Thanks for watching! Below is the link to my longer demonstration of how to use the Zorn color palette in an Alla Prima oil painting! "How To Begin An Oil Painting, Alla Prima + Color Mixing Basics (ZORN Palette)" ruclips.net/video/flp38wjNKCk/видео.html
@@billjenkins5422 Thanks for the kind words, Bill. I am so glad you like the editing. It takes forever. 🙂 Anyway, I do the editing with Adobe Premier Pro. Thanks for watching.
I went my whole senior AP Art class using 3 paint tubes. I had very little confidence at the beginning of the semester, because I wanted to make portraits of my friends. In the critical art world, that seemed too basic. It didn't help hearing that from my teachers either. I believed I was going to get a 3 and hoped for a 4. I ended up getting a perfect score at the end of the year... a 5... 100%. I can thank my pallet. Building it with what I knew about color, I never realized how important it ended up being. The countless late nights I spent getting to know those colors resulted in artwork that even impresses me to this day. Nothing feels better than revisiting a portfolio that you cant believe you made. That was when I too, realized light is color
Zorns palette was actually a bit more complex. He had two varieties of Cinnabar, one yellow ocher, cobalt blue, Ivory black, and emerald green when he wanted to give his greens a boost. This, according to Birgitta Sandström who I visited with in 1992. She was curator of the Zorn museum in Mora, Sweden.
Thank you for the comment. Appreciate your insights. I had read he used a Viridian in his expanded palette, but Emerald Green is just such a beautiful color. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for watching and for your suggestion. Totally, Payne's Grey is a wonderful substitution for the limitations of Ivory Black in watercolor. Have you tried the Velázquez Palette in watercolor? It is by far my favorite. Thanks again. Happy painting!
@@michaeljohnnolan I'd argue that it is the zorn palette, because it plays the role of both white and black. In oils you get somewhat "blue" and "green" by using black and white mixed with the other 2 colors (as you showed in the video). Since these two aren't traditionally used in watercolor, you can use the color that is in between black and white. And that's a not-too-blue version of Payne's gray (both Schmincke and Daniel Smith have such versions). I used it along yellow ochre and vermillion/chinese orange-type colors, I've painted a portrait with such a palette, and it works great. The Velasquez version has ultramarine in it, which is way too blue and strong color compared to the two other muted ones.
I used Zorn palette in watercolor. I found a problem with vermillion, which, on the contrary of oil color (an intense red), vermillion watercolor (two brands tested) tends to a dark orange tone. I started to use midlle cadmium red instead.
@@tejasnair3399 Most black watercolors lean warm instead of cool. When using opaque mediums, the black is accompanied by titanium white, which provides the cool, blue-leaning black (because tit. white is actually blueish). We don't use white on watercolor, so we need that blue-ness to be part of the actual color we use. Hence, a black-leaning payne's grey.
I’ve been experimenting with limited palettes in my acrylics and it’s such a game changer. Just a huge jump in quality of paintings. But it was a couple years before I was ready to try it and now I love it. I’m primarily a landscape painter so I don’t use the Zorn palette but usually pick a yellow, blue, white and black. Or I go with a red, yellow, payees grey and white. Gives me those distinct and yet harmonious greens I’ve been struggling with. And the limited pallets really helps keep the whole painting harmonious. Just wonderful.
Excellent! Thank you for the note. You said it very clearly and thoughtfully. Unifying the palette and all color mixings is so important to make everything seem believable and natural. The easiest way to do that is by just limiting our colors. Thanks for watching and contributing. Cheers!
When I started out trying oils in high school we were only permitted extremely limited palettes, and though it's been well over 20 years now, I still remember how absolutely liberating it felt to not have to sit and ponder all the different paints. We got to use a white, a black, and one color that got switched out each week, and then slowly through the semester had up to two more colors added in, and it was an excellent way to learn temperatures and color theory without getting too much to think about all at once. The final five paints we had were titanium white, ivory black, yellow ochre, burnt sienna, and ultramarine blue, which I think most art students would recognize as an incredibly standard earth toned palette. Nowadays, I am much more a water color enthusiast, yet my standard limited palette to shove in my pencil case still consists of a yellow ochre, a burnt sienna, an ultramarine blue and a payne's gray (an excellent alternative to black when it comes to water colors). Have you tried the super limited palette of burnt sienna and payne's gray in watercolors? It's a treat! Your video makes me want to dig out my paints and give some studies a go. Thank you for boosting inspiration!
Awesome! Thank you for sharing. Sounds like you had a very good high school art class. I have used Burnt Sienna and Payne's Grey for watercolor and for gouache. And you are so right, it is just a simple and lovely combo. Those two colors always remind me of a good Andy Wyeth winter landscape study. Beautiful! Recently, I have been caught up with the Velázquez Palette. Anyway.... GET THOSE PAINTS OUT and get to painting! :) Scratch that itch... you will be so happy that you did. If you want, send me a pic of your new paintings and we will chat it up. Thanks again for the kind words. I appreciate your time. Cheers!
As a red-green colorblind painter, limited palettes are super helpful for keeping track of what I’ve used and preventing introduction of unintentional hues.
Excellent! Organizing limited palettes by analogous values (light to dark) is also very helpful. Thank you for sharing and I appreciate your time and comment. Happy painting!
Yup, the grid was so useful. I am studying it to see all the possibilities and pin down those mixtures I really need to practise - that's the cooler end.
Why did I use the Zorn palette? Because I lived in the 1600s when a nice economic blue was tough to find. Thanks to time travel, I now have Prussian blue. When I need it, I will use it. Seriously, my takeaway is that 4 colors can produce timeless museum masterpieces. I am using far too many colors for far too many silly reasons! Thank you for this awesome video! This was hugely entertaining and profoundly helpful!
I started experimenting with Zorn palette some time ago, in watercolour. drawing flowers. So very much interesting to work. But used paynes gray, just because I love it.
Thanks for your comment and your note. And you are so right, Payne's Grey is a wonderful substitution for the limitations of Ivory Black in watercolor. I would highly recommend trying the Velázquez palette in watercolor if you haven't yet. It is by far my favorite limited palette for still lifes and portraits. Thanks again. Cheers!
So cool! Me too... I was obsessed with their work... still am. :) That exhibition sounds amazing! I am so jealous. Thanks for sharing and leaving a comment. I am so glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
When I was learning painting (a very long time ago, so I don't remember if it was my watercolor tutor in high school, or my painting instructor in college), I had a teacher who told us the only colors we would need were Yeloww Ochre, Rose Madder, Burnt Sienna, White, Thalo Blue and Payne's Gray.
Excellent! Well that was some good advice. What a lovely and wide ranging color combination. That color palette really starts to expand on the limitations of the Zorn while still being somewhat limited itself. Throw in a Lemon or Hanza Yellow and you could really mix just about anything. Thanks for watching and contributing. Happy painting!
@@dan13ljks0n Lemon yellow is a nice mixing greenish yellow... and it is the perfect companion for Yellow Ochre. Sounds like you had a good painting teacher. Thanks again for sharing.
I'm using gouache and digital art, and I have two thoughts from the Zorn palette: 1. The Zorn palette made me think of condiments. Titanium white is the mayonnaise, yellow ochre is the mustard, cad red is the ketchup, and ivory black is the Worcestershire sauce. 2. Is it still considered a Zorn palette if I tweak the colors such as switching yellow ochre to a brighter yellow like lemon yellow, from cadmium red to the pyrrol red for cadmium red, and splitting the black into a dark blue like ultramarine or Prussian blue and dark brown like burnt sienna or burnt umber?
That is excellent news. It really helped me see subtle variations in colors. Remember, avoid using too much white in your mixtures. The more white you use, the more you will further desaturate the subtle colors making the combinations very muddy and chalky. Best of luck. Cheers!
@@michaeljohnnolan I so appreciate your advice especially about using too much white. That's what I've been doing. I will let you know how I do. Thank you again.
Awesome! Thank you! Haha. I am so glad you enjoyed the video. Slowly I am making Hermes meaner and meaner every video... "toodles" helps soften him. :) Hope you are having a nice summer.
I had crafted a lengthy commentary about my newfound fascination with Zorn. Right as I was reveling in the enchanting ambiance of your latest Zorn video release, a cruel twist of fate wiped away my words. In a nutshell, your prowess is truly astonishing. The impact of your creations, coupled with the act of sharing them, elevates my existence. Gratitude pours forth, and I beseech you to continue kindling this transformative journey. Thank you immensely, and please, may your creative wellspring never cease to flow! (Lol I think chatgpt helped me to much. yet, I hope you understand the meaning :) Love from Israel Or.
ChapGPT or not... I am humbled. Truly humbled. Haha... you are the best. Thank you for taking the time. I am so overjoyed you liked the video. I was going to have chatgpt write back a response, but I had trouble deciding on the style, and then I had to look up half of the words it used. :) Oh well... Anyway, thank you so much! You have made my day. Long live ZORN!!!! Thanks again. Take care!
While I am a complete amateur when it comes to painting, this video was really inspiring to me! I love mixing colours in watercolour, but I typically paint landscapes, so this set of colours is WAY out of my comfort zone. I will have to pull out a few pans of watercolour today to try this out in my sketchbook! Thanks for such an inspiring video!
Wonderful! I am so glad you enjoyed the video and that it helped you with your painting journey. Sounds terrific! Good luck with the new Zorn palette paintings. Thank you for the kind comments and thanks for watching. Cheers!
This was very interesting and informative. Can you a video on even a MORE limited pallet? The black-white-and-red pallet of the early illustratrations used for early magazine covers, such as Leyendecker and Norman Rockwell. The red was used so effectively to make skin tones, browns, and pops of color, that you would THINK you were looking at a full-color painting.
I am so glad you liked the video. Thank you for watching and leaving such a nice note. That is a great idea. Thank you again. Leyendecker is my painting hero! I will try to get that one done before the end of the year. Thanks again. Cheers!
This video is so well produced. I love that you have footage of mixing colors and charts showing mixed swatches. I'd love to see feature videos of more palettes, or even videos of similar palettes introduced near the start of this video. Keep up the awesome work. I hope this channel grows quickly!
Awesome! I am so glad you enjoyed the video and it was able to help. I appreciate the input. I will be creating a whole color palette and theory series this year. I appreciate your kindness. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers!
The Zorn palette is actually a muted RBY primary colour palette. The white is useful only for those who work with oils, acrylics and gouache. If you replace the Ivory Black with any chromatic mix of black, like a mix of Red and Green, or Magenta with Green, that both mixes neutralize each other and give black you can easily have the range of dark muted blues that you can't get from the single pigmented Ivory black.
Wonderful video. I love the little tidbits of humor, like the paintings winking. It keeps everything fresh and continually informative! I learned quite a lot, thanks!!!!
So glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for the kind comment. I really appreciate it. By the way, great painting yourself. I just checked out your channel. Cheers to you!
Wonderful. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. It changed my awareness and with it my painting for sure when I finally saw it too. Cheers!
FANTASTIC video!! Thank you!! The material discussed? Beyond fascinating. I also can’t believe how amazing the video editing/design is!!!! One of my favorite styles in video compilation, alone. (Especially for a video that’s not actually done by the folks publishing video tutorials on how to make films. Not a comparison. Those guys just are expected to corner the market on quality compilation). Part of that appreciation, admittedly, is how the jokes completely hit my kind of sense of humor. But mostly just because it was great. Thank you!! So so so well done. Beautiful ❤❤❤
Thank you so so so so much! Your comments made my day. I really appreciate all your kind words, but especially your compliments on the editing. Wow! Editing these videos takes forever. But is so much fun and always a cool learning experience though. I had never done any video editing until starting this channel. Anyway, I am so glad you find the videos entertaining and helpful. Thanks again for your kindness. Cheers to you! Skully says hi!
@@michaeljohnnolan naw man, you are tied for top place, between you and only one other video creator, in my view. And the other creator is a huge series that’s subject IS film creation. If you’re just learning to edit videos and compile stories into video?, I am so excited to see where this goes!! The only thing that threw me at first was all the winking, but it was such a constant theme that I was snort laughing by the end. It very much flavors like “Tom Goes to the Mayor.” (If you haven’t seen it, it’s the Zorn palette of cartoons. Minimal ingredients and such a flavorful dish.”) And that’s not even talking about the content! The content? It burned a lesson into my brain I can’t wait to try! Your photographer’s eye, all of it. Just makes me want to yammer far too long in a space designed for short sentences. But yeah, you need to know you’re awesome and your work is SO very much appreciated!!! (And hi Skully 👋😊) looking forward to watching the next Zorn video tonight :)
Thank you so much! I am overjoyed you liked the video and hope it helped. I am doing my best to crank out sessions faster. Next video should be out in a week or so. Thanks again.
Thank you so much for leaving this super nice comment. Made my day. I am so glad you liked the video. The Zorn palette is super fun to use. I highly recommend trying it. Thank again. Cheers!
zorn pallete is the best demonstration on how we actually perceive color.... thing will look more red if you surround it with green, even if you dont use red.. that is pretty much the major thing i learn from painting landscape... everything is a shade of brown..
Well said! Absolutely! The Zorn palette is one of the best tools to force that awareness. Once you see it, you can never unsee it. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching. Cheers!
I've recently started using the zorn palette, since I'm new to oil painting. The mistake that I keep on making is that I'm not using the black as a blue. I know it's meant to be a blue, but when it comes time to mix color, I just use the black to darken the other colors.
Thanks for watching and the comment. Absolutely, we all have done that. The nice thing about the Zorn is that Ivory Black is both the blue cooler hue and it is also the darkening value. Outside of the Zorn palette, for more natural colors, try to darken or neutralize a color with the opposite complement color. Good luck on your painting. Cheers!
excellent Video, love it, i am a new sub, so glad i ran into your channel! i been painting for years but learning new things, keeps things fresh! one can never! Stop learning!
Awesome, thank you! I appreciate you watching, subscribing, and for the great note. Well said! There is always something new to learn and create. Cheers!
@@kennethaquino8352 Excellent, Kenneth! From the Philippines, awesome! Portrait painting is some true painting right there. The Zorn palette is perfect for portraits. Thank you again. Cheers!
Awesome as always. I've been meaning to paint that skull and candle ever since I got the reference from the class. Might actually get around to it this week.
Excellent! That's how I typically start a palette. Start with a Zorn palette and then add the colors that I need to complete the painting. Thanks for watching!
Yes he was, is and will stay rock’n’roll! I’m glad you like him! I wish I could time travel and go back to the days when he was still teaching at the local school he and Emma built up a 120 years ago…
I am sort of curious if there are any popular limited palettes for landscape painting? Or more generally what sort of palette Zorn used for the their landscapes?
Great question! Zorn is very limiting for landscapes. Thus, most artists will replace modern Ivory black with Payne's Grey for more range... basically Ultramarine Blue + Ivory Black. But Andy Wyeth made a career of Zorn pallete looking landscapes. Anyway, the Velázquez palette I mentioned in the video is wonderful for limited palette landscapes no matter what medium. It swaps out Ivory black for Ultramarine Blue and Vermillion for Burnt Sienna, in addition to using Yellow Ochre. It all depends on the region and might be too limiting for areas that are super green. However, living in the desert, it works perfectly fine. Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@michaeljohnnolan I live in a dessert-adjacent region, It can get suprisingly green in spring, and sometimes even in summer, But it is a pretty red dominated landscape. But generally mars red or Burnt Umber make the dirt and hills there, and it ends up being about a perfect match. Since it's pretty iron rich dirt and both of those pigments are at least partially iron oxide based. I kind of inherited my currrent oil paints. So most of my zorn painting has been digital. Since I don't have cadmium red. I have all the others in the zorn palette, so I did try doing all the others like zorns but with mars red for my red instead. My first zorn-inspired palette I did physically was Ivory Black, Titanium white, Yellow Ochre, and Burnt Umber. Which is actually pretty decent for dessert landscapes at night. And made a couple decent portraits. It can't really make the "rosy" skin tones very well though. It can make a pretty nice looking tan, And it's a breeze to get generally nice skin tones though and to control the value with. Once I switched to a more intense red, it was a bit harder to keep the value where I wanted it to be. I also have tried a 5 color palette, without a dedicated black and it works pretty well for landscapes. Yellow Ochre, Prussian Blue, Either Phthalo green or sap green, Burnt Umber, and Titanium White. And I use Umber + Prussian for my blacks and grays. Occasionally I have tried adding 1 extra color based on the piece. Usually either another more intense yellow-green I forget the name of. That lets me make my greens more vibrant in the middle of the day. Or I sometimes will use both cerulean blue and Prussian So I have both a cyan blue and a real dark, violet leaning blue. Which can look really good for sunsets. Since then I can tint all my greens more towards yellow or blue to give them further contrast. (But be less intense as a green.) I am thinking of buying a cobalt blue for a cyan once my existing cyan Cerulean blue runs out, Since I did some research and learned most Cerulean blue isn't actually a cyan pigment but rather pthalo blue mixed with something else. Which at that point you might as well start with pthalo blue. Although some did have a cyan pigment. Cobalt is more intense Cyan and a slightly different hue, and actually not crazy expensive. (Not cheap either though.) At some point I might try getting a more intense yellow like a lemon yellow, and using it in say a sunset or other very sunny scene to really make it pop more than I can with the yellow ochre. Although, yellow ochre can make a pretty good looking sun. But I probably wouldn't use that for a portrait, Since usually people don't have much green on them. (Unless maybe I was making it stylized or like they were illuminated by green light or something?) I did some more reading, and apparently based on the intensity of the colors, and tinting strength of available pigements, that cyan, magenta, and yellow pigments actually give the widest range of possible colors. In tints and in shades. Particularly with lighter colors. And it's tints. Although, a red, blue, yellow setup is fairly close but not as much. And that a direct green doesn't have quite as strong pigments overall. Although, RGB is great for lighting and monitors. Having a direct green pigment does make them more vibrant. Although some painters actually argue that's a bad thing. Gourney in their "color and light" book. mentioned that green was often viewed as a problem, and that historically paintings with too much green, or too intense greens tended to sell badly. And so a large portion of landscapes often actually understate how green spring and summer scenes often actually are. And part of why fall and winter are such popular seasons for landscapes. I haven't verified those claims though. But still a lot of the most vibrant greens either lean pretty strongly towards Cyan or Yellow. And if you have a strong enough yellow and Cyan you can often actually make more vibrant greens than using most mid-hue green pigments. (Although using a full blue like Pthalo, Prussian, ultramarine won't. The more the blue leans violet the less vibrant greens it makes. But the better it is at making purple and the better it looks with reds usually.) If a blue leans violet enough and the red leans violet enough, then with just a bit of white you can get a decently rich purple/violet. Otherwise you tend to get nice greys, which are useful if your painting isn't going to have purple. Longer term, I am thinking I might try to eventually move to like a 7-8 color palette. So I get one great pigment in each major hue spot Plus white and maybe black. But, I don't need to go that far for a bit, and if I am just doing landscapes and portraits I shouldn't need a strong purple for awhile. Although mars red is actually more violet than Cadmium red by a significant margin, Or Alizarian Crimson(Which doesn't last that well.), It's not as intense as Cadium But it is more than Crimson, It doesn't seem to be super popular though despite being fairly cheap. not sure how much by. But if you have it you can actually match a burnt umber shade by adding a bit of black, and depending on the brand some times a tiny bit of yellow ochre.
Excellent! I wasn't familiar with that. Which blues? I really love his work! Anyway, lead white is super hard to get in the States too. Only a handful of companies make it. Thanks for watching and for the comment!
A Zorn palette with the additions of these colors creates a very earthy-intense dual primary palette. Sounds like fun to me. Happy painting. Thanks for watching!
The problem with Zorn is that Ivory black has none of the blueness that the actual pigment (made of charred Ivory) used to have. It is just carbon black in a different tube. All the colors have changed over the years. To make maters worse, while the Zorn palette has gained in popularity on RUclips, I once contacted a very experienced paint tech, at one of the top companies, and asked him which colors he recommended for the Zorn palette. He had never heard of it. So were aren't going to get much support from the paint companies. The first company that cracks the code, will probably gain a lot of support.
Great info. Thank you for sharing. You are so right... I should've made mention of the modern "Ivory" Black, but I thought the video was long enough. That is so wild about the paint tech not knowing about the Zorn palette. Looks like we are on our own. Thanks for watching and commenting. Appreciate you!
Nice video. The problem with the Zorn, is that none of the colours are available today; OK, you can get yellow Ochre (YO), but given that there are a wide rang of different YO pigments, and that despite the online popularity of Zorn, few if any paint companies make a Zorn palette kit, I wouldn't hold my breath that they have the right YO. I called one of the top two Acrylic painting companie's paint tech, and he hadn't even heard of it! Vermilion. Maybe, but the original was fugitive, and is largely not available. The most Commonly recommended, Cadmium Red Light, is both highly toxic, expensive, and not really close. White. Here we fall off a cliff. Ti White, is nothing like lead white, not just in one respect, but a whole range of differences. Worst of all Ivory Black (the blacks are all the same really), has no blue whatever in it, it just a different labeling of Lamp Black. The blue is not subtle, it is non-existent. Apparently there was a blue tinge to Ivory, but notwithstanding are the huge piles of charred Ivory we regularly create these days, there is not way we can use any byproduct of elephant poaching. The "Zorn" palette is none the less a very popular tool, and should possibly be the first palette one tries when one exhaust the black white palette.
Thank you so much. I'm glad you liked the video. Also, I appreciate your thoughtful and informative comment. It would be amazing if an established paint company tried to make an authentic Zorn palette set. A huge miss. And you are 100% right. In just my short experience dealing with pigments for the last few decades, oil colors have change so much over that time. Yellow Ochre is all over the place with so many variations. It would be super nice to know which one Zorn ACTUALLY used. I've read too many different assumptions. In regards to Vermilion, I did not know that. I had no idea that the original Vermilion was more fugitive. That would've been nice to experience. Totally, modern Ivory Black is so different than that of the Grumbacher oil tubes I have that look like they date back to the 70's. They might actually be from the 80's, hard to tell. As for the lack of blue in modern Ivory black, Payne's Grey is always recommended as an alternative...BUT the modern mixture with Ultramarine Blue is way too strong and Payne's Grey doesn't even get close to making a true dark. Thanks again! It was great getting to read your thoughts. Cheers!
Hi, I'm just adding some facts about the pigments. Anders Zorn used pigments from Winsor & Newton, Schmincke and LeFranc Paris, canvas from Swedish brand Becker (still live n' kicking), local pigments and solvents/mediums in Europe. As any other artist he tested, added and used new synthetic colours at the time. He used Gamboge (the real stuff not the synthetic New Gamboge we use today), Prussian Blue, Lamp Black, Chinese White and Brown Pink. All these colours was in his palette - they are displayed in the exhibition at the Zorn Museum in Mora, Sweden. I know that at least one manufacturer (Royal Talens, NL) keep records of how, when and who made specific colours since 1899 when it was founded. with their archives art restorer can get the actual reciepe for a colour to touch up old paintings. When some of Zorn's paintings were under a microscope prior the exhibition, they found these layers from the painting with Zorn in his red suite: 1. Lead white with chalk, 2. Beige paint (lead white and zinc white and alumino silicates), 3. Viridian and lead white, 4. Reddish-brown paint layer - Vermillion, bone black, lead white, earth pigments and alumino silicates. Well... I'm off to see the exhibition one more time before they take it down. /Malin
@@krang-malinkarlsson8642 Malin! Thank you for adding. Wow! That is just too cool. I am so jealous... go see that exhibition another time for me, as well. I read he had also used Gamboge, Prussian Blue and Viridian, but I did not know about the other colors. You can totally make out that little stroke of Viridian gently scrubbed in his tie in his self-portrait with the rust orange jacket. Anyway, thank you again for contributing. I appreciate you taking the time to share and comment. I just learned so much from you and Hondo. Cheers!
@@michaeljohnnolan I'll have you in mind when I'm off to the museum. I only live 4 km (2.5 miles) away and literally grew up with his legacy in my hometown. I can share one cool thing about the way he painted portraits, especially a full size of the late Swedish king Gustav V. No matter where you stand in the exhibition hall where it hangs the gaze of the king always follows you around... as if a revolving sculpture, never taking the eyes off of you. A bit creepy but still sooo cool! Link below to the painting. commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anders_Zorn_-_Gustav_V.jpg#/media/Fil:Anders_Zorn_-_Gustav_V.jpg
@@krang-malinkarlsson8642 Thanks for the link. That is one of my favorites too. Now that I think of it... I have only seen a few Zorn works in person. They have such a power and vitality to them. Honestly, they pulse from the wall. I appreciate your passion. Enjoy the show. Cheers!
Excellent! I did not know that. Polygnotus was definitely painting well before Apelles. And I was not that familiar with his palette. Appreciate the input. Thanks for watching!
Hello! Absolutely! The Zorn palette can match any and all skin types. However, the most important aspect of a skin type is the color of the light illuminating it. The Zorn is very limited to a warmer amber light. Hope that helps. Happy painting! :)
art like golf like boating like horse racing, polo, is a rich persons sport. Pencil is all that is left and that is why pencil and paper and watercolor will always be king. Simple. Cheap. No mess no fuss.
Oil painting is definitely a luxury and the materials can get super expensive. While pencils and watercolor can create epic beauty, nothing comes close to the power and illumination of oil paint to capture a concept. It is by far worth the extra cost and effort in exchange for the added potential and possibilities. Come to the dark side with us. :)
If the best time to use this palette is when the colors you are painting are all contained within this palette... isn't that just basic color matching skills?
Thanks for the comment. That is true. But I would argue that "basic color matching" is not so basic and needs to be refined through deliberate limitation, awareness, and practice. Getting to know individual colors and color relationships is so overwhelming for the beginner especially if they are not paying attention to naturalist color harmonies derived by light. The Zorn palette limits the colors so much that it forces the artist to intentionally create and more importantly to be intentionally aware of what they are really seeing. Again, through what they are not able to create. Thanks for watching. Cheers!
While i agree with most of what you say, i would disagree with what you are saying in regards to ivory black being a blue. Its not, its actually quite warm. Titanium white is just extremely cool. This is very important when painting, as not veing aware of titanium’s cold nature leads to killing warmth in your lighter values.
I thought that was interesting to but it seems like with the zorn pallet thats as close to blue as you can get with it. Its not a true blue. Thats what all videos have basically said about the pallet. Its weird but i also get it.
@@codyhughes1147 Sorry for not being clear, what i meant was that ivory black is a warm colour and it is the titanium white that leads to the closest you get to a blue. My disagreement was over the role ivory black plays, not the blueness of the coldest hue :)
@@WhereHeInsertedTheBladee i hear ya. I figured it was a by comparison thing. Like its not cool or blue but its the closest to it in comparison i guess? Yeah...oil and color tech. Its fascinating. Im about to play with the pallet. I always thought it had ultramarine in it instead of black, which i played with last night. Going to replace with the ivory black and experiment now.
@@codyhughes1147 it really is a great palette. I do not like painting with cadmium, so i use napthol instead. It is not that different, and the fundemental principle is there. I think that is the beautiful thing about the palette, just the concept of the simplicity and the dynamics between colours. I now want to try the ultramarine in my palette, that sounds awesome.
Ivory black is burnt umner + ultramarine blue , nad when you mix it it can looks like dark brown or more blushe and stronder. BUT iVORY BLck hVE THt colours one oges in wRM ORANGES BURNT UMBRA TILL ULTRA MARINE BLUE goes to coldest.... I just ask myself wat i see on photography , is this red, green ,blue aka RGB and Mark Caeder learn me about most imortant things, ton and color to 100 percent sea and mix it in minute then aply with no blending, John Sargent reralistic painting with abstract bruseh strokes, this chanela is good, you know to create contnet and montage that im not, thats thaking sucha TIME energy and i better drawung , painting and take look like just, also like Tishler to look. Alapay Efe , this one chanel, and yes man learning till death, there is no sucha thing like im best master on world just qualty art and adivice and trash art that advice i dont need. I know to mix turkoise blue and red ochre, indian zellow, only yello ,red transparent oxide and flake white i cant. Sorry for Eng.
Thank you for the comment and kind words. I'm not sure if I understand everything you were referring to but those color combinations are very good. And you can never go wrong with Sargent's work. Thanks again for taking the time. Cheers!
Thanks for watching! Below is the link to my longer demonstration of how to use the Zorn color palette in an Alla Prima oil painting!
"How To Begin An Oil Painting, Alla Prima + Color Mixing Basics (ZORN Palette)"
ruclips.net/video/flp38wjNKCk/видео.html
Who did you editing? What programs do you use? Amazing
@@billjenkins5422 Thanks for the kind words, Bill. I am so glad you like the editing. It takes forever. 🙂 Anyway, I do the editing with Adobe Premier Pro. Thanks for watching.
Thank you sir 🙏. Love from Morocco ❤
I went my whole senior AP Art class using 3 paint tubes. I had very little confidence at the beginning of the semester, because I wanted to make portraits of my friends. In the critical art world, that seemed too basic. It didn't help hearing that from my teachers either. I believed I was going to get a 3 and hoped for a 4. I ended up getting a perfect score at the end of the year... a 5... 100%. I can thank my pallet. Building it with what I knew about color, I never realized how important it ended up being. The countless late nights I spent getting to know those colors resulted in artwork that even impresses me to this day. Nothing feels better than revisiting a portfolio that you cant believe you made. That was when I too, realized light is color
Wonderful! Thank you for sharing. Sounds like you had a very good teacher in your AP art class. Cheers!
Sweet insight
By 3 colors, which did you use? Was it the zorn pallete he used here?
Zorns palette was actually a bit more complex. He had two varieties of Cinnabar, one yellow ocher, cobalt blue, Ivory black, and emerald green when he wanted to give his greens a boost. This, according to Birgitta Sandström who I visited with in 1992. She was curator of the Zorn museum in Mora, Sweden.
Thank you for the comment. Appreciate your insights. I had read he used a Viridian in his expanded palette, but Emerald Green is just such a beautiful color. Thanks for the info.
@@michaeljohnnolan huh, I always thought emerald green looked a bit sickly, Since it was the green from arsenic if I remember correctly?
You can do zorn with watercolors too, but you need to use Payne's Gray instead of Ivory Black. That's it. It works fine then.
Thanks for watching and for your suggestion. Totally, Payne's Grey is a wonderful substitution for the limitations of Ivory Black in watercolor. Have you tried the Velázquez Palette in watercolor? It is by far my favorite. Thanks again. Happy painting!
@@michaeljohnnolan I'd argue that it is the zorn palette, because it plays the role of both white and black. In oils you get somewhat "blue" and "green" by using black and white mixed with the other 2 colors (as you showed in the video). Since these two aren't traditionally used in watercolor, you can use the color that is in between black and white. And that's a not-too-blue version of Payne's gray (both Schmincke and Daniel Smith have such versions). I used it along yellow ochre and vermillion/chinese orange-type colors, I've painted a portrait with such a palette, and it works great. The Velasquez version has ultramarine in it, which is way too blue and strong color compared to the two other muted ones.
@@EugeniaLoli Insightful and thoughtful. Thanks for the input.
I used Zorn palette in watercolor. I found a problem with vermillion, which, on the contrary of oil color (an intense red), vermillion watercolor (two brands tested) tends to a dark orange tone. I started to use midlle cadmium red instead.
@@tejasnair3399 Most black watercolors lean warm instead of cool. When using opaque mediums, the black is accompanied by titanium white, which provides the cool, blue-leaning black (because tit. white is actually blueish). We don't use white on watercolor, so we need that blue-ness to be part of the actual color we use. Hence, a black-leaning payne's grey.
Jerma taught me this beforehand actually! Cant stop going on and on about this Zorn stuff!
Awesome! It is so cool. Thanks for watching!
I’ve been experimenting with limited palettes in my acrylics and it’s such a game changer. Just a huge jump in quality of paintings. But it was a couple years before I was ready to try it and now I love it. I’m primarily a landscape painter so I don’t use the Zorn palette but usually pick a yellow, blue, white and black. Or I go with a red, yellow, payees grey and white. Gives me those distinct and yet harmonious greens I’ve been struggling with. And the limited pallets really helps keep the whole painting harmonious. Just wonderful.
Excellent! Thank you for the note. You said it very clearly and thoughtfully. Unifying the palette and all color mixings is so important to make everything seem believable and natural. The easiest way to do that is by just limiting our colors. Thanks for watching and contributing. Cheers!
When I started out trying oils in high school we were only permitted extremely limited palettes, and though it's been well over 20 years now, I still remember how absolutely liberating it felt to not have to sit and ponder all the different paints. We got to use a white, a black, and one color that got switched out each week, and then slowly through the semester had up to two more colors added in, and it was an excellent way to learn temperatures and color theory without getting too much to think about all at once. The final five paints we had were titanium white, ivory black, yellow ochre, burnt sienna, and ultramarine blue, which I think most art students would recognize as an incredibly standard earth toned palette. Nowadays, I am much more a water color enthusiast, yet my standard limited palette to shove in my pencil case still consists of a yellow ochre, a burnt sienna, an ultramarine blue and a payne's gray (an excellent alternative to black when it comes to water colors).
Have you tried the super limited palette of burnt sienna and payne's gray in watercolors? It's a treat! Your video makes me want to dig out my paints and give some studies a go. Thank you for boosting inspiration!
Awesome! Thank you for sharing. Sounds like you had a very good high school art class. I have used Burnt Sienna and Payne's Grey for watercolor and for gouache. And you are so right, it is just a simple and lovely combo. Those two colors always remind me of a good Andy Wyeth winter landscape study. Beautiful! Recently, I have been caught up with the Velázquez Palette. Anyway.... GET THOSE PAINTS OUT and get to painting! :) Scratch that itch... you will be so happy that you did. If you want, send me a pic of your new paintings and we will chat it up.
Thanks again for the kind words. I appreciate your time. Cheers!
As a red-green colorblind painter, limited palettes are super helpful for keeping track of what I’ve used and preventing introduction of unintentional hues.
Excellent! Organizing limited palettes by analogous values (light to dark) is also very helpful. Thank you for sharing and I appreciate your time and comment. Happy painting!
so good! the color grid was especially helpful. i screenshot it to refer back to when i’m painting
That's great! Awesome! Thanks, Aiden. But no more secrets for you... you will be a better than me in no time. :)
Yup, the grid was so useful. I am studying it to see all the possibilities and pin down those mixtures I really need to practise - that's the cooler end.
@@citadelofwinds1564 Excellent! Glad it was helpful. Best of luck!
“Super-limited in range of blues” is quite understated
So true... it is like a whisper of a blue. Thanks for watching!
Why did I use the Zorn palette? Because I lived in the 1600s when a nice economic blue was tough to find. Thanks to time travel, I now have Prussian blue. When I need it, I will use it.
Seriously, my takeaway is that 4 colors can produce timeless museum masterpieces. I am using far too many colors for far too many silly reasons!
Thank you for this awesome video! This was hugely entertaining and profoundly helpful!
Absolutely! Welcome back time-traveller. :) Thank you so much for the kind words. I am so glad you enjoyed the video. I appreciate your time. Cheers!
I started experimenting with Zorn palette some time ago, in watercolour. drawing flowers. So very much interesting to work. But used paynes gray, just because I love it.
Thanks for your comment and your note. And you are so right, Payne's Grey is a wonderful substitution for the limitations of Ivory Black in watercolor. I would highly recommend trying the Velázquez palette in watercolor if you haven't yet. It is by far my favorite limited palette for still lifes and portraits. Thanks again. Cheers!
Lucien and Jenny were my art school heroes. I saw one of Jenny’s shows in DC… it was breathtaking. A huge moment in my life. Great video!
So cool! Me too... I was obsessed with their work... still am. :) That exhibition sounds amazing! I am so jealous. Thanks for sharing and leaving a comment. I am so glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
if my oil paints looked like yours stored away i would cry myself to sleep every night!
When I was learning painting (a very long time ago, so I don't remember if it was my watercolor tutor in high school, or my painting instructor in college), I had a teacher who told us the only colors we would need were Yeloww Ochre, Rose Madder, Burnt Sienna, White, Thalo Blue and Payne's Gray.
Excellent! Well that was some good advice. What a lovely and wide ranging color combination. That color palette really starts to expand on the limitations of the Zorn while still being somewhat limited itself. Throw in a Lemon or Hanza Yellow and you could really mix just about anything. Thanks for watching and contributing. Happy painting!
I did have lemon yellow on palette, but I couldn't remember whether I added it or not - so interesting you mentioned that color.@@michaeljohnnolan
@@dan13ljks0n Lemon yellow is a nice mixing greenish yellow... and it is the perfect companion for Yellow Ochre. Sounds like you had a good painting teacher. Thanks again for sharing.
Excellent video Michael! You do a wonderful job explaining everything from the color, history and process. 👏👏👏
I'm so glad you liked it! Thank you so much for those amazingly kind words. You are the best! I am humbled by you.
I'm using gouache and digital art, and I have two thoughts from the Zorn palette:
1. The Zorn palette made me think of condiments. Titanium white is the mayonnaise, yellow ochre is the mustard, cad red is the ketchup, and ivory black is the Worcestershire sauce.
2. Is it still considered a Zorn palette if I tweak the colors such as switching yellow ochre to a brighter yellow like lemon yellow, from cadmium red to the pyrrol red for cadmium red, and splitting the black into a dark blue like ultramarine or Prussian blue and dark brown like burnt sienna or burnt umber?
I look forward to trying this palette as I can use all the help with color mixing there is. Thank you!
That is excellent news. It really helped me see subtle variations in colors. Remember, avoid using too much white in your mixtures. The more white you use, the more you will further desaturate the subtle colors making the combinations very muddy and chalky. Best of luck. Cheers!
@@michaeljohnnolan I so appreciate your advice especially about using too much white. That's what I've been doing. I will let you know how I do. Thank you again.
@@divadoll55 Not to worry, we all do that when we start with this palette. Excellent! Happy painting.
@@michaeljohnnolan Thank you!
Hermes saying "toodles" sent me into outer space 😭 Kickass video as always. I love how cinematic your intros are, they're always so pleasant to watch.
Awesome! Thank you! Haha. I am so glad you enjoyed the video. Slowly I am making Hermes meaner and meaner every video... "toodles" helps soften him. :) Hope you are having a nice summer.
that was an incredibly articulate, entertaining and educational video!
Excellent! I am so glad you enjoyed the video. Thank you for leaving such an incredibly kind note. I am humbled. Appreciate you!
So great! Thank you. This was fun! I like that pearl of “a bad day of painting is still a good day.” 🙏❤️
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much watching and for the super sweet comment. Thank you again! Happy painting!
I paint portraits with the Zorn. The skin color looks great.
Very cool! You are so right, the Zorn palette is wonderful for painting flesh. Thanks for watching and for sharing. Take care!
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I had crafted a lengthy commentary about my newfound fascination with Zorn.
Right as I was reveling in the enchanting ambiance of your latest Zorn video release,
a cruel twist of fate wiped away my words.
In a nutshell, your prowess is truly astonishing.
The impact of your creations, coupled with the act of sharing them, elevates my existence.
Gratitude pours forth, and I beseech you to continue kindling this transformative journey.
Thank you immensely, and please, may your creative wellspring never cease to flow!
(Lol I think chatgpt helped me to much. yet, I hope you understand the meaning :)
Love from Israel
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ChapGPT or not... I am humbled. Truly humbled. Haha... you are the best. Thank you for taking the time. I am so overjoyed you liked the video. I was going to have chatgpt write back a response, but I had trouble deciding on the style, and then I had to look up half of the words it used. :) Oh well...
Anyway, thank you so much! You have made my day. Long live ZORN!!!! Thanks again.
Take care!
i cant express how much this video has helped me. thank you so much for this!
I'm so glad!!! Thank you for taking the time letting me know. Made my day. Thank you so much and thank you for watching. Cheers!
While I am a complete amateur when it comes to painting, this video was really inspiring to me! I love mixing colours in watercolour, but I typically paint landscapes, so this set of colours is WAY out of my comfort zone. I will have to pull out a few pans of watercolour today to try this out in my sketchbook!
Thanks for such an inspiring video!
Wonderful! I am so glad you enjoyed the video and that it helped you with your painting journey. Sounds terrific! Good luck with the new Zorn palette paintings. Thank you for the kind comments and thanks for watching. Cheers!
What a wonderful video,,by chance It came ,,,I'm absolutely going to try this ,,,all the best and keep on shining 🌟🙏
Awesome! I am so glad you liked the video. Thank you so much for the super kind note. Cheers!
This was very interesting and informative. Can you a video on even a MORE limited pallet? The black-white-and-red pallet of the early illustratrations used for early magazine covers, such as Leyendecker and Norman Rockwell. The red was used so effectively to make skin tones, browns, and pops of color, that you would THINK you were looking at a full-color painting.
I am so glad you liked the video. Thank you for watching and leaving such a nice note. That is a great idea. Thank you again. Leyendecker is my painting hero! I will try to get that one done before the end of the year. Thanks again. Cheers!
I really needed this today!❤🙌🏼. Thanks for sharing.
Jen!!!! So glad you enjoyed it! Miss you!
This video is so well produced. I love that you have footage of mixing colors and charts showing mixed swatches. I'd love to see feature videos of more palettes, or even videos of similar palettes introduced near the start of this video. Keep up the awesome work. I hope this channel grows quickly!
Awesome! I am so glad you enjoyed the video and it was able to help. I appreciate the input. I will be creating a whole color palette and theory series this year. I appreciate your kindness. Thanks for watching and commenting. Cheers!
The Zorn palette is actually a muted RBY primary colour palette. The white is useful only for those who work with oils, acrylics and gouache.
If you replace the Ivory Black with any chromatic mix of black, like a mix of Red and Green, or Magenta with Green, that both mixes neutralize each other and give black you can easily have the range of dark muted blues that you can't get from the single pigmented Ivory black.
totally infravalorated, great editing, great painting and great explanation!!
Much appreciated! I am so glad you liked the video. Thank you for watching and taking the time for the kind comment. Cheers!
Wonderful video. I love the little tidbits of humor, like the paintings winking. It keeps everything fresh and continually informative! I learned quite a lot, thanks!!!!
So glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate your super kind note. Thanks for watching!
My favorite palette, thank you Michael (:
Thank you, Matt! It is my favorite palette too. You have good taste. :)
Video very well done ! thanks for publishing
Glad you liked it! Thank you for watching and taking the time to let me know. You made my night.
That was an awesome video! Great explanation, excellent production value, and humor as well. Nicely done!
So glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for the kind comment. I really appreciate it. By the way, great painting yourself. I just checked out your channel. Cheers to you!
Thanks, very interesting. I never saw ivory black as a dark blue for instance.
Wonderful. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. It changed my awareness and with it my painting for sure when I finally saw it too. Cheers!
The best video for Zorn palette. Thank you 😊
Yay! Thank you! I am so glad you liked the video. Thanks for the comment and for watching!
Great production value! Thoughtful explanations.
Glad you enjoyed it! I appreciate you watching. Thank you for taking the time to leave such a kind comment. Thank you! Cheers!
this video is amazing- thank you for sharing
Awesome!!!! Thank you so much for your kindness. I am so glad you enjoyed the video. Cheers!
You packed so much information in here, that I just subscribed so I can get more. Very entertaining and interesting. Thanks!
Wonderful! I am overjoyed you liked the video. Thanks for watching, leaving a super kind note, and for the sub. Cheers!
Excellent!!! I can't wait to give it a try!!!
Hope you enjoy! Thanks for watching. Cheers!
What an amazing video! Love the style :) So glad I found your channel. I’ve now subscribed so will check out your other vids!
Thank you so much!! I am so glad you liked the video. I appreciate your sub. Hope you enjoy the other ones. Cheers!
Thank you for the awesome explanation.
Excellent! I am so happy it helped. Thank you for watching and for leaving the kind note. Cheers!
FANTASTIC video!! Thank you!! The material discussed? Beyond fascinating. I also can’t believe how amazing the video editing/design is!!!! One of my favorite styles in video compilation, alone. (Especially for a video that’s not actually done by the folks publishing video tutorials on how to make films. Not a comparison. Those guys just are expected to corner the market on quality compilation). Part of that appreciation, admittedly, is how the jokes completely hit my kind of sense of humor. But mostly just because it was great. Thank you!! So so so well done. Beautiful ❤❤❤
And Skully is breathtaking ❤
Thank you so so so so much! Your comments made my day. I really appreciate all your kind words, but especially your compliments on the editing. Wow! Editing these videos takes forever. But is so much fun and always a cool learning experience though. I had never done any video editing until starting this channel. Anyway, I am so glad you find the videos entertaining and helpful. Thanks again for your kindness. Cheers to you!
Skully says hi!
@@michaeljohnnolan naw man, you are tied for top place, between you and only one other video creator, in my view. And the other creator is a huge series that’s subject IS film creation. If you’re just learning to edit videos and compile stories into video?, I am so excited to see where this goes!!
The only thing that threw me at first was all the winking, but it was such a constant theme that I was snort laughing by the end. It very much flavors like “Tom Goes to the Mayor.” (If you haven’t seen it, it’s the Zorn palette of cartoons. Minimal ingredients and such a flavorful dish.”)
And that’s not even talking about the content! The content? It burned a lesson into my brain I can’t wait to try! Your photographer’s eye, all of it. Just makes me want to yammer far too long in a space designed for short sentences. But yeah, you need to know you’re awesome and your work is SO very much appreciated!!!
(And hi Skully 👋😊) looking forward to watching the next Zorn video tonight :)
Holy cow you used my favorite artists as examples of similar pallets.
Awesome! They are the best. I completely agree. Thanks for watching!
I just came across you on Facebook and I really like your teaching. I look forward to watching more sessions. Thank you.
I'm sorry it is on RUclips
Thank you so much! I am overjoyed you liked the video and hope it helped. I am doing my best to crank out sessions faster. Next video should be out in a week or so. Thanks again.
This is great video! really educational and entertaining. It makes me want to try using the Zorn palette in my own work
Thank you so much for leaving this super nice comment. Made my day. I am so glad you liked the video. The Zorn palette is super fun to use. I highly recommend trying it. Thank again. Cheers!
zorn pallete is the best demonstration on how we actually perceive color.... thing will look more red if you surround it with green, even if you dont use red.. that is pretty much the major thing i learn from painting landscape... everything is a shade of brown..
Well said! Absolutely! The Zorn palette is one of the best tools to force that awareness. Once you see it, you can never unsee it. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching. Cheers!
Really enjoyed the extra palette history in addition to Zorn’s. Also of course LOVED the landscape sketchbook flip through!!!!
Yay, thank you! I should've "borrowed" your landscapes for the video. You are a very good painter. Glad you enjoyed the video. ZORN4EVA!
Brilliant explanation
I am so glad you liked the video. Thank you so much for taking the time and for the super kind comment. Cheers!
Great explanation , thank you
Awesome, glad it was helpful! Thank you so much for watching and thank you for kind words. Cheers!
Excellent video! Thank you!
Glad you liked it! Thank you for the watch and for the kind comment. Cheers!
Thanks. Loved that video
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you so much for the kind comment. Cheers!
I've recently started using the zorn palette, since I'm new to oil painting. The mistake that I keep on making is that I'm not using the black as a blue. I know it's meant to be a blue, but when it comes time to mix color, I just use the black to darken the other colors.
Thanks for watching and the comment. Absolutely, we all have done that. The nice thing about the Zorn is that Ivory Black is both the blue cooler hue and it is also the darkening value. Outside of the Zorn palette, for more natural colors, try to darken or neutralize a color with the opposite complement color. Good luck on your painting. Cheers!
excellent Video, love it, i am a new sub, so glad i ran into your channel! i been painting for years but learning new things, keeps things fresh! one can never! Stop learning!
Awesome, thank you! I appreciate you watching, subscribing, and for the great note. Well said! There is always something new to learn and create. Cheers!
Great stuff.
Thanks! I am so glad you liked the video. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
Such a useful video 🙏
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching and for leaving a note! :)
Good morning Michael🤓
Good morning, Robin! An early start for both of us. :)
hello sir nice content which pastel are you refering soft pastel or oil pastel?
Thank you, Kenneth. I am glad you liked the video. I was mainly referring to oil pastels. Thanks for the question.
welcome i also use zorn palette on acrylic
@@kennethaquino8352 Excellent! As do I. It is such a versatile palette. What kind of subjects do you like to paint?
@@michaeljohnnolan mostly portrait sir iam from Phillippines
@@kennethaquino8352 Excellent, Kenneth! From the Philippines, awesome! Portrait painting is some true painting right there. The Zorn palette is perfect for portraits. Thank you again. Cheers!
That was great..thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching and leaving a note. Cheers!
Zerking off to zorn again I see
That was informative AND fun.
Excellent! I am so glad. Thank you for watching and taking the time to leave such a kind note.
Thinking it was a witty analysis of John Zorn compositional techniques...
Thank you
Thank you!
Awesome as always. I've been meaning to paint that skull and candle ever since I got the reference from the class. Might actually get around to it this week.
Please do! That would be just too cool. Thanks again! It was great to meet you and work with you the other week.
Pyrrole red also works as a substitute
It sure does. Thanks for the suggestion. Cheers!
Use this in the spirit of zorn
Add colors you need for a specific area
Excellent! That's how I typically start a palette. Start with a Zorn palette and then add the colors that I need to complete the painting. Thanks for watching!
@@michaeljohnnolan thanks
It's also easier to remix and find the exact colour again using a limited palette like the Zorn.
Well said. Absolutely! Thanks for watching and for the note.
Спасибо, очень наглядно и понятно.
Excellent! I am so glad you liked the video. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I think you're paintings are much better than Freud's.
Wow! Thank you. You are beyond kind. Freud is one of my artistic heroes. Thank you for watching and for the kind note. Cheers!
The more I think about it...the more rock'n'roll Zorn gets...
Nice! Anders was definitely the Meat Loaf of painting!
Yes he was, is and will stay rock’n’roll! I’m glad you like him! I wish I could time travel and go back to the days when he was still teaching at the local school he and Emma built up a 120 years ago…
@@krang-malinkarlsson8642 I'm in!
I am sort of curious if there are any popular limited palettes for landscape painting?
Or more generally what sort of palette Zorn used for the their landscapes?
Great question! Zorn is very limiting for landscapes. Thus, most artists will replace modern Ivory black with Payne's Grey for more range... basically Ultramarine Blue + Ivory Black. But Andy Wyeth made a career of Zorn pallete looking landscapes. Anyway, the Velázquez palette I mentioned in the video is wonderful for limited palette landscapes no matter what medium. It swaps out Ivory black for Ultramarine Blue and Vermillion for Burnt Sienna, in addition to using Yellow Ochre. It all depends on the region and might be too limiting for areas that are super green. However, living in the desert, it works perfectly fine.
Hope that helps. Thanks for watching!
@@michaeljohnnolan I live in a dessert-adjacent region, It can get suprisingly green in spring, and sometimes even in summer, But it is a pretty red dominated landscape.
But generally mars red or Burnt Umber make the dirt and hills there, and it ends up being about a perfect match.
Since it's pretty iron rich dirt and both of those pigments are at least partially iron oxide based.
I kind of inherited my currrent oil paints. So most of my zorn painting has been digital. Since I don't have cadmium red. I have all the others in the zorn palette, so I did try doing all the others like zorns but with mars red for my red instead.
My first zorn-inspired palette I did physically was Ivory Black, Titanium white, Yellow Ochre, and Burnt Umber. Which is actually pretty decent for dessert landscapes at night. And made a couple decent portraits. It can't really make the "rosy" skin tones very well though.
It can make a pretty nice looking tan, And it's a breeze to get generally nice skin tones though and to control the value with.
Once I switched to a more intense red, it was a bit harder to keep the value where I wanted it to be.
I also have tried a 5 color palette, without a dedicated black and it works pretty well for landscapes.
Yellow Ochre,
Prussian Blue,
Either Phthalo green or sap green,
Burnt Umber,
and Titanium White.
And I use Umber + Prussian for my blacks and grays.
Occasionally I have tried adding 1 extra color based on the piece. Usually either another more intense yellow-green I forget the name of. That lets me make my greens more vibrant in the middle of the day.
Or I sometimes will use both cerulean blue and Prussian So I have both a cyan blue and a real dark, violet leaning blue.
Which can look really good for sunsets.
Since then I can tint all my greens more towards yellow or blue to give them further contrast. (But be less intense as a green.)
I am thinking of buying a cobalt blue for a cyan once my existing cyan Cerulean blue runs out, Since I did some research and learned most Cerulean blue isn't actually a cyan pigment but rather pthalo blue mixed with something else. Which at that point you might as well start with pthalo blue.
Although some did have a cyan pigment.
Cobalt is more intense Cyan and a slightly different hue, and actually not crazy expensive. (Not cheap either though.)
At some point I might try getting a more intense yellow like a lemon yellow, and using it in say a sunset or other very sunny scene to really make it pop more than I can with the yellow ochre.
Although, yellow ochre can make a pretty good looking sun.
But I probably wouldn't use that for a portrait, Since usually people don't have much green on them. (Unless maybe I was making it stylized or like they were illuminated by green light or something?)
I did some more reading, and apparently based on the intensity of the colors, and tinting strength of available pigements, that cyan, magenta, and yellow pigments actually give the widest range of possible colors. In tints and in shades.
Particularly with lighter colors. And it's tints.
Although, a red, blue, yellow setup is fairly close but not as much.
And that a direct green doesn't have quite as strong pigments overall.
Although, RGB is great for lighting and monitors.
Having a direct green pigment does make them more vibrant.
Although some painters actually argue that's a bad thing. Gourney in their "color and light" book. mentioned that green was often viewed as a problem, and that historically paintings with too much green, or too intense greens tended to sell badly. And so a large portion of landscapes often actually understate how green spring and summer scenes often actually are. And part of why fall and winter are such popular seasons for landscapes.
I haven't verified those claims though.
But still a lot of the most vibrant greens either lean pretty strongly towards Cyan or Yellow.
And if you have a strong enough yellow and Cyan you can often actually make more vibrant greens than using most mid-hue green pigments.
(Although using a full blue like Pthalo, Prussian, ultramarine won't. The more the blue leans violet the less vibrant greens it makes. But the better it is at making purple and the better it looks with reds usually.)
If a blue leans violet enough and the red leans violet enough, then with just a bit of white you can get a decently rich purple/violet.
Otherwise you tend to get nice greys, which are useful if your painting isn't going to have purple.
Longer term, I am thinking I might try to eventually move to like a 7-8 color palette.
So I get one great pigment in each major hue spot Plus white and maybe black.
But, I don't need to go that far for a bit, and if I am just doing landscapes and portraits I shouldn't need a strong purple for awhile.
Although mars red is actually more violet than Cadmium red by a significant margin, Or Alizarian Crimson(Which doesn't last that well.), It's not as intense as Cadium But it is more than Crimson, It doesn't seem to be super popular though despite being fairly cheap. not sure how much by.
But if you have it you can actually match a burnt umber shade by adding a bit of black, and depending on the brand some times a tiny bit of yellow ochre.
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Thank you so very much! New video coming out in a few weeks. Biggest one yet. Thanks again!
Diego Velazquez use 3 blues too, lead white its banned in EU btw.
Excellent! I wasn't familiar with that. Which blues? I really love his work! Anyway, lead white is super hard to get in the States too. Only a handful of companies make it. Thanks for watching and for the comment!
@@michaeljohnnolan Azurita and Esmalte azul, no idea about how its called in english im from Spain.
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Excellent! Thank you so much. I appreciate it. And thanks for watching!
Could you please make an art studio tour video?
Awesome! That is a great idea. Thank you. I would be happy to do that. It is on the schedule. Thanks for watching!!!
Ditto!
@@comunidadbitcoin2050 Nice! Thanks. Will do! :)
@@michaeljohnnolanawesome! I'm looking foreward to seeing that.
@@chercurry Very cool!
Can I be sent this set along with cad lemon, magenta, and ultramarine blue?
A Zorn palette with the additions of these colors creates a very earthy-intense dual primary palette. Sounds like fun to me. Happy painting. Thanks for watching!
@@michaeljohnnolan but can I be sent these
Ya know a manufacturer who will donate
The problem with Zorn is that Ivory black has none of the blueness that the actual pigment (made of charred Ivory) used to have. It is just carbon black in a different tube. All the colors have changed over the years.
To make maters worse, while the Zorn palette has gained in popularity on RUclips, I once contacted a very experienced paint tech, at one of the top companies, and asked him which colors he recommended for the Zorn palette. He had never heard of it. So were aren't going to get much support from the paint companies. The first company that cracks the code, will probably gain a lot of support.
Great info. Thank you for sharing. You are so right... I should've made mention of the modern "Ivory" Black, but I thought the video was long enough. That is so wild about the paint tech not knowing about the Zorn palette. Looks like we are on our own.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Appreciate you!
Studio tour? 🫣🤔
Haha! Should I...? Is that a yes? Okay, I will! :)
@@michaeljohnnolan yay!
It doesn´t matter what or how many colors you have on your palette. Either you have the color vision in your eyes and the technique, or not.
Nice video.
The problem with the Zorn, is that none of the colours are available today;
OK, you can get yellow Ochre (YO), but given that there are a wide rang of different YO pigments, and that despite the online popularity of Zorn, few if any paint companies make a Zorn palette kit, I wouldn't hold my breath that they have the right YO. I called one of the top two Acrylic painting companie's paint tech, and he hadn't even heard of it!
Vermilion. Maybe, but the original was fugitive, and is largely not available. The most Commonly recommended, Cadmium Red Light, is both highly toxic, expensive, and not really close.
White. Here we fall off a cliff. Ti White, is nothing like lead white, not just in one respect, but a whole range of differences.
Worst of all Ivory Black (the blacks are all the same really), has no blue whatever in it, it just a different labeling of Lamp Black. The blue is not subtle, it is non-existent. Apparently there was a blue tinge to Ivory, but notwithstanding are the huge piles of charred Ivory we regularly create these days, there is not way we can use any byproduct of elephant poaching.
The "Zorn" palette is none the less a very popular tool, and should possibly be the first palette one tries when one exhaust the black white palette.
Thank you so much. I'm glad you liked the video. Also, I appreciate your thoughtful and informative comment. It would be amazing if an established paint company tried to make an authentic Zorn palette set. A huge miss. And you are 100% right. In just my short experience dealing with pigments for the last few decades, oil colors have change so much over that time. Yellow Ochre is all over the place with so many variations. It would be super nice to know which one Zorn ACTUALLY used. I've read too many different assumptions. In regards to Vermilion, I did not know that. I had no idea that the original Vermilion was more fugitive. That would've been nice to experience. Totally, modern Ivory Black is so different than that of the Grumbacher oil tubes I have that look like they date back to the 70's. They might actually be from the 80's, hard to tell. As for the lack of blue in modern Ivory black, Payne's Grey is always recommended as an alternative...BUT the modern mixture with Ultramarine Blue is way too strong and Payne's Grey doesn't even get close to making a true dark.
Thanks again! It was great getting to read your thoughts. Cheers!
Hi, I'm just adding some facts about the pigments. Anders Zorn used pigments from Winsor & Newton, Schmincke and LeFranc Paris, canvas from Swedish brand Becker (still live n' kicking), local pigments and solvents/mediums in Europe. As any other artist he tested, added and used new synthetic colours at the time. He used Gamboge (the real stuff not the synthetic New Gamboge we use today), Prussian Blue, Lamp Black, Chinese White and Brown Pink. All these colours was in his palette - they are displayed in the exhibition at the Zorn Museum in Mora, Sweden. I know that at least one manufacturer (Royal Talens, NL) keep records of how, when and who made specific colours since 1899 when it was founded. with their archives art restorer can get the actual reciepe for a colour to touch up old paintings.
When some of Zorn's paintings were under a microscope prior the exhibition, they found these layers from the painting with Zorn in his red suite:
1. Lead white with chalk,
2. Beige paint (lead white and zinc white and alumino silicates),
3. Viridian and lead white,
4. Reddish-brown paint layer - Vermillion, bone black, lead white, earth pigments and alumino silicates.
Well... I'm off to see the exhibition one more time before they take it down. /Malin
@@krang-malinkarlsson8642 Malin! Thank you for adding. Wow! That is just too cool. I am so jealous... go see that exhibition another time for me, as well. I read he had also used Gamboge, Prussian Blue and Viridian, but I did not know about the other colors. You can totally make out that little stroke of Viridian gently scrubbed in his tie in his self-portrait with the rust orange jacket.
Anyway, thank you again for contributing. I appreciate you taking the time to share and comment. I just learned so much from you and Hondo. Cheers!
@@michaeljohnnolan I'll have you in mind when I'm off to the museum. I only live 4 km (2.5 miles) away and literally grew up with his legacy in my hometown. I can share one cool thing about the way he painted portraits, especially a full size of the late Swedish king Gustav V. No matter where you stand in the exhibition hall where it hangs the gaze of the king always follows you around... as if a revolving sculpture, never taking the eyes off of you. A bit creepy but still sooo cool! Link below to the painting.
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Anders_Zorn_-_Gustav_V.jpg#/media/Fil:Anders_Zorn_-_Gustav_V.jpg
@@krang-malinkarlsson8642 Thanks for the link. That is one of my favorites too. Now that I think of it... I have only seen a few Zorn works in person. They have such a power and vitality to them. Honestly, they pulse from the wall. I appreciate your passion. Enjoy the show. Cheers!
Zorn palette isofficially the polygnotian palette, or polygnotian climax...Ancient greek and greek orthodox painting is basically polygnotian.
Excellent! I did not know that. Polygnotus was definitely painting well before Apelles. And I was not that familiar with his palette. Appreciate the input. Thanks for watching!
*the classic academic palet
does this apply to painting other skin types besides Caucasian?
Hello! Absolutely! The Zorn palette can match any and all skin types. However, the most important aspect of a skin type is the color of the light illuminating it. The Zorn is very limited to a warmer amber light.
Hope that helps. Happy painting! :)
@@michaeljohnnolan Thank you so much!!!
"light is color!"
can anyone point me to how the grid @ 07:49 is made please?
art like golf like boating like horse racing, polo, is a rich persons sport. Pencil is all that is left and that is why pencil and paper and watercolor will always be king. Simple. Cheap. No mess no fuss.
Oil painting is definitely a luxury and the materials can get super expensive. While pencils and watercolor can create epic beauty, nothing comes close to the power and illumination of oil paint to capture a concept. It is by far worth the extra cost and effort in exchange for the added potential and possibilities. Come to the dark side with us. :)
@@michaeljohnnolan hahaha im trying but the force is not strong with me lol
If the best time to use this palette is when the colors you are painting are all contained within this palette... isn't that just basic color matching skills?
Thanks for the comment. That is true. But I would argue that "basic color matching" is not so basic and needs to be refined through deliberate limitation, awareness, and practice. Getting to know individual colors and color relationships is so overwhelming for the beginner especially if they are not paying attention to naturalist color harmonies derived by light. The Zorn palette limits the colors so much that it forces the artist to intentionally create and more importantly to be intentionally aware of what they are really seeing. Again, through what they are not able to create.
Thanks for watching. Cheers!
Nonono……that color palette was even used by the Fayum mummy portrait painters in the FIRST century.
Nice! I did not know that. Thanks for watching.
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While i agree with most of what you say, i would disagree with what you are saying in regards to ivory black being a blue. Its not, its actually quite warm. Titanium white is just extremely cool. This is very important when painting, as not veing aware of titanium’s cold nature leads to killing warmth in your lighter values.
I thought that was interesting to but it seems like with the zorn pallet thats as close to blue as you can get with it. Its not a true blue. Thats what all videos have basically said about the pallet. Its weird but i also get it.
@@codyhughes1147 Sorry for not being clear, what i meant was that ivory black is a warm colour and it is the titanium white that leads to the closest you get to a blue. My disagreement was over the role ivory black plays, not the blueness of the coldest hue :)
@@WhereHeInsertedTheBladee i hear ya. I figured it was a by comparison thing. Like its not cool or blue but its the closest to it in comparison i guess? Yeah...oil and color tech. Its fascinating. Im about to play with the pallet. I always thought it had ultramarine in it instead of black, which i played with last night. Going to replace with the ivory black and experiment now.
@@codyhughes1147 it really is a great palette. I do not like painting with cadmium, so i use napthol instead. It is not that different, and the fundemental principle is there. I think that is the beautiful thing about the palette, just the concept of the simplicity and the dynamics between colours. I now want to try the ultramarine in my palette, that sounds awesome.
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Thanks for watching!
He accidentally recreated a Rothko 8:55
Nice! I love that. "Accidental Rothko" is a great band name.
Ivory black is burnt umner + ultramarine blue , nad when you mix it it can looks like dark brown or more blushe and stronder. BUT iVORY BLck hVE THt colours one oges in wRM ORANGES BURNT UMBRA TILL ULTRA MARINE BLUE goes to coldest.... I just ask myself wat i see on photography , is this red, green ,blue aka RGB and Mark Caeder learn me about most imortant things, ton and color to 100 percent sea and mix it in minute then aply with no blending, John Sargent reralistic painting with abstract bruseh strokes, this chanela is good, you know to create contnet and montage that im not, thats thaking sucha TIME energy and i better drawung , painting and take look like just, also like Tishler to look. Alapay Efe , this one chanel, and yes man learning till death, there is no sucha thing like im best master on world just qualty art and adivice and trash art that advice i dont need. I know to mix turkoise blue and red ochre, indian zellow, only yello ,red transparent oxide and flake white i cant. Sorry for Eng.
Thank you for the comment and kind words. I'm not sure if I understand everything you were referring to but those color combinations are very good. And you can never go wrong with Sargent's work. Thanks again for taking the time. Cheers!
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A word about pronunciation.
If it matters to you, in Italian,the name Caravaggio is pronounced
Cara-VAH- joe
The letter i is not pronounced.
Great to know! Thank you for taking the time. I guess my Arizona accent wants to pronounce all the letters. Appreciate it.
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