Top XP & The Reason We Lost
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- Опубликовано: 13 янв 2025
- XP is a flawed way to look at battle impact, and I often see it misused to show game impact.
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I didn't see you making comments to your team about how trash they are. Otherwise, great example of what not to do. :D
"There's nothing more I could do and I was flawless in MY decision making." is WoWs universal motto.
followed closely by , "I got mine. Don't care if we win or lose."
Honestly I'm fine with statement #2. If people played the game and had genuine enjoyment, that's fine by me.
@@blusafe1 except that this is a collaborative game, a team effort. But true, I agree, it's the lesser of the two evils.
@@blusafe1 Some people take enjoyment from maxing damage to conscious detriment of actually playing for the win. Or they enjoy actually griefing other players. And I don't think that is ever ok in a MMO.
You don't need to be good. You don't need to put a lot of effort in if you don't feel like it. But you should never intentionally play AGANST your teams best interest to win, because then you are putting your enjoyment over that of other players, and that is not ok.
>There's nothing more I could do and I was flawless in MY decision making
The Dunning-Kruger effect in a nutshell
Playing a DD in a unselfish (=correct) manner will rarely put you high up in the ranks.
I so appreciate a DD that will spot and screen because it really increases the chances of a team win. I've played DDs like this and if your true to your team instead of looking for whales it hurts your personal score but helps the team in spades. I cant stand when a DD holds back or abandons an entire flank leaving everyone else the only options to not push or eat torps to push for position.
If spotted damage could give xp to DD, then maybe more DD will play accurately
@@Sindor33 I find most of the time, I can spot 5+ targets, wind up with 10-30k spotting damage. Your presmise makes sense, until you have to rely on folks who can't shoot a fish in a barrel just cause MM stuck you in the fight as "They'll float the team".
im a new DD player after crossing over from a dd hunting DM. I find it quiet easy to top xp or top 3 playing unselfish. Biggest issue ive found is that some team mates dont know how to accept help, smoke an over extended team mate so they can safety turn and kite but they will sit nose in and let the smoke run out.
I’ve definitely noticed this when I’m playing kitakaze. About once every couple games there will usually be a point where I smoke up to shoot a BB or CL that my team is focusing and he goes undetected due to that. I think that’s my main thing to work on as a DD player
I always give compliments to the players on my team who make a big impact, not necessarily the top scorer. I’m usually in the top half of scorers on my team, but I know I’m far from the best player and I like to reward people who do play well
Im the same. I do agree with what you said.
I fully agree. Once pulled on a double strike in my first T-61 game, got comped. I keep comping people who do well.
Consoles do not have cross over communication
Same
For a player of your "Calibre" (pardon the pun) to post something like this, makes it one of the best youtubes posted on the game so far!
Onya Tater' and regards from down under.
Laying out what you did wrong and admitting your mistakes really takes a lot of guts to do. You should be proud of yourself right now after making this.
Thank you so much for these guides going over how to be better. I miss these kinds of videos from the CCs and its super needed and helpful!
Sometimes you don't get the time to help. People rush in one at a time get focus fired and then spend time complaining. Had a game last less than 7 minutes managed just over 26k damage and I came top.
Great idea for a video PQ! Ppl willing to learn will greatly benefit from it. Thanks for helping the community!
Nice thumbnail, really brings out my nice side.
Humility is a virtue PQ! Good video, thanks for spreading that awareness!
In Asia server that I played, BBs tend to be island campers and snipers.
I once play tanking roles, in my newly acquired Pommern. I thought that is what might help my team. But my experiences told me I 100% would be farmed to death very soon by red fire-starter CAs and red sniping BBs.
Unless your team-mates advance together and support each other, else BB tanking just doesn't work in current meta.
Now I only use my Pommern solely for Coop games.
Chat at the end was totally sane - no rage, genuine advice that was well received - can't be a wows game :)
By far the biggest thing any of us could to do get better is: 1.) Purchase the wargaming company. 2.) Direct development to Install a skills based matchmaker. 3.) Problem solved.
Skill based Matchmaker won't fix any issues. This has been beaten to death. Leave it alone.
@@icecaptain9378 A skills based matchmaker would actually fix nearly ALL issues with the game. And only a tiny group of no-skill seal-clubbing wimps wouldn't have a better experience from it. I'm guessing you are in that category.
Just wish tanking pot damage would equate to more xp or any proper use of a BB
Thank you for making this video! More people need to reflect if they want to get better at this game.
Great wisdom, very insightful, and so true. Thank you for the honest self evaluation.
The pagoda must be higher.
Title and thumbnail scared me for a second.
I had a game in the Monaghan yesterday.
Same map.
Same double CV per team.
Same Fuso sniping around, full hp even when the game was clearly lost for us. I got 3 deserved kills, shot down a bunch of planes and all, but the Fuso came 1st by xp somehow.
Good thing it was on the EU server and I'm not on RUclips yelling at a superunicum :D
Can you make a video on how to best manage distance to the enemy team? I struggle with knowing when to first turn away when pushing in BB's. I like what you said about evaluating this based on HP (or how long you live for), but I would like to hear more on your evaluation and decision making process in real time.
That is highly situational. Your ship, your build, team support, enemy ships' deployment, map, battle mode, your playstyle. There are no hard & fast rules here. The Sailing Robin does an excellent running commentary of his thought processes. But generally speaking, you need to look over your own shoulder while playing, and constantly take note what works, what doesn't, and why.
It is not easy. To this day I don't really understand why I play the Yorck and the Roon rather well, but utterly suck in the Hipper. I like playing the Gneisenau WAY more aggressively than I should be able to get away with, but somehow I make it work -- but I can't get the same effect on a Tirpitz. You never stop learning.
A general rule of thumb I (56% WR player) follow for BB positioning is this: The closest spotted enemy threat should be within +/- 1-2 km of my concealment range.
The important words here are "spotted" and "threat". An unspotted DD 9 km away from your 14 km concealment BB can certainly be a threat, but if you know their general location you can be mostly safe from them. The ships that are spotted and that you're shooting at will be behind their DD, aka the ideal 12-16 km range.
And of course a ship that's 5 km away from you isn't a threat if they're on the other side of a tall island.
Every rule has its exceptions though. There can be unspotted threats that can kill you very quickly. Think of an island-camping DM or Worcester while you're being spotted by that DD 9 km away. Your options here are 1) move outside of that cruiser's range (passive play that's valid in the early game); 2) move closer to the island so their shells can't arc over (very risky especially with a DD lurking, but sometimes necessary); or 3) change your position relative to the island so they can't shoot over the taller part of the island, or move such that in order to shoot you the cruiser would be spotted by your teammates on the other side of the island (often the best but hardest to execute option).
@@KarthikVishwamitra See, that rule of thumb -- which obviously works well enough for you -- would be much too passive in my book. My rule of thumb in early play is "all ahead full until you find an island to work with". Whether that is the nearest one, or some island even further ahead, depends on what ships get spotted where en route.
The island gives you cover from torpedoes from that side, and an opportunity to "go dark" if needed. It can also reduce the amount of incoming fire.
From there on, I attempt to manage the amount of fire I can lay down vs. the amount of fire I can take, with an eye on whether my position is still "current", i.e. whether I should put on more pressure. Falling back is very seldom an option, because you'd be leaving partial cover and expose yourself fully to whatever threats there are. It is usually best to dig in and sell yourself dearly.
I don't consider enemy DDs as special threats. Unless my team decides to lemming off to the other side -- which sometimes happens and usually cannot be helped once you commited yourself in a BB -- I rely on my forward positioning enabling allied cruisers and DDs to engage themselves. Combined with my own firepower and positioning, that should deter all but the most determined YOLO attacks.
This approach usually sees me in secondary range to most enemies I engage. Much closer than what you are suggesting, because that is approprate for the type of ships I prefer (German tree), and my captain builds. Works for me about as well as your approach for you (56%+). That is why I said "it depends" (on too many factors to come up with ONE set of guidelines).
@@DevSolar You're right, different BB's require different playstyles. I made that rule based on my experience in the American, British, and Japanese BB's. I should have specified that although this rule _works_ for all BB's, it may not be optimal for the tankier German or Russian BB's.
I've found that kind of playstyle works wonderfully for SinOP (which is as far as I am up the Russian line). The main problem that can arise from that playstyle is CV's. Sitting stationary next to an island is a death sentence if the enemy has a competent CV player. As it often is, the real answer is "it depends".
The playstyle I outlined _works_ for any BB. I have 56% WR in my Montana that way and I would probably have something similar if I played SinOP the same way. However, 56% is low for that ship (cause it's OP lol), and by playing more aggressive I currently have ~60% WR in it. But sometimes a match will force you to play SinOP like a Montana or vice versa. It depends.
@@KarthikVishwamitra Working with an island != sitting stationary next to it. ;-) Also, by playing forward like that, I usually enjoy the company of cruisers and the like.
Never underestimate the value of teamwork. Gives the enemy something else to shoot at.
-- The Mighty Jingles.
Anyway, if a CV has its planes out for you, you're toast no matter what you do, so...
thanks for this video, gives me something new to consider. as a permanently mediocre player I've had too many games just as you described. Either top ranked farming damage at the back, while losing, or low ranked from a yolo charge. On the whole I tend to be far too aggressive in every ship I play except for the Thunderer, where I always am too passive. your explanation of how to balance them is good food for thought.
if you die early, you were too aggressive, if you end the match with little damage received and an L you were too passive. good rules of thumb. hopefully that gets my winning % up. tired of losing. 2500+ matches and a sub .500 winning percentage is frustrating.
Always read the map. Try covering for your team. Ambush. Be the sore thumb at the flank. Try to flank. When you rush a dd, ask for help. Ambush enemy sides, always announcing your position is bad. Always have an exit ready. Hope it helps.
Outstanding video. Well said. I hope a lot of people see it and take it to heart (although I know they won't).
What tends to drive me nucking futz is I DO push my BBs. Half the time I am throwing the rudder around like a swinging door, and watching DDs and Cruisers up and leave cause they took 1 salvo. I'll tank 3/4 mil in damage, normally go straight to dreadnaught damage recieved, and then get sunk 3-4 seconds before the end of the match.
My only point here, If I'm willing to post a BB out there, the least you can do is stick around too.
This video says not tanking and sitting in the back is being useless, 2 days ago your video titled *Rambling About Deadeye* you were saying battleships can't tank, should not tank and are long range artillery fire support. So which is it?
Thanks PQ for taking "one for the team". Being able to admit fault is a hard concept to grasp, everyone is guilty of at some point.
Here's me HOPING that the current "meta" is going bye-bye. For now, since it's so discouraging to be pummeled so often from so many sources, it's very difficult for "teamwork" to make a win work when it's more often punished than not. Total "steamrolls" are far more common now than in recent memory, while more balanced games seem quite rare! It's perfectly natural to expect most players to "get back" and stay there. While the most "verbal" players completely TRASH the entire team in frustration. Frustration is part of ANY game that's worth playing, iMHO, it's all a matter of degree. You wont make the next game better by being a d-bag about it, nor will it help any player get better. Most players seem to just play MORE passive in the next match.
This is just a game, after all. "Bravery" doesnt foster a win, when you're the only player who is "Brave". While working as a TEAM will always bring better results, seems like WG has a real problem with fostering any kind of TEAM play. When it's easier to be TOXIC than to play as a TEAM, it's bound to foster greater TOXIC behavior. AGAIN IMHO!
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thanks again PQ, it's a far, far better thing you do... lol
This might be a dumb idea, but what about making a video of how you would improve wows
It's not a dumb idea, but finding receptive ears at WG is like finding the Holy Grail.
@@zlatannezic7921 jbg brate kad WG samo mari za profit i nista vise
@@rapkriticar3076 Upravo tako stari moj.
Simple, nerf the shit out of HE spam. THAT is what kills the game. NO ONE can survive for more then a minute under it and forces people to try to play passive all the time because no one likes getting HE spammed to death in the first minutes of the game. HE spam is utterly ridiculous and a game killer.
One issue is the maps are so small and the point system such that helping your team really hurts your personal total because the games end really fast once your team starts to roll the other team. Example: you help your DDs get rid of enemy DDs and your team rolls the other team because of the DD advantage while other players are reaping points on larger ships and the game ends before you can really make up the lost time.
You would net overall more points from stompy wins than from high-scoring losses.
player(start match): oh i should not die early! (stay at back of map)
player(almost end match): oh i still have full hp , i will rush brainlessly ( rush and throw game) .
thanks potato quality...
Really good point that you want to be close enough to at least *get shot at*. Even if battleships can't really "tank" damage the way people sometimes think they can, reducing even by one the guns aimed at other teammates can be extremely useful as team play.
A good video, and I must say I am probably guilty of this a bit but probably not to the extent of sitting on the CV, just because I know how important it is you stay alive. I am more of a cruiser main though so I feel this is more justified.
In standard battles (one with just your home bases) I feel this play style is more suitable as it's really just a slug fest though as a BB you do need to take a bit of heat off your silly cruisers who expose themself too much.
Im a 57% winrate player and id call myself decent enough, but almost always find myself in the top 5 on my team, like 80% of time time, and at LEAST 50% of that 80% im in the top 3. The issue is that im only a decent player yet im playing way better then my teammates. Im good enough to not put myself in a position to get crossfired, but im not good enough yet to know how to effectively position myself to get the maximum amount of impact I can out of that position, most of the time.
The average player is something like 47% so you are doing well above the average lol
upload much appreciated, good stuff.
I NEVER lose in Fuso. Well rarely. 😂 It's one of my top three favorite BB's.
That thing was awesome when ranked was tier 6! Smacks the shit about anything and if someone is brave enough to angle just load he and send RN levels of barbeque! 😂
the way I think of it is back of your team, not the back of the map, so like you want to be behind your teammates so your not the main target.
Are you planning to show t10 italian bb? I cant wait to see the high tier sap.
I'm usually at the top of the table win or lose, because I'm really good and a horrible bastard.
in my experience of wows and wot a lot of players that lose constantly even tho the are topscore of the team, are the most passive and stay in the back and are not agressive when have to and only do that much damage because they take their time instead of risking a gamechanging play
thx for this vid. rly. important to know
True words. Ive carried the last 10 games i played today and lose 7 of them. you can have an impact on the game but you cant win alone.
This reminds me to one time in an epicenter game when an enemy Conqueror said in chat "another 200k damage loss, shit team", while he was running away from the epicenter at the end of the match...
Yeah, it's really simple math: if you play enough games, the potatoes will be in the other team just as often as in yours. so if you play a high number of games and still lose most of them, you might not be the carry you think you are.
I won (ofc not alone) an epicenter game once and I didn't shot a single round the entire game. But our team was capping, and none of them did. the game was over after 5min or so. Crap XP but funny to watch.
Players who do nothing till they are last man standing, get a pile of damage as they die then look at the score and think "I did great!".
i had my best damage game in my warspite, my first 2 salvoes were both dev strikes, i killed 4 ships total, 160k damage. After being lazer focused on my side i go to the enemy cap and realize im the only one left lol. i guess i should have help my team a bit more than just worrying about my side
how can the xp system be fixed to get better gameplay?
Lol the same thing happened with me, i completely ignored the base in epicentre, the enemies capped and we lost, although i was in a kotovsky in tier 7 mm and did try to help my dds at the start but lost like 60 % of my hp doing so, so i went to an island away from the middle and camped 🤣, i lost but i did about 60k dmg and ended up in top 3 in experience.
Thanks full of your vidio I hope the sniping and campers bb can wake up
Sometimes at the end of really bad games for me, I'm amazed to be in the top three in XP or first. I'm like really! I did that little and got 1st. WTF did everyone else do. And I mean the games where i was WAY to aggressive and got blapped pretty quick in the game lol. Or how about the games where I decide to play CV for a change, win the game, contribute alot, yet you start the game with 20 karma and end with 5 bc everyone reports you for "Playing CV" or are salty bc you didn't play how they wanted/expected lol. End Rant
Don't care about karma. It means nothing. I will plus one to good players but reporting others means zero.
You had a 5 game losing streak pushing and trying so most of those losses were also your doing I assume listening to your intro?
Ok, but how about you get the highest base XP of BOTH teams on a defeat?
Then you should probably go looking for a good chiropractor, 'cause your back will hurt :)
Same principles apply. The whole point of this video is XP doesn't matter for actual game contribution.
There's another video made for that. It's called "Some Games Are Lost No Matter What You Do
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Like that one time I got 170k damage, 0 kills using Iowa because I was sitting at the back of the map playing sniper I ended up being the last one alive on my team with 4 low hp battleships and died to em... Lol
Great tips.
battleship full HP at the backline with no kills, farming damage all game scoring over you as the radar cruiser killing several DDs and he believes he did everything right
this game was game over the moment u push the play button
You contributed to the loss, but your feckless DDs actually lost the game.
Still a fair point though.
Recently I had a 300K Amagi Game and lost .........
your whole team had a fairly low impact on the battle it has to be said, always a frustrating kind of game
already frustrated at a 6 game losing streak? I'd call that a good day if I only lose 6 in a row.
Seriously, if the choices is to push in, in a double CV game and get harassed by them entire match for a chance at winning .... or.... sit beside a CV entire match and just farm damage, no CV harassment at all and loose .... I take the loss every day in the week and twice on Friday (because then im drunk A-F).
I play games to enjoy myself and there is no enjoyment at all to play in CV games, so much more enjoyment in loosing in this case, and im far from the only one that feels like this. This could have been a great game, but then WG put CVs into the mix and haven't been able to balance them in 6 years......
Fear and hatred of carriers made you lose this game. Right.
You're too harsh to yourself. Yes, you could do more, but it was the other 11 people who died like flies - you would have to CARRY them to win anyway.
And the real reason of the result is difference in carriers play, not battleships. Those guys with 200-300xp just suicided, and you would have to win the game FOR them. Pepsi was straight suicidal, and your presence a few km closer and "tanking" certainly would not save her, because enemy BB would still shoot a broadside Peps, not you.
Also, enemy team had two divisions (2+3) "in the field" while your team had only lonely Dunk teamed with a weakly playing CV.
Your 100k was perfectly fine to "carry your weight", you just did not carry the whole team. Is it your "fault"? ;)
This game is good example of "how not to carry", but not exactly a showcase of bad play. Sitting in your Fuso and sniping in T6 for 100k would still give you WR way over 50%... which most of "playerbase" can only dream of.
This was really hard to listen to, and I think was not a realistic evaluation of the game. I almost unsubbed I was so offended by the me, me, me theme. That's not something I hear from you in general, and I usually find your channel quite delightful to watch.
ok
I swear i would virtually strangle for doing this lol
I dont think you are the reason you lost. You may have made a mistakes but it was not entirely your fault.
The game is a total shit since last patches. i play less and less because it has become so frustrating
lol come to EU and we see if u can carry looser team :P
well you played the Fuso, that's why you lost :P