Thanks for all the Muzzleloader videos. I've been watching them all leading up to the controlled Muzzleloader/Shotgun hunt in southern Ontario in a few weeks.
Right!! I just did a comparison video with Pyrodex RS vs Select and the RS gave impressive groups with 80gr by weight. I saw RS for $25 for 16oz at Walmart just last week.
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Wow is right! I still have my buck tag for Ohio this year and the next best chance is muzzleloader. I haven't modern muzzleloaded in 7 years. Usually done in archery season. When picking up bullets to compare to refamiliarize myself with my TC Omega, I saw a can of BH 209 for $89. Blew me away. It was hard to get back then so I bought 3 cans at $39 each. I've never felt powder wealthy before, lol. Magnum primers are non-existant right now. I had a partial card of 100 from earlier, but picked up a pack of Cheddite. Plan on working up the most accurate 100 yd load I can this week. Previously I was using 115 gr 209 by volume and 250gr TC Shockwave. Subsequent loading without cleaning is a plus as well as ease of cleaning.
I’ve been using the BH for several year with the Cheditt primers. I’ve also used other primers and had a few hang fires. What I found is BH is very sensitive to oils. I was cleaning and using REM oil to coat the inside of the barrel. ( Highly recommend REM oil ) but make sure the barrel is dry when you load your first shot.
That’s interesting not looked at the cleaner effecting the powder but that makes sense. I use Triple 7 foaming cleaner. Thanks for that, and thanks for watching. What combo do you prefer?
@@suburbanhunt3653 CVA V2 LR I use 80gr BH and Hornady bore driver 290. My traditions pursuit 74gr and federal 270 borlock. I have a new pursuit vapr. I have not shot yet. That cva setup has been 1/4 Moa out of the box.
Have you ever thought about testing the Traditions Smackdown Carnivore Ridgeback .50cal 250-Grain? They have an interesting designed sabots with the ribs that run horizontal.
I’m about 90% sure that’s one of the ones I just picked up. I know I got 2 different Traditions projectiles. If it’s not one I will get them and see how they work. You looking for BH209 or pellet test?
To avoid the FTF issue while using Blackhorn 209 powder (AKA Black Gold), purchase a breech plug kit from Arrowhead Rifles that utilizes Large Rifle magnum primers. This will eliminate the possibility for a FTF when you have some government beef on your Rifle sights.
@@suburbanhunt3653 One time is all it takes to ruin a hunt that you have worked hard to prepare for and spent a lot of $$ on. Granted, all primers are hard to find. What I am saying is, that in order to eliminate a fail to fire situation when using Blackhorn 209, switch to Large Rifle magnum primers. Often times smaller local gun stores are the place to find them, as online stores get cleaned out of inventory quickly. So other than the extra dollars needed to purchase the Arrowhead breech plug conversion kit, there isn't much disadvantage to the primer availability issue. A few months ago I found LRM primers at a large big box store and also two smaller gun stores. To save the Hazmat fee, I purchased from the smaller gun store. Blackhorn itself is hard to find and when you do, it's way overpriced. I paid $69.99 per 8 ounce bottle a year and a half ago at a local gun dealer. About 3 months ago I found some at the same dealer for a friend of mine. This time they had pasted a sticker over the top of the original $69.99 sticker that increased the price to $79.99. Needed it, paid the price. Capitalism works when the supply side isn't drastically less than demand. Right now, due to numerous reasons, the supply-demand ratio is completely out of whack. Remember the companies that are gouging you now and know who to vote for when you go to the ballot box.
Was shooting my Wolf inline the other day using Tripple 7 with the standard breech plug with no problems whatsoever. No misfires, no hang fires, not problem at all. The loose Tripple 7 seems to be a little hotter than the pellets at the same volume for some reason and was maybe a little more kick with it. I've never used the Blackhorn powder, (They are just a bit too proud of it for me).
you should try the new variflame breech plug. it uses LRP and will cut down your group size. hotter spark and less force to push the load during ignition. also do not swab your barrel. the more crud the better with blackhorn. this should only be done with blackhorn and no other. go in to the woods with a dirty barrel. i only clean my barrel once a year. look up info from toby bridges he is the king of muzzloading.
I have same exact ML. But mine is brown color. They do make a black dipped blackhorn breech plug. I just put a Leupold Ultimate Slam ML 3x9x40mm scope on mine. I been shooting hornady 250gr sst bullet. 84grs of blackhorn by weight. Shot under a 1 inch group at 100. Last yr bass pro. I picked up 6 packs of hornady 290gr bore driver bullets. Marked down to 15.00 each. Planning on sighting my ML in with them. I know guys using cheddite 209 in there ML. Only primers they could get last yr. I use Winchester 209.
The Cheddite primers work pretty good. I have only had one not work right and I not sure it was the primers fault. I need to get the 250gr SST and see how they do. The SST video I did was with 300gr. But you can’t go wrong with the FTXs they are second only to ELDX so far in all my testing.
I had the same issues with winchester 209 primers. Awful performance. Unburnt powder, even unburnt powder debris in the flash hole. Found 400 federal 209A. They perform perfectly. CVA accura 80gn BH209, thor hammer 250gn BT bullet, 2.5” group @100
100 yards? That's plenty accurate enough for whitetail. Just means you have less room for human error. Do your part and it should do it's. 50 yards? I might keep testing. 4 in at 100 yards leaves almost no room for error. ?Thank you for watching and happy hunting.
yes their we very inconsistent some being a over a grain off. So in theory you could be anywhere from 97 to 103 grains for a hundred grain charge. The biggest issue with pellet is you are getting random charges. I did a video on cleaning the bore or weight pellets to try to get better groups. ruclips.net/video/dq55hNTQP3k/видео.html In short weighting them did help as far a making 3 charges that were the same or dang close. The problem is it took almost a full box to find a combo that I would make the same charge. So it not a practical thing to do. I would switch to loose.
ive heard so many good things about the blackhorn 209 but have also heard of horror stories like what happened to you but in the woods. maybe they were not using hot enough primers.not really sure. same ml as yours. the one guy hated it so much hes giving me his breech plug for loose powder
Dang. I have heard of guys having a bad jug. Maybe didn’t seal properly from the factory. But that’s rare. He got another jug and it was back to normal. That squib was a one off for me. With all my testing I’ve not had that happen again. Not really sure why that happened. But having heard multiple stories, I can understand your hesitation for using it. I don’t recommend any “Muzzleloader Only” primers for BH209. Federal 209A if you can find them. Cheddite is another good one and easier to find. Good luck and please let me know how your testing goes
I had one squib, and I believe it was my fault. I now fire at least two primers before loading the rifle to clear all the moisture out from cleaning or sitting around.
I have to agree on BH209 being an awesome powder. I need to get to testing the loose Triple 7 and see how it compares in accuracy test. But the BH209 is defiantly the cleaner of the powders. Thank you for watching.
I've heard the BH209 produces back pressure. I'm haven't done a lot of research on back pressure requirement to go off. Interest topic. I will have to look into that. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Nice!! I just picked up some Harvester gold tips. Don't remember off hand the weight by I'm looking forward to testing them. Thanks for watching and commenting.
1lb = 7000gr BH209 comes in 8oz jugs = 1/2 lbs 1/2lbs = 3500gr 3500 / 80 = 43.75 The math would says at best 43 shots. I would say 42 would be a safe bet. The cheapest I've found it today was $32/jug + shipping and tax is $57. With 42 shots that's $1.36/ shot. Sorry about that my brain had to see that through. Hopefully that helps. 🙂 Thank you for watching.
Its worst then that the new bottles are only 8oz!!! But still over $80. I completely understand. I'm looking forward to testing the Triple 7 Loose powders. If I can get the same accuracy... the price difference may just be worth the extra cleaning. Thanks for watching and good luck in the hunting woods.
I have to ask.. have you done that? How did it turn out? It seemed me that with other powders the “crud ring” created near the plug would effect follow up shots. Also the ease of reloading a follow up shot was effected by the amount of crap in the barrel especially the 3rd shot in a group without cleaning. But this is just one shooter’s opinion. Thank you for watching
@@raysheppard8040 - thanks for that. Guess I should specify that it’s easier to clean. Did you have really bad pitting? Were you still able to use it? I had a wolf that I didn’t take great care that has pits in it but still puts down deer.
@@raysheppard8040 I read that comment and thought why the hell would people think that!!! Then I looked up “non-corrosive black powder”… wow never realized they actually label it as that. We will now help spread the word. Thanks that’s crazy!!
I have ran Cheddite primers a bunch since that day and not had a single issue. As a matter of fact they are 2nd only to Federal 209A in my opinion. Thank you for watching
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Thanks for all the Muzzleloader videos. I've been watching them all leading up to the controlled Muzzleloader/Shotgun hunt in southern Ontario in a few weeks.
Thanks for watching and good luck out there.
WOW, I checked on some Black Horn 209 and was not impressed at how expensive it was! $90 is a bit more than I'll pay for 8 oz of Black powder!
Right!! I just did a comparison video with Pyrodex RS vs Select and the RS gave impressive groups with 80gr by weight. I saw RS for $25 for 16oz at Walmart just last week.
Wow is right! I still have my buck tag for Ohio this year and the next best chance is muzzleloader. I haven't modern muzzleloaded in 7 years. Usually done in archery season. When picking up bullets to compare to refamiliarize myself with my TC Omega, I saw a can of BH 209 for $89. Blew me away. It was hard to get back then so I bought 3 cans at $39 each. I've never felt powder wealthy before, lol.
Magnum primers are non-existant right now. I had a partial card of 100 from earlier, but picked up a pack of Cheddite. Plan on working up the most accurate 100 yd load I can this week. Previously I was using 115 gr 209 by volume and 250gr TC Shockwave. Subsequent loading without cleaning is a plus as well as ease of cleaning.
Not sure if its just my gun but triple 7 cleans super easy for me as well
That’s awesome. What cleaner are you using?
Just normal CVA wet patches@@suburbanhunt3653
I’ve been using the BH for several year with the Cheditt primers. I’ve also used other primers and had a few hang fires. What I found is BH is very sensitive to oils. I was cleaning and using REM oil to coat the inside of the barrel. ( Highly recommend REM oil ) but make sure the barrel is dry when you load your first shot.
That’s interesting not looked at the cleaner effecting the powder but that makes sense. I use Triple 7 foaming cleaner. Thanks for that, and thanks for watching. What combo do you prefer?
@@suburbanhunt3653 CVA V2 LR I use 80gr BH and Hornady bore driver 290. My traditions pursuit 74gr and federal 270 borlock. I have a new pursuit vapr. I have not shot yet. That cva setup has been 1/4 Moa out of the box.
@@chrismoore8258 very nice!!!
Can you please do an accuracy test with blackhorn and eld X bore driver at different powder weights?!?
Lol I’m literally on the way to range to do just that!! Should drop 10/25
I use CCI rifle primers with my BH 209, never had any problems even in the rain.
I’ve never had a CCI fail either. They are a fantastic choice!!!
Have you ever thought about testing the Traditions Smackdown Carnivore Ridgeback .50cal 250-Grain? They have an interesting designed sabots with the ribs that run horizontal.
I’m about 90% sure that’s one of the ones I just picked up. I know I got 2 different Traditions projectiles. If it’s not one I will get them and see how they work. You looking for BH209 or pellet test?
BH209 would be nice to see how they preform. OR BH209 vs. Triple 7 or other loose powders??? Thanks :)
To avoid the FTF issue while using Blackhorn 209 powder (AKA Black Gold), purchase a breech plug kit from Arrowhead Rifles that utilizes Large Rifle magnum primers. This will eliminate the possibility for a FTF when you have some government beef on your Rifle sights.
I’ve only had the one time squib. I understand how this would work but man LRP are harder to find than BH209. Good luck out there.
@@suburbanhunt3653 One time is all it takes to ruin a hunt that you have worked hard to prepare for and spent a lot of $$ on. Granted, all primers are hard to find. What I am saying is, that in order to eliminate a fail to fire situation when using Blackhorn 209, switch to Large Rifle magnum primers. Often times smaller local gun stores are the place to find them, as online stores get cleaned out of inventory quickly. So other than the extra dollars needed to purchase the Arrowhead breech plug conversion kit, there isn't much disadvantage to the primer availability issue. A few months ago I found LRM primers at a large big box store and also two smaller gun stores. To save the Hazmat fee, I purchased from the smaller gun store. Blackhorn itself is hard to find and when you do, it's way overpriced. I paid $69.99 per 8 ounce bottle a year and a half ago at a local gun dealer. About 3 months ago I found some at the same dealer for a friend of mine. This time they had pasted a sticker over the top of the original $69.99 sticker that increased the price to $79.99. Needed it, paid the price. Capitalism works when the supply side isn't drastically less than demand. Right now, due to numerous reasons, the supply-demand ratio is completely out of whack. Remember the companies that are gouging you now and know who to vote for when you go to the ballot box.
Was shooting my Wolf inline the other day using Tripple 7 with the standard breech plug with no problems whatsoever. No misfires, no hang fires, not problem at all. The loose Tripple 7 seems to be a little hotter than the pellets at the same volume for some reason and was maybe a little more kick with it. I've never used the Blackhorn powder, (They are just a bit too proud of it for me).
That’s good to know. I’m curious now if there is any difference and if so how does it effect the shot. Thanks for letting us know
you should try the new variflame breech plug. it uses LRP and will cut down your group size. hotter spark and less force to push the load during ignition. also do not swab your barrel. the more crud the better with blackhorn. this should only be done with blackhorn and no other. go in to the woods with a dirty barrel. i only clean my barrel once a year. look up info from toby bridges he is the king of muzzloading.
I will look him up. Thanks again for watching
I do not think a large rifle primers would push a loaded bullet out of a muzzleloader. So, how can it be hotter?
@@jerrydaniels7824 How do you mean? Are you meaning without powder?
do u use the o-ring mod with the primer?... also use a welding tip cleaner to clean the flash hole if you dont..
No primer mods. And absolutely use the wire when needed. I really recommend the CVA primer pocket cleaner for any 209 primer pocket.
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I like that powder but its 83 dollars for 8oz where i live
Same around here.
I have same exact ML. But mine is brown color. They do make a black dipped blackhorn breech plug. I just put a Leupold Ultimate Slam ML 3x9x40mm scope on mine. I been shooting hornady 250gr sst bullet. 84grs of blackhorn by weight. Shot under a 1 inch group at 100. Last yr bass pro. I picked up 6 packs of hornady 290gr bore driver bullets. Marked down to 15.00 each. Planning on sighting my ML in with them. I know guys using cheddite 209 in there ML. Only primers they could get last yr. I use Winchester 209.
The Cheddite primers work pretty good. I have only had one not work right and I not sure it was the primers fault. I need to get the 250gr SST and see how they do. The SST video I did was with 300gr. But you can’t go wrong with the FTXs they are second only to ELDX so far in all my testing.
66 grain by Weight is 90 grains by volume with blackhorn I have a Thompson center that likes 90 grain by volume of blackhorn and a 300 sst
That awesome nothing better than having a combo you can test when it counts.
Are you cleaning between shots or taking all 3 in a row?
Taking all 3 shots. To mimic hunting situations.
I had the same issues with winchester 209 primers. Awful performance. Unburnt powder, even unburnt powder debris in the flash hole. Found 400 federal 209A. They perform perfectly. CVA accura 80gn BH209, thor hammer 250gn BT bullet, 2.5” group @100
That’s awesome!! Have you tried the Hornady ELD-X? 80gn BH209 gave me MOA groups at 100yards and just over MOA at 200.
I shot fed borloc and got a 2in group?
100 yards? That's plenty accurate enough for whitetail. Just means you have less room for human error. Do your part and it should do it's. 50 yards? I might keep testing. 4 in at 100 yards leaves almost no room for error. ?Thank you for watching and happy hunting.
Why don’t you add the primer used? It does make a difference on accuracy!
You are 100% correct. In that test I used CCI mag 209 primers. But today I used Federal 209A primers. Both run very well.
Im sticking with the Federal primers, Have you ever weighted the 50 gr pellets to see how accurate to 50gr they are ? Just curious.
yes their we very inconsistent some being a over a grain off. So in theory you could be anywhere from 97 to 103 grains for a hundred grain charge. The biggest issue with pellet is you are getting random charges. I did a video on cleaning the bore or weight pellets to try to get better groups. ruclips.net/video/dq55hNTQP3k/видео.html
In short weighting them did help as far a making 3 charges that were the same or dang close. The problem is it took almost a full box to find a combo that I would make the same charge. So it not a practical thing to do. I would switch to loose.
@@suburbanhunt3653 I'll check that video and yes I'm thinking about going back to loose powder... like I did decades ago, all there was then. Thanks 😊
Barrel length is a big factor in powder burning all the way
I’m pretty sure mine is 26 inch but I will have to double check. What you swinging?
ive heard so many good things about the blackhorn 209 but have also heard of horror stories like what happened to you but in the woods. maybe they were not using hot enough primers.not really sure. same ml as yours. the one guy hated it so much hes giving me his breech plug for loose powder
Dang. I have heard of guys having a bad jug. Maybe didn’t seal properly from the factory. But that’s rare. He got another jug and it was back to normal. That squib was a one off for me. With all my testing I’ve not had that happen again. Not really sure why that happened. But having heard multiple stories, I can understand your hesitation for using it. I don’t recommend any “Muzzleloader Only” primers for BH209. Federal 209A if you can find them. Cheddite is another good one and easier to find. Good luck and please let me know how your testing goes
@@suburbanhunt3653 I will. I got the breech plug yesterday from the guy who had problems with it
I had one squib, and I believe it was my fault. I now fire at least two primers before loading the rifle to clear all the moisture out from cleaning or sitting around.
My best group is with the CCI magnum 209
Very nice! You still able to find them easy enough?
Need hot primers and clean breech plug, I use two breech plugs and always have a clean one to start my hunt! BH 209 is still worth it…
I have to agree on BH209 being an awesome powder. I need to get to testing the loose Triple 7 and see how it compares in accuracy test. But the BH209 is defiantly the cleaner of the powders. Thank you for watching.
Blackhorn 209 is more like smokeless gun powder . It has to have back pressure for it to go off .
I've heard the BH209 produces back pressure. I'm haven't done a lot of research on back pressure requirement to go off. Interest topic. I will have to look into that. Thanks for watching and the comment.
Great job thank you
Thank you and Thank you for watching.
Powerbelts are notoriously inaccurate. Why in the world would you shoot so many versions of them.
lol because they are the most really available projectile. Thank you for watching.
Get 50 300 grain harvester gold tips and there sabots. I know they are not bore size but they are accurate.
Nice!! I just picked up some Harvester gold tips. Don't remember off hand the weight by I'm looking forward to testing them. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I like 63 by weight pushing a Barnes TED 240.
TEDs? There are so many🤯🤯. That’s awesome!! I’ve not seen TEDs but I will look for them. Best of luck this season.
@@suburbanhunt3653Primers have been impossible to get. Finally lucked into Federal 209A the other day.
How many 80gr shots do you think you get from that bottle of blackhorn?
1lb = 7000gr
BH209 comes in 8oz jugs = 1/2 lbs
1/2lbs = 3500gr
3500 / 80 = 43.75
The math would says at best 43 shots. I would say 42 would be a safe bet. The cheapest I've found it today was $32/jug + shipping and tax is $57. With 42 shots that's $1.36/ shot. Sorry about that my brain had to see that through. Hopefully that helps. 🙂 Thank you for watching.
@suburbanhunt3653 thanks for the info, now I got to decide if I want to use white hots or the powder,keep up the great videos
Great powder loved it, but at $89 for 10oz you have priced me out of the market.
I understand
they reduced it to 8oz for $90 😭
Woohoo.. I was the 209th person to like this video, 209!!!
That’s Awesome!!! Thanks for watching!!
Great powder, but the challenge is being able to afford it. $80+ for 10oz... really.
Its worst then that the new bottles are only 8oz!!! But still over $80. I completely understand. I'm looking forward to testing the Triple 7 Loose powders. If I can get the same accuracy... the price difference may just be worth the extra cleaning. Thanks for watching and good luck in the hunting woods.
Maybe just a bad primer.
Actually it’s the only Cheddite that hasn’t gone off. Just dumb bad luck that it happened in that video
😂😂😂 I tell you what. ...you want to impress don't clean it for a week show me how less corrosive it is "cleaner" don't mean jack squat
I have to ask.. have you done that? How did it turn out?
It seemed me that with other powders the “crud ring” created near the plug would effect follow up shots. Also the ease of reloading a follow up shot was effected by the amount of crap in the barrel especially the 3rd shot in a group without cleaning. But this is just one shooter’s opinion. Thank you for watching
Yup Just as corrosive
@@raysheppard8040 - thanks for that. Guess I should specify that it’s easier to clean. Did you have really bad pitting? Were you still able to use it? I had a wolf that I didn’t take great care that has pits in it but still puts down deer.
@@suburbanhunt3653 not horrible but there.. Too many these days think it is non-corrosive. I feel facts need to be stated
@@raysheppard8040 I read that comment and thought why the hell would people think that!!! Then I looked up “non-corrosive black powder”… wow never realized they actually label it as that. We will now help spread the word. Thanks that’s crazy!!
It works great with cheddite primers in my t\c impact
I have ran Cheddite primers a bunch since that day and not had a single issue. As a matter of fact they are 2nd only to Federal 209A in my opinion. Thank you for watching