Ultimate ASOIAF Theory Iceberg 🧊
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- 7 hours of ASOIAF theories.
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0:00 Intro
3:10 R+L=J
5:42 Robert Strong is the Mountain
7:01 Jon will be resurrected
7:31 The Hound is the gravedigger
8:47 Alleras = Sarella
11:44 Jon is Robb's heir
14:20 The Manderlys will betray the Boltons
16:42 N+A=J
20:51 Lemongate
24:01 Lyanna was the Knight of the Laughing Tree
24:39 Night Lamp
25:50 Oberyn poisoned Tywin
29:52 fAegon is a Blackfyre
34:50 Tyrion was the real target of the Purple Wedding
35:58 Mance wrote the Pink Letter
38:06 Dany will go mad
42:56 Tyrion Targaryen
46:40 Sweetrobin is Littlefinger's son
48:14 Quentyn is alive
49:14 Grand Northern Conspiracy
51:47 A+J=J+C
53:43 Mormont's raven is being skinchanged
55:32 HS=HR
56:10 The Faceless Men caused the Doom
58:30 The Dornish Master Plan
1:00:45 Grand Maester Conspiracy
1:06:22 Loras isn't really injured
1:08:28 Frey Pie
1:12:12 Mance = Rhaegar
1:14:02 Jaime is the valonqar
1:17:00 Quaithe = Shiera Seastar
1:20:07 Sansa is Littlefinger's daughter
1:21:44 Euron is a fraud
1:25:07 Jon will marry Sansa
1:29:20 Euron was a student of Bloodraven
1:31:30 Jojen Paste
1:34:49 Theon is the hooded man
1:36:05 Euron = Daario
1:37:47 Bolt-On
1:40:14 The Mountain is actually a nice guy
1:42:30 Cersei killed Joffrey
1:43:45 ASOIAF is part of the Lovecraft universe
1:45:14 Varys is a merman
1:45:23 Westeros is in a hollow earth
1:46:30 Tyrion is a time-travelling fetus
1:47:53 Jon + Arya
1:48:25 UnTommen
1:49:04 Ned is a pigeon
1:51:12 Bran will rape Meera through Hodor
1:53:17 Tyrion will sleep with Penny, who is his daughter
1:54:34 Bloodraven will steal Bran's body
1:57:27 Tywin is the dusky woman
1:59:18 Jon is his own father
2:00:49 fAegon is Varys and Illyrio's son
2:02:16 TWOW will be released
2:03:44 Iceberg #2 speed round
2:22:53 Iceberg #3 intro
2:24:10 R+L=J
2:25:13 Brynden Rivers = three eyed crow
2:28:37 Balon assassinated
2:30:22 Robert Strong
2:31:37 Lyanna = Knight of the Laughing Tree
2:33:52 Pink letter
2:39:57 Oberyn poisoned Tywin
2:43:58 Faegon
2:45:54 Myth parallels
2:51:09 Daenerys = Azor Ahai
2:57:00 Frey pies
2:58:38 Alleras
3:01:16 Olenna poisoned Joff
3:01:37 Queen Dany
3:02:56 Battle of Blood
3:05:36 Jon, Dany, Tyrion
3:06:44 Ramsay castrated Theon
3:07:55 Benjen=Coldhands
3:11:35 Valonqar is Jamie
3:14:15 Jojen paste
3:16:08 Pate = Jaqen
3:23:47 Bolt-on
3:28:15 Lemore = Serra
3:31:15 Gerion = Shrouded Lord
3:34:09 Night lamp
3:34:52 Dragons = wyverns
3:39:35 Melisandre only sees future
3:40:33 Patchface
3:42:17 Jon = Azor Ahai
3:42:54 JonCon = beast of stone
3:45:20 Maester Conspiracy
3:48:04 Varys planted Shae
3:49:04 Euron = dusky woman
3:53:20 Syrio = Jaqen
3:55:15 Red Wedding 2
3:57:39 Faceless Men caused Doom
4:01:09 King Jon
4:02:13 Old powers waking
4:04:24 Green Grace = Harpy
4:07:32 Quaithe = Shiera
4:09:44 Arbor gold = lies
4:10:49 RUclips doesn't support this many chapters lol
going through and adding the chapters that apparently youtube can't fit LOL
4:10:49 - Tyrion is the valonqar
4:11:50 - the north remembers
4:12:58 - frey civil war
4:13:54 - sweetrobin is littlefingers son
4:14:50 - it's the war of roses
4:15:48 - mormonts raven is warged
4:17:12 - bloodraven killed bobbyb
4:20:06 - black stone significance
4:23:13 - summerhall theory
4:24:47 - identity of 6 dragons
4:27:08 - sansa stark is younger queen
4:28:35 - hodor is descended from duncan the tall
4:30:02 - septa lamore is ashara dayne
4:31:22 - MERLINGS
4:34:48 - shavepate poisoned the locuse
4:36:11 - cersei accidently poisoned joffrey
4:36:54 - sam possesses horn of winter
4:38:32 - wyman manderly snuck in a mayhaps
4:40:21 - perfumed seneschal = tyrions ship
4:42:19 - littlefinger endgame
4:45:15 - friends in the reach
4:46:07 - jon stays dead
4:48:14 - septon chayle hooded man
4:53:36 - daario = euron
4:55:18 - ramsey flayed hornwood fingers
4:56:43 - stannis is azor ahai
4:57:49 - southron ambitions
4:59:05 - tywin was aware of joffreys poisoning and let it happen
5:00:22 - cleganebowl HYPE
5:03:07 - arianne martel is younger queen
5:05:01 - L + J = J ????
5:05:38 - darkstar is secret targ
5:06:53 - jon snow was really tormund giantsbane
5:08:46 - illyrio was trying to get rid of daenerys and viserys
5:10:19 - coldhands = night's king
5:12:00 - grand dornish conspiracy
5:13:43 - shireen's true purpose
5:15:40 - CoF can cause earthquakes via blood sacrifice
5:19:05 - varys and the antler men?
5:19:38 - quentyn martell is alive
5:20:00 - N + W = J
5:20:49 - lightbringer is night's watch
5:21:53 - hardhome destroyed by valyrians
5:22:37 - sam will kill euron
5:22:42 - stonesnake = coldhands
5:25:15 - rorge and biter are also faceless men
5:27:10 - joffrey poisoned himself
5:27:48 - mad queen cersei and jaime's destiny
5:29:38 - lightbringer is drogon
5:30:24 - weirwood/children net
5:31:39 - N + A = J
5:33:59 - 3 swords of azor ahai = rhaegar, aegon, jon
5:37:06 - battle for dawn ended in truce
5:39:32 - stannis is the night's king
5:43:26 - daenerys is a fire wight
5:45:25 - great braavos conspiracy
5:47:36 - pyat pree is euron
5:49:26 - R + L = D
5:50:20 - petyr baelish story tragic
5:31:31 - valonqar is robert strong
5:52:40 - hooded man is hallis mollen
5:53:42 - melisandre has davos' luck
5:54:50 - varys is a brightflame
5:57:21 - the others are misunderstood
6:00:30 - the children are the bad guys
6:03:40 - sam is the main character
6:04:44 - the wall protects itself
6:05:40 - snow men
6:07:47 - humanoid creatures are result of divergent evolution
6:08:54 - blackfyre/targ alliance theory
6:10:30 - aegon is the rightful king
6:10:52 - bloodraven manipulating everything for hundreds of years
6:15:56 - hound raped sansa
6:17:01 - septa lemore = lyanna stark
6:17:45 - CoF caused Doom of Valyria
6:18:42 - septon reed
6:19:26 - ASOIAF is a post-apocalyptic story
6:23:06 - the seven aspects are represented by 7 specific characters
6:23:52 - aegon is legit
6:24:14 - B + L = J
6:24:29 - the old gods love starks
6:25:37 - robb was given a love potion
6:31:40 - Daenerys is a dragonseed
6:35:20 - valyrians = first men
6:35:46 - tyrion is a targ chimaera
6:36:42 - khal drogo master plan
6:39:35 - ramsey is not roose's son
6:40:16 - tyrion really did poison joffrey
6:40:35 - humans evolved on the summer islands
6:41:12 - stark's descend from others
6:42:31 - mance rayder = arthur dayne
6:43:34 - richard lonmouth = lem lemoncloak
6:45:47 - benjen = daario
6:47:18 - rhaego was azor ahai
6:48:51 - the multiple moon theory
6:54:04 - jaime and cersei are secret targs
6:55:33 - age of heroes are prophecy for what will happen
6:56:56 - N + L = J
6:57:12 - far east civs are refs to other works and should not be taken seriously
6:58:58 - night watch true purpose
6:59:30 - ASOIAF is a scifi story
7:00:01 - missandei is faceless man
7:00:30 - val is jon's twin
7:01:11 - azor ahai =/= anything else
7:02:20 - robert strong has jaime's hand
7:03:30 - theon is becoming drowned god
7:04:22 - cannibal (dragon) on skaagos
7:06:42 - there must always be a stark in winterfell
7:07:28 - B + A = D
7:07:56 - rhaego is still alive
7:09:12 - 7 people poisoned joffery because he's a fucking cunt
7:10:15 -tyrion is the time traveling son of daenerys and drogo
7:11:48 - joffrey and tommen are the rightful kings
7:12:50 - N + C = J
7:13:39 - euron will become daenerys
7:14:30 - ser pounce is azor ahai
7:16:02 - sam is a GRRM self insert
7:16:40 - ASOIAF original draft
Doing the old gods' work.
Seven Blessings to you!
Hero
small edit post pin: valonqar is robert strong should be 5:51:31.
How long did you spend doing this bro? Seems like such a waste of time. However, its appreciated all the same
will still never hear a theory to top "Joffrey just had a food allergy"
Plot twist is littlefinger doesn't actually do anything he just takes credit for random things "yes I poisoned joffery" "but he went into anaphylaxis he wasn't poisoned" "that's what I wanted you to think!"
@@ralcogaming7674 *stubs toe* Damn you Littlefinger!
Ok this is actually perfect
@@ralcogaming7674 this too
@@a_mage_as_old_as_joe1598 this only really works for the show, book littlefinger is surprisingly cunning, ahow littlefinger does just seem to take credit for random shit,and any actions we see him personally take are so idiotic we can't help but think he was dropped as a baby.
my headcanon is that everyone was trying to poison joffrey at his wedding. he got like 10 different poisons in his system
great idea, there was no chance for Joffrey 😂
Was like the scene in scary movie at the cinema
Trying to find out who didn't poison him
I prefer everyone was trying to poison him but failed and Olenna and Littlefinger did it by accident while targeting Tyrion
@@troycoverskpop It is known
My theory is that when Jon died he warged into Ghost, but when he came back to life he stayed in direwolf's body and Ghost took contol over Jon's body. That explains why in last season he only repeats 2 lines "She's mah queen" (he's a loyal doggo) and "I don't wah that"(doggo is not realy interested in human stuff).
Thats it, that theory explains it all
we do theory’s here not facts
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And it explains why he howls at that dragon at the end of the long night instead of stabbing it
i am here two years later to confirm that we have not, in fact, gotten the winds of winter
Its so funny to hear the winds of winter release theories almost 3 years later
But we are 2 years closer (copium)
@@jellyjohn7881we always will have the 2029 release date theory lmfao
@PedroFerreira-ne3jv By 2029, either JRRM will die or Winds of Winter will be released, one of those is sure to happen...
GRRM thrives on subverting common fantasy tropes. What bigger subversion of readers’ expectations could he make than not finishing the series?
Benjen, Daario, Jaqen Hgar, Syrio, Alleras, and Euron walk into a bar. He orders a drink.
2gud
CLONES!!!
Unfortunately there is the He walks vs They walk.
Still gud though
@@zombiehorsefranzferdinand9304 woooosh
@@zombiehorsefranzferdinand9304 r/whooosh
Robert Strong is actually Robert Baratheon
Robert = Robert
Strong = "Gods I was STRONG then"
How have you people not figured this out?
Well Cersei sent the skull of Gregor Clegane to Doran Martell, so I actually think that Qyburn put Roberts head on Gregors body.
@@lugojj wouldnt work 2 years-ish have passed since Robert baratheon died his head would be decayed to nothing but a skull. It COULD be Robert's skull that was sent to dorne... but it was more likely the skull of the dwarf head that was delivered to cersai earlier in the book
@@brainnet4374 holy shit how have I never thought of that?
@@henrywhite2228 the dwarf head theory came from a theory video so dont feel bad I didnt think of it either lol
But dwarf skulls are larger than regular skulls which helps fit the narrative that it was Gregor's skull.
And in books, Robert is also huge.
What if Jon’s name is just Jon and he was named after that one guy Rhaegar was friends with
Hey I like this
Wow, that's kinda mindblowing!
@Mika AMAG well, Robb legitimized Jon to all the vassal lords he took with him to the twins. So even if he is or isn't a bastard so much of his story is him coming to grips with that, for all intents and purposes he is a bastard yanno?
Heh I like it
Or the even more obvious answer, Ned named him "Jon" after Jon Arryn. Rhaegar was dead, not present to name the kid. Lyanna is dead, Ned picked the name. I don't see George doing dumb bullshit of Rhaegar naming this kid months in advance with some Targ name. Even if he did, it's not his "true" name because he's never been called by it in his life.
Another thing about Mormont's raven being skinchanged that I only noticed because I'm re-reading aGoT is that it's the raven that basically tells Jon how to kill the wights attacking Mormont. Out of nowhere it starts saying "burn, burn" and gives him the idea to use the lamp-oil. It's absolutely straight-up Bloodraven telling him what to do.
No shit
Sry
Bloodraven a real one for that
@@bigbean1627gotta help out your bros
Bloodraven > Opps
I just realised how Qyburn resurrected the mountain and basically just called him Bob Muscles
this comment made me legitimately laugh out loud
Bobert Stronk
Boburt Muscleman
I like the way you think 😂
@@pappadarappa I think
I love how in the Game of Thrones fandom you can just say "Euron who wants to become an eldritch lovecraftian god skin changed into the dusky woman to have sex with his brother"
And people will just respond, "yeah sounds like a Euron thing to do"
Here's the thing, it does absolutely sound like a Euron thing to do.
I mean... It DOES sound like a very Euron thing to do.
It’s not out of character…..that’s more than the show
it does though
That's a statement of how insanely bad adapted he was in the show
Varys being fAegon's mother is such a funny concept that I kind of want it to be true.
same, it does not even make a medicorum of sense with the one thing where varys apears genuin is in regards of the trauma of his castration, so he could neither sire nor birth a child, but hey, maybe merpeople are both and his lady bits are still working?
Something I find weird about theories on Daenerys turning mad and destroying King's landing is how nobody mentions the wild fire. I think she will have a small snap and accept to have SOME civilian casualties during a fight in king's landing. But the moment she uses her dragons. KABOOM. Huge chain reaction. The whole city burns. She will be hated by everyone and be crushed by remorse. Letting herself die or become too vulnerable to avoid getting killed by her now many enemies.
That’s what I think the gamble will be when she takes King’s Landing. It will be this gamble whether to use her dragons to take KL considering the collateral damage and destruction they do, she’ll use them and accidentally set off the cache’s of wildfire beneath the city.
Plus Tyrion is with her, who is one of the only people who knows the placement & extent of the wildfire - would he discourage her like in the show, or is he still hellbent on revenge and wouldn’t tell her so she’d blow it up without knowing? 👀
I completely agree with you. George has harped on about Kings Landing being a huge powder keg, and Danny's just one big match. I can imagine her seeing that green explosion and just falling apart.
yeah, I am totaly on the she gets mad train, but nowhere near the one she is evil. She is not, she can be ruthless and thoughtless a creature of action and impuls, she is bonded to god damned dragons, what do you expect. But beside her dragons she has an increadably compassionate heart and that sets of a strong dissonance and strain in her.
I can imagine that people will tell her not to, she thinks she needs to set a sign, but that she will keep a tight controll over it, ends the discussion before someone can explain the risk with the wildfire to her sets it of and the terror of the genocide she more or less unintentionaly has inacted is the last straw that breaks her sanity.
People who just watched the show miss that the one thing she truely wants got nothing to do with the throne or power, she just wants to feel safe she just wants to have a home, the throne is viseryses goal, not hers. The seeds for her going mad go all the way back.
I like the one where Daenerys has Droghon burn Young Griff and a desperate Old Griff sets off the wildfire caches to deny Daenerys' victory and she ends up taking all the blame because... you know, she has three dragons.
"Jon is his own father" that is enough internet for me today
Tf HAHAHAHAHA
is it referring to Jon Arryn though?
@@frankmerker630 perhaps
@@frankmerker630 the guy who has trouble having kids?
Can’t handle the truth?
You heard the man your king is too fat for his theories, BRING THE THEORY STRECHER
HAAAAH
THE WAY I SCREECHED WHEN I READ THIS
PISS ON THAT
Kjjjj
How long till he figures out? hahahaha
To this day, I am haunted by u/MatttheM's alternative to Frey Pie, which is that Wyman Manderly is just so obsessed with delicious pies that he'll happily serve them to even his most hated enemies.
No matter which way it falls, it is great.
Those Freys just went missing, little walder was killed by gambling soldiers, and Wyman just really loves meatpies
Why is this so horrifying to me
I'll say this regarding R+L=J and the "too obvious" solution being Rhaegar and Lyanna:
If it makes sense, is satisfying, and the reader could put that together, then obvious isn't an issue.
The issue comes from the writers thinking that "too obvious" is a bad thing because "we gotta keep the reader guessing! A mystery is only fun when the solution comes out of nowhere and no one could have predicted it!"
The most satisfying part of a plot twist isn't the twist itself, but the audience going either "I KNEW IT" or "I SHOULD HAVE SEEN THAT COMING."
Some ASOIAF veterans said it's never been very obvious, show reveal change it and i'm totally agree with you
That, and so many people now say R+L=J is obvious only because we've had what, 10 YEARS since the last book? Even if you haven't watched the show, there's almost 2 million words of material ripe for us to find theories in.
I'm sure that I would have missed 90% of the secret twists in the story if it wasn't for me watching all these RUclips videos and reading posts about ASOIAF. The clues are there, but they are a lot more subtle than people give them credit for. People only know them because lots of other people have worked to find them and put them together to make it easy for people.
And like ASX said Ned and Ashara would be even more obvious so....
@@DarksideGmss0513 Shhh no it could be a hidden meaning
I love how everyone is either an Other, a Targaryen or Azor Ahai.
Or a time-traveling fetus :)
Or Howland Reed
Or Euron
or using glamour
I love the suggestions that were sparked by this comment.
Tyrion Targaryen, the time-traveling fetus, is hands-down the greatest thing ever concocted by the fandom ever.
Are you forgetting “Varys is a mermaid”?
@@VictorIV0310 this is great, but "time travelling fetus" is so baffling it's brilliant
He's the stallion that will mount the earth
@@ayy2193 Obviously. How else does a man hated by his family serve as Hand of the King to Joffrey, Dany, and Bran the Brickbrain?
Edit: presumably. The books still aren't finished and I hope to all that's holy that they don't go that route.
Tyrion Targaryen is one if the very few theories that actually makes and will most likely become true...
Personal Theory I haven't really seen talked about Rhaeagar WAS Azhor Ahai and Robert doomed everyone. Unlikely, I know. But it would fit the whole subversion of tropes theme. The "chosen one" is dead and now they gotta make do with what they've got. No "clean" victory. The others can't really be stopped by conventional means, so some sort of compromise or sacrifice will have to be made to achieve some sembalnce of peace.
i think this is really interesting but I would be more inclined to believe it if there was only 1 azor ahai, i think the hinted cyclical nature of these chosen ones negates this theory. still, i think this would be cool.
That’s really grimdark
Like it
Rhaegar is Azor Ahai and Lyanna is Nissa Nissa, making Jon Lightbringer.
There’s just something about “no actually this time the sword is Rhaegars dick.” that doesn’t feel right to me.
This theory reminds me of how things turned out in Dune. Paul was supposed to be a girl and that foiled the plan and they made do with what they had, hoping to salvage the master plan.
I’m not gonna lie I love the A+J=J+C. not because of the rape, obvs, rip Joanna. But because of the irony, that not only are Tywin’s golden children incestuous disappointments, one of whom is well on her way to mad queen status if not already, they aren’t even his. Tyrion being tywins only child is just the cherry on top of the cake. Tywins obsession with legacy and the one child he despises is the only one he has.
Everything about this is just *chefs kiss*
And if this theory is true then the valenquar prophecy could mean someone els aswell
It would also have a lot of other amusing implications. For one, it would mean despite despising Targs to the point of rebelling and usurping the throne, Bobby B ended up marrying a Targ and raising(in the loosest sense of the word) Targ children, complete with consanguineous parentage. And after he died, the Iron Throne has returned to Targaryen hands. Related to this, it would mean Joffrey, whose illegitimate claims to the crown in part led to the Wot5K, would have a, if somewhat dubious, claim to the Iron Throne. Jaime wouldn't only be a kingslayer but a kinslayer as well. Funnily enough, it would also mean he unknowingly followed Aerys' last command; he killed his father. If theories of FAegon being a Blackfyre is true, it would mean the upcoming conflict between Cersei, Dany, and FAegon would be akin to all the Targ civil wars rolled into one, Dance of Dragons+Blackfyre Rebellions.
Some say he is still reading iceberg theories to this day, schwifting by candle light, periodically adjusting his mic volume, unaware the power went out in his studio long ago, the ring of the last superchat echoing from weeks past in his memory as he focuses on the blacker and deeper depths of a theory on why coldhands is Illyrio Mopatis, king of the squishers.
Brilliant comment!
Well, Illyrio keeps HANDS of his dead wife which are probably COLD, it’s all coming together.
@@mcpw2004 we need to go deeper
@@mrgaudy1954 Dany is a time travelling fetus of Dany and Drogo
"Schwifting by Candle Light"
Good song name.
Theory: the Starks are almost always shown and mentioned as the good guys because Sam writes the SOIAF and he’s friends with Jon.
That's pretty good
Genius
Joffrey was just a sweet kid and victim of a wolf mauling
GRR's point is that everyone is by degrees a good and bad guy. It's futile to try to apply notions of good and evil to a world where everyone does lots of both.
@@tuulenkoti that's just what he wants you to think
Theory: The Stark who dishonored Ashara Dayne was actually Lyanna. When Rhaegar took Lyanna, Ashara was so distraught she leapt to her death.
It is known
Actually... that fits best
Why though
@@akiramado9198 Why not
@@skeletonbuyingpealts7134 no I mean I want more lore behind this theory
I like the theory that Joffery took the knife from Robert's collection and he was the one to hire the cats paw. Robert says that it would be a mercy for bran to die and joff wanted to impress his father. Joff is probably the only person to give a drunk guy a knife that can be traced back to the king to kill a well guarded boy and think that that would go well
i thought that was confirmed somewhere in the books?
@dechain1927 that's the conclusion the twins and tyrion come to
GRRM did say we would learn the answer to that in SoS and that is the only explanation given. So as much as I wish it was something cooler, it seems to be the answer.
I really hope that near the very end of Winds of Winter, a completely new character is introduced and his name is just "Azor Ahai' and everyone is like "oh shit we've been waiting for you"
‘Azor Ahai? Of the Philadelphia Ahais?!’
Sounds perfect, rolls off the tongue
It would be funny if Grr would have enough, and just finish the books in a week.
“Hi I’m Azor Ahai!”
Tyrion: “ Then who am I?”
AA: “ time traveling fetus”
@@kmolnardaniel I feel like Azor's now the Adam Warlock of the MCU. It's like by the time he shows up nobody's nearly as invested in the story anymore
@@phoenixdzk Yeah, for the whole story. You can't fulfill, or rather, over-fulfill and even surprise readers after twenty years of fan-theorising.
This means, that time traveling Tyrion-fetus should happen.
Like "the guy" from spy kids 3? Lmfao
Who else thinks that the community has gone clinically insane with theories over the past 10 years. I have a feeling many people will be dissatisfied when their crackpot theories turn out to not be true
You should look up the Order of the Greenhand lmao
@@ceilingfanenthusiast6041 since your comment I have watched many hours of their content, thanks my man
@@sunkist1309 you're welcome lol, I ordered a Green Jand tshirt yesterday
@@sunkist1309 more like no one will ever know
@@JohnSmith-is4uu honestly I would be fine with that. If we get winds of winter there no chance in 7 hells that we’ll get a dream of spring
I think what people overlook with what Varys is telling Kevan is that no information is ever safe, and Varys knows that better than anyone. Even though he's planning to kill Kevan, telling him his big secret would be absolutely pointless and could come back to bite him if somehow Kevan escapes, or there was an eavesdropper, etc.
And, as anyone who knows psychology can tell you, one of the most important parts of projecting a sustained lie meant to last, is living the lie. The lie must become truth, and you must treat it as such as much as you possibly can. You never admit that it is false to anyone, and even try limit outright discussion with those in the know. Because, at the end of the day, yes Kevan is dying but that goes both ways. Why would Varys tell him the truth? What does he have to gain from that?
In fact, I believe that not even fAegon knows he's not Aegon. I think he truly believes it, and they've made sure this is so because then he can never give up the game because he doesn't know there is one.
i think this behavior from varys is set up by Littlefingers advice to sansa about living the lie
House Baelish’s sigil was the titan head of Braavos but Littlefinger chose a mockingbird for his personal sigil. Something mockingbirds are known for is laying eggs in other birds’ nests. So perhaps a mockingbird (Littlefinger) laid an egg (Sweetrobin) in another bird’s (Jon Arryn’s) nest (the Eyrie).
Sansa is definitely gonna kill Littlefinger in Winterfell.
Mockingbirds build and use their own nests, afaik.
You're referring to the cuckoo bird, not the mockingbird.
I have learned:
- The moon is Azor Ahai
- John Snow fathered himself
- Tyrion Lannister is a time traveling fetus
- Euron is actually every f*cking character in the book
Thank you for this knowledge Shwifty
ASOIAF theories in 2025: The Sun is a Planet
@@TheMightofDab well the people of old valirya might be the descendants of aliens inhabiting the sun. They say it's never too hot for a targaryen
Euron is f*cking every character in the book*
@@TheMightofDab Westeros and Essos make up what is actually Akavir from the Elder Scrolls games
Theories in 2030: Howland is a secret targ, and is azor ahai
I love the idea of Ned Stark hanging around in a pigeon body. Like everything’s just happening and he’s just chilling as a pigeon somewhere living his best life
Hopefully he wasn't eaten by Arya
Just chilling inside Arya's stomach.
He was actually killed in the purple wedding, when the cake was cut - and that pigeon blood ACTUALLY poisoned Joffrey.
@@TheHonoredMadman first thought too
hardly his best life. most of his family is dead
Regarding A+J=J+C. Cersei and Jaime could have come out “normal” because they were a product of this relationship while Tyrion came out misformed because he’s the only one who would have been a product of incest. Tyrion being Tywin’s only actual son would make their whole plotline even more beautiful in my opinion. The children Tywin loved weren’t actually his while the one he despised actually was. Completely unnecessary though I do agree.
I am on the train of Tyrion being both aerys and tywins son for with his book describtion, or two eye and hair colors he sounds a hell of a lot like a chimera and grrm knowes this kid of shit
One generation of incest isn’t going to make your child have every deformation at once.
Still do not marry your cousins but one generation really won’t make the kids have 3 legs and 7 fingers
@@arianewinter4266it's even for GRRM too much, and how it can be possible? Like two sperm cells got into one egg?
They are cousins, not siblings. I don't think cousin marriage causes that much of a disfigurement
Reminds me of that one joke about a man who has a wife and 3 sons: the oldest sons are strong, handsome and fit, but the youngest one is weak and scrawny, and the man always doubted if it was really his child. So on his deathbed, he has a moment alone with his wife, and asks her to tell him the unvarnished truth: is the youngest son really his, or was he conceived with another man? The wife swears, hand on her heart, that the child is his, and the man dies happy.
Right after the man passes away, the wife sighs in relief and thinks to herself "thank God he didn't ask about the other two".
Rhaego is proof that dragons were made artificially with blood magic.
He was almost fully converted into a dragon in the womb using the blood of Drogo's stallion.
A more powerful sacrifice (such as Nissa Nissa) could be used to to create a full dragon (Lightbringer)
Edit: Septon Barth's Unnatural History also theorises that Valyrian bloodmages experimented on wyverns to create the dragons
In hotd it's basically confirmed that dragons are blood Magic creations by the art on the walls of kings landing,
I hadn't noticed those... could just be images representing the Valyrian's use of both blood magic and dragons. I don't think HotD is canon to ASOIAF universe, as there are some inconsistencies (Laenor surviving, Daemon killing the Royce himself, etc.)@@eamonlyons8318
So in this version Nissa Nissa would be pregnant and died (sacrificed herself) giving birth to lightbringer= a living dragon, which makes sense. But Dany already has 3 hatched dragons and thinks she can’t get pregnant anymore, so this time round Dany playing the role of Nissa Nissa must play out differently then…
Of all the theories I've heard the one I want to believe the most is that book 6 & 7 will be released at the same time.
Even his if both completed, the publisher would never release at same time (more $s)
But I do hope that both are finished at the same time.
Finished at the same time and released seperately.
@@stupidhandles How is it less money though? If they release both books a year apart, its no difference.
This isnt like releasing two slightly different smartphones at the same time, this is a story and every fan buying Book 6, will buy book 7 as well.
please be true please be true please be true
Least believable one, though...
"this one is fun" and then proceeds to describe cannibalism
"I like this one" - goes on to talk about incest
RIP Wimmace
yeah, thats a fun concept to write about? what so you even mean
I think Syrio was actively AGAINST the Faceless. " What do we say to death ? - Not today " Kind of like a foreshadowing that she shoul dhave said no to the offer to join the Faceless men.
"Rhaegar is described as very, very beautiful, Mance isn't"
yeah it's called twink death
i dont know who you are but you are my new fav person
“Dany is Ned’s daughter”
An instant classic
of course. because Dany is Sansa. Sansa travelled back in time and got herself pregnant with herself, then brought the babies from two different timelines, one to be raised as a Stark and the other magically glamored to look like a Targ because thats what needs to be done to defeat the Walkers and save the world.
I like the Jon and Dany are twins theory.
@@nicoleackerman205 and whos are they? and how got dany to her place in in the story? To me the Jon and meera are twins theory always made more sense
Jon is Ned and Cercei’s son 🫥🫥🫥 WHAT
If Mance = Rhaegar is so bizarre and inconsistent and undercuts so much of the tragedy, why didn't D&D do it? Checkmate nerds
Because they accidentally killed Mance too early to do their cool twist
Mance = Rhaegar would make me love Mance so much more.
@@Cesare-Borgia No, Targaryens aren't really supposed to be fire-proof. That the show writes Dany this way is a problem. Remember how Viserys burned when they poured molten gold on him?
@@sblinder1978 to be fair there is a difference between molten gold and actual fire
Because they had to make time for the more bizarre finger in the bum.
I think with regard to the Grand Maester Conspiracy, that it was the Maesters who first concieved the idea of the dragonpit, knowing that the confinement would reduce the size and strength of the dragons over generations. And then building on this, the idea that the Maesters are working to engineer a world where magic goes extinct.
A theory that I've come up with:
Craster is Maegor Targaryen, the missing infant son of Prince Aerion Targareyen and Daenora Targaryen.
Maegor was born in around 232 AC; looking at Craster's portrayal in the TV show, this would make him around the same age.
Craster's official back story states:
"Craster is the bastard son of a man of the Night's Watch and a wildling woman from the village of Whitetree. His father abandoned his mother after Craster was conceived, and when his mother tried to bring him to Castle Black, she was chased off by members of the Watch. His father's name is never mentioned."
It's interesting that the time frame when Craster would have been born the maester at the Wall would have been a young Aemon Targaryen (baby Maegor's uncle) and the Lord Commander was Brynden Rivers (baby Maegor's great great uncle).
I'm proposing that one of them, if not both of them somehow smuggled their nephew beyond the wall and left him to be raised by the wildlings.
I don't know how/ why they'd have felt the need to do this, as this time period isn't something George RR Martin has written about yet; I'm hoping we get to find out in one of the future Dunc & Egg novels what happened when Aemon and Brynden went to the Wall. Seems odd the Craster was born around the same time this Targaryen baby who was heir to the throne went missing.
Also, this *could* shed light on why Craster keeps his bloodline pure by marrying his daughters and why Craster needs to do this in order for The Night King to turn the babies into White Walkers, because they have next to 100% pure Valyrian blood.
I believe it
wow this blew my mind
Damn
It’s far from the worst theory I’ve heard.
This is plausible, although we need more information and at least a couple more clues to build a conspiracy instead of the simpler explanation which is believing what we’re told about Crastor.
For an extinct house, there are a lot of Targaryens if half of these theories are true
Targaryans are a family, valyrians are a race. There’s probably tons of other valyrians but probably no other targaryans besides a few (like young griff Varys etc.) but those could also be just valyrians not specifically targaryans
@@ALY-xc7fl yeah, I read my comment before I read yours and I was like “WTF, why did I say that.” I’m gonna edit it.
@@ALY-xc7fl I think its Lys that used to be a valyrian vacation place, and has tons of valyrian like people nowadays descended from the bastards of the original dragon lords, with silver hair but blue eyes instead of purple. Always makes me wonder why Young Griff and other Targaryens in hiding bother dying their hair when the eyes are what will really give them away.
@@CoRLex-jh5vx I think Griff dyes his hair because Valyrian hair is a _dead_ giveaway (mostly a giveaway for likely being rich and influential, to the average person; more likely to be harassed by muggers I guess). The eyes aren't that much of a giveaway when most people probably won't even notice the colours of his eyes, or will confuse them for being blue by some trick of the mind (if you are expecting someone to *not* have purple eyes, you can easily convince yourself that you're just seeing wrong).
@@knightofsolice1304 also it's difficult to distinguish eye colour most of the times, unless you really go up close. I honestly find it very difficult to distinguish between grey, green and light-blue eyes most of the times, so I'm fairly sure it would be difficult to distinguish between Purple and Blue eyes too
Honestly George should just watch this if he ever gets writers block
Maybe that’s why he is taking so long ! Nothing wrong with asking for help.
@@jessicalowery3718 i honestly think hes done with wow and is writing adfs or done with it and is gonna have them released posthumously or smthn haha
@@miketrujillo3677 I like to think that you meant he finished World of WarCraft, so now he's finally writing again
@@minnumseerrund😂😂😂
@@miketrujillo3677 he already said no
Old boomer Asoiaf fan here. Back in the day (late 90s/early 00s), both R+L=J and Mad Queen Dany were widely accepted in the fandom as true. This was long before Feast was published. If you spent any time at all on early Asoiaf message boards, you were guaranteed to run across R+L=J and Mad Queen Dany.
If Jon Connington spreads his grayscale to Aegon (or any other Targaryen character), that will make them a "stone dragon."
While traveling the free cities, Aegon discovers the famed psychedelic drug which in low valyrian has the name “danqueed,” making him the “stoned dragon.”
@@Ballin4Vengeancehe'd be more benevolent than Belor the Blessed and hungrier than Aegon the Unworthy.
@@hillbillypowpowbro's Aegon the Aerated
"Ned is a pigeon" theory killed me bruh🤣😭
I forget how insane some of the theories are sometimes, I once heard a theory that Sansa was secretly Littlefinger's daughter because he drugged and raped Caitlyn one night so Caitlyn wouldn't remember because she was drugged, and the evidence was that Sansa looked different from the other Stark children and looked more like a Tully or some shit, I swear George needs to finish Winds already people are going insane.
Ned becomes dove (crying)
Ned
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@@VictorIV0310 please…. don’t bring it up. i haven’t recovered
Isn’t Ned still alive when Arya kills the pigeon, though? His last act was alerting Yoren to Arya’s presence, and Yoren takes her out of King’s Landing
I can't believe how ready i was to watch a 7 hour part 3 of ASoIaF theories
We as fans are so starved for new context 😂
@@sunkist1309 sadly you are getting none
Its not part 3, its parts 1 & 2 again...
HAHAHAHAHAH same. literally, same.
SAAAAME
I think by 'Love potion' it's far more likely meant to be some strong aphrodisiac like thing, which caused Rob to hook up with Jeyne and after that the whole sense of honor thing took over. That doesn't really remove his agency, but more taking advantage of his sense of honor, which is kinda a recurring theme with starks.
The cannibal thing is also explored with Stannis, he kills those who eat corpses in the North when his army is marching towards Winterfell, and when he was holding Storm's End's siege, he would not let his people eat the dead bodies of those who had fallen.
Stannis is truly the Mannis, didn't give up to cannibalistic tendencies!
@@sinistertwister686 he didnt give into Cannis
@@derekjeter4062what's Cannis
tbf it was a close thing, it was thankfully averted thanks to Davos' help
"If you spend enough money, you can get a lemon to grow wherever you goddamn want." That sounds like a really profound, multi-layered quote attributed to a contemporary philosopher.
Or Cave Johnson
But for realsies... Lemongate is real, wake the fuck up people! GRRM himself has acknowledged it.
@@elisabethschmerzler963 I'm the man who's gonna burn your house down with lemons!
People would think it was Gary Vaynerchuk
“If you spend enough money, you can get a lemon to grow wherever you goddamn want”
A literal life lesson from Shwifty
The Sealord of Braavos had bloody velociraptors and giraffes in his menagerie that were alive for some amount of time, a rich dude can buy some dirt to plant a tree that will help keep his teeth from falling out
That was spooky, I read this comment right as he said it in the video XD but also straight facts
not without artificial light though. Bravos themperature is actualy less of a problem, then the gray foggy lack of longtherm expoisure of bright sunlight and even a glasgarden with artificial lightwill not make it a lemon tree outside of her window
the "Jon is his own father" theory simply implies that Jon is immaculately concieved.
Immaculate means born without original sin. It doesn't mean born without a biological father. People mix up this Catholic term.
I'm only at this point, but pigeon Ned is just the right morbid to be hilarious to me.
especialy given how arya hunts pigeons
“The Mountain is actually a nice guy” gives me big “Dursley’s were terrible because Harry had a piece of voldy soul in him” vibes.
Well while both are false, one is more obviously wrong since The Mountain murders and rapes people whereas the Dursley one could be true upon first thought but it got shot down by Rowling.
Is that a real thing people say?
@@HOTD108_ I literally just read a comment on another video a few hours ago with someone saying that the Dursley's were mean because Harry was a Horcrux. He said something like "Ron being cruel to Harry and Hermione because of the Horcrux? It's almost as if the Dursley's were mean because they had a Horcrux around them...wait!" So it's a joke, but also set forward as something that makes sense. I'm not sure if he was saying it was a plot hole or if he was saying it was the logical reason.
That's some concerning attribution, the person who came up with that theory could be stuck in some pretty abusive relationship.
@@greywolf7577
I wouldn't be shocked if JK retconned this into canon. She's got fuckall else to do.
The fall of GoT really hit our boy Schwift hard.
What 0 winds of winter does to a mf
It’s been ten years mate !
I think Sansa will marry FAegon because she has a trend of being engaged/married to heirs who aren’t really who they think they are (Joffrey isn’t a Baratheon, Tyrion isn’t accepted by his family as a Lannister, Harry Harding isn’t an Arynn, FAegon isn’t a Targ, even in the show Ramsay who isn’t a Bolton married her). False princes are a theme in her story
Always lovely to know there’s other folks out there who have A Song Of Ice & Fire on the brain as much as I have it on mine. The power of writing, and the power of a gripping grand read. Cheers from 2023.
Someone should write a parody of ASOIAF that's literally just as many of the wildest fan theories crammed together as possible. It would be absolutely hilarious and the entire plot would already be written for you.
I thought everything after season 4 was the parody
Isnt that exactly what d&d did?
A limerick of ice and fire
@@nala3055 limerick of sorta cold and lukewarm
Yeah this g martin guy should do it, I heard he needs a few ideas to finish his books
Mermaid Varys kills Ser Pounce in a trial by combat. Ser Pounce, upon death, wargs into the Night King to freeze the whole world so that Hot Pie can refrigerate pies made of Freys. Ghost finds the pies and is about to eat them when Bloodraven wargs into the pies and poisons himself as a pie to avenge the death of Walder Frey, Bloodraven's twin brother. But it turns out to have been a different Walder Frey in the pie. Ghost vomits out a bunch of Freys and Bloodraven-pie out of his wolf-mouth and just walks away. Bran, after seeing all of this, decides to burn his own eyes. Hot Pie helps him do it.
i love how much Hot Pie’s involved here
Still a better ending than season 8 of the show but you forgot the part where Bran dies of a disease he contracted from a pidgeon who is his father.
Insert Hot Pie into any epic theory and it works.
There's no way it will be that logical.
it bothers me that everyone just went along with this interpretation;
MEER-man... it said Meer! as in, "Thoros of Meer". as in, that city across the sea.
(i realize the misinterpretation might be intentional, but its driving me NUTS!
i don't think Varys telling Kevan that Faegon is Aegon Targaryen is a plot hole, it's not that he has no reason to lie to Kevan who is dying, but that Varys has no reason to reveal the truth in that scene. Varys and Kevan are not alone, Varys's "little birds" are there too, and although those children are his spies, they are still children and as such easily manipulated and possibly on another spymaster's payroll. Even if the birds would not intentionally betray Varys, because they are kids and not a part of Varys's secret conspiracy, there is absolutely no reason he would give them any information that they don't need to know and could unintentionally reveal to the wrong person. Varys simply isn't the kind of person who would embark on a decades-long campaign to sabotage the Seven Kingdoms only to let his own loose lips sink his plan at the last minute because he couldn't help himself from gloating like a Bond villain.
I'd like to point out that UnTommen is a supplement to Valonqar Tommen (I've only ever seen UnTommen in Valonqar-related discussions so likely that's the reason the theory even came to be)
In this context the scene you described at 1:52:53 gets even darker, if Tommen dies under similar circumstances as in the show (kills himself from grief over something directly caused by Cersei), then he might come back with a strong hateful grudge against Cersei; and as she clutches him to her, drowning in tears of joyful delusion, he wraps his hands around her throat (with a strong zombie grip) and fulfills the prophecy.
Highly unlikely (Jaime valonqar is prolly canon) but it's still a great horrifying scene to imagine.
This is the one I really like the most. The foundation is there with the Mountain being brought back and Dondarrion- all grown adults with less memory or sense of self upon revival. I always imagined it as Frankenstein gone horribly wrong. Cersei poisons Tommen under the assumption that FAegon is going to murder them. Doesn't. Then, during the confrontation with Dany she begs our dark doctor to bring her baby boy back to her. It appears to not work. However, just as all firey hell breaks loose on King's Landing with dragons her son awakens and strangles his own mother. His last memories are of his death at her hands. And she dies in a pool of her own tears choked out by her youngest son. Kinda full circle with Cersei, but yeah, probably Jamie.
Deepest lore: the Wall is a perfectly normal and natural rock formation, and legends and myths grew around it retroactively over the course of thousands of years.
Thats how i feel about the long night and the doom of valyria, they could be natural disasters like the ice age or a gigantic volcano explosion and over time myths were made to explain the unexplainable
@@sombersensei9119 Man, I wrote a story like that once and felt extremely smug over how original and groundbreaking I was :(
Life ain't fair.
@@Alkinski Just because someone thought of it before you doesn't make your output lesser quality
@@sombersensei9119 I don't think the doom was a disaster. It makes more sense that it was their own fault, like a failed sorcery or vengeance from their slaves. It makes more sense thematically to be realted to their own hubris and ambition
Since Cersei wasn't aware of Jamie's reasoning behind killing Aerys and saving the people of King's Landing, I really wish the show would have had Cersei place wildfire all over the city and plan to ignite it and burn it down rather than admit total defeat. Jamie would have had to kill her in order to save the city once again, and this would have been fulfilled the prophecy of the Valanquar as well as being a tragic and poetic end to Jamie's redemption arc. But cmon having him get crushed by some bricks was pretty genius and I guess that's why D&D make the big bucks. They're just on that next level of writing and scripting television.
Lol yeah...geniuses...
The vala what? the show totally forgot about it lol.
yeah they got rid of it but cmon you've gotta give credit where credit is due. I'd much rather have those epic Jon Snow mini-muh queen-monologues than some nerdy crap like character arc or thematic consistency. why develop the idea that either blindly following or staunchly fighting prophecy always ends in failure and chaos when you can just replace it with a teleporting flying Arya or little girls screaming and killing zombie giants? You can't clap with your friends at a bar for a Valanquar my man. Plus I think it's just because Cersei kind of forgot about the Valanquar
She did have wildfire planted around the city. You can see it going off when Dany is on her rampage. I actually laughed at it because I was finding everything so ridiculous at that point
@@justineharper3346 I thought the wildfire caches were remnants placed by the mad King?
Idk why this is my comfort food. No matter how weird of a mood I'm in, your videos always make me feel better
In regards to the love potion theory: if Tywin was scheming to take down Rob in that sort of way, he would want to do it in a way that delegitimizes him as a king. If you just outright killed him then he'd be a martyr and you risk rallying more of the North to his cause. But if he dies at the hands of other Northerners for disrespecting their house then people are less likely to keep fighting for him. If true, it's a pretty ingenious 5D chess move.
Which is sort of what tywin is known for, aside from localized genocide lol. Who knows? Maegi married a westerman
Regarding Theon's castration in the books, when he's told to prepare Arya (Jayne) for her bedding on the wedding night, he mutters "no, i can't, i have no-..." which i think was the strongest evidence.
i wokr as a baker and for large parts of my shift i’m pretty much just alone in my little space and i can listen to whatever i want and my god i’ve never been more excited to start my shift lmfao
@M De Weijer That’s awesome lol
After reading first half of your comment, I expected it to somehow connect to all those Frey pies theories 😅😅
The human mind is incredibly capable at making out patterns and connections where there are none.
what 11 years with very little content does to mfs
I mean they are legitimate connections, they're just not true in the canon of the book.
It's the same difference between valid and sound logic. Valid logic needs to make sense, but doesn't need to be true. Sound logic needs to make sense AND be true.
What if Gregor didn't kill Oberon and his head just did that?
A poor dornishman was just not used to the air in Kings Landing. Ya know, pressure changes and city air pollution can do wild things to a man.
Broke: JFK was shot in the head with a sniper rifle
Woke: JFK's head just did that
Bespoke: JFK did not die, he was transported to Westeros where he took the identity of Oberyn Martell. And _then_ his head just did that.
In complete seriousness, I would love to see Ser Pounce get a little piece of the glory. Maybe something like knocking over Cerseis wine so she has to go change dresses before burning Kings Landing (she is vain enough to feel the need to commit massmuder while looking good) which would in turn lead to Jamie catching up with her and valonquaring her, or Quburn finding the last piece of a conscience rattling around in him somewhere and siccing the zombie mountain on her
"Valonquaring her" I'm dying 🤣🤣
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I personally think that Ser Pounce is the mastermind pulling Littlefinger's strings. Do I have any evidence? No. Do I need evidence? No. Is my theory personally endorsed by George R. R. Martin himself? No. Do I care? No.
I love this
When it turns out that Elden Ring is the finale of ASOIAF, you're all gonna lose your minds
Oōøöôõoòò Elden Ringgg
FOUL TARNISHED, IN SEARH OF JORAMUN'S HORN, EMBOLDENED BY THE FLAME OF DRAGONS, THE OTHERS MUST SNUFF OUT THESE FLAMES.
I've been screaming "blood magic is nanotech" sci-fi angle in jest/long odds for years now.
I don't trust GRRM to not try and 'outsmart' his readers, same as DnD did.
sHoCkInG rEvEaL
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH
🤔 he has a point
"Ah, 'Jojen Paste' - This one is fun." - I have no idea how many times I've watched this, but it continues to deliver.
When I first read "Tyrion is a time traveling fetus", I thought he was actually a living fetus who wobbled around pretending to be a full grown adult and could time travel
4:36:54 the fact that the horn is said both to bring down the wall and to raise giants from the earth makes me picture The Wall literally being made of giants frozen over with ice, like a weird winter Attack on Titan twist
this would be so epic
There is a theory that there are ice dragons inside the wall. So there is that.
@@Peacich yeah if a giant ice dragon was released from the wall when the horn was blown, i could live with that, i do feel like we’ll see an actual ice dragon in the books
@@Peacich I awlays thought their was an ice dragon would explain the walls
oh fuck john's gonna do the rumbling
I initially tought that you have made part III that is seven hours long
we can wish
Same
I thought the same and demand he does
Schwifty's not-so-gradual descent into Euron levels of madness
@@kaesdn8017 if you want 7 hour or more livestreams got check out MauLer
Varys secretly being Serra Blackfyre in disguise influencing things behind the scenes in her son's favor seems like a semi-viable theory. Secretly being a woman would explain the feminine face that gets mentioned a bunch of times. A bald head would hide Valyrian blonde hair. Being fat would disguise the appearance of breasts, and flowing clothes would help hide wide hips. That theory would have to operate under the assumption that Varys' entire backstory is a lie (or the real Varys was killed by his castration as a child and Serra stole his identity prior to infiltrating Westeros).
only in this fandom would a seven hour theory video be a channels most viewed video lol
I'm confident over 90% of the theories are false. But they're just so damn interesting.
"I wanna speedrun one more iceberg" he says, 2 hours into a 7 hour video
That’s from the first video which was 2.5 hours. This combines two videos.
This dude ASX is literally a character from ASOIAF character. Having multiple channels and acting as if he's a different name on each channel, the ASX lore is so compelling.
Just wait until you see random article
@@bradykelley4244 who is this random articl
You should be asking bout Marten Cordial.
That's why he denies the far north eventually reaches the Ulthos/Asshai region. The meta has a meta, time is a flat circle, the Yellow King rules all, etc.
@@WK-47 praise to the king in yellow hastur
7 hours of this after getting back into ASOIAF lately (and sadly getting my hopes up for TWOW). Gods bless you, Alt Schwift X, enemy of Alt Shift X.
Personally I think it makes sense for the Wall to have been built by the Others.
It's an ice wall for one, not stone, or even the fused black stone of dragons.
If dragons truly are Lightbringer, which makes the most sense in terms of how this fiery weapon fought back the Others, perhaps the Others built the Wall themselves with magic to keep dragons out when they made peace.
This is supported in Fire and Blood, when Alysanne takes Silverwing to the Wall and she refuses to fly over. Alysanne herself is disturbed this is the only time Silverwing ever refused her. As if magic were keeping the dragon south.
If the Last Hero is also Azor Ahai and was a First Man, who forged the fiery weapon, perhaps that's all a metaphor for how the Valyrians carried out experiments on animals to hyrbidise them. The last hero experimented on wyverns and used blood magic and sacrifices to create the dragons, and the magic needed to tame them resulted in the silvery hair and purple eyes seen in Valyrians...and the Daynes.
So, the Daynes who are also First Men and descended from the Last Hero who created dragons with blood magic (perhaps assisted by children of the forest). Valyrians later figured out the same magic to tame them, hence their own features.
They are the fiery weapon, with Dawn the literal sword of the Last Hero.
That's how and why the Wall was formed. And the rebirth of dragons has stirred the Others into war.
Combines a lot of theories and makes a lot of sense.
Except this all falls apart when you realize that the wall was built in the north and northerners legends don't mention any flaming sword even though they are the most trustworthy source on what happened during the long night
@@andriusas90 we're talking 10,000 years ago. There aren't exactly any completely accurate accounts of what happened in human history that long ago. Many stories talk of mystical things happening, and countless sources contradict each other.
Seems to me that lots about the wall doesn't make much sense. Why is there a door in one of the castles? Why is it built of ice and not stone, like Winterfell? Why was the Nights King boning an Other? Why were Giants supposedly helping Northmen build a wall to divide them?
With such contradictions, how can we take any single account of the time to be complete, unfiltered fact?
The reason for the Starks ruling the north for 8000 years is because George doesn't have a very good grasp on time
Writers have no sense of scale XD
Yeah that's one single dynasty ruling the same realm for ~2000 years longer than the entire length of IRL human civilization (from the first Sumerian cities to the present day). Pretty ridiculous even when you factor in magic and technological stagnation.
@@steezburger609 Jericó was from 10000~8000 BC soo a bit less, but still unimaginable enormous amount of time
@@steezburger609 Hey man, ASOIAF are fantasy books.
@@TheCoco7802 However, the length of a year is the same as in our world, which makes some things slightly ridiculous.
The only reason why Martin included the detail of Aerys "taking liberties" with Joanna is to include some context as to why Tywin hated Aerys, left his job and later betrayed him. Tywin was a famously petty man, and never forgot or forgave slights. Tywin deeply loved Joanna, so any man that messed with her, even a king, would have become an instant enemy of Tywin.
Yeah, but he also is a very rational man, his conviction of Tyrion not being his must come from somewhere . . . . The books pretty heavely imply Tyrion to be a chimera, so I actualy think, the only thing that would give that meaning would be, if he was both of theirs son
@@arianewinter4266 he doesn't think Tyrion is his son because he is a petty, vain man. Tyrion being an ugly dwarf ruins his image of Lannister glory and beauty. Which is part of the tragedy of Tyrion being a lot of like Tywin, more than Jaime or Cersei.
Gonna be honest when I saw this video was seven hours I thought it was gonna be drawn out and boring, but I started it anyway, and WOW it’s so fun.
I wanted to chime in about the many Azor Ahai myths. In the real world, when there are myths between cultures that are the same or similar it is because it was common to a group before a diaspora. There are the roots of the dragon myth carved into stone in South Africa dating to before the first migration out of Africa, which is why we see that myth all over the world. It’s thought to be the oldest myth if I’m not mistaken. I would think that may be the same thing in ASOIAF which would speak to it being a cyclical event.
For the Tyrion is the true target of the purple wedding theory I heard, it stems off of Joffrey not dying right away after drinking the wine (like Maester Cressen), and instead starting to choke after eating Tyrion's pie. The theory assumes that Cersei poisoned Tyrion's pie and it backfired
I do think that that could have happened, but I prefer Olenna and Littlefinger poisoning Jofferey. I prefer to think that Cersei actively believes that Tryion killed her son and that drives her hatred for him well over the top.
The mystery of whether pie or wine was poisoned was never cleared up.
I would have liked to see Tywin instructing Qyburn to investigate it.
@@jamesbowers5478 It actually doesnt make a whole lot of sense this way, and is far less well established in the books than the show. Littlefinger and Olenna are pretty unlikely candidates. The Tyrells have been alienated from kings landing for a long time at this point, and have arrived while Joffrey is being reigned in by Tywin. You dont get any of them hanging around and sussing out Joff like you do in the show, and in the book it is more explicitly stated that they dont really care who marge marries so long as it is king. Nobody would openly conspire with Littlefinger to commit regicide when that regicide wouldnt change the overall people in power. He would turn around and betray you. He was desperate at this point too and was losing what little power he had under Tywin. He has every reason to try and suck up and double cross the Tyrells.
@@jamesbowers5478 I do agree that Cersei is an unlikely candidate as well. She loves her kids and I think it is more in line with her character to believe it is Tyrion because she is paranoid and Tyrion left a trail of threats and evidence.
@@Luminousreign Actually there’s a number of hints that the Tyrells wanted to kill Joffrey, and have Margaery marry the much more controllable Tommen instead.
The Tyrell women, anyway. Mace clearly had nothing to do with it.
We know Olenna is very dangerous, and protective of Margaery. She gets info out of Sansa confirming the negative rumors about Joffrey’s abuse. Also IIRC in the book the Tyrell girls share some sort of “look” when this happens.
Also Olenna straightens Sanaa’s hairnet. I think Sansa actually herself thinks this means Olenna poisoned Joffrey when Littlefinger makes some remark to her about the hairnet.
I actually remember it being pretty open and shut, I don’t think you’re supposed to question if Olenna poisoned Joffrey.
It's so endlessly refreshing to have a theory youtuber who takes good writing into account. I appreciate it every time you dismiss or strengthen a theory based on whether it's thematically appropriate.
Yeah, I like watching GOT theory videos as much as the next guy, but sometimes I see the most ridiculous theories that get posted on YT or Reddit and ppl in the comments going “omgg Dany actually being Mance Rayder is such a good twist they should’ve put fans in charge of season 8!” Like, going for a weird twist that doesn’t make any sense isn’t the missing piece here lmfao
Story analyses on RUclips more often than not completely miss the thematic layer and it's honestly put me off almost all the story essayists I used to watch
So many story analyses on youtube just dont take good storytelling into account, really frustrating
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@@StopItGarrison ok
same
I can’t help but notice how Bloodraven is also a song of ice and fire through his parentage.
5:05. Love all the wishful hopes to Sandor having a peaceful end to his journey. Stranger is going to recognize No One when she returns and the gravedigger will recognize Needle and break his silent vow. “Where did you get that sword?”
Why do I never see the theory...
Bran made the Mad King mad (similar to Hodor) after trying to use time warg powers to warn him of Walkers to "burn them all".
Love that one!
I think that's kind of a show - only theory.
Definitely cool though.
I wish it was true lol i still believe in that one even tho it possibly wont be..
I think Mad King was just an paranoid dude in whom years and years of incest cumulated...I just pray that Dany doesn’t go mad like in the show
@@dreamday988 Don't forget that he was also kidnapped, tortured, and threatened with execution by the lord of Duskendale for six months straight, which basically confirmed to him that all his suspicions were true. I feel like if Dany hasn't suffered a mental break from all the tragedy and trauma she has been through at only fourteen she's probably in the clear for a Mad Queen moment unless something truly horrific happens.
@@Riastrad-hq6ds True..I sometimes forget she was 14/13 man..And how every story is tragic af in this book 🤦🏼♀️
Wouldn't Bran know that the Mad King would be dead long before The Others arrive so he wouldn't bother with him at all?
Sansa being Littlefingers daughter is the biggest misinterpretation of the story imo
It's up there but Mance = Rhaegar is dumber.
@@jamesfitzgerald8267 Tyrion Targaryen the Time Traveling Fetus is the dumbest.
Personally, I think Littlefinger *is* Sansa. It only makes sense bro,,, trust me 😳😳
@@knightofsolice1304 I'm pretty sure it's confirmed that Sansa travelled back in time to give birth to herself, and little finger is the father
@@knightofsolice1304 soo Sansa is a time traveler? and I guess shes using a glamor to pretend to be a slimy whoremonger lord, and she...started the War of Five Kings because without it, Jon Arya and Dany dont become who they need to be to defeat the Walkers and save the world. and we can call it "Sansa's Master Plan".
Also she kissed herself because why wouldnt you?
Cold Hands being "Bran's monster," as Jojen puts it, I think might imply that Bran had a hand in originally creating Cold Hands due to his green seer time travels, much like Hodor being Hodor'd was his fault as well.
Ive spent more time watching/rewatching this video than grrm has spent wrinting the last 2 books
This video has more theories than D&D brain cells
Schwifty, please come home. Your family misses you. They’re worried about you.
Ser Pounce = Azor Ahai is easily one of my fav theories. Seriously though
Cats rule the world. Why shouldn't Westos see their appeal too?
Is there an actual serious theory behind that or is it largely a joke?
@@emilybarclay8831 It is a joke theory to prove that many persons can be the prince, that was promised. Or at least fit the description, if the theorist turns the 'evidence' to suit his savior.
@@jito7377 I support the idea that TPTWP/ AA isn’t a person, but a role. Like in Harry Potter where either Harry or Neville could have been the child of the prophecy, but Voldy’s actions meant it was Harry. A number of people fit the fairly vague requirements, but it’s down to who is willing or able to fill the role
@@emilybarclay8831 Ah, do you follow the whole archetype-system? I know about it, but don't believe was GRRM's intension/invention.
I suppose, the Ser Pounce = AA theory settels more in the line of one savior/choosen.
UnTommen actually kind of appeals to me if you place Tommen as the Valonqar.... If Cersei brings him back and can't quite perceive that her youngest boy has become a monster, he could end up kilçling her whilst validating the "younger brother" role
Absolutely great work, man. This video has been lasting me for over a week because I play it in chunks while I photocopy stuff at work, draw, etc. Gives me a newfound appreciation for the depth of world building in the ASOIAF series and makes me want to pick up the book series where I left off so I can revisit these!
The thing about Bran raping Meera thru Hodor is just a misunderstanding of the metaphor that when Bran takes over people, that is like rape and abuse. Hodor's spirit cowers in his mind from Bran. and Bran "accidentally" touches Meera's mind and it freaks her out. Which isn't to say an actual rape won't happen, but I think the bigger point is the metaphor.
When does Bran accidentally touch Meera’s mind? That’s seems like such a big thing, but I cannot remember that unfortunately! Is it when they’re in the cave with BloodRaven? Sorry about the dumb questions.
Bran accidentally touches Meera's mind? When?
it's pretty clearly implied that Bran is going to ACTUALLY rape Meera with Hodor. Why include the prologue with Varamyr otherwise?
@@jacobenke7936? to set up jon going into ghost after he dies
@@sglauney That's already been implied. Varamyr goes on and on about how Hakon would have called what he was doing abomination. Bran is actually further down that path than Varamyr was, and he doesn't know any better. Bloodraven is taking advantage of Bran, big time.
Personally, I’ve always viewed Lemongate as a kind of ‘collage memory.’ I think that Daenerys is taking elements from two different memories and piecing them together.
Also people, and especially children, can "remember" events that never occurred.
I was thinking that… George has mentioned the “unreliable narrator” thing before, hasn’t he?
We’re dealing with character’s skewed memories and personal bias.
@@The.Nasty. George was asked about lemongate by a fan and said the fan was perceptive and that, basically, he would say no more. There is SOMETHING George has intentionally set up with that damned lemon.
My personal crackpot is that she and Jon are twins, Dany could not grow up in Ned’s household because she looked like a Targaryen… wayyy too many comparisons and imagery of her and Rhaegar, moreso even than Jon and Lyanna/blue flower imagery
@@garrettbaratheon567 even more possibilities of incest!
To compound the lovecraft influence, there are specific words that Lovecraft REALLY likes to use to describe things, and one such word is "charnel," and this word appears in "The Forsaken" during Aeron's first nighshade vision when vision-Euron says "These are the last days, when the world shall be broken and remade. A new god shall be born from the graves and charnel pits." Which is just dripping with Lovecraft influence