CJ McMahon rejoins Thy Art Is Murder, hates deathcore tag, sells windbreaker | Aggressive Tendencies
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- CJ McMahon of Thy Art Is Murder explains the growth of their songwriting from 'Hate' to 'Holy War' to 'Dear Desolation' origin of "No Absolution" (as well as why it was a stressful time for him), being referred to as a deathcore band, how listening to different genres (pop, classical, rap, trap, electronic, dance, etc.) impacts their own music, and why he would never think to sell his legendary North Face windbreaker. Interview conducted in Toronto on September 16th, 2017.
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Fuck yeah! So much respect for CJ and taim.
Thanks for watching, dude!
Hey jared
big fan of jared and been a fan of thy art since hate came out.
"we listen to a lot of music and not much metal and that's why we're so unique" every metal band ever. Love these guys though.
Hahaha.
there's nothing wrong with listening to only rock, metal and subgenres, you don't necessarily need to hear rap, and all that stuff to be unique
Hate was such a good album lol
ya still their best album imo
Their best without a doubt.
The only album I can still listen to repeatedly by them
Dear Desolation is definitely better.
Jordan Roe no mate
idk why people hate the term deathcore. There's nothing wrong with being deathcore
Vinny La Stella deathcore is dying
Nicki Collis fuck u nicki, were all dying
Elitists are the problem and also so many unoriginal/mediocre "Deathcore" bands
There's just this whole elitist stigma in the metal world with it being a very stagnant genre where uncreative bands write watered down death metal riffs and rely too much on breakdowns and chugs. There's a lot of truth to that notion in my opinion. However, there are a handful of brilliant deathcore bands. I don't LOVE Thy Art, but they're really solid and they definitely put more thought into their music than the average group in that style. My favorite group in the genre is probably the Red Chord. Glass Casket and early Wretched are close runners up.
Couldn't have said it better myself and that's why you can't really blame people who despise "deathcore"
Don't get me wrong i love breakdowns and chugs but those bands who only rely on it and have nothing new to offer has killed it for most Metalheads
I Hate how much hate has been thrown at deathcore and metalcore. Most people who hate it don't really give it a chance
The majority of people that hate it so much would actually end up realising they really like parts of it. That's the sad thing, like you said its never given a chance
Agreed with you. If you put on a deathcore album and swapped the production with a death metal band, they wouldn't think the breakdown was such a sin I'm sure. Fortunately, I've noticed the stance softening. I mentioned the fact that it's deathcore but people should still give it a chance in my Thy Art review for Banger TV, and there were a lot of comments saying "Who cares if it's deathcore? If it's good, it's good," which was nice. Though I worry if I hadn't mentioned it I would have gotten a lot of "Deathcore is all BS" comments. Fortunately we have more open minds around and will hopefully outweigh the judgment.
Thank you for watching, guys!
Exactly this ^^^^ And it is nice to see certain sub-genres becoming more 'acceptable' even if it is ridiculous they never were accepted in the first place but I'm definitely noticing it too. Thanks for the great content! \m/
Elitists who hate metalcore also saying it's emo music, never heard a REAL metalcore song
Jax the cat they're only cringy elitists man, you don't need to care about them
This was an excellent interview! I personally love DeathCore, and Thy Art stands out from the rest, which is absolutely welcome. Thanks guys!
Thanks very much! I don't love deathcore nor do I hate it...it simply exists and has some great and some not great bands. As it should be!
I'm the opposite man. I usually hate "deathcore" bands but I love Thy Art
Love the metal & eachother.
Tell that to the elitists
Dehumanized Anomaly lmao
Dehumanized Anomaly the sarcasm
@@ryanmccollister1374 elitists? if they are people that don't necessarily like those genres , they aren't elitists
I met this dude in at a show in 2012 at Milwaukee Wi and he’s just as chill as he is in this interview.
This guy crowd surfed to a balcony I was on at a show, we pulled him up, he did a verse and then jumped off the balcony into the crowd and crowdsurfed back to the stage. Amazing frontman, it was a pleasure to see them play here in Oklahoma.
Thy Art is literally Deathcore 101
They're as deathcore as you can get.
I know right?? when I think deathcore i think suicide silence whitechapel and thy art is murder...the fuck
They are the vivid representation of what deathcore should sound like
@@korncows1 THAT is the problem right there...when people think of deathcore they think of fucking Suicide Silence...most real deathcore fans absolutely can't stand that band other than their ONE good album "The Cleansing". When people think of TODAYS deathcore they should think of bands like Shadow of Intent, Aversions Crown, Rings of Saturn, Brand of Sacrifice, Lorna Shore, Enterprise Earth, Hollow Prophet, Shrine of Malice...band's like this. If you go to one of your local deathcore shows with a Suicide Silence shirt on I gaurantee you most people there will think your either a poser or literally just getting into the scene and you just don't know any better yet.
@@RemmyRiffs wow be calm dude, the entire Mitch lucker's trilogy is gold, after that was Just declune
@@RibeiroGames12 I'm calm as hell man, can you see me yelling or hear a demeanor in my voice over a message on the internet? Lol. I also never said they weren't "good"...I gave them their due for The Cleansing, and I loved Mitch...I've been listening to this genre since the beginning of the MySpace deathcore blowup, I've been involved in this shit for year's, so yeah when I see people STILL associate JUST Suicide Silence when someone mentions the genre of Deathcore it bug's me when the genre has progressed SO much further than what we had back then. There are so many people out there that won't even give deathcore a chance these day's because of them still thinking that everything sound's just like Suicide Silence.
CJ, i love you lad!
Nicki Collis ayy G59
They were the band that got me into deathcore, they are also the band I use to measure most other metal bands
I haven't listened to metal in like 7 months but I still love it, TAIM is still my absolute favorite
Haha I see you have their old logo as your picture, even! What have you been listening to the last seven months?
Yes haha, it's a perfect picture because fans recognize it and that's literally the only ones who do
I have no idea what to call the genres, but mostly Pouya, Ghostemane, $uicideBoy$, ZillaKami and the likes of that. Fucking terrible lyrical content, but I like the aggression with the music, hits the spot that metal has stopped hitting. When I'm in the mood for better lyrical content I go for Tom MacDonald instead though :)
Try beatdown n stuff like that, is what I do to "hit that spot". Mental cruelty, Bound in Fear, xKingx, Honest Crooks. Shit's heavy af
+Elrohof not all of their lyrical content is bad. they do have some terrible lyrics in some tracks, but don't undersell them, they have some dope lyrics
Sure, there's some dope lyrics there. But they mostly have lyrics about dope lol.
"We are unique in that we listen to a lot of different music, not just metal-based music."
That's like every other metal band these days.
I hate deathcore. This band definitely has something special, and they aren’t your typical metal band. Glad he’s back.
if you like this band, you don’t hate deathcore lol
Yea like thy art is definitely deathcore
CJ, I really respect your band. such a raw heavy sound. keep doing what your doing, all of you guys are just brilliant. reppin our little island across the globe in the music scene. thankyou so much for your music
And thank YOU for watching. Cheers!
I met CJ last year for a vocal lesson...absolute legend. He is even nicer in person
Epic leap off the balcony tonight in Tulsa...you guys were amazing!
He didnt say he hates the genre really
Initially was going go put it in quotations, as in he hates the term, but I ran out of space in the title. Damn RUclips limits!
hahah no problem! In fact it is a good way to get more views Dx
@@edunogues23 What i understood from the video, is that he doesn't stand people that hate the deathcore tag, like saying that they don't like a certain thing just because of a genre name
I realy realy love their Music as it is. It doesn't matter what Gerne it is. It goes hard, it goes deep. I use to listen a lot of Genres Like from Industrial to Witch House to like whatever. But there's always Band's that drags me back in. I'm so happy that I found them again and love their new work. Hopefully I will see them anytime soon in Germany or Austria or Switzerland.
I am myself and never concerned of what i am not, and i do love the stuff you create as a band.
Big love from the north of Sweden
I thought you were awesome before, now I've just watched this vid you are even more awesome now. I am addicted to Thy Art 🤘
HELL YEAH. He's a really nice bloke, as you saw here.,
Love to see my favorite interview site interview my favorite vocalist! keep going!
Thank you very much for the kind words and ongoing support. Much love!
Hate was just badass
he is such a cool dude dwn to earth, his band is my new favorite band slaves beyond death live from bloodstock 2019 omg i make it a habit to listen to it atleast 10 times a day and the michael jackson tshirt off in the wind ohhhhhhhhhhhh and the moonwalk cj you rule bro happy holidays to you and the band as well as your families from united states
are we all just ignore he said meshugger? lol
It is just his accent haha. Brits and Aussies seem to pronounce stuff that ends in an "a" as a "r" sound.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linking_and_intrusive_R
Yeah because he has an Aussie acent dumbass it's how they pronounce things.
christ grind you wanna point out every time his accent sounds different from your own?
Y'all ruin the fun smh
Such a cool, well articulated dude.
BLOODY AUSSIE M8!!!!!!!!!!!!! HELL YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Love this band
The Adversary is a freaking banger
Love it! The lack of technicality on 'Hate' was a big letdown to me, but I feel they've reached a quality medium of all their strengths on 'Dear Desolation.' Thank you for watching!
Aggressive Tendencies they haven't touched any songs from The Adversary for a couple of years
I've watched a few Instagram livestreams of Taim, and everytime someone asked about the adversary, the whole band was like fuck that album. Guess they aren't really proud about it^^
No Absolution is my favorite Thy Art song to date.
Everytime Ive seen a northern face product I have always thought of CJ.
Now that's branding! They should be paying him.
Aggressive Tendencies They really should. The man deserves it
What a fine young man!
Why disregard The Adversary though? TAIM’s debut album was the heaviest and most technical release they’ve ever put out. Like wtf?
Man, I LOVE that album. Was disappointed by 'Hate' at first because it was such a simplification of their sound. I think they've settled into a pretty good groove now, where they're right between that sound and the 'Hate' sound.
Aggressive Tendencies The Adversary is my favorite fer sure. I loved hate when it came out, it was more simple but that shit was angry. Holy War was okay but weakkkkk as fuck. It sounded like Hate rehashed and watered down. Dear Desolation is pretty good. Better than Holy War but Cj’s vocals aren’t anything impressive to me at this point. He stays like monotone as fuck for the most part. I will forever and always love Infinite Death though. Shit is a cult classic in the deathcore genre.
The adversary is by far their most technical and the fuckin heaviest album by thy art
He acts like they are the only metal guys that listen to other shit. As a musician its a must to listen to other genres
I feel it's a salient point because a lot of deathcore bands seem to be influenced by more deathcore, at least the bad stuff that gave the genre a bad name. Fortunately, TAIM aren't just any old deathcore band. I see your point, but I think in terms of this subgenre it's sort of important!
Absolute legend
Am I the only one who wants them to bring The Adversary's sound back? Let alone Infinite Death even though CJ's on.
no because infinite death personally was generic and if someone wants to listen to that sound they can listen to every other band using the same generic sound :/
Name one album that sounds like Infinite Death. I personally think everything after including Hate sounded generic
I know Brendan sounds like a little whiny child throwing a tantrum lmfao but that album went so hard.
atrocious vocal screams, lows were alright. Constant chugs in a somewhat different pattern doesnt really make it unique to me. I appreciate bands that are changing it up like new thy art and shadow of intent for example are implementing both breakdowns and guitar solos in just about every song. ive always liked solos but songs like the return by shadow of intent really made me really reappreciate them. Ive gotten really bored of bands using the same riffs while i dont want to admit it there is evidence that alot of deathcore bands literally have the same tabs. As much as i love deathcore and old deathcore im enjoying the new deathcore alot more
I don't get why The Adversary always gets dismissed.. it's my favourite I think
Greifvogel top 3 for me
Literally their best record and it constantly gets ignored.
I saw a live stream of the band saying they don't like playing that album anymore because they think it's shit haha
i also hate deathcore but sing in a deathcore band
wat. english?
Stay in this band man you are already so fucking great at SCREAMING 🤘
Best deathcore band ever
They're certainly up there.
god bless him
Yes!!!!
The best!!!🤘🏻🔥
My favorite album by you is Hate
That point he made about people not checking out bands due to the deathcore label is so true, and it can hinder an entire band's career. Job for a Cowboy, an original MySpace deathcore band, never got the time of day from most death metal fans, all because they released ONE deathcore EP. Their debut album had no hints of deathcore on it, and every album afterwards got more and more progressive and technically proficient, but they were always dragged down because of Doom (Entombment... and Knee Deep specifically). It's insane.
I know it's been 4+ years since this video, but it's still relevant, especially when JFAC dropped one of the best technical death metal albums ever, then haven't done anything since - and it's been EIGHT years since Sun Eater.
Wrong. They were labeled death metal from the beginning, get it right
@@stryctn9yne13 I mean, they really weren't lmao especially when their first EP was deathcore.
Don’t care for their music at all but he seems like a cool guy in interviews. Wish he would get over the deathcore thing though. They are deathcore but that doesn’t have to be a bad thing.
His lows are the best
I swear CJ doesn't actually say he hates deathcore. He decries the misappropriation of the label for describing TAIM. That's not the same thing...
You are correct. We ran out of space in the title, so we put "deathcore" in quotations to hopefully imply he hates the term deathcore. Unfortunately, that was lost, so we re-worded the title to say "hates deathcore tag," to reflect that he hates the term/being tagged with it, not the actual genre. Thanks for your input!
CJ is a sweetheart!!! Try art is weed!
Personally Holy War is my favorite album.
They are a great metal band regardless of what sub genre you put them in. They are heavy AF and use a shit ton of breakdowns. Id say you guys fit the deathcore script pretty well. Why is that a bad thing i really dont get it
Ty Avbeilt they should make an album with no breakdowns
Deathcore is a terrible subgenre. Obnoxious vocals, monotonous and ridiculously repetitive guitar riffs, barely noticeable bass, the only good part is the hard hitting, powerful drums; Thy Art Is Murder is definitely an exception along with some others like Carnifex, but as a whole, the genre sucks.
Tommy Green I can listen hundreds of great Deathcore bands. It is a great genre you fake metal head.
The metal scene is filled with stubborn elitist that think only Slayer is good.
OfficialmONEy Who side are you on ?
See you next week cj
I think their most brutal record is still infinite death
Its so raw and its just how deathcore should sound. Everything after that is soft compared to that.
Its the same with many bands that their first records are mostly the heaviest.
Of
Brenden definetly had unique vocals as well. Love Infinite Death, even have the flag on my wall...too bad they refuse to play any of that EP live. I love every TAIM record but Inifinite Death and Hate are my standouts for sure.
Good dude
Gonna put a crew together and go get that damn windbreaker
By calling bands in genres is just easier to find similar sounding music, i would probably never found out about TaiM is i don't search for deathcore on RUclips
I don't not listen to death core because of the name of the subgenre. I do think I prejudge death core bands into sounding a certain way (because it is a subgenre for that reason) and that may cause me to overlook de arch core bands. But I do have a few bands that I love. The art is murder is DEFINITELY one of them. One of the best death core bands imo
I enjoy this band. A bit narrowminded at times but enjoy.
megaman exe it’s very clear you like them.
Vortex Of Metal 😂😂😄
Thank you for watching!
One of my favorite bands
I mean... Thyart is like straight up deathcore tho, like i get theres probably a deeper creative process than "Lets make a deathcore album" but the music literally just sounds like death metal with hardcore breakdowns, like their not doing much different from the other deathcore staples "Suicide Silence, OCEANO, Whitechapel)
CJ cool guy
I really don't give a shit what genre Thy Art falls under. They make good heavy music, just straight up. And I do consider them metal. I think you're just trying to preserve some sort of status you think you have if you say they aren't metal because you call them deathcore. Like come on man. Some of their stuff sounds somewhat generic, sure. But for the most part, they have a pretty distinguishable style, they have soul, they're intense, and they make good music.
Sadly this is no more…
I come from the future, this will not end well....
Hopefully we get a CJ McMahon rejoins Thy Art Is Murder part 2
@@BaldTormenti don't think that this will happen. Sadly
Can someone explain the windbreaker?
He used to always wear that black North Face windbreaker on stage.
People: Messhugah
Cj: Messhugar
He sounds sarcastic lmao
3:45 mahsugar
Aussies, eh?
Deathcore/deathmetal.
Who gives a fuck it’s amazing.
Hell yeah. Genres are made as descriptors, not value judgments based exclusively on the category something (often loosely) fits.
Lars?
calls em like i sees em
unique my arse
Meshuggar.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linking_and_intrusive_R
Dheeraj Govindraju lmao.
Fucking Aussies, mate.
Aggressive Tendencies gotta love em.
I don’t really understand why they’re ignoring their debut album, because Hate was the biggest let down in a terms of brutality and anger (but in other hand, The Adversary is kinda monotonous, while Hate is more versatile)
what is he talking about? all 3 albums are the same genre and style
holy war and hate for the most part but dear desolation was alot more technical and brutal sounding
Frank from emmure started the wind breaker look first.
NO ONE CARES
People don't hate deathcore for being deathcore (unless you're a tool, which there are plenty of already)
People hate deathcore because it's a genre that has been done to death and to begin with : it never was much of an inovating novelty.
Simple.
That's why people don't want shit to do with deathcore, because it means you enjoy "simple" music.
Which isn't band. But it's a reason why a "Prog head" will shit on you and your favorite deathcore band, and guess what :
He's right.
Are you a prog head?!
If it wasn’t for Thy Art Is Murder and Suicide Silence I wouldn’t be a fan of deathcore.
Did you go to that 'The Cleansing' ten year anniversary tour?
Sadly I couldn’t. I wish I could’ve though. The Cleansing sure is an all time classic deathcore record.
Not sure why guys are involved in genres they don't particularly listen to. In the last couple weeks I've seen 3 videos of 3 singers from 3 different genre "defining" bands claiming they don't feel the scene. Archspires Oli hates tech death, code oranges drummer thinks hardcore is soft and cj doesn't like death core. Odd.
If deathcore bands all had long hair on every member people would call them death metal
Kajira, mehshugarr xD
Meshugar
Aussies, eh?
Aggressive Tendencies got to love them though lol
Shadow of intent, spite, infant annihilator is saving deathcore too
CJ Can I smell your hair?
This is one of the stranger comments we've gotten on our videos lately. I back it.
Ok but they’re music isn’t really unique it sounds like any other deathcore band out there, creepy background noises, breakdowns, double bass with the break down, they’re not unique lol, their hate album and the previous one to that have songs that sound the exact same to one another, that being said I feel like if they tried new things they would be a kickass band, this guy has insane vocals and I respect reign of darkness any metal fan has heard that song, this is one of the first bands I ever heard and they got me into metal but they shouldn’t say their unique and all that, they’re not. I wish them the best though great guys from interviews I’ve seen before was lucky enough to see them live, they know how to put on a good show
Here after the faxxot worshipping band kicked him out. Hail CJ
"unique"
Vegan is life !
Listening to different music doesn't make you unique. PLAYING different music makes you unique. If you play deathcore for all your albums, you're not unique despite how much "non-metal music and pop music" you listen too lol. Just own up to being a deathcore icon and be proud because deathcore is fuckin sweet.
Vow of Volition You're damn right VoV
Why can't anyone be proud of being deathcore
Yeah some deathcore bands sound exactly the same as others
But some (like Thy Art is Murder in my opinion)
Add something extra to make their music stand out from standardised 0-0-0-0-0 playing
Thy Art is Murder has the powerful lyrics and some solos
(Btw love your videos my man
I know people like CJ, but I personally think he comes off as a punk. Go ahead bash me in the replies.
re
Dave lombardo...
You saying he looks like Lombardo or?
For some reason he looks like 2012 or so Lombardo (in the thumbnail at least). Must be the beard and jaw structure.
He didn't say anything about himself hating deathcore. He said it is a bummer 'deathcore' has a negative connotation to it so people avoid their band because they are labeled in that genre. Way to further fuel that distaste for the word deathcore Aggressive Tendencies. Click-baity bullshit.
It was originally meant to say "deathcore," as in the term deathcore, but RUclips title character count limits...damn long band names! Will try to revamp the title to make it more clear.
Bring back The Adversary sound. Generic as fuck now.
Love that album.
Love this guy, love the band, but Aggressive Tendencies, if I see one more of these ''let‘s type some shit here in the title, even if it‘s not true, just to get views'', I will report you for misleading!!! He never said anything about hating Deathcore! Just the genre labelling, etc, because they are so much more than just a sub-genre! Be correct or just stop making videos. Because C.J. is a very open minded person when it comes to music and I knew that something about your title won‘t match. And If i was one of those millennials, who just read the title and that‘s it, I would now spread the word around, that CJ McMahon hates deathcore, and other idiots would believe me, because nowadays nobody is doing any research for themselves anymore!!! Do it right or don‘t do it at all!!!
MESSHUGAR...
Money for surgery? What third world country does he live in? What the fakk!
Private Slamface The health system in Australia is utter shite dude.
This is very sad for a country like australia. In germany we would call it an "armutszeugnis".
Private Slamface das gesundheitssystem hier ist trotzdem scheisse.
Try living in the US without insurance and having to go for even a check up. It's ridiculous. My aunt still owes over $3000 out of her pocket and that was with her insurance covering most of it.
Brendan Van Ryn is better!
Joshua Necrophiliac fuck up
ScrubSlayer4 Why are you mad?
Lmao
Joshua Necrophiliac his baby screams aren't shit compared to cj on the adversary, idc about anything else though
Hell no
MEH.