What is Reductionism? John Lennox Explores the Good & Bad | John Lennox
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he's a Messenger to scientists
Whatever will we do when John dies? We'll be lost. Who else know everything? Such a lovely humble chap.
He is a wonderful and intelligent man. A true servant of God. I imagine He will be very welcome in Heaven when his time comes. He will be missed so much.
Obviously you missed my sarcasm. @@beemer2869
@@beemer2869 He is a fool!
I was being sarcastic. @@beemer2869
Learn to ask questions. Learn to think logically.
Awesome!!!!
Then God said, “Let the land...
And God said, “Let the water...
And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds...
Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image...
God created the world and life with his WORD!
"the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us"
Amen praise Jesus✝️❤️
When did your loving god make malaria? and then poison us with mercury, and lead.
Then, tsunamis, earthquakes cancer, and lets 15,000 children die every day?
Good
Is John claiming that the human brain/mind "that contains" 80-100 billion neurons can not put
grunts leading to language then to scribbling on a cave wall to books, needs a magic man in the sky
for us to do this?
@gknight4719
Did you read your own comment?
Do you actually believe a mind and brain 🧠 accidentally arrived here?
@gknight4719
You're not an accident. You didn't come from primordial slime.
@@GodSoLoved.Yeshua That's your claim, I did not come from chemistry and physics.
If that is a "truth claim" then the burden of proof is on you.
I guess you think a "magic man" did it?? try and prove that, please
@gknight4719
I can't prove a God, exactly how you can't prove there is no God.
Simply follow the evidence. You can believe your a cosmic accident. But our world has order and design, you don't get that from a cosmic accident or unguided meaningless universe.
Odd in deed.
Lennox needs a bunch of lessons about the philosophy of science! He sounds like an illiterate in the field! Loads of bla, bla, bla, no end!
Atheist ... "Do you know for certain that a god exists?
Theologian ... "YES I DO?
Atheist ... Do you know what the god knows?
Theologian ... "NO!. I do NOT! What God knows is beyond all human ability TO know."
Atheist ... "Then why are you pretending that you do know?"
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I hope the day will come when people realize that ALL religion was and is ... myth ... as have these ex-members of clergy.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins “The word that leaps off the page in this quote is Mary Daly’s use of the word “myth.” Reading her book in conjunction with exegetical analysis of the Old and New Testaments cemented the reality that I had ignored: this “holy book” was a fabrication, a cultural narrative that only truly reflected the mores and values of the people who wrote it. As such, it is a wholly inadequate resource for humanity in the twenty-first century. Once that realization sunk in, I acknowledged that I was architect of this thing or idea that I called God.
As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.”
Does your conversation between Atheist and Theologian qualify as a straw man?
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@@joewright9879
Image of Jesus
Make of me what you will
I can be a Catholic still
Or I can be faithful to Judaism too
You make the rules 'cause you are the fools
A Protestant I can be in this minute
Camouflage comes and goes with the finite
Dreamland is never far away
As glimmers of fantasy lead the way
Playtime is over but still you play
With the image of Jesus both night and day
Someday maybe you will learn
To stand in line and take your turn
In the present you don't want to be
Your desire is bliss for eternity
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April 4th 2014
@@joewright9879 Thankfully … now that hundreds of members of clergy are leaving religion behind ... there is hope for everyone.
From the book ... Apostle to Apostate: The Story of the Clergy Project … authors … Catherine Dunphy, Richard Dawkins
When you are reared to think of your faith and its leaders as infallible, dissent can be an unsettling thing. This is particularly true for clergy, who have devoted their lives to the subject of faith. I therefore especially hope that this story reaches those clergy who have yet to articulate their doubts.
As they struggle through this process, I am thankful that they can look to the Clergy Project as an example of community and humanism as an example of good. As former clergy who have left churches of every denomination, synagogues, mosques, convents, monasteries, and theological institutions, we stand as examples of the reasonableness of doubt and its thoughtful conclusions. I cannot help but think that we offer a compelling voice for why science and secularism do a better job than religion and superstition of answering the so-called ultimate questions.
That was not a very good theologian.!
@@tomgreene1843 Pretend-ology
I suggest that all people that preach religion as being truth from a CREATOR … ARE pretenders.
From the book … The Aldrich Dictionary of Phobias and Other Word Families.
Theologaster … theologian … a pretender to theology
Linguistic reductionism; "Linguistic reductionism is the idea that everything can be described or explained by a language with a limited number of concepts, and combinations of those concepts." Lennox has no proof whatsoever that language cannot or could not be just as useful with fewer concepts. Take for example the idea of Faith. Faith by definition [which pertains to things for which there is no obvious evidence] is believing something/anything for which there no evidence. Faith is often used synonymously with another word Trust. But they are NOT the same thing. So eliminating the definition of faith from the definition of trust would be one way of simplifying language. Ergo; linguistic reductionism. We humans complicate language irrationally when we should be simplifying language with more specific definitions. One thing with Lennox is he speaks "eloquently" [sometimes] and that impresses many people. But some of the ideas he comes up with don't really make sense.
In regards to the [let's call it] the "anti-reductionist menu", Lennox is confounding and confusing two different things. R O A S T is an idea [a thought] but like it or not it is reducible to brain processes, because all ideas reside in and are produced by the brain. It's part of consciousness and consciousness is a prima facia phenomenon of the brain. Without brain there is no consciousness. And there is no other rational explanation of consciousness as being a brain function. Exactly how that works may to some extent still be a mystery but that mystery is insufficient reason to conclude there is anything else, even supernatural, to the phenomenon of consciousness. We humans have an innate character of "anticipating" future events that played a role in our survival as a species. Unfortunately, that "talent" also works on the imagination that leads people to conclude the dumbest things. That's one main reason why people shouldn't believe everything their imagination comes up with. And draw conclusions from the evidence. We humans make language and life complicated. But running away from it into the supernatural is NOT the solution. We've made the world complicated and it's up to US to uncomplicate it. And one good way to start is to STOP using Faith as if it were the same as Trust.
Would it be fair for me to conclude from your statement that the symmetry and complexity we see in nature is logically understandable through the lens of time and random chance?
The simple idea Lennox is proposing is that one can read the word “roast” and know that there is a mind behind the word that describes the reality and that it is just a 5 letter word. If one can conclude that there is a mind behind the 5 letter word, how can one conclude that a word, DNA, with 3.5 billion letters is a product of time and chance rather than the product of a mind? We do complicate things at times.
@@joewright9879 Would anyone believe anything different? What "good" reason would anyone have to ignore the physical world they live in? Do you believe that magicians have supernatural powers? No? Then why believe the biblical claims? That railroad tracks are just a figment of our imagination? Why? Maybe due to the possibility someone could die from what comes down the tracks? You can obtain physical evidence of every character and event and things that took part... If you don't believe everything in your life is the result of Evidence you're wrong. Christians premise their beliefs NOT upon proven [or provable] evidence because there is no evidence for their beliefs. They can't provide evidence or ANY of the supernatural biblical claims. Claims some of which defy the known laws of the physical universe. Wanting something to be "true" and it actually being true are two very different things.
Lennox actually covers this elsewhere when he says the root word is fides which means all those things
Once again. He makes very little sense and tells anecdotal stories with no point
Be more specific. Give examples of your objection.
In mathematics, I believe one might call it “showing your work”.
Think Mr Lennox confuses himself with all these fancy words . Does he not live in reality just supernatural fances
fances
If god existed there would be no reason to prove his existence
no u
@@Overcrook65 we are the result of quantum fluctuations, evolution and unimaginable stretches of time but if that goes beyond your intellectual ceiling, by all means; stick with the narrative of the celestial wizard who shook the universe out of his sleeve :)
@@walterdaems57 That's an interesting theory, I see it as a false dichotomy as it represents a mistake of category. Unfortunately I don't have time to delve into this as I have to write an angry letter to NASA and SETI asking them to stop looking for alien life. Because if there were extraterrestrial life, there would be no reason to prove it, right?
But how do you disprove the existence of God?
@@joewright9879 I can’t. It’s impossible to disprove the existence of Father Christmas, the Easter bunny, leprechauns, trolls, elves and god(s). And on a second note; god does exist; undoubtedly; under the roof of every believers skull where he resides and should be protected by all means because once he leaves these very limited surroundings he is bound to dissolve in thin air :)