Which Country Built The Best Cheap Sports Car: Japan, Germany, America or the UK? Stud to Dud Ep. 3
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In this episode f Stud to Dud, we see which country built the best convertible sports car!
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I love these guys! Great test video. 😃👍
I had the 1996 Cobra convertible that has more power and bigger brakes. Three 200# + men went from Fort Worth to Detroit for the Ford 100 year event and we made it back without bloodshed. I pasted my Cobra to my USAF son that is 42 now. I enjoyed this series alao my mom had the 1973 450SL that had both tops. Go Mustang !!!
Glad to see both Fords at the top impressed with that mustang
These older comparisons are a ton of fun to watch
Definitely should do more of them!!
sometimes I forget that these guys are a mile above sea level and get 0-60 times of like 3 seconds worse than normal
Air does not exist, we never went to the moon, earth is flat, the government has invisible UFOs and birds aren't real. I'm kidding I hope you are having a great day sir.
Had to remove my thumbs up to keep it at a cool 69
Unless they’re driving an EV. Then they just go faster :)
Due to altitude, the cars in this video likely lost around 1.2-1.3 seconds.
Generally speaking, an engine loses three percent of its rated power for every 1,000 feet of altitude gained. This means you could lose as much as 20% of your vehicle's horsepower at an altitude of 6750 feet. Let´s say a 1992 SL500 would accelerate from 0-100kmh in 6.3 seconds, at higher altitudes the car would clock about 7.6 sec.
@SillyDooDooHead Actually that is testing the car to it's fullest capabilities because we can see how it performs at altitude. If it performs well then it will do a brilliant job at sea level.
I love this series. Plenty of fun, good humor, and automotive appreciation.
One of my daily drivers is a 2002 Mustang GT Vert. I’m glad my car’s leaks are more the norm than I thought. Sometimes it’s fun to drive in Florida storms
The o ring kit is $9 dollars to rebuild all 12 of the SL top cylinders. I’ve done it to 2 cars, it’s not a bad job.
How many hours did that take?
With vise on a workbench, propane torch, a good set of snap ring pliers. The Bow cylinders need the snap ring pliers and the heat. There is some cylinders with a plain snap ring will have to have a hole drilled. This hole is used to stick a pick in to push the snap ring up to get a tool under the ring to pop it out.
Time, I’d allow a whole week for the first time. The main lift cylinder requires removing the rear panels and sub woofer.
I would do the front cylinders 1st. If they bust, you and the interior get soaked in oil.
The tonneau cover and rear latch are very easy to get too.
The main lift is the worst. The bow cylinders can be pulled out and put back in 3-5 hours, no panels need to be removed, just manipulate the roof by hand to gain access to the cylinders pivot/mounting pins. You need a magnet to catch the clips. Watch some videos on the subject.
If you need more help, let me know and I can get you some contact info.
I bought a 2003 XK8 about 2 months ago. It had just at 100k miles and I got it for 9k. Drove it 6 hours home with no issues and it's fantastic. It's been dead reliable so far and gets looks and complements everywhere I go.
You four together can make anything fun and funny. Andre admiring the mountains, Tommy giving Andre the long car wash, and Nathan saying Roman would get the Nissan stopped in Brooklyn were just so funny. I think you guys could make a video digging ditches entertaining. Great video. Thanks guys
Thank you for the kind words.
I’ve been really enjoining these challenge series guys well done!
Cheers Pat 🇦🇺
I had an E93 with the origami roof, and it would slowly weep tiny drops of water from where the top-most piece met the windshield frame. Those little drops would, for some reason, always land squarely at my crotch, so when I got to my destination, it would look like I peed myself.
At the mile high elevation the Mustang has approximately 181 horsepower to work with and a power to weight ration of 19 to 1. The Nissan 300 ZX has 187 HP and a PTWR of 18 to 1. The Jaguar XK8 has 244 HP and a PTWR of 16 to 1. While the Mercedes 500 SL has 271 HP and a PTWR of 15 to 1. With cars this old and of questionable maintenance history there are a myriad of factors as to why their performance is what it is. However, the Mustang delivers 285 pound feet of torque (not adjusted for the mile high elevation) at just 3500 RPM. It also has a manual transmission which in a modern car would handicap it's acceleration. But in older cars auto transmissions weren't always the quick shifters they are today. Besides, you can drive a manual as hard or easy as you like. Older luxury convertibles auto transmissions were tuned for smooth acceleration not rocket launch starts. The slowest car, the Nissan 300 ZX has not only a poor power to weight ration but it only make 198 foot pounds of torque which doesn't arrive until 4800 RPM. That's a recipe for slow acceleration. Of course, fastest time wins the race but if we're judging on efficient use of power then the Mercedes and the Jag with their far superior power to weight rations are slower than Christmas. It might be fun to see what a couple of thousand in practical mods could do for all of these cars though. After all, when new all of these cars turned in 6 second to 6.5 second 0-60 times and the elevation is not enough to explain 3 to 5 second slower acceleration times.
Very fun series! Excellent video.
I don't knwo why but this brought back my love for original top gear.
The best series so far I think. Next should be 80's off roaders, blazer, bronco, comanche
Don't forget the Ramcharger
And the Jag and the Mustang are by far the best to me. I call this generation Mustang the Mullet Mustang and have never really looked twice at them until now. Still would never buy a convertible because I live in Northern Ohio and there just isn't any time to truly enjoy as it when it is sunny, it's so humid you really don't want to be outside.
It’s healthy to sweat. Your body gets rid of toxins.
😎That Benz 5.0 V8 was hot back then
Aged well too.
@@hipking23 4sure
reliability is gonna go to that mustang by a long shot!! you have to think its the same engine as a crown vic and cops are still pounding and beating them 10 years after they stopped production of the cars. Then after that ppl easily get 200k+ miles out of them. Plus u get ppl like cleetus mcfarland who beats the tar out of 20 or 30 of them at a time for 100s of laps
I’ve seen Mustangs with 400k miles. Them modular engines are no joke!
And remember, law enforcement agencies are bringing them back from retirement, them 2v Fords just won't go out without a fight..lol
Yep. LAPD still runs Crown Vics.
Sometimes the simplest design is best as the years pile on. Also far cheaper to keep on the road.
That Jag is a unit and has aged like a fine wine.
Guys I owned a 96 SL500 in Colorado Springs and I can confirm that when hot at this altitude it was not an off the line car. (My E320 4matic was faster to about 20 mph)I hope you're running 91 octane or it would be even slower in this test.
Yes. We are running premium 91 octane in the Mercedes.
Idling with the A/C on will heat soak the crap out of the engine bay, too.
@@TFLtruck Switch out the Mustangs intake for the New Edge PI head swap. Easiest 40hp gain ever.
All engines wear and lose power with age. All convertible soft tops eventually wear and leak. If you want a truly age irrelevant and fair build quality test, please get your decibel meter you use on the IKE and test how quiet the cabins are at 75 mph on I25 tops down. Make sure the roll bar is manually raised with wind shield attached on the SL. I promise Andre he will discover the difference between a $100k car and the others.
The car wash was hilarious 🤣
This series is awesome. Thx.
Hopefully on their road trip they measure the decibels at highway speeds with the tops down and up.
This review reminds me of the old top gear days, Fun nice video creat more of these with different type of cars
Great video! To be fair my 04 Mustang non convertible leaks in those car washes right at the top of the window since new haha
Been loving this series, looking forward to the next one
Loving this competition and you all have some great one liners. Can’t wait for the “road-trip”.
as a ‘97 mustang GT owner… nice.
I’ve really enjoyed all of these used car shootouts. Keep up the good work
This comparisons are 🔥 keep em coming guys🤌🏽💯
Surprised the pressure in that car wash didn’t blow the paint off the cars! 😂😂😂
You guys are having a lot of fun with this series.
There has never been an English convertible that did not leak. Which is very strange considering how much rain the UK gets
Looked like Tommy was still 1k away from redline shifting
Those old 4.6 mod engines don’t make any power past 5000rpm so there was no time lost
Pretty gracious in the car wash Tommy!!! You did a bit better than Nathan, I felt. Good on ya!! When it’s close, why split hairs?? I guess I just did, but only to compliment ya!
Those Mustangs were not the best mustangs out there, but they are pretty decent vehicles. The Jaguar is my favourite actually, so I’m not minding the first place “after” the car wash.
The car wash was a riot😂
Best of this type of TFL Series yet. Lot of fun guys. Thx.
Fun episode guys!
great episode
Why give points for individual price rather than average market price? Any number of things can affect an individual price, like running up on a boulder, for example.
Nice to see the tires on the Mustang are over 13 years old. 😅 I guess that's probably a common thing on these older, cheaper sports cars because people don't want to put too much money into them.
This is great!!!!
Aren't convertibles "hand wash only" vehicles?
Doesn’t every car deserve a hand wash only?
@@nookbandit No?
Yeah specially old ones:)
15:47 A perfectly missed opportunity to call the Merc a Junker lol
About as fast as a JU-52 cargo hauler
most automatic car washes have a convertible setting that sprays water softer than the normal setting
Reminds me of the first and only time I took my cj-8 though a car wash when I was younger. Was coming up front the floors too!!! Never done that again.
I was this close to clicking off the video, and then you hit me with the car wash challenge, and I was hooked!
Any of them BUT the Jag.. the XK8 is complete JUNK! I had one, the Hydraulic convertible lines would leak, electronics were ALWAYS going bad and parts are were stupid expensive. I have had the others as well. They were fine, no outstanding issues with any of them. Although the only two I had that were convertibles was the Jag and benz.. all the jag has going for it is looks. Lol don't road trip the Jag, she may over heat
That Benz really seemed to accurate slow for a SL500 from what I remember
Nathan was onto something on the Nissan possibly only having rear ABS. 3/4 90s vehicles in my family only have rear ABS: my 1991 Suburban R1500, 1992 S10 Blazer, and Dad's 1990 Sierra C1500. Dad's 1998 Suburban K2500 has 4 wheel ABS (probably due to 4wd and 3/4 ton)
Take them to a track and do a some racing. Keep adding points!!
Don't most convertible manufacturers recommend not taking your soft top car through a car wash? 😅
No just dont buy old convertible:)
I think the 4 of you should ride around in each of the cars and see how they do over say, 20 miles.
Back in those days, the 500 SL was about $130k new which was the price of the average house in Denver.
You know it's real when the objective is to "find out which leaks the least" 🤠
I feel like this is the shittiest representation of the 129, 10k could’ve bought a very nice 500
Not anymore.
@@TFLtruck I own one, work on Mercedes’ for a living. I look at them all the time. There is plenty of 129s for under 10k better than a 1992 with CIS. Come on yall
As the owner of an older convertible, this one hits me right in the undercarriage.
Funny.
I suggest adding one more scoring category for this test round: resilience of the driver in the face of leaky roofs. I would also suggest top score should go to Nathan's reaction, 2nd to Roman, 3rd to Tommy, and Andre should get no points for his reaction. LOL (Sorry Andre! You were hilarious.) I hope you all make the road trip next week safely. Those tires and the hydraulics on the Merc could be the end of the line.
My old 70 Camaro use to leak BAD at the car wash… I always had towels handy!
I think the Forest Service just closed Mt Evans Road above Summit Lake for maintenance.
I don't think convertibles are meant to go through auto washes hahahah! Unless it's a hard top convertible.
The next episode should be cheap mods to make the cars faster
That would be great actually..
My 1st car had t tops. Kept towels in the car. When it rained outside it rained inside
What you need to do is do a video for each car brand of each country then take the top picks of each country and put them up against each other
America's sports has always been the Corvette. I know you guys looked for one, but really should have tried harder. Still love you guys though. 😉
No doubt 'Vette's are great, but this is about the best 90's convertible UNDER 10k USD, and 90's Vette's are going for much more than that.
The car washes were just hilarious 😂
Nice 16v GTI would be my affordable fun
Andre's carwash experience was hilariously painful to watch😄😄😄😄. Tommy set him up really bad!
I like that they toned down the humor in this one. The first couple felt a little bit like top gear ripoffs and were over acted, but I think this was the right amount of ribbing and everyone felt much more natural.
The benefit of stuffing three different tests in a single video is less of a need for filler content, and thus a lot less forced humor\poorly landing jokes. I'm betting they had a lot of bad attempts at extra Top Gear jokes in this one, but they had the good sense to cut out the bad ones and keep the good content while still having plenty of footage to end up with a complete video.
As long as they don't try to stretch out small tests\videos into longer formats, I think they can continue this success level. Don't be afraid to release a 8 minute video if 5 minutes of the original cut are just bad jokes and better off being removed; the final published release will end up with much longer viewer retention, which is good for both ad revenue and for RUclips algorithms.
What's amazing is that the Cherokee XJ could hang with all of these cars
suprised the ricestang doing so well, still wouldnt mind the Stang LoL
BUILT FORD THOUGH!!
Love those jags
Love when tommy talks about cars lol so informative and smart so thank you 🙏
US may suck at politics, but are in the lead on '90s convertibles !!
Nathan knows his warbirds!
If I had to choose any one of those vehicles...
The Mustang.
Love the XK8 has been my favorite car since Need For Speed hot pursuit
A better comparison would have been to see how close the 0-60 and 60-0 are now to what the manufacturers spec. was when new. See how well the engines and gearboxes have held up over 30 years.
I look forward to the next video but yes! Put the tops down lol
Tommy take that Le-bra off that mustang for the love of god.
Love the Z!!! Please keep it and restore it please!!
My first car was a hand me down 1980 Pontiac Sunbird hatchback in yellow. This video reminds me of when I first took it to the carwash 🤣🤣🤣
The SL and the Jaguar are very expensive for maintenance. Definitely premium luxurious vehicles. Far away from cheap.
I love the four of you cracking jokes all the time and these kind of series. Thanks guys for making me laugh.
When it comes to open top cars there terrible at keeping weather out I prefer a metal roof
I dunno that Mercedes comes with a hard top, maybe it should get a chance thru with the hard top on lol
I have to say, the car wash was my favorite part, lol
Fix the issues with each and tune them up and reperform plus Dyno test
great series!
You can BUY any of these. If you want to OWN any long term - better off with the Mustang and Z.
Did you fix the misfire in the sl?
Injector cleaner helped at first, but the misfire came back later.
You have found the best cars for hurricane observation I guess, but you should have let known about that in advance that you are becoming hurricane chaser.
The SL hard top is the way to go in case of hurricane challenges and then it should work quite well, at least my experience from the early 90s to winter 1997 having 3 of these from small 320 to V12 SL600 , but the SL500 being the best for sure cause the V12 is not the best regarding consumption and a nightmare regarding maintenance.
And for sure the SL has the best value on the used market and in the future when spare parts will no longer be available for most of the others. Mercedes Classic will have parts for ages while the others will not like the seals this SL needs so desperately.
2:15 car wash scene. Andre is like a cartoon in a bad way. Have you never been in a car wash!!
Also definitely over paid for a 1992 500sl
It would suck to live a mile above sea level. Your cars are just automatically slower
yeah it's crazy to see something that's supposed to be a ~6 second 0-60 get over 9
Andre bought a dog. I paid 8K for my 98 Sl500 and it is way better shape than that junker Andre bought and is very reliable and fast.
Outside of that car wash test, a good example of that car could sweep all these tests. There's no reason to have brought an SL that was that unsorted. I think he saw 49k on the clock and forgot how rough 30 years can be on rubber seals.
I'm not a fan of those high-pressure washes because 1) they don't do a great job of getting all the dirt off my vehicle and 2) some of them are so powerful that they can even shoot water through the door and sunroof seals on regular vehicles!
The only thing Ford in that Jaguar engine is a woodruff key, and there's Japanese electronics
I think the Jag looks like it’s been used the most, but that’s not always a bad thing.