Nigel Farage and Antonio Tajani go head to head in the European Parliament plenary on the 24th of October, debating the role the EU had in defeating nazism and communism.
@@mariorossi9944 vergognati Mario Rossi, il latino rimane e rimarrà una lingua imponente e solenne, per non parlare della bellezza e della miriade di motti e aforismi che se ne possono ricavare
@@flusdock8526 Mi schiero indubbiamente con il suo punto di vista. Il latino è una lingua endemicamente solenne e legata ad un passato di glorie. Sopratutto è la base dell'italiano che parliamo tutti i giorni.
@@lorenzopalpacelli2245 guarda che lo stai dicendo di uno che parla a livello professionale Spagnolo e Francese, e che in Inglese comunque sa parlare decentemente. Tajani è tutto fuorché ignorante.
@@typerj.simpson6519 Dal punto di vista grammaticale il tuo discorso non fà una grinza ,ma dal punto di vista di uno storico Tajani è un emerito ignorante e dice un mucchio di castronerie .....
Yeah, just a classic establishment nonsense slogan. EU was born in 1992, before we had just economic agreements between european countries (carbon and steel). NATO was the only peace keeper
@@gustavschnitzel Open a book you are so ignorant. > 1952: carbon and steel economic community (nothing related to a peace keeping) > 1992: EU, but still not able to keep the peace, because it's not a federal government NATO was and is the only peace keeper in Europe
@@theweb3182 No, you are the ignorant one. You don't understand what peacekeeping means. You don't understand how a war is prevented. The carbon and steel economic community was meant to share the resources that are important to conduct a war. And if these resources are shared, it becomes very unrealistic that the countries who share it, will fight each other. Of course the EU keeps peace. When was the last time that EU-members fought each other? Never. Open a book yourself before you call someone ignorant, fool.
You just proving that I'm right. 1945 NATO, after just council of Europe, so nothing military able to keep the peace. 1992 EU but up to today continue to be not a military peace keeper. Just NATO kept and keeping the peace with military presence
1. The Nazi regime was defeated by USA and UK. Without US help even the soviet Union would have fall during WW2. 2. The Soviet Union was collapsed due to Hungary and Poland long and bloody straggle. Just take a look on Hungarian anti-Soviet revolution of 1956 and the Polish people fight during all 70th. Salvini never would have sad such a stupidity!
@@Martin6465 after what Gabor, rightly, said. Just one thing, is not Salvini, but Tajani. And,as an italian, I just can say that Farage is completely right. Just hope that Italy will take the same decision that England took as soon as possible
@@MrWolf-xk8sl - Without the American aids and also weapon transport the Russian would have lost that war. In think the Communism was very similar to Nazism. Stalin also killed many Jews in Soviet Union.
Italian generals riding around with ss Nazi generals when they was winning the war and then when the Germans was losing the war the Italians turncoat the Germans in favour of the usa and uk these words came from my 98year old Uncle
if you are going to try to contradict me by "deny the truth of (a statement) by asserting the opposite"it was my Uncle, not my grandad ! and he was there was you ? has the last four years of bios Misinformation, lies and media spin and forty seven years under the UE, learnt you leftys nothing, it is obvious the EU paid teachers have done there job well !
Che risposta del cazzo... Quindi se rido alle cazzate di salvini vuol dire che lui ha ragione? Come fai a dire che l Europa ha sconfitto nazismo e comunismo senza far ridere la gente? Che pagliacci che siete...
@@freedomordeath89 prima di tutto stai calmo che nessuno qui ha detto di essere d'accordo con il significato del video. Io non mi troverei mai d'accordo con uno che ride in faccia a qualcuno che sta esponendo un opinione. È una mancanza di rispetto spaventosa e chiunque si atteggi così ha meno diritto a portare avanti una carriera politica che qualcuno che ha proposto un'idea non condivisibile.
@Boomer Galactica actually the universe happened when Chuck Norris sneeze and farted at the same time. This is why we have hypothesis of parallel universes
Oh wait, does Tajani know that one of the most influental person who created EEC was Altiero Spinelli Italian communist, who was even political prisoner during facist regime?
Farage non ha mai chiesto di entrare in Europa però. Forse intendevi che rappresentava un paese (UK) che tempo addietro chiese di unirsi alla CEE? Se sì, è vero che alla CEE volevano unirsi, ma evidentemente erano presenti notevoli perplessità sull'evoluzione di questa in UE che poi hanno portato alla scelta della Brexit. Resta il fatto che ridere in faccia a qualcuno mentre questo sta parlando sia maleducato, tuttavia, Tajani aveva detto una cazzata, non può esser stata l'UE a salvarci da comunismo e nazismo visto che all'epoca nemmeno era in progetto una UE.
Il Regno Unito, numeri alla mano, è cresciuto esponenzialmente proprio nel periodo in cui si è unito alla CEE, ma questo gli inglesi l'hanno rimosso in fretta. Le perplessità? Si, certo, ricordassero dov'era l'economia britannica prima di entrare nella CEE e poi ne riparliamo. Ora vedremo cosa sapranno fare da soli, ma non dimenticassero chi gli ha permesso di tornare ad essere un'economia sana. Ci vorrebbe una hard brexit affinché il buon Farage capisca il senso del termine "gratitudine"
@@LastViolator Che io sappia Farage si lamenta anche della poca democrazia della UE, su cui ha ragione e su cui ricordo avesse fatto molta campagna elettorale. Sulla questione economica hai ragione però, visto che andava storcendo i dati per far sembrare che l'UK sebbene contribuente attivo alla UE non ricevesse nulla indietro o che avesse altro che da perdere nel restare (cosa non vera). Secondo me avrebbe fatto meglio a lottare per democratizzare l'unione anzichè cercare di uscirne.
@@PRODAt3, è un discorso molto complesso, e tu stesso hai in parte centrato il punto. Ad un esame d'interpretariato nel 94 (attenzione all'anno..), il mio insegnante di francese ricordava come gli inglesi ce l'hanno per vizio il volersi sentire "diversi", a cominciare dalla guida a sinistra per finire alle loro unità di misura. Le lamentele britanniche ce le sorbiamo da decenni (la Thatcher diceva sempre "our money back") dimenticando chi gli aveva permesso di poter far crescere e prosperare la propria economia. Ora, è ovvio che far parte di una comunità implica la perdita di alcuni diritti: se entro in un club, devo accettarne diritti e doveri, giusto? Ora, la natura furbesca e quasi viscida dei negoziatori britannici si è pienamente vista quando, durante i negoziati brexit (ti rammento, NON ancora conclusi dopo 4 anni: ecco come l'avevano preparata bene certi irresponsabili, eh!) hanno inizialmente chiesto di poter far parte del mercato unico (i vantaggi) senza però stare alle regole della libera circolazione delle persone (i doveri)! Furbacchioni, o sbaglio? Loro ci possono invadere di merci, noi non possiamo manco andare a vivere in Inghilterra! Bene, io sarei per l'hard brexit con tanto di dogane e dazi in entrata come in uscita; poi voglio vedere a chi li vendono le loro merci questi furbacchioni... agli africani? A Trump? O sperano di fare alleanze con Russi e Cinesi? Che l'UE dev'essere rivista, ci sta, sono d'accordo. Ma non parliamo dei britannici, o forse dovrei dire degli inglesi e gallesi, visto che Scozia e Irlanda del Nord sono favorevoli in maggioranza all'UE. Il mio sogno? La disintegrazione del Regno Unito con uscita di scozzesi e nord irlandesi dal Regno Unito e il loro ritorno in Europa... allora si che vorrei vedere la faccia di quel grandissimo BUGIARDO di Farage (perché da come ne parli, sei cosciente di tutte le balle da codice penale che si è inventato per vincere il referendum - il re della fake news, quel viscido schifoso xenofobo).
@@LastViolator I negoziati sono stati anche ampiamente osteggiati dalla UE che va detto, sapeva che la May non intendeva guidare una Brexit e l'idea comune da entrambe le parti era tirarla alla lunga per poi fare un secondo referendum e rimanere in UE. Cosa che non sono riusciti a fare, democraticamente han fatto un voto ed è giusto rispettarlo, io son daccordo con Farage sul fatto che l'Europa non sia fatta bene e che non sia sufficientemente democratica, meno sul come ha deciso di impostare la campagna elettorale, però è anche vero che gli inglesi non si sentono europei ed hanno un eccezionalismo non da poco, il che da una parte non è un male per loro visto che la UE sta diventando uno strumento di supremazia tedesco, come la crisi attuale sta ben dimostrando. Mi aspetto che la UE non duri molto a questo punto, a causa di ciò che sta succedendo con la risposta europea al coronavirus cinese e mi auguro che se un suo successore dovesse venir creato possa esser fatto con gli strumenti di democrazia reale che auspicava anche Farage ma cui pesava troppo il culo darsi da fare per creare quando poteva.
I totally disagree with Farage and his ideas, but it cannot be considered that "the two dictatorships have disappeared thanks to the European Union". Even in consideration of the important role of the EU in international relations, Tajani's statement was too simplistic and untrue compared to the complexity of the events that led to the end of the two dictatorships. On the other hand, the EU was officially born with the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, while the European Economic Community (EEC) with the Treaty of Rome of 25 March 1957. Both had little to do with Nazism, considering the inexorable decline with the end of the Second World War (1945) and the indispensable intervention of the United States. A completely marginal role also in the dissolution of the USSR. We agree on respect for opinions, but the story must be told objectively. And I say this as an Italian and a pro-European.
You are correct, and I think his real thought was something like this: the EU helped its members fight against renewal of dictatorships in the after war. But I agree if that was his thought, like I think, it was pretty badly stated. Farage could have made his point without being a c*nt though, but then again, it wouldn't be Farage. The president of the Parliament was right to scold him for his childish behaviour, even if he was wrong on the historical facts. Anyway, I think noone regrets Farage in Bruxelles.
As an Italian across the pond, I couldn't agree with you more. How long did Britain fight on her own, 8 months or so, against the Nazis? Churchill and Gorbachev my two favourite statesman from the last century.
@@enniodimauor7561 im sorry but being forcefully occupied for many a year after a war you got fucked in for seemingly no reason and then seeing your nation suffer, revolts brutally suppressed and the West watching helplessly of course the eventually freed soviet republics of Eastern Europe would rush to the EU. They were given a chance that their people had suffered and been murdered for on a platter.
EU and Europe are different things. The legal join is not the real join. After 1991, many ex URSS countries created social and work net with the EU. The reunion of Germany was the first "official" step of this process but it was not the only one. The CEE birth it's one of the many reasons why we are free and not under a communist dictator. This is a historical fact.
Penso che la figura dello stolto qui l'abbia fatta solo Tajani non conoscendo i fatti della storia. È vero, Farage ha sbagliato a ridere, ma ha perfettamente ragione perché i fatti sono fatti.
@werner van gelder Thattaboy! Change the subject! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! What a tosser! Go back to the other thread we were both commenting on just moments ago, the one you bailed out of!
weener van gelder ... What a weakling you are ... deleting your posts and having my perfectly ok and honest responses removed with them on another thread today .... you aren't fit to call yourself a man and you aren't fit to clean my shoes. You are one of life's losers who feel the need to lie about their qualifications in an attempt to appear as clever ... I caught you out on that and you then deleted your posts .... priceless! Gutless tosser.
@@ea635 Just figure out how could such an unfair deal called €urozone be trusted .... while one of the partners (Holland) is allowed acting as a fiscal paradise for top corporates Bruxelles keeps preaching strict austerity policy for the others :-) :-) :-) Does Mrs.Von der Leyen think we're a pack of idiots ? Greetings from Milan.
“You should respect the ideas of other people” no Tajani, you’re talking about history, not ideas. You can’t rewrite history. I’m Italian and this man is outrageous. He represents perfectly what’s wrong with Eu.
Bea, stava semplicemente intendendo che dalle ceneri e dagli orrori della seconda guerra mondiale è nata l’Europa, a voler rappresentare un sentimento di cooperazione e fratellanza tra gli Stati europei volto a sradicare definitivamente i nazionalismi che condussero agli orrori della guerra. Non a caso le prime bozze di unione interstatale nacquero proprio al termine della 2GM. Possibile che non ci arriviate? Non è difficile.
Andrea Leonti Tajani ha detto che le dittature sono SCOMPARSE grazie all’Ue; poi, dopo l’intervento di Farage, ha corretto il tiro dicendo che il comunismo è scomparso con l’annessione di paesi dell’est all’Unione. Anche questa seconda affermazione è scorretta e semplicistica, e sicuramente in mala fede, perché mi rifiuto di credere che Tajani abbia conoscenze di così basso livello.
Bea r non ha conoscenze di così basso livello. È evidente. E proprio per questo il senso era da intendersi come da me precisato. Invece preferite accanirvi sul senso letterale della frase, quando qui Tajani (che è DISTANTISSIMO dalle mie posizioni politiche) ha messo a tacere e dato una lezione di educazione e rispetto ad un cretino come Farage
Andrea Leonti se il senso era quello avrebbe dovuto dire quello, invece ha messo in fila una serie di errori madornali, penso che neanche il più asino degli asini in storia potrebbe arrivare a tanto. I casi sono due o Tajani è veramente ignorante e non sa esprimersi o è in mala fede e sa benissimo cosa sta dicendo: visto che la retorica dell’Ue come portatrice di cooperazione, fratellanza ecc ecc non funziona più molto bene, ora si prova a dire che grazie all’Ue ci siamo salvati da nazismo, comunismo e chi più ne ha più ne metta. Auguri a chi ci crede.
@Andrea Leonti: Ha dato una lezione di educazione e rispetto?!?! Ma cosa diavolo stai dicendo? Ha FALSIFICATO la storia, ha sparato una vagonata di castronerie, si è arrampicato sugli specchi che all'Europa intera fischiano le orecchie, si è comportato da incivile e cafone, oltre che da cretino integrale con la coda di paglia, ha coperto di ridicolo l'Italia intera, e gli stupidi saremmo noi che dovevamo capire che lui intendeva dire tutto il contrario di quello che ha detto e poi ancora ribadito? E il cretino sarebbe Farage? Ma per piacere!
Why people don’t understand that Tajani said that “Europe defeated Nazism” means that thanks to Europe nowadays things like Nazism are almost impossible to take place (at least in European countries)
Thats your interpretation of what he said, most others seem to hear something very different. As farage said - disingenuous to allies such as the Americans. Europe didn't defeat Nazism alone. & If we're going to be totally correct some of Europe created it.
No, he clearly is a clueless idiot. He even claimed that communism in the Soviet Union ended when Eastern European countries joined the EU, which is idiotic since all of the Eastern European countries that are in the EU nowadays, joined after the Soviet Union ended.
Not sure why you're laughing at the axis comment ML...perhaps a skewed vision of history. Poles and Czechs are independent states in an ill thought out union controlled once again by the Germans.
parlare del nazi-fascismo perché l'Italia e la Germania erano alleate, sarebbe come dire che la monarchia inglese e il capitalismo americano erano comunisti perche alleati di Stalin. (talk about Nazi-fascism because Italy and Germany were allies, it would be like saying that the British monarchy and the American capitalism were communists because allies of Stalin)
Artful Dodger it’s clear that, historically, the Nazism and Comunism have been defeated by the Allies. What he said and meant it’s just that after the horrors of the war the European citizens wanted to establish mutual ideals of brotherhood and cooperation, to definetly bury all those nationalism feelings that led to the WW2 atrocities.
@@freedomordeath89 In the last 75 years since the end of world war II, the biggest 44 economies in the world have not been in conflict with each other. Such peace has not been seen since the fall of the Roman Empire, and that's a historical fact.
@@bramvanopdenbosch3743 I'm Italian, I'm european. I despise populists and I know that the EU brought economic prosperity and development. BUT I also have a history Phd and I know for a fact that this peace was brought by NATO and by the Pax Americana, not by the EU. I don't want to leave the EU, but the EU is not perfect, its a mess with 30 different states always fighting each others because they have different interest, the bruxelles burocracy is blind and not that effective. THE ONLY thing I like about the EU is the common currency and the common bank. I agree that my original comment was too harsh, it was a bad period in my life and in my country's history, now things are better and I can see more clearly. I was blaming many italian problems on the EU because my politicians lied to me back then. Now I am more clear minded. But I still dont like the political side of the EU, I like the "technical" institutions, the common research, bank, regulations etc, but it's far from being perfect. And I can still vouch that the EU has nothing to do with world peace, that's a USA achievement.
@@alessandrovitagliano7137 how is the EU great look at what has become the EU every country under there control (yes i said control) is going under dig a little deeper in those in control of EU you will see. you will lose your voice to vote or any kind of speech did you vote for these guys nope
Alessandro Vitagliano yes, it’s wonderful. So wonderful that the far right vote across Europe is increasingly massively since it’s freedom of free movement.
Reading some of the comments, I realise there seems to be a misunderstanding. Mr. Tajani said the EU helped defeat the dictatorships of the 20th century: that is, for the most part, not factually true (the EU was born after the fall of nazi germany and the end of world war 2 and while I can see where he is coming from when he talks about communism in eastern Europe, it seems to me that the causes for the fall of the eastern block are a lot more nuanced). That said, I think the validity of the message still stands: the EU has defeated fascism, national socialism and communism because it has been able to marginalize nationalism and authoritarian ideals by creating a sense of common identity between european nations (which is sadly being slowly eroded by buffoons like Orban and, in a less human-rights-violating way, Farage and Johnson). Europe has never known a longer period of continuous peace and relative prosperity for the entirety of it's history and while other factors may have contributed to this outcome, the existence of the EU is certainly prominent among them. That is just my opinion and, while i cannot read in Tajani's mind, I think that is what he meant. Also, now that the UK is plunging ever deeper into the shitter, this clip looks more like the sinking of the Titanic, with the difference that the captain decided to abandon the ship. Just saying.
EU was born in 1992, before we had just NATO (military peace keeper) and economic european treaties on carbon and steel. Tajani is completely ignorant, like his party leader: Berlusconi
He was referring to the fact the EU has stopped the communist dictators by taking the eastern countries and forbidden the new nazis to rise again, this is not happening in usa for instance, just look at kkk, white supremacy and other junks that we don't have in the EU. Tajani was actually correct.
Many believe one of the major keys to success is waking up early each and every day. Having a head start before everyone else and being on step ahead at all times and fully prepared. When others are still sleeping you are already working.
If Taiani had respect for the place he occupies he would have to step down ..... he doesn't even know what respect is, his party in Italy was founded by a man named "Marcello dell'Utri" a mobster .... that's who we have in the European parliament
Guy must still be pissed about what the Yanks did by showing up and bringing freedom to Europe back in the 40's or ....how his mom won't shut up about all the GIs she fell in love with!
Tajani certainly does not represent Italy, Italians and Italians abroad. Taking history lessons from someone who founded Forza Italia with Berlusconi, a laugh. Zero credibility.
@@Luna-nj9zd The duck is the country which ducked fighting for democracy in WW2 you prick! That was .. yes ... the fascist Italians who fought alongside Hitler in support of Nazism!
My Grandad was injured in WW1, in WW2 my uncle was killed in a Lancaster Bomber, and my Dad was in the RAF, this is a disgrace to all who died and fought to liberate Europe.
@@blitzwing1 every country that the British empire has colonised is doing far better now than they would do if we didnt. Slavery lasted less than 200yrs one of the smallest and least important slave trades in the world and is dwarfed in size in comparison to the slave trades we have in africa both back then and today. Colonisation was a peaceful process whitch is why despite possible killings or wars there has never been any evidence for the British carrying out a genocide at any point in history.
And you did! the European Community (formerly EEC) is a free trade community that forms one of the pillars of the EU. I don't know what country you're from so I don't know who proposed the treaty for the entry of your country.
The decision to join the EU comes from local governments, that the citizens elect and that are in charge to represent the willing of the people who elected them. That’s how politic works.
Cornelius Von Barron no, that’s how every government works. You elect someone to represent you and he makes decisions, whether you agree or not. If you agree you’re happy, if you don’t you’ll vote for the parties opposing those ideas or decisions.
Andrea leonti - Our politicians in the main only concentrate on domestic issues - as they should - europe is on the periphery of all debate, that's why the labour party increased it's vote share in the last election; it was nothing to do with europe. It's this diluting of democracy that people are rebelling against, I see your lessons from Tajani here, are bearing fruit.
Qualcuno ha notato che assomiglia sempre più di faccia e di voce al Paolo Stoppa gerarchetto fascista (film Peppone-don Camillo). A Taja', but make me the pleasure!
E fai male. Tajani sarà un leccaculo di Silvio, ma Farage è un coglione bugiardo che ha raccontato l suo popolo che con la Brexit sarebbero diventati più ricchi. Oltre a tutto, dopo che è passato il referendum, si è andato a nascondere come un codardo e ha lasciato che gli altri si prendessero tutte le patate bollenti in culo. Ora torna, dopo aver fatto un disastro, e accusa altri di non essere in grado di rimediare alle sue cazzate. Un buffone in piena regola. E comunque fanculo Tajani.
I don't think the EU is given enough credit for inventing penicillin, putting the first man on the moon or its greatest feat - beating Sonny Liston in 1964.
Im glad the representatives of the UK in the EU parliament respect the USA as we respect them. Im proud that the UK is our greatest ally. EDIT: Thanks for 30 likes, I find it hilarious how people are getting mad about this comment 4 months after I posted it. EDIT: Thanks for 60 likes, I find it hilarious how people are getting mad about this comment 7 months after I posted it.
@@ilkrankavalierenekro56 While France may have saved our ass, the USA saved the UK twice. If it wasnt for us then the people of the United Kingdom would be speaking German.
@@sexyfiretoes8402 to a point yes not trying to downplay history but I think we could have survived with out the usa might take longer but Soviets would have pushed back german and europe may be communist but history is history no one can change it
Why? What's wrong with saying that thanks to the EU this continent has avoided the uprising of wars or totalitarian regimes? He was 100 accurate, but his words were twisted.
Italian generals riding around with ss Nazi generals when they was winning the war and then when the Germans was losing the war the Italians turncoat the Germans in favour of the usa and uk these words came from my 98year old Uncle
I'm italian too and I can affirm he didn't say anything like that. He just said that thanks to the UE 70 years of peace were guarantied. And to be clear not all italians were fascist... Many were and still are antifascist. Maybe and just maybe countries like UK and many others should try not to be so close and full of themselves and should try to cooperate more with us.
@@freespeechisneverwrong9351 and I respect the choice that UK made... If you don't want to be a part of someting tha doesn't fits you it's ok... But thinking that you're better than us just because you left or just because we did some terrible mistakes 70 years ago it is disrespectfull for our generation and for all of them we lost along the way fighting against these horrible mistakes that all the countries in europe did in the 20th century. Ad to be clear too i want to say to Mr. Farage that in wwII we had thousands of lost lifes too so having 30000 british soldiers life on our country doesn't make him any better. And his laugh was just wrong and not to be done in that situation, in that place, with all those other countries watching.
@@federicogentile1576 No one thinks they are better than you. That’s not even mentioned. You are now making things up. The UK wants independence. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks that a problem. Meanwhile the uk has every right to challenge an Italian on lies about the EU and the Second World War. In fact Farage did not claim that Britain saved Europe. He firmly stated that the US saved Europe. If you cannot take criticism then you shouldn’t fabricate a story which is untrue (lies).
JonatasAdoM that makes absolutely no sense. He’s not telling him to be quiet in general, he’s telling him to be silent while he finishes his point and speaks in his allotted time period
@@theweb3182 nel 1950 nasce la Ceca, che é la prima comunità paraeuropea, il mercato europeo nel 58 con piena attuazione le 62,lumione europea nasce con il trattato di Maastricht nel 92,di certo non esiste da 70 anni, ma di sicuro da quando si é iniziato a vivere le cose in maniere più comunitaria, i conflitti sono diminuiti drasticamente.
Some one pass that poor guy a time line of at least the last 100 years and then pass that same hand out to the majority of that room, it seems a lot of people have got their order of events mixed up. Even the EEC came after WW2.
People who bothered to vote voted for the Meps, like in the UK parliament, and the commissioner has to be approved by the MEPs ,that doesnt happen in the UK parliament with regards to the head of the civil service so by that token the EU is more democratic than the UK 🤔
Mr Tajani responds at interest of his master Berlusconi and at jewish lobbies of globalization, like Mr Geroge Soros who finances the import of africans in Italy. We in Italy now have a strange situation. Not left against right, but sovranist (left 5 stars and rght Lega of Matteo Salvini) against pro globalization (left partito democratico and rgiht Forza Italia of Mr Berlusconi). We know that Mr Soros finances the english party for a new vote on Brexit, because jewish lobbies as you know have many citizenship but always only one nation that's jewish nation, because jewish religion is also a nation. They are afraid of nationalism and want only open society with many religions and many cuture. Here in Italy with Berlusconi and others allied they control main streem in newspapers and brodcasting television, but on the socials Matteo Salvini succeed in all elections where he is present. Tehey tell him that he is fascist, but it's not true; he is only a nationalist like Garibaldi, Mazzini and others patriots of the 19Th century. democracy is the only way to rule. But the eurpean establishment wants create a monster with no national identity. Fascism and nazism were defeted by democracy of Britain, USA, and as well as by comunism dictature of Soviet Union as we know and Mr Tajani is a Billy Lier has to go back to school.
@rad4579 Why? Is it not true that the EU has guaranteed the longest peace period that Europe has never met? Is it not true that the UE made the huge contribute to the end of Soviet's Regime in 1991? Is it not true that the EU has avoided that new Hitler or Mussolini may get the power in their own nations? This the *truth* definetly, and I would like to say "thank you" to Mr Schuman and all other people who contribute to found and develop the EU along more than 70 years nowadays.
@@psichopath3286 yeah i remember the infamous EU vs Soviet Russia. Oh wait, the Soviet republics just got real lucky that their new leader was really willing to allow more freedoms thanks to American influence. The Americans could've left Europe alome and saved a shit ton of money just to watch it fall to communism. That Italian guy is stretching really far, the EU was nothing to the Soviets aside from UN task force aid and diplomatic leverage against them in the UN.
@@psichopath3286 insulting without a reason why shall I waste my time educating a sheep, the only advice I can give you go read a book about ww2 or study history , but knowing how you can't even spell psychopath right I bet you're just a kid if not then honestly that's just sad .
0:29 The ECSC was founded in 1951, six years after the end of WW2. The EU (as it is today) was founded in 1993, two years after the fall of Soviet Communism. 2:55 The first Eastern European country to join the EU was in 2004, 13 years after the fall of the Soviet Union. The fact that all these lies are being said in a 'parliament' is astonishing, I think Mr Tajani needs a history lesson ASAP.
@@georgerj2419 If they were marxists they would have rightly acknowledged the USSR being the main country responsible for the downfall of Nazism and to a certain extent Russia being the downfall of the USSR as a whole. They aren't marxists but liberals.
@JS C that's why we must make it very clear when we leave that irespective of what may happen in the future never again will there be British boots on European soil their not worth the sacrifice
That,s becouse they are all leftie,s lunatics, who want to hand over Europe including Great Brittain to the arabs and make Europe one big Islamic state. Look at Zweden ,France ,Germany, Italia, and so on and so on and so on. These people are fascists and so very ,very ,very dangerous.
My god, that Italian guy (nice to put a face to authority) is a piece of work! What an absurd claim that the EU brought down the Nazis! How can he make such a breathtaking statement?! That wasn't in the history books when I was in school a mere decade ago, and I I'd be shocked if it was now. He isn't trying to re-write history, he's blocking his ears and screaming his EU fan-fiction version, which from a pulpit as high as his, seems very dangerous. Also, as someone from Ireland, what is he trying to say about our supposed neutrality? Every time I hear EU leaders speak I am dismayed by their ideological ferver, and how distant and machine-like it all seems.
He isn't rewriting history, as Farage says. I can speak both languages, and what you're basically doing is listening to what Farage says, and not to Tajani, because you can't understand the language he speaks. To make an opinion over another opinion which you didn't even listen, is what's laughable. Tajani didn't say the EU brought down the Nazis. Never. He said the communist rule ended when more and more countries joined the west and the european union.
@@MrLuigi35000Vr I am only beggining to learn italian, but as a brazillian who speaks both portuguese and some spanish (two leanguages that a close to italian) i can easily uderstand what Tajani is saing (with the exception of one or two words that i can look up) and he does say that nazism brought down nazism! I think you might have missed it. Also there are english subtitles so the guy above can understand whar Tajani says.
MrLuigi35000Vr No, ha detto chiaramente "queste due dittature sono scomparse grazie all'UE". Una boiata pazzesca, un po' come quella che l'UE ci ha garantito la pace.
The video doesn't show the full contest of the discussion. Of course Nazi and Fascist have been defeated during WWII but the CECA-EURATOM and CEE first and UE after determined that all kind of totalitarism are less possible to happen again.
@@tomtams8584 Hitler wins DEMOCRATICALLY the elections in 1933, Mussolini did not takes the majority in the elections (1921) so he just take the power making a type of pact with the king and the italian people, the nazism dictatorship and the fascism dictatorship are different, Mussolini was forced to find a deal with all other minorities (such as catholics) except communist, and he was forced to collaborate with all social class (included the workers and the farmers)... So i am not defending Mussolini, i am not that type of person, but in Italy after El-Alamein the fascism lose all the support from minorities and social class except for the people who were fascist, it's obvious that the king after Allies arrives in Sicily wanted break the alliance with Mussolini, so with Hitler too, i want to say that we did not change side to win but to rebel to the fascism dictatorship and the Allies were in a comune front with us, the same thing happened many times in history, say this thank you to read all and don't blame me for English please (it's a bit complicated to explain in English these concepts so sorry for grammatical error)
Do you understand that Tajani just wants to be respected? Most people accuse Tajani of something strange, but he just asked to have respect. ~ Relativo
You cannot pretend respect after saying nonsensical stuff. Tajani was hugely wrong on the role of the European Union in the destruction of both nazism and comunism. That is alarming, especially considering that Tajani saw in first person the collapse of the Soviet Union and the born of the European Union. In Italy, we call what Tajani did a "figura di merda".
Respect is a thing, saying bullshits is another... Tajani is an idiot. EU ended Nazism and communism?!?! Really?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 (... and I'm Italian).
This comments area makes me want to throw up. Did Europe exist during World War II? Absolutely not. Does this mean it didn’t help eradicate fascism, Nazism and communism? You can believe this only if you haven’t studied. The idea of Europe, of collaboration and democracy, were and are fundamental to eliminating the nationalisms that are the cause of world wars and dictatorships. My political ideas are different from the Tajani ones, but in this case he is right. I would also like to remind you that Italians know that we were accomplices of the Nazis, but we also remember the partisans who, throughout Italy, died war on them. In Italy we had a Civil War!! I hope that the misunderstandings are due to translation, because in Italian the concept that Tajani expresses is clear. Sorry for my horrible english, I tried to do the best I can ITALIANO Questa area commenti mi fa venire voglia di vomitare. L'Europa esisteva durante la seconda guerra mondiale? Assolutamente no. Questo vuol dire che non abbia contribuito a sradicare fascismo, nazismo e comunismo? Lo puoi credere solo se non hai studiato. L'idea d'Europa, di collaborazione e democratica, erano e sono fondamentali per eliminare i nazionalismi causa delle guerre mondiali e delle dittature. La mia opinione politica è diversa da quella di Tajani, ma in questo caso ha ragione. Ci tengo anche a ricordare che noi italiani sappiamo di essere stati complici dei nazisti ma ricordiamo anche i partigiani che in tutta Italia gli muosero guerra.
@@cicciobenzina1962 I fatti della storia sono scritti nero su bianco, con milioni di morti alle spalle e tu pensi che le parole di un esponente politico del XXI secolo possano "cambiarli"? É chiaro che Tajani non parlava in senso letterale e Farage ride perché é l'unico in quella sala che non ci é arrivato. (O meglio, magari ci è arrivato e ride per fare scena, più probabile)
Ciccio Benzina grazie per aver risposto ma non mi trovo d'accordo con il tuo ragionamento alla 1984. Credo che sia ovvio dal suo discorso come Tajani non avesse intenzione di cambiare il passato, ma solo di rimarcare il ruolo europeo nalla eradicazione delle ideologie dittatoriali del novecento e la sua opposizione a quest'ultime. Trovo inoltre la reazione di Farage come un segno di estrema maleducazione: non condividere un opinione è sempre leggittimo, ma credo che sia essenziale mantenere un clima di rispettosa collaborazione anche nei confronti di chi ha colore o idee diverse dalle proprie; specialmente in parlamento dove si condivide il ruolo di rappresentanza del popolo e espressione del volere dello stesso. Farage avrebbe avuto la possibilità di ribattere anche senza quella sceneggiata.
The Italian guy: *speaks Latin*
France, Britanny, Germany, Romania, Turkey, greece and Spain:
*ay shit here we go again*
To be fair a lot of UK's politicians have learned Latin at University.
Turkey? Wtf
@@mariorossi9944 vergognati Mario Rossi, il latino rimane e rimarrà una lingua imponente e solenne, per non parlare della bellezza e della miriade di motti e aforismi che se ne possono ricavare
@@flusdock8526 Mi schiero indubbiamente con il suo punto di vista. Il latino è una lingua endemicamente solenne e legata ad un passato di glorie. Sopratutto è la base dell'italiano che parliamo tutti i giorni.
do not forget portugal
all gangsta before Italian start spoke Latin. Cit
Grazie a Dio non gli ha risposto in inglese
@@lorenzopalpacelli2245 guarda che lo stai dicendo di uno che parla a livello professionale Spagnolo e Francese, e che in Inglese comunque sa parlare decentemente. Tajani è tutto fuorché ignorante.
Gaius Octavius Thurinus' angry *intensifies*
Typer j. Simpson Tajani non sarà un ignorante e siamo d’accordo. Ma l’UE è al capolinea, non la vuole più nessuno..
@@typerj.simpson6519 Dal punto di vista grammaticale il tuo discorso non fà una grinza ,ma dal punto di vista di uno storico Tajani è un emerito ignorante e dice un mucchio di castronerie .....
Tajani: "Risus abundat in ore stultorum."
European Parliament: "Ah, I see you are a Man of Culture as well"
Yeah, just a classic establishment nonsense slogan.
EU was born in 1992, before we had just economic agreements between european countries (carbon and steel).
NATO was the only peace keeper
@@theweb3182 the beginning of the EU goes back to 1952 and not 1992
@@gustavschnitzel Open a book you are so ignorant.
> 1952: carbon and steel economic community (nothing related to a peace keeping)
> 1992: EU, but still not able to keep the peace, because it's not a federal government
NATO was and is the only peace keeper in Europe
@@theweb3182 No, you are the ignorant one. You don't understand what peacekeeping means. You don't understand how a war is prevented. The carbon and steel economic community was meant to share the resources that are important to conduct a war. And if these resources are shared, it becomes very unrealistic that the countries who share it, will fight each other. Of course the EU keeps peace. When was the last time that EU-members fought each other? Never. Open a book yourself before you call someone ignorant, fool.
You just proving that I'm right.
1945 NATO, after just council of Europe, so nothing military able to keep the peace.
1992 EU but up to today continue to be not a military peace keeper.
Just NATO kept and keeping the peace with military presence
Tajani looks like Robert De Niro
Yup, a 5’7” douchebag
Yes, but in the Joker, LoL
I had the same opinion before whatching this comment
you talkin' to me?
@@MrSemglory bam bam bam
S T A R I N G I N T E N S I F IE S
And then he talked about dictatorship and autoritarism
Well done to whomever wrote the subtitles lol
SOS!
True story
Lmao
"Onorevole farage la suggerirò per il ruolo di kapò"
1. The Nazi regime was defeated by USA and UK. Without US help even the soviet Union would have fall during WW2. 2. The Soviet Union was collapsed due to Hungary and Poland long and bloody straggle. Just take a look on Hungarian anti-Soviet revolution of 1956 and the Polish people fight during all 70th. Salvini never would have sad such a stupidity!
@@rupigabor6219 Hungary and Poland are both part of the European Union indeed
@@Martin6465 after what Gabor, rightly, said.
Just one thing, is not Salvini, but Tajani.
And,as an italian, I just can say that Farage is completely right. Just hope that Italy will take the same decision that England took as soon as possible
@@rupigabor6219 also the USSR helped defeating the Nazi, let's not forget their heroic efforts
@@MrWolf-xk8sl - Without the American aids and also weapon transport the Russian would have lost that war. In think the Communism was very similar to Nazism. Stalin also killed many Jews in Soviet Union.
Bellissimi i sottotitoli "(Sguardi incrociati intensi)" 😂
Apparte che sono completamente sbagliati hahahahah
@Elite xxxx what? Dude are you drunk or something? Ognuno parla la lingua che vuole, certamente non sarà un inglese qualunque a farci smettere
@Elite xxxx learn Italian
"Risus abundat in ore stultorum", Holy sheet, what perfect timing to say that phrase. I'll added to my list of latin phrases
Orwell's novel 1984: “Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past.”
Italian generals riding around with ss Nazi generals when they was winning the war and then when the Germans was losing the war the Italians turncoat the Germans in favour of the usa and uk these words came from my 98year old Uncle
if you are going to try to contradict me by "deny the truth of (a statement) by asserting the opposite"it was my Uncle, not my grandad ! and he was there was you ? has the last four years of bios Misinformation, lies and media spin and forty seven years under the UE, learnt you leftys nothing, it is obvious the EU paid teachers have done there job well !
He Is Just ignorant..
those that don't learn from history are bound to repeat it ,George Santayana 1905 and orwells 1984 is slowly coming true FOOL !
@Amaze World Yep! TOOOOOO much Alter Wine!!
Peace.
risus abundat in ore stultorum...SBAAAAAAAAAAM!
Peccato che risum è un neutro ma vbb
@@diegeigergarnele7975 no
@@fioranilo vero ho detto una cazzata abnorme AHAHAHA. La mia prof del liceo mi lincerebbe
Che risposta del cazzo... Quindi se rido alle cazzate di salvini vuol dire che lui ha ragione? Come fai a dire che l Europa ha sconfitto nazismo e comunismo senza far ridere la gente? Che pagliacci che siete...
@@freedomordeath89 prima di tutto stai calmo che nessuno qui ha detto di essere d'accordo con il significato del video.
Io non mi troverei mai d'accordo con uno che ride in faccia a qualcuno che sta esponendo un opinione. È una mancanza di rispetto spaventosa e chiunque si atteggi così ha meno diritto a portare avanti una carriera politica che qualcuno che ha proposto un'idea non condivisibile.
Quale è la morale: la morale è che al cavaliere nero non gli dovete cagare il c...o.
Hahhahahaahhaha
Ahahahhaha grazie
Ahahahahahahahahaha
Hahahah tooop
Farage is just a clown ___bla bla ...
"Acta est fabula, plaudite! Daje! Li mortacci tua!"
ahahhahahahahahahahha
😂😂😂😂😂😂
You can see Tajani's hatred for Farage oozing from gritted teeth.
sure, weak dogs hate the boss, normal
Farage is by far the better man.
@@seanbs249 with any luck u get assimilated forever in debt to your overlords
Bill Franklin better man at what? Being stupid??
@@SaraidLullaby
He's not the one twisting history here.
Roman Empire and Greece gave birth to Western Civilization
Francis Greece?
@@mrgeorgesrb7688 have you ever heard about _hellenistic period_ ?
Srbin 037 have you ever opened a book?
valex0691 Byzantine Empire is not the Greece,sorry bro... 😉
@@mrgeorgesrb7688 You're right, Greek and Romans are older! Greets from Switzerland, relatively younger 😁
The thing is when you use latin it sounds as if you're right regardless of what you said, lol.
And?
@@redcrown5070 and?
Haahahqhaahahahah 😅😅👏🏻
(Staring at Farage) (Staring intensifies....) who wrote the captions😂
I saw that lol
As it was a translation, I think someone was speaking Italian (staring intensifies) 🤣🤣🤣
1:32 quel momento di imbarazzo di quando la prof chiede : "interrogazione. Allora qualche volontario?"
E tutti che abbassano lo sguardo sul libro facendo finta di non aver sentito
Haahahahahah
In quel momento mi aspettavo quasi un porcone urlato 😂😂😂
Verissimo ahahah
Imbarazzo rotto dallo scandire terrificante delle lettere del mio cognome.
The universe was brought into existence when the EU voted it in.
🤣🤣🤣
@Richard Moloney 🤣
musetorn
They probably believe that
The Big Bang was an EU Directive apparently
@Boomer Galactica actually the universe happened when Chuck Norris sneeze and farted at the same time. This is why we have hypothesis of parallel universes
Man, i undertood everything the italian said even though i have never studied italian.🇪🇺🇮🇹🇷🇴
Nice
I feel it
Bravo!😉
Me too. I read the subtitles.
Siete fortunati in Romania con sta cosa
Oh wait, does Tajani know that one of the most influental person who created EEC was Altiero Spinelli Italian communist, who was even political prisoner during facist regime?
I think I know it. But after all communist regime in wester Europe was at the same level of Nazi Germany
I don't think that knowing that played any role in what he was saying, actually.
Do you know that Italian communist party was the first one in Europe to detach from URSS?
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E aloooora
Rosida Andriyana
NO WAY
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Ueeh alòra
Hahah
I am Italian. And I don't like who laughs to someone representing something he has asked to join. All the rest is ARS ORATORIA
Farage non ha mai chiesto di entrare in Europa però.
Forse intendevi che rappresentava un paese (UK) che tempo addietro chiese di unirsi alla CEE?
Se sì, è vero che alla CEE volevano unirsi, ma evidentemente erano presenti notevoli perplessità sull'evoluzione di questa in UE che poi hanno portato alla scelta della Brexit.
Resta il fatto che ridere in faccia a qualcuno mentre questo sta parlando sia maleducato, tuttavia, Tajani aveva detto una cazzata, non può esser stata l'UE a salvarci da comunismo e nazismo visto che all'epoca nemmeno era in progetto una UE.
Il Regno Unito, numeri alla mano, è cresciuto esponenzialmente proprio nel periodo in cui si è unito alla CEE, ma questo gli inglesi l'hanno rimosso in fretta. Le perplessità? Si, certo, ricordassero dov'era l'economia britannica prima di entrare nella CEE e poi ne riparliamo. Ora vedremo cosa sapranno fare da soli, ma non dimenticassero chi gli ha permesso di tornare ad essere un'economia sana. Ci vorrebbe una hard brexit affinché il buon Farage capisca il senso del termine "gratitudine"
@@LastViolator Che io sappia Farage si lamenta anche della poca democrazia della UE, su cui ha ragione e su cui ricordo avesse fatto molta campagna elettorale.
Sulla questione economica hai ragione però, visto che andava storcendo i dati per far sembrare che l'UK sebbene contribuente attivo alla UE non ricevesse nulla indietro o che avesse altro che da perdere nel restare (cosa non vera).
Secondo me avrebbe fatto meglio a lottare per democratizzare l'unione anzichè cercare di uscirne.
@@PRODAt3, è un discorso molto complesso, e tu stesso hai in parte centrato il punto. Ad un esame d'interpretariato nel 94 (attenzione all'anno..), il mio insegnante di francese ricordava come gli inglesi ce l'hanno per vizio il volersi sentire "diversi", a cominciare dalla guida a sinistra per finire alle loro unità di misura. Le lamentele britanniche ce le sorbiamo da decenni (la Thatcher diceva sempre "our money back") dimenticando chi gli aveva permesso di poter far crescere e prosperare la propria economia.
Ora, è ovvio che far parte di una comunità implica la perdita di alcuni diritti: se entro in un club, devo accettarne diritti e doveri, giusto? Ora, la natura furbesca e quasi viscida dei negoziatori britannici si è pienamente vista quando, durante i negoziati brexit (ti rammento, NON ancora conclusi dopo 4 anni: ecco come l'avevano preparata bene certi irresponsabili, eh!) hanno inizialmente chiesto di poter far parte del mercato unico (i vantaggi) senza però stare alle regole della libera circolazione delle persone (i doveri)! Furbacchioni, o sbaglio? Loro ci possono invadere di merci, noi non possiamo manco andare a vivere in Inghilterra! Bene, io sarei per l'hard brexit con tanto di dogane e dazi in entrata come in uscita; poi voglio vedere a chi li vendono le loro merci questi furbacchioni... agli africani? A Trump? O sperano di fare alleanze con Russi e Cinesi?
Che l'UE dev'essere rivista, ci sta, sono d'accordo. Ma non parliamo dei britannici, o forse dovrei dire degli inglesi e gallesi, visto che Scozia e Irlanda del Nord sono favorevoli in maggioranza all'UE. Il mio sogno? La disintegrazione del Regno Unito con uscita di scozzesi e nord irlandesi dal Regno Unito e il loro ritorno in Europa... allora si che vorrei vedere la faccia di quel grandissimo BUGIARDO di Farage (perché da come ne parli, sei cosciente di tutte le balle da codice penale che si è inventato per vincere il referendum - il re della fake news, quel viscido schifoso xenofobo).
@@LastViolator I negoziati sono stati anche ampiamente osteggiati dalla UE che va detto, sapeva che la May non intendeva guidare una Brexit e l'idea comune da entrambe le parti era tirarla alla lunga per poi fare un secondo referendum e rimanere in UE.
Cosa che non sono riusciti a fare, democraticamente han fatto un voto ed è giusto rispettarlo, io son daccordo con Farage sul fatto che l'Europa non sia fatta bene e che non sia sufficientemente democratica, meno sul come ha deciso di impostare la campagna elettorale, però è anche vero che gli inglesi non si sentono europei ed hanno un eccezionalismo non da poco, il che da una parte non è un male per loro visto che la UE sta diventando uno strumento di supremazia tedesco, come la crisi attuale sta ben dimostrando.
Mi aspetto che la UE non duri molto a questo punto, a causa di ciò che sta succedendo con la risposta europea al coronavirus cinese e mi auguro che se un suo successore dovesse venir creato possa esser fatto con gli strumenti di democrazia reale che auspicava anche Farage ma cui pesava troppo il culo darsi da fare per creare quando poteva.
I totally disagree with Farage and his ideas, but it cannot be considered that "the two dictatorships have disappeared thanks to the European Union". Even in consideration of the important role of the EU in international relations, Tajani's statement was too simplistic and untrue compared to the complexity of the events that led to the end of the two dictatorships. On the other hand, the EU was officially born with the Maastricht Treaty of 1992, while the European Economic Community (EEC) with the Treaty of Rome of 25 March 1957. Both had little to do with Nazism, considering the inexorable decline with the end of the Second World War (1945) and the indispensable intervention of the United States. A completely marginal role also in the dissolution of the USSR. We agree on respect for opinions, but the story must be told objectively. And I say this as an Italian and a pro-European.
You are correct, and I think his real thought was something like this: the EU helped its members fight against renewal of dictatorships in the after war. But I agree if that was his thought, like I think, it was pretty badly stated. Farage could have made his point without being a c*nt though, but then again, it wouldn't be Farage. The president of the Parliament was right to scold him for his childish behaviour, even if he was wrong on the historical facts. Anyway, I think noone regrets Farage in Bruxelles.
As an Italian across the pond, I couldn't agree with you more. How long did Britain fight on her own, 8 months or so, against the Nazis? Churchill and Gorbachev my two favourite statesman from the last century.
@@markussf5702Well said. The European Union dictatorship following Marxism and WEF.
@@republica7337
8 months ....more like 3 Years
2:50
1991: URSS falls
2004: Eastern european countries (excluded Romania and Bulgaria) join EU
Are you kidding me?
It takes years of negotiating and treaties to join any international organization my dude. The Uk didn’t officially leave the EU in 2016.
@@enniodimauor7561 And maybe you also know in which year did this States begin the negotiations..
@@enniodimauor7561 im sorry but being forcefully occupied for many a year after a war you got fucked in for seemingly no reason and then seeing your nation suffer, revolts brutally suppressed and the West watching helplessly of course the eventually freed soviet republics of Eastern Europe would rush to the EU. They were given a chance that their people had suffered and been murdered for on a platter.
EU and Europe are different things. The legal join is not the real join. After 1991, many ex URSS countries created social and work net with the EU. The reunion of Germany was the first "official" step of this process but it was not the only one. The CEE birth it's one of the many reasons why we are free and not under a communist dictator. This is a historical fact.
@@federico8177 fra se usi le sigle italiane si fa più confusione che altro
Risus abundat in ore stultorum. ❤️
@Iwa Ti imploro...sarà anche un problema del touch screen comunque sia rileggi e correggi :)
@Iwa leuropeisti.....:):) un neologismo !!
@Iwa "LEUROPEISTI"ma veramente?
@Iwa No stupido burattino microcefalo, ma scommetto che é il tuo padrone
Penso che la figura dello stolto qui l'abbia fatta solo Tajani non conoscendo i fatti della storia. È vero, Farage ha sbagliato a ridere, ma ha perfettamente ragione perché i fatti sono fatti.
I'm Italian and Tajani in my country is worth less than 0 is just a politician who is afraid of losing his annuity and to avoid there ...
With you there Andrea!
@werner van gelder Thattaboy! Change the subject! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!! What a tosser! Go back to the other thread we were both commenting on just moments ago, the one you bailed out of!
weener van gelder ... What a weakling you are ... deleting your posts and having my perfectly ok and honest responses removed with them on another thread today .... you aren't fit to call yourself a man and you aren't fit to clean my shoes. You are one of life's losers who feel the need to lie about their qualifications in an attempt to appear as clever ... I caught you out on that and you then deleted your posts .... priceless! Gutless tosser.
ma che cazzo dici ?
@werner van gelder You fool .... Andrea stated in her post that she was Italian!
The problem about EU is that it is an economical alliance, not a people's union
A self generated and self claimed union !
You are right, is definitely far from being a union. I’d say it’s even far from being an economical alliance too.
@@ea635 Just figure out how could such an unfair deal called €urozone be trusted ....
while one of the partners (Holland) is allowed acting as a fiscal paradise for top corporates
Bruxelles keeps preaching strict austerity policy for the others :-) :-) :-)
Does Mrs.Von der Leyen think we're a pack of
idiots ?
Greetings from Milan.
The EU president is so dumb that he doesn't know that the Union was not founded 70 years ago 🤣😂
@@theweb3182 Try reading some historical books. CECA (the ancient EU) was founded in 1952. "Risus abundat in ore stultorum"
Roman Empire *intensifies*
“You should respect the ideas of other people” no Tajani, you’re talking about history, not ideas. You can’t rewrite history.
I’m Italian and this man is outrageous. He represents perfectly what’s wrong with Eu.
Bea, stava semplicemente intendendo che dalle ceneri e dagli orrori della seconda guerra mondiale è nata l’Europa, a voler rappresentare un sentimento di cooperazione e fratellanza tra gli Stati europei volto a sradicare definitivamente i nazionalismi che condussero agli orrori della guerra. Non a caso le prime bozze di unione interstatale nacquero proprio al termine della 2GM.
Possibile che non ci arriviate? Non è difficile.
Andrea Leonti Tajani ha detto che le dittature sono SCOMPARSE grazie all’Ue; poi, dopo l’intervento di Farage, ha corretto il tiro dicendo che il comunismo è scomparso con l’annessione di paesi dell’est all’Unione. Anche questa seconda affermazione è scorretta e semplicistica, e sicuramente in mala fede, perché mi rifiuto di credere che Tajani abbia conoscenze di così basso livello.
Bea r non ha conoscenze di così basso livello. È evidente. E proprio per questo il senso era da intendersi come da me precisato.
Invece preferite accanirvi sul senso letterale della frase, quando qui Tajani (che è DISTANTISSIMO dalle mie posizioni politiche) ha messo a tacere e dato una lezione di educazione e rispetto ad un cretino come Farage
Andrea Leonti se il senso era quello avrebbe dovuto dire quello, invece ha messo in fila una serie di errori madornali, penso che neanche il più asino degli asini in storia potrebbe arrivare a tanto. I casi sono due o Tajani è veramente ignorante e non sa esprimersi o è in mala fede e sa benissimo cosa sta dicendo: visto che la retorica dell’Ue come portatrice di cooperazione, fratellanza ecc ecc non funziona più molto bene, ora si prova a dire che grazie all’Ue ci siamo salvati da nazismo, comunismo e chi più ne ha più ne metta. Auguri a chi ci crede.
@Andrea Leonti: Ha dato una lezione di educazione e rispetto?!?! Ma cosa diavolo stai dicendo? Ha FALSIFICATO la storia, ha sparato una vagonata di castronerie, si è arrampicato sugli specchi che all'Europa intera fischiano le orecchie, si è comportato da incivile e cafone, oltre che da cretino integrale con la coda di paglia, ha coperto di ridicolo l'Italia intera, e gli stupidi saremmo noi che dovevamo capire che lui intendeva dire tutto il contrario di quello che ha detto e poi ancora ribadito? E il cretino sarebbe Farage? Ma per piacere!
Yes. I still remember that time when Herman Von Rompuy put Hitler and Stalin in a Deadly-double choke hold and brought an end to both their regimes
@Seine O'More
Yes
I need to study up on my history.
Why people don’t understand that Tajani said that “Europe defeated Nazism” means that thanks to Europe nowadays things like Nazism are almost impossible to take place (at least in European countries)
Then should he not say defending? They most certainly did not defeat it unless being conquered by nazi was a big plan all along?
Thats your interpretation of what he said, most others seem to hear something very different. As farage said - disingenuous to allies such as the Americans. Europe didn't defeat Nazism alone. & If we're going to be totally correct some of Europe created it.
No, he clearly is a clueless idiot. He even claimed that communism in the Soviet Union ended when Eastern European countries joined the EU, which is idiotic since all of the Eastern European countries that are in the EU nowadays, joined after the Soviet Union ended.
@@gail9299 you hear something different that you do not understand?
@@sssd3461 no i hear something that is at very best a stretch on the facts to suit his rhetoric.
all gangsta until risus abundat in ore stultorum
Germany Italy and Japan were the axis of evil... so the EUs Italy and Germany saved us from the Nazis? Allo Allo...Woda mistaka to maka!
Not sure why you're laughing at the axis comment ML...perhaps a skewed vision of history. Poles and Czechs are independent states in an ill thought out union controlled once again by the Germans.
He doesn't get irony
the italians changed sides in the war though. they weren't like germany or austria.
parlare del nazi-fascismo perché l'Italia e la Germania erano alleate, sarebbe come dire che la monarchia inglese e il capitalismo americano erano comunisti perche alleati di Stalin. (talk about Nazi-fascism because Italy and Germany were allies, it would be like saying that the British monarchy and the American capitalism were communists because allies of Stalin)
per fortuna si.
He rambles, "Thank God these two dictatorships have vanished due to the European Union." What is he smoking?
Artful Dodger it’s clear that, historically, the Nazism and Comunism have been defeated by the Allies. What he said and meant it’s just that after the horrors of the war the European citizens wanted to establish mutual ideals of brotherhood and cooperation, to definetly bury all those nationalism feelings that led to the WW2 atrocities.
He should change his pusher
@@freedomordeath89 uk should join african union😂😂😂😂
@@freedomordeath89 In the last 75 years since the end of world war II, the biggest 44 economies in the world have not been in conflict with each other. Such peace has not been seen since the fall of the Roman Empire, and that's a historical fact.
@@bramvanopdenbosch3743 I'm Italian, I'm european. I despise populists and I know that the EU brought economic prosperity and development.
BUT I also have a history Phd and I know for a fact that this peace was brought by NATO and by the Pax Americana, not by the EU.
I don't want to leave the EU, but the EU is not perfect, its a mess with 30 different states always fighting each others because they have different interest, the bruxelles burocracy is blind and not that effective.
THE ONLY thing I like about the EU is the common currency and the common bank.
I agree that my original comment was too harsh, it was a bad period in my life and in my country's history, now things are better and I can see more clearly.
I was blaming many italian problems on the EU because my politicians lied to me back then. Now I am more clear minded. But I still dont like the political side of the EU, I like the "technical" institutions, the common research, bank, regulations etc, but it's far from being perfect. And I can still vouch that the EU has nothing to do with world peace, that's a USA achievement.
1:23 single frame
Farage be like: tajani 1v1 in cod mw2
The EU didn’t exist during the 2nd world war
Daniel Oliver it shouldn’t exist now!
hobbsey1 no ur wrong The Eu is great and it will continue to be
Nazi ideologist suggested European Union
@@alessandrovitagliano7137 how is the EU great look at what has become the EU every country under there control (yes i said control) is going under dig a little deeper in those in control of EU you will see. you will lose your voice to vote or any kind of speech did you vote for these guys nope
Alessandro Vitagliano yes, it’s wonderful. So wonderful that the far right vote across Europe is increasingly massively since it’s freedom of free movement.
Farage vs. The globalists
Farage is a globalist who hates Europe. A man funded by offshore Aaron Banks on 450K year and a luxury house in Chelsea!!
Gar Sm jealous. Much?
Gar Sm Rubbish
@@BossySwan Farage and Banks are both globalists.
Gar Sm I’m struggling to reconcile your statement with actual facts and reality.
Reading some of the comments, I realise there seems to be a misunderstanding. Mr. Tajani said the EU helped defeat the dictatorships of the 20th century: that is, for the most part, not factually true (the EU was born after the fall of nazi germany and the end of world war 2 and while I can see where he is coming from when he talks about communism in eastern Europe, it seems to me that the causes for the fall of the eastern block are a lot more nuanced).
That said, I think the validity of the message still stands: the EU has defeated fascism, national socialism and communism because it has been able to marginalize nationalism and authoritarian ideals by creating a sense of common identity between european nations (which is sadly being slowly eroded by buffoons like Orban and, in a less human-rights-violating way, Farage and Johnson). Europe has never known a longer period of continuous peace and relative prosperity for the entirety of it's history and while other factors may have contributed to this outcome, the existence of the EU is certainly prominent among them.
That is just my opinion and, while i cannot read in Tajani's mind, I think that is what he meant.
Also, now that the UK is plunging ever deeper into the shitter, this clip looks more like the sinking of the Titanic, with the difference that the captain decided to abandon the ship. Just saying.
Well said.
EU was born in 1992, before we had just NATO (military peace keeper) and economic european treaties on carbon and steel.
Tajani is completely ignorant, like his party leader: Berlusconi
@@theweb3182 we agree on the lack of esteem in those people, but I think Francesco’s point of view on the message Tajani wanted to share is correct.
He was referring to the fact the EU has stopped the communist dictators by taking the eastern countries and forbidden the new nazis to rise again, this is not happening in usa for instance, just look at kkk, white supremacy and other junks that we don't have in the EU. Tajani was actually correct.
EU stopped communism and nazi is a baseless claim 😄
Maybe you are one of them
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I’m no Italian but how many times did he say respect?
I'm italian . He said too much for nothing . Farage were completely right and Tajani it 's only one more clown in this circus
If Taiani had respect for the place he occupies he would have to step down ..... he doesn't even know what respect is, his party in Italy was founded by a man named "Marcello dell'Utri" a mobster .... that's who we have in the European parliament
@@isivip1 this is not the way to debate, even in front of a nonsense
@@biez71 your opinion .
@Bainsworth ..... sacred hall of WHAT ??????? ridicolous .......
His a good example why the Brits need to leave the EU
This is a good example why everyone wants Uk out of EU
Farage has no respect for those he disagrees with. A man funded by offshore Aaron Banks on 450K year and a luxury house in Chelsea!!
@Sword of S Fine. Let him publish his tax returns and then voters can judge.
@@garsm2290 And the corrupt EU council who are funded by George Soros who is one evil human being.
@@jimbrown4386 Yeah, Soros the Jew. The narrative doesn't change does it ....
The European Union that wasn't even created until the 1960s somehow destroyed the Nazis. Brilliant knowledge of history Mr. Tajani.
Guy must still be pissed about what the Yanks did by showing up and bringing freedom to Europe back in the 40's or ....how his mom won't shut up about all the GIs she fell in love with!
Tajani certainly does not represent Italy, Italians and Italians abroad. Taking history lessons from someone who founded Forza Italia with Berlusconi, a laugh. Zero credibility.
AMEN FRATELLO!
Thank you Sir, you have said it all.
Bravo è un coglione Tajani
mah, almeno nel 94 ci han salvato dai comunisti
Cypter difatti guarda dove ci hanno portati :)
And all this from an Italian. How would he know which side won, they didn't know which side to fight for!
We fought with the Germans til surrender.. Just saying
You're right, it was the Russians who won the II WW
Haha, the Italians couldn't win on hook a duck.
@@MrDjlamoffat Who's the duck, you?
@@Luna-nj9zd The duck is the country which ducked fighting for democracy in WW2 you prick! That was .. yes ... the fascist Italians who fought alongside Hitler in support of Nazism!
"*staring intensifies*"
Watch this with the captions on trust me
My Grandad was injured in WW1, in WW2 my uncle was killed in a Lancaster Bomber, and my Dad was in the RAF, this is a disgrace to all who died and fought to liberate Europe.
@@blitzwing1 you're are the dumbest person I've ever seen, did you graduate University?
@@blitzwing1 every country that the British empire has colonised is doing far better now than they would do if we didnt.
Slavery lasted less than 200yrs one of the smallest and least important slave trades in the world and is dwarfed in size in comparison to the slave trades we have in africa both back then and today.
Colonisation was a peaceful process whitch is why despite possible killings or wars there has never been any evidence for the British carrying out a genocide at any point in history.
@@joshuadrew6246 Exactly just look at America, Canada, Australia etc etc
@@blitzwing1 how can we ever be a half decent nation with people like you in it
Not to mention a terrible terrible waste
We didn't ask to join the EU. We we're supposed to join a free trading union. Not a political union.
And you did! the European Community (formerly EEC) is a free trade community that forms one of the pillars of the EU. I don't know what country you're from so I don't know who proposed the treaty for the entry of your country.
The decision to join the EU comes from local governments, that the citizens elect and that are in charge to represent the willing of the people who elected them. That’s how politic works.
Andrea Leonti - Yes democracy through the back door, it's the EU way; and you wonder why it's in the mess it's in!?
Cornelius Von Barron no, that’s how every government works. You elect someone to represent you and he makes decisions, whether you agree or not. If you agree you’re happy, if you don’t you’ll vote for the parties opposing those ideas or decisions.
Andrea leonti - Our politicians in the main only concentrate on domestic issues - as they should - europe is on the periphery of all debate, that's why the labour party increased it's vote share in the last election; it was nothing to do with europe. It's this diluting of democracy that people are rebelling against, I see your lessons from Tajani here, are bearing fruit.
There's a Latin quote that says " Whatever is said in Latin sounds more serious"
Why did we not get any interpretation on the Italian @ 3:00 ?
💯% on Nigel's side...even though I'm Italian.
Metoo (HAHA!)
Me too
Ma poi tajani è de forza italia, but wath se stamo to talking about
Qualcuno ha notato che assomiglia sempre più di faccia e di voce al Paolo Stoppa gerarchetto fascista (film Peppone-don Camillo). A Taja', but make me the pleasure!
E fai male.
Tajani sarà un leccaculo di Silvio, ma Farage è un coglione bugiardo che ha raccontato l suo popolo che con la Brexit sarebbero diventati più ricchi.
Oltre a tutto, dopo che è passato il referendum, si è andato a nascondere come un codardo e ha lasciato che gli altri si prendessero tutte le patate bollenti in culo.
Ora torna, dopo aver fatto un disastro, e accusa altri di non essere in grado di rimediare alle sue cazzate.
Un buffone in piena regola.
E comunque fanculo Tajani.
I don't think the EU is given enough credit for inventing penicillin, putting the first man on the moon or its greatest feat - beating Sonny Liston in 1964.
arthur lewis ... ha ha ha ha !!!! Nice one!
You forgot the wheel and sliced bread.
And there development of the one way mirror.
@@came6939 And ... the industrial revolution!
We all owe them a debt for creating the railways so we can travel
Tajani the "genius": EU toppled communism
Reagan and Gorbachev: am I a joke to you?
Im glad the representatives of the UK in the EU parliament respect the USA as we respect them. Im proud that the UK is our greatest ally.
EDIT: Thanks for 30 likes, I find it hilarious how people are getting mad about this comment 4 months after I posted it.
EDIT: Thanks for 60 likes, I find it hilarious how people are getting mad about this comment 7 months after I posted it.
you would have to shut up, because while in the 7 year war England shot cannonballs at you while Europe (France and Savoy) saved your ass ...
@@ilkrankavalierenekro56 you really are an arrogant twat with little to no respect
@@danieljohnson4994 no i'm just telling you the truth about yours history
@@ilkrankavalierenekro56 While France may have saved our ass, the USA saved the UK twice. If it wasnt for us then the people of the United Kingdom would be speaking German.
@@sexyfiretoes8402 to a point yes not trying to downplay history but I think we could have survived with out the usa might take longer but Soviets would have pushed back german and europe may be communist but history is history no one can change it
Sorry, world, we Italians aren't all like Tajani. He misrepresents us.
it's ok...we know.
You don't have to apologize for him. We get it.
Tajani is stupid. Salvini is great !
French people support Salvini !
@ the germans too...
Why? What's wrong with saying that thanks to the EU this continent has avoided the uprising of wars or totalitarian regimes? He was 100 accurate, but his words were twisted.
is he on about when they first sided with the nazis or when the switched sides half way thru...
Italian generals riding around with ss Nazi generals when they was winning the war and then when the Germans was losing the war the Italians turncoat the Germans in favour of the usa and uk these words came from my 98year old Uncle
@@dillanmaneny859 he isn't the most intelligent fella i suppose
some people don't like the truth
Perché i sottotitoli in "italiano" non corrispondono alle parole nella stessa lingua?
An Italian talking about the Second World War and trying to suggest he was on the right side. Absolutely laughable.
I'm italian too and I can affirm he didn't say anything like that.
He just said that thanks to the UE 70 years of peace were guarantied.
And to be clear not all italians were fascist... Many were and still are antifascist. Maybe and just maybe countries like UK and many others should try not to be so close and full of themselves and should try to cooperate more with us.
@@federicogentile1576 The UK wants to cooperate but not as part of a federalist state.
@@freespeechisneverwrong9351 and I respect the choice that UK made...
If you don't want to be a part of someting tha doesn't fits you it's ok...
But thinking that you're better than us just because you left or just because we did some terrible mistakes 70 years ago it is disrespectfull for our generation and for all of them we lost along the way fighting against these horrible mistakes that all the countries in europe did in the 20th century.
Ad to be clear too i want to say to Mr. Farage that in wwII we had thousands of lost lifes too so having 30000 british soldiers life on our country doesn't make him any better. And his laugh was just wrong and not to be done in that situation, in that place, with all those other countries watching.
@@federicogentile1576 No one thinks they are better than you. That’s not even mentioned. You are now making things up. The UK wants independence. I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone thinks that a problem.
Meanwhile the uk has every right to challenge an Italian on lies about the EU and the Second World War. In fact Farage did not claim that Britain saved Europe. He firmly stated that the US saved Europe.
If you cannot take criticism then you shouldn’t fabricate a story which is untrue (lies).
0:57 "That's what the democracy all about" Proceeds to tell him to stay quiet..
Doesn't really tell him to shut up, he allows him to speak but says he'll have to be respectful, which is fair enough
boy you need to pay more attention b4 you spread out BS @JonatasAdoM
JonatasAdoM that makes absolutely no sense. He’s not telling him to be quiet in general, he’s telling him to be silent while he finishes his point and speaks in his allotted time period
the subtitles:
1:21 STARING AT FARAGE
1:25 STARING INTENSIFIES
the stare battle
😂😂😂
IF LOOKS COULD KILL.
The closed captions are amazing "Staring intensifies..."
anyone who understands italian, can u please briefly translate what tajani said...
00:49 che mina frate
Sei cosi ignorante da non sapere che 70 anni fa l'Unione Europea manco esisteva CAPRA!
@@theweb3182 nel 1950 nasce la Ceca, che é la prima comunità paraeuropea, il mercato europeo nel 58 con piena attuazione le 62,lumione europea nasce con il trattato di Maastricht nel 92,di certo non esiste da 70 anni, ma di sicuro da quando si é iniziato a vivere le cose in maniere più comunitaria, i conflitti sono diminuiti drasticamente.
@Rosida Andriyana what do you kean with that?
@@lel6624
And you say we write strangely look at this Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
@@lel6624 oh shit sorry i wanted to write to her not to you my mistake
Some one pass that poor guy a time line of at least the last 100 years and then pass that same hand out to the majority of that room, it seems a lot of people have got their order of events mixed up.
Even the EEC came after WW2.
Exactly. The EU was formed in 1993, 2 years after the Soviet fall. EEC was 56 or something. About 10 years after Nazis were defeated.
"No one forced the UK to join the European Union"
Yes they did and his name was Edward Heath.
È un po' da mani in faccia Farage
They ask for respect... But who elected them?!
They elected themselves. They know what's best. So shut up and get in line.
People who bothered to vote voted for the Meps, like in the UK parliament, and the commissioner has to be approved by the MEPs ,that doesnt happen in the UK parliament with regards to the head of the civil service so by that token the EU is more democratic than the UK 🤔
who elected your dictatorship queen?
Lukas Graham ? You do realise the queen has no power right? She is just a figure head.
@@Kaifkahn figure head but she and all royal family live from your money.
Antonio Tajani needs to go back to school and learn history.
Mr Tajani responds at interest of his master Berlusconi and at jewish lobbies of globalization, like Mr Geroge Soros who finances the import of africans in Italy. We in Italy now have a strange situation. Not left against right, but sovranist (left 5 stars and rght Lega of Matteo Salvini) against pro globalization (left partito democratico and rgiht Forza Italia of Mr Berlusconi). We know that Mr Soros finances the english party for a new vote on Brexit, because jewish lobbies as you know have many citizenship but always only one nation that's jewish nation, because jewish religion is also a nation. They are afraid of nationalism and want only open society with many religions and many cuture. Here in Italy with Berlusconi and others allied they control main streem in newspapers and brodcasting television, but on the socials Matteo Salvini succeed in all elections where he is present. Tehey tell him that he is fascist, but it's not true; he is only a nationalist like Garibaldi, Mazzini and others patriots of the 19Th century. democracy is the only way to rule. But the eurpean establishment wants create a monster with no national identity. Fascism and nazism were defeted by democracy of Britain, USA, and as well as by comunism dictature of Soviet Union as we know and Mr Tajani is a Billy Lier has to go back to school.
@rad4579 Why? Is it not true that the EU has guaranteed the longest peace period that Europe has never met? Is it not true that the UE made the huge contribute to the end of Soviet's Regime in 1991? Is it not true that the EU has avoided that new Hitler or Mussolini may get the power in their own nations? This the *truth* definetly, and I would like to say "thank you" to Mr Schuman and all other people who contribute to found and develop the EU along more than 70 years nowadays.
@@robertoorsi5771 oh yess! Deve tornare a scuola a calci nel culo (per essere buoni)!
@@rikybologna3579 The Balkans are in Europe .....had a nice war 1990 which the EU didn't stop.
@@philmcdonald4778 You are confusing the EU and the Europe.
0:45 Menandro
Ma menandro è greco scusa
Listening from New Zealand, and I thought we had problems!!!🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️🤦♀️
Mr Taajani, you dont even know the history of your own country let alone the history of the Europe.
Ahh yes the terroist from england killing over 1 billion people
the Italian Nazi packed turn coats
You should remember the great contribution of Romani to the civilization of Britannia (without them, you would be as violent as Germani ... or Farage)
@@yallowrosa We do remember,but we only kept the good bits.
@@yallowrosa Don't confuse these Italians with Roman's. Caesar would be disgusted by these lazy fools.
Can this be a new epic rap battle of history?
Oh boy, if looks could kill.
The subtitle is gold
Right there is the problem. How can such a clueless man be President of that place? Farage told him, though.
Barney Miller yo.
This Italian is from a different dimension
All Eurofanatics are.
@DwarvishPasty italy wasn't nazi, but fascist and in '43 there was a coup and started a civilwar.
He's just a moron
Minuto 1:30 attivate sottotitoli in Italiano
What i see are two men confused about history.
I only see that tajani is speaking facts and farage is behaving like a child
@@psichopath3286 yeah i remember the infamous EU vs Soviet Russia. Oh wait, the Soviet republics just got real lucky that their new leader was really willing to allow more freedoms thanks to American influence. The Americans could've left Europe alome and saved a shit ton of money just to watch it fall to communism. That Italian guy is stretching really far, the EU was nothing to the Soviets aside from UN task force aid and diplomatic leverage against them in the UN.
@@psichopath3286 you're such a sheep
@@jasejase2886 am I? Or maybe you are. Insulting without reasoning doesn’t have any sense
@@psichopath3286 insulting without a reason why shall I waste my time educating a sheep, the only advice I can give you go read a book about ww2 or study history , but knowing how you can't even spell psychopath right I bet you're just a kid if not then honestly that's just sad .
0:29 The ECSC was founded in 1951, six years after the end of WW2. The EU (as it is today) was founded in 1993, two years after the fall of Soviet Communism.
2:55 The first Eastern European country to join the EU was in 2004, 13 years after the fall of the Soviet Union. The fact that all these lies are being said in a 'parliament' is astonishing, I think Mr Tajani needs a history lesson ASAP.
@Boomer Galactica what?
@Boomer Galactica are you saying I'm central european?
@Boomer Galactica then why are you saying central European?
Europe is different from European union
@@starter9780 I'm aware
What was Tajani thinking the numpty , Farage a day keeps the EU at bay .
Epic battle, should be put in the books.
The EU don't keep books very well, they need to hide their corruption somehow.
I mean I'd also be laughing if the Italian guy speaking about Hitler's and Stalin's dictatorships forgot to mention Mussolini
It worries me how many people in that room agreed with Tajini's ridiculous lie.
These people are diehard marxists.
@@stefanitaalexandru8132 I don't think you should mention retards, maybe just a bit to close to home,
@@georgerj2419 If they were marxists they would have rightly acknowledged the USSR being the main country responsible for the downfall of Nazism and to a certain extent Russia being the downfall of the USSR as a whole. They aren't marxists but liberals.
@JS C that's why we must make it very clear when we leave that irespective of what may happen in the future never again will there be British boots on European soil their not worth the sacrifice
That,s becouse they are all leftie,s lunatics, who want to hand over Europe including Great Brittain to the arabs and make Europe one big Islamic state. Look at Zweden ,France ,Germany, Italia, and so on and so on and so on. These people are fascists and so very ,very ,very dangerous.
My god, that Italian guy (nice to put a face to authority) is a piece of work! What an absurd claim that the EU brought down the Nazis! How can he make such a breathtaking statement?! That wasn't in the history books when I was in school a mere decade ago, and I I'd be shocked if it was now. He isn't trying to re-write history, he's blocking his ears and screaming his EU fan-fiction version, which from a pulpit as high as his, seems very dangerous.
Also, as someone from Ireland, what is he trying to say about our supposed neutrality?
Every time I hear EU leaders speak I am dismayed by their ideological ferver, and how distant and machine-like it all seems.
He isn't rewriting history, as Farage says. I can speak both languages, and what you're basically doing is listening to what Farage says, and not to Tajani, because you can't understand the language he speaks. To make an opinion over another opinion which you didn't even listen, is what's laughable. Tajani didn't say the EU brought down the Nazis. Never. He said the communist rule ended when more and more countries joined the west and the european union.
@@MrLuigi35000Vr I am only beggining to learn italian, but as a brazillian who speaks both portuguese and some spanish (two leanguages that a close to italian) i can easily uderstand what Tajani is saing (with the exception of one or two words that i can look up) and he does say that nazism brought down nazism! I think you might have missed it. Also there are english subtitles so the guy above can understand whar Tajani says.
MrLuigi35000Vr No, ha detto chiaramente "queste due dittature sono scomparse grazie all'UE". Una boiata pazzesca, un po' come quella che l'UE ci ha garantito la pace.
The video doesn't show the full contest of the discussion. Of course Nazi and Fascist have been defeated during WWII but the CECA-EURATOM and CEE first and UE after determined that all kind of totalitarism are less possible to happen again.
L'UE ha dato stabilita al Continente e stiamo vivendo il piu lungo periodo di pace che abbia vissuto l'Europa. È un dato di fatto incontrovertibile.
Correction, the UK has joined the European Community, not that cesspool which is our current EU.
i like the way they allowed Antonio to have the last word they are now starting new tricks
Did Tajani forget Mussolini and his alliance with Hitler ?
Do you forget that Mussolini took the power through violence and that he did not represent the will of all Italians?
@@bobostyle1996 that is how Nazi came about in Germany not all Germans where Nazis but tony Giorgio is right both countries where fascists and allies.
For some members of Royal family before 2nd World War Germany and Italy were partners
@@tomtams8584 Hitler wins DEMOCRATICALLY the elections in 1933, Mussolini did not takes the majority in the elections (1921) so he just take the power making a type of pact with the king and the italian people, the nazism dictatorship and the fascism dictatorship are different, Mussolini was forced to find a deal with all other minorities (such as catholics) except communist, and he was forced to collaborate with all social class (included the workers and the farmers)... So i am not defending Mussolini, i am not that type of person, but in Italy after El-Alamein the fascism lose all the support from minorities and social class except for the people who were fascist, it's obvious that the king after Allies arrives in Sicily wanted break the alliance with Mussolini, so with Hitler too, i want to say that we did not change side to win but to rebel to the fascism dictatorship and the Allies were in a comune front with us, the same thing happened many times in history, say this thank you to read all and don't blame me for English please (it's a bit complicated to explain in English these concepts so sorry for grammatical error)
Why, oh why are we wasting our time with these people. We need to leave now. The EU won the war, I do not think so.
Blaz Blaz really look at America’s past they’ve changed history more times then I’ve had to change a lightbulb.
LEAVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
This moron forgets the part ( historically) that the Italians played in joining with the Nazis....
but where are Count Dooku and Senator Queen Padme Amigdala?
Mmmm, Tajani era nel partito monarchico o mi ricordo male?
Love Nige. Watch him preparing for the kill is a joy.
It's like watching a volcano ready to pop its top, isn't it? Delightful!
Do you understand that Tajani just wants to be respected? Most people accuse Tajani of something strange, but he just asked to have respect.
~ Relativo
You cannot pretend respect after saying nonsensical stuff.
Tajani was hugely wrong on the role of the European Union in the destruction of both nazism and comunism. That is alarming, especially considering that Tajani saw in first person the collapse of the Soviet Union and the born of the European Union.
In Italy, we call what Tajani did a "figura di merda".
Respect is a thing, saying bullshits is another... Tajani is an idiot. EU ended Nazism and communism?!?! Really?!?! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
(... and I'm Italian).
@@pippo9830 no, tajani è un saccentello ignorante. Farage ha tutto il mio supporto. Period.
@@pippo9830 si ride a pagliacci come tajani che non sanno nemmeno parlare inglese occupando posti importanti
@@pippo9830 tajani e' un pagliaccio da circo merita tutte le risate in faccia
And everybody seems to forget Serbia... WW1: 16% of total population WW2: 10% of total population
Can someone translate the Italian into English?
The Italians fought with the Nazis during WW2.
have you ever heard about the Resistance? The Partigiani? I guess no.
@@YouDeserveToDie666 you did.....Even Germany had a resistance
@angry troll secondo te ti prendono sul serio se ti chiami letteralmente "angry troll"??
@@justbrowsing5014 no, it didn't
@angry troll what's that supposed to mean? than what?
This comments area makes me want to throw up. Did Europe exist during World War II? Absolutely not. Does this mean it didn’t help eradicate fascism, Nazism and communism? You can believe this only if you haven’t studied. The idea of Europe, of collaboration and democracy, were and are fundamental to eliminating the nationalisms that are the cause of world wars and dictatorships. My political ideas are different from the Tajani ones, but in this case he is right. I would also like to remind you that Italians know that we were accomplices of the Nazis, but we also remember the partisans who, throughout Italy, died war on them. In Italy we had a Civil War!! I hope that the misunderstandings are due to translation, because in Italian the concept that Tajani expresses is clear.
Sorry for my horrible english, I tried to do the best I can
ITALIANO
Questa area commenti mi fa venire voglia di vomitare. L'Europa esisteva durante la seconda guerra mondiale? Assolutamente no. Questo vuol dire che non abbia contribuito a sradicare fascismo, nazismo e comunismo? Lo puoi credere solo se non hai studiato. L'idea d'Europa, di collaborazione e democratica, erano e sono fondamentali per eliminare i nazionalismi causa delle guerre mondiali e delle dittature. La mia opinione politica è diversa da quella di Tajani, ma in questo caso ha ragione. Ci tengo anche a ricordare che noi italiani sappiamo di essere stati complici dei nazisti ma ricordiamo anche i partigiani che in tutta Italia gli muosero guerra.
Grazie di esistere
Mi hai tolto le parole di bocca❤️
@@cicciobenzina1962 I fatti della storia sono scritti nero su bianco, con milioni di morti alle spalle e tu pensi che le parole di un esponente politico del XXI secolo possano "cambiarli"? É chiaro che Tajani non parlava in senso letterale e Farage ride perché é l'unico in quella sala che non ci é arrivato. (O meglio, magari ci è arrivato e ride per fare scena, più probabile)
Ciccio Benzina grazie per aver risposto ma non mi trovo d'accordo con il tuo ragionamento alla 1984. Credo che sia ovvio dal suo discorso come Tajani non avesse intenzione di cambiare il passato, ma solo di rimarcare il ruolo europeo nalla eradicazione delle ideologie dittatoriali del novecento e la sua opposizione a quest'ultime. Trovo inoltre la reazione di Farage come un segno di estrema maleducazione: non condividere un opinione è sempre leggittimo, ma credo che sia essenziale mantenere un clima di rispettosa collaborazione anche nei confronti di chi ha colore o idee diverse dalle proprie; specialmente in parlamento dove si condivide il ruolo di rappresentanza del popolo e espressione del volere dello stesso. Farage avrebbe avuto la possibilità di ribattere anche senza quella sceneggiata.
he didn't mention italian fascism for some reason🤔
His master Berlusconi even bragged about his party rehabilitating fascists
When you have to many states in one bad idea