No marriage, no babies in Korea, why? / Single life | Korean Pizza Club | EP1
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Korea has been revealed to be officially #1 in lowest birth rate. The marriage rate is down 50% compared to the last decade. Why is this happening? 4 Koreans in their mid 20s - early 30s discuss about this phenomenon with their own experience. As a bonus, the crew shares about their current single life in Korea! Will any of us get married?!
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My Korean office mate said moving his family abroad was the best move. No stress from constant comparison, in-laws, high property costs, stressful education, work hierarchy.. and they enjoy Korea as tourists when they get homesick…
Which is the exact same thing happening in Japan, Taiwan, Hong kong, Singapore. All the rich and developed nations, the birth rate and marriage rate is LOW. While countries like Phillippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, they are getting married and having children very often and their population is exploding!!
I'm in a somewhat similar position. I'm Bulgarian and moved to Austria which is fairly close. Even though I kinda struggle financially I can still make long vacations in Bulgaria. The most expensive part is the flight tickets. I'll stay in Bulgaria for almost 8 weeks this summer. Bulgaria is amazing when you don't have to work there and rent there and rely on the healthcare there. Education is hit or miss, the more I learn about Western Europe, Korea, Japan and the US the more I'm surprised to say there actually are significant advantages to Bulgarian education, both 1-12 and university.
As for the culture, I have to say I may be a bit biased as I seem more sensitive toward this, but there is ONE thing I am very happy to live away from now. People speak with a lot of confidence in their statement but they don't actually know that well. And they sort of rush you and stress you and insist on what the right way and the wrong way is. It's funny to say this as someone who grew up there and didn't experience anything else but man oh man this really made me struggle. Just the sort of attitude with which people talk about what to do and how to do it, not everyone but many people - it's so stressful. Definitely more chill in Austria.
I do have ADHD and I may have some other neurodivergency or mental health issue too, idk, but I really don't vibe with those attitudes. Just really messed up my perception of self and how the world and life works.
Which btw is one of the issues of CPTSD as dramatic as that sounds. Without having the repeated traumatic occurances which cause CPTSD I still relate to a lot of the thought patterns and feelings and ways of seeing the world that a person suffering from CPTSD does and that's just crazy. I trace it back to having had a very stressed mom in early-ish childhood and indirectly soaking up toxic and stressed ways of thinking from her BUT ALSO several environments I was in growing up. I was never bullied or abused so that's just crazy to me.
But going back on vacation, meeting lots of people at camps, meeting friends while they're too on vacation, in summer, that is all fine and dandy. I love going back in the summer.
Sorry this turned so long and sidetrack-y. But maybe someone else relates so I want to post it anyway. 😊
@@jeffjohnson5053and Islam is gonna penetrate these develop nations in groups 4 the different propaganda if the security dont stay alert haha
may I ask which country did they move to?
Ugh I am Korean American and I remember as soon as I stepped foot in Korea, I was so compared to for not wearing clothes well.
On the issue of why is it so hard to be single in Korea, Kelsey got it right.... it is because some people lack self love and self worth and they need another person to make them feel whole. Self love and knowing your self worth is very important.
Spot on, well said
No I think they can barely afford themselves much less a child.
24 baby making age
Yeah. Self love. Tell that to yourself when you're 60 and alone.
@@markgilrosales6366 being alone and being lonely aren't the same , people of any age group can feel lonely.
As a half Korean/American who grew up in Korea and had a lot of traumatic experiences with societal/family expectations, guilt/shame and more, this was the most comforting convo I’ve heard
Which is the exact same thing happening in Japan, Taiwan, Hong kong, Singapore. All the rich and developed nations, the birth rate and marriage rate is LOW. While countries like Phillippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Cambodia, they are getting married and having children very often and their population is exploding!!
Trust me. Big difference living in southern Malaysia vs Singapore. Haha. Here we chill AF. Most Singapore will cross the border every weekend 2 escape the toxicity of the country for 1/3.4 of the price. Hahahaha.
I was like Kelsey and Anna. I did not want to have children. However, I became a mom at 47 through adoption. I was married for almost 20 years to a wonderful man. Our priority in the marriage was not to procreate but to enjoy life together and obtain legal protection. Now I find myself being a single mom after my husband died. Being a single mom would have been my worst nightmare in my twenties or thirties; however, it is manageable at this stage of my life. For reference, I am Korean American.
So feminism lie to you?
@@Ytpremium5389 What does this mean?
Thank you for using conjunctive adverbs correctly. 👍
@@Ytpremium5389 you do realise many feminists have children, right? anyways, be gone incel
@@Ytpremium5389 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I respect Kelsey and Anna for knowing exactly what they want despite Korean societal pressures. Seeing Kelsey being so chill is weird! That’s my girl! 🙌🏽
Post Yoga effect🧘🏻♀️
When I heard Kelsey’s voice but I had to look closer at my screen to make sure it was her, she was so chill haha
@@KelseytheKorean LOL KELSEY 😭
To say that this indecent behavior and defense of feminism and degeneration is knowing what you "want" shows the total and complete decadence of the world. The West was as traditional as Asia, but why are we now liberal and degenerate, with open prostitution, abortions, divorces, children out of wedlock, free sex with no strings attached? all this was implanted by organized political groups, think tanks, universities, non-governmental organizations and other crap, to completely destroy the West, which was Christian and conservative.
Some would call it societal pressure, others would call it societal genocide. Seems like people aren’t able to understand or empathize with both positions, but one is worse than the other. Not conforming to societal pressures might mean your quality of life suffers a bit for the greater good of society. Societal genocide means that the top 1% of a nation creates a Neo-feudal state that is ran by an authoritarian that will drop most people quality of living and create a new hierarchy that is similar to china’s hierarchy in terms of freedom. There’s a reason why feminism doesn’t exist in China, they’re a neo-feudal state. If a nation state or government feels like it crossed the rubicon and there’s no more rational solution to solve their large institutional crisis in this case, birth rate and family formation, they will enact irrational policies, and everyone will suffer.
Never seen Kelsey so chill in videos. Kelsey is always hyped, upbeat. Lol
Probably took a sedative before going on the show😂
but im glad, she was really well spoken and articulate now
Yes, I did not know it was the same Kelsey I watch on YT.
I’m surprised she didn’t wear her Rolex on the show ….a fake one at least.
She's on medications, that's why.
David, excellent first episode. The chemistry between all the guests with their candid unique perspective as young Koreans was entertaining and insightful. You did an excellent job of facilitating and participating. I enjoy learning about Korean culture from Koreans and I value the diversity of opinions. I look forward to other guests, interesting topics, and overall a good podcast! Let us know how we can support your podcast!
To say that this indecent behavior and defense of feminism and degeneration is knowing what you "want" shows the total and complete decadence of the world. The West was as traditional as Asia, but why are we now liberal and degenerate, with open prostitution, abortions, divorces, children out of wedlock, free sex with no strings attached? all this was implanted by organized political groups, think tanks, universities, non-governmental organizations and other crap, to completely destroy the West, which was Christian and conservative.
Watching MBTI take over the blood type role in Korea in the last few years has been wild 😂 That was a test we did in US middle school back in the mid 2000’s
😂🤣 right!!
personality types are BS, most psychology is BS
@@RR-et6zp I used to swear by personality tests. Now, I hate them because they just foster preconceived notions about one another.
@@subterranean327 the scientific method shows that its bs
@RR Most legit psychology tests are not fun or easy to share. They generally tell you things you don't like. MBTI is mostly bullshit and I'm disappointed it's so popular. The five-factor inventory is incredibly boring but accurate and reliable.
Hope you enjoyed the first episode! Please subscribe, like and comment :) Any feedback, topic/guest suggestions would be appreciated!
religion in Korea, having Korean students (university) come on the podcast to share their perspective, while they are students, former trainees who failed at debuting and what it's been like for them, or former, not that popular idols, mental health professionals talking about mental health in Korea, or an episode on mental health (I am always curious how accurate or not Kdramas at portraying mental health issues- WAIT, this an excellent idea for a series on your podcast (KDrama vs. Kreality: panelists dating, beauty standards, money, self-esteem, family issues, etc- identifiying similarities and differences with popular kdramas). Hope my ideas turn some wheels in your head.
Nice episode! Interesting and entertaining.
I have a topic suggestion. It might be boring and too serious for the podcast tho. Years ago, PD of Form of Therapy did either a video or a podcast and mentioned that-if we'd like to-they could talk about why cannabis consumption is such a taboo in South Korea. They never did a new ep about that topic, but since then I'm interested about the historical and societal background on that, and also about the marijuana crackdown after the 70s, how's people perceive drug consumption nowadays and how SK government deals with alcoholism issues.
And I'm the one who asked if we can have Emily Haydel as a guest (not for the mj topic tho)🤭😬
Also, may I suggest a collab with Korean Cowboys Podcast? KPC + KCP
Hi David! I have a guest suggestion! His name is Leo Chun (that's his channel name). He's a Korean youtuber but speaks spanish too and has lived in Mexico before and is very familiar with the dating style and culture here in the west. He makes videos about international dating and I believe it would be really cool (deabak hehe) if you could have him in a future episode sharing his insight, and seeing what you and other koreans think about it, share opinions.
Great episode! I personally believe this (finding a life partner) has just gotten so complicated not only in Korea but all over the world, although the pressure and style in dating does vary a lot which makes it interesting.
I hope to meet you one day. Keep up the amazing work! 🤗
I'm not Korean but an American and of your parents' age. Loved the conversation. It was very insightful and informative about segments of the Korean culture and some of the thought processes behind some of Korean ideology .As a Westerner and a parent of a daughter who is a single working mother. I can say I'm very proud of the choices my daughter has made. If she gets married and it's what she wants, I'll be fine with it, and if she doesn't get married, then I'm fine with it as well. It's her life, and she has to walk her own path. I gave life to her, but she doesn't owe me anything or should live her life for me. I hope that, as a parent , I have provided her with the tools necessary to make the best life choices for herself.
You are destroying your daughter.
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There is a lot of pressure being married to a Korean for sure.
@Sodium Syndicate That's your opinion, and you certainly is entitled to it. I didn't have my daughter for her to live her life for me. She walks in her own skin and has her own thoughts, wishes, wants, and desires. Many of us Westerners are about individuality to some degree, and I am not apologetic about it. Just as my daughter respects me, I have to do the same in showing her respect. Of course, some of the decisions that she makes, I don't always agree with, but it's her life, so she has to live with the consequences of those decisions but as her mother,I'm always going to be there to support her and cheer her on. I'm not my daughter's oversear,put on this earth to control her, I'm her parent, here to guide, support, encourage and give her tools to live by. Marriage is not for everybody, and neither is being a parent. All I can to you@SodiumSyndicate is if you are a parent or when you become a parent, you have an opportunity to make that child into a thoughtful human being, not control their every moment and decision. How then do they grow and learn if we as parents are making most of the critical decision for them. Life is about experiences, learning, and growing. My daughters life is her own. When I leave this earth, she won't die for me or vice versa, so it's up to her to live the best life possible.
Your daughter chose to give her child a one parent home by choice ? So the child will never know what its like to have a father is it ? Perhaps the cheering of single parent homes is the reason why america is filled with single mother homes and according to the prison stats in the usa , most prisoners come from single Mother homes , not single parent but specifically single mother homes . If the father is not in childs life as a result of his death , my apologies , other than that , willingly being a single parent should not be cheered because its denying a child the love , protection and guidance from the other parent . Its rare that children that come from single parent homes grow up not feeling the absence . How many bfs did the child not witness the mother having? Single parents tend to expose their kids to things that married parents do not . Ones child should not see parents rotating partners yearly or see parents having flings .
As a Korean American, this is very fascinating. I had no idea all this was going on and I don't think I really saw it with my own family. I do remember my grandmother asking me why I - the granddaughter - was in the kitchen. I thought she was being progressive when she told me to focus on school instead of learning recipes...except the reason she said it was because she assumed I'd have to pick up the cooking/baking skills once I got married because "men are useless in the kitchen." What stood out to me is that she viewed cooking as a chore to be done for husbands, not a fun hobby or skill that someone might want to pick up for their own satisfaction. I told her I want to cook nice dishes for MYSELF. She didn't get it lol.
I think grandparents do not know how much it hurts their grandchild's marriage prospects when they perpetuate these rigid rules.
David, you did a great job facilitating the discussion, and I especially like that everyone had different thoughts and perspectives.
I personally enjoyed hearing Kelsey as she brought in a lot of insights and approached each question as to why things are the way they are. I hope to see more of her in future episodes.
As an Indian, I can relate to it all. 💯 I think parent’s involvement, gender roles and other such customs is same all over Asia.
Not the same.😂 "Asian" is not a monolith.
@@la381 u know india comes under Asia right?!
Very well said Jasmine.
@@endisnear306Yes, Indians are Asians. However, customs are not the same all over Asia, hence, it cannot be treated as a monolith. The difficulties that Koreans face sounds constrictive for me, a Filipina who now lives in the US.
@@Starcraftghost india is very diverse, the whole North East has the typical "Asian" Custom. The indians u met in the USA are mainly those who might be central and South Indian.
How are kids left out till 11 pm and 2 am just for studying? That is disastrous! WTF!
That's contributing to the high suicide rate in Korea. What sort of "studying" is that? I doubt even Einstein studied that much. The work load and brain stretch is beyond a healthy comprehension.
Love how we are all so different ❤✊🏻
We dont mind providing for our family with resources if she takes care of it in other ways, and yeah food is like love in a plate. She already wants someone better than her in every metric though, taller, stronger, higher socioeconomically etc, get real. + if she preserved her value , we'll build up our value. If she does the housework then we'll pay for everything no a problem. I think laziness is the only thing that isn't wanted. If we both work then ok cool she doesnt have to make food but we each pay for our half then. However I would argue women want to be provided for and dont want to pay half so.. we'll see where society goes.
well tbh you were the only one out of all 3 that was normal and respectful/respectable...rest 2 are tr@sh ACC. From all of my experience, I can say where they coming from...and there is a word for these types of women here in western and that is delusional, who are going to live their whole life at home full of cats.
I liked this format...it was fun. And as a married American mom, your conversation made me kinda sad. My husband did use his paternity leave and was very active in our children's upbringing. For that I'm very thankful. The reliance (throughout Korean culture) on the Myers Briggs test is terrifying! It's not even an accurate test! Good luck to all of you!
We dont mind providing for our family with resources if she takes care of it in other ways, and yeah food is like love in a plate. She already wants someone better than her in every metric though, taller, stronger, higher socioeconomically etc, get real. + if she preserved her value , we'll build up our value. If she does the housework then we'll pay for everything no a problem. I think laziness is the only thing that isn't wanted. If we both work then ok cool she doesnt have to make food but we each pay for our half then. However I would argue women want to be provided for and dont want to pay half so.. we'll see where society goes.
What is the MyersBriggs test
@@wuncieadams1352 It is a personality test originally designed for the workplace. It has 8 "results" in 4 categories. The first category (letter) for example is "Extrovert" E or "Introvert" I... The problem is that most people are Ambiverts and land somewhere in between or change based on the situation... And that "somewhere inbetween" is true for all four categories! So how accurate can it be?! for some reason Korean people rely heavily on a person's test result for hiring and DATING! Koreans in the media are often identifying themselves with their MBTI - like an astrological sign! If you google it, you can learn a lot about it.
@@RR-et6zp Lmfaooooo wtf
@@wuncieadams1352A personality test and categorization scheme. Not terribly precise but the four traits it measures does have some correlation to the five or six characteristics modeled in the actual science of psychology.
It amazes me how much a woman has to shut her life down when pregnancy happens no matter how successful she is, no matter what country. I feel bad when women have to do this because it's stressful to think about returning to work or not.
Edit: It boggles the mind that society wants women to do this but everything involving us doing so is so expensive like medical, day care, therapy especially if she has to stop working to do so.
In Scandinavian countries it is not quite like that. The mother is assured full wage for approximately 6 months after giving birth and would then often take another 6 months funded by private insurance, which most people have.. Parental leave laws have even changed recently , so 3 months are now specifically for the partner, meaning that if the partner does not take these 3 months, they are wasted. This means that it has become normal for men to have 3 months of parental leave alone with the child. It makes the burden on companies more equal whether they have female or male employees, which in turn should make pay more equal. And it makes the men more used to looking after the kid and doing house chores (and respect their spouse when they find out being a housewife is not like having nothing to do). I have very high hopes for how this might influence gender equality in future generations in Denmark. ❤
@@tanjakragelund3380 that's why your nations are largely homogenous and dont allow mass immigration to overload the system🤣
@@tanjakragelund3380 I agree people always blame it is hard to have a baby because lack of support however this influence isn't as great as people mention. Studies show married people on average have two children on average. The actual problem is getting married in the first place. Just not enough people getting married or getting married too late. For example 25 percent of first marriages in Japan is at 50!
@@2DarkHorizon It surely is different getting married in Denmark. First of all, it is not seen as a much. In fact, a lot of people choose to start having kids and then getting married (by choice not accident). Secondly, marriage in Denmark is not like 2 families uniting. They will most likely only see each other at special occasions. In my case, the first time our parents met was at the wedding. And I did not get any obligations towards his family after the marriage. Of course, I would often visit them together with my husband, but they would remain his responsibility (or perhaps not even that) - never mine. It is not something new. It was the same for my parents (and I am 51 y. o.).
@@tanjakragelund3380 Denmark is interesting by what you said people having kids before marriage. It isn't that accepted in asian countries. Anyway I would need some statistics to confirm the extent of it. However the start to everything is dating or just man and woman meeting up for a partner. If that requirement can't be meet easily problems will start. I made another comment earlier that in a survey in Japan 40percent of men between 20 and 30 never had a date in their life. So basically no dating experience the chances of marriage drop by a lot.
OMG, I have followed all of you separately and together for years. My favorite thing with all your channels has been the insight into the Korean culture. Seeing Korea from your eyes has been an amazing journey. I was so devastated when DKDKTV took a break shortly after BTS took theirs. It was too much for my heart to handle. I'm over-the-moon that you have come back with a new channel, and I can't wait to see who you bring as guests and what topics you discuss.
PS: I really appreciate that you are trying to keep this channel PG rated. It makes watching so much more enjoyable for me.
Same
As a Bengali-American girl, I'm really enjoying this video so far. Many points are relatable and it is refreshing to hear them talked about from your perspectives. A lot of Asian cultures intersect in terms of cultural and household norms, not just Asian but worldwide
As a Nigerian living in CA, the challenges outlined in this video applies in my culture as well. We have very similar cultures. Excellent content!
Which ones?
Nigerians are obsessed with marriage and having children.
Never will have a negative birth rate. So which negatives exactly?
I'm in north africa (Tunisia) like literally, this 100% how it is here too hhh
@@nadiaaouadi4266 I bet. It is crazy how the Asian culture is so similar to that of Africa. Even when Asians talk about having "tiger moms" that brag about their children's IQ - I can easily relate. We are more similar than we differ.
@@thoughtprocess97 that how a lot of cultures are
@Thought Process I agree, I am French/Congolese and relate a lot with other African cultures even from the North like Tunisia or Morocco although I am not from a Muslim countries. And I feel the same with Korean India or even Vitnamese cultures. Which are cultures I happened to know better thanks to friends.
It's really interesting discussion and good to know how korean influencers think about their society. I'm a Japanese and We have a common sense for the gender role but when it comes to a dating culuture, korean seem to feel much more lonleiness and pressure for being a single. I would say maybe Japan
is a best single-friendly country all over the world. Here we can go almost everwhere alone. Some analysts say it's a cause of the low birth rate in Japan but it's interesting to see that Korea has such a very low birth rate despite of thier intense dating culture.
I think most married Japanese rather raise their kid outside their country hahahaha At least in my neighbourhood of Kuala Lumpur 9
/10 apartment neighbours of mine are Japanese family who father is corporate mogul and mother is fulltime mother with their kids study in KL Japanese school So yeah if the Japanese wanna mingle better moved out of Japan
Not really. The single women of Japan over 35+ in Japan tend to import men from overseas. I have lived in Japan and do not think it is single friendly
Thank you for sharing your perspective and Japanese culture!
Literally felt like you guys are my friends and we were catching up. And Anna's comments of just, you know once they die....lol, I burst out in laughter so hard!
And David be like, but death is not the solution. You guys are hilarious
I enjoyed this so so much! Please make much more videos on a lot more topics, and I love the cast of the four of you, please do bring more together💜
Can't believe this is the first episode!!! so good -- can't wait to see what else comes out of KPC!
Everything they said about education I 100% agree with. It's all about ego stroking amongst the parents while the kid suffers and ultimately the parents could have just invested the money and their kid would be way ahead of their peers financially instead of stressing over a limited amount of jobs that most kids aren't even going to get. This is what I exactly said to one of my parents.
This was informative and entertaining! I subscribe to all of your channels individually. It’s nice to see you all together! Will definitely tune in for more.
I enjoyed this quite a lot. I love how spontaneous and conversational it is. And i love how comfortable you guys are talking about this.
Keep Anna and Kelsey around👍🏼
Yes!
I love the concept already. I am ready for more 🍕 talks with a good variety of ingredients/people/subjects.
We dont mind providing for our family with resources if she takes care of it in other ways, and yeah food is like love in a plate. She already wants someone better than her in every metric though, taller, stronger, higher socioeconomically etc, get real. + if she preserved her value , we'll build up our value. If she does the housework then we'll pay for everything no a problem. I think laziness is the only thing that isn't wanted. If we both work then ok cool she doesnt have to make food but we each pay for our half then. However I would argue women want to be provided for and dont want to pay half so.. we'll see where society goes.
I *love* this! You created a great atmosphere for such discussions. Although I am not Korean, I was raised in an envirement with similar issues, and it's nice to see serious topics like this and everyone's perspective being shared in such a casual envirement. I am also learning Korean out of pure love for the language and culture, and content like this creates a great opportunity for me to learn about current cultural subjects from a Korean's perspective. I learned a lot. I also subscribed, and am looking forward to the next epidose!
I've been hoping and waiting for a segment like this from the 4 of you for some time, since each of your channels talk about these topics. But it's even more refreshing to see you all discussing this more in depth together. Looking forward to more "podcast" style videos.
Enjoying the topic and look forward to the next. Will catch the remainder after work.
Such a great panel! Enjoyed listening to each individual’s beliefs/ opinions about the topics introduced. I think you’re getting somewhere David. There cannot be change unless people speak up and start being the change. Hope all goes well with your show!
P.S.. Do NOT change the show’s name. I think it’s unique and sparks the audience’s interest!
The whole exchange on mothers in law blew me away. I am a mother in law and there is no way as a human being I could act like that to the person my child chose to marry. I rarely contact my in law children unless it is something necessary. I’m gobsmacked by this.
difference between western and eastern marriages.
In east your basically marrying the whole family.
why the need to be so judgemental? every culture is different. just because you find it unacceptable, does not mean you are better. you coming here with "better than you" attitude, i wish people were more understanding and less judgemental.
@@edgehodl4832 most foreigners cherrypick and also make generalizations of korean men, discarding actual statistics and evidence that claim foreign societies require much more understanding than their twitter and tiktok-given knowledge, of how the default thought of all men here being misogynist, perverts and controlling-minded beings, which is just plain out stupid. if such were to be the arguments, in 2023 there are just as much if not more things to criticize how women here are so demanding of men in dating culture as well as marriage and work-life, but if there is a factor that is infact true is that due to confuscionism, the korean society- similar to many east asian countries- historically had wives basically having to indoctrinate themselves to the traditions and housework of the husband's family, including doing worshiping for the dead.
with the introduction to secularism here in korea (more than 60% increase of the youth now being secular in comparison to the previous pre-1980s born generation), as well as various liberal culture influence, such depths of tradition has been on depletion since the 2000s which the numbers back it up.
It's just a cultural difference. Why do you even watch shows centered on Korean culture if you're just going to be "gobsmacked?" It's a completely different culture, Western culture has its aspects that would "gobsmack" a person from the East as well. Your comment clearly has this xenophobic undertone to it, like wtf do you mean "as a human?" Do you think Asian ppl don't know how to act "as a human?"
@@dathunderman4 probably just cultural shock?
The sanggyeonrye (상견례) is a formal meeting between the families of the bride and groom before the wedding
That meeting ALONE could dismantle an entire relationship/possible marriage within 30-90 days. There's so many levels if I gave you a book you'd want to roll it up and use it to hit flies or just throw it at someone
I love this panel discussion. So interesting, perfect cast.
This podcast was an amazing surprise! Subjects that interest me a lot :) Can't wait to watch the other episodes
I love the name and David's interpretation! I also think of community and sharing when I think of a pizza pie which is what the podcast seems to be about too. Awesome first guests ✨
This is a really interesting vlog👍it’s thought provoking. Hope to see more!
Congrats on your new project, David, so happy 4u, ep 1 is so entertaining and fun, informative too
Wow, this was such a rich and insightful discussion!
So interesting to see different perspectives and key points met regarding the factors leading to SK's low birth date and desinterest in marriage. This is pretty much a global phenomenon but the factors driving it def change by country and it was really interesting to see your discussion on the factors that might be driving it in SK. Thank you all Kelsey, Anna, David and Soobeanie🙌
Looking forward to the next episode already 🤩
Thanks for making the podcast David, the dialogue with your friends really bring a lot of insight into Korean culture (both past and present) and more importantly changing attitudes to marriage. Keep it up please !
There was no way I was gonna get married and have kids in Korea. Having your kids go through the stressful school life and military duties is just a sin. I moved out of Korea. Got married, got a kid, living a great life. I just go to Korea every other year to see my parents and friends.
You guys are awesome possum for putting this out. I am Canadian and there are so many concepts you all mentioned that would fly like a lead balloon here. You're generational pioneers for those in your society who are ready to do things differently. Looking forward to upcoming episodes .
We dont mind providing for our family with resources if she takes care of it in other ways, and yeah food is like love in a plate. She already wants someone better than her in every metric though, taller, stronger, higher socioeconomically etc, get real. + if she preserved her value , we'll build up our value. If she does the housework then we'll pay for everything no a problem. I think laziness is the only thing that isn't wanted. If we both work then ok cool she doesnt have to make food but we each pay for our half then. However I would argue women want to be provided for and dont want to pay half so.. we'll see where society goes.
@RR dude you just keep spamming that comment in threads that are completely unrelated to the original comment. Move on.
I love the wide variety of opinions and perspectives! Also I'm a fan of everyone on this panel individually, so I feel very spoiled seeing you all together lol. I'm so excited for more!🔥
I thought MBTI was developed to help us all understand and accept each other, not judge each other. The book I first heard about it from in the '90s was called "Please Understand Me."
Exactly. Using it to judge people is counterintuitive.
I stumbled across this video and I thought it was a really interesting and fun listen! I'm Korean myself and have observed the same things, and have some similar concerns expressed in this video. I really liked that we got a range of stances/beliefs from the different panelists on dating and marriage and kids (from more traditional to not traditional), it made the podcast more interesting.
Great balanced convo. Big fan of all of you guys & appreciated the varied point of views!
This is really interesting. Keep it up!
This channel is gonna be big someday! Just keep working at it
I appreciate that!
This is my first time to listen to koreans talk in depth about korean 'family' kulture. Enjoyed this a lot and learned a lot. Thanks.
I really like the different societal aspects that you bring into this discussion. It's far more nuanced than discussions about dating often are. Also: stellar group. Great dynamic between you four.
Please keep this going I absolutely love this group dynamic and going deep on such important topics!
We dont mind providing for our family with resources if she takes care of it in other ways, and yeah food is like love in a plate. She already wants someone better than her in every metric though, taller, stronger, higher socioeconomically etc, get real. + if she preserved her value , we'll build up our value. If she does the housework then we'll pay for everything no a problem. I think laziness is the only thing that isn't wanted. If we both work then ok cool she doesnt have to make food but we each pay for our half then. However I would argue women want to be provided for and dont want to pay half so.. we'll see where society goes.
I am a working mom in the US. I suffer from burn out, depression and anxiety. I can understand why korean women are not getting married and having children. It is a huge sacrifice!!!
Are you married?
The similarities across different cultures are quite striking given the distances between them either ocean or land. E.g., the gifts, gender roles, contemporary sentiment, etc.
Love this already! Can't wait for more!
Fabulous episode! My new favorite podcast!
Children of Greek and Italian immigrant parents went through the exact same thing despite being brought up in the West in Australia. Culturally Greece progressed ahead however immgirant kids found themselves trapped in cultural practices and expectations that had long died in the original homeland. The in laws, the expectations of mothers and wives, the wedding rigmarole, if you're dating someone for an extended period the expectation was that you give 'logos' which is a commitment to marry. It's very similar to contemporary Korean culture. I'm floored at the similarities!!!
Thank you for sharing your culture and insights
Good to see Anna, David, Kelsey and Soobeanie together. Perhaps if child care or nurseries were more popular, it would enable more women to return to work after having a baby. I realise it's a big change and a different mindset.
In our culture we have parents and grandparents and family members taking care of the children if women go to work but most of the time women can stay home with the children. Women stay home and take care of the babies. They should let women stay home taking care of the children. Men should go out to work and make money.
@@user-ti5um5ek1t Wish it was like that in the states. Plus we have to pay a ton to have a baby. Insurance covers somethings, but if you have complications during or after pregnancy it gets pricey for some people.
@@user-ti5um5ek1t the thing is many women want to work for themselves and build their own careers and interests outside of childrearing
@@user-ti5um5ek1tomen don’t want to do that though? You put all that work into getting your dream job and have to give it up forever? Who wants to do that.And also womenhave never just stayed at home they’ve always worked Because for most of history people were too poor worldwide to afford one parent not bringing in an income
Thank you for this Club!
I really enjoyed my time...
Correction:
David said the glass ceiling is gone and women are now earning the same as men in South Korea.
Actually, in 2017, the OECD placed Korea in the last position of all OECD countries for gender pay gap, a position that has not improved since the OECD first published this ranking in 2000. The gender pay gap in Korea is 34.6%, while the OECD average is 13.1%.
You've got to acknowledge the problem before it can be fixed.
is that taking into consideration of the same position at same job or average in general? because average in general is not accurate because different types of jobs pay more that women prefer not to do etc.
He said they're "almost" earning equally
In the 60s korean gender equity was eve wise yet they had x6 times more children. Ur explanation is BS. Koreans just don't wanna have kids and spend that money on themselves instead period!
ty for that
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Loved Kelsey's perspectives!
Great talk! I love your openness and honesty. It's great to get a deeper understanding of different cultures and seeing different truths. South Africans are very family orientated. I think many of us view marriage as a promise to each other that no matter how much the shit hits the fan we have each other's back.
Great insights on your society and the changes at many levels
I'm American & old enough to be your mom, but I have a 24 year old, so I really enjoy your points of view. David & Anna, I'm so glad to see you doing this & enjoy getting to know your two friends as well 😊.
This panel is fukn legendary
4:15 😆 yes! I’ve seen this!
Great idea - good variety of perspectives on especially issues facing Korean women and love the personal stories like Kelsey’s dad doing dishes lol. It would be amazing if this was a forum to actually help making these societal changes in Korea by sharing these videos - maybe you can invite experts too 😉
No to Singles Club - pizza is cute, toppings sounds like topics lol
I really enjoyed the talks and especially the guests, have them again! I like the name, don't change cuz all topics are on the table👏👏
This episode has been such a breathe of fresh air ❤
I loved everything about this show. Well done to you all. Was fascinating.
As someone who has been married for 38 years my advice to you all is to find someone with the same values and principles. Nothing else matters. You can work through problems..life's problems are just solutions waiting to be found...but if you as a couple do not have the same values and principles it makes resolving life's problems very difficult. As a couple you can do anything if you believe in the same things in life. ❤
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Congrats to David and folks, i pretty much enjoyed this episode!!!
Great discussion and panel. I actually enjoy Kelsey more laid back and insightful without cursing
Idk what changed but Kelsey is looking so pretty and a lot calmer in this video❤. I really like this group. I hope to is Channel blow up 🔥
The first episode was very insightful, successful and entertaining!
Can't wait to see what's to come!!!! Kelsey's energy was lower than normal but she still was her fun talkative self🤩
Ps: I'm Soobean when it comes to marriage and kids🙈
We dont mind providing for our family with resources if she takes care of it in other ways, and yeah food is like love in a plate. She already wants someone better than her in every metric though, taller, stronger, higher socioeconomically etc, get real. + if she preserved her value , we'll build up our value. If she does the housework then we'll pay for everything no a problem. I think laziness is the only thing that isn't wanted. If we both work then ok cool she doesnt have to make food but we each pay for our half then. However I would argue women want to be provided for and dont want to pay half so.. we'll see where society goes.
Nicely done! Will watch more episodes!!!
Really interesting to hear and I think I better understand the situation after listening. Also, I didn't realize this is an up-and-coming podcast, hope it works out!
Don't change the name!!!! It's so original and creative and interesting, it makes a lot of sense immediately and it's very relevant to your themes, 10/10 ^^
There is an interesting article in the New York Magazine/The Cut: SK Women. The article address all of the topics you all have discussed about marriage, babies, gender issues in South Korea - mostly from the female view about Korean society.
I loved it! Keep it going!!!
such an interesting topic ! I really enjoyed it !
I love the name. I think it’s great and as a non-Korean who has been watching your channels, it’s really interesting to learn about a Korean perspective from you all, especially since you’ve experienced so much Western culture. Looking forward to the next episode.
4 of my favorite RUclipsrs in one video, yes please :) This is very interesting. Some of the "stereotypes" with gender roles I can relate. Maybe because I'm Asian too. :DCan you also have guests who are non-Korean but have been living there and how is it in terms of cultural differences or just the different opinions between diverse guests on certain topics? Also since cults have come to light more now with documentaries, maybe that's a good topic to discuss and if you can have someone who is either a current member or a former member of a cult. Another suggestion would be how is the working life of people your age - maybe have guests with different occupations and/or very unique jobs.
I enjoyed this a lot!
Personally,i like the podcast's title as it is.
Very intersting topics,loved how you managed the flow of the conversation.
The guests were very entertaining too!
waiting for more episodes :)
They are basically expressing their feelings and emotions just like any human beings in life.😊
David, this was an amazing conversation! It's refreshing to get a modern Korean POV of dating, marriage, children etc. which IRL we don't get to see outside of K-Dramas. Especially from women like Kelsey, Anna and Soobeanie. Love all those ladies. This was FIRE. Keep up the great content!
I really enjoyed watching this!
21:57 they're getting more married in third world countries because they don't have the economic and financial freedom to survive otherwise. I'm from a third world country and trust me people see marriage as a ticket out of poverty or a better life than they're currently living. They don't even want wealth they just want to not starve
Yeah I’ve been married to my Korean wife for 5 years and it has not been easy at all. But it is what it is. Great episode 😊
Soobeanie seems like an ISFJ. She radiates warmth and kindness!
she said she is ESFP not?
Myers-Briggs is pseudoscience. It has no scientific or predictive capabilities.
personality types are BS, most psychology is BS
This is interesting because the factors mentioned like parents meeting is common in a lot of other countries but people are still getting married every single year. But I think in general the number of marriages have reduced everywhere. The level of involvement of parents in the marriage though is certainly a huge factor especially when one is dependent on their parent's for payment of a lot of things given the state of the economy. It must be hard.
Saving to watch later because I really want to listen to this one in-depth and utmost focus 🌸✨
Loved this podcast!
u should have korean single pizza segments but def keep korean pizza club as a name, it’s so unique and i love the meaning and u could get pizza and drink and wing sponsors and idk it seems like there’s a lot of potential there!
I’m excited for the next eps!!
It's so awesome to learn more about modern Korean culture from ACTUAL Koreans and not random people pretending to know shit 🤣 I have lived there briefly before but I hope to return back soon and be more immersed in the culture. Learning from you guys has been a lot of fun!
@JuriK I believe Koreans and Korean-AMERICANS are more qualified to speak on issues regarding Korea and Korean life than anyone else.
Unfortunately, they really don't know shit. They're just RUclipsrs, not actual scholars who've done research on the topic of marriage, birthrate, and the history of those things. And while they bring their own perspective and personal experience as Koreans, you're better off consulting an expert if you're really interested in this topic.
These Koreans were raised abroad and have adopted western standards, so they're not "Korean-Korean". I'm one of these Koreans. Koreans don't only live in Korea. You should learn about Korean diaspora.
@@georgecrumb8442 you're full of sh/t. No wonder all you ate were crumbs.😂
@@la381 I'm aware of that. That's basic logic. That's like how not all African people live in Africa. But I'd accept what these Koreans are saying as opposed to someone of a different race who's never stepped foot in South Korea or met a Korean person trying to give the rundown on what Koreans are like. I also know that this podcast isn't 100% reliable as it's heavily based on the panel's personal opinion. I have media literacy, don't worry.
This type of conversation is great. I am a man in the US. I go to work and do work around the house. Marriage is a balance.
Absolutely
Excellent. Subscribed.
yay I love kelsey and anna. pls be regulars on this podcast LOL
Another podcast added to my faves!