If only this came out 6-12 months after it did. 4mb ram version would have been perfect. This is also a vastly underrated gem of a game...Graphics wich capture 90's marvel perfectly, music that is amazing, and character popping from every pixel. Great comparison.
I bought the PAL version when it was released and it was totally unplayable I thought it was broken so I returned it for a replacement. Only to find the same issue with that. I think it was only moving about 5 frames a second! I’m surprised nobody ever seems to mention that.
The 1MB RAM adds room for quite a bit of animation. Most characters have almost every single frame intact with 1MB RAM active. Juggy and Blackheart still don't gain their original walk cycles though. This game has a great "Capcom arcade-era" soundtrack and a very interesting gameplay system.
I remember testing the difference in animation in versus mode with and without the 1MB cart. Most noticeable you could see the ducking animation reinstated, among probably most of the other frames. The real issue with the Saturn version was the extreme slow down on Blackheart and Hulk's stages (especially with some of the bigger characters). Maybe one day someone could remedy it, similar to what was done with Dracula X on the Saturn.
@@J-gritty That's not accurate - At the time MSH was released there was only a 1MB cart option. The 3MB refers to the initial 2MB in the Saturn with the additional 1MB cart for 3MB. The extra 1MB cart was enough for the animation, the real issue was the poor performance of the game itself.
For people in 2024 who still don't know the truth or don't understand what is shown on this video: Saturn version is not good with or without ram,PS1 is the best for this game for multiple reasons: -better sound(missing sounds on saturn(water sounds on wolverine stage) and music loop unlike on ps1 -shorter loading times -Taunt and gem with with select button on ps1 more practical,whereas on saturn you have to press L +R which will make you jump most of the time -More slowdown on saturn underwater fight with big characters and certain stages(juggernaut blackheart hulk thanos dr doom)(blackheart stage) -more options on ps1(screen adjust and bgm se volume) -Timings for combos are changed on saturn,within a combo,each hit/animation of a move stays longer at the screen so you have to slowdown the rythm of the combo,whereas on ps1 timing are more like arcade version.
I do find it ironic that the very same people who bash SNES games for including any extra power they need in the cartridge itself, give Saturn games that require/work better with a RAM cart a free pass.
Not really true. The Saturn port of X-Men vs Street Fighter uses the 4MB cart. And that one is practically arcade perfect and blew the PS1 port out of the water. The issue is that 1MB simply wasn't enough. For this game in particular. While the PS1 version had less slowdown, there was still slowdown. Both ports were optimized as much as possible for their respective release windows. But the Saturn had that 4MB expansion cart and this game came out before it did and simply wasn't made compatible with it. Which is a shame since this likely would have been a near perfect port.
@@SomeOrangeCat Because the extra hardware on the cartridge makes the game more expensive, while the RAM cart can be bought one time and used on all compatible games
Really sad since the Saturn is perfectly capable of making the game play just like the arcade. if only capcom had delayed the game and released it at a later time to have support for the 4mb cart it could have been a near perfect port just like the crossover games.
Por desgracia ni este port ni el de ps1 son buenos, el de ps1 también se ralentiza ligeramente menos que el de saturn pero esto se logró gracias al gran sacrificio que hubo en todas partes en el port de ps1, cuadros de animación de personajes, sonido y los escenarios también se vieron recortados en animaciones y además de que son completamente planos en ps1, supongo que a estas alturas capcom no tenía tanta experiencia desarrollando en Saturn, me pregunto si usando el cartucho de 4 mb de ram se podía hacer un buen port de este juego en Saturn
Eu nunca aceitei essa versão do Sega Saturn. são cenários com muitos quadros de animações e bonecos com vários frames e movimentos acima do que a capcom estava acostumada a converter em games anteriores. Mas graças a este jogo a capcom já estava arquitetando os endereçamentos de gráficos dos futuros games de luta combinando com o cartucho de 4MB com os VDP1 E 2 memórias do console somado ao cartucho acelerando o carregamento das informações para CD.
@@STORMAN_BR A diferença está nos quadros de animação a mais no 1mb, 98% igualmente igual ao arcade. Se fizerem um hack como o cartucho 4mb dá pra melhorar as animações até melhor que o arcade, inclusive o áudio melhor.
@@andreluiscarolino2605cara não tem 98% dos quadros de animação. Não tem nem 60%. Quem jogou arcade pode afirmar isso. Nem tô dizendo q o console não pode fazer. Digo q o port não é bom como poderia ser.
I had Xmen vs SF with the RAM cart and it was almost arcade perfect. I then went and bought MSH and CoTA and thought there was something wrong with the discs lol. For being a "2D powerhouse" the Saturn really needed extra help. The added irony is that the PSX is home to far more interesting and cooler 2D games than the Saturn. Aside from the handful of famous Saturn 2D games like G.Heroes, Radiant Silvergun, there is really nothing of any note. The PSX has got a shit tonne of amazing hidden 2D games like Harmful Park, Gradius Gaiden, that amazing Gundam fighter, Stalker, etc. The Saturn had Try Rush Deppy! Lol. I paid $30 for that piece of sh*t in 2001 and that was still too much
It actually plays worse than it looks, because it has a lot of input delay and feels laggy, with or without 1mb. A rare miss from Capcom on the Saturn.
I'd read before that the game ran even slower with the upgrade and its noticable. A definite missed opportunity seeing games like SFA2 have near perfect translations without the RAM expansion.
Seems like you need to really know what to look for. EDIT: Aha, rock missing in the flame backdrop and the carousel is not turning. Okay, so it's there.
The real question here is: Did the price of these RAM carts offset what they gave you? I get it was a one-and-done purchase, but how many of these do you think Sega actually sold?
The RAM upgrade was only beneficial if programmed for properly; similar to the N64 upgrade. The early upgrade carts probably didn't have the best optimization, compared to those of later titles. The 1MB RAM carts walked so the 4MB RAM carts could run lol
I used to wish a lot back in the day, that sony would drop a Ram increase cartdridge for my ps1... it never did and we, ps1 users, where locked with the worst version of thoose amazing 2d games.
@@SomeOrangeCat All true, but after playng SF vs Xmen on a friend Saturn, i wish i was able to play it like that too. And saturn 3d wasnt that worst then ps1. Then the Dreamcast came with games like Snk Vs Capcom and Marvel vs Capcom and blew everyones mind.
Praticamente não dá pra ver qualquer diferença, com coisas muito sutis que as pessoas comentam, mas que no gameplay ficam imperceptíveis. Esse tipo de jogo foi o carro chefe do Saturn, o pior sistema criado pela Sega pela insistência na dupla de CPUs RISC, um conceito obtuso na tentativa de ganhar desempenho e que também não deu certo no 32X, nem no Jaguar. No final, se chegava a conclusão de SEMPRE que era MUITO melhor aplicar mais memória ou clock ao hardware, só que tarde demais.
A quantidade de quadros de animação extra com o cartucho de RAM é impressionante, mas a gameplay em sí parece levemente (bem levemente mesmo) melhor sem ele. Infelizmente não tivemos um port caseiro desse game à altura do arcade. Só imagino o que poderia ter sido usando o cartucho de 4mb...
For this game it is actually true. Ps version has less frames true, but sound is better, load times are quicker and general gameplay is faster. I still have both versions, and the saturn version is a big let down for me. Even doing combos is way harder in this version...
This one is kinda hard to pick a winner, but I am going to have to go with the Sega Saturn on this one.
Perhaps 😎
😅
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Lmao
Yeah but the Sega Saturn version is still playable if there's no other alternatives. But yeah the Sega Saturn IS the go to version.
If only this came out 6-12 months after it did. 4mb ram version would have been perfect. This is also a vastly underrated gem of a game...Graphics wich capture 90's marvel perfectly, music that is amazing, and character popping from every pixel. Great comparison.
Marvel vs Capcom 1 tambien pudo haberse porteado para Saturn de forma "Perfecta" destrozando a la Pobre version PS1.
hehe, gem
Gem??? How?? It's not aracde perfecr
@@albertsmith99 infinity gems
Is it possible the mod community can fix that?
This game need a hack version with 4MB ❤
Well you can emulate the actual arcade version as well
@@ZaGoudou Arcade versions don't have dedicated versus mode and friendlier OPTION menus.
I bought the PAL version when it was released and it was totally unplayable I thought it was broken so I returned it for a replacement. Only to find the same issue with that. I think it was only moving about 5 frames a second! I’m surprised nobody ever seems to mention that.
That 1mb barley do anything for the Blackheart level
Haha I SEE YOU REG! 😉 🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻🔥😂
REGGIE !!
The 1MB RAM adds room for quite a bit of animation. Most characters have almost every single frame intact with 1MB RAM active. Juggy and Blackheart still don't gain their original walk cycles though.
This game has a great "Capcom arcade-era" soundtrack and a very interesting gameplay system.
I remember testing the difference in animation in versus mode with and without the 1MB cart. Most noticeable you could see the ducking animation reinstated, among probably most of the other frames. The real issue with the Saturn version was the extreme slow down on Blackheart and Hulk's stages (especially with some of the bigger characters). Maybe one day someone could remedy it, similar to what was done with Dracula X on the Saturn.
I’d love to see it!!!
Yall do know that even though it says 3mb it's only using 1mb because of bad optimization from developers...😢
@@J-gritty That's not accurate - At the time MSH was released there was only a 1MB cart option. The 3MB refers to the initial 2MB in the Saturn with the additional 1MB cart for 3MB. The extra 1MB cart was enough for the animation, the real issue was the poor performance of the game itself.
For people in 2024 who still don't know the truth or don't understand what is shown on this video:
Saturn version is not good with or without ram,PS1 is the best for this game for multiple reasons:
-better sound(missing sounds on saturn(water sounds on wolverine stage) and music loop unlike on ps1
-shorter loading times
-Taunt and gem with with select button on ps1 more practical,whereas on saturn you have to press L +R which will make you jump most of the time
-More slowdown on saturn underwater fight with big characters and certain stages(juggernaut blackheart hulk thanos dr doom)(blackheart stage)
-more options on ps1(screen adjust and bgm se volume)
-Timings for combos are changed on saturn,within a combo,each hit/animation of a move stays longer at the screen so you have to slowdown the rythm of the combo,whereas on ps1 timing are more like arcade version.
I do find it ironic that the very same people who bash SNES games for including any extra power they need in the cartridge itself, give Saturn games that require/work better with a RAM cart a free pass.
Not really true. The Saturn port of X-Men vs Street Fighter uses the 4MB cart. And that one is practically arcade perfect and blew the PS1 port out of the water.
The issue is that 1MB simply wasn't enough. For this game in particular. While the PS1 version had less slowdown, there was still slowdown. Both ports were optimized as much as possible for their respective release windows. But the Saturn had that 4MB expansion cart and this game came out before it did and simply wasn't made compatible with it. Which is a shame since this likely would have been a near perfect port.
@@SomeOrangeCat Because the extra hardware on the cartridge makes the game more expensive, while the RAM cart can be bought one time and used on all compatible games
@@l3rvn0 Their issue is that one is cheating, and one isn't.
Really sad since the Saturn is perfectly capable of making the game play just like the arcade. if only capcom had delayed the game and released it at a later time to have support for the 4mb cart it could have been a near perfect port just like the crossover games.
One thing we can all agree on is if the Saturn was to face off against the Saturn the Saturn would win. So we are all winners here.
Look man. I've said it before and I will say it again, if you are waiting for me to say it again, remember I've said it before.
@@ulysses2162 😂
مارفل سوبر هيروز على السيجا ساترن تحتاج إلى نسخة مهكرة تستخدم ٤ميغا بايت ❤
why you're not mashing the buttons during the loading screens???
Por desgracia ni este port ni el de ps1 son buenos, el de ps1 también se ralentiza ligeramente menos que el de saturn pero esto se logró gracias al gran sacrificio que hubo en todas partes en el port de ps1, cuadros de animación de personajes, sonido y los escenarios también se vieron recortados en animaciones y además de que son completamente planos en ps1, supongo que a estas alturas capcom no tenía tanta experiencia desarrollando en Saturn, me pregunto si usando el cartucho de 4 mb de ram se podía hacer un buen port de este juego en Saturn
The good old days when Sega kept fighting itself.
saturn sempre vai ser o meu console de 5 geração preferido pois eu priorizava os arcades
Most gamers wanted more for their money though. For a lot of people $50 for a no-frills arcade game just wasn't cutting it any more.
Eu nunca aceitei essa versão do Sega Saturn. são cenários com muitos quadros de animações e bonecos com vários frames e movimentos acima do que a capcom estava acostumada a converter em games anteriores. Mas graças a este jogo a capcom já estava arquitetando os endereçamentos de gráficos dos futuros games de luta combinando com o cartucho de 4MB com os VDP1 E 2 memórias do console somado ao cartucho acelerando o carregamento das informações para CD.
Não vi diferença nenhuma entre as versões.
Ainda bem, eu vejo alguns comentário e me sinto um cego, ao menos somos 2 para a instituição Padre Chico.
Problema que em alguns senarios com muita animação.
Com personagem grandes fica muito lentos..
@@STORMAN_BR A diferença está nos quadros de animação a mais no 1mb, 98% igualmente igual ao arcade. Se fizerem um hack como o cartucho 4mb dá pra melhorar as animações até melhor que o arcade, inclusive o áudio melhor.
@@andreluiscarolino2605cara não tem 98% dos quadros de animação. Não tem nem 60%. Quem jogou arcade pode afirmar isso. Nem tô dizendo q o console não pode fazer. Digo q o port não é bom como poderia ser.
@@scorpionmk6695 Se é 98% igual ou nem 60%, eu não sei dizer, acho que eu dei uma opinião de entusiasta.
I had Xmen vs SF with the RAM cart and it was almost arcade perfect. I then went and bought MSH and CoTA and thought there was something wrong with the discs lol. For being a "2D powerhouse" the Saturn really needed extra help.
The added irony is that the PSX is home to far more interesting and cooler 2D games than the Saturn. Aside from the handful of famous Saturn 2D games like G.Heroes, Radiant Silvergun, there is really nothing of any note.
The PSX has got a shit tonne of amazing hidden 2D games like Harmful Park, Gradius Gaiden, that amazing Gundam fighter, Stalker, etc.
The Saturn had Try Rush Deppy! Lol. I paid $30 for that piece of sh*t in 2001 and that was still too much
This game is interesting. I'm reminded of being at the mall in the arcade room , the good ol' times
From what I can gleam from the comments, the extra RAM allows the system to make use of more of the game’s sprites for character animation.
Hope some day somebody will hack it to use the 4 mb of ram cartridge, will be a perfect port
Loading times both horrible. I dont remember framerate being this bad
It actually plays worse than it looks, because it has a lot of input delay and feels laggy, with or without 1mb. A rare miss from Capcom on the Saturn.
The Saturn was truly heaven sent from the Sega Gods : D
I can't tell any difference, sorry.
Não entendi nada, ta mais fluido sem o cartão de RAM!!!! E não vi diferença a favor da versão com cartucho de RAM.....
O cartão ajuda a ter mais animações eu acho
Na versão com cartucho, lembro do Magneto mechendo as mãos parado. Na versão sem cartucho, os braços ficavam estáticos, por exemplo.
Still have my copy and the action replay ram cart! I forgot how bad some Saturn games handled audio
Playstation Wins!!
I'd read before that the game ran even slower with the upgrade and its noticable. A definite missed opportunity seeing games like SFA2 have near perfect translations without the RAM expansion.
Seems like you need to really know what to look for. EDIT: Aha, rock missing in the flame backdrop and the carousel is not turning. Okay, so it's there.
*amazing & fun game* ⭐️
1mb win. more fluid combat and better animations.
Qual que roda com o cartucho de 1mb? o primeiro?
The one on the right
@@CullenRotten vlw
Saturn 🪐
Best of Best
Saturn tá quase morrendo. O framerate é sofrivél.
The real question here is: Did the price of these RAM carts offset what they gave you? I get it was a one-and-done purchase, but how many of these do you think Sega actually sold?
The RAM upgrade was only beneficial if programmed for properly; similar to the N64 upgrade. The early upgrade carts probably didn't have the best optimization, compared to those of later titles. The 1MB RAM carts walked so the 4MB RAM carts could run lol
I used to wish a lot back in the day, that sony would drop a Ram increase cartdridge for my ps1... it never did and we, ps1 users, where locked with the worst version of thoose amazing 2d games.
The future was 3-D and history shows Sony was correct.
@@SomeOrangeCat All true, but after playng SF vs Xmen on a friend Saturn, i wish i was able to play it like that too. And saturn 3d wasnt that worst then ps1.
Then the Dreamcast came with games like Snk Vs Capcom and Marvel vs Capcom and blew everyones mind.
Oh segasaturn was the best 2d console when back then nobody cares a fuck about 2d.
I think it's ironic that Sega designed a system that was so steeped in 2D, when they are the ones who helped usher 3D gaming into the arcades.
I like more Sega Saturn 💪🏻
Praticamente não dá pra ver qualquer diferença, com coisas muito sutis que as pessoas comentam, mas que no gameplay ficam imperceptíveis. Esse tipo de jogo foi o carro chefe do Saturn, o pior sistema criado pela Sega pela insistência na dupla de CPUs RISC, um conceito obtuso na tentativa de ganhar desempenho e que também não deu certo no 32X, nem no Jaguar. No final, se chegava a conclusão de SEMPRE que era MUITO melhor aplicar mais memória ou clock ao hardware, só que tarde demais.
Worst ending ever.
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A quantidade de quadros de animação extra com o cartucho de RAM é impressionante, mas a gameplay em sí parece levemente (bem levemente mesmo) melhor sem ele.
Infelizmente não tivemos um port caseiro desse game à altura do arcade.
Só imagino o que poderia ter sido usando o cartucho de 4mb...
No hay diferencias 👌
The Winner is PS1
~CONGRATULATION SONY~
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For this game it is actually true. Ps version has less frames true, but sound is better, load times are quicker and general gameplay is faster. I still have both versions, and the saturn version is a big let down for me. Even doing combos is way harder in this version...
@@fernandonogueira8402 I'm already used to it back then, it's like doing a combo underwater 🤣.