@@sarahm7086 Wisconsin sour. Bitters, tripple sec, Brandy and squirt. Orange and cherries get muddled, no sugar needed. In Wisco a sour is with squirt and sweet is with sprite. Dont ask me why.
for me i do it differently and how i make it also i’m from wisconsin. put the cherries and oranges on bottom with cane sugar put in whatever whiskey/bourbon, muddle it, add ice then put in 7up/sprite/squirt.
exactly. and at no point should there be an orange slice anywhere near that old fashioned. the definition of a cocktail is in itself an old fashioned. sugar, bitters, spirit. what he’s making is a 1940’s old fashioned, think of it as an old fashioned on training wheels for people who lack the palette.
I’ve never seen anyone muddle the orange in an old fashioned. Your supposed to peel it and squeeze the peel in a certain way to get the juice out then you wipe the rim of the glass
I was taught that old fashioned was always made in a mixing glass... in fact all drinks are mixed in a mixing glass. Unless it's a mojito... I kind of miss bartending
@seymourjames The main reason you use a mixing glass is because the old fashioned will be unbalanced due to the amount of water that is added to the drink during the stirring. People think that mixing with ice is about blending ingredients and the chilling the drink, however with cocktails that do not contain citrus juice (lemon or lime) without about an Oz. of water melted into the drink it will be too boozy or bitter. Putting the old fashioned into a mixing glass with smaller ice pieces (smaller ice have more overall surface area and will melt faster into the drink) will allow the drink to reach the correct balance easier. You could just spin that big ass ice cube forever I guess but no one has time for that and 9 times out of ten the drink will be unbalanced.
If someone only read these comments they leave believing an old fashioned is actually just straight whisky with a touch of sugar and bitters. When in actuality even before the old fashioned got its name it was more of a format for a cocktail and not a specific recipe. Basically any drink that is extremely sprit forward and contains whiskey bitters and sugar can correctly be called an old fashioned. A small amount of juice from a muddled orange wedge isn’t drastically transforming the drink. Especially since this recipe forgoes the splash of water that is normally used to dissolve the sugar. If this isn’t your preferred way of making an old fashioned then fine. But trying to arguing that there is only one ‘correct’ way to make a cocktail with thousands of popular variations and a mostly unknown origin story is ludicrous. And claiming that your preferred way just happens to be that correct way is arrogant. If your argument is that the orange juice hides the subtleties of a good whiskey, well so does sugar and bitters. If you are drinking an expensive whiskey you really shouldn’t be mixing it with anything barring a tiny bit of water or ice.
Right? He was going for what's considered the "modern" old fashioned. Came out after the Prohibition Era, I think. This is how I learned it. And you actually muddle the sugar, bitters, orange and 2 cherries for a "modern" but it's all to taste. I don't why people hate on Johnny Drinks. Lol.
There is no fruit muddled in an old fashion. Its sugar, water, bitters, ice, whiskey. You can add fruit as a garnish at the end, but its better without.
Different bars have different standards. The bar I work at we muddle both a cherry and orange rind. Some bars don’t. Not a single customer has complained, and most who order OF’s don’t even like whiskey neat. They’re just looking for a cocktail that doesn’t taste of straight whiskey.
@@ScrantonStranglerFan by adding fruit to the drink, it changes the taste and it's not a standard old fashion. It's something else. Kind of like an apple martini is not a martini.
@@jkn4088 I’m not saying you’re wrong of opinion, but several recipes call for muddling fruit. Several recipes also don’t. It comes down to a matter of standard for the establishment. Ultimately, if you’re concerned about the recipe of your old fashioned, you can simply ask the bartender to correct any concerns.
@@ScrantonStranglerFan if you’re a traditionalist then the only fruit should be the rind of an orange peel. Originally it did not call for muddled fruit, it was muddled sugar to help it dissolve, since we have simple syrup at every bar that gets used instead. Personally I like to make everything how it was originally made when it was invented, unless otherwise requested
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The way you remember how to make a Manhattan is the area code of Manhattan (212). Two ounces of whiskey, one ounce of vermouth, and two dashes of bitters
Diff old fash in diff places. Sugar cube or simple syrup, bitters (can use the ag orange if you want), muddle a cherry not orange with these, dbl of a whiskey (alot of ppl use a rye here), then you can use the orange to peel to rub around the rim & garnish. Some ppl float an extra cherry instead.
Manhattan: 2 oz Rye 1 oz sweet vermouth 2 dashes bitters Old Fashion: 2 oz Rye 1 bar spoon syrup 2 dashes bitters No fruit never fruit. I'd prefer my cocktails to stay pulp free thank you.
Don't get me wrong, drink whatever the hell you want and enjoy things how you like them, if you want to make an Old Fashioned with muddled orange, go for it! But at the same time, don't tell people this is how you're supposed to make an Old Fashioned.
Don’t muddle the orange peel. It will extract too much bitterness. The Orange peel should be expressed into the glass, rubbed around the rim and then placed into the drink.
Simple syrup is also the consistent way, for both measuring and incorporating sugar into the drink. Although I usually prefer demarara syrup, or a barrel-aged maple syrup
Paused right away.. a Manhattan is much sweeter An old fashioned gives you much more bourbon/whiskey flavor. Never liked a Manhattan but love old fashions
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NOOOOOOO... There shouldn't be any pulp in an Old fashioned. Why would you muddle the orange? Also is should only be an orange peel after the drink is finished being made.. Muddle orange in my Old fashioned your getting it back
What's the difference between a Manhattan and an old fashioned......? What?? They're not even close. What's the difference between a shoelace and a semi truck..? Hold on, let me show you.
Old fashioned is in a mixing glass with sugar syrup, bitters and bourbon, Manhattan is in the glass but preferred in a mixing glass, terrible advice here
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If you gave me that old fashioned i'd be sending it back.
How do you like yours?
Constant debate at my restaurant whether to muddle fruit or not
@@sarahm7086 Wisconsin sour. Bitters, tripple sec, Brandy and squirt. Orange and cherries get muddled, no sugar needed. In Wisco a sour is with squirt and sweet is with sprite. Dont ask me why.
for me i do it differently and how i make it also i’m from wisconsin. put the cherries and oranges on bottom with cane sugar put in whatever whiskey/bourbon, muddle it, add ice then put in 7up/sprite/squirt.
exactly. and at no point should there be an orange slice anywhere near that old fashioned. the definition of a cocktail is in itself an old fashioned. sugar, bitters, spirit. what he’s making is a 1940’s old fashioned, think of it as an old fashioned on training wheels for people who lack the palette.
No jigger, free pour with no spout, sugar packet and orange slice.. when mom says “we got cocktails at home” 😂
I’ll never understand how a cocktail channel is so popular when you get SO many things wrong
What did he get wrong?
I mean it’s a Wisconsin old fashioned not a traditional old fashioned but it’s kinda still correct seeing as simple syrup is just sugar and water
I’ve never seen anyone muddle the orange in an old fashioned. Your supposed to peel it and squeeze the peel in a certain way to get the juice out then you wipe the rim of the glass
I’m sending that Old Fashioned back
I was taught that old fashioned was always made in a mixing glass... in fact all drinks are mixed in a mixing glass. Unless it's a mojito... I kind of miss bartending
Why?
+1
@seymourjames The main reason you use a mixing glass is because the old fashioned will be unbalanced due to the amount of water that is added to the drink during the stirring. People think that mixing with ice is about blending ingredients and the chilling the drink, however with cocktails that do not contain citrus juice (lemon or lime) without about an Oz. of water melted into the drink it will be too boozy or bitter. Putting the old fashioned into a mixing glass with smaller ice pieces (smaller ice have more overall surface area and will melt faster into the drink) will allow the drink to reach the correct balance easier. You could just spin that big ass ice cube forever I guess but no one has time for that and 9 times out of ten the drink will be unbalanced.
If someone only read these comments they leave believing an old fashioned is actually just straight whisky with a touch of sugar and bitters.
When in actuality even before the old fashioned got its name it was more of a format for a cocktail and not a specific recipe. Basically any drink that is extremely sprit forward and contains whiskey bitters and sugar can correctly be called an old fashioned. A small amount of juice from a muddled orange wedge isn’t drastically transforming the drink. Especially since this recipe forgoes the splash of water that is normally used to dissolve the sugar.
If this isn’t your preferred way of making an old fashioned then fine. But trying to arguing that there is only one ‘correct’ way to make a cocktail with thousands of popular variations and a mostly unknown origin story is ludicrous. And claiming that your preferred way just happens to be that correct way is arrogant.
If your argument is that the orange juice hides the subtleties of a good whiskey, well so does sugar and bitters. If you are drinking an expensive whiskey you really shouldn’t be mixing it with anything barring a tiny bit of water or ice.
Why do i have to scroll for 2 minutes to see this comment smh, need more like
Right? He was going for what's considered the "modern" old fashioned. Came out after the Prohibition Era, I think. This is how I learned it. And you actually muddle the sugar, bitters, orange and 2 cherries for a "modern" but it's all to taste. I don't why people hate on Johnny Drinks. Lol.
“Amazing…everything you just said was wrong” 😂
That old-fashioned would not be consumed.
If you order an OF and you see muddled fruit in the bottom of the glass you know your at the wrong place.
This guy. This guy knows.
You'd be in Wisconsin
I felt violated when he muddled the orange.
@@jcat9100nope
If you order an OF and see anything but the bottom of the glass in the bottom of the glass, you know you're at the wrong place.
How do you have a cocktail channel and not know how to make cocktails ?
I know. It blows my mind. He's a terrible bartender and it pisses me off.
He jus got lucky on tik tok/RUclips making some drinks at home he knows nothing jus like his son
I know dude. That looks terrible.
@@LL-Coolio How to drink is an amateur or at least he was and uses actual pouring techniques
There are many ways to make an old fashioned. That is not how I do it because I don't want pulp and sugar crystals
I actually like the sugar crystals in my old-fashioned. So I do prefer to use granulated type sugar. However, I do not muddle the orange.
There is no fruit muddled in an old fashion. Its sugar, water, bitters, ice, whiskey. You can add fruit as a garnish at the end, but its better without.
Spot on, came here to say the same
Different bars have different standards. The bar I work at we muddle both a cherry and orange rind. Some bars don’t.
Not a single customer has complained, and most who order OF’s don’t even like whiskey neat. They’re just looking for a cocktail that doesn’t taste of straight whiskey.
@@ScrantonStranglerFan by adding fruit to the drink, it changes the taste and it's not a standard old fashion. It's something else. Kind of like an apple martini is not a martini.
@@jkn4088 I’m not saying you’re wrong of opinion, but several recipes call for muddling fruit. Several recipes also don’t. It comes down to a matter of standard for the establishment. Ultimately, if you’re concerned about the recipe of your old fashioned, you can simply ask the bartender to correct any concerns.
@@ScrantonStranglerFan if you’re a traditionalist then the only fruit should be the rind of an orange peel. Originally it did not call for muddled fruit, it was muddled sugar to help it dissolve, since we have simple syrup at every bar that gets used instead. Personally I like to make everything how it was originally made when it was invented, unless otherwise requested
Defintely don’t muddle an orange in an old fashioned
clean cups
Muddled orange in the OF went out years ago. Now it's just the classic, spirits, sugar, and bitters with an orange peel zest and a nice cherry!
So if the recipe changed, isn't that a different drink?
@@alfonsocarnucci3982the muddling was a change that became popular in the 60s. The old fashioned traces its origins to the 1800s.
Gotta chill that martini glass though
One is a Manhattan, and one is an Old Fashioned. You’re welcome.
Muddled the orange? Nasty and ruins it for me. I dont want orange pieces in my $20 OF.
Exactly. You don't want pulp in a fuckin OF.
I’ve just copped myself a bottle of Johnny drinks bourbon 🥃 ❤AMAZING JOB
FBI wouldn't have a hard time getting fingerprints off that glass.
I like my Manhattan on the rocks , perfect!❤
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I hope he will see all the comments, and learn how to make it corectly and clean! CLEAN!
Manhattan on the rocks is where its at. Shits dope AF
He's beautiful
Thank you for clarification, seriously.
Can I have a clean glass please
The way you remember how to make a Manhattan is the area code of Manhattan (212).
Two ounces of whiskey, one ounce of vermouth, and two dashes of bitters
B...b...but brandy
If my old fashion doesn’t have cherry I don’t want it
as a bartender, if i see an old fashioned made in the glass and not a mixing tin, im sending that shit back faster than a dog with rabies.
If he ever loses his ring, won't be able to make any drinks...no tink tink.
One or two? Oh, I don’t drink😂
The daddy’s boy is at it again!
Diff old fash in diff places. Sugar cube or simple syrup, bitters (can use the ag orange if you want), muddle a cherry not orange with these, dbl of a whiskey (alot of ppl use a rye here), then you can use the orange to peel to rub around the rim & garnish. Some ppl float an extra cherry instead.
Nope. That's not how an old fashioned is made. Sugar (cube or simple), bitters, bourbon (not whisky), ice. No muddled orange. No muddled cherry.
What can go wrong with an old-fashioned? Jim Backus, It’s a mad, mad, mad, mad world
Ugh. I'll just take a beer.
When he says 1 or 2 the answer is always 2
An OF with muddled fruit is Wisconsin style and should only be made this way in that state. This OF is going back.
Gotta use rye in that Manhattan big guy
Manhattan:
2 oz Rye
1 oz sweet vermouth
2 dashes bitters
Old Fashion:
2 oz Rye
1 bar spoon syrup
2 dashes bitters
No fruit never fruit.
I'd prefer my cocktails to stay pulp free thank you.
Thanks for the video.
One tastes good
If I order an old fashioned and get a fuckin sugar packet, I’m sending that shit back. Sugar cube is the only acceptable way.
This guy is NO bartender.Maybe works at the Red lobster.
I prefer the Old Fashioned be mixed in a mixing glass first. Also maybe ask the customer if he wants muddled.
Don't get me wrong, drink whatever the hell you want and enjoy things how you like them, if you want to make an Old Fashioned with muddled orange, go for it!
But at the same time, don't tell people this is how you're supposed to make an Old Fashioned.
Don’t muddle the orange peel. It will extract too much bitterness. The Orange peel should be expressed into the glass, rubbed around the rim and then placed into the drink.
Would that make me laugh uncontrolably at crude things 😂
Less than 5 seconds in and it’s already wrong lol. The difference is that a manhattan has vermouth and an old fashioned has simple syrup.
Classically, for an old fashioned, you muddle a single sugar cube. Simple syrup is the easy way. I use simple syrup, too.
Simple syrup is also the consistent way, for both measuring and incorporating sugar into the drink. Although I usually prefer demarara syrup, or a barrel-aged maple syrup
Muddled fruit in an old fashioned? TRASH!
I use maple syrup in my old fashioneds, theyre fantastic and worth the try
...wash that glass, yo!!
You do not muddle the damn orange in an old fashioned
Paused right away.. a Manhattan is much sweeter
An old fashioned gives you much more bourbon/whiskey flavor.
Never liked a Manhattan but love old fashions
do not crush orange slice and use sugar syrup not raw sugar from a packet
Always a odd number of garnishes
I can't believe you guys have this few views/comments. You guys offer some impressive advice...anyways, Cheers, Guys!❤ Love and appreciate the content.
Agreed!
Seems like our content has far more reach on other platforms! Thanks so much for the support
Geez, that could've made me cry, Johnnys. Maybe there's something wrong with the algorithm...@JohnnyDrinks
@@JohnnyDrinksNot true guys!!!
There’s a classic of and a wisco of look them up if u want to know the difference between
You forgot the spice cherry on top Johnny
My Old Fashioneds are typically 4 shots of Maker's Mark and a glass. Occasionally, I'll add ice.
Pretentious. No one likes that
@user-ng9io9fy8l Occasionally, I'll hold my pinky out.
@@Raddy2k I drink with my pinky out when needed.
Great video.. plus knew the “tap tap” was coming 😅
I prefer a long island
That'll be 97.50
Hot dad, is there a mom, if she is very LUCKY.
You don't muddle and orange in a old fashion you just have an orange peel
I'm from Wisconsin, Old Fashioned needs to be made with Brandy 😊
Yes, I was looking for this!
Yeah never trust an old fashioned that muddles the orange. They're never great and very low bar.
I’d love to meet you 2. Wish I had a dad like you, I’m all alone
He tried… but he’s wrong 😂😂 guy has no idea in the world
I always like how this guy gives a satisfying double tap to the bottle with his ring finger for emphasis.
This would be great if the kid wasnt making noise.
They're very similar: nothing at all is similar lol
NOOOOOOO... There shouldn't be any pulp in an Old fashioned. Why would you muddle the orange? Also is should only be an orange peel after the drink is finished being made.. Muddle orange in my Old fashioned your getting it back
Please dont muddle fruit in an old fashioned
Andddd got it. Won’t be going there for an Old Fashioned
Muddling a orange in your old fashion.. and saying you are using a maraschino cheery and not a luxurdo in a Manhattan…I know you are joking
So what is the version of an old fashioned where you use muddled cherries?
This is most definitely in the Midwest… yes?
And no cherry for the OF! This guy knows what’s up!
what this hack did to that OF is a crime
i think this is for fun yall.
When is very good and the other is called a Manhattan
1. Learn how to spell.
2. Screw you. Manhattan is far superior.
For bonus point, what’s the difference between a manhattan and a rob roy?
Bourbon (or rye) vs scotch
they are very similar, except for the entire recipe, especially when you make them wrong. why is there an orange in the old fashioned?
I've never seen muddled orange, but I've always seen an orange twist, and a few times I've seen a small orange wedge as a garnish.
What's the difference between a Manhattan and an old fashioned......? What?? They're not even close. What's the difference between a shoelace and a semi truck..? Hold on, let me show you.
aint no fucking muddled orange wedge in an old fashioned, its just a peel at the end
Similar how?
That’s one way to ruin an Old fashioned.
This guy can't make a drink
That old fashioned was a disgrace
Every time he taps his ring on something i hate him a little more.
Nooooo! Never muddle the fruit. That is not the proper way and it’s nasty to have little floating pulp.
Thats a mid century bastardized Old Fashioned
Old fashioned is in a mixing glass with sugar syrup, bitters and bourbon, Manhattan is in the glass but preferred in a mixing glass, terrible advice here
Do you not pour rye over ice so you don't bruise the rye...
No. No. Y no. Definitivamente no
thank you sir 😊
I’m hoping you’re trolling in which case you got me. Otherwise I’m annoyed this popped on my feed
Alcohol nomenclature is so stupid
This is a disgrace for bartenders