@@fridgemagnett HK did advise the German government to use upgraded but more expensive parts before they first ordered them but the German government declined. HK was able to prove in court that they warned the government about this in the first place but it was neglected. And now the German government trashes the reputation of an international renowned company in an totally unfair manner...
Not only when used "as it's supposed to"! H&K says that the material is PA66. Everyone who is smart enough to ggogle the needed temperature to melt this material (depends on the exact polymer blend) could know that it is probably at around 300-350 degrees celsius. Much hotter than any shooter will grip very tight. But the interesting fact is that absoluely NO ONE could ever precise explain which exact innaccuracy was noticed on which exact distance and under which exact circumstances. NEVER. Some say that it shall be at distances of 500+ meters.... but if THIS is true: What about the ammo and their second transsonic pass? I doubt that a projectile is still very accurate behind it's 2nd transsonic pass
The problem is “supposed to” is a hell of a lot of less performance than the general public and the end users expect and need; it’s like building a sports car that’ll die if you drive over 50.
@@fridgemagnettit’s funny looking back at comments like this now that we know there was nothing wrong with the guns and what really happened was the soldiers retreated when they weren’t supposed to so they lied and blamed it there guns not working so eventually it took 4 years for the military to make up a lie and blame the ammo
After just 60 rounds? I don't buy this story... I beat the breaks off of my G36 and fired it until I could barely hold it. The thing could still shoot a tight group and function without issue. Sounds more like 18 year old grunts making excuses to me
The German soldiers fired hundreds of rounds per rifle (all in all the involved German troops fired some 28.000 rounds during the 10 hour fight against the Talibans).
@@pebo8306 That's just belt kit. There is usually at least 1 box per section (half squad) on the vehicle (840 rounds). So they had 250 on them and an absolute minimum of an extra 210 available. If they were anything like the US they were taking the newish wirebound crates with them and had one of those per half squad IE two M2A1 cans each with 840 rounds. So well over 600 rounds each.
@@gordonlawrence1448 I was not there.The Bundeswehr is not the US army!Even if they had additional ammo,which I am not sure of,it was not in magazines!Reloading the mags would,at best took time,which would let the weapons cool down. Yet I doubt it.There were 34 guy to begin with,and then a company came to rescue. Let'sa assume 120 men.The Bundeswehr claims 28000 rounds fired in total.28000:150=187! per trooper!
Some further insights from a german officer: HK delivered exactly what the Bundeswehr ordered as per specification. The weapon was build for precise single or burst fire. German infantry is using the MG3, MG4 and MG5 for automatic fire. Basically the overheating issue is a non-issue, because the weapon was just not made for this type of shooting. By the way: Most weapons will overheat after 500+shots of automatic fire. Politically former defense minister Ursula von der Leyen used the scandal in order to start the process of finding a successor rifle. Not more not less. Personally I think the G36 is a very good and precise weapon, especially the optics are pretty good for a standard rifle. Most soldiers think so by the way. The successor MK556 is already off the table again, due to patent fraud allegations. The whole process had to start over again, giving HK another chance to supply the next standard rifle of the Bundeswehr.
During my time in the infantry I never had a single jam in my G36 and can't say I ever noticed a drop in accuracy after putting through a couple of mags .. IMO this whole thing is 100% politically motivated and probably corruption of some sort in some ministry and political party
When they introduced it it was said that it will be in service for 20 years. The 20 years were over and flintenuschi tried to get some money refund from Heckler und Koch. Great rifle runs like a sewingmashine...
well i think there are Points for valid criticism concerning performance under heat, but for one they do not exceed the problems other rifles have in same conditions by much, and also this was a tradeoff willingly taken by the government at the time, as they requested a lightweight rifle. There is no Eierlegende Wollmilchsau and the rifle does exactly what the Bundeswehr requested and paid for. But i can see how a minister can be talked into thinking the rifle is shit if that minister is no weapon expert and the other person knows how to present the weapon. Also H&K are not the most 'diplomatic' guys in external communications. I'm no expert though, i just repeat what gun-jesus said.
During my time as a conscript in 1999 our Battalion switched from G3 to G36. I preferred the G3 inspite of weight, impractical size, unsuitability for certain tasks by a million times. The reason: the G3 was super forgiving against any conscript abuse. I saw G3 thrown over obstacles of the obstacle course digging the barrel in like a spear. Drill sergeant mad: hell yeah. Extra rounds of running, push-ups for the whole platoon: yes. Change of zero point: nope. Although, the larger round inspires confidence. The G3 rounds went through small trees and sand bags... Now for how I experienced the G36: Light, practical, great for running, easier to shoot. But flimsy. Not good for conscript abuse. And the zero point going off after simple mistakes like leaning the weapon against a wall and the G36 falling over. To hell with it's practically, the cooler look, lighter clear mags, and more ammo I can carry... but, then, maybe a lot of this was my bias adopting something new.
The case of the G36 will always haunt me. I know Jodi was behind all this! Whether you love or hate the G36 it's definitely an influential futuristic rifle! Check out this video I made about real life heads up display combat goggles! ruclips.net/video/O9fI9s2gAos/видео.html
I have read somewhere that the mk556 is not being adopted due to a lawsuit (hk suing haenel) due to design stealing and undercutting their cost with their design.
Didn't he (inRrange) say that he anticipated early batches might have had their shortcomings, after comparing an old german one to a newer expert piece? Also, why would it be political? The german government always sticks with HK anyways. It might have been overblown after all but there obviously was some truth at the center of the whole fuss.
@@damianm-nordhorn116 nope. Corrupt officials wanted to make a new deal to make millions out of it themselves so they claimed that the gun is trash so that the army would have to replace it. None of this is true. You can clearly watch it on RUclips as well.
@@damianm-nordhorn116 There's a pretty significant section of the German electorate, and hence also the politicians they vote for, who are VERY anti-military, which means that HK (and other German firms involved in military matters) sometimes have to endure incredible amounts of BS, the G36 thing being a prime example
@@damianm-nordhorn116 To go into the background of why this is political: the German ministry of defense is pretty much a political dead end. If you get that job you are more or less expected to drop all your ambitions for becoming chancellor. It is used to dump people you have to take into your government but you don't like them. Such was the case with one Theodor zu Guttenberg. A young promising politician from the CSU, the small sister to Merkel's CDU. He was becoming popular so Merkel had the opposition (who didn't like the guy) dig up dirt on him. Turns out he cheated when he wrote his doctoral thesis. So Merkel kicked him out and gave the Defense department to Thomas de Maizière. Problem was: the guy was incompetent. So when Merkel formed a new government she needed another pick. Ursula von der Leyen (now headhoncho of the European Parliament) sprang to mind. The woman harbored ambitions of becoming Merkel's successor and was (at the time) reasonably popular. So she got the job. But von der Leyen did not want to be stuck in the defense department and then to shoved off into obscurity. So she drummed up a scandal, to make a name for herself with the electorate. That was the G36 scandal. The reason she could do that so easily was another one: the people at the procurement service for the Bundeswehr have been there for ages and are known to be corrupt. So if a new rifle were to be adopted - they would be ingratiating themselves with the arms manufacturers, who later on would give them cushy jobs. Hence they supported von der Leyen in her endeavor. A third factor came in the form of HK's reputation - they had just been slapped with a massive fine for illegally having sold G36 rifles to Mexico. Thus they were not exactly liked by the German urban voter. So von der Leyen thought it a move that Merkel would approve of and started railing against HK (for which she was taken to court btw.). Problem was: that whole story was based off faulty data. Von der Leyen also didn't know what she was doing and thus she crashed and burned. She has the nickname "Flinten Ushi" now which roughly translates as "Shitty rifle Urusula". This was a scandal wholly of political making.
"If we threw out every M4 everytime it needed to be upgraded, then New Jersey's landfills would be made entirely of M4s!" I would say one man's trash is another man's treasure or in simple terms, free M4 for everyone!
Typical German Government Corruption. Someone with connections wanted their new guns sold to the Bundeswehr but when the new contender had connections to a human right violating country, it was better to kept the "old" G36 than being associated with that human rights violating country
The thing is, the ones in germany who are in Charge don't know anything about guns, so they directly freaked out and were like: get zis ding out of my zight
You kind of have to understand the political climate in Germany as well, it is a country that barely wants a military so when something happens that ends with more lives lost they have to change something fast.
G36 is just like you, Cappy: Extremely sexy, unfairly judged, and undeservedly harrassed by the german goverment's anti-military politicians. Whatever that means.
Please explain: How is anti-military/gun industry when you're buying a new, supposedly better gun before the former one has reached its maturity? Do you ever consider your statements might make no sense at all?
@@brugdenn There's nothing funny about SPREADING LIES. This government sure ISN'T anti military and except for the fast left "die Linke" (literally "the Left") all of German politics, including the green party this former (voluntary) conscript is voting for, sees the need for stronger German and European forces in the face of conflicts along europe's borders.
Yeah you sure know alot about our military. Did u serve in recent times? I have some examples why we Soldiers though/ think that the government don't support the german army enough. Like we did not even had Pads for our tracks on the APC...like we wasn't able to train with our tank...for 1 year...we borrowed some....and we had only 2 APCs for each company... We did not even have MREs...we got like bright white Bags packed with Civilian Trekking food, civilian sandwiches (yeah these industrial disgusting ones) and some cheapo cereal bar... I did not mind how the food taste but did u ever see a Soldier in a Simulated battlefield eating out of white Bags ? It looks so hilarious... Some examples of why the german Soldiers did not feel supported and a lot I knew quitted because of the reason. Note: these are Infos only relating to the infantry and these Infos are over 1 year old.
The whole "scandal" was a forced one. The G36s precision drops when the weapon overheats, that's a fact. But this fact ist true for every gun. The stated drop in precision is hard to achieve in battle. But it's also a fact that the G36s life cycle in the German Army reached it's end. The guns were bought in the late 90s and begun to wear out. While it's a great gun, it's not up to date when it comes to modularity. But buying new guns is expensive and such big investments in arms is a bit hard to sell to the german public. So you create such a scandal to gain support from your voters to equip your troops with new weapons.
I personally think it's also a fact of mismanagement of the German ministry of defense. It's traditionally headed by the most incompetent ministers the German government has to offer. And Ursula von der Leyen is a catastrophe. She's just all about showing headless actions to look like a decisive decision maker, while it's just headless bullshit. There are so many scandals related to her. Now by the way, she's head of EU commission.
Yeah but that was the original A1 iterations of the gun. Later G36 models had fixed this issue with CHF barrels and metal reinforcements under the polymer where heat buildup was most prevalent. It's kind of bullshit they decided to ditch it instead of modifying it and fully fixing it. You know how many times we had to fix the M4?
From my research, its a myth. Both the inaccuracy and the melting plastic, a myth. The melting plastic required far more rounds than a soldier's typical loadout be dumped through the gun full auto, an unlikely scenario. Granted the MG36 might potentially have something like that but its not really something to be worried about. Similar behaviour is seen in other guns with plastic furnature, the AK100 series getting far hotter in areas closer to plastic, and still requiring something in the order of 800 rounds full auto ammo dumped to melt the plastic off the top of my head. The inaccuracy is completely on par with similar rifles of its age. I recall mention of conflicting interests with the people who brought the criticisms out, but I don't remember the specifics so I'm taking that with a grain of salt. Either way through extreme testing neither problem has been found so whatever the reason for the criticism its not really something to worry about. I would take the G36 into battle no questions asked. I might have some questions about the MG36 though.
Something that inRangeTV discovered with the original optic would shift because it was mounted on plastic. During matches their zero would shift with the original optic while other Tommybuilt G36 with aluminum rails and newer optics never had. Of course, if you're using the gun like an M60 when the Germans already knew the machine gun version was too light, there's only so much stupid that's can be fixed.
The overheating was probably in large due to the hot and dry conditions in the Middle East, that way they wouldn't have discovered the overheating during trials in Germany.
@@Epic-pf8od Yes and no. Its true the conditions of the Middle East are vastly different and expose a number of huge problems otherwise unforseen. The SA80 being designed for the woods of Europe of the Cold War and performing terribly in the Middle East being a great example. But in this case the problem is exclusively heat to the plastic of the receiver, something which is very easily tested. And whilst they would have less heat due to the reduced outside temperatures, the hot desert would only increase the multiple-hundred degree plastic temperature by 10-30 degrees which isn't particularly significant. On top of that the testing will use far more rounds fired far faster than ever done in the Middle East due to the limitations of having tens of magazines ready loaded within hand's reach not really being viable in combat. Even moreso after the problem was revealed and tested for, and yet neither times found a realistic heat issue. After all, the same test is done in snowy Russia for the AK official channel fired until the plastic sets alight and eventually melts off the gun, so location and conditions aren't really a problem for this specific test. Very much so a problem for most guns, however.
As a Latvian I say this: ,, Hey, fritz, you got a bit of a surplus of g36 rifles there, you ah, wouldn't mind selling is a few hundred for cheap, We live next to Russia, we got minus degrees in C in Latgalia, the region that borders with Russia, so no overheating thing for us."
Yeah but the question is how well it works in sub zero, for instance the AK can hustle through it where as the M4 tends to have a problem when the bolt freezes. . . . Just get a G3, Galil, or FAL much better in cold conditions and heavy-duty
@@bambihall169 Germany is in the same climate zone as Latvia and considering they have a very nice portion of land in in-land Europe, I'd say it works just fine. Cuz if it doesn't even work in the German Fatherland climate, then why that rifle line was issued for the German army, let alone sell it to its allies. But the idea of Galil, FAL rifles, oooooh those be some nice rifles! But sadly a bit outdated, but I don't see a reason why would you need top of the line gears, those mentioned rifles work just fine, could use a bit of a modernisation thou and they be just fine.
@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 The FAL is still capable as long as its not sand. And the Galil is like the AK and FAL had a child. I would say they are both perfectly capable. And Lithuania is at a 55.3 latitude, germany is at 41.5, CT is the same in the US at 41.6 so No Lithuania is also a bit colder
The G36 is used by a whole bunch of countries (e.g. Saudi-Arabia, Spain, Portugal, Norway,...) for their armed forces or police forces. Germany also gave 8.000 of its own G36 assault rifles (together with a whole bunch of other weapons) to Iraqi Peshmerga fighters to use them against ISIS. The weapon obviously works, that it’s being replaced in German military service has more to do with politics than with the weapon itself.
The German military is horribly mismanaged. The guns are probably fine, or could be fixed with only a few slight modifications. Other countries have poly AR-18s, and they work. But honestly, they would have been better off reforging the receivers in aluminum or an alloy, and just putting the existing barrels and gas systems back in to save costs. Or hitting Japan up for a license to make their AR-18s in Germany. Or hit Korea up for a license to make Daewoos.
Sigh. For the n-teen time, only army ever reporting problems with the G-36 was the Bundeswehr. The weapon is the standard issue rifle in many militaries that never had a problem and are in love with it. Some of them did use it in desert conditions in very heated up fights (spanish forces in Iraq) and they swear by their rifle. And in fact the spanish army conducted a series of quite rigorous tests after the German combat reports from Afghanistan showed up and they found out nothing wrong with the weapon, it would handle sustained fire as well as any other modern standard issue assault rifle. So, the whole story is bollocks and all points out at political motivated chaff in order to get a rifle from someone than H&K (a company the german government has never had very good relations with) issued to the Bundeswehr.
it is not even the entirety of the Bundeswehr that had a problem with it. Overall it was a political fight. Currently making someone defense minister in germany is the easiest way to ruin their political careers and take them out as rivals so this was more something of that and then defense minister v.d. Leyen may not be good at her job, but is good at political scheming and deflected the whole affair on HK to save her own skin. Overall the Bundeswehr also kind of rethink their stance on military procurement because they have major problems with reliability in delivery and supply by the producers so I also got the feeling they wanted to nail HK against a wall to make an example. If even HK can get into hot water with the German military, who cannot? In the end it will be a HK416 now after a short scare for HK that Haenel managed to squeeze in with a cheaper offer of a similar replica (but got shot down due to patent issues when HK challenged that). Overall it makes sense. The G36 is not bad, but one essential aspect of it is its hand rail on top which was ok in 1990 when those integrated optics were a great idea, but nowadays with individualized optics you constantly have to work around that awkwardness. In the end there is not much difference in all the different 5.56 derivates. They are assault rifles, that shoot a NATO standard round and are just different configurations of the same tech.
I think the Spanish version of the gun uses an entirely different barrel. It is made with a different method and technology, not because Spain knew about this "supposed flaw" but because the Spanish company that had the license to make them had another machining, by sheer luck this different barrel is better than the german version.
@@Ridliman The gun was developed with 2 different barrels, the german army was against the heavier barrel but other nations use them because it let the g36 be kind of a LMG
@@Zmeils Yes, I know that. But what I said was that by mere luck the G36s made with Santa Bárbara's barrels (not LMG barrels) don't have that problem. Could have happened the opposite and be even worse, but this time the luck was good. Or better said: "There is only bad luck and Santa Bárbara managed to avoid it."
I am in the German Army and everyone just says it’s an fantastic weapon that it is not made for the usage in hot environments. The G36 was adopted in the 90s for a defensive use in middle Europe. Using the G36 in such hot conditions like the 50 degree summers of Afghanistan was never something that was took in consideration as the gun was designed and adopted.
The entire controversy is false. The ammo casing was too thin and since the German government didn't like amount of power HK had, they jumped on this opportunity to replace to g36. The G36 has been used in the middle East for over a decade in Afghanistan and Iraq, the fact that this problem only came up now is very fishy, not to mention, as of now, the replacement program was cancelled.
Right. I think he was comparing an old german one to a younger expert version piece and anticipated that there might have been problems with early batches.
Ian blamed the old barrels, while Karl found out that the optics also drifted because... Plastic. Adding insult to the injury, new G36s should get rid of these problems.
Just came to say the same, glad to see you all on it. Here are the videos. Ian, Forgotten Weapons - _The Truth Behind the Great G36 Controversy_ ruclips.net/video/MfPHZFsw40M/видео.html Karl, InRangeTV - _G36 Heat Stress Test_ ruclips.net/video/g4StCCv8QW0/видео.html
@@davidclemens1921 The contract has been withdrawn and the whole procurement process restarted. Haenal can enter the MK556 again if they want but it all starts from the beginning now.
I was in the german military from 2001 we where some of the first regular infantrie troops equiped with the G36. In comparison to the old G3 it was a very good weapon on the shooting range. The optics where supreme with dot sight and the longerange scope very easy to swap between the two. High accuracy nearly no kick back in comparison to G3. of course its a smaller caliber but also the gas loading mechanism took alot away as well. So you can shoot it in full auto salves and staying easy in target. The 30 Rounds seetrough magazines and the "cliptogether" option where cool.(G3 only had 20 Round mags) and it was lighter.. BUT that was all under the controlled "labratory" conditions of a shooting range... In the field there where some clear problems, one I never heard anyone adressing elsewhere. In foggy wet weather the sights got foggy from the inside so you can't see through... and because there where no iron sights on the rifle you where up for some trouble. I never shot it with the 200 round snailmag under Afgahni heat conditions. But we shot some 30 Roundmags in full auto in summer heat (30 °C) with no problems. Its like that with all Equippment you have to stress test it under every possible circumstances and then adress the problems correctly and talk to the contractor to update his merch.. I think the biggest problem is that the military has a very bad standing in germanys everyday politics. So the politicians send them on all kinds of missions but dont want to equip our guys accordingly.. its a disgrace.
Yeah, the fogging usca thing I noticed at well. In boot camp my shooting day was raining, and I was the only one who passed first try because I wrapped a napkin around the optics. Not really viable in the field. On the other hand I also never had a jam with live ammo (with blanks all the time... damn MPG...), and hit even with a defect red point. The G36 is good as is. Some new optics, and it will serve another 20 years.
we had this rifle in the 63rd Parachute Brigade is not bad I prefer the M 70 ab2 Flag this rifle sucks it overheats on the 23rd degree it seems to me that some soldiers were killed because of this rifle in 2010 when we got it in the 63rd Parachute Brigade from Greetings to fellow Paratroopers around the world
Used the rifle for years, 2 tours, no problems. I love my trusty G36. If you do a little research, you find out that this whole thing is a misunderstanding blown way out of proportion. There was never a problem with the rifle. On the other hand, we will now get the hk416, which in my humble opinion is the best rifle out there at the moment. (for general infantry use)
I don't think there is an easy fix for the g36 to install as most parts affected by overheating are molded into the plastic and therefore cannot be easily replaced. But buying an updated version of the gun would probably do the trick
@@davidclemens1921 H&K won the case mate. The gun isnt faulty. The gun wont melt. The replacement rifle specification were also insane and HK416, got adopted by the french. I suspect its a political issue.
@@almightybogza I know, but I suppose some modifications were implemented in the newer versions the Bundeswehr bought. The HK416 doesn't have similar issues since there is a lot less polymer used
@@almightybogza Its is political. As a german i can say our politicians tried to give the contract to a Saudia Arabian Company. Its another try to spend money on things that are not useful to the troops. And its a shame to throw away our iconic weapon.
Personally I think it was a combination of using a pencil barrel (remember these are old types that can string wildly as in Inrange video), a horrible/outdated reflex sight, and the German army not fully understanding the limits of the gun in wartime usage. We had the same problems with the m4 but we fixed it by introducing a heavier barrel and made improvements using new optics and fixing gas issues.
I mean the original M4 could literally blow up when you fired it in full auto, but thanks to the military sticking with it it's now a great weapon, Germany can still do it but will they? Most likely no sadly
As a German who served in the military and worked with the G36: The reasons why it will be exchanged for another rifle are not design flaws but several very incompetent defense ministers who had absolutely no knowledge of the military.
I have been in the german army for 2 years and I can say, every comrade I had loved this rifle. We had no problems with it. No jamming, no overheating, no melting. It worked just completely fine. Once I had the pleasure to empty a 100 round drum mag with the G36 (not the MG36) in full auto plus 4 or 5 normal mags with 30 rounds right after the drum mag during summer time (35°C). Had no problems, could still hit the target perfectly. It could be that there were some not good working rifles, but I never heard from anybody personally having any issues with it. I really loved the G36.
Tommy Bostic, owner of Tommy Built Tactical, has done a lot of work with HK firearms and particularly the G36. He thinks the barrel manufacturing process was the issue. He claims the barrels weren't made stress free, so when they heated up their POI shifted. In his opinion, barrels made with newer manufacturing techniques developed in the last 10-20 years would solve the issue. Another data point, the guys at In Range TV did a test between Vietnam era M16 barrels and modern pencil barrels and found that the older barrel had a significant POI shift versus the modern manufactured barrel made.
I've heard the same thing about the barrel. Spain also uses the g36 but (in theory) spanish g36s have not any heat issue since they're not manufactured in the same factory and do not use the same barrel.... That's what I've heard
@@arielgarcia5065 I've noticed the old barrel phenomenon in other guns. I used to be special forces here in sweden and I got a lot of time behind an ak5 both c and a versions. The c version was a modernisation of the a and fearured a shorter barrel. Even though it was shorter I found myself getting better groups with the new one compared to the old one.
@@isakekelund6215 it is a good evidence to add definitely. Sorry I deleted my previous comment because I'm not sure if I explained myself correctly. Thank you for telling me your experience
The firefight in 2010 lasted some 10 hours and the involved German troops fired circa 28.000 rounds with their G36 rifles, thus in the end hundreds of rounds per rifle not just 2 magazines. Three German soldiers died (two of them got killed by an IED that hit a Dingo armored vehicle) and several were wounded.
@@matteagle42 You've got 3-4 magazines which is 90-130 rounds. Then you've got 300-500 rounds carried in addition to that per person giving you a high estimate count of 630 per person. As this was several platoons this follows modern bundeswehr structure where there are 3 squads per platoon with 1 SL and two NCOs and in addition to that 7 soldiers. This means 30 people which equates to 18900 rounds or 11700 rounds in the lower end in just rifle ammunition not including additional ammunition carried in vehicles and other forces. Now consider that 300 german soldiers are officially listed as having engaged in combat during that operation. On the lower end that brings you to 117000 rounds. HOWEVER if we only count 3 magazines per person that brings you to 27000 rounds.
This was my service rifle in 2006. It was very reliable and very accurate. Easy to use I loved it. I have never heard from anyone complaining about it, until some idiots made some conclusions based on reports, which they failed to understand themselves. The rifle itself was capable of everything it was designed for. And also the cases of malfunctions I heard of, were in 90% wrong use. If a soldier fires 10 magazines in the row and then wonders why it's heaten up or why the sergeant kicks the shit out of you afterwards, because you didn't understand what fire discipline is... Than it's not the rifles fault. The G-36 is a very good tool.
i know a few German soldiers , some still serving in the army. they all love this rifle . A german Court had to solve the " Disagreement" , and came to the clue that HK did indeed delievered the G36 fitting to all requirements the Department of Defense gave them. the problem was , that the requirements werent updated since the cold war...
Knowing HK, they will solve this by installing an overdesigend liquid nitrogen hidraulic circuit and an electrically driven self-balanced barrel All made out of polymer, of course
and somehow offer it as a drop-in kit with a stubby holder and a keychain LED button light for less than the price per unit of a refurbished M16A1 drawn up from the hellish depths of the USMC arsenal.
The story makes no sense at all. Soldiers would have been putting down way more than 60 rounds through the rifle at a time over the various range shoots over the 15 or so years, at sometimes lower rates than an urgent firefight sometimes sure, but I'd bet sometimes at higher rates. In 15 years no problem was identified? And it takes a single firefight for them to throw the rifle away? Then why wasn't the the alleged flaw reproduced without fail upon subsequent testing? Add to that, you'd notice even the slightest loss of zero or accuracy during at least one of the tens of thousands of G36 range shoots in its service history. Considering the facts as presented, the controversy stinks to high heaven. My cynical brain tells me that some higher ranking members in the German military had certain shares in certain companies. Simply put, insider trading. Same shit in the Australian Army - Land 125 program was a fucking joke, no way in hell that anyone who tested that equipment actually declared it suitable for our soldiers in good faith. The tax payer footed the bill as every Infantry soldier purchased their own webbing as the issued equipment was substandard to a huge degree, and wrote off the cost of buying their own equipment come tax time, as they should. Cut to 20 years from now and grunts cant see through their fucking Mountain Dew (TM) optics as they're getting headshotted in their Doritos Nacho Cheese kevlar helmets
from what my father told me, at the range the german Soldiers get handed an spezified amount of ammo (i think 6 Rounds) wich is counted form the one handing it out and the one recieving them and put down range. So during training there isn´t a lot of overheating. But that was with the G3 and about 40 Years ago, so that might have changed. But i still think this was only a political deal, cause there are many other countries with that same rifle and no one is agreeing with that madness.
Australia did tests with the aug and found that apparently the aug can break the laws of physics. If you fire the exact same match grade cartridge out of an m4 and an aug, the aug produces less co2. Someone call steyr because they apparently found a way to solve global warming
The G36 was built for trench warfare in the russian winter. The shitty 3x optic is rated for -30°C. It was designed for extreme light weight to run around in the woods, while machine guns are for firing a lot.
A report by the Bundeswehr (German Army) on 21 February 2014 revealed that the issues were not the fault of the rifle, but that one manufacturer of ammunition was making bullets with copper-plated jackets that were too thin.
Your introduction to the rifle is faulty at best. The G36 was developed as a cheap, light rifle for an conscript army operating in central europe. It was developed after the G11 was canceled due to budget restraints. Your story about the overheating isn't right either. A news story claimed that the rifles were overheating. Something the soldiers never said and that was later even confirmed in court. The Chief of Staff of the Bundeswehr investigated further and couldn't find a single incident where overheating was a problem. The rumor about overheating G36s had started years prior when a training manual warned from using the same rifle for all soldiers during full auto training. Putting hundreds of rounds through the same rifle within minutes damages the barres - a part that is made from steel and not from polymer - but in combat no soldier will ever carry enough ammunition to get that problem. The G36 isn't a machine gun anyway and every other assault rifle has similar problems. Later it was tested against a HK416 equipped with a heavier barrel. Yes, the G36 proved to be less accurate but still well within the specifications. Even a heated G36 will still hit the target well enough. Your 20 inches are completely wrong. The G36 was upgraded several times. The G36 wasn't "thrown in the garbage" either. Originally it was intended to have a service life of 20-25 years in a conscript army. It was introduced in 1997 and is approaching the end of its time anyway. Besides, the Bundeswehr had changed into a professional army operating all over the world in NATO missions and the requirements for a service rifle changed. Still the G36 isn't going to disappear for decades the same way the G3 is still around. Your "put into the corner" comment is utterly wrong. Germany had participated in NATO missions long before Afghanistan and was even involved in combat.
The actual issue at hand, a shifting point of impact in prolonged firefights under extreme conditions, can easily be solved by replacing the barrels with the later, heavier version. Or, you know, don't supply the wrong type of ammunition.
Any army gun should be able to handle most ammo types, cause you have to shoot what you got. Being picky about ammo can be a death sentence. But yea, you need barrel that does not warp that easily, and this should had been spotted in testing.
@@mapu1 It's not about the ammo type, it was faulty ammo. It was steel core ammo with brass jacket, but the brass was too thin, it was steel on steel that caused the overheating. They investigated, and the ammo supplier admitted that it was a production error, and they sent a shipment of that ammo to Afghanistan. Forgotten Weapons has a video about this, he explains it better. The Spanish and Lithuanian militaries tested their G36 riles again, and found no faults. The Lithuanians ordered more from HK after their test. The Spanish build their own under license.
We used the same weapons for a few years. We had to change them many years ago because they did not withstand high temperatures well. In fact, our units in Africa and the Middle East had to switch to using American weapons. I don't understand how the Germans didn't realize it before. We changed all the barrels of the rifles, we made our own version with a thicker barrel.
i am from germany and not only the rifle g36 had a scandal but also it replacement has one because Haenel the producers of it are owned by a saudi arabian company there is also that h&k are in big debt. so they filled a lawsuit against the adoption of the new rifle May you could make video about the mg5 which replaced the mg3 (mg42)
Not SA but UAE ... The MAIN scandal is, that this was all political tamtam. Get HK433 with 6.5x39mm Grendel (not creedmore) and good is. HK433 the way to go, best from all HK weapons, G36A11(A3)/HK416A7 aka G95K.
@@marvintiger9631 It apparently will be a HK4616A8 (aka a custom variant for the army). The HK433 was taken out of the competition by HK themselves, not sure what the reason was, but if the company producing them considered them not fitting the contract it must have been something (and a military is something different than sport shooters). A simple answer could be a high commonality with French and Dutch new rifles which are also HK416 derivates so might fit new European defense cooperations and allow higher scale mass production.
@@apis_aculei Uhm, that is why those processes are in place and the offer was rejected after the evaluation those licensing issues are indeed there. It is not a political scandal, it is how government procurement processes work, in this case including reacting and correcting the decisions once legal challenges by a competitor were validated. Nothing scandalous about it. Haenel had the better aka cheaper offer, but that licensing issue triggers an investigation and on confirmation means a government office cannot close the contract and has to reopen the selection process. All that happened. All that is normal. All the controls actually worked here.
I have to say that I don't see why they insisted on an entirely new rifle, when they could have saved millions by doing a proper investigation and simply updating the G36 to fix the issue, because by all accounts, it's a very good rifle other than this issue, and plenty of people dispute that this issue even happens - at least to the extent described. The M16 suffered from a lot of reliability issues when launched, and the L86 was deemed practically unusable by most soldiers, but the US and UK governments took the time and spent the money to identify the issues and fix them, rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water. As a result, the M16 is one of the most beloved weapons in the world, and the L86 is now usable. The G36 was in service with no major complaints for 14 years before the problem was identified, which suggests that a) it wasn't a huge problem under normal circumstances, and b) it fundamentally works well and just needed improvements to deal with these rare circumstances. A thicker barrel, or improved airflow around the barrel, or adding a few extra aluminium parts to reinforce key stress points probably would have fixed the issue easily and at a far lower cost.
By the time no military staff would decide wether actions in supply were taken or not, so all decisions were made by consulting firms. These than were paid by commission, so they were eager to got this argument for a multi million contract laying on a silver plate.
around 5:50 The G36 was designed for police forces which didn't adopt it. The Bundeswehr needed a new weapon and the G36 met their specifications. H&K suggested the 100-200 gramms heavier MG36 variant which got a heavier barrel and thus is more reliable. The Bundeswehr declined the suggestion and took the G36 (which was a good choice back then since it was considered a weapon for defending germany). The whole drama and misinformation was primarly created by the media (as always). I shot the G36 myself. Excellent, easy to use, easy to maintain weapon. (Would rather have 7,62 for more stopping power but that's my only critique) A black G36 that will be burned by the sun in afghanistan for 6 hours will be hot before shooting. Then shooting 60 rounds in quick succession in such an environment is a really rare case. First measures was to change the color of the G36 so they don't get so hot in the first place before shooting.
It was my service rifle, cant say that i never missed a shot at mid range but even after a lot of shooting in hot weather no one ever complained. We allways shot our drills and managed to complete them
G36 is probably the most aesthetically appealing firearm ever designed. It actually hurts a bit seeing those tactical ones covered in mounts and attachments.
@@xxxod They literally said that in the video, you goof and in many other sources. It's why they threw it in the can the moment they say they are junk.
@@xxxod "The main issue cited with the G36 was that it became inaccurate when it overheated, either because of continuous fire, or the climate it was in."- You find this on all sources but you keep puffing your delusions, lol.
When the bundeswehr was first deployed to Afghanistan zhey actually used the g36 as a light machine gun with bigger magazines. Nowadays they use the mg4 for this
It’s an awesome weapon. The problem are two things. 1. The German army used to only have the G36 in Afghanistan. So it also was used MG and DMR. Wich is was obviously not meant for. 2. The reflexviser is plastic on plastic. So it shifted and lost zeroing. Now the combat troops have new sights. Additional infos: 1. Tye MK556 is unadopted due to patent infringement. 2. The first main battle rifle of the Bundeswehr actually was the FN G1 (FAL) but it only was used till 1959. 3. The MG36 was never adopted by the German army bc the barrel is so slightly heavier that it wouldn’t do much. 4. The things you can use to stack the mags together are disliked by soldiers since the make reloading take longer
No one has claimed that it melts.The plastic has absolutely nothing to do with the alleged problem. The barrel is said to warp when it gets hot from continuous fire. But this is only half true, because the G36 does not warp more in heat than any other rifle. In the end it was only because of bad ammunition. The MK556 deal was cancelled also. The G36 is currently not replaced.
Hmm...Better find out more about this ammo you reference. Don't want any of my rifles getting "warped" barrels from bad ammo. Ah...Who actually believes this BS?
As a German, i like the G36. We are trained to treat it more as a Battlerifle rather than an automatic bullethose. It's super accurate, pretty light compared to other modern Rifles and looks nice too. The only thing i didnt like too much was the Dreifach-Zielfernrohr and its handle in Urban or Wooded areas, was a bit clunky and really not good for peripheral vision. Usualy went with the G36C and a reflexsight if we were allowed to, it handled burst just fine, i never really used full-auto both at the range and during practice scenarios with blanks. I was one of the last 18 year olds serving their mandatory year under the Wehrpflicht before it was abolished so the scandal was already known. Altough i only heard about it once they handed us a G36 during instructions and one of my fellow trainees groaned in disgust complaining about it. Our Instructor told him he had a good idea how he could "warm" up to it and ordered him to run two laps around the Armory with it.
I always liked the way the G36 looked. It’s kind of like a nerf gun, you can make it look like a completely different rifle by snapping a couple of attachments on.
Woah, I can't believe the Bersagliere was not disbanded after WW2. Because I just noticed two of the soldiers have some "black feather" stuff on their helmet, which is the distinctive characteristic of the following military unit.
You missed another major claim. Soldiers claimed that during training the guns were left lying on the ground in between range drills and that after this time in the sun they would be less accurate. Official testing was unable to replicate this claim but the story spread. Karl of RUclips channel InRangeTV got himself a G36 clone and an original Hensoldt optic identical to what the German Army originally issued. His own range experiments were also unable to replicate an unacceptable loss in accuracy until he shot it at a competitive match. During the match he started seeing accuracy problems and another shooter while handling the rifle was able to flex the optic quite far out of place with just his hand. It seems the problem isn't where the polymer interacts with barrel but instead how the sight is mounted. Hence why you see many photos of G36s with steel top rails (instead of the original polymer) and aftermarket optics.
As someone with many friends in the german Bundeswehr, I can say that the soldiers loved the g36. And that they always tell the same story. The gun is awesome but the scope ruins the damn rifle. The scope actually can wable a fair bit and you loose zero. They say since some of them used the idz version the problems are mysteriously gone. The 3,5x scope is the problem. I myself have a hensoltd 1,5x g36c scope (basicly the carryhandlescope without the carryhandle and for pic-rails) and even there the scopepart can wable in the plastic where it lives. But yeah the g36 is a fine rifle inrange basicly made the same conclusion.
What happened to the G36 was the optic, it was applied too loose and wouldn't hold zero properly. After they dumped the Hensoldt optic for a picatinny rail, the problem basically disappeared. Still a great video.
One of my tenants was a soldier in Afghanistan and had a lot of experience with the G36. He told me that he and his unit had never had any problems with the G36, the weapon was precise and above all extremely reliable. The talk about the supposedly decreasing precision of the G36 when hot-fired had, in his opinion, another reason: There is also a light MG version of the G36 with reinforced components and a thicker barrel (MG36). However, this light MG was not procured because the decision-makers saw too little difference to the G36. The troops in Afghanistan thus had only the MG 3 as their initial MG, an excellent weapon but heavy and bulky. As a result, the G36 assault rifle was often "abused" as a light machine gun, which did not correspond to the intended use of the G36 with its thinner barrel profile. Under this extreme load, the weapon naturally began to scatter more when hot-fired than when used as intended. But this would have been the case with any assault rifle and cannot be blamed on the G36.
So basically they made a problem about barrel issues even though all other rifles of that class would have issues? Typical. I suggest germany keeps using the MG3 then
I spoke to a Handful German soldiers and they all love the G36, they have no problems with overheating or precision. Most of the German media claimed that it would overheat and have problems after continuous fire (more than 250 in one burst). It’s not a MG and even MGs need a barrel change, plus one solider only carries 160 rounds and would never fire everything in one burst.
I fired around a thousand rounds through this weapon when I was in the U.S. army stationed in Germany. Got a gold shutzensnier marksmanship badge with this rifle along with the mg3 and their sniper rifle. The g36 just feels good and it is light. It is not as good as the m-16 for burst group. This rifle is beautiful for cqb and clearing buildings. Not sure if the melting rumors are true,
Are you Malaysian? Because the only people actually using the XM8 to any extend is the Malaysian Navy, not quite the same rifle most people got to know from US trials and media, but an XM8 at the core.
You make great points, specially when pointing up that the M4 (and M16 too) had troubles early on because thats what happens with new stuff. Its in use in my home country and veterans I know liked it a lot. Besides, I'm sure both H&K and the german army tested it throughly and if those problems didn't arise at the time its probably a fluke or those defective bullets in the incident.
You have 44 different countries that use the G36 in some capacity, many of them did some retesting after the controversy came out, no one has found anything actually wrong with the gun .
This is an icon I’ve always wanted to own since I was a kid. Even got an air soft version. Got to shoot the main rifle in OIR 19, fell in love (except the goofy integrated optic). Thank God for Tommybuilt Tactical.
You know what I noticed? That Task & Purpose used a video clip that has nothing to do with the G36. At 7:10, it's an Italian Beretta assault rifle or some Scandanavian rifle (can't quite tell...), but it ain't a G36, buddy...pay attention to editing quality next time, instead of insulting New Jersey landfills...
Am I a douche for thinking that the "good intentioned clusterf*ck" definition also applied to you, Chris? Good intentioned hooah, and keep it up, my dude!
I have talked to some soldiers who were in Afghanistan. If they had had the MG3 at their disposal, they would not have had to abuse the G36 as a machine gun. They were sent on a war mission without a machine gun.
At first i have to point out i never liked to shot the G36 in my active time of duty in the german army, so that no one can call me a "fanboy". I loved my UZI! :D But i have to correct some points. I knew the G36 very well and can compare it to other major assault rifle plattforms due to personel expiriences with many of them over the last two decades. The overheating problems of the G36 never resulted in melting plastic! Thats a total bullshit. The main issue was a lack of precision in hot climate zones by using the assult rifle G36 for extented supressive fire next to other problems like lack of modularity on users level (no picatinnys to change optics or add other equipment like flash etc., very high line of sights, fogging of optics). The G36 in the version was never ment to do the job of a MG an deliver suppressive fire for longer period. H&K pointed that out before the contract was signed. Further the G36 was designed for war scenario in the middle of Europe in a Cold War situation. So at that point nobody was aiming or thinking for german military action in hot climate zones like Afghanistan etc. But back to the beginning. The real problem lays back in the time when the german armed forces were loooking for a new rifle. I'll keep it simple. The Bundeswehr was looking for a new assault rifle for usage in a middle european battle environment, it should be light and very precice with easy one shot capability up to 500 meter. And HK developed and offered the G36. The Bundeswehr said to H&K as they first saw it: "Make it lighter, its to heavy" HK: "Ok we can put on a lighter barrel but than u can have precision problems after long time rapid fire and in hotter environments." Bundeswehr: "Nah, thats ok we just defend Germany and Nato in the center of europe and its just an assault rifle and no MG." "Hey, H&K can you make it that we can use it as a light MG?" and HK answered: "Of course, we'll put a heavier barrel on so there won't be any overheating issues, a drummag and a bipod so it can handle this job well." Bundeswehr: "Uhhhh, nice... but wouldn' it be bit to heavy?" HK: "Sure, but thats the price you have to pay when you whant a light MG." Politicians: "What? Did i hear the word price? How much will it cost to get all this rifles with MG capabilities? HK: "This XXXXXXXXXXXX!" Politicians: "No Bundeswehr thats to expensive" Bundeswehr:" Damn, but we want it :( ... can we just have the bipods and the drummags? And teach our soldiers not to use it as a real light MG?" Politicians: "OK, that would fit the budget if you only order the bipod and the drummag for an ammount of XXXX of the assault rifles." Bundeswehr: "Hmmmm shit... but better than nothing." That was the Story. Other Nations ordered the G36 with the heavier barrel as it was offered first to the Bundeswehr. The G36 itself is not a total garbage the peanutcounters in government and the change of the world made it an unlucky little rifle. I can tell it is in centeral european conditions one of the most reliable and user friendliest infantry rifles of the last few decades. If it had the heavier barrel to the begin, ther wont be any issues and it would easy compede with M4/M16 and any other plattform. In fact i saw uncountable malfunctions of M4/M16, we used to train a lot with US troops as well as GB, Poland, Austria, Netherlands, France, Spain, Portugal and Italy the G36 was always a reliable rifle. So the displacement of the G36 is mainly forced by politicians, like the former minister of defence Ursula von der Leyen, backed by lobbyists. Never the less the G36 in its actual variant in the german army dosn't meet the requirements for a modern infantry rifle in worldwide operational scenarios in any climate zone.
I read that the german military version G36 also used cheaper plastic in their recievers. They (not so much the military itself but the bean counters) wanted the cheapest version of the rifle, that was possible and so pressured H&K into using the cheapest plastic possible.
I served in the German army in 2001, and got a brand new G36 rifle. I absolutely loved it. Light, accurate over a long range, two different optics, easy to maintain and clean. Never had an issue with it, but then I never shot more than 90 bullets within a couple of minutes.
Even if it was replaced it would be like our situation with the ngsw. It'll be ten years or more before the old weapons are phased out and the new ones brought in
@@damianm-nordhorn116 They aren't sure what weapon they want to take. (Haenel was successfully sued for patent infringement) And the German government seems to purposefully be looking in all directions but HK so the 416 is also pretty unlikely.
@@TREX_04 That's not accurate. There was no lawsuit, just a successful complaint (precisely a request for a review) as it "could not be ruled out" that there actually was some parent infringement. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenel_MK_556 Actually, I think this whole thing is a mess and it's very unfortunate that by now most competitors (this time SIG Sauer, Rheinmetall/Steyer) are so pissed that is gonna be hard to find anyone competing for the next contract. In fact it rather seems like all tenders so far were designed to favor HK. ..also is almost unimaginable that one can deliver a good rifle WITHOUT making a loss at price below 1500€.
Forgotten Weapons made a very good explanation about it. TLDR: Rifle is fine, it doesn't melt when used as it's supposed to.
The plastic trunnion had something to do with the troubles.
@@fridgemagnett HK did advise the German government to use upgraded but more expensive parts before they first ordered them but the German government declined. HK was able to prove in court that they warned the government about this in the first place but it was neglected. And now the German government trashes the reputation of an international renowned company in an totally unfair manner...
Not only when used "as it's supposed to"!
H&K says that the material is PA66. Everyone who is smart enough to ggogle the needed temperature to melt this material (depends on the exact polymer blend) could know that it is probably at around 300-350 degrees celsius. Much hotter than any shooter will grip very tight.
But the interesting fact is that absoluely NO ONE could ever precise explain which exact innaccuracy was noticed on which exact distance and under which exact circumstances. NEVER.
Some say that it shall be at distances of 500+ meters.... but if THIS is true:
What about the ammo and their second transsonic pass? I doubt that a projectile is still very accurate behind it's 2nd transsonic pass
The problem is “supposed to” is a hell of a lot of less performance than the general public and the end users expect and need; it’s like building a sports car that’ll die if you drive over 50.
@@fridgemagnettit’s funny looking back at comments like this now that we know there was nothing wrong with the guns and what really happened was the soldiers retreated when they weren’t supposed to so they lied and blamed it there guns not working so eventually it took 4 years for the military to make up a lie and blame the ammo
I just really like the way it looks
And that is why you'll lose the gunfight.
@@carlosmaya701 who said I would use it lol
I don’t like the way it looks. The more compact ones like the G36C with maybe a holo without the mount and it would be good.
it was my cod4 primary because of this very reason. man, i saw the carbine in the thumbnail and got confused. i know the g36 wasn't in cod4.
It is a Teutonic looking rifle.
After just 60 rounds? I don't buy this story... I beat the breaks off of my G36 and fired it until I could barely hold it. The thing could still shoot a tight group and function without issue. Sounds more like 18 year old grunts making excuses to me
The German soldiers fired hundreds of rounds per rifle (all in all the involved German troops fired some 28.000 rounds during the 10 hour fight against the Talibans).
@@HingerlAlois Each soldier just had 250 rounds with him! There is also the famous "machinegun saga",which is not true also!
@@pebo8306 More ammunition is normally carried in the vehicels .
@@pebo8306 That's just belt kit. There is usually at least 1 box per section (half squad) on the vehicle (840 rounds). So they had 250 on them and an absolute minimum of an extra 210 available. If they were anything like the US they were taking the newish wirebound crates with them and had one of those per half squad IE two M2A1 cans each with 840 rounds. So well over 600 rounds each.
@@gordonlawrence1448 I was not there.The Bundeswehr is not the US army!Even if they had additional ammo,which I am not sure of,it was not in magazines!Reloading the mags would,at best took time,which would let the weapons cool down.
Yet I doubt it.There were 34 guy to begin with,and then a company came to rescue.
Let'sa assume 120 men.The Bundeswehr claims 28000 rounds fired in total.28000:150=187! per trooper!
Some further insights from a german officer:
HK delivered exactly what the Bundeswehr ordered as per specification. The weapon was build for precise single or burst fire. German infantry is using the MG3, MG4 and MG5 for automatic fire. Basically the overheating issue is a non-issue, because the weapon was just not made for this type of shooting. By the way: Most weapons will overheat after 500+shots of automatic fire.
Politically former defense minister Ursula von der Leyen used the scandal in order to start the process of finding a successor rifle. Not more not less. Personally I think the G36 is a very good and precise weapon, especially the optics are pretty good for a standard rifle. Most soldiers think so by the way. The successor MK556 is already off the table again, due to patent fraud allegations. The whole process had to start over again, giving HK another chance to supply the next standard rifle of the Bundeswehr.
Politicians out to make a euro lol
Now they signed a contract to buy the HK416
@@kekseze3990 Just in time till all armies adapt to better ammo capable of going through most body armor.
During my time in the infantry I never had a single jam in my G36 and can't say I ever noticed a drop in accuracy after putting through a couple of mags .. IMO this whole thing is 100% politically motivated and probably corruption of some sort in some ministry and political party
When they introduced it it was said that it will be in service for 20 years. The 20 years were over and flintenuschi tried to get some money refund from Heckler und Koch. Great rifle runs like a sewingmashine...
yea germany is looking for a reason to invade poland again
well i think there are Points for valid criticism concerning performance under heat, but for one they do not exceed the problems other rifles have in same conditions by much, and also this was a tradeoff willingly taken by the government at the time, as they requested a lightweight rifle. There is no Eierlegende Wollmilchsau and the rifle does exactly what the Bundeswehr requested and paid for. But i can see how a minister can be talked into thinking the rifle is shit if that minister is no weapon expert and the other person knows how to present the weapon. Also H&K are not the most 'diplomatic' guys in external communications.
I'm no expert though, i just repeat what gun-jesus said.
During my time as a conscript in 1999 our Battalion switched from G3 to G36. I preferred the G3 inspite of weight, impractical size, unsuitability for certain tasks by a million times. The reason: the G3 was super forgiving against any conscript abuse. I saw G3 thrown over obstacles of the obstacle course digging the barrel in like a spear. Drill sergeant mad: hell yeah. Extra rounds of running, push-ups for the whole platoon: yes. Change of zero point: nope. Although, the larger round inspires confidence. The G3 rounds went through small trees and sand bags...
Now for how I experienced the G36: Light, practical, great for running, easier to shoot. But flimsy. Not good for conscript abuse. And the zero point going off after simple mistakes like leaning the weapon against a wall and the G36 falling over. To hell with it's practically, the cooler look, lighter clear mags, and more ammo I can carry... but, then, maybe a lot of this was my bias adopting something new.
Heh, sounds like a MAGA rant, inspired by some imaginary conspiracy.
The case of the G36 will always haunt me. I know Jodi was behind all this! Whether you love or hate the G36 it's definitely an influential futuristic rifle!
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Nice video and very informative and very entertaining and very satisfaction more videos.
The velocity of the rifle we talk about is at around 920m/sec, the 850m/sec velocity is the from the K-versions with a shorter barrel
I have read somewhere that the mk556 is not being adopted due to a lawsuit (hk suing haenel) due to design stealing and undercutting their cost with their design.
I’m with you, the G36 is a Teutonic rifle.
This is completely been disproven by both Inrangetv and 9 hole reviews it was entirely political.
Didn't he (inRrange) say that he anticipated early batches might have had their shortcomings, after comparing an old german one to a newer expert piece?
Also, why would it be political?
The german government always sticks with HK anyways.
It might have been overblown after all but there obviously was some truth at the center of the whole fuss.
Someone who has a clue. 👍🏻
@@damianm-nordhorn116 nope. Corrupt officials wanted to make a new deal to make millions out of it themselves so they claimed that the gun is trash so that the army would have to replace it. None of this is true. You can clearly watch it on RUclips as well.
@@damianm-nordhorn116 There's a pretty significant section of the German electorate, and hence also the politicians they vote for, who are VERY anti-military, which means that HK (and other German firms involved in military matters) sometimes have to endure incredible amounts of BS, the G36 thing being a prime example
@@damianm-nordhorn116 To go into the background of why this is political: the German ministry of defense is pretty much a political dead end. If you get that job you are more or less expected to drop all your ambitions for becoming chancellor. It is used to dump people you have to take into your government but you don't like them. Such was the case with one Theodor zu Guttenberg. A young promising politician from the CSU, the small sister to Merkel's CDU. He was becoming popular so Merkel had the opposition (who didn't like the guy) dig up dirt on him. Turns out he cheated when he wrote his doctoral thesis. So Merkel kicked him out and gave the Defense department to Thomas de Maizière. Problem was: the guy was incompetent. So when Merkel formed a new government she needed another pick. Ursula von der Leyen (now headhoncho of the European Parliament) sprang to mind. The woman harbored ambitions of becoming Merkel's successor and was (at the time) reasonably popular. So she got the job. But von der Leyen did not want to be stuck in the defense department and then to shoved off into obscurity. So she drummed up a scandal, to make a name for herself with the electorate. That was the G36 scandal.
The reason she could do that so easily was another one: the people at the procurement service for the Bundeswehr have been there for ages and are known to be corrupt. So if a new rifle were to be adopted - they would be ingratiating themselves with the arms manufacturers, who later on would give them cushy jobs. Hence they supported von der Leyen in her endeavor.
A third factor came in the form of HK's reputation - they had just been slapped with a massive fine for illegally having sold G36 rifles to Mexico. Thus they were not exactly liked by the German urban voter.
So von der Leyen thought it a move that Merkel would approve of and started railing against HK (for which she was taken to court btw.). Problem was: that whole story was based off faulty data. Von der Leyen also didn't know what she was doing and thus she crashed and burned. She has the nickname "Flinten Ushi" now which roughly translates as "Shitty rifle Urusula". This was a scandal wholly of political making.
"If we threw out every M4 everytime it needed to be upgraded, then New Jersey's landfills would be made entirely of M4s!" I would say one man's trash is another man's treasure or in simple terms, free M4 for everyone!
How many californians do you think would jump at the chance to snag one for themselves?
@@anelbegic2780 every californian
*As a Californian, I can detest that I would leap at a chance of getting a free M4.*
Thats bs. 3rd world countries would buy those surplus rifles in no time
Stimulus checks will now be payed out in the form of military grade weaponry.
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TLDR: it was never an issue, there is nothing wrong with the rifle.
The problem is behind the sight, I have heard from people working there that they barely shoot, might want to think about that though
Typical German Government Corruption. Someone with connections wanted their new guns sold to the Bundeswehr but when the new contender had connections to a human right violating country, it was better to kept the "old" G36 than being associated with that human rights violating country
@@SeraphimRoad yea, thats about it
How do you know the weapon didn't malfunction?
@@SeraphimRoad What?
The thing is, the ones in germany who are in Charge don't know anything about guns, so they directly freaked out and were like: get zis ding out of my zight
That's what happens when you have an incompetent woman as minister of defense that never even fire a gun.
@@G31M1 We've had way too many of them already .. :/
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@@G31M1 don't worry, now she leads whole EU 🤣
You kind of have to understand the political climate in Germany as well, it is a country that barely wants a military so when something happens that ends with more lives lost they have to change something fast.
G36 is just like you, Cappy: Extremely sexy, unfairly judged, and undeservedly harrassed by the german goverment's anti-military politicians. Whatever that means.
Please explain:
How is anti-military/gun industry when you're buying a new, supposedly better gun before the former one has reached its maturity?
Do you ever consider your statements might make no sense at all?
@@damianm-nordhorn116 huh?
@@damianm-nordhorn116 this joke went so over your head
@@brugdenn
There's nothing funny about SPREADING LIES.
This government sure ISN'T anti military and except for the fast left "die Linke" (literally "the Left") all of German politics, including the green party this former (voluntary) conscript is voting for, sees the need for stronger German and European forces in the face of conflicts along europe's borders.
Yeah you sure know alot about our military. Did u serve in recent times? I have some examples why we Soldiers though/ think that the government don't support the german army enough. Like we did not even had Pads for our tracks on the APC...like we wasn't able to train with our tank...for 1 year...we borrowed some....and we had only 2 APCs for each company...
We did not even have MREs...we got like bright white Bags packed with Civilian Trekking food, civilian sandwiches (yeah these industrial disgusting ones) and some cheapo cereal bar...
I did not mind how the food taste but did u ever see a Soldier in a Simulated battlefield eating out of white Bags ? It looks so hilarious...
Some examples of why the german Soldiers did not feel supported and a lot I knew quitted because of the reason.
Note: these are Infos only relating to the infantry and these Infos are over 1 year old.
Also do a video On the ACR and why it was never adopted
I would live a vid on that
Yes.
yes
yes
So much potential....
Not a H&K fangirl, but the german govt and bundeswehr dropped the ball this time
Fangirl?
_looks at pfp_
_reads profile name_
Seems legit
@@mtf_nine_tailed_fox385 You can be a fangirl no matter what gender, especially the HK guys because their nuts retract when they see an HK slap.
Don't worry, they've not picked up or shown any balls in the last 15 years.
@@kmit9191 ah yes actually getting things done = having no balls
this time? you mean since they reunite with the DDR
The whole "scandal" was a forced one. The G36s precision drops when the weapon overheats, that's a fact. But this fact ist true for every gun. The stated drop in precision is hard to achieve in battle. But it's also a fact that the G36s life cycle in the German Army reached it's end. The guns were bought in the late 90s and begun to wear out. While it's a great gun, it's not up to date when it comes to modularity. But buying new guns is expensive and such big investments in arms is a bit hard to sell to the german public. So you create such a scandal to gain support from your voters to equip your troops with new weapons.
Not anymore ahahahh
I personally think it's also a fact of mismanagement of the German ministry of defense. It's traditionally headed by the most incompetent ministers the German government has to offer. And Ursula von der Leyen is a catastrophe. She's just all about showing headless actions to look like a decisive decision maker, while it's just headless bullshit. There are so many scandals related to her. Now by the way, she's head of EU commission.
Yeah but that was the original A1 iterations of the gun. Later G36 models had fixed this issue with CHF barrels and metal reinforcements under the polymer where heat buildup was most prevalent. It's kind of bullshit they decided to ditch it instead of modifying it and fully fixing it. You know how many times we had to fix the M4?
From my research, its a myth. Both the inaccuracy and the melting plastic, a myth. The melting plastic required far more rounds than a soldier's typical loadout be dumped through the gun full auto, an unlikely scenario. Granted the MG36 might potentially have something like that but its not really something to be worried about. Similar behaviour is seen in other guns with plastic furnature, the AK100 series getting far hotter in areas closer to plastic, and still requiring something in the order of 800 rounds full auto ammo dumped to melt the plastic off the top of my head. The inaccuracy is completely on par with similar rifles of its age.
I recall mention of conflicting interests with the people who brought the criticisms out, but I don't remember the specifics so I'm taking that with a grain of salt. Either way through extreme testing neither problem has been found so whatever the reason for the criticism its not really something to worry about. I would take the G36 into battle no questions asked. I might have some questions about the MG36 though.
Wow, marry me
Something that inRangeTV discovered with the original optic would shift because it was mounted on plastic. During matches their zero would shift with the original optic while other Tommybuilt G36 with aluminum rails and newer optics never had.
Of course, if you're using the gun like an M60 when the Germans already knew the machine gun version was too light, there's only so much stupid that's can be fixed.
The overheating was probably in large due to the hot and dry conditions in the Middle East, that way they wouldn't have discovered the overheating during trials in Germany.
@@Epic-pf8od Yes and no. Its true the conditions of the Middle East are vastly different and expose a number of huge problems otherwise unforseen. The SA80 being designed for the woods of Europe of the Cold War and performing terribly in the Middle East being a great example. But in this case the problem is exclusively heat to the plastic of the receiver, something which is very easily tested. And whilst they would have less heat due to the reduced outside temperatures, the hot desert would only increase the multiple-hundred degree plastic temperature by 10-30 degrees which isn't particularly significant. On top of that the testing will use far more rounds fired far faster than ever done in the Middle East due to the limitations of having tens of magazines ready loaded within hand's reach not really being viable in combat. Even moreso after the problem was revealed and tested for, and yet neither times found a realistic heat issue.
After all, the same test is done in snowy Russia for the AK official channel fired until the plastic sets alight and eventually melts off the gun, so location and conditions aren't really a problem for this specific test. Very much so a problem for most guns, however.
@@olivialambert4124 Were the soldiers lying about the overheating or did it never happen in the first place?
As a Latvian I say this: ,, Hey, fritz, you got a bit of a surplus of g36 rifles there, you ah, wouldn't mind selling is a few hundred for cheap, We live next to Russia, we got minus degrees in C in Latgalia, the region that borders with Russia, so no overheating thing for us."
Negaidīju šeit ieraudzīt vēl kādu Latvieti :D
I love your camouflage uniforms. Multi Latpat is fucking awesome!
Yeah but the question is how well it works in sub zero, for instance the AK can hustle through it where as the M4 tends to have a problem when the bolt freezes. . . . Just get a G3, Galil, or FAL much better in cold conditions and heavy-duty
@@bambihall169 Germany is in the same climate zone as Latvia and considering they have a very nice portion of land in in-land Europe, I'd say it works just fine. Cuz if it doesn't even work in the German Fatherland climate, then why that rifle line was issued for the German army, let alone sell it to its allies. But the idea of Galil, FAL rifles, oooooh those be some nice rifles! But sadly a bit outdated, but I don't see a reason why would you need top of the line gears, those mentioned rifles work just fine, could use a bit of a modernisation thou and they be just fine.
@@jekabsojarsulskis9740 The FAL is still capable as long as its not sand. And the Galil is like the AK and FAL had a child. I would say they are both perfectly capable. And Lithuania is at a 55.3 latitude, germany is at 41.5, CT is the same in the US at 41.6 so No Lithuania is also a bit colder
So in 13 years no kraut magdumped Two mags? Seems likely
Ofc they did. There is more to this story if you do some digging.
lol
The G36 is used by a whole bunch of countries (e.g. Saudi-Arabia, Spain, Portugal, Norway,...) for their armed forces or police forces.
Germany also gave 8.000 of its own G36 assault rifles (together with a whole bunch of other weapons) to Iraqi Peshmerga fighters to use them against ISIS.
The weapon obviously works, that it’s being replaced in German military service has more to do with politics than with the weapon itself.
The German military is horribly mismanaged. The guns are probably fine, or could be fixed with only a few slight modifications. Other countries have poly AR-18s, and they work. But honestly, they would have been better off reforging the receivers in aluminum or an alloy, and just putting the existing barrels and gas systems back in to save costs. Or hitting Japan up for a license to make their AR-18s in Germany. Or hit Korea up for a license to make Daewoos.
@@flyboymike111357 There is more to this story. The rifles are fine.
Sigh. For the n-teen time, only army ever reporting problems with the G-36 was the Bundeswehr. The weapon is the standard issue rifle in many militaries that never had a problem and are in love with it. Some of them did use it in desert conditions in very heated up fights (spanish forces in Iraq) and they swear by their rifle. And in fact the spanish army conducted a series of quite rigorous tests after the German combat reports from Afghanistan showed up and they found out nothing wrong with the weapon, it would handle sustained fire as well as any other modern standard issue assault rifle.
So, the whole story is bollocks and all points out at political motivated chaff in order to get a rifle from someone than H&K (a company the german government has never had very good relations with) issued to the Bundeswehr.
it is not even the entirety of the Bundeswehr that had a problem with it. Overall it was a political fight. Currently making someone defense minister in germany is the easiest way to ruin their political careers and take them out as rivals so this was more something of that and then defense minister v.d. Leyen may not be good at her job, but is good at political scheming and deflected the whole affair on HK to save her own skin. Overall the Bundeswehr also kind of rethink their stance on military procurement because they have major problems with reliability in delivery and supply by the producers so I also got the feeling they wanted to nail HK against a wall to make an example. If even HK can get into hot water with the German military, who cannot?
In the end it will be a HK416 now after a short scare for HK that Haenel managed to squeeze in with a cheaper offer of a similar replica (but got shot down due to patent issues when HK challenged that).
Overall it makes sense. The G36 is not bad, but one essential aspect of it is its hand rail on top which was ok in 1990 when those integrated optics were a great idea, but nowadays with individualized optics you constantly have to work around that awkwardness. In the end there is not much difference in all the different 5.56 derivates. They are assault rifles, that shoot a NATO standard round and are just different configurations of the same tech.
I think the Spanish version of the gun uses an entirely different barrel. It is made with a different method and technology, not because Spain knew about this "supposed flaw" but because the Spanish company that had the license to make them had another machining, by sheer luck this different barrel is better than the german version.
@@Ridliman The gun was developed with 2 different barrels, the german army was against the heavier barrel but other nations use them because it let the g36 be kind of a LMG
@@Zmeils Yes, I know that. But what I said was that by mere luck the G36s made with Santa Bárbara's barrels (not LMG barrels) don't have that problem. Could have happened the opposite and be even worse, but this time the luck was good. Or better said: "There is only bad luck and Santa Bárbara managed to avoid it."
@@mangalores-x_x destroy someones career? Wasn't van den Leyen promoted to head of all Europe?
As a German I had to laugh at the time out corner joke x'D
Real Germans go to the basement to laugh. You must be Bavarian.
@@SeraphimRoad for me is Bavarian not a part of Germany cuz It wanted to be a country of its own 😂
@@blade4835 genau so is es wir ziehen mit Tracht ind schlacht ned mit eich preisn 😂
@@greenfamily3000 hoffe ihr werdet bald n eigenes Land 😂
I am in the German Army and everyone just says it’s an fantastic weapon that it is not made for the usage in hot environments. The G36 was adopted in the 90s for a defensive use in middle Europe. Using the G36 in such hot conditions like the 50 degree summers of Afghanistan was never something that was took in consideration as the gun was designed and adopted.
So true. You don't try to drift in a dragster and complain when your car tips over, do you?
The entire controversy is false. The ammo casing was too thin and since the German government didn't like amount of power HK had, they jumped on this opportunity to replace to g36. The G36 has been used in the middle East for over a decade in Afghanistan and Iraq, the fact that this problem only came up now is very fishy, not to mention, as of now, the replacement program was cancelled.
Thought Ian from Forgotten Weapons sorted this out a year or two ago.
Right. I think he was comparing an old german one to a younger expert version piece and anticipated that there might have been problems with early batches.
demos113 He did lmao
Just watched it again.
Besides possible "wear&tear" on the german parts he mentioned a different production process for earlier barrels.
Ian blamed the old barrels, while Karl found out that the optics also drifted because... Plastic. Adding insult to the injury, new G36s should get rid of these problems.
Just came to say the same, glad to see you all on it. Here are the videos.
Ian, Forgotten Weapons -
_The Truth Behind the Great G36 Controversy_
ruclips.net/video/MfPHZFsw40M/видео.html
Karl, InRangeTV -
_G36 Heat Stress Test_
ruclips.net/video/g4StCCv8QW0/видео.html
The MK556 has already been canceled since Haenel infringed on H&K patents.
That... I didnt know
It has not been cancelled but the procurement process has been paused until they have figured out if the complaints by H&K are valid.
@@davidclemens1921 The contract has been withdrawn and the whole procurement process restarted. Haenal can enter the MK556 again if they want but it all starts from the beginning now.
@@kleist5083 unlikely considering that coasts millions and years of time. Haenel wasn't alone in the contract anyway and other have the capacity.
Haenel is likely to fend off the copyright infringement, at least thats what I read in an article published by the biggest news outlet in Germany
I came here for the comments then I realized this video was uploaded 90 seconds ago.
Maybe the real comment section was the friends we made along the way
Ppl don’t need to watch the video before commenting anymore XD
@@Taskandpurpose this makes no sense but I like his confidence
@@curtis4284 lol.
@@curtis4284 it's a meme haha
I was in the german military from 2001 we where some of the first regular infantrie troops equiped with the G36. In comparison to the old G3 it was a very good weapon on the shooting range. The optics where supreme with dot sight and the longerange scope very easy to swap between the two. High accuracy nearly no kick back in comparison to G3. of course its a smaller caliber but also the gas loading mechanism took alot away as well. So you can shoot it in full auto salves and staying easy in target. The 30 Rounds seetrough magazines and the "cliptogether" option where cool.(G3 only had 20 Round mags) and it was lighter.. BUT that was all under the controlled "labratory" conditions of a shooting range... In the field there where some clear problems, one I never heard anyone adressing elsewhere. In foggy wet weather the sights got foggy from the inside so you can't see through... and because there where no iron sights on the rifle you where up for some trouble. I never shot it with the 200 round snailmag under Afgahni heat conditions. But we shot some 30 Roundmags in full auto in summer heat (30 °C) with no problems. Its like that with all Equippment you have to stress test it under every possible circumstances and then adress the problems correctly and talk to the contractor to update his merch.. I think the biggest problem is that the military has a very bad standing in germanys everyday politics. So the politicians send them on all kinds of missions but dont want to equip our guys accordingly.. its a disgrace.
Yeah, the fogging usca thing I noticed at well. In boot camp my shooting day was raining, and I was the only one who passed first try because I wrapped a napkin around the optics. Not really viable in the field.
On the other hand I also never had a jam with live ammo (with blanks all the time... damn MPG...), and hit even with a defect red point.
The G36 is good as is. Some new optics, and it will serve another 20 years.
we had this rifle in the 63rd Parachute Brigade is not bad I prefer the M 70 ab2 Flag this rifle sucks it overheats on the 23rd degree it seems to me that some soldiers were killed because of this rifle in 2010 when we got it in the 63rd Parachute Brigade from Greetings to fellow Paratroopers around the world
Used the rifle for years, 2 tours, no problems. I love my trusty G36. If you do a little research, you find out that this whole thing is a misunderstanding blown way out of proportion. There was never a problem with the rifle.
On the other hand, we will now get the hk416, which in my humble opinion is the best rifle out there at the moment. (for general infantry use)
The dubious thermal problems are easily solved with parts kit such as Steyr's that are far cheap that adopting new AR rifles.
I don't think there is an easy fix for the g36 to install as most parts affected by overheating are molded into the plastic and therefore cannot be easily replaced. But buying an updated version of the gun would probably do the trick
@@davidclemens1921 H&K won the case mate. The gun isnt faulty. The gun wont melt. The replacement rifle specification were also insane and HK416, got adopted by the french.
I suspect its a political issue.
@@almightybogza I know, but I suppose some modifications were implemented in the newer versions the Bundeswehr bought. The HK416 doesn't have similar issues since there is a lot less polymer used
@@almightybogza Its is political. As a german i can say our politicians tried to give the contract to a Saudia Arabian Company. Its another try to spend money on things that are not useful to the troops. And its a shame to throw away our iconic weapon.
@@davidclemens1921
Use the MG 36 barrel, problem solved
You mean video games haven’t been 100 percent realistic with its portrayal of firearms?
SO CUT MY WRISTS AND BLACK MY EYES
Wait so bandaging my hand when i get shot in the head is not realistic
@@stack4229 lmao
Wait, so committing several war crimes in Dubai and not having PTSD isn't realistic?
@@NiCoNiCoNiCola depends on the game.
Personally I think it was a combination of using a pencil barrel (remember these are old types that can string wildly as in Inrange video), a horrible/outdated reflex sight, and the German army not fully understanding the limits of the gun in wartime usage. We had the same problems with the m4 but we fixed it by introducing a heavier barrel and made improvements using new optics and fixing gas issues.
I mean the original M4 could literally blow up when you fired it in full auto, but thanks to the military sticking with it it's now a great weapon, Germany can still do it but will they? Most likely no sadly
The MG36 and it's non adoption status have something to say about your first point.
As a German who served in the military and worked with the G36:
The reasons why it will be exchanged for another rifle are not design flaws but several very incompetent defense ministers who had absolutely no knowledge of the military.
It isn't normal? Sadly politicians are too many times choosen for their "friendships" not for their competence.
I have been in the german army for 2 years and I can say, every comrade I had loved this rifle. We had no problems with it. No jamming, no overheating, no melting. It worked just completely fine.
Once I had the pleasure to empty a 100 round drum mag with the G36 (not the MG36) in full auto plus 4 or 5 normal mags with 30 rounds right after the drum mag during summer time (35°C). Had no problems, could still hit the target perfectly. It could be that there were some not good working rifles, but I never heard from anybody personally having any issues with it. I really loved the G36.
3:10 The first war that the Bundeswehr participated in was in the Kosovo in 1999.
That's where Germans troops would for the first couple of rounds.
However, Germany's first deployment of ground troops was Somalia '93.
"fire the first couple of rounds" was what I meant.
Effin multi language Google autocomplete ;)
Tommy Bostic, owner of Tommy Built Tactical, has done a lot of work with HK firearms and particularly the G36. He thinks the barrel manufacturing process was the issue. He claims the barrels weren't made stress free, so when they heated up their POI shifted. In his opinion, barrels made with newer manufacturing techniques developed in the last 10-20 years would solve the issue. Another data point, the guys at In Range TV did a test between Vietnam era M16 barrels and modern pencil barrels and found that the older barrel had a significant POI shift versus the modern manufactured barrel made.
Inrange did a test with a Tommy built with a new barrel and a Tommy built made from an all original g36 parts kit
I've heard the same thing about the barrel. Spain also uses the g36 but (in theory) spanish g36s have not any heat issue since they're not manufactured in the same factory and do not use the same barrel.... That's what I've heard
@@arielgarcia5065 I've noticed the old barrel phenomenon in other guns. I used to be special forces here in sweden and I got a lot of time behind an ak5 both c and a versions.
The c version was a modernisation of the a and fearured a shorter barrel. Even though it was shorter I found myself getting better groups with the new one compared to the old one.
@@arielgarcia5065 I just thought it was good evidence to add in the discussion
@@isakekelund6215 it is a good evidence to add definitely. Sorry I deleted my previous comment because I'm not sure if I explained myself correctly. Thank you for telling me your experience
The firefight in 2010 lasted some 10 hours and the involved German troops fired circa 28.000 rounds with their G36 rifles, thus in the end hundreds of rounds per rifle not just 2 magazines.
Three German soldiers died (two of them got killed by an IED that hit a Dingo armored vehicle) and several were wounded.
28.000 Rounds? Did they have the unlimited ammo cheat? Seems unlikely to me
@@matteagle42 You've got 3-4 magazines which is 90-130 rounds. Then you've got 300-500 rounds carried in addition to that per person giving you a high estimate count of 630 per person.
As this was several platoons this follows modern bundeswehr structure where there are 3 squads per platoon with 1 SL and two NCOs and in addition to that 7 soldiers.
This means 30 people which equates to 18900 rounds or 11700 rounds in the lower end in just rifle ammunition not including additional ammunition carried in vehicles and other forces. Now consider that 300 german soldiers are officially listed as having engaged in combat during that operation. On the lower end that brings you to 117000 rounds. HOWEVER if we only count 3 magazines per person that brings you to 27000 rounds.
@@Nothing_._Here 👏
@@Nothing_._Here Did any of the 28k rounds hit the bad guys?
@@ChrisGilliamOffGrid Why are you asking me this? Why are you trying to involve me in some emotionally charged argument?
This was my service rifle in 2006. It was very reliable and very accurate. Easy to use I loved it. I have never heard from anyone complaining about it, until some idiots made some conclusions based on reports, which they failed to understand themselves. The rifle itself was capable of everything it was designed for. And also the cases of malfunctions I heard of, were in 90% wrong use. If a soldier fires 10 magazines in the row and then wonders why it's heaten up or why the sergeant kicks the shit out of you afterwards, because you didn't understand what fire discipline is... Than it's not the rifles fault. The G-36 is a very good tool.
i know a few German soldiers , some still serving in the army. they all love this rifle . A german Court had to solve the " Disagreement" , and came to the clue that HK did indeed delievered the G36 fitting to all requirements the Department of Defense gave them. the problem was , that the requirements werent updated since the cold war...
Knowing HK, they will solve this by installing an overdesigend liquid nitrogen hidraulic circuit and an electrically driven self-balanced barrel
All made out of polymer, of course
and somehow offer it as a drop-in kit with a stubby holder and a keychain LED button light for less than the price per unit of a refurbished M16A1 drawn up from the hellish depths of the USMC arsenal.
@@dylanwight5764 you killed it
Just some more of that very fine german engineering lol
Nope, they just wanted to use the heavier MG36 Barrel
thats the thing H&K is great at problem solving so I dont know why they wouldnt just upgrade the thing
The story makes no sense at all. Soldiers would have been putting down way more than 60 rounds through the rifle at a time over the various range shoots over the 15 or so years, at sometimes lower rates than an urgent firefight sometimes sure, but I'd bet sometimes at higher rates. In 15 years no problem was identified? And it takes a single firefight for them to throw the rifle away?
Then why wasn't the the alleged flaw reproduced without fail upon subsequent testing?
Add to that, you'd notice even the slightest loss of zero or accuracy during at least one of the tens of thousands of G36 range shoots in its service history.
Considering the facts as presented, the controversy stinks to high heaven.
My cynical brain tells me that some higher ranking members in the German military had certain shares in certain companies.
Simply put, insider trading.
Same shit in the Australian Army - Land 125 program was a fucking joke, no way in hell that anyone who tested that equipment actually declared it suitable for our soldiers in good faith. The tax payer footed the bill as every Infantry soldier purchased their own webbing as the issued equipment was substandard to a huge degree, and wrote off the cost of buying their own equipment come tax time, as they should.
Cut to 20 years from now and grunts cant see through their fucking Mountain Dew (TM) optics as they're getting headshotted in their Doritos Nacho Cheese kevlar helmets
from what my father told me, at the range the german Soldiers get handed an spezified amount of ammo (i think 6 Rounds) wich is counted form the one handing it out and the one recieving them and put down range. So during training there isn´t a lot of overheating.
But that was with the G3 and about 40 Years ago, so that might have changed.
But i still think this was only a political deal, cause there are many other countries with that same rifle and no one is agreeing with that madness.
Australia did tests with the aug and found that apparently the aug can break the laws of physics. If you fire the exact same match grade cartridge out of an m4 and an aug, the aug produces less co2. Someone call steyr because they apparently found a way to solve global warming
InRange and Forgotten Weapons do all they can do dispel this myth only be undone by clickbait.
The G36 was built for trench warfare in the russian winter. The shitty 3x optic is rated for -30°C. It was designed for extreme light weight to run around in the woods, while machine guns are for firing a lot.
A report by the Bundeswehr (German Army) on 21 February 2014 revealed that the issues were not the fault of the rifle, but that one manufacturer of ammunition was making bullets with copper-plated jackets that were too thin.
Your introduction to the rifle is faulty at best. The G36 was developed as a cheap, light rifle for an conscript army operating in central europe. It was developed after the G11 was canceled due to budget restraints.
Your story about the overheating isn't right either. A news story claimed that the rifles were overheating. Something the soldiers never said and that was later even confirmed in court. The Chief of Staff of the Bundeswehr investigated further and couldn't find a single incident where overheating was a problem. The rumor about overheating G36s had started years prior when a training manual warned from using the same rifle for all soldiers during full auto training. Putting hundreds of rounds through the same rifle within minutes damages the barres - a part that is made from steel and not from polymer - but in combat no soldier will ever carry enough ammunition to get that problem. The G36 isn't a machine gun anyway and every other assault rifle has similar problems.
Later it was tested against a HK416 equipped with a heavier barrel. Yes, the G36 proved to be less accurate but still well within the specifications. Even a heated G36 will still hit the target well enough. Your 20 inches are completely wrong. The G36 was upgraded several times.
The G36 wasn't "thrown in the garbage" either. Originally it was intended to have a service life of 20-25 years in a conscript army. It was introduced in 1997 and is approaching the end of its time anyway. Besides, the Bundeswehr had changed into a professional army operating all over the world in NATO missions and the requirements for a service rifle changed. Still the G36 isn't going to disappear for decades the same way the G3 is still around.
Your "put into the corner" comment is utterly wrong. Germany had participated in NATO missions long before Afghanistan and was even involved in combat.
Finally someone with a functioning brain
OK boomer
Thank you
I wouldn't say that Chris was wrong about that much as you say but sure.
The actual issue at hand, a shifting point of impact in prolonged firefights under extreme conditions, can easily be solved by replacing the barrels with the later, heavier version. Or, you know, don't supply the wrong type of ammunition.
Any army gun should be able to handle most ammo types, cause you have to shoot what you got. Being picky about ammo can be a death sentence.
But yea, you need barrel that does not warp that easily, and this should had been spotted in testing.
@@mapu1 It's not about the ammo type, it was faulty ammo. It was steel core ammo with brass jacket, but the brass was too thin, it was steel on steel that caused the overheating. They investigated, and the ammo supplier admitted that it was a production error, and they sent a shipment of that ammo to Afghanistan. Forgotten Weapons has a video about this, he explains it better.
The Spanish and Lithuanian militaries tested their G36 riles again, and found no faults. The Lithuanians ordered more from HK after their test. The Spanish build their own under license.
Carol from InRange mag dumped six mags, and proved the G36 couldn't melt with a standard combat loadout.
We used the same weapons for a few years. We had to change them many years ago because they did not withstand high temperatures well. In fact, our units in Africa and the Middle East had to switch to using American weapons. I don't understand how the Germans didn't realize it before.
We changed all the barrels of the rifles, we made our own version with a thicker barrel.
And now the new rifle contract has been awarded to H&K.
i am from germany and not only the rifle g36 had a scandal but also it replacement has one because Haenel the producers of it are owned by a saudi arabian company there is also that h&k are in big debt. so they filled a lawsuit against the adoption of the new rifle
May you could make video about the mg5 which replaced the mg3 (mg42)
Not SA but UAE ...
The MAIN scandal is, that this was all political tamtam.
Get HK433 with 6.5x39mm Grendel (not creedmore) and good is.
HK433 the way to go, best from all HK weapons, G36A11(A3)/HK416A7 aka G95K.
Haenel is owned by Caracal International, which is from the United Arab Emirates, not from Saudi-Arabia.
@@HingerlAlois
Exactly.
Wonder why he had to point out he was German and then talk this nonsense.
@@marvintiger9631 It apparently will be a HK4616A8 (aka a custom variant for the army). The HK433 was taken out of the competition by HK themselves, not sure what the reason was, but if the company producing them considered them not fitting the contract it must have been something (and a military is something different than sport shooters). A simple answer could be a high commonality with French and Dutch new rifles which are also HK416 derivates so might fit new European defense cooperations and allow higher scale mass production.
@@apis_aculei Uhm, that is why those processes are in place and the offer was rejected after the evaluation those licensing issues are indeed there. It is not a political scandal, it is how government procurement processes work, in this case including reacting and correcting the decisions once legal challenges by a competitor were validated. Nothing scandalous about it. Haenel had the better aka cheaper offer, but that licensing issue triggers an investigation and on confirmation means a government office cannot close the contract and has to reopen the selection process. All that happened. All that is normal. All the controls actually worked here.
I suspect this is a case of fire discipline. In a fire fight, under stress, and using an assault rifle as a machine gun. The M16 had this problem.
I have to say that I don't see why they insisted on an entirely new rifle, when they could have saved millions by doing a proper investigation and simply updating the G36 to fix the issue, because by all accounts, it's a very good rifle other than this issue, and plenty of people dispute that this issue even happens - at least to the extent described.
The M16 suffered from a lot of reliability issues when launched, and the L86 was deemed practically unusable by most soldiers, but the US and UK governments took the time and spent the money to identify the issues and fix them, rather than throwing the baby out with the bath water. As a result, the M16 is one of the most beloved weapons in the world, and the L86 is now usable.
The G36 was in service with no major complaints for 14 years before the problem was identified, which suggests that a) it wasn't a huge problem under normal circumstances, and b) it fundamentally works well and just needed improvements to deal with these rare circumstances. A thicker barrel, or improved airflow around the barrel, or adding a few extra aluminium parts to reinforce key stress points probably would have fixed the issue easily and at a far lower cost.
By the time no military staff would decide wether actions in supply were taken or not, so all decisions were made by consulting firms. These than were paid by commission, so they were eager to got this argument for a multi million contract laying on a silver plate.
around 5:50
The G36 was designed for police forces which didn't adopt it.
The Bundeswehr needed a new weapon and the G36 met their specifications.
H&K suggested the 100-200 gramms heavier MG36 variant which got a heavier barrel and thus is more reliable.
The Bundeswehr declined the suggestion and took the G36 (which was a good choice back then since it was considered a weapon for defending germany).
The whole drama and misinformation was primarly created by the media (as always).
I shot the G36 myself. Excellent, easy to use, easy to maintain weapon. (Would rather have 7,62 for more stopping power but that's my only critique)
A black G36 that will be burned by the sun in afghanistan for 6 hours will be hot before shooting. Then shooting 60 rounds in quick succession in such an environment is a really rare case. First measures was to change the color of the G36 so they don't get so hot in the first place before shooting.
It was my service rifle, cant say that i never missed a shot at mid range but even after a lot of shooting in hot weather no one ever complained. We allways shot our drills and managed to complete them
As instructed, fired a round at the like button, now my phone has a hole in it
we will be reimbursing everyone who destroyed their phone or computer due to that poorly worded phrase
G36 is probably the most aesthetically appealing firearm ever designed. It actually hurts a bit seeing those tactical ones covered in mounts and attachments.
It's worthless if it's heats up like that after just 60 shots ,lol.
@@eu29lex16 It doesn't
@@xxxod They literally said that in the video, you goof and in many other sources.
It's why they threw it in the can the moment they say they are junk.
@@eu29lex16 no the video says that there was nothing wrong with the g36. The military just used shitty ammo
@@xxxod "The main issue cited with the G36 was that it became inaccurate when it overheated, either because of continuous fire, or the climate it was in."- You find this on all sources but you keep puffing your delusions, lol.
It needs a digital readout to tell you the number of rounds left, and to bring us closer to being the Colonial Marines in “Aliens”.
I'll take a G36 over a M4 any day. We've all heard some form of horror story from the middle east wars of the M4
When the bundeswehr was first deployed to Afghanistan zhey actually used the g36 as a light machine gun with bigger magazines. Nowadays they use the mg4 for this
It’s an awesome weapon. The problem are two things.
1. The German army used to only have the G36 in Afghanistan. So it also was used MG and DMR. Wich is was obviously not meant for.
2. The reflexviser is plastic on plastic. So it shifted and lost zeroing. Now the combat troops have new sights.
Additional infos:
1. Tye MK556 is unadopted due to patent infringement.
2. The first main battle rifle of the Bundeswehr actually was the FN G1 (FAL) but it only was used till 1959.
3. The MG36 was never adopted by the German army bc the barrel is so slightly heavier that it wouldn’t do much.
4. The things you can use to stack the mags together are disliked by soldiers since the make reloading take longer
We did not go over there with the G36 in the MG role. That's what the MG3 (rechambered MG42) was for.
@@burtelli
Actually the Germany would use the MG4 for that since it’s in 5.56x45 and sadly the German army is replacing the MG3 with the MG5
No one has claimed that it melts.The plastic has absolutely nothing to do with the alleged problem. The barrel is said to warp when it gets hot from continuous fire. But this is only half true, because the G36 does not warp more in heat than any other rifle. In the end it was only because of bad ammunition. The MK556 deal was cancelled also. The G36 is currently not replaced.
The Bundeswehr is actually adopting the HK416 as the new service rifle or as a stopgap maybe.
Hmm...Better find out more about this ammo you reference. Don't want any of my rifles getting "warped" barrels from bad ammo. Ah...Who actually believes this BS?
that old ferrytale still exist?
You mean that furrytale, right?
So cuddly 🤣
As a German, i like the G36. We are trained to treat it more as a Battlerifle rather than an automatic bullethose. It's super accurate, pretty light compared to other modern Rifles and looks nice too. The only thing i didnt like too much was the Dreifach-Zielfernrohr and its handle in Urban or Wooded areas, was a bit clunky and really not good for peripheral vision. Usualy went with the G36C and a reflexsight if we were allowed to, it handled burst just fine, i never really used full-auto both at the range and during practice scenarios with blanks. I was one of the last 18 year olds serving their mandatory year under the Wehrpflicht before it was abolished so the scandal was already known. Altough i only heard about it once they handed us a G36 during instructions and one of my fellow trainees groaned in disgust complaining about it. Our Instructor told him he had a good idea how he could "warm" up to it and ordered him to run two laps around the Armory with it.
Surely if the gun can't handle a slightly sub par round it's the gun makers fault for not taking into account that possibility.
Forgotten weapons already covered this in depth a while ago. The rifle is fine.
Early batches might not have been, die to a different production process for the barrels.
That's what he was assuming in the video.
NEIN, RIFLE IS FINE
I always liked the way the G36 looked. It’s kind of like a nerf gun, you can make it look like a completely different rifle by snapping a couple of attachments on.
5:22 that is a bersagliere with a Beretta arx, not a g36
7:15 same deal ❤️
Woah, I can't believe the Bersagliere was not disbanded after WW2. Because I just noticed two of the soldiers have some "black feather" stuff on their helmet, which is the distinctive characteristic of the following military unit.
You missed another major claim. Soldiers claimed that during training the guns were left lying on the ground in between range drills and that after this time in the sun they would be less accurate. Official testing was unable to replicate this claim but the story spread.
Karl of RUclips channel InRangeTV got himself a G36 clone and an original Hensoldt optic identical to what the German Army originally issued. His own range experiments were also unable to replicate an unacceptable loss in accuracy until he shot it at a competitive match. During the match he started seeing accuracy problems and another shooter while handling the rifle was able to flex the optic quite far out of place with just his hand. It seems the problem isn't where the polymer interacts with barrel but instead how the sight is mounted. Hence why you see many photos of G36s with steel top rails (instead of the original polymer) and aftermarket optics.
As someone with many friends in the german Bundeswehr, I can say that the soldiers loved the g36. And that they always tell the same story. The gun is awesome but the scope ruins the damn rifle. The scope actually can wable a fair bit and you loose zero. They say since some of them used the idz version the problems are mysteriously gone. The 3,5x scope is the problem. I myself have a hensoltd 1,5x g36c scope (basicly the carryhandlescope without the carryhandle and for pic-rails) and even there the scopepart can wable in the plastic where it lives. But yeah the g36 is a fine rifle inrange basicly made the same conclusion.
What happened to the G36 was the optic, it was applied too loose and wouldn't hold zero properly. After they dumped the Hensoldt optic for a picatinny rail, the problem basically disappeared. Still a great video.
Here in Spain we use different parts so the overheating problem doesn't exist for us
You should do the FAL
I agree with that
“The right arm of the free world”
@@Yeaggghurte * sniff sniff * yeah... smells like ahoy to me
One of my tenants was a soldier in Afghanistan and had a lot of experience with the G36. He told me that he and his unit had never had any problems with the G36, the weapon was precise and above all extremely reliable. The talk about the supposedly decreasing precision of the G36 when hot-fired had, in his opinion, another reason: There is also a light MG version of the G36 with reinforced components and a thicker barrel (MG36). However, this light MG was not procured because the decision-makers saw too little difference to the G36. The troops in Afghanistan thus had only the MG 3 as their initial MG, an excellent weapon but heavy and bulky. As a result, the G36 assault rifle was often "abused" as a light machine gun, which did not correspond to the intended use of the G36 with its thinner barrel profile. Under this extreme load, the weapon naturally began to scatter more when hot-fired than when used as intended. But this would have been the case with any assault rifle and cannot be blamed on the G36.
So basically they made a problem about barrel issues even though all other rifles of that class would have issues?
Typical.
I suggest germany keeps using the MG3 then
The best way to counter this "Inaccuracy problem" is to go more to the shooting range
lol its germany dude. i would be surprised if german soldiers fire more than 100 rounds per year.
love to see Latvian troops in your video!! we celebrated country's birthday yesterday, so yea 😅
Congratulations, fellow Europeans!
@@damianm-nordhorn116 thanks!
Happy Birthday!
The G36 looks like what Hasbro would make if they were commissioned to make a real gun.
Ironically,the early M16 in Vietnam were nicknamed by soldiers as at Mattel toy.
This is a myth. We got to use these when training with other countries and it worked fine and no accuracy issues either.
I spoke to a Handful German soldiers and they all love the G36, they have no problems with overheating or precision.
Most of the German media claimed that it would overheat and have problems after continuous fire (more than 250 in one burst). It’s not a MG and even MGs need a barrel change, plus one solider only carries 160 rounds and would never fire everything in one burst.
I fired around a thousand rounds through this weapon when I was in the U.S. army stationed in Germany. Got a gold shutzensnier marksmanship badge with this rifle along with the mg3 and their sniper rifle. The g36 just feels good and it is light. It is not as good as the m-16 for burst group. This rifle is beautiful for cqb and clearing buildings. Not sure if the melting rumors are true,
But, we have the new and improved XM8.
@The Real Slim Shady maybe but mx8 is so fucking horrible sorry
Since when?
Are you Malaysian? Because the only people actually using the XM8 to any extend is the Malaysian Navy, not quite the same rifle most people got to know from US trials and media, but an XM8 at the core.
@The Real Slim Shady why do you need to move on to the xm8?
The "enemy seeing how many rounds you have left" diss was a bit of a stretch....
Yeah if the enemy is close enough to see how many bullets you have left in the mag you probably have much bigger problems.
I absolutely love how he keeps ripping on his marksmanship in these videos 😂
You make great points, specially when pointing up that the M4 (and M16 too) had troubles early on because thats what happens with new stuff.
Its in use in my home country and veterans I know liked it a lot.
Besides, I'm sure both H&K and the german army tested it throughly and if those problems didn't arise at the time its probably a fluke or those defective bullets in the incident.
STG-44 with the same problems, heavy weight and Magazine frequently carving: First time?
I mean, Forgotten Weapons did an awesome and more in depth look at this.
Exactly!
The noir detective killed me 😂😂 great video 👍
Why you show Beretta ARX instead of G36 multiple times? And with Italian Bersaglieri to boot!
That grouse feather is iconic to that unit.
Bello trovare connazionali che hanno notato i tuoi stessi particolari
They don't seem to be the best at identifying individual firearms. They had similar problems in the Dragunov video too.
You have 44 different countries that use the G36 in some capacity, many of them did some retesting after the controversy came out, no one has found anything actually wrong with the gun .
stupid politicians as always.
This is an icon I’ve always wanted to own since I was a kid. Even got an air soft version. Got to shoot the main rifle in OIR 19, fell in love (except the goofy integrated optic). Thank God for Tommybuilt Tactical.
Is no one going to talk about the fuzzy handcuffs he had on the table?
Glad someone noticed ;)
😳
You know what I noticed? That Task & Purpose used a video clip that has nothing to do with the G36. At 7:10, it's an Italian Beretta assault rifle or some Scandanavian rifle (can't quite tell...), but it ain't a G36, buddy...pay attention to editing quality next time, instead of insulting New Jersey landfills...
Am I a douche for thinking that the "good intentioned clusterf*ck" definition also applied to you, Chris? Good intentioned hooah, and keep it up, my dude!
Everyone who says that the G36 is bad.. Never had one in their hands
@@DasPferd dann wart ihr einfach nur scheiße. Ich habe selbst auf 800m und bei extremer Hitze getroffen
@@DasPferd tja hätte man die waffen gepflegt würden sie gehen.
@@DasPferd selbstverständlich wenn ihr Dreck und Nässe drin habt dann rostet eldas rohr und berstet
I have talked to some soldiers who were in Afghanistan. If they had had the MG3 at their disposal, they would not have had to abuse the G36 as a machine gun. They were sent on a war mission without a machine gun.
At first i have to point out i never liked to shot the G36 in my active time of duty in the german army, so that no one can call me a "fanboy". I loved my UZI! :D But i have to correct some points. I knew the G36 very well and can compare it to other major assault rifle plattforms due to personel expiriences with many of them over the last two decades. The overheating problems of the G36 never resulted in melting plastic! Thats a total bullshit. The main issue was a lack of precision in hot climate zones by using the assult rifle G36 for extented supressive fire next to other problems like lack of modularity on users level (no picatinnys to change optics or add other equipment like flash etc., very high line of sights, fogging of optics). The G36 in the version was never ment to do the job of a MG an deliver suppressive fire for longer period. H&K pointed that out before the contract was signed. Further the G36 was designed for war scenario in the middle of Europe in a Cold War situation. So at that point nobody was aiming or thinking for german military action in hot climate zones like Afghanistan etc. But back to the beginning. The real problem lays back in the time when the german armed forces were loooking for a new rifle. I'll keep it simple. The Bundeswehr was looking for a new assault rifle for usage in a middle european battle environment, it should be light and very precice with easy one shot capability up to 500 meter. And HK developed and offered the G36. The Bundeswehr said to H&K as they first saw it: "Make it lighter, its to heavy" HK: "Ok we can put on a lighter barrel but than u can have precision problems after long time rapid fire and in hotter environments." Bundeswehr: "Nah, thats ok we just defend Germany and Nato in the center of europe and its just an assault rifle and no MG." "Hey, H&K can you make it that we can use it as a light MG?" and HK answered: "Of course, we'll put a heavier barrel on so there won't be any overheating issues, a drummag and a bipod so it can handle this job well." Bundeswehr: "Uhhhh, nice... but wouldn' it be bit to heavy?" HK: "Sure, but thats the price you have to pay when you whant a light MG." Politicians: "What? Did i hear the word price? How much will it cost to get all this rifles with MG capabilities? HK: "This XXXXXXXXXXXX!" Politicians: "No Bundeswehr thats to expensive" Bundeswehr:" Damn, but we want it :( ... can we just have the bipods and the drummags? And teach our soldiers not to use it as a real light MG?" Politicians: "OK, that would fit the budget if you only order the bipod and the drummag for an ammount of XXXX of the assault rifles." Bundeswehr: "Hmmmm shit... but better than nothing." That was the Story. Other Nations ordered the G36 with the heavier barrel as it was offered first to the Bundeswehr. The G36 itself is not a total garbage the peanutcounters in government and the change of the world made it an unlucky little rifle. I can tell it is in centeral european conditions one of the most reliable and user friendliest infantry rifles of the last few decades. If it had the heavier barrel to the begin, ther wont be any issues and it would easy compede with M4/M16 and any other plattform. In fact i saw uncountable malfunctions of M4/M16, we used to train a lot with US troops as well as GB, Poland, Austria, Netherlands, France, Spain, Portugal and Italy the G36 was always a reliable rifle. So the displacement of the G36 is mainly forced by politicians, like the former minister of defence Ursula von der Leyen, backed by lobbyists. Never the less the G36 in its actual variant in the german army dosn't meet the requirements for a modern infantry rifle in worldwide operational scenarios in any climate zone.
It's hard to believe that engineers did't test rifle in controled environment, like desert, arctic etc.
The SA80 was never perfected, just modified...
LOL!
The SA80 was modified to the point that it works: just like a HiPoint.
The Beretta ARX-160 also uses a polymer receiver. Has it had overheating issues?
great rifle. had the opportunity to fire one during a stay on Austria and was very well impressed, even with the ARX-200
I read that the german military version G36 also used cheaper plastic in their recievers. They (not so much the military itself but the bean counters) wanted the cheapest version of the rifle, that was possible and so pressured H&K into using the cheapest plastic possible.
Spanish army was with the same rifle on the same war scenario and I never heard them complain. very strange...
I served in the German army in 2001, and got a brand new G36 rifle. I absolutely loved it. Light, accurate over a long range, two different optics, easy to maintain and clean. Never had an issue with it, but then I never shot more than 90 bullets within a couple of minutes.
It’s going to be replaced with a new weapon
No the fuck it isn't. The German government is too indecisive for that. They've been discussing it for years.
Even if it was replaced it would be like our situation with the ngsw. It'll be ten years or more before the old weapons are phased out and the new ones brought in
@@TREX_04
What's too indecisive?
New G36 seem to be fine and in case there's still the Hk416.
So ...?
@@damianm-nordhorn116 They aren't sure what weapon they want to take. (Haenel was successfully sued for patent infringement)
And the German government seems to purposefully be looking in all directions but HK so the 416 is also pretty unlikely.
@@TREX_04
That's not accurate.
There was no lawsuit, just a successful complaint (precisely a request for a review) as it "could not be ruled out" that there actually was some parent infringement.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haenel_MK_556
Actually, I think this whole thing is a mess and it's very unfortunate that by now most competitors (this time SIG Sauer, Rheinmetall/Steyer) are so pissed that is gonna be hard to find anyone competing for the next contract.
In fact it rather seems like all tenders so far were designed to favor HK.
..also is almost unimaginable that one can deliver a good rifle WITHOUT making a loss at price below 1500€.
This gun makes me go Y E S
Still ACR gang
Funniest thing i heard all day. "The lee Enfield sae80 took decades to perfect" and yet its still junk...
Complaints were like "rifle that was did not had in desing specification to be SAW can't be used as SAW, how come?"