, she jumps three flips in the same program, which should lead to the last one of those three getting no points at all. If you take this into account, I doubt she would ever have ended up on the podium if the judges had done their job and did the necessary deductions. So the overscoring is much more serious than most people think. It's not just a couple of points, it's at least a dozen.
I love Evgenia, I really do, but I notice these, and I don't know if she knows she is doing it, but doesn't care, or isn't aware she is doing it because SHE NEVER GETS TOLD SHE IS! If she got an edge call (which is well deserved), maybe she would fix it and her skating would be even better?
you might not know..correcting jumping is almost impossible..its like bad habit and our body naturally react it..it happened when ISU changed their rule all japnese skater struggled and never recovered for example miki ando
Nope she knows so many skating fans had been accusing her for her flutz, prerotations, and incorrect take-offs etc. And she actually replied to them saying that it's easy to think but hard to do and she's working on it yup she said this SINCE 2016 or maybe before that
Emi Wyan Nope she knows so many skating fans had been accusing her for her flutz, prerotations, and incorrect take-offs etc. And she actually replied to them saying that it's easy to think but hard to do and she's working on it yup she said this SINCE 2016 or maybe before that
I agree! I like Evgeniya but she does have a bad lutz. And I think she admitted it somewhere, that's why she only performs one lutz. But I'm not annoyed with her, it's hard to re-learn the jump, however I am annoyed that ISU don't call the edge and that commentators say that she has a perfect technique. Actually same goes to Osmond who I also really like. Actually I think a lot of top skaters don't get edge calls on lutz and flip...
The vaulting leg is what worries me more. Yuna had a very natural vaulting leg position, where Evgenia looks like she is going to dislocate her knee. The skate is almost perpendicular to the one riding the edge for the (f)lutz.
its all about popularity in the figure skating sports! its sad I know. If they are NOT popular, their presentation score will be lower or maybe less GOE for their jumps and spins.
Wow I’m glad I found your channel. So many uncalled flutz, that’s embarrassing. Not hating on Evgenia but I don’t like when ISU is not upholding the integrity of this beautiful sport.
I really wish Evgenia would fix her edge violation on her lutz, but I do not think it is her fault how the judges seem to turn a blind eye to it. I feel that if she fixed this, she could be an even better skater, but I do not see the point in all this hate on her, and comparing her to others. We should be encouraging to correct her mistake, not being mad for her for it.
Yeah I was in disbelief at that one. +2 GOE for a deep inside edge lutz. Yikes.... there is absolutely no way they didn't notice that edge violation. That is evident proof that judges are turning a blind eye to "certain skaters"
UPDATE: She got an 'e' on her lutz for the first time since her senior debut!!! www.kraso.sk/wp-content/uploads/sutaze/2017_2018/20170921_ont/CSSVK2017_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf This was a competition held just a while ago
Okay but aside from that girls who put their tights over their skates should be penalized as well. It’s an offense to fashion. Let’s start a revolution.
Not only for the left foot, but also comparing for the right-toe-foot. Medvedeva totally doesn't have a toe jump but a BLADE jump by her right foot. Her two legs are twisted. No beauty of using body force or techniques. They are many players trouble with Flutz/Lip, but she owns the most ugly toe jumps ever appeared. Yuna is the Queen of Lutz not only because of her deep edge, but also the straight body position, jumping height and length on ice. Her the right-foot toe pick straightly and correctly lands behind left foot. It is the key of lutz, force against the inertia of skating, the art of controlling blade by body~~~
Wow ! I just learned about inside and outside edges from this after watching a skating for years. I heard them say it always, but never really understood, but in this video and slow motion I now understand...I was so excited watching as I now know what it means..Lol....Thankyou. 💙
Amazing video, it explains every detail perfectly!!! So eye opening!!! Thanks for helping all of us understand who really does it correctly, and who doesn't... obviously...! ;)
Man, the twist Med has on that right ankle. Ouch! Yuna has a much deeper knee bend entering the jump, Med makes up for the lack of power in the legs and no outside (take off) edge by twisting her right ankle and pushing off with the right blade. Her ankle is getting taped now....She fell at NHK, the toes jumps need major revamping :-(
I'm only asking this as a viewer of RUclips skating videos with zero expertise in the technical aspects of scoring the elements, but does Medeveda's "arms in the air" technique during these jumps earn her extra credit during the scoring that would elevate her grade of execution?
They should quit figure skating if they get triggered like that. Figure Skating is a SPORT therefore judging needs to be fair. How would they feel if their flutz got called while another skater gets +2 for a flutz.
Hmm...this is nice video. I understand that there is a great difference between Yuna's lutz jump and Medvedeva's that. Yuna's 3Lz is deep outside edge and really splendid!! but Medvedeva's jump is not bad. the problem is that judge have a high opinion of fluz jump.
Hey Louise! Sorry! I was going to add you in the credits but my computer ran out of disc space and couldn't save! Was going to hit you up to let you know but I went to bed straight after uploading. I just woke up. I will link you in the description!
When Asada-Sang did : Call -1.40 When Zhenya did : Don't call + Goe ARE YOU BLIND ISU JUDGES? 😐😐😐 after Adelina win gold and Queen retired, I watch only Men figure skater or Japanese skater . So dissapointed.
Your feet are enclosed in boots so it stops anything from moving too much. Kind of how a hiker or skier wears enclosed boots. The ankle is quite a flexible joint. You just need to make sure you condition and stretch those peroneal muscles on the outside of the lower leg- and there is so much more off ice training these days for those kids of things.
I love both evgenia and Yuna but Evgenia really needs to fix this particular issue because imo its her only technical flaw and its not fair that she keeps getting crazy high scores and keeps winning with a huge flaw in her technique.
Unfortunately, this is not her only technical flaw. All of her jumps have serious issues, including her so-called "perfect" loops and salchows. Look up Koola's videos on Medvedeva's "flawless" technique.
Love your content! I'm totally new in this figure skating world, and you've taught me all I know (I'm no expert, but I'm beyond grateful) Still, I'd like to see the other side... what are Evgenia's strenghts, and what were Yuna's mistakes? I don't want to put any of them on a pedestal they don't deserve
Thank you video creator for teaching a proper Lutz clearly. Wow Yuna is textbook. The other needed reproval of the take off. Yuna is Lutz Queen yet the Evginia was obviously the Queen of Flutzes.
Actually lutz and flip have the same take off requirements and they both cannot take off from the inside edge. Therefore when a lutz is cheated it does not become a flip. Rather it becomes like a bad salchow. Same thing with a flip. If it’s cheated it becomes a bad salchow. The lutz and flip differ in their entrance to the jump
Yes, but what will the difference in points be? Would it have been enough to dethrone her? I don’t think so. Saying that, yes, it’s annoying that the ISU couldn’t spot the Flutz.
Sure, maybe it is a flutz but let's keep in mind how most of her jumps she has one or both hands above her head, so even with the -3 or -2 GOE she probably gets the +for the hands above head. You can not just look at one aspect, but the whole jump.
I think that it is not qualified as a referee to give a margin for wrong edge use. The referee, Russia and Japan are on the other hand. So Yunakim is a great player. Even though he fought alone, he stood at the podium at all competitions.
Когда вы уже корейцы успокоетесь? Господи придрались к одному lutz. Ну сколько там вычитают за неправильный край. Это всё с лихвой компенсируется за сложность других прыжков, комбинаций, исполнение tano ripon, сложные заходы и выходы из прыжков, исполнение прыжков и комбинаций во 2-й половине программ, разве это мало? Вы никак не можете успокоится, что побит рекорд Юны Ким. Время Юны Ким давно прошло.
you make me laugh..her transition is still childish and not complicated at all..if you are a skater you would know..correct edge jumps effect the process of choreograph. i know for you it is hard to chew but truth hurts..grow up..you prove how russian is studip and no wonder why you need dope to win the sports..cheater!! glad we dont need to see you guys next olympic should be baned forever!!!
it's so frustrating that the judges don't do what they're supposed to do. it's just bad for everyone. and it's outrageous that the skaters that have spent time perfecting their jumps are essentially being punished for it and the skaters that have flawed jumps are rewarded for it. as someone who really likes allot of skaters that have "bad jumps" it's frustrating for me as well since it just gives people ammo for hating on them. the solution though is not hating on the skater, they don't decide how many points they are going to get, and honestly i very much doubt that it was any skaters "evil master plan" for it to have turned out this way. it's the judges responsibility to judge properly and to reward skaters that do the jumps properly. ISU need to fix this, for everyone's sake.
I do agree but you have to remember Evgenia is a world class figure skater. She knows the rules inside out. She knows what a lutz is and yet in competition she consciously does a flip instead of a lutz. That is dishonest and very bad sportsmanship. If you can't perform the lutz you should correct it at that point. For a time her lutz was a flat edge and she should have corrected it right there and then. If she had done that, the blame would not be on her. Instead of correcting the technique she decided to go full out flip instead because the judges are turning a blind eye to her lutz. When you decide consciously to not fix your jump but instead perform it knowing full well it is a flip... the blame is now on her AND the judges.
yeah i get the frustration with her and the other skaters that do this and for the people that watch the sport and want to see good skaters being rewarded and are instead being punished for it. however the skaters now are so young, many of them still kids (where i'm from that's under 18) and i think it's to harsh of people to blame them personally for the marks they get when they are that young and often in a very vulnerable position in general. if they had started their training as adults i would have agreed, but i think they are to young to be held responsible for the decline of quality in the sport when the judges; adult, trained professionals, are to stupid to do their jobs. if anything it's the coaches that should be ashamed in my opinion. they are the adults and they neglect their pupils technique since they can get away with it. they also set a very bad example for other coaches and it's just going to go downhill from here. i do think the skaters have more of a personal responsibility to do better and adresse their flaws as they grow into adults, but first and foremost the fault lie with ISU.
Can you make video not only with Medvedeva? I'm not sure that you are not a hater as you say. There are many fine skaters, but you compare her only with Yuna Kim. Do you have another videos? No. Although there is one video with Sotnikova. Why are you doing this for? To show a bad judging system? No skaters, except Medvedeva and Kim? It's funny. I wish you luck and achieve your great goal. Sorry for my English. Bye.
The video maker explained it to a few other commenters (so im just repeating that) and he/she says that it's to show unfair judging as Medvedeva' s violations are being ignored by the judges while other (current) skaters are still being penalised for doing these same mistakes. Kim Yuna is only being used to show how the proper lutz should be done since she has a textbook lutz. Btw only replied cause the video maker doesn't really seem to be a hater (in my opinion of course).
pink black in Russia, they only care about winning. It doesn't matter HOW they win. And her team knows that she makes mistakes, but since the ISU doesn't penalize her, why bother changing?
pink black her coach came to the Philippines to teach skaters and I wanted to ask why evgenia can't fix her flutz but that I think he would get offended
Olivia Lau and what do you care? if you don't care about winning then it is called "a show" not a competition. Relax, you should address that questions to the judges, not to her.
영상을 보니 롱에지도 롱에지지만, 오른쪽 다리로 얼음을 찍을때 두 선수간에 정말 큰 수준 차이가 나네요. 메드베데바는 이미 발목이 왼쪽으로 90도 이상 돌아서 얼음을 찍는데, 블레이드 도약까지는 아니라도 거의 그렇게 보일 정도로 poor take off를 합니다. 저런 편법을 이용하는데도(사실, 거의 모든 여싱들이 이런식으로 점프를 뛰죠) GOE를 거의 2점씩이나 받아 챙기다니 정말 어이가 없습니다.
I’m not gonna lie I though she was a really good jumper because her videos were one of the first female I watched after Kim yuna. Although I knew there was some elegance missing but thanks to all these videos I realise why people have strong opinions about this.
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After sochi scandal, this sport has changed
You and your dope have been bugging the whole world. It's pure politics and nothing more. As skiers can biathlon (Scandinavians, Germans, French), all asthma, can participate in competitions and always win prizes.
it had been declining even before that :( after vancouver, she had gotten underscored severely
@@МалютаСкуратов-х8т all Russians say its the west being this and that but clearly the Tutberitze girls from Russia dont have proper technique and most of them end up messed up having a short carrer
@@l22244 and which of the skaters has a long career?
@@МалютаСкуратов-х8т Kim,Hanyu,Bell,Tuktamesheva,Kostner,Chen,Sakamoto,Gold,Asada,Fernandez many of those so it shows that its possible just Eteri sucks Mishin is better
I miss Yuna...
me too😢
Don't we all ; w ;
Regardless... Yuna always looked like a mature woman at the top of her game. Her jumps looked effortless yet not flighty and insubstantial like Evgenia's. Big difference. Miss her and look forward to seeing her at the games...
Perfect description! Yuna's jumps are effortless yet full and substantial. It really sucks that she retired so early... but I do understand she's been through a lot and her body can only take so much. She sacrificed so much especially coming from a country with no history in figure skating. The fact that she triumphed even though Korea did not have top notch facilities in her early years really goes to show that she was born to figure skating. A true goddess. Forever known for her grace and strength both mentally and physically. Really bummed that Russia had to go ahead and rob Yuna blind at her last ever competition. Absolutely no shame or dignity.
Yeah I don't like how Medvedeva throws her arms into the jump. Like she needs the momentum to get off the ground. And then the landing always looks painful. Yuna's like a quick flick of the skate and she's in the air, and then she just brings her arms in for the angular momentum.
I'm not upset at Evgenia for failing to produce a proper Lutz. She can always work to towards improving it. It does upset me that she's taking full advantage of the judges ignoring her flaw, and actually making the edge violation worse. Its also upsetting that the judges clearly overwrite the flaw because of her tano. The tano should only buffer her violation, not completely undo it. Evgenia is a great skater and I'd hate to see her disgraced because she decided to ignore clear problems in her skating that should eventually catch up to her.
Exactly. The point is that many skaters neglect skills that might have make their program better. For instance, Kwan didn't add spirals that require a higher level of flexibility and it cost her the Olympic gold. It's a well known fact that spirals were her strongest suit, but if she had bothered to add a Bielmann variant on her famous COE spiral she would has had higher chances of winning.
Andres Pulido Same Evgenia is a talented skater and she would show much more promise IF ONLY THE JUDGES WEREN'T SO STUPID AND JUDGE FAIRLY
A Roper exactly, she's perfectly content with the scores they give her, while if she had integrity, she wouldn't be. She would instead improve her skills and actually prove she can win on her talent alone without judges favoring her. The fact that she seems to love this little arrangement where she can keep doing the same things every time yet get the best scores , means she is a cheat and complicit and she doesn't feel bad about it at all.
I’m particularly not fond of her combo spins because they looked forced . And with her head thrusted to the rear, lit looks to me she was straining herself. Other Russian figure skating ladies have done better.
I love YUNA's "powerful", perfect jump
YaChu Chuang If you watch another video on here with the ISU simulation, Yuna Kim should be the example for textbook perfect jumps...and Medvedeva should be example of incorrect jumps. It's truly unbelievable the scores Medvedeva gets, and her ranking. There is clear cheating going on, and I honestly would not be proud of myself like she is if I knew the only reason for my high scores and ranking were false points by corrupt judges...it's absolutely shameful, and any skater with an ounce of integrity would just quit in shame, yet she seems totally okay and happy with being a cheat. I feel sorry for the young women who are more skilled and talented than her yet have to live in her fradulent shadow and watch as she gets all the praise.
Yuna leg poses so that she can break.
I still don't get why people defend her and say that you're either jealous or hating when the evidence is so freaking clear.
Kayla Gaines
They REACT because they don't know what's the TRUTH ABOUT FIGURE SKATING
༺ཱྀ༼Mitsuki༽ཱི༻ 은 미나 most people I argue about evgenia's flutz are Yuri on ice fans. Its so goddamn annoying
You're right. All hype for Medvedewa is because of Yuri on ice. Thank you Koola King for get me out from this.
Is this why they favor her so much? Cus I've never heard about Evgenia until the hype on Yuri on Ice happened. And then she suddenly started breaking world records out of nowhere
Although it has jumped with the wrong edge, the system also considers the difficulty of entry and landing, and the video shows the work of steps before entry, rotation of 3 turns, and the appropriate height, not to mention that landed stable And that adds up points. The Flutz is not evidence for nothing.
If this type of judging presses on, people will gradually lose faith in this sport.
I am a huge fan of figure skating, but +GOE for a flutz is not acceptable. It's good that Evgenia tanos her jumps for added difficulty but it does not erase the fact the jump is wrong at its foundations.
Whether you like or not, Yuna Kim is all the time the perfect technical figure skater for women.
And this, my friends, is ONE of the reasons why EVERYBODY loves Yuna Kim. She truly is a master, a legend!!
It's been 8 years and i still cannot get over how Sochi Olympics judges robbed Yuna of that Gold. DAMN IT
Yes, Yuna is a past as a skater, but if anything, she was indisputable, and this girl is questionable. Enough said.
On a side note, I don't think anyone is being personal toward this skater. It's just that we want to be swept away by her performance seeing her unusually high scores, but some of us, actually a lot of us, are not! And that's what makes watching her so frustrating. I am sure it's her couch's doing or anyone involved, not exactly her, but her skating in some way compromises the integrity of the sport and aesthetics of only the best quality skating can create. If we had to choose one person who could bring that level of skating in the past decade, it is Yuna, and that's why all these present day skaters are still being compared to her.
It's nothing personal. Everyone wants to see beauty and feel excitement, but for legitimate reasons, a lot of us are not so thrilled by this girl's skating. Shame.
Totally agree. Just like it's not Sotnikova's fault for 'winning' the Olympics. It's the system. And with E. M. it's also due to her coach's training system and schemes that simply help drain beauty and integrity from this sport: making skaters jump at the second half of their programs but doing so the jumps need to be small and flimsy with slow take-offs so they aren't too tiring. Watching E.M is like, what another world record? But why was I so underwhelmed? If there's someone who is truly better than Yuna, we being Yuna's fans would support or even idolise the new star too.
룰을 만들어 놓고 정작 룰대로 뛰는 선수는 연아 한명 뿐인데 정석인 연아는 불이익 받고 개판인 점프들만 인정 받는 더러운 피겨판.... 그런 발목을 보면 마음이 너무 아파 ㅜㅜ
김광석 제말이요 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 오히려 김연아가 잘하는 기술들은 점수를 더 낮추질않나;; 진심 그러고도 심사위원인지 ㅋ 김연아선수가 러시아 국적이었으면 넘사벽 세계 1위로 아직도 있을걸요 ㅋㅋ 이미 넘사벽이지만 ㅎ
I agree with you!, I never see a good lutz by Evgenia, she always changes the edge and never has deduction for that!, plus she is always overscored in the PCS with a junior program, is very sad how other skaters do a correct triple lutz but have low points compared to Evgenia like Elizabet Tursynbaeva and Yulia Lipnitskaya, they have very mature programs but they need to do other jumps more difficult just to have a chance of equalize the score of overscored Evgenia!
Astromanía yeah it's really sad! Just recently Yulia Lipnitskaya had to quit skating at age 19 because of anorexia. Her coaches and people were saying she was too fat when she's actually beautiful. She was also a beautiful skater. So much talent gone
I'm from Russia and WTF??
Judges, are you drunk???
Judging system must to be fair, this is awful
Why they are doing this dirty score at flutz???
Medvedeva is a very good skater and much more intresting to see real score
Wrong edge. Let's face it.please
Figure skating is died
Yes, she is a great skater. But judges has to be fair. They destroy figure skating.
свобода виддера Thanks to the judges I'm less motivated to watch the figure skating in the upcoming Olympics. They need to get to the bottom of this.
actually i dont even care about unfair judge system and Russia anymore.. I just hope Russian figure fans could give another chance to elizabetta? I think she truly is worth of gold. one of very few in nowadays who does every jump right with good speed. That girl is the real deal once she does it right.
The ice queen KIM YUNA is the best
김연아한테 항상 짜게주시던분들이 누구한텐 항상높게주시네.. 정신차려라 isu 그리고 심판들...
김연아는 너무 잘하니까 김연아가 잘하는 기술들 점수 죄다 낮춰놓고 김연아 은퇴하니까 점수 퍼주고 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ진짜 김연아 가 너무 모범적이고 잘해서 어지간히 싫었나보다 ㅉ
It is definite that she does flutz every single time but omg look at her right foot! Right before taking jump, her foot is just bent inside. Compared to yuna, her toe isn't straightly positioned. Looks like she jumps with her edge. What a skater! I should rather call her an acrobat.
Yuna Kim is the best skater ever!
Hmmm.. Looking at my analytics. Every single dislike has been from Russia. Every like has come from Korea, Germany, Ukraine, Singapore, Belgium, France. Not a single dislike came from those countries. Russian Figure Skating Federation don't like being exposed...
Koola King i think so too russian n all med's fans r blind n they like to hide the truth
Koola King Bruh I'm American and I disliked XD
"Bruh" thanks for wasting 5 minutes of your life watching a video you hate. I am glad I waste 5 minutes of your precious life. Bye.
PS: My bad my analytics from a month ago forgot to include your dislike made 8 minutes ago.
Lillyan The Otaku There's always exceptions LOL
не тяните за уши осла, зависть вас погубит сударь
What's more astonishing, is that she didn't have that deep inside edge and "toe axel pick" at first. Her lutz edge was just flat. It got worse season after season, because none was correcting her and instead they showered her with WR.
Shame shame
잘못된 엣지에 가산점? 러시아가 소치이후로 막나가네 ㅎㅎ
I saw a post on goldenskate questioning whether her flutz was getting worse and I feel like it is, she has made no effort to change/correct the jump and why would she?? Especially when she keeps getting +goe from the judges, instead of edge calls like she should.
Yup I've read some of the threads and its quite evident she stopped trying to use an outside edge (but even when she tried she only achieved a flat edge). Its quite sad what the judges are doing to the sport. Expecially when you look at skaters like Zi Jun Li who also has the same flutz issue as Evgenia. However, unlike Evgenia, Zi Jun gets dinged like crazy by the judges. -2 -3 GOE across the board.
The goldenskate forums can also be quite delusional.
You've got a surprising amount of Evgenia sheeps on there defending her uncalled flutz. You would think that a forum catering toward experienced figure skaters would not have such people.
True but I still love it though.
Yes the forum is quite entertaining. I love all the posts about Evgenia being the best skater in the world. Then someone with a brain corrects them and the sheep herd comes to attack the poor fellow.
Koola King Yep but hey what can you do?
+Kayla Gaines Lets hope ISU starts implementing better edge calling guidelines next year!
New Era standard 3luz = Deep inside edge
Yuna Era standard 3Luz= Deep outside edge
??????????????? ISU & now judging system & all judge table was so "Ugly"
Please show us better Kim's wrong edge on flip!
+Михаил Nsk
Haha so funny , Yuna perfect 3Flip than Medvedeva
(Kim's speed better , 3 turn better, take off position better , high and long distance better )
What are you say yuna wrong edge ? Make me laugh hahaha
Perfect with outside edge? wery perfect! ))
+Михаил Nsk
I feel are you complicated!!!!
Yuna Perfect both jumps (Lutz&Flip)
She lutz was deep "outside edge"
She Flip was deep "inside edge"
Are you understand ?
i saw her fliptz. Tilt of the foot outward. this is wrong edge. You just close your eyes when you see that, so good luck to your channel with 78 subscribers the same losers as you
Your editing skills keep getting better and better. 😊
-unlike Evgenia's Lutz lol-
Yasss!!! Thank you for the complement! That last part had me hollering!
Koola King I don't know...if the deep outside edge is norm for Lutz then Yuna performs it clearly. However I think firstly Evgenia is small and much slender than Yuna, which may play here a vivid role. Secondly, in slow motion, Evgenia's entrance into Lutz with flat edge appears more elegant and less distorting, and in full speed by far more fluent and powerful. Maybe Evgenia wants this fluency and elegance in jumps more than clear technical Lutz. She mentioned she wants to show how beautiful skating looks like, she never declared that she has the best technique on Lutz, neither is this her fault. Don't be stubborn on this topics on Yuna Queen. Yuna is no queen, she is an ordinary human, much like Evgenia. They both have their own style and rightly so! Evgenia is original, she doesn't stick to book, can't you get over it? Ridiculous. Believe me, her time also will come , she will retire one day too...nothing is forever...
Monika Baková You're deranged. Have all of Evgenia's diehard fans gone completely insane at this point?
Daniel That depends... I am not Evgenia's diehard fan. It just so happens that she has the most beautiful programs and music year to year. Evgenia's skating as it is presented to the audience is a complete different level. I think that's the reason ISU turns blind to some strange rules. Evgenia uses tano, or even both hands so if you feel short or cheated on your concept of what must a Lutz look like, it is your own issue. She is very slender, so better stop arguing. What may be doable to a strong body type like Yuna, may be unachievable to Evgenia. It would be discrimination to call it otherwise. I think you have never seen Evgenia live, have you? Otherwise you would see my point: she takes somewhere away, but she cares to add tano, steps, artistic content - ISU must judge the broad picture. Even with all the calls she would win, don't you see she is by 10 points better than all the rest in the world?
1) "Evgenia uses tano, or even both hands so if you feel short or cheated on your concept of what must a Lutz look like, it is your own issue."
-The definition of Lutz has been clearly spelt out by ISU, outside edge jump, that is ISU OFFICIAL concept, not what we intended it to be. Hence it is ISU's judging issues, not ours just because we are calling out her errors.
2) "She is very slender, so better stop arguing. What may be doable to a strong body type like Yuna, may be unachievable to Evgenia. It would be discrimination to call it otherwise."
-Many figure skaters are slender, not just her. Alina Zagitova is also a slender figure skater, coached by the same person that coaches Evgenia as well. Alina's Lutz is outside edge unlike Evgenia, hence this is not called discrimination, this is called incompetence, please get your words right.
3) ISU must judge the broad picture.
Uh no. Every score sheet by every skater has each and every element that is assessed one by one. There is no such thing as a broad picture in figure skating. You can see this link below: www.isuresults.com/results/season1617/wc2017/wc2017_Ladies_SP_Scores.pdf
4) Even with all the calls she would win, don't you see she is by 10 points better than all the rest in the world?
She would definitely still win, but not by such outrageous margins where other skaters simply can't catch up to her when her fundamentals are not well established yet.
5) Otherwise you would see my point: she takes somewhere away, but she cares to add tano, steps, artistic content
Artistry and beauty etc is very subjective. You can think of her skating as beautiful that is perfectly fine. But adding more content is not going to help erroneous foundations. It is like eating a beautiful looking but inner-rotten apple.
Thank you so much for having the virtue of exposing this fact into the world. Those responsible and involved in the cheating of scores can fool others but never their own selves.
Everyone talks about Evgenia's uncalled flutz and thus overscoring for this particular jump. But more importantly, she jumps three flips in the same program, which should lead to the last one of those three getting no points at all. If you take this into account, I doubt she would ever have ended up on the podium if the judges had done their job and did the necessary deductions. So the overscoring is much more serious than most people think. It's not just a couple of points, it's at least a dozen.
I don't understand people that have disliked this video. It's totally nonsense.
Thank you so much for uploading this!!!! - This Video says more than millions of words ...The only question is: Hey, Judges, WHY??????
I love Evgenia, I really do, but I notice these, and I don't know if she knows she is doing it, but doesn't care, or isn't aware she is doing it because SHE NEVER GETS TOLD SHE IS! If she got an edge call (which is well deserved), maybe she would fix it and her skating would be even better?
you might not know..correcting jumping is almost impossible..its like bad habit and our body naturally react it..it happened when ISU changed their rule all japnese skater struggled and never recovered for example miki ando
that is why when Evgenia broke the world record most fan who knows about edge works disagreed and saying unworthy..
Nope she knows so many skating fans had been accusing her for her flutz, prerotations, and incorrect take-offs etc. And she actually replied to them saying that it's easy to think but hard to do and she's working on it yup she said this SINCE 2016 or maybe before that
Emi Wyan Nope she knows so many skating fans had been accusing her for her flutz, prerotations, and incorrect take-offs etc. And she actually replied to them saying that it's easy to think but hard to do and she's working on it yup she said this SINCE 2016 or maybe before that
I notice she took out a lot of lutzes and replaced them with flips and loops after people complained she wasn't being deducted.
I agree! I like Evgeniya but she does have a bad lutz. And I think she admitted it somewhere, that's why she only performs one lutz. But I'm not annoyed with her, it's hard to re-learn the jump, however I am annoyed that ISU don't call the edge and that commentators say that she has a perfect technique. Actually same goes to Osmond who I also really like. Actually I think a lot of top skaters don't get edge calls on lutz and flip...
Honestly, I like Yuna, but I feel like she is treated better than other skaters.
The vaulting leg is what worries me more. Yuna had a very natural vaulting leg position, where Evgenia looks like she is going to dislocate her knee. The skate is almost perpendicular to the one riding the edge for the (f)lutz.
its all about popularity in the figure skating sports! its sad I know. If they are NOT popular, their presentation score will be lower or maybe less GOE for their jumps and spins.
연아야 ㅠ.ㅠ 사랑해
Wow I’m glad I found your channel. So many uncalled flutz, that’s embarrassing. Not hating on Evgenia but I don’t like when ISU is not upholding the integrity of this beautiful sport.
메뎁 나오는 대회마다 1등 만들어줘봤자 기억나는 프로그램도 티켓파워도 없음 여싱 인기 땅바닥으로 떨어진게 언젠데 ㅎㅎ 싫어요 누른 러샨들 니들이 다 해먹으세여 녜녜~
Queen Yuna! 👑👏💐
I really wish Evgenia would fix her edge violation on her lutz, but I do not think it is her fault how the judges seem to turn a blind eye to it. I feel that if she fixed this, she could be an even better skater, but I do not see the point in all this hate on her, and comparing her to others. We should be encouraging to correct her mistake, not being mad for her for it.
Team trophy 2017 +2 GOE???????????????? Fucking god kill me .RIP figure skating .
Yeah I was in disbelief at that one. +2 GOE for a deep inside edge lutz. Yikes.... there is absolutely no way they didn't notice that edge violation. That is evident proof that judges are turning a blind eye to "certain skaters"
And the fact that it was the first time a lady scored over 160 ... I felt something was off then
+MavyNavy
160 point very overrate score . Jumps so weakness (no speed ,wrong edge Lutz, no power ) ,Overscore in PCS
Daniil Andryushchenko shut your mouth up
i agree with you. in particular, the score of WTT is ridiculous!!!
파겨역사상 김연아 같은 선수는 백년에 한번 나올까 말까 한 선수이다. 기술적으로도 예술적으로도 이리 아름다운 선수가 어디 있는가!
메뎁아 러츠냐 룹이냐... 치팅점프해서 금메달 따는거면 나도 피겨 시작했지
Geon-woo Kim 토를 찍는게 아니라 날전체로 비벼버리네요. 진심 룹 뛰는줄...
So I dont watch figure skating these days. So disgusting. Shame on you ISU
I love queen YUNA
UPDATE: She got an 'e' on her lutz for the first time since her senior debut!!! www.kraso.sk/wp-content/uploads/sutaze/2017_2018/20170921_ont/CSSVK2017_Ladies_FS_Scores.pdf
This was a competition held just a while ago
Oh my.... I hope Evgenia will be more better, after Brian Orser become her coach.... she will have Yuzu and Javi too as her practice friend....
Nothing makes me more proud of my Korean heritage with Yuna doing such a incredible job representing us. I miss her so much on the ice..
Okay but aside from that girls who put their tights over their skates should be penalized as well. It’s an offense to fashion. Let’s start a revolution.
Only Yuna's skate that made me cry... Truly the Queen of figure skating.
Evgenia even knows her lutz's edge i s wrong. That's why she pretend as if she does out edge on preparation process of jump.
Not only for the left foot, but also comparing for the right-toe-foot. Medvedeva totally doesn't have a toe jump but a BLADE jump by her right foot. Her two legs are twisted. No beauty of using body force or techniques. They are many players trouble with Flutz/Lip, but she owns the most ugly toe jumps ever appeared. Yuna is the Queen of Lutz not only because of her deep edge, but also the straight body position, jumping height and length on ice. Her the right-foot toe pick straightly and correctly lands behind left foot. It is the key of lutz, force against the inertia of skating, the art of controlling blade by body~~~
Wow ! I just learned about inside and outside edges from this after watching a skating for years. I heard them say it always, but never really understood, but in this video and slow motion I now understand...I was so excited watching as I now know what it means..Lol....Thankyou. 💙
Queen Yuna.
Thanks for explanation. It's so clear to me now
Shame on u ISU judges!! How much did Russia paid u guys?
Amazing video, it explains every detail perfectly!!! So eye opening!!! Thanks for helping all of us understand who really does it correctly, and who doesn't... obviously...! ;)
Man, the twist Med has on that right ankle. Ouch! Yuna has a much deeper knee bend entering the jump, Med makes up for the lack of power in the legs and no outside (take off) edge by twisting her right ankle and pushing off with the right blade. Her ankle is getting taped now....She fell at NHK, the toes jumps need major revamping :-(
good music. i was very entertained. can we have more comparisons than only between yuan and Evgenia?
Thanks! You bet :)
@@nlks100. What’s the music name?
I'm only asking this as a viewer of RUclips skating videos with zero expertise in the technical aspects of scoring the elements, but does Medeveda's "arms in the air" technique during these jumps earn her extra credit during the scoring that would elevate her grade of execution?
How long will we have to deal with ISU's punctuation "errors" favoring Fear? 😡
Got banned from a group chat for sending this video lol some people can't handle the truth
Wow thats messed up... what group chat is this?
Koola King it was a group chat on kik made for figure skaters. They got hella triggered for no reason at all.
Aishi Ayano looool 😂😂😂
They should quit figure skating if they get triggered like that. Figure Skating is a SPORT therefore judging needs to be fair. How would they feel if their flutz got called while another skater gets +2 for a flutz.
When did “fairness” mean anything to skating?
Thanks for this! I finally understand the flutz lol
Why doesn't she fix it???
Давай попробуй перевести это.
Ты судишь по одним прыжкам, почему всю программу не анализируешь?
Hmm...this is nice video. I understand that there is a great difference between Yuna's lutz jump and Medvedeva's that.
Yuna's 3Lz is deep outside edge and really splendid!! but Medvedeva's jump is not bad. the problem is that judge have a high opinion of fluz jump.
hahaha. high opinion of a flutz. love it.
Zhenya is on the wrong edge of lutz ,yuna was not on the right edge of flip also yuna loop was not good and she gave up
But zhenya is trying to improve
You know you could give me some credit for using my whole video. It took me some time make it.
Hey Louise! Sorry! I was going to add you in the credits but my computer ran out of disc space and couldn't save! Was going to hit you up to let you know but I went to bed straight after uploading. I just woke up. I will link you in the description!
Koola King That's all right.
I added a like and subscribe for you! :) Looking forward to working with you!
Thanks! Anyway your video editing is kinda better than mine!
Thanks! Haha its a different style! But your edit is just as good!
what's the name of the song that you used? great video btw!
Nobody can replace what yuna done to skating world..their is one and only Queen yuna...after sochi scandal nobody believed you ISU
When Asada-Sang did : Call -1.40
When Zhenya did : Don't call + Goe
ARE YOU BLIND ISU JUDGES? 😐😐😐 after Adelina win gold and Queen retired, I watch only Men figure skater or Japanese skater . So dissapointed.
Yuna's deeply bent outside edge looks super painful for her ankle. I wonder if that's the correct way to jump lutz.
Your feet are enclosed in boots so it stops anything from moving too much. Kind of how a hiker or skier wears enclosed boots. The ankle is quite a flexible joint. You just need to make sure you condition and stretch those peroneal muscles on the outside of the lower leg- and there is so much more off ice training these days for those kids of things.
I love both evgenia and Yuna but Evgenia really needs to fix this particular issue because imo its her only technical flaw and its not fair that she keeps getting crazy high scores and keeps winning with a huge flaw in her technique.
Unfortunately, this is not her only technical flaw. All of her jumps have serious issues, including her so-called "perfect" loops and salchows. Look up Koola's videos on Medvedeva's "flawless" technique.
어쩐지...ㅉㅉ 이상하더라
Love your content! I'm totally new in this figure skating world, and you've taught me all I know (I'm no expert, but I'm beyond grateful)
Still, I'd like to see the other side... what are Evgenia's strenghts, and what were Yuna's mistakes? I don't want to put any of them on a pedestal they don't deserve
Russia dirty score
Thank you video creator for teaching a proper Lutz clearly. Wow Yuna is textbook. The other needed reproval of the take off. Yuna is Lutz Queen yet the Evginia was obviously the Queen of Flutzes.
Koola King how are you not on the judge panel and bringing justice to this ISU madness?
Actually lutz and flip have the same take off requirements and they both cannot take off from the inside edge. Therefore when a lutz is cheated it does not become a flip. Rather it becomes like a bad salchow. Same thing with a flip. If it’s cheated it becomes a bad salchow. The lutz and flip differ in their entrance to the jump
Tara Lipinski was a notorious flutzer, yet she won Olympic gold! Why does that sound familiar?
corrut soviet. just pathetic.....
김민건 what does the Soviet has to do with this??? SU is long gone, it's Russians,and their faults
Yuna Kim is Legend.
Lutz are so wrong that they seem flips. am I right?
Yes, but what will the difference in points be? Would it have been enough to dethrone her? I don’t think so.
Saying that, yes, it’s annoying that the ISU couldn’t spot the Flutz.
Sure, maybe it is a flutz but let's keep in mind how most of her jumps she has one or both hands above her head, so even with the -3 or -2 GOE she probably gets the +for the hands above head. You can not just look at one aspect, but the whole jump.
I think that it is not qualified as a referee to give a margin for wrong edge use. The referee, Russia and Japan are on the other hand. So Yunakim is a great player. Even though he fought alone, he stood at the podium at all competitions.
Когда вы уже корейцы успокоетесь? Господи придрались к одному lutz. Ну сколько там вычитают за неправильный край. Это всё с лихвой компенсируется за сложность других прыжков, комбинаций, исполнение tano ripon, сложные заходы и выходы из прыжков, исполнение прыжков и комбинаций во 2-й половине программ, разве это мало? Вы никак не можете успокоится, что побит рекорд Юны Ким. Время Юны Ким давно прошло.
you make me laugh..her transition is still childish and not complicated at all..if you are a skater you would know..correct edge jumps effect the process of choreograph. i know for you it is hard to chew but truth hurts..grow up..you prove how russian is studip and no wonder why you need dope to win the sports..cheater!! glad we dont need to see you guys next olympic should be baned forever!!!
И не говори. Вечно какой то комплекс неполноценности у хангуков
Ахахаха а ничего, что у неё и другие прыжки страдают. Судьи должны учитывать всё, и если Женя ошибается в прыжке, они обязаны снижать GOE
Do you hate russians?
Правда - она и в Африке правда.
What music?
it's so frustrating that the judges don't do what they're supposed to do. it's just bad for everyone. and it's outrageous that the skaters that have spent time perfecting their jumps are essentially being punished for it and the skaters that have flawed jumps are rewarded for it. as someone who really likes allot of skaters that have "bad jumps" it's frustrating for me as well since it just gives people ammo for hating on them. the solution though is not hating on the skater, they don't decide how many points they are going to get, and honestly i very much doubt that it was any skaters "evil master plan" for it to have turned out this way. it's the judges responsibility to judge properly and to reward skaters that do the jumps properly. ISU need to fix this, for everyone's sake.
Elise Bech yeah. I don't hate Evgenia because she has a flutz that's ridiculous. But I feel like she is a good enough skater to improve it
I do agree but you have to remember Evgenia is a world class figure skater. She knows the rules inside out. She knows what a lutz is and yet in competition she consciously does a flip instead of a lutz. That is dishonest and very bad sportsmanship. If you can't perform the lutz you should correct it at that point. For a time her lutz was a flat edge and she should have corrected it right there and then. If she had done that, the blame would not be on her. Instead of correcting the technique she decided to go full out flip instead because the judges are turning a blind eye to her lutz. When you decide consciously to not fix your jump but instead perform it knowing full well it is a flip... the blame is now on her AND the judges.
yeah i get the frustration with her and the other skaters that do this and for the people that watch the sport and want to see good skaters being rewarded and are instead being punished for it. however the skaters now are so young, many of them still kids (where i'm from that's under 18) and i think it's to harsh of people to blame them personally for the marks they get when they are that young and often in a very vulnerable position in general. if they had started their training as adults i would have agreed, but i think they are to young to be held responsible for the decline of quality in the sport when the judges; adult, trained professionals, are to stupid to do their jobs. if anything it's the coaches that should be ashamed in my opinion. they are the adults and they neglect their pupils technique since they can get away with it. they also set a very bad example for other coaches and it's just going to go downhill from here. i do think the skaters have more of a personal responsibility to do better and adresse their flaws as they grow into adults, but first and foremost the fault lie with ISU.
What about Kim's flip then?
Kim's flip? Textbook slight inside edge with deep mohawk entrance.
saw the video! thought she had lip, but her flip is beautiful
her flip is masterpiece!! her height and distance is like men..
배경음악 뭐예요? What's the title of bgm?
Why didn't you include skate America 2015?
I hope that you can make a comparison of Evgenia's jumps at the Olympics.
İ love yuna❤️
Can you make video not only with Medvedeva? I'm not sure that you are not a hater as you say. There are many fine skaters, but you compare her only with Yuna Kim. Do you have another videos? No. Although there is one video with Sotnikova. Why are you doing this for? To show a bad judging system? No skaters, except Medvedeva and Kim? It's funny. I wish you luck and achieve your great goal. Sorry for my English. Bye.
The video maker explained it to a few other commenters (so im just repeating that) and he/she says that it's to show unfair judging as Medvedeva' s violations are being ignored by the judges while other (current) skaters are still being penalised for doing these same mistakes. Kim Yuna is only being used to show how the proper lutz should be done since she has a textbook lutz. Btw only replied cause the video maker doesn't really seem to be a hater (in my opinion of course).
Ki Ha so you can use Tuktamysheva to show the best lutz ever)
점수야 퍼주면 그만이지만 시간이 흘러서 기억에 남는 프로그램은 없을듯.
기억에 남는 선수는 못 될거라는 말.
wow but she has a coach... why doesn't she tell her about her mistakes?!
oh, well, however I still love Evgenia Medvedeva.
pink black in Russia, they only care about winning. It doesn't matter HOW they win. And her team knows that she makes mistakes, but since the ISU doesn't penalize her, why bother changing?
pink black her coach came to the Philippines to teach skaters and I wanted to ask why evgenia can't fix her flutz but that I think he would get offended
Olivia Lau and what do you care? if you don't care about winning then it is called "a show" not a competition. Relax, you should address that questions to the judges, not to her.
does scoring system anonymous? should reveal all the judges every competitions I think.
영상을 보니 롱에지도 롱에지지만, 오른쪽 다리로 얼음을 찍을때 두 선수간에 정말 큰 수준 차이가 나네요. 메드베데바는 이미 발목이 왼쪽으로 90도 이상 돌아서 얼음을 찍는데, 블레이드 도약까지는 아니라도 거의 그렇게 보일 정도로 poor take off를 합니다. 저런 편법을 이용하는데도(사실, 거의 모든 여싱들이 이런식으로 점프를 뛰죠) GOE를 거의 2점씩이나 받아 챙기다니 정말 어이가 없습니다.
Technical Panels = Rubbish
I’m not gonna lie I though she was a really good jumper because her videos were one of the first female I watched after Kim yuna. Although I knew there was some elegance missing but thanks to all these videos I realise why people have strong opinions about this.
Is it not illigal for judges to do this?