SPIDER-MAN Was WRONG: No Way Home's Real Consequences, EXPLAINED | Marvel Breakdown
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Spider-Man: No Way Hoe paced Peter Parker(?) in multiple ethical and moral dilemmas. And with the benefit of hindsight, we can say that Peter did not act responsibly. He nearly eradicated the entire universe, setting up the vents of Doctor Strange and the Multiverse of Madness.
Peter's reckless actins endangered multiple realities, including the Amazing-verse and the Raimi-verse. If he had just been willing to live with his hardship and rise above it, then he would still have his life. Instead he acted like an irresponsible, entitled brat--and list everything.
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I have a question so Ik that what peter did might not have been the best choice for the universe but in the end he technically did save the universe so do you think that this event could have give him the ability to lift Thor’s hammer and if not do you think that he will eventually be able to lift Thor’s hammer as he learns a little bit more
honestly this iteration of spiderman might genuinely be the most outrageously irresponsible spiderman to have ever existed
I got to say usually I think your videos are awesome but I don't see why Peter gets the entire blame for this doctor strange is the spellcaster not Peter. Doctor Strange should get to blame.
And Peter was right he saved the villains and the universe was saved because he sacrificed the memory of Peter Parker so what are you talking about?????
wow dude - I point out how you had this wrong from the beginning (Peter NEVER went to get himself into college but to fix the mess that fucked it up for his friends + Peter didn't know you could appeal a college rejection (most of us poor people wouldn't have a clue about that - but figures the rich would huh?) ... this is the false base you started this nonsense rant on ... and you DELETE my comment? cuz you can't take criticism or just don't like being wrong?
Pepper could have gotten them all into MIT with a letter of recommendation and scholarships and testified that Mysterio controlled the drones with an Edith playback
THANK YOU!!!
But, stark industries was under investigation so most likely the letter of recommendation would have been null and void, due to controversy
Stark Industries was under the investigation because of EDITH and the mess in London. Pretty sure Pepper wasn't going to take Peter's call or that a letter from her to MIT was going to hold any weight.
THANK YOU THANK YOU
EVEN BETTER
Pepper can help Peter by proving Mysterio wrong with Stark tech
@@MarkHougaard Stark, himself, was still considered a hero, along with all of the Avengers. Hawkeye proves that with the Rogers musical. Lol
I just want to point out that Peter’s decision was heavily influenced by his aunt may. Initially he accepted it wasn’t his problem but had a change of heart at the shelter when Norman Osborn was there
Exactly, at first he didn’t care what happened to them if they went back, until he was influenced by his family/guardian. And then after hearing how they felt when they told each other that they died, it was all convincing
That’s why I didn’t care aunt may died. I was like, this is your fault bye. Can we get more of the 3 Spider-Man together please. Thanks
@@sil7173 your evil
@@punk-piece not really. It can be argued that Aunt May is evil for risking the entire universe for just 5 people.
@@baz1184 Yawn nobody ask
strange said it best “sometimes you forget hes just a kid” So like you expect a 17-18 year old kid to make the correct choice every time? i mean he wanted to bring back the villains he didn’t care at first, but then when his Guardian the person u love and takes care of you, tells you that it’s not the right thing to do, you’ll listen to them and not someone you’ve know for a few years
Right, because this guardian that you love must know better than a person who literally saves the universe on a daily basis. Amazing! And then it’s a much better idea to let this guardian into a confined space with mostly deranged superpowered people and expect her to be absolutely safe
But Thanks was wrong! Population control isn't going to just get better because a villain snapped away half of all life! Of all things it would be worse. And here we are 2022 and no virus letdown.
@@randomnessltd History and science have shown that when a population suffers major loss, the birth rate shoots up.
I'm 17 and my choice wouldn't have gotten my Aunt killed. And I'd imagine a real Spiderman would be a lot more mature than me considering he risk his life on a daily basis
@@bonzoluv ight then be spider man bro idk what to tell you? Like what it’s just a movie to begin with. But he’s still 17 it doesn’t matter if you’re more mature you make dumb mistakes you’ll always make dumb mistakes it’s funny to me that you think you’re perfect and can make every correct decision at 17. Don’t worry life will catch up and you’ll see you don’t have all the answers
All of Peter's idiocy as you have illustrated leads to Aunt May's line about great power. That was the point, his turn to maturity is after this mess. I hope.
Yep. He did mess up big time, but the consequences were Aunt May’s death and his loved ones forgetting him… and now he must learn about the responsibility of being a hero. You gotta sacrifice a lot for the greater good
exactly
Right .. I have a theory that the mcu is the nexus universe that draws inspiration from all universes.. I want to see a 616 version of spidey in the mcu or ultimate Spider-Man perhaps
@@jaycuellin3869 oh yes please! Great theory 👌
Tried to explain this to someone recently here on RUclips in comments of another video. Maybe I’ll send him the link to this vid. Thanks screencrush
"Your weakness is morality. It's choking you!"
- Norman Osborn
This is just another reason why I love this movie so much. It shows the humanity of Peter and his internal moral dilemma. He’s a kid who doesn’t think through his options. His first thought is to erase the memory of the people and as the impulsive kid that he is, that’s what he tries to do. Once the villains came to his universe, we see what truly makes Peter Parker such a great hero. Peter values human life so much that he didn’t even consider the greater consequences, especially after his conversation with May. All that mattered to him were the lives in front of him.
he didn't know he had the option of appealing the rejection ... not that he didn't think it through - I wouldn't know you could do that and most poor people wouldn't cuz we learn real early that the only people that get those choices are rich people
In that movie, he wasn't the hero. He was willing to let trillions of people die in order to maybe save 5 people.
That is 1000x of times worse than Thanos. The moment Strange knew that Peter was willing to do that, he should have gone with lethal force.
It is his duty as the Sorcerer supreme to defend his reality at any cost the fact that he dosn't shows his failure as the Sorcerer Supreme. Not the first time his has failed in his duty as the Sorcerer supreme either.
@@invoke4485 you don't know that ... because his mission was successful you don't know how much good that was spread throughout the multiverse .... it goes both ways and the assumption that it's just best to kill is the very problem with everything in this world ...
@@Xenophrenia And what does any of what you said have to do with my comment... I am sure you didn't even read what I put.
Spiderman knew that not fixing the spell risked destroying their reality and was okay with that risk. That makes him the bad guy. There is no argument there.
It doesn't matter if his mission of fixing 5 bad guys was a success or not my point was that spiderman was willing to let trillions die for 5 bad guys he didn't know could be redeemed.
I didn't say the solution to every problem was to kill it. I said the moment spiderman said he was okay with risking trillions of lives, it was strange's duty as the Sorcerer Supreme to defend his reality at all costs.
And good spread throughout the multiverse has nothing to do with what I said, so not sure why you are bringing it up...
Aunt May was the one who planted the seed of 'helping these bad guys' in Peter's head to begin with. I mean wow Spidey...who should you trust in terms of their judgement of what to do with multiverse individuals; the magical sorcerer who might know just a little bit more about how to properly handle this situation or your aunt who gave you a scolding?
He's supposed to be 17 years old now. But the film reduces him to a child. Everything Peter does is beneath the expected judgement of a 17 year old.
When caught in a lie - you want to to use magic to make other people forget?
When confronted with evil - you want to 'fix' them with magical potions or chemicals.
You will make them take the potions for their own good whether they want them or not.
And they will grateful and become 'good' instead of 'evil' now.
Who knew evil could be so easily cured. lol. (7 year olds know this before they learn better by the time they are 13)
You will wipe peoples minds for their own good whether they want this or not.
All to cover up your lie, about your identity?
This itself is not possibly an immoral and cowardly act - on your part?
The thought that what you are doing is wrong, never occurs to you?
Dr. Strange - the wisest person you know will help you, because he agrees that helping you and your friends get into an elite college is worth the risk of destabilizing the Universe, and there is no ethical concern whatsoever for erasing the memory of everyone in the Universe in order to do it.
Again - if this is written by 13 year old for their 7 year old little brother or sister - then I get it.
But grown-@zz folks watching this without either laughing or cringing at it: I don't get it.
@@summertyme5748 To your first point not everyone matures the same and thinks the exact same as you. Peter was being persecuted for a crime he did not commit even though he was found innocent him and his loved ones are suffering from people wanting to cancel him. He made a mistake like many people do asking Strange. He was under great stress and wasn't thinking straight and no one knows what they would do in this scenario. What would you do if all of your friends and family were the subject of a witch hunt for something that you didn't do and you knew a powerful wizard who could help you, the truth is you don't because thinking and being in the situation are two different things. He saw a way to fix it and being reveled there was a way out of the suffering him and those closest to him were suffering and did not read the fine print and suffered the consequences.
To your second point. He learned that all of these people were suffering from specific conditions where 2 of them are literally being controlled by an alternate personalities caused by serums they took another is being controlled by a rogue AI, the fourth is suffering from mental problems caused by their accident and the fifth tried to save him and wants to be with his kid. They all deserved a second chance and not Peter being the Punisher and sentencing them to death. This is different then the common crook or super villain doing this for money, power, or a twisted crusade which is what everyone else does. Spider-Man is a good and optimistic person and is not someone like Batman who would still likely cure them so they did not die which was the other part of what Peter wanted to do because although he did not legally have to save their lives it was still something morally right.
Peter could not get into any college and since I am assuming you are above the age of 17 and have at least applied from college you should realize how bad it is that you can't get into any College and what that will do for your future. This is not some kids movie where everything can be resolved by a song and dance.
Finally only a 7 year old would not realize that adults (which Peter basically is) can and will still make mistakes and are not perfect people who do absolutely nothing wrong and make no mistakes at all.
@@summertyme5748 lol you must’ve been the smartest 17 year old sheesh. That’s honestly rare, most 17 year olds are starting to get more freedom, partying and enjoying their teenage years making not the greatest of decisions. Plus you talk about magic like it’s make-believe. In the MCU it’s completely reasonable to think you can fix shit with magic.
@@summertyme5748 finally, someone with reasonable thoughts!
@@DeanVVO yeah, right, like every 17 year old goes through being bitten by a radioactive spider, saving people, fighting avengers, going to a different planet, being killed for 5 years, fighting a swarm of aliens and being moronic enough to hand over a dangerous EDITH tech that you received from your father figure and your idol to a random guy you met like 3 days ago. So little experience in his case, I totally understand how he was incapable of thinking like an adult
This whole 3 movie arc is about him challenging his immaturity. Every grown man in this movie revealed just how Spider-boy he really is and always has been.
there is no 3 movies arc, every movie disconsider the previous one
Peter had a wacky idea and went to a trained, educated, medical professional who almost instantly agreed with him and agree to perform the act for him. Honestly, this is 90% on Dr. Strange. Now, a more interesting debate is with Cap with his "we don't trade lives" philosophy in Infinity War, because he is a leader and tactician and his mistake caused half the universe to be destroyed.
Captain America was the worst
Just think if it was real
How about call the army
If war machine and falcon was fighting
I think we have better weapons
I mean besides the witch and vision
You had normal people fighting
I am pretty sure our army is better
I feel you need to consider Peter hasn't 'earned' the Spider-Man name yet with most of what you are saying. This is the point. This whole trilogy has been his big origin story. The Peter at the end of the movie is finally Spider-Man. Part of being Spider-Man is having the losses that now he has. He has been told at this point "With great power comes great responsibility" and he now has a full understanding of it. Up until this everything has worked out for him, even the Thanos incident. At the end of it everyone was saved. Lost Natasha and Gamora but even her we got 'back' in a round about way, will take a movie to catch her up to speed but we'll get there I have no doubt.
What if, the villains were "plucked" from the moment they learned that Peter Parker was Spider-man? Would that be early enough to prevent their deaths but still keep their timelines intact because of the spell's magic?
no, only way the timeline wouldn't be affected is if they still die/are captured (Lizard and Sandman weren't killed), but there isn't enough time for them to do anything differently. If GG returns just before the glider hits him all's fine as he didn't really have time to change anything. Doc Oc would have to come back right when he regained control of his arms to sink the fusion reactor and still sacrifice himself. The biggest issues would be the ones who didn't die. While they wouldn't have information about future events, they now have knowledge that the multiverse is real. They'll continue to live, but they're not the same ppl they were and would change the timeline just be living. Not to mention wasn't the Lizard cured at one point, but re-mutated himself?
Actually yes the Lizard was cured and mutated himself again! Geniuses and life-threatening situations go hand in hand! Isn't that *lovely*?😒
I think so and that’s actually when I figured they were teleported. Doc Ock wasn’t good yet, Goblin had his clean suit before he even fought SM for the last time, and Lizard wasn’t cured yet. It just makes sense that they were pulled at the moment they found out who SM is.
I blame Doctor Strange. Peter’s a kid and very naive as seen in far from home and home coming. Doctor Strange should have known better before casting that spell.
Multiverse of Madness...
Blame Ryan. He's out here super-spreading misinformation, indicting a juvenile.
Exactly he should have asked him if there was anyone he didn't want to forget. If he didn't want his friend,aunt may, and the Avenger's to not forget he should have said that. But instead he started the spell over at least hazzordly so most of the blame is on strange
Oh that's easy 😂😂
Didn’t Strange say how he forgets how young Peter is.
I totally agree that Peter was wrong, but it was never about him getting to MIT. It was about his friends and family suffering for knowing him. I think the phrase “it’s not about me” is what convinced Dr Strange to help.
Right, because it's what Doctor Strange learned in the first movie, The Ancient One told him that it's not about you
Yep, why risk the professional lives of like 5 people when you can mess with the memories and lives of the entire planet, so responsible
@@emilxert It's not just Their "Professional Lives", It's their Lives in General and it not's just them. It's also Pepper Potts and her 5 year old Kid Morgan Stark.
It's their whole live. Can't get into college, their future is ruined, someone could break into their houses and kill them for knowing Spider-Man, they could be stopped from getting any potential future job
And isn't Strange at fault for casting the spell after a strict warning?
Peter is acting like his mentor Tony. Most of the problems in Iron Man, Civil War and the Avengers, were an action, created (through not thinking the ramifications) by Tony (Ultron, stealing of Tech he created, which in turn let villians create weapons, time travel which brought back Thanos). He is just doing, what is mentor taught him.
I disagree. He's acting more like Steve Rogers. It's the same logic Steve used in infinity war. We don't trade lives, even when the universe is at stake.
but who is this Peter you speak of?
So, basically you say Holland is indeed Iron Boy Jr., because he can’t form his own opinions?
@@turnerjazz7872 true, but I mean it more in the line of, he thinks it's a good idea, without thinking what could happen. Saving the villains, memory whipe the people, like Stark thought building Ultron as the salvation for men from alien threats, only for Ultron to come to the conclusion that mankind is its own biggest threat.
@@emilxert sort off. He would have been the most influenced bij Stark, who doesn't have the best track record with making dissicions.
Point of order: given that Green Goblin appears in bright armor in his first appearance, not dusty like it was in his final fight with Tobey, I'd say that he gets sent back to before he ordered the glider to attack Tobey from behind. Exactly when, I do not know. I can't speak for the others, but if Electro is no longer Electro, I don't know that he'd even be about to blow himself up.
Someone already came up with a very valid theory on when it would have been. Wouldn’t be anywhere near his fight with Tobey. Think about it, Otto said it was when he had Peter by the neck, electro speaks about the grid, the green goblin never speaks about his fight with Peter. He was probably taken after he found out Spider-Man’s identity, after the dinner where he noticed the cut, and sometime before the bridge battle. Maybe just before or directly after he sent aunt May to the hospital by bombing her home. Not my theory btw, I just added someone’s theory to my own thoughts
My guess is he is from the point in time before attacking aunt May.
If we consider this, if Electro is still electro when he goes back to his timeline and “healed” would that then prevent that led to the events that caused Gwen Stacy to die? Would the Andrew Garfield’s spider man then have the chance to make things right with Harry Osmond? I’m just thinking of all the possible outcomes of the reality. However if you can’t undo the past like Bruce Banner stated then regardless of what happened in this timeline everything would end up the same and they would all still be dead or whatever happened to them In their timeline still applies. Unlesssssssssss we are to believe that these timelines are happening at the same time. Did the villains get pulled from their moment in time into no ways home. Like was it 2014 in the Tobeys time line and 2014 in Andrew’s and 2014 in the current time line. Are the universes all happening at the same time. And maybe it’s not the past. But that wouldn’t make sense. I don’t know lol this time line jumping is making me spiral.
@@Brystensmom Don't forget that they don't just come from different timelines, but from different universes, so there might be different laws, but that's a can of worms we don't really need to open up. There might be one of those Marvel One Shots to explain things.
Technically this isn't on peter... it's on aunt may, Peter was originally going to send them back but may said no that's not what we do
And now she's dead so.......
True
@@terriusmcswole9318 yup, she was her own unmaking
nope it's on Doctor Strange and he has another death on his hands (Nat, Tony, and now May).
@@Spidervenom23 pure nonsense
I think Osborn did go back right before he died.
Goblin was trying to kill Spider-Man, but Peter (Tobey) dodged the glider and it stabs Goblin instead. Osborn (not Goblin) then tells Peter, "Don't tell Harry."
It's possible he is was pulled from his universe to the MCU during this fight and returned at the same instant he was removed.
The same can be said with doc ock and him deciding to drown the "sun" and sacrificing himself.
I love this fucking theory
I agree it was a power move to go running to his sorcerer mate to fix his problem, but he didn't ask Strange to MIB the whole world. Peter's initial request was only to make it so that Mysterio never outed him.
No time stone anymore there
Spider-Man will do anything to save anyone even if it means sacrificing the rest of the Multiverse.
So basically saving a small circle of people and killing the rest? How is he doing to receive formal higher education if the rest of people are killed?
@@emilxert Aunt May, MJ, and Ned would forever have a target on their back for something that Peter didn't even do. Neither May or MJ Don't have magic or have a Iron Man Style Suit like Pepper does. That's not even counting the fact that Tony's Daughter Morgan who is 5 to 6 years old at the time is now also in Danger because of Tony and Pete Relationship.
@@emilxert it isn't all about getting admission into MIT, it's about making them safe. Spiderman has a small rouge's gallery of villains that will come and hunt his loved ones incl. Tony's since his connection with Peter.
The MIT admission is only the tip of the iceberg of why he wanted to erase peoples memories of him being spiderman.
The few define the many, neglect a few and you will only serve to give the many someone new to follow. Spiderman is a grass-roots hero, he sees the little people and feels the need to save them, even if those "little" people are inherently evil, insane, misguided, or hurting; Spiderman is there to help them, that is his responsibility.
Ultimately, wiping everyone's memory of him is how he has to save everyone; Peter is not stupid and maybe reasoned that sending the villains home was not a permanent fix for the spell he messed up, considering it's not the villains that are driving the spell out of control, it's the knowledge of Peter's identity.
Peter was probably worried more about his loved ones when he decided to rewrite everyone's memories. Doesn't change much, but I don't think he was being entitled about it
It was still the easy way out. Why would Dr Strange agree to help him, remains to be seen...
@@oneleafaday348 Honestly, why wouldn't Strange? We can argue about the ethics of changing peoples brains all day, but from his perspective he was helping re-mask a super hero who was wrongfully globally maligned after helping save half the universe. If Peter hadn't fucked up the spell, people would have forgotten this one thing (only a handful of people cared enough personally for it to mess with their lives in a meaningful way) and just gotten on with their lives
@@techattack and having performed this spell previous many times where nothing wrong happened probably encouraged him to do it. In the end though,i think they were both at fault though in some parts
it seems to me, that him being wrong, is the whole point of the story. Who's the real "bad guy" in this? Sadly, Peter.
aunt may
I think you all just hate Aunt May as a character huh? In the PS4 game she was characterized the same way, in the Ultimate comics she lets multiple heroes live with her and Peter in their house. Never have seen so many people mad a character was characterized correctly
@@pretty_flaco Aunt May isn't to blame for anything, in fact her moral choices are proven to be correct when Peter cures all the villains, the multiverse got damaged because of Peter not thinking about another way to help him and his friends get into college and Dr. Strange who used a dangerous spell without even explaining to Peter how the fuck it worked beforehand.
yeah its kinda the point of the whole responsibility thing. In the end, Peter is the one who takes all the blame for Mysterio's bootyhole behavior. it's so sad. I wish i never saw this movie.
Dr. Strange is the bad guy as well. Peter asked for him to do something with the time-stone. He’s the one who suggested the spell
It's kinda interesting to see Osborn's "Oh." in Spider-Man as the man at the end of No Way Home returning to his reality and realizing his being cured served no purpose and he's about to die bc of his actions as the Goblin. Except I dont think the villains were actually pulled from when they were about to die but from some point after learning Spider-Man is Peter Parker.
I just realized this, Peter changed the spell 5 times, and 5 villains appeared. And when Strange says six times maybe he was hinting at Venom (Eddie Brock)!
Although technically they don't know any Peter Parker
@@deathpie24 are you talking about venom? Because he does learn about Spider-Man at the end of venom 2
@@Kyharra yes, but he doesn't know who spider-man is under the maak
@@deathpie24 I think he does because venom has a hive mind across all multiverses so it'd be easy for them to know that he's Peter Parker because one of the symbioties in the multiverses would know his identity
I’d also like to point out the implications of the final spell at the end of the movie. Does this impact all other universes as well? What if Peter Parker is also forgotten in every other universe? I think a video could be made on just these questions alone.
Wouldnt it have been a better choice to just have doctor strange “implant” a memory? Maybe a memory showing Mysterio being in the wrong instead of Peter?
Well that's a job for leonardo dicaprio
The movie would have been 30 minutes long in that case lol
you mean that characters within the movie acting in a manner making sense both logically as well as in accordance to how they would otherwise, well that would just become a good film wouldn't it
_Brace yourselves you might want to sit down_
_Spider-man's name is J Jonah Jameson_
@@messysnapper xD i cant tell u how long i laughed reading this
the editing is always SO sweet!!
This entire movie is based on Peter's character development, so even though peter did make a lot of dumb decisions in this movie, he became a better person because of it. That makes those decisions worth it imo.
If a lesson is learned then value is earned.
We'll need to wait until the next one to know for sure.
@@deepzone31 no
@@dikiiieykick1734 Yeah people high
how did he developed?
Thank you for calling the movie out! You are one of the few people on the internet who actually - and justly - criticizes this movie, instead of just simping for it...
You can’t blame a kid for wanting a spell done to help his friends and family. You can blame the spellcaster though. This is all stranges fault. Yeah Peter had some learning lessons and definitely made many mistakes BUT STRANGE SHOULD NEVER HAVE CAST THAT SPELL
Or at least explained it to Peter first!!!!!
Peter pucked up , no excuse
Peter wanted the spell to be cast. Strange attempted to cast the spell the way it was supposed to...but Peter kept changing it and making it more complicated. He did not think about the actual repercussions of the spell. He did not think things fully through and thats why the spell didn't work how it was supposed to. If you ask someone for a favor, the least you could do is not make it difficult for the person doing you that favor.
@@ajayg2752 you're acting like a 17 year old would make the best decisions lmao 17 year Olds always Fuck up its life
@@ajayg2752 so strange didn’t puck up? No excuses
Amazing essay. Thanks for doing this. I hope the writers of this movie and the resulting movies had exactly this in mind and didn't just stumble into this terrific ethics/morality lesson.
Super awesome video! Good job dude!
My question is, where did the multiverse begin, in Loki, Spider-Man or dr strange. I need one of these films to tie into Loki to explain this more. No way home they open the multiverse then sent everyone back, but I thought it was already fractured from Loki.
The multiverse ALWAYS existed. As explained in Loki, the TVA was just isolating SOME timelines in order to keep Kang from existing. Every other timeline runs unperturbed in the multiverse. No small action like these ones can create infinite timelines.
The multiverse always existed, the events of Loki weakened the fabric Kang the Wise set up to keep out his conqueror counterpart and had the TVA attempt to maintain, leaving it fragile enough for a multiverse’ll nexus event like this to occur on a larger, canonical scale.
In Loki the female Loki when she killed the chosen one the time lines broke which means that the TVA was not able to just prune Peter and doctor strange or it was suppose to happen that way like the way the avengers messed with the time line.
@@kellyt5579 her name is Sylvie, and his name is The One Who Remains. The TVA couldn't care less about the events in NWH because they don't prune EVERY other timeline, they JUST intervene when those events have the consequence of letting a Kang be born. Every other "nexus event" is irrelevant for the TVA. The multiverse always existed and always will exist.
@@ste-fa-no I get that but have you thought that this could have caused kang to be born. Peter breaks the universe for a moment , changes most of the time lines meaning maybe in one of the universes kang also knew about spiderman being Peter, since he was a scientist he felt the Change of body or like electro when his whole look was changed meaning that he could have experimented and found out that there was a malti-veres . Which means the that the TVA should have pruned Peter.
Also this is a theory 🤔
Iron Man was wrong - he should never have brought Peter into the Sokovia accords debacle and then trusted him with all that tech.
It’s nice seeing these videos. I’m about to go watch it for the second time and with a much better understanding of things
As much as his decision to save the villains at any cost shows ‘that’s just who he is, he helps people no matter what’, aunt may did instil him with a saviour complex. There was absolutely no need to save any of them, and there are too many unknowns to what can go wrong (or end up being pointless like them all returning just to die anyway). I reckon there will be retroactive correction in future marvel movies that make his actions make more sense
Although peter did not know about magic, the multiverse (especially on a grand calculus) and how it all works, one thing I noticed while watching was that since doctor strange mentioned its the villains fate that they did fighting spider man, peter trying to change them and turn them good was also tampering with the multiverse.
That's because everyone's lives and fates are planned , predetermined and predestined and doing/being something that ur not supposed to damaged the fabric of reality. This has a connection to what if ep 4 where strange tried to bring back christine and the ancient one explains to him that it her death was predetermined and bringing her back would damage reality. Basically, its the same case with peter.
Even if Doctor Strange had sent the villains back, he would have created a new timeline anyway. Peter felt kind of guilty that their deaths were by other spiders. Now, with Peter and Mystery forgotten, thanos gained new adherents when Doctor Strange changed the phrase "Mystery was right" to "Thanos was right".
Correct. The fact these villains appeared in the MCU in the first place already created new timelines because they were variants. The past movies happened the way they happened. Nothing about this movie changes that. Strange basically wanted to erase the variants to prevent the existence of new timelines, but because their appearance already changed things, Peter wanted to at least do some good by at least giving them the option to take advantage of their newfound set of choices, and by helping them, emabling them to make better ones. There was nothing wrong with Peter's choice to save them, and Strange was willing to sacrifice human lives in the name of "the greater good," which itself is incredibly questionable. He was wrong for fighting Spider-Man, because as the ending showed, they both got their way in the end, and they wouldn't have even risked their reality being destroyed if they both worked together towards both of their goals. Peter made the wrong call by asking Strange to cast the original spell, but Strange caused the rest of the mess because of his own questionable utilitarian ethics.
Thank you! Thank you… The world needed this so badly!
"With great stupidity, comes grave consequences". Nuff said.
You would think strange would be more responsible to mess with peoples memories. It seems strange still have a lot of learning to do, can’t be the sorcerer supreme doing irresponsible things, go Wong. The ancient one would have never did that and told Peter to deal with it. Both Peter and strange still needs some growing to do.
But Peter says it's NOT about him it's the people he's affected. Not some bratty choice because it's only affecting him.
It’s still the professional lives of 5 people at max and billions of people on Earth, yet we talk about wealthiest circle people acting selfishly towards the rest of us
@@emilxert it would have zero affect on you life besides the fact you wouldn't know Peter=spiderman, that's it, Spiderman would still exist but you don't know who's under the mask. It doesn't change the trajectory YOUR life OR mine, it's so the people closest to him don't pay for his choices: MJ, Ned, Flash, Doc Strange, etc. Just like in the comics it only affects those closest to him and the rest of the world carries on like normal. It'd just my opinion
@@jamesbee3087 well then most problems in their world could have been fixed like that by magic - just make Thanos forget why is he doing what he is doing and boom, no Infinity War
@@emilxert I'm willing to bet you that was one of 14,000,605. Lol, BOOM Infinity War. There's only ONE way remember not 2 not 6 not 200,000 only one.
@@emilxert also Kang the Conqueror and TVA would never allow the timeline to skew that far either. Therefore everything happens precisely as it has. We're off topic but yes we all love marvel no matter how we differ. Thanks
Another comprehensive as hell gem from you, Ryan! Thank you!! 🤘♥️
Love these videos, well-made and thought out. Please bring back cutaways of beavis and butthead laughing at innuendos because it’s the best! I just want my beavis back
Everyone seems to forget that the last spell at the end of the movie was that everyone would forget Peter Parker. What about the other 2 Peter Parkers? The spell should have applied to them as well as they are also Peter Parker.
Ryan posted a video on that. Just go to his channel, it will help you understand a lot, it did for me.
the spells didn’t solve the main issue which is spider man was framed and there still remains the risk his identity will be found again given that every villain he has fought in the Mcu has found his identity out pretty easily.
the people he cares about will be safe but that means he’ll never be able to get close to anyone ever again, or he has to accept the risk of being close to people, or he has to retire.
Literally all of the villains he has fought found out his identity, so he’ll be living a very lonely life. He probably should’ve focused on changing the false accusations rather than his identity being revealed.
In the og Spider-Man trilogy im pretty sure all of his enemies find out his true identity too. I’m not sure about amazing Spider-Man. But Spider-Man isn’t all that good at keeping his identity secret from his enemies.
lol he isn't tho😅
Love your channel.
You're content are always so high quality and with the best edits
With his mistakes I was able to enjoy Garfield
Honestly, I think the whole situation would have been more easily resolved if Doctor Strange were willing to give Spidey about one day. Once he cured doc ock, he would have another genius helping him. Once he cured green goblin, you'd have a third person helping him. It would snowball one he finds the other two Spider-Men. They probably could have fixed it all in an afternoon if they didn't have to figure out how to rig everything up so that it could be transported.
Technically it's not all Peter fault it's Aunt May fault aslo she encourage Peter to cure them or should I say give them 2nd chance, for the sake of that Dialog. Grate power comes with great responsibility
I also noticed that the dynamic between doctor strange and peter was kind of similar to loki and mobius. Like in loki, mobius is like the dad trying to babysit his five year old son loki and loki was not listening to him and instead causing mischief. Peter was doing the same with doctor strange. He tried to explain to peter about how everything works and how what he is trying to do will tamper with reality but he did not listen to him and ended up trapping him in the mirror dimension and doing his own thing
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I love the Tom Holland Spider Man trilogy, I want to say that first. The only gripe I have with it is this version of Spider Man is constantly cleaning up a mess that he made. I've heard the argument about Vulture and Mysterio being Tony's fault but looking back into those movies Spider Man just made it worse. The line "with great power comes great responsibility" doesn't apply in these scenarios. He created the issues so he HAS to fix them. I wish just one of the movies had a Villian and/or a conflict that had no effect on him personally and that he could easily have walked away from but decided to get involved even if it meant risking his own life.
I love every bit of this breakdown. I definitely was the only person in my theater thinking, man, Peter Parker is screwing up
Same! During the movie I was getting annoyed with Peter’s choices.
Mindwiping people's memory was strange's idea..not peter so idk what Screencrush is talking about
Every single Spider-Man story ever
No I was also getting annoying. Almost yelling at the screen like no Peter don’t trust them.
@@sil7173 like no Peter, don't do it!
This movie had to happen to trigger "nexus events".
0. Avengers reversing the snap
1. Wanda in Wandavision
2. Eternals killing Tiamet
3. Now Spider-man and Strange doing this
Kang masterminded them all.
I think his identity being revealed has consequences and threat to Aunt May’s safety, and Peter’s private life, remember the scorpion from Homecoming? And other potential villain? They would have done something to him or to his friends, if Dr.Strange didn’t wipe their memories.
You’re right on target. It’s Peter’s immaturity as a teenager that’s the real core of this movie. Thinking about it, all the Spider-Man movies involved immature decisions by PP, but this one was magnified by Doctor Strange’s I examined egotism. A trait he showed as a surgeon, in his early meetings with the Ancient One, and in his confrontations with Iron Man. He never rid himself of that and that is why the variant Strange in “What If? “ is so believable.
Make a video about the possible new amazing spider man 3 and spider man 4
Please?
You're so good, and you pay attention to details. I have been watching the wrong MCU RUclips channels.
i love how most of the time the villains are right because, "villains are just broken heroes"
To me this is kind of similar with the Eternals. They made the decision to save Earth at the expense of billions of other worlds/beings. How do any of these characters have the right to many such decisions? It's very interesting to me
I think this is what makes the Home series my new favorite because it literally was a Origin story for Spider-Man. What happens when you give a kid powers what does he do. All of the idiocies of Peter is all a part of his growth. The next Series we get to see an older more mature Pete that has to figure it all out by himself. Beautiful story telling.
This growth would have been appropriate had he been 10 years old, not 17 and having gone through all that world breaking stuff prior to FFH
The spell made by Dr Strange was so powerfull that a lot of people can't remeber that the idea of erase the memory of Peter been Spider-Man came from Dr Strange, Peter asked him to turn back the time, Strange was the one Who suggested the whole brain-washing spell.
There is only one thing I am still confused about, when Peter 1 told Dr Strange to cast the last spell, does that affect Tobeys and Andrews universe?
There is another video about that is Ryan's channel where he explains what he thinks happened and it makes a lot of sense. Check it out in his channel.
@@billfisk3323 What's the channel name?
I love the “this person was right” videos. I love them because they present an opposing opinion to that presented in the movie. Eg, Thanos was right but this one makes no sense. He was wrong about what? Being childish and doing the spell? Obviously he was wrong… the movie tells you that… if this was “he was wrong to erase himself at the end” then that’s an interesting topic. This video is just explaining what the plot is already explaining. I love this channel but this video was redundant in my opinion
I agree that the video is redundant, but I still enjoyed it. I believe Ryan's point is Peter was wrong to not listen to Stephen about immediately sending the villains back.
@@MAVERICKDICULOUS yes but we all already know that. The movie made it clear
the film says he was rash in asking for the spell and the consequences of his actions were potentially dire, but it never acknowledges that he was wrong for trying to save them, rather it rewards his actions with both success in 'curing' the bad guys , whereupon they immediately become model citizens, and his sacrifice, which stands as yet another act to prove his heroic status.
It says he is young impulsive and a little naive but never morally questionable. In point of fact you could argue he never actually suffers the consequences but rather that he chooses the consequences. The people his actions affect never get such a choice.
The film never acknowledges his arrogance in action, both in terms of believing he can do something his others selves and universes could not, and that he fully understands why these men are the way they are.
Garfield says, 'max was the sweetest guy', except we all saw that he was going off the deep-end long before the vat of eels . He was a paranoid outsider with an obsessive fixation and inferiority complex. Unless Spidey becomes his best friend i'd be willing to bet your average psychiatrist would be amazed if he was cured and now he knows exactly how to get super powers.
Osbourne might have gone insane, but it happened because he was an arrogant selfish man with an insane lust for power. Conners actions started long before he turned into a lizard, and lets not forget that spiderman himself is a result of a similar fusion of raw experimental science. The previous films all essentially make the point that who you are matters and thats why spidey becomes a hero while others become villains, the science only enhances the flaws within, the man still makes the choices. This film completely contradicts this, while simultaneously doubling down on the idea that spiderman is somehow unique and special, above the others.
Its not a condemnation of spiderman, its a condemnation of the thinking behind the writing. a simplistic and twisted idea of morality, that says on the one hand all life matters while on the other takes away all that makes life matter. The villains have no free will - they exercised that and it led to the fate that Peter has now denied them. And instead of them demonstrating that free will again, the film shows them as essentially nothing but puppets, grateful and obedient to his intent. It also denies the value of all who are injured and killed by their actions, their suffering doesn't matter somehow, their lives, aunt mays life, is somehow acceptable collateral in the fight to save these dangerous criminals, megalomaniacs and murderers, not ironically because they are worth anything, but because spiderman is.
@@bibbybop3825 Okay raimi fanboy,
The film shows us how Peter suffers for his actions, his aunt may dies being killed my green goblin, also you were wrong about the villains they did deserve a second chance,
Since Dr ock helped cure electro
And also you are talking about
A kid who has no experience with magic and the multiverse
And it is spiderman right to do the right thing always
@@bibbybop3825 since off electro never intentionally kill people and it was Dr ock arms that killed the doctor s at the hospital
So curing green goblin of his disorder is bad, they just had issues to solve
Lizard and sandman never even hurt anyone
Very well said
Thank you making this video it's everything I felt after watching this movie
I like this new potential episode format. I love it when my heroes are wrong. Any chance you could prove cap wrong somewhere?
Did aunt May have a problem with them killing Thanos? Because they would have only been risking half the lives that they were risking in No Way Home, had they looked for an injectable cure to stop him from wanting to snap. It's the same thing... Ridiculous.
Obviously Strange made a bad choice to help Peter in the first place. But as soon as Peter hears what will certainly happen if they don't quickly send everyone back before something damages the box, even doing so much as a cartwheel with it in hand becomes an act of egregious recklessness.
He does not get points for anything. It's selfish. Shortsighted. And that goes double for Aunt May. She cannot possibly preach responsibility. It's one of the most irresponsible act in all the MCU. Especially considering that even if he is successful, the best case scenario is a handful of murderous villains won't die and will be better people for their remaining time on an alternate earth. And viewers would see that if instead of the consequence being the destruction of reality, it was literally an atomic bomb that would only nuke the whole planet. But because they keep it vague, the audience can be persuaded to go along.
Thank you. I kinda hated aunt may for trying to "fix" the villains. The whole time in the movie im just confused as to why they would do that, but hey, still a great movie though.
In the comics, Mephisto’s deal with Spider-Man had the loophole that if he subsequently revealed his identity to anyone of his own free will, any preexisting memories would be restored. An example of this is when Peter revealed his identity to the Heroes for Hire, and Jessica Jones remembered Peter from high school, even admitting that he had a crush on him, much to Luke Cages annoyance.
Great video. Keep up the great work. I would like to point out from Peter's perspective, he did just watch this Dr. Strange help defeat Thanos using the time stone. He definitely over estimated his power and hoped a solution could have a less negative impact on the society. This is why With Great Power, Must also come Great responsibility.
facts
fun fact: A bolt of lightning is five times hotter than the sun.
so doc oc will go after a lightening bolt next, so he can have the power of 5 suns within the palm of his hand
It was Dr. Strange’s fault. He’s the adult. He could’ve easily said “No” to Peter.
God bless you for putting an it's always Sunny in Philadelphia clip in I knew I liked you for some reason
So Peter used the same logic Steve Rogers did in infinity war. He wouldn't "trade lives" even to saved three universe and we got the snap aa result. Peter makes the same mistake here... Although I agree with the people blaming May.
Was Spider-Man wrong in No Way Home?
Hi
Hi
Not exactly...
Yes, most of the choices were not his right to make.
well yes , in some ways his choices weren't really his right to make
What other heroes were wrong?
cap in civil war
its been TWO WEEKS
why havent i got any Likes????
doesnt no one want to see a video like that
Scarlet witch, wrong becUse (just watch wandavision lol)
Punisher (netflix) wrong because daredevil was aBle to get the same results without killing, the punisher is suffering from ptsd, and in the court scenes in season two they describe this in detail as "EED" AMD WHILE HE WAS DOING THE RIGHT THING KILLING BAD GUYS, he was doing it for the wrong reasons.
Tony stark in aou, civil war
@@forcewars5691 oh you mean the fact that SWORD either A: Invade Wakanda to took Vision Body or B: Stole Vision from where he was already probably buried in the first place at the compound. Those are the Heroes that were "Right".
@@Spidervenom23 I didn't say they were. By saying Wanda is wrong for trapping an entire town of innocent people against their will forcing them to do things they don't want to do, does not directly insinuate that the people who caused her emotional distress were not also in the wrong.
Not everything is so black and white friend.
Made mistakes against Mysterio, leading to his revelation; made mistakes in his attempts to correct this, leading to May's death and the loss of his identity and friends. Peter is like a gambler (or an alcoholic *cough* Tony Stark *cough) doubling down, thinking that he has control and can get out of anything. He can't. And unlike Tony, he doesn't have the resources of Stark Industries to clean up his messes.
You are totally right - all this as a maguffin to bring in the two older spidermen. Aunt May died because of him. But Strange shouldn't have done the spell in the beginning.
I like how most super heros, would risk the lives of lot of people, in order to save few, peter dont want to let villian die, instead killed countless people under the bridge attack and at the happy house and aunt may. Just to save bad guys. Same rule to batman, he dont kill joker and joker kills 1000s, if joker is killed then those 1000s can be saved for another day. But nope. I dont kill you cause iam a good guy.
The more of Glenn Howerton I see, the more I want him to become Mr fantastic
Watch it’s always sunny in Philadelphia it’s a show Glenn Howerton is on and NO I can’t see him being mr fantastic because in that show he plays a complete dumbass and it’s a pretty long show and I watched all of it so he’s kinda just a comedian actor to me honestly I think John krasinski would make a way better mr fantastic just go watch his most recent films a quiet place part 1 and 2 he’s really good in those
The Gang Fights Dr. Doom
@@swifter1151 I really want Emily Blunt as Susan storm but she gave a statement that she is not interested in joining big franchises hopefully she changes her mind
I think that in order for the multiverse to be a meaningful concept in the MCU, we need events like Sylvie killing Immortus, Peter accidentally importing people into his universe, Strange casting flawed spells, Wanda looking for her children, and on and on. Spider-Man may have been wrong, but it’s the culmination of heroic mistakes that will ultimately make the story of Kang that much greater than Infinity War/Endgame, which looking back was a bit more like a multi-film MacGuffin-fest.
Exactly.
Enjoyed this! I wanted to know wtf Peter was thinking!
You can only understand this film in terms of Sony’s marketing needs
They need to get their lifeline which is SpiderMan Sony Verse - tied to the MCU.
Otherwise they might as well sell the entire company to Disney.
They are DESPERATE.
They know the plot is bullshit. They don’t care. They are laughing and clocking Spidey buck$$$.
I haven’t seen the movie yet, so I don’t know how they address this point, but shouldn’t it be a fairly straightforward matter for him to the prove Mysterio lied?
All the evidence presented were some brief video clips taken out of context and people are well aware that such manipulation is easily possible.
Also, Spider-Man was famous and loved and well known to have assisted in fighting Thanos. He was an Avenger.
Wouldn’t the Avengers vouch for him and explain that Mysterio was a fraud?
I’m curious to see how this is handled in the movie, but I can’t imagine anything they would come up with that would make sense in saying the whole world turned against Spider-Man after he was well on record as being part of the Avengers and fighting Thanos.
And really, why does he even have to go to college?
See the movie And remember he is a teenager
U cant blame Peter, he's a kid, u gotta blame Dr. Strange and Aunt May
Now that Peter Parker is no-one, and presumably all of his existence is erased including the pictures of his face reveal etc, doesn't that make his records disappear too? Like why does he have the MIT admission still if he's truly erased. Does he still have a social security no. A birth certificate etc?
It could be argued that Peter Parker was actually saving the multiverse by returning the villains by not creating new branching timelines, sort of like how the avengers had to return the infinity stones to prevent branching timelines as well.
i also Blame Doctor Strange for a lot of this, Peter Parker is still just a kid , he should've known better to cast that spell, cause he was still just a high school senior, Strange was very unpredictable and not thinking straight.
Yeah, I still don't get this. It goes against everything Strange stood for previously. The will to help Peter was way out of character as was screwing up the spell.
This is stupidity anyways they all would die anyways as in a scene doc ock said while he had his hands on peter and after 2 mins he dies anyways it means they all will die as expected it was just a timepass and fucking sad part of his life
You are right in that the film makes no sense. Even the writers when asked to explain the holes the plot, the overall lack of logic and the childishness of things Peter does and Dr. Strange for (bad writing) reasons helps him do, just say that they wanted to have EMOTIONAL impact and that hopes that future films could explain it.
I credit them for at least not trying to pretend it makes sense. Unlike the Spidey fans here so desperate to make ridiculous excuses.,
If goblin actually succeeds killing Peter (Toby) in this new timeline, does that mean it opens a new future where a new Spider-Man comes up such as Otto Octavius becoming superior Spider-Man? Honestly, I could see Alfred Molina return through the fusion reactor and either play a role in a Spider-Man 4 or amazing Spider-Man
Ryan is dead on with these "Was Right and Was Wrong" videos. The clips from different films and shows are ALWAYS perfectly placed throughout his videos.
Misguided, maybe? Wrong. No. He made what he was a good decision based on his age and experience, and it had drastic consequences, but the world (MCU) keeps moving forward.
Strange was wrong for doing the spell. But Peter, oh Peter was just out of line. And he paid dearly for it. I also feel because he was so eager to have his life fixed that if Strange had said No, he would've found a different extreme solution.
While I agree with you on Peter taking magic for granted and should not have used it to wipe people’s minds, I still blame Norman for ruining everything. Doc. Oc was fixed and electro was this close to being redeemed or cured, so to speak. As soon as Electro had one more line to complete on the arc reactor, that is when Norman has to turn into the Green Goblin. The sandman was harmless. The lizard was the lizard, but it was Norman who had to jeopardize the work he already accomplished.
I do get your point in not understanding the consequences, but like you said he is a teenager who wants to do the right thing. He is still learning what is right and wrong. I am not going to be mad at someone who wants to help people even his enemies.
Narratively speaking, I am glad he made these choices because this was his “with great power comes great responsibility” story.
I think when the villains were cured, they were happy to have at least a chance to know what that feels like before they die, but I can picture new timelines forming when they decide they don’t have to sacrifice themselves or die fighting Spiderman.
It is a love/hate relationship with the multiverse narratively speaking.
Let’s get clear on something Spidey fans will try to confuse.
This spell involves wiping the memory of everyone on the planet against their will.
It is inherently evil.
It is not done with even a sociopath’s lying excuse - of being for their own good.
It’s done to help Peter and his friends at everyone else’s expense.
Peter Parker is not evil or stupid - until now - so there is no way he would ever ask for such an evil scheme.
Dr. Strange was never evil or stupid - until now.
The reason these two characters regress into stupidly is crystal clear: LAZY WRITING.
That was the easiest way to quickly get the end result of nostalgia p0rn - were the Sony + MCU SpiderMen can circle jerk and the kids and arrested adolescents can scream: BEST FILM EVER!
And that is the REAL basis for the film’s popularity. It’s an admittedly brilliant marketing scam. And, a BAD film.
What are u talking about, the spell was to make people forget peter was spiderman not their whole memory
So your point that this is a magical Sam right,
@@dikiiieykick1734 “not their whole memory”
^ Only a little mind rape. And as for Aunt May - she’s only mostly dead.
No wonder having a good lawyer like DareDevil isn’t enough. When you are guilty and a coward who won’t take the consequences of your own actions, all you can do is LIE like a MoFo.
Do you understand ethics at all? It seems like you don’t. The very need of Peter to resolve his problem by lying is a tacit admission that what he is doing…is wrong.
*Lying to the world - for his benefit - is his 1st and last recourse.* This film is cynically dumb, and demands that the audience play along.
yes, thank you!
100% of the blame goes to Dr. Strange. Peter is 17, Strange is sorcerer supreme. Without a conversation, just starts performing a spell of this magnitude. No explanation of what it will do, or how it works.
Nah. Peter was right. He was right because his only claim was that "There has to be another way". And there was. (Warning: rant incoming)
If Strange had at least considered that there was he could have helped and expedited the whole process instead of delaying everything and allowing the situation to escalate. Peter could've worked on the cures for the "bad guys" (I'm using quotation marks because they weren't all bad guys) without having to trap Strange and release them, which led to Norman Osborn ruining the whole thing and then it was only fixed because two other Peters were accidentally brought in and helped. Down the line maybe there will be an argument to be made that it was no accident and that maybe Madame Web influenced that outcome, but for now, for all we know, it was just luck. The tears between universes only started getting seriously dangerous after some time, and everything could have been solved before that if Strange had at least listened. In fact, now that I think of it, didn't they only appear after the magic box was destroyed?
The thing with "objectivity" and facts is that whether their perception is accurate and complete or not is largely dependent on the subjectivity of the perceiver. Strange's subjectivity also got in the way. He took it as dogma that there was no other way, and he was wrong. The problem with Strange has always been a lack of humility and the arrogance to always think he knows what the best course of action is. Sometimes he gets it right, sometimes he gets it wrong. The Time Stone made it easier to make those assessments, but he no longer has it. His intentions were good, but so were Peter's, so it's not a matter of intention. Again, much like in Civil War, No Way Home presents a conflict between utilitarian ethics (Stark and Strange) and deontological ethics (Rogers and Parker). Both movies argue against utilitarian ethics and in favour of deontological ethics. Now, that conflict doesn't have to be an absolutist and false dichotomy, and one can philosophize about either of them being possibly more correct than the other in different situations. Maybe some situations call for utilitarianism, while others call for deontology. Personally, I favor deontological ethics. And clearly, in this case, Doc Strange's utilitarianism just made a bad situation worse. Not that he wouldn't have returned everything to normalcy if he had had his way. He would've. But that normalcy had a few problems that Peter knew he had to at least try to fix, so they could all get a better outcome.
Besides all that, Peter is a teenager. He may be very intelligent and great with science, but he knows nothing about magic, so to put it on him that he's the one that should have thought about the possible consequences of casting that spell is very unfair. He went to someone he got to know as the Sorcerer Supreme, an adult, a doctor, more knowledgeable in magic than anyone else, someone who he witnessed using magic to foresee millions of potential futures and by whose side he fought to save the universe, so it's natural that Peter would trust him. Even worse, Strange used to be a surgeon, so he should be very well aware that before starting any operation there needs to be a conversation with the person undergoing that operation about the procedure, its risks and possible consequences, and how it's supposed to play out. He should have informed that the request should be very specific, and asked if there should be exceptions to it, and he should've taken care of all that beforehand. Strange did none of that and instead went straight into it. Did he assume Peter should have known better? He shouldn't have, because obviously Peter wouldn't know better. Strange was the irresponsible one, not Peter. Peter wasn't even the one who suggested that particular spell he didn't even know was possible or existed, he went in there just thinking about the Time Stone's capabilities and asking questions about what could be done to remedy his situation. Did Wong end up warning them it was dangerous in the movie too or was it just in the trailer? Either way, Wong started out implying it was a bad idea but then ended up just washing his hands of it, like he was convinced by Strange, so what was Peter supposed to think there when two adult master sorcerers pretty much approved or at least not entirely disapproved of casting the spell?
Peter wasn't wrong. And "Thanos was right"? No. Thanos was wrong. Very wrong. Renegade Cut has the best video I've seen explaining why, and I highly recommend it. Just search for "Renegade Cut Thanos was wrong".
So Thanos' idea for population control was *wrong*? Wowee, I had no idea😒
It wasn’t just about him. He also was thinking about the people in his life who’s lives are now ruined because of Mysterio exposing his identity. Not to mention how their lives are now endangered. Not just crowds and paparazzi. But fanatics and super villains. Aunt May, MJ, and Ned would forever have a target on their backs. And look what happened to Happy! Under investigation, possibly losing his job and his freedom. Peter’s actions weren’t the actions of a brat. It wasn’t privileged. It was him desperately trying to fix things for his family and friends. This is one of the most bogus videos you’ve ever made. 💯