Nigel Farage: 'Belgium is not a nation'
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- Опубликовано: 2 май 2018
- Nigel Farage, former Ukip leader, tells the European parliament that 'Belgium is not a nation, it's an artificial construct' in response to a speech championing the European project by the prime minister of Belgium, Charles Michel. In response, Michel told MEPs: 'Britain took his advice, and look how well that is going'
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Belgium - "a country invented by the British to annoy the French" Charles de Gaulle.
Leopold I was an English widower of the British princess Mathilda wasn't he???
@Monique Van Hooreweder - he was a German prince (a Coburg, uncle of Queen Victoria) who was the widower of Princess Charlotte who was the heir to the British throne but who died in childbirth. The next in line turned out to be young princess Victoria who would become queen years later.
@@moniquevanhooreweder6456 the monarchies are in a world of their own. They do not care a fig peoples worries.
Well without the French Belgium wouldn't have been there at all.
Belgium is not a "nation" except in the very loosest sense of the term, i.e. if we make it synonymous with "state", in which case the word nation itself becomes redundant.
Belgium is a construct of two distinct nations into one state.
Farage is right and the guardian by attempting ro take him out of context to male him look foolosh just shows its own ignorance.
As usual.
"Belgium is not a nation, its an artificial creation"
Hey, that rhymes!
It sounds like a rap
Krusty Krabs is unfair
Mr. Krabs is in there
Standing at the concession
Planning his oppression!
All 'ion" words rhyme. That's the easiest rhyme scheme in the English language
All nations are artificial creations. There are no nations in the natural world.
@@andreperusso China
Two halves of the country that dislike each other intensely? Sounds familiar
I wonder who
*Bagpipes Play in the background*
Korea?
Remembers Scotland in the back of his head
Flanders and Wallonia dosen't hate each other. They have a goverment, a royal family, a captial and some common cultures. So what's the problem with division of regions? I can tell you that here in Denmark we are also divided in regions with different accents.
@@davidcozmostendevadkjr8954 its just u have no mational identity, no core values u arent really a country
Isn’t the UK an artificial construction? _Four_ separate parts that speak different languages and intensely dislike each other.
Speakn diffrent languages. What are you chatting?
Not really intense is it. It's not like if you go to a different part of UK u are treated any differently. It's more friendly competition in sports and the like. Like idk which you are from but whenever I've been to another part of the UK ive never experienced "hatred" towards me. Some light piss taking at most
@Conor Quinn wasnt disagreeing with that, I don't like or agree with farrage, just disagreeing with this man. Fair enough if you don't like UK
Yes but not artificial.
@@ghostlierExpert And you don't like Farage because???
"Belgium is a not a nation its an artificial creation"
Thats a hard bar ngl
I live in Belgium and he's right.
Freedom for Flanders ASAP!
Free the North!
@@sifuhotman1300or reunification with the Netherlands which is what should happen. The Luxembourg region of Belgium should reunite with the country of Luxembourg and then the rest of Walloonia can either Dutchify or join the French.
Yeah, its amazing that someone from the UK doesnt see how hypocritical that is.
@@Calle28 It isn't
At least Belgium has one football team rather than having 4
Because they are aware UNITED Kingdom is a union of 4 nations
geminix365 I know, I only mentioned it because that is exactly what he criticised Belgium for
Well said!!
🤣
@@jmasters7515 but Belgium pretends to be a nation...
Doesn't he realise that every nation is an artificial construct?
Please explain your insanity.
@@wanderer1955 nations were created in the late 18th and 19th century. Before that we can't really talk of nations.
@@Loostyc There was empires though, which all the nations were made from. The heritage of the people is still there, it's just a different name. Doesn't mean you shouldn't have any pride in your country. Nations have existed far before the 18th century too, so that's totally wrong.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 People in these empires didn't have national consciouscness though. Nations did appear in the modern era. National groups of people existed long before but they are something entirely different.
A nation exists wherever a people does. England, as the name suggests, is the land of the Anglo-Saxons. It has existed for as long as our people have. There is no Belgian people.
Let's ask Ireland and Scotland about how natural the UK is
Ireland isn't part of the UK and Scotland voluntarily signed the 1707 Act of Union. In fact, Scotland wanted it even more than we did because they bankrupted themselves with failed colonial expeditions.
We've been unified for over 300 years, and before that we shared a monarch. England and Scotland have fought countless wars together and built the biggest Empire the world has ever seen together.
Today, we share a language, a culture and Lowland Scots and English people are genetically identical. Also, most Scots want to remain part of the UK. The only Scots who want to leave the UK are Leftists - and the only reason they want to leave the UK is so they can join the EU. The SNP is not a nationalist party at all, it's a far-left socialist party. Real Patriotic Scots, Scots who are actual Nationalists, want to remain part of the UK.
The UK is an artificial creation.
@@Dushmann_this
@@Dushmann_ absolutely
@@Dushmann_ Biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard. You, sir, are a fantasist.
Despite the irony, he is right.
Belgium is basically country which used to be part of the Netherlands, half of it speaks French and was created by the British as a "buffer state" between France and Prussia/Germany. And it was really a buffer state, Germany went through Belgium every time they wanted to invade France.
The word "Belgium" comes from a Roman province named after the people who inhabited that region. It has the same etymology as the Dutch word "verbolgen," which can be translated to "angry." Yeah, the Belgians are quite angry at each other. :)
" let me tell you about your country"
Lol stupid anglo
Surely it was named of the 'celtic' Belgia tribe that originate from there (and populated southern england in the 1000c BC
I'm afraid you're quite disconnected from reality. First of all, all nations are created at some point, and eventually disappear at another. Belgium was created in 1830, almost 200 years ago, far more than most nations in the world. No country has ever risen from ashes from a unity that tied the people together: the unity was built through generations of people living under a stable and common banner.
Moreover, the borders of a nation were never clearly defined. But the spans are so big in comparison to human life that it is tempting to believe that "it is as it should be"
Also your vision of history is poor and so incomplete
First and foremost, within the Holy Germanic Empire (or Holy Roman Empire, in english), one must make the distinction between the "spanish netherlands" Spaanse Nederlanden/Pays-Bas espagnols, which for a while contained the netherlands, parts of actual belgium, and luxembourg (but someone you believe luxembourg is a nation, though ) and netherlands as we know it now. The capital was Brussels (so then, isn't netherlands part of old belgium according to your logic?)
They weren't united by brotherhood or an abstract ideal of nations, (most were illiterate and were just obeying their landlords), but they got united by the dinasty of Hasbourg, which federated (again, not a nation) through MARRIAGE the different provinces of the region.
During that time, pretty much all of what's above france and germany - the latter included - was a part of the Holy Germanic Empire, and there were only states, "provinces" you could say, governed by a member of the high clergy. It is the case of "Liège", one of Belgium's current french province, which for 9 centuries was apart of the HGE (netherlands didn't even exist as a nation!) before the French revolution when it became part of france. It had always spoken french as a part of the HGE for a millenia, and no one questioned it despite that?
Then, belgian revolution in 1830 in brussels, they take their independance, and, mainly due to Antwerp/Anvers and Liège/Luik it became the second nation in terms of industrial developpment during the revolution of the same name.
Belgium is as much a nation as england, france, the united states, netherlands, korea, viet-nam or kenya, and yes, like any another nation, the unity it implies is fragile and ephemerary. Don't slaughter the complexity of history with such a naïve comprehension of what a "nation" is.
Prussia was one the strongest nation of their time, and look now, would you say lituania and poland (which was split between russia, prussia and the SPANISH NETHERLANDS you were referring to are not nations? Would you say that Kaliningrad, formerly prussian, is not russian?
@@butwhoasked1821Belgium Ultranationalist moment
@@enthusiastisch1922 What a witty answer! The other guy does a historical deep dive, you come up with 30 characters. WONDER WHO IS MORE BELIEVABLE
Being a Belgian myself, Nigel Farage is saying aloud what I think but cannot say aloud without ostracism.
Are you from Wallonia or Flanders
but you are saynig this and there is no ostracism so what do u mean
@@Unity_Workhe means off line in person .
Belgium is composed of 2 nations: Dutch and French.
Nigel Farage may be right in saying that there are tensions between Wallonia and Flanders, but there are tensions everywhere. In the UK there is plenty of tension between the Scots and the English.
So there we have from Mr Faredge's own lips that he is in favour of Scottish independence, the independence of Wales & the reunification of Ireland. At last, there will be four nation states in these islands.
Never, ever thought I'd agree with this fella.
Why would you want that
Please tell me what part of that clip was the bit where he mentions Scotland Wales and Ireland.
@Conor Quinn let's hope they do.
You wern't listening. He a no point said he was 'in favour of it' he just said 'it was'.
@@terrypietru8012 Do you actually understand English?
As soon as Farage mentions ”look at the election results” the guy in the back stopped laughing😂
Now let’s look at the results lol a mess
@@JL_Lux COVID
@@JL_Lux Elaborate
Guy in the back is from Farage's own party
@@Jimmy-me3fe Welsh, then UKIP, later Brexit Party.
But Scotland can't leave its artificial creation.
They voted stay couple years ago.
@@SurvivorIce yeah that was before brexit
@@marcysss93 so what? They voted stay in UK and this must mean honoring any UK national results and not use Brexit as excuse to hold another scottish referendum 5 yeats later.
SurvivorIceland Yeah I think the people of Scotland might have something to say about that. Like that they want a chance to express their opinion again after the country they’re a part of makes the biggest constitutional change in half a century. It’s not, “I have altered the deal, pray I do not alter it any further”.
@@SurvivorIce so what? Conscious of the fact that Scotland is vastly pro EU during the referendum the British gov made it clear that in case of independence they would veto Scottish entry into the EU, and what happens one year later? We'll see how the next referendum pans out
lmao what does Farage think about switzerland?
4 different languages
Probably doesn't think it's a nation
See USA
Hundreds of languages there
He thinks cheese
@@user-fi2fk2ei7o no just English and some southern parts Spanish
@@joris8032 there's Cherokee and others as well
0:58 foreshadowing...
England, a country where french was the language spoken at courts for like 300 years and has more french words than old english words.
@@kruotube Sorry, wrong. At least 40% of modern english are words originating from french (and yes, you can search studies on that if you are inclined to do so). french is a roman language (roman languages are spoken in france, spain and italy predominantly) and has few words from non-roman languages.
Hush don't tell him.
@msmissy6888 euh no? Explain yourself then.
So we are all Roman?
I’m from belgium and I approve this message
Dude , every nation is artificial creation
@Luís Filipe Andrade It is. It doesn't matter on what it is based , it still an abstract community . It is something that people imagine exists much like a fictional story . Nation is an imaginary order.
Semka7a so if something is abstract its imaginary? Social hierarchies are abstract and so is culture but neither are imaginary but language is more concrete as a unifying characteristic of a nation
@Luís Filipe Andrade You could argue that their are no ethnic groups at all. Those "groups" always overlapped, and we all come from the same people.
The concept of nations started getting popular around the 18th and 19th century; before that nationalities didn't exist.
@Luís Filipe Andrade All of the things you listed are artificial creations. A nation is an artificial creation, that is that
@Luís Filipe Andrade My dude, nation is a construct and a pretty new one, it doesn't matter what they share(language is also a construct and changes based on external factors), the concept of a nation did not always exist and flourished in the 19-20th century. People in the past did not care about nation, there were only two things, barbarians and us, empires were multicultural and the only thing that mattered was if you were a citizen. Greeks may have spoken the same base language and believed in the same religion but they were different tribes, with different cultures and political systems and only considered themselves Hellenes in the Persian invasion because it was practical. They still hated each other and had many civil wars, sometimes because they wanted to keep the independence of the city states. We may be both right wingers and have similar beliefs my dude, that doesn't mean that "the right" is not a social construct
If what he said is true then surely he wants to break up the UK? I thought not
The UK isn't a country. Its a political union so what's your point?
@@EthanfromEngland-what is the meaning of a country?
@@Elijah-cy9doThere isn't a unified parliament. There are Scottish Welsh northern ire English parliaments. The only difference being that there is one king
@rtavan no such thing as an English parliament. While Scottish, Welsh and N. Irish Parliaments/assemblies are just devolved institutions running on power given by Westminster. Scottish, Welsh and N. Irish Parliaments only came to existence in the late 1990s
Sounds like England Scotland Wales and Ireland …
I love how I get recommended a video titled “why Belgium isn’t a country” while watching this 😂
Could say the same thing for the United Kingdom
"We want to live in nation states, not false artificial creations."
WTH
Why do they accept the UK then? lol
UK is not a nation. It's a union.
England, Scotland, Wales and North-Ireland are nations in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is a union. Belgium is a country but no nation.
no, because the UK isnt a country. Its a political union. read a book.
@@EthanfromEngland- a political union, I.e. a false artificial creation
The UK is also not a nation.
Well no it isn't. It's a union of countries.
@@VoodooMadMike41 an union of countries where no one wants to be in ^^
As a Belgian is can confirm he's right.
Something tells me you don't even live close to the language barrier and thus have no idea about actual communautairy issues at all
ma gast
True
As Belgian? Do you mean 'as Flemish' or 'as Walloon'?
nederlander hier? dus split luxemburg 50/50?
R we gonna ignore that their tension is literally almost non existent and him saying that it’s not a nation because a French and Dutch side is literally just to divert the situation he tumbled up???
Why would he. He is a gombeen man who was privately educated and a failed City banker.
We are not violent, but many of us Flemish want our independence.
@@lander681 many? Like 20%?
@@magicarpette450 Isn't that a lot?
@@lander681 That's indeed a lot, but I checked, and recently, well, four years ago, in 2020, 22% of Flanders was even for the return to an unitary state...
im belgian and this is so true
‘Enjoy the European election next year!’... ha ha ha... ironic.
"I'm MC doesn't know what irony is!"
Haha uk is out, how ironic
You do know that even though the UK were leaving the eu, it was still forced to take part in the eu elections. The UK didn't see the point and refused to name an eu commissioner, the eu then fined the UK for not conforming to its idiocy. voting in something you just voted to leave.
Belgium? You mean Southern Netherlands/Northern France/Northern Morocco?
Lol Morocco
As Kenny Everett once said .... Everybody knows where it is but nobody wants to go there.
scoppio07 How do you explain the 2 million immigrant people That came to live here?
@@s.v.o.579 African or European?
Leigh Pemberton Mostly people with italian acestry. Also a bit of Poles and today more and more Turks and morrocons. With the war in the middle east, a couple of thousand syrians and afgans also.
I love Nigel’s courage under withering fire. The guy has a spine of steel.
He got caught on misusing funds. Way to choose your role model :-)
Farege forget it: United Kingdom is NOT a Nation
UK is 4 Nations..or 3 Nations... when Scotland would say in a future referendum :"Yes the independence"
Yeah a spine of steel and a brain the size of a point of a pin.
what a Plonker !
He admits that his wife left him because of the pressure of his political work.
I think he might be talking about his own nation
I'm English and I 100 percent agree
Nigel was correct and UK was not an artificial nation it was there from day one
Says sb from a country that literally consists of 4 parts, that dislike each other intensely...
I cannot stop laughing.
Nige relatively accurately describes Belgium, but the same goes for the UK, Spain, France, Switzerland, Italy, which are all ancient nation states in Europe. Then globally, China, Canada, USA, South Africa, Australia etc are all comprised in the way that Farage describes Belgium.
Actually there are 6 governments in Belgium :
1 federal
3 regional (Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels)
2 communities (German and French, the Flemish one merged with the regional government of Flanders)
None of the countries you described were made as a geopolitical tool. Belgium should be part of the Dutch Republic/Netherlands.
No, China, Canada, USA and Australia are mostly homogenous speaking a common language and no hatred towards each other.
@@nuzayerov clearly you've never heard of Quebec
@@nuzayerovChina is Mandarin, Mongolian, Tibetan, Turk
Based and he spoke truth only
Such disrespect... And then, they will tell us that nationalism is not about hating other nations.
If only there were more Brits with his courage. Sadly, there is not...just cows following the other cows.
Indeed.
Nigel is a Russian fifth columnist you gammon.
I personally don’t agree with him.
you mean sheep?
Farege forget it: United Kingdom is NOT a Nation UK is 4 Nations..or 3 Nations... when Scotland would say in a future referendum :"Yes the independence"
Wasn't their talk of another referendum for Scotlands independence and northern Irelands reunification with the Republic of Ireland?
@@frederickcubbins Ireland was united all the way up until 1920. Whether it was under British rule or not is not the point. Ireland was a single entity until home rule was granted to all but 6 counties in the north. As for reunification, there is definitely a growing sentiment amongst the Northern Irish since their views on Brexit have been completely ignored and feel that they are just bargaining chips in the UKs quest for self destruction.
@@rubeniscoolIreland was never United under British rule that's what all the rebellions were about
@@rubeniscoolself destruction?
Look at how many Remain lies came true?
Better growth than Germany.
You were lied to.
The thing Farage forgot to add is that his 20th century historic hero overrun Belgium in a few days and forced the British to withdraw to France. Belgium pilots came to Britain and flew with the RAF and were decorated for bravery and many lost their lives, not bad for a country that is not a nation. Farage never supported British interests in his entire period as a MEP. But years earlier brave young Belgium men came and fought along side us in WW2, but we know Farage would probably run rather than fight for Britain, probably because he would have had more sympathy for the enemy, then and now (Russia) lots of cash splashed by Putin to this side of our politics.
"We want to live in nation states, not false artificial creations" ... umm, Nigel? That's like saying "I want to live in London, not the capital of the UK"!
London city state when?
UK is also not a nation.
Pfft. I live in Belgium and feel like a Belgian. Just because you don't speak the same language doesn't mean you can't live together. Look at the Scottish and English. Both different people, and yet they form a nation together. If we start naming all peoples and ethnic groups, then half of the world's countries would be split!
@@kincaidwolf5184 They indeed don't have a seperate language. They have two namely scot and gaelic.
I am Flemish, not belgian.
@@ikporu Your id card says something different
Vlaanderen vrij aub!
@@sifuhotman1300 Nee danku ik heb liever dat den economie nog niet meer instort.
i honestly thought the guy in the thumbnail is mr bean
Sounds like the UK
'We want to live in nation states not artificial creations' yes let me just check on my crop of naturally occurring nations, oooooo the English are coming along nicely, and it only took a couple hundred years of warring!
More specifically the UK is a union set up through undemocratic means.
:( Oh, Nigel :'(
and Luxembourg?
Belgium fought for it's own independence. I don't get this 'British creation' aspect of it. The French defended our independence in 1831 and the Brits just recognized the country. They created nothing....
Imagine being a British nationalist and calling another country "not a nation". At least Belgium isn't separated from part of itself by water and is only comprised of two distinct regions instead of four.
The Northern Irish have voted consistently to be part of the UK. Japan has a separation by water, does that make one island less Japanese than the other? Separated by water, combined with a democratic vote.,OH and two distinct regions instead of four???? do you mean the 4 countries making up the UK nation???
@@marksavage1108 uk is not a nation
It's ironic that a Britishman states that
A British descendant of immigrants who hates immigrants.
While he's right about the artifialness, by that line of thinking the US isn't a country either, nor is Canada, France, Spain, Russia, China, Nigeria, India or even the UK. So maybe not the best way to define a country after all?
Nigel Farage👍👍👍👍👍👍
Well how does it feel now? After Brexit?
Brilliant, Why ?
Surely one could say that Britain isn’t a nation as there are 4 parts to it which despite all speaking English technically have different languages and hate each other
We don't hate each other though?
The UK is a union of 4 nations
@@chalice7322 We don't either. There are pollitical clashes now and then but the people don't hate eachother.
I can say that we don't hate each other but I hate people like him.
@@milo5395 three I don't think Northern Ireland counts as a nation
So should we bring up the whole Troubles thing, or...?
And the UK is not an Empire 😂
Or a nation 😂
All countries are arbitrary
This
strange to hear that from a person whose country is pretty much itself an artificial construction
You talk a load of Bull, and sound very uneducated. Great Britain is not an artificial construction.
The situation in great Britain last I check they had the highest GDB post covid the start was hard but. Long term hum it look to be tough but better
Why doesn’t Wallonia re annex themselves to France and Flanders re annex themselves to Netherlands ? WTH
buffer zone.
Well wallonia don't wanna be part of france and flander's not from the nederland's
May I refer you to Benedict Anderson's "Imagined Communities"? You'd discover that an "artificial creation" is the VERY DEFINITION of a nation!
Not an argument
@S. I. V. It would split as parts of France and The Netherlands. What does Germany have to do here, भाई?
You confuse `country`` with nation. an artificial creation ``which the voters agree with`` is a nation, when the voters detest it, its just a country.
To understand brexit just look at the big money bankrolling Farage.😉
Well, even a stopped clock...
This aged very poorly for the Brits. Look at you now.
Joke: Belgium should be divided or partitioned into 4 zones, Wallonia to France, Flanders to Holland, Brussels to the EU and German speaking parts of Belgium in its east to Germany.
No joke: Belgium doesn't have its own language (French from France, Dutch from Holland and German from Germany).
neither does america
a lot like switzerland then. the 3 french, german & italian speaking parts could easily be gifted to their apropriate neighbouring countries respectively
@@ImperialDiecastIn the US, English is de facto national language. Belgium has zero.
@@overgeared so who gets the german part? austria, germany, or liechtenstein?
@@JDushime de facto? For your information The usa has no "official language"
Then what it the UK ?
A few countries within one country ? A gathering of countries ? What ?
Exactly. And I'm British
There is a strong British identity with lots of national institutions and media and we all speak the same language and have similar cultures. 40% of Scotland pretending to be Celtic doesn't change that.
@@catmonarchist8920 dream on lol
@@Afura33 The UK is a country in itself and a unitary state with a single language. Far more unified than most states could hope to be.
@@catmonarchist8920 Ah yea awesome unification ^^ where 48% of the scots, 47% of the welsh and the 45% of the people in northern ireland wanna leave the UK 😉
Belgium is a variation of jugoslavia that somehow managed not to split with a war
Nigel tells the truth even if it hurts
Ngongo Gongo What about the £350 million for the NHS, When's that going to happen.
prat.
Ngongo, I assure you, no Belgian feelings were hurt during this speech. Farage is not exactly breaking new ground. But it's interesting to see if the UK falls apart before Belgium does.
Ngongo Gongo Nothing he has said was true here. ALL nations are artificial creations, no it wasn't the brits who did that but he is trying to appeal to nationalists who are under the impression the UK gets blamed for stuff it didn't do.
you obviously havent seen the record levels of corporate debt in Belgium
Then the UK is not a nation also
The UK isn’t a nation, it’s a union.
Soyboy detected
@@sonofportsmith4435 an union where no one wants to be in ^^
More education of the ignorant. The United Kingdom is a nation formed from the 4 Kingdoms of Scotland Norther Ireland , Wales and England, the 4 kingdoms are 4 ``countries`` that make up the UK ``nation``.Go read a dictionary once in a while.
Could the same be said of Switzerland?
Yes.
Wrong Nigel there are 3 parts, you forgot the German side.
Ok. Just keep insulting people. It is very mature...🤦♂️ every country is an artificial construction. He should open a book.
How many wars between each part of UK through history ?
We love Belgium and its population 👍
From France 🇨🇵🇨🇵🇨🇵
Farage is not wrong here. Many belgians dislike how the country is run. EVERYTHING is split apart from the belgian soccer/football team. I, as a Flemish citizen, would love to see belgium split.
Anime pfp, opinion discarded
As a Flemish, I don't feel insulted by Farage.
@@ikporuNice lip service to your overlord Van Grieken. Keep it up!
"Enjoy the European elections next year, they're going to be fun" Lord Farage could see into the future
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What a shame fartage couldn’t see a few years further heh ? How is it going now ？
@@Drugov78 I think Farage did see a few years further and what Brexit would cause, an opportunity to enrich himself. Anything else that would happen was just collateral damage.
He's right, Belgium isn't really a country but a collection of smaller and culturally different countries bound together in a Union under a monarchy from a cadet branch of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha that changed its name to sound less German and more local after WW1. Were as the UK is completely different.
With his logic. The UK isnt a nation
This comment is underrated...
According to your logic the UK isn't a nation either lol.
@@MarloweMcAngusit's the most braindead comment here
And they still have better beers than the Deunited Kingdom😢
That’s why we allow you to exist.
Imagine showing your lack of historical culture in front of a camera and the rest of european politicians….
Yes he is right
Britain is not a nation either: Scots & Englanders do not seem to like each other too much, and the former would prefer to break free from the latter.
Technically, it's not. - Also odd to see Verhofstadt get so worked up when you'd think he'd want Nationhood in Europe to melt away, so Belgium's lack thereof is a like a headstart to European Federalist.
He surely does want to see the EU as a federal state of some sort, yet Verhofstadt is Belgian first and foremost. His ambitions for the EU don’t change this fact.
A federal republic state still needs states that federate. Otherwise there is not much of an advantage in you know ... federalizing.
Nigel goes of the far end here although criticism to Belgiums leadership is correct. Because 'leadership' hasn't been there in the form of a government for over the last 500 days!
Pretty sure there are wikipedia pages on the Belgian governments since Independence. That's a start!
britian is tired of not constantly being at war and managing colonies.
Wrong. It's the rich that think this way. The people don't want to be at war.
Britain is also not a country.
It’s an American colony.
Every time I see him I'm reminded of the "Upper Class Twit of the Year" Monty Python Sketch.
Belgium exists so that European powers have a place to settle their differences.
@iSorrowproductions is this true
Brexit meanwhile…
Yea didn't work out so well right lol
as if he's saying that nation states are not artificial human creations
But the UK is? Please.
Farage is the only person in that room that knows the definition of the word nation... Belgium is not a nation at all, it is a state
Free Flanders
Let's hear that definition!
Belgium is a multinationl state as Switzerland, it is normal, you can study now
So is the United Kingdom, but English nationalists like Farage want to ignore that blatant fact.
The UK is pretty homogeneous... and sure, the Welsh, Scots, and Irish should have their own sovereign nations too.
What's wrong with being a nationalist, besides the ignorant leftist rhetoric about it being extremist or racist??
@@willyoujustrelax8236 That depends on what form it takes. In Wales, it has traditionally been to describe people who are in favour of self-determination. In that respect, I would be described as a nationalist. However, the likes of Farage border on the type of nationalist that is far right and has intentions of restricting others and seeing themselves as somehow superior. He has made it clear that he wishes to dissolve the Welsh Assembly and even let the Welsh language die. Same word - huge difference.
As for your comment suggesting that the UK is 'homogenous' suggest strongly that you have very little understanding of Welsh culture which is entirely different even though lifestyles may appear to be much the same. We may be a small country, but we are just as valid and are unique in our way.
Andrew Jones Productions I’d be very interested to hear where you got this information about Farage wanting to stop the Welsh language. Any chance of a reference as I’m studying classical European languages and the resurgence in languages that nation states have previously banned?
History would definitely suggest tyranny starts with cultural uniformity and the repression of language & folk traditions.
Stop comparing Belgium with Switzerland, it is a lot more complicated than language alone. There is no 'Belgian identity'.
"Akshally, Belgium is a social construct"
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I like how he acts like nation states arent artificial creations
But they often aren't.
Some nations are created by external Geopolitical forces where the people of the nation don't share much in common (esp langauage but also shared identity before , culture, history, mainstream politics).
Langauge & Consent to become a nation are probably thw biggest ones. I cant imagine being part of a country which has three parts that has the same lanaguge as your neighbour, but is instead forms a country with two other languages you may not speak.
I am not Belgium, but if someone else is, i wonder how many Belgians instead want to become part of the neighboring country that shares their language.
Plus the political differences
And it seem to me to fit nicely, because Brussels counld become it's own Local City State & permanent location of the EU.
@@pebblepod30 None of those things are necessary for a nation, language does not make people significantly different. All those factors are still artificial
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And by "greatest countries in the world" I mean countries like Bhutan, Singapore; but also Netherlands, Finland.
Or the other direction: are you telling me that countries in a Country with Civil War, that the lack of feeling of common sharing made no difference?
No, they have been wishing those other people were not part of the country, for many years.
So I don't know what your getting at other than if you are just trying to sound cool or being purely theoretical with such a point.
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You could also say the same about Northern Ireland.
As a Flemish (northern Belgian) person I can confirm this is so true
I love so much non-Belgians saying Belgium isnt a nation. Completely ignoring that Belgium got its indepence from the Netherlands with Mostly french help. Afterwards the Brits helped us too.
Also How they ignore That back in WW1 every Belgian, french or dutch, would proudly wave our tricolore and shout VIVE La Belgique or Leve België.
J Bagger I also like you discussing his with a person that is born and raised in Belgium. I have direct access to What is going on here.
J Bagger No I only stated I live here and I know what vibe hangs around here and Its deffinetly not a bad one.
Let's be real man, we are not a nation, we are two different people groups, living along side but not with each other...
Well I am a flemish as well and the sentiment of Flemish people after the elections this sunday couldn't be filled with anger any more then it is now. Belgium isn't a nation, we are not one people. In 1906 a Walloon politician said, "Sire, Il y a en Belgique de Wallons et des Flamands, il n y'a pas de Belges." translated, "Your Majesty(the king), In Belgium there are Walloons and Flemings. There are no Belgians."
South of the country, not our people, not our culture, not our ideology. Signed a displeased Fleming.
Zuiden van het land, niet ons volk, niet onze cultuur, niet onze ideologie. Gesigneerd een misnoegde Vlaming.
Sud du pays, pas notre peuple, pas notre culture, pas notre idéologie. Signé un Flamand mécontent.
@@jbagger331 Nations are obsurdities and the universe will be better off when the sun goes nova and wipes such meaningless concepts out of existence.
Love Farage!
Same in Cyprus
Why do they need a state tv channel? That’s just silly
Every nation is artificial.
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