Not going to lie it kind of gets to me when people say nasty shit to him because I don't think he deserves it at all. At least he handles it extremely well says a lot about a man that can laugh at himself
I didn't even know a rubber chicken could fly a plane. I guess that's what the computer is for, and the chicken just roosts in the pilot's seat to assuage the passengers.
LA Center controller here, if you want to come see the Wizardry with a behind the scenes tour, we can easily make it happen. Ill be honest tho, not super tech savvy, so not sure best way to further communicate details. Just let me know if interest with a reply here or something!
Right after I finished my Instrument "checkride" I sent a letter to the manager of the Atlanta ARTCC in Hampton Georgia asking if I could visit the facility. This was in the early 1990s. I got a phone call from another person asking when did I want to come. I drove down there one Saturday morning and sat beside the "Commerce" sector controller for almost 3 hours. Several controllers worked that station. I even was allowed to "plugin" just like a controller but was told to be as quiet as possible. I got to see their weather setup and had a supervisor show me how the computer watched the controllers if they were allowing a dangerous collision to happen. Very interesting day I will never forget.
Just tell him about the sweeps, beeps, and the creeps. Also, hopefully Lone Starr won't give you the Raspberry and jam your radar while you're doing it.
Love it. “The only people who don’t make mistakes are in the comment section.” I’m a retired Navy carrier pilot. We all make mistakes. The key is to live through them and learn. ⚓️
As a pharmacist, I loved the comment about we all make mistakes. I check over 100,000 prescriptions a year. We might have one or two errors, which I hate. But own up to it, apologise and normally most people are fine. I can’t be doing with people who make up excuses and pass the blame, just own it.
When you say check, are you referring to a technician fills, and you check over the script and make sure it matches? If so, man id love to be a customer at your pharmacy, if 3 out of that many is all that have been wrong per year. I recieve a weekly dispensed script, and it doesnt matter the pharmacy, they seem to make as many errors as they do right. Miscounts, wrong doses, reprinting past scripts, etc. The t/a is huge in my city due to the massive influx of student visa immigrants in technician programs around my area that barely speak english. Though it usually doesnt matter, the oharmacists themselves seem to be so disconnected that they just "check" the script and approve without really even paying attention - its gotten so bad i started checking over my script by counting pills and checking over doses inside the pharmacy myself...they used to blame it on my doc, though that doesnt happen now that I check inside the pharmacy.
Reminds me, I've only had one super odd pharmacy experience. I had been prescribed a pretty heavy sedative for some severe anxiety and insomnia I was dealing with, and had just started using a new pharmacy at my neighborhood grocery store. I filled my script and something about the guy working the counter just felt off to me. I don't know what it was, but he just gave me a weird feeling. I got into my car and decided to count my pills, and the bottle was 5 short. I went back in, asked to see the manager, told him what happened, said I didn't want the extra pills (it was a one month script and the doc was clear with me that one month was all I would be getting of this drug, and well, 25 was close enough to thirty for me in that case)...and I immediately switched back to my prior pharmacy, where nothing weird ever happened. I don't know if the dude kept his job, if it really was just a simple mistake, but 5 is a pretty "round" number to be off by, and the fact that it was a heavy sedative (temazepam) that was the first prescription I had ever been shorted on... Who knows. I hadn't thought of this story in a long time, but you reminded me of it.
As a 72 yr old woman who doesn't understand half of what you are explaining....but I do enjoy the videos and your personality and attitude. If my granddaughters were flying I would be grateful to have you as their pilot. God bless you.
Don't worry I'm a 34 year old man and I still don't understand half of what he says either but his personality is so good and he does get the gist of it across to us non-pilots :P
Since commenters make no mistakes, I thought I'd suggest an idea for a future episode. You mentioned not knowing the magic that happens on the ATC controllers' side of things. I think it would be interesting if you brought an Air Traffic Controller on for an episode. It might even turn into a few episodes, occasionally. You could get them to talk about what their day is like, what they like and don't like when interacting with pilots, what happens when they recognize a violation, if there are things that make their jobs much easier (technologies, pilot behaviors, etc.), their favorite and best days on the job, handling of a disaster (if one can find one that's willing and free to talk about such an event), etc. They could create their own channel on RUclips, but I think it would work well on your channel as an occasional things.
When the guy in the video says his commenters make no mistakes, I'll take it as truth, despite the sarcasm I had to ignore, since I knew I wouldn't make a mistake in doing so.
@@Superbus753 I think his 4th bars are fake just so people will think he's cool. I'm only joking. I'm super happy for him finally making captain. I wish he had been able to video him getting the promotion.
@@shadowprince4482 yeah i think it is really funny that he never ever said anything on a video that he managed to become captain. The first video he wore that forth stripe i was taken by surprise and went back and checked the video before because i thought i might have missed one video but nope.
@@Superbus753 I totally did too. I watched that exact video and afterwards I was like "wait did he have 4 stripes?" and had to go back and rewatch the video.
Yes Hes like a robot. He doesn't miss any details in these videos. I would have full confidence flying on a plane with Kelsey at the helm. That is, if he were an actual pilot/ captain/ airplane driver
I’m an Avionics Tech and remember when TCAS came out and I loved practicing in the cockpit in the hanger with the ramp test set. I could simulate other aircraft coming in and you would hear the “Traffic Traffic”, “Descend” etc. it would also say “Increase Descent” if it started getting close. One time we took delivery of a brand new ATR-72 from France and were checking it out before revenue flights and I found the TCAS advisories were backwards! In other words when I brought in a simulated aircraft from above the TCAS told me to climb. I found the top and bottom TCAS antenna cables were swapped at the back of the radio rack! That was in Marquette MI at American Eagle back in the mid 90’s or so.
“In heaven, the food is French, the customer service is British and the cars are German. In hell, the food is British, the customer service is German and the cars (and planes) are French,”
Kelsey, I greatly admire your honesty and forthrightness. My father was a WWII Navy flight instructor, and continued to teach in Civil Aviation after the war. He worked for United Air Lines in engineering. Needless to say, he was very good pilot, flight instructor, and had many students who wanted him as their instructor. My Dad had the reputation. that when he gave you the go ahead to get your license, you were well qualified. As a result, there was a waiting list of folks wanting him to be their instructor. One of his students went on to become the head test pilot for United. If he were here today, he'd be a fan of yours as am I. I appreciate your honesty and humor, and would never think twice to fly with you. You are much like him.
I love, LOVE, how you make mistakes being apart of being human. Showcasing your first checkride as a failure and not afraid to admit it. Helps us little guys out, to not be so intimidated by it.
I”m 70 and have Parkinson’s Disease. I flew GA (VFR only) for 18 years. I miss it. I so enjoy your videos and I”m grateful that you take the time to create such informative content. I wish I had you to listen to when I was flying. Thank you!
I busted a class C airspace on my private pilot check ride. I still passed the checkride. Just having the proper attitutde, realizing the mistake immediately and taking immediate action to correct the error made the difference.
Yeah, my first flight test the examiner was kinda stern and tense--I found out later I was like her 4th test ever. She did my MEL-IA test about 4 years later and was totally laid back and mellow. Failing a checkride for cutting 100 feet into the Class B, as shown on a handheld GPS, when it's impossible to tell on the chart or from the instruments in the plane that you did it? Woof. I'm never taking another checkride from that guy if I can help it. Examiner never even should have mentioned it.
It amazes me that people leave nasty comments, especially when someone is as kind as Kelsey. I only sub to people who are positive, and Kelsey is most definitely that.
Hi Captain Kelsey, as a new student pilot, I was told to be careful with altitude and direction to avoid entering the wrong airspace. Your video made it so much clearer and showed how it affects others. Thanks for the great content! I always laugh and learn with your videos. One of the best feelings!
It’s just not Sunday without the “not really”a Captain Kelsey. Love that you can handle anything as long as free breakfast is served and all the best snacks are close by. Thank you for showing what positivity can bring. Until next time 😊
LOL! Stella didn't look "scared", she looked...uh...let's call it "apprehensive". Lots of people are that way in a small plane. She wasn't screaming for you to take her back to the airport immediately. She trust you, as well she should. Good explanation! I would have added "drawing not to scale", as it looked like they barely missed each other. (A minor issue!) As a former military controller, I can tell you that ATC can be forgiving, and often just for the reasons Kelsey mentioned. (Plus, sometimes they just don't want to do the paperwork, and figure their verbal reprimand is sufficient.) Also: I've not met a single pilot who's never made a mistake while flying. Just a few liars who say they haven't. Good on Kelsey for telling us about his issue from long ago.
Beside being impressed with your content, I'm also impressed with your time management. Doing your full time job, filming and editing these videos has to take enormous amounts of time. I'd need to raise my time management game! P.S., glad you simply roll your eyes at the trolls who vomit their unhappiness in life in the comments.
Kelsey is spot on to owning up to your mistakes. It’s a big deal when you get the phone number. How you compose yourself in that conversation will often determine if any action is taken. Lot’s of folks get the dreaded phone number. As Kelsey says, we all make mistakes in flying.
The worst is a bollocking over the radio from ATC towards an aviator. Of course be firm, very firm. To heighten the pilot’s anxiety isn’t at all helpful. Oh, another of my dislikes is an air law tutorial over the R/T. Good transactional analysis Adult to Adult communication is just so much more helpful. From South Africa, take care all.
You are a 747 pilot, my dad was a 747 pilot. I like watching your videos. You have taught me a lot. I love watching your videos. You're very interesting to watch
Another great story thanks for sharing especially the part about your busted checkride. I see a lot of upcoming GA pilots concerned that if they fail a single checkride their aviation career will be over. You have obviously dispelled that myth. Keep up the videos and hope to cross path some day.
I absolutely love how you break down what happens. I have been addicted to ATC coms with pilots and love to hear the breakdown of what it all means. Thank you for pulling back the curtain on this. Keep it blue side up!! Thanks
I actually fly N53440. It belongs to the flying club I am a member of. N53440 has a GTN 750 which is great for situational awareness including GPS and TCAS. It actually shows the LAX Bravo airspace on the map. My guess is the guy either didn’t know how to use it, couldn’t be bothered or was too confused or distracted. Situational awareness around Hawthorne airport is crucial for GA aircraft flying VFR. You really have to know local landmarks and procedures. Needless to say, the lost pilot is not a member of the club anymore. Thanks for all you do Kelce. 🙏
Having a positive attitude is life changing. I can see how in aviation it is considered almost critical, as the ability to accept responsibility, learn from mistakes and focus on the task at hand instead of getting caught up in negative emotions can mean the difference between life or death for you or others in the air or on the ground. However that same attitude in mundane situations, from buying groceries to dealing with issues at work, can smoothen out most negative interactions that might arise, resolving them faster and with a better long-term outcome for everyone involved. Kelsey is a great example of a positive mindset, having almost a childlike approach in accepting if he doesn't know something or if he makes a mistake, and simply focusing on the reality of the thing and making improvements, without blaming himself or others, and without letting it distract or discourage him. Thanks for that!
SCT/LAX controller here; we can’t issue control instructions inside another’s airspace. Doing that could make things worse, since we don’t know what is in that airspace. Unless we actually see an immediate conflict.
I failed to also mention that HHR controllers are not trained or certified as a radar controller, they can’t issue Radar control instructions. That takes a lot more training. Adding to that, their radar display is not certified to use to control aircraft. It’s not as accurate as our scopes. Theirs is used as a resource for general location of incoming planes. Anyway just info on why the HHR controller didn’t tell the pilot what to do; he did exactly what he is supposed to do.
@@cherylkirkpatrick7094 Question - clearly after the IDENT the HHR controller had roughly an idea where the pilot was (possibly due a LAX notification of a beta violation?). Couldn't HHR have told them to reverse course without giving a magnetic heading? That would've at least minimized the immediate danger and interference. Of course if the pilot would have ignored it that would cost those few extra seconds, but at least any legitimate pilot would then know where to go straight away instead of just beta airspace violation.
@@MBSteinNL this is a good question. The HHR scope would show the ident, it sort of flashes on and off a few times. They can see the primary targets, at a distance around their airport. I’m not sure if they can now see the ADS-B info on the acft or not. But for sure he can see the ident at that location. Besides the previously explained radar usage limitation, and the legality of it, the controller has not been tracking that aircraft and has no idea of its heading. He could possibly turn the single engine airplane right into the Airbus. In a situation as this, it comes down to controller judgement given the info that he knows. I think I would have done the same as him in this situation. Although I’m answering this not knowing if the incident occurred before or after the HHR exchange, so am answering just with the facts that I know.
@RetreadPhoto exactly correct! Not knowing the exact geographical location of the smaller acft, I am guessing based on the altitudes, that he was 10-12 east of LAX. The OM (Lima in this case) from rwy 25L. The target should have been seen on radar by the Approach controller. I do agree based on what we know here, that the controller should have called the traffic, and that the TCAS is the last resort.
I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of very competent pilots but watching Kelsey over years I would feel super safe flying anywhere, in any conditions, in any plane with him. Imho, you can have the skills, but it's the temperament that makes a good pilot.
You fly them, and I fix them/keep them safe to the best of my ability. I love and share your attitude, sense of humor, honesty, and passion! You are the type of pilot i LOVE working with! I love your videos, and have been watching for years. We all work together to keep this industry safe and constantly improving. Very proud of what I do for a living, and proud to have folks like you flying these things!
Oh, this brings back memories. My dad rented a Cessna 172 in 1976 to visit my sister in Cornelia, GA. We stayed too long. Dad was rated VFR. Our destination was PDK in Chamblee, suburb of Atlanta, GA. Dad's plane had a terrible speaker fuzzing out all over the place! He got lost over Atlanta. At night. He thought he had PDK and he had Stone Mountain, 'way to the SE and all the way across Atlanta! He finally found a beacon and we got to PDK, and both of us struggled to make out what the traffic controller was saying! Finally, we landed. When the fella gassed the plane up, he says, "Man, you were flying on fumes! I put more gas in this plane than it was technically supposed to hold!" I knew it was close, but then we knew *how* close! I was 18. I didn't know much, but when it got dark, it was a white-knuckle flight all the way from there. I stayed absolutely silent. ATL is to the south of Atlanta, so at least we weren't close to that, but I had visions of us trying to land on the Interstate.
Nobody ever remembers the Cessna that clipped the Aeromexico flight in 1986 and killed about 100 people. The only blessing was that it was a Sunday of Labor Day weekend and many of the residents in the neighborhood of Cerritos, CA where the jet demolished were either out of town, or were at church, and the students who would have normally been in the schoolyard, where the Cessna spiraled down, were not in school that day or the next. Same situation, same results. There was no TCAS yet and a lost amateur pilot flew through LAX airspace flying over the wrong freeway using visual flight plans in an area where he was unfamiliar. The ATC was busy scolding another pilot who was showboating over Orange County, also in LAX airspace, the ATC lost his concentration and missed the Cessna and Aeromexico flight converging over my old hometown.
I feel terrible for that atc controller having that on his conscience for the rest of his life. Yes he made a terrible mistake but it sounds like pilots were being especially reckless, perhaps because it was a holiday, so perhaps his mental load was taxed to capacity like you said dealing with the first guys (extremely dangerous, presumably) showboating.
@@ennui7778 True, the ATC did get distracted by the showboat and was so distraught that he left the job for an extended period of time for counseling, then he came back to the job and quit halfway through his first day back. As an ATC, you have to keep your aircraft out of trouble, but spending that much time on a showboat who drifted into restricted airspace cost about 100 people their lives. The best thing to do would have been to notify the showboat of his violation and quickly give him a heading. If he argues, call over a superior and hand that pilot off. You can't leave thousands of lives in limbo for several minutes because one man violates restricted airspace.
Hmmm 1986, five years after "saint" Reagan fired almost 12,000 air traffic controllers. How much brain trust was lost in that little stunt? How much did it have to do with this crash? The Reagan era began the assault on American workers. Demolition of unions were just one of thousands of straws that broke working class backs. Unfortunately evaporating prosperity for Americans has spread like a cancer into almost all job sectors. "Run it lean & MEAN!" is the cause for so much American dysfunction. During the 2017 Tax cut propaganda push, ATT promised to add 7,000 jobs. Instead, they cut 42,000 jobs, handed out lavish exec. compensation, binged on stock buybacks and profiteered even more egregiously on the American consumer. Then blamed Biden for inflation! Every homeless encampment should be named with the preface "Reagan." Kinda like "Hoovervilles" of the 30's. Welcome to the "Reagan Memorial Downtown San Jose Homeless Camp!"
Even with TCAS planes have still collided midair. Specifically the crash between a DHL and a BAL passenger, where the DHL obeyed the TCAS while the BAL followed instructions from ATC. Both dived and collided killing everyone. Some people may remember this as the one where the Russian dad hunted down the ATC controller and murdered him. There was also a near miss between 2 Japan Airlines aircraft. One obeyed TCAS the other followed ATC instructions and both dived, the difference being in daylight the flight following ATC instructions saw the other aircraft and was able to avoid it. Injuries were indeed caused by passengers and flight attendants hitting the ceiling along with the drink carts.
Reminds me of when I first started flying and realized that the airspace in my area was wonderfully uncomplicated. It was a real incentive to get out there. I'm like you, I don't fly into crowded airspace, takes the fun right out of it.
I love his sense of humor, too! Something tells me I'd bet he could tell one hell of a good joke and I laugh my ass off watching his videos......and where in the hell on that map were the boundaries for the lax airport??
I flew into the Hawthorne airport from Phoenix on a student pilot solo flight. I couldn't believe how tight that airspace was next to the Hawthorn airport and studied it, including reviewing aerial photos to have a visual ground reference to class bravo airspace boundaries. It all worked out!
You're so awesome. I'm sorry you have to deal with haters. You're making videos that are extremely helpful and shouldn't have to worry about folks telling you how to do your content. You always stay humble. Kudos! Love your work.
Man this guy explains things so well, so good at making sure the people watching actually understand what he means. Thank you for properly educating people on aviation, and not spreading misinformation!
Kelsey, you have to remember, that some people are just unhappy, so they try to push others down. I LOVE YOUR CONTENT! You seem like a good pilot and human❤
On a totally different subject... Have you ever flown horses? Tex Sutton used to fly horses - particularly thoroughbred racehorses - in a converted 727 he named "Air Horse One." After Tex died and the leasing company declined to renew the lease on the aircraft, the company stayed in business as a freight forwarder booking horses onto to regularly scheduled cargo flights from FedEx and DHL. This year I went to the Dubai World Cup, and the Dubai Racing Authority paid the round trip transportation cost for all horses in the nine races from their home track to Dubai. Rumor has it that some of the lucky horses got to fly Emirates.
Cleaning a cargo plane after a horse flight is like cleaning a crime scene. Horse urin is acidic and gets caught in the planes under structure. It requires a Lot of cleaning.
Kelsey, obviously a great attitude. Anyone who creeps around the comment section with nit picky BS is missing something serious in their own lives and are probably jealous. Great Vids, You break down complicated concepts so lay people can actually understand which is a feat in itself. Congrats and continued success in all you endeavor to achieve. (27 Year Military Aviation Veteran).
Early 70's, I 'm 18 or 19 years old flying from home base Van Nuys to unfamiliar Hawthorne....drifted in close enough to see the big red W and little heads in the windows of a Western Airlines on final. I exclaimed something and immediately turned about. Nothing was said to me and I didn't say anything either. Good lesson. Never went back to Hawthorne though.
I miss your videos, I love your personality and sense of humor and how you explain everything in an easy to understand way. I know you are very busy but I wish you could post weekly videos, even if it is just you taking off and landing or places you go.
I enjoyed this video, and especially your humor! I once violate a restricted area a tiny bit, on my first pp vfr cross county. Between WJF and DAG. Fortunately I didn’t get violated. As I was cross checking visual navigation points, and looking at the sectional, is when I realized it. I turned south immediately to exit. The funny part is at that time I was a controller at Los Angeles Center, and worked that exact airspace! It was a stupid duh moment.
@@MrXtachx right?! Lol, no I transferred down to SoCal TRACON and worked LAX Approach area,, but am now retired. The FAA won’t let us talk to airplanes anymore once we turn 56. They force us to retire. I miss it though, best job ever! On my instrument check ride, I completely blubbered my way through the first transmission to ATC. I remember that the examiner, knowing that I was a controller was laughing how I butchered the request to ATC.
Holy moley Kelsey. A Bravo bust on your PPL checkride! Magnificent story for all of us who have experienced an FAA do over. Never give up and learn from mistakes. Super like your channel, bud.
Dear Kelsey, just to make you envious: recent Airbus jets like A380, A350 and current A320 NEO have got an automated TCAS RA follow function integrated into their AP/FD. So in case of a RA, the bus driver will just smile and watch the AP doing the rest.
Let's hope they've had a few decades and some non-fatal incidents so they've updated that software a few times. "Automation" isn't always better than manual.
I believe Hawthorne is a contract VFR towered airport so the controller is "NOT" allowed to issue radar vectors but suggesting an immediate heading to exit the airspace might had been safer. A VFR tower controller is typically not radar certified so they can't legally issue heading instructions.
Came for the air drama and stayed bc of the great attitude of the host! You make aviation interesting and you are a great teacher. I don’t fly( too chicken) but love learning the aviation principles bc my children fly often. My great uncle was the Gen. Mervin Gross, the first Commandant of the Army Air Force Institute of Technology. Unfortunately, he was piloting a P-80 jet which was “speedy” for that era and crashed in 1946 after flying low for a few seconds over the town according to the sheriff. He flew it often between AAF educational institutions. Thanks for your teaching sessions!
I think that in this day and age too many pilots have an over reliance on electronics in the cockpit and the old fashioned reading the chart skills have gotten rusty. That being said, I think this is one of those times having a GPS or even just an iPad with Foreflight would have saved this pilot some heartache. It's funny that you mentioned the LAX special corridor. Josh over at the YT channel Aviation 101 just did a series on flying SoCal and went into detail on the special LAX corridor that allows for pilots to fly directly through the Bravo without contacting ATC. Pretty interesting actually. Love your content Captain Kelsey. Keep it up!
@@elina35462 I think that Kelsey mentioned something about comments with links getting removed, so I'm not sure about posted the link here. However, if you just type in "Aviation 101" in the YT search bar, the channel should come up. The latest 3 or 4 videos are about him and his fiance flying out to Catalina Island and back. The videography that he does on his channel is really good, but he always throws in tips and lessons about flying which are quite benficial.
Fortunately getting to Catalina for me is easy while avoiding airspace. But I have only been there with my CFI (that was my day dual XC!). I'll go back and bring my girlfriend once I feel a bit more comfortable., maybe this fall.
Every week you seem to get more and more annoyed with the Pedantic Comments. I think you’ve learnt to deal with the Rude People. Keep Going Kelsey. We appreciate you 🇬🇧
Thankx for sharing the check ride story! Sez a lot..I ran the stop sign at DMV on my 1st drivers license attempt...Happens to the best of us..Long time subscriber & love your stuff. OBTW, congrats on the 4th bar & love to hear the story...Fly safe.
0:15 ... I was a kid when this happened. My mom had just dropped my dad off at the wharf where the Navy ship was preparing to set to sea and I decided to go along with them to see the ship up close and wave goodbye to Dad. Mom hated (still does) taking the freeway, so we were driving through the city streets. As we were stopped at a stoplight, we saw this PSA airliner in flames nosediving to the ground. We watched in horror as the jet was clearly not going to make it and then the plane hit the ground. The explosion rocked the car we were in as it crashed only a couple blocks from where we were stopped. Had the red light not been as long as it was, or if it were green, we would have been much closer to where it hit. The crazy thing is, that was the second time I saw a plane crash before the age of 10, and not the last time I watched a plane as it crashed. ... and people wonder why I don't fully trust air travel. Yes, I know the statistics and air travel is statistically safer, but if a plane is hit, the passengers are goners. If my car is hit, I come to a stop, I don't freefall out of the sky.
i held the flashlight for my dad so heard it all--he died of alcoholism when i was 16--went on to football champ,star player in hi school,then on UCLA--my mom was drunk in the stands,friends mom drove her home,i bailed her out of jail 3 times before i was 20 for dui--i never lived one day like them or even one hour--i am 72,might start drinking one day...btw--not one time did i ever hear good job son,not from parents,friends or bros,sisters,actually the opposite from sons,ex wife, bros and sisters who had their own substance problems,alcohol..beam me up scotty...
Kelsey, you earned a free breakfast, and bag of snacks for this video. I love your attitude. I earned my Private Pilot License at VGT, while stationed at Nellis AFB. On VFR arrivals from the north & west ATC would advise to report Lone Mountain. The 7 mile straight in final in a 172 was always fun. Keep your airspeed up.
Kelsey, Im a SoCal GA guy and really appreciate your videos! VFR in that airspace will definitely keep you on your toes. As far as negative comments, I'm sensing some animosity toward meatloaf, and I can't let that go without calling you on it.
In early April, I was on a plane cleared for takeoff at Burbank airport and were in normal position but weren’t taking off. Several planes were backed up that we could see. I thought something was wrong with our plane but then the pilot came on and told us they’re trying to get Dr. Jones out of airspace.
funny..dr jones landed later at Independece,Ca in a low level clouds,almost fog, coming over the trees at 2/ 5 ft above--when i talked to him he thought he landed at Lone Pine!!--his two nurses with him asked me to take them to bus pick up for trip back to LA --just shook my head,Doc admitted nothing...dead man flying
Glad everything went well for "Dr. Jones." But this reminds me of two incidents involving "MD's (not PhD's) who are also pilots." One got lost and disoriented over San Diego (I believe) trying to fly into the airport stemming from not being able to execute the turn to line up with the runway that the ATC asked him to perform. The other, flying out of KIWA (roughly my back yard... well my daughter's.) at night flew into a mountain. Neither survived.
Hey, not all of us doctors are jerks. I fly a 1973 cessna 182, and because I'm a doctor I don't fly a bonanza. I am prepared, courteous, fairly competent, and not egotistical. I am instrument rated and I stick to very reasonable minimums. I live by one overriding rule; don't stall the airplane. My flight instructor for my ppl initially didn't believe I was a doctor because I wasn't macho or arrogant and I didn't claim to know everything. You think doctors are bad? Try lawyers.
@@frankrosenbloom Hehehe... Um... Having worked for a large healthcare company for almost 30 years and having to deal with doctors in different capacities, I want to call BS on all of that. For starters, I did IT Service Desk (The people you call when you break your computer or jam the printer) for 19 of those. I now put together reports off the credentialing software for the Credentialing team. But I won't disagree about the lawyer thing. :D
I've been a passenger on many flights into major airports. A few, I sat in the jump seat. Easy to see why this was important. I was in the seat (before TCAS) & ATC advised of a small plane crossing our glideslope. We spotted the plane about 1 mile away. I could see the relief on the pilots' faces. Good video
C172 pilot here. I've come about as close as you can get to busting bravo twice. Once ATC forgot about me, told me to fly runway heading, and I was JUST about out of their class D and about to bust into the bravo. Fortunately I saw what was about to happen and descended from 2500 to 2200 to get under the 2300 foot shelf before getting the "make a left 180 turn immediately, expedite" call on the radio. Second time I was climbing out from under the bravo shelf and ATC advised me of police drone activity in the area (and it was at night). I was so busy looking for the drone that I was at 3950 feet (under a 4000 foot shelf) and descended just in time. Both those times I would have busted bravo without an iPad showing me the way. It's easy to do. I imagine it will happen at some point in my flying career. I will be contrite, apologize, and hopefully go on my merry way.
Thanks Kelsey. Your “down to earth”, self deprecating approach in presenting the videos enables all of us mortals to learn and appreciate the topic of the day.
Great video. It reminded me of one of my unofficial flying lessons in a Citabria flying out of Monterey Regional in Calif and while I was doing my slip down for a touch and go (no flaps or slats), I glanced behind us and saw this big PSA 727 smile running up our butts. Granted there must have been more than enough separation as the tower did not say no to the touch and go and things do appear larger in the rear view, but it sure gave me a couple seconds of pucker. This was in '78 and I don't think there were cordoned off areas for commercial flights around regional airports yet. Who knows, maybe your aunt was working that flight...
I wonder if that’s the same Citabria I flew in the early’80s. There weren’t many around SoCal. I wish I could remember the tail numbers. The one I flew later crashed into the Santa Susana pass during a low ceiling. Killing the husband and wife who owned it. My ex brother in law, the one who sold it to them, tried to get the salvage rights and make it airworthy again. But, there wasn’t enough left.
@@38Flyer Being an acrobatic plane(+7,-5g) it has excellent visibility. Yes, you can see behind you if you crane your neck far enough. Though, I wouldn’t recommend it!
@@38Flyer Small craft do have large rear view mirrors on the sides and one above the windshield, at least the Cessna 172's and [Cessna 2 seaters] I rode in several times in the 70's and 80s did.
Kelsey, love your very entertaining show! Keep up the good work! So the Hawthorne Tower Controller (HTC) is talking to the Cessna. HTC does not control Bravo space, does not have the authority to give any plane flying in Bravo a vector (no matter how well meaning) especially because HTC does NOT have the immediate situational awareness of ALL activity in the Bravo space. All HTC can legally and ethically do is to tell the Cessna to immediately contact the ATC in control of Bravo. Only the Bravo ATC controller has the situational awareness to give a SAFE and legal vector to the errant Cessna. You are probably confused, because when you have busted Bravo space, the Bravo ATC was the controller to bust you and could also give you an immediate vector back to safety.
I learned to fly out of HHR in the 70s. I always contacted HHR over Alondra park. Never flew into Compton since we have so many other interesting airports go fly to. My favorites where Catalina and Chino.
In Australia, a red-head is often called "Blue" or "Bluey." When Kelsey signs off with his "Keep the blue side up," for me, it insinuates that Kelsey wants to remain upright.
Remember Crocodile Dundee? What about Men at Work? Do you frequently put another shrimp on the "barbie"? Remember how criminals colonized the place, and kicked the aborigines off their land? Australian culture is really the best.
I recall that crash in ‘78. So scary. Didn’t want to fly for quite a while. Separate story…. Had a celebratory lunch at the LAX restaurant in the sky in ‘62… I was seven. Gave me food poisoning….never went back 😂
I just passed my checkride, but it was almost a fail with one maneuver. Been keeping my chin up (I mean I did pass afterall!), but this video and your comments about attitude were exactly what I needed to see. Pursuing this career is intimidating, and the learning curve is steep. Staying calm and moving on to the next step is all you can do, and this was a great reminder of that. Keep at it Captain!
I was an ASC for a few years back in the 90’s. I used to hear pilots with thousands of hours (Military & or Airlines) say “Doesn’t matter how good you are…..you will probably break some FAR or another every time you fly.” True. Thanks for another great vid dude!
I used to fly around that area in the’80s. We stayed away from that field for just this very reason. Getting violated before you solo doesn’t score points with your FAA Examiner!
Compton native, born and raised. I couldn’t help but laugh when you said you had no idea Compton had an airport since most people won’t, however, going up I spent a lot of time there. The airport also host an aeronautical museum that has some great youth programs, and I used to love spending my summers there playing around with the plane simulator (I would *not* make a good pilot lol).
My wife grew up in Compton and my in laws live there, we’ve been to the museum and I love that they have all the helicopters with the doors open so I can look at the interior in detail
Kelsey, I enjoy your videos mainly because I’m an aviation geek and look forward to hearing all of your adventures and stories of your travels. You have the perfect demeanor to make videos and fly big jets!
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Kelsey shutting down the haters in the comments is always a treat 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Hello i came here to hate on kelsey for no reason whatsoever!
Not going to lie it kind of gets to me when people say nasty shit to him because I don't think he deserves it at all. At least he handles it extremely well says a lot about a man that can laugh at himself
I didn't even know a rubber chicken could fly a plane. I guess that's what the computer is for, and the chicken just roosts in the pilot's seat to assuage the passengers.
@Kjtravels40 Salty, snarky Kelsey is my favorite Kelsey.
Hi Kelsey, the only links that can appear in a YT comment is a link to another YT video, channel or playlist…
LA Center controller here, if you want to come see the Wizardry with a behind the scenes tour, we can easily make it happen. Ill be honest tho, not super tech savvy, so not sure best way to further communicate details. Just let me know if interest with a reply here or something!
It would be a great video - I'm sure both Kelsey and viewers would really enjoy seeing the ATC side of things.
Right after I finished my Instrument "checkride" I sent a letter to the manager of the Atlanta ARTCC in Hampton Georgia asking if I could visit the facility. This was in the early 1990s. I got a phone call from another person asking when did I want to come. I drove down there one Saturday morning and sat beside the "Commerce" sector controller for almost 3 hours. Several controllers worked that station. I even was allowed to "plugin" just like a controller but was told to be as quiet as possible. I got to see their weather setup and had a supervisor show me how the computer watched the controllers if they were allowing a dangerous collision to happen. Very interesting day I will never forget.
I been to ATC in Augusta when doing cross country flight to there, think it good Lesson for any students pilot to do.
Offer snacks and you will have a good chance of getting Kelsey's attention.
Just tell him about the sweeps, beeps, and the creeps. Also, hopefully Lone Starr won't give you the Raspberry and jam your radar while you're doing it.
Love it. “The only people who don’t make mistakes are in the comment section.” I’m a retired Navy carrier pilot. We all make mistakes. The key is to live through them and learn. ⚓️
TY for your service! Appreciate it.
Did you have an opportunity to mentor any of the brave early female fighter pilots?
@@rethinkcps2116 yes, when I was an FA-18 instructor in the early 90s some of the first female pilots to transition to that platform were my students.
Thank you for your service!!! 💙 My 21 y/o nephew is in the navy 😀
@@Msbrowneyes114 thank you, happy to serve! ⚓️🇺🇸
Be nice if politicians would admit their mistakes instead of blaming others.
As a pharmacist, I loved the comment about we all make mistakes. I check over 100,000 prescriptions a year. We might have one or two errors, which I hate. But own up to it, apologise and normally most people are fine. I can’t be doing with people who make up excuses and pass the blame, just own it.
When you say check, are you referring to a technician fills, and you check over the script and make sure it matches? If so, man id love to be a customer at your pharmacy, if 3 out of that many is all that have been wrong per year. I recieve a weekly dispensed script, and it doesnt matter the pharmacy, they seem to make as many errors as they do right. Miscounts, wrong doses, reprinting past scripts, etc.
The t/a is huge in my city due to the massive influx of student visa immigrants in technician programs around my area that barely speak english. Though it usually doesnt matter, the oharmacists themselves seem to be so disconnected that they just "check" the script and approve without really even paying attention - its gotten so bad i started checking over my script by counting pills and checking over doses inside the pharmacy myself...they used to blame it on my doc, though that doesnt happen now that I check inside the pharmacy.
Reminds me, I've only had one super odd pharmacy experience. I had been prescribed a pretty heavy sedative for some severe anxiety and insomnia I was dealing with, and had just started using a new pharmacy at my neighborhood grocery store. I filled my script and something about the guy working the counter just felt off to me. I don't know what it was, but he just gave me a weird feeling. I got into my car and decided to count my pills, and the bottle was 5 short. I went back in, asked to see the manager, told him what happened, said I didn't want the extra pills (it was a one month script and the doc was clear with me that one month was all I would be getting of this drug, and well, 25 was close enough to thirty for me in that case)...and I immediately switched back to my prior pharmacy, where nothing weird ever happened. I don't know if the dude kept his job, if it really was just a simple mistake, but 5 is a pretty "round" number to be off by, and the fact that it was a heavy sedative (temazepam) that was the first prescription I had ever been shorted on... Who knows. I hadn't thought of this story in a long time, but you reminded me of it.
172 pilot sounds like an experienced aviator. He owned up to the error and hopefully he learned from it.
you shouldn't listen to this man he is a FAKE pilot the only thing he is good for is blow jobbing his own poop.
As a 72 yr old woman who doesn't understand half of what you are explaining....but I do enjoy the videos and your personality and attitude. If my granddaughters were flying I would be grateful to have you as their pilot. God bless you.
That is so cool that you are with us! :) Best from Switzerland and keep it rocking! ~ Mad
Don't worry I'm a 34 year old man and I still don't understand half of what he says either but his personality is so good and he does get the gist of it across to us non-pilots :P
He is the kind of boy every mother dreams her daughter will bring home, isn't he? I love him : )
I understand everything he’s saying and would like to confirm you’re at the right place to learn in a polite, fun way! 👍🏼😊
I’m with you Sister 🤛
Since commenters make no mistakes, I thought I'd suggest an idea for a future episode. You mentioned not knowing the magic that happens on the ATC controllers' side of things. I think it would be interesting if you brought an Air Traffic Controller on for an episode. It might even turn into a few episodes, occasionally. You could get them to talk about what their day is like, what they like and don't like when interacting with pilots, what happens when they recognize a violation, if there are things that make their jobs much easier (technologies, pilot behaviors, etc.), their favorite and best days on the job, handling of a disaster (if one can find one that's willing and free to talk about such an event), etc. They could create their own channel on RUclips, but I think it would work well on your channel as an occasional things.
I think that would be great, too, but I bet they are under some extreme government regulations about never talking about the job or something.
Also, your comment checks out - you made no mistakes. 😂
When the guy in the video says his commenters make no mistakes, I'll take it as truth, despite the sarcasm I had to ignore, since I knew I wouldn't make a mistake in doing so.
Good idea 👍
Don't forget to ask them what their snack situation at work is like!
lol “not even a real pilot”. Thanks for what you do Kelsey.
Yeah he is only a captain 😂
@@Superbus753 I think his 4th bars are fake just so people will think he's cool.
I'm only joking. I'm super happy for him finally making captain. I wish he had been able to video him getting the promotion.
@@shadowprince4482 yeah i think it is really funny that he never ever said anything on a video that he managed to become captain. The first video he wore that forth stripe i was taken by surprise and went back and checked the video before because i thought i might have missed one video but nope.
@@Superbus753 I totally did too. I watched that exact video and afterwards I was like "wait did he have 4 stripes?" and had to go back and rewatch the video.
now he's been promoted to not even a real captain.
Don’t slam the nose down because the passengers will notice the flight attendants on the ceiling. 😂
Just tell the pax that the flight attendants were momentarily possessed!
😂😂😂@@silverhawkflash
Well it's better being in the ceiling than a victim of a midair collision.
Kelsey, your humility, humor, and great storytelling teach the importance of a good attitude and self-responsibility, thank you!
Yes Hes like a robot. He doesn't miss any details in these videos. I would have full confidence flying on a plane with Kelsey at the helm. That is, if he were an actual pilot/ captain/ airplane driver
I’m an Avionics Tech and remember when TCAS came out and I loved practicing in the cockpit in the hanger with the ramp test set. I could simulate other aircraft coming in and you would hear the “Traffic Traffic”, “Descend” etc. it would also say “Increase Descent” if it started getting close. One time we took delivery of a brand new ATR-72 from France and were checking it out before revenue flights and I found the TCAS advisories were backwards! In other words when I brought in a simulated aircraft from above the TCAS told me to climb. I found the top and bottom TCAS antenna cables were swapped at the back of the radio rack! That was in Marquette MI at American Eagle back in the mid 90’s or so.
You're not helping Kelsey's nervous flyer reassurance program!
and this why we have acceptance testing 😬
@@nicktecky55 Reality is agnostic to nerves
“In heaven, the food is French, the customer service is British and the cars are German. In hell, the food is British, the customer service is German and the cars (and planes) are French,”
Oh boy 😅 that could be bad
Loving the personal stories explaining how important attitude is in life.
Kelsey, I greatly admire your honesty and forthrightness. My father was a WWII Navy flight instructor, and continued to teach in Civil Aviation after the war. He worked for United Air Lines in engineering. Needless to say, he was very good pilot, flight instructor, and had many students who wanted him as their instructor. My Dad had the reputation. that when he gave you the go ahead to get your license, you were well qualified. As a result, there was a waiting list of folks wanting him to be their instructor. One of his students went on to become the head test pilot for United. If he were here today, he'd be a fan of yours as am I. I appreciate your honesty and humor, and would never think twice to fly with you. You are much like him.
I love, LOVE, how you make mistakes being apart of being human. Showcasing your first checkride as a failure and not afraid to admit it. Helps us little guys out, to not be so intimidated by it.
*a part 🤣
I”m 70 and have Parkinson’s Disease. I flew GA (VFR only) for 18 years. I miss it. I so enjoy your videos and I”m grateful that you take the time to create such informative content. I wish I had you to listen to when I was flying. Thank you!
I love the way you explain technical pilot knowledge in a way that non pilots like myself can understand
I busted a class C airspace on my private pilot check ride. I still passed the checkride. Just having the proper attitutde, realizing the mistake immediately and taking immediate action to correct the error made the difference.
Yeah, my first flight test the examiner was kinda stern and tense--I found out later I was like her 4th test ever. She did my MEL-IA test about 4 years later and was totally laid back and mellow. Failing a checkride for cutting 100 feet into the Class B, as shown on a handheld GPS, when it's impossible to tell on the chart or from the instruments in the plane that you did it? Woof. I'm never taking another checkride from that guy if I can help it. Examiner never even should have mentioned it.
@@frotoe9289 Depending how old the GPS was, it might only be accurate to 100ft! :D
It amazes me that people leave nasty comments, especially when someone is as kind as Kelsey. I only sub to people who are positive, and Kelsey is most definitely that.
I don't see how anybody couldn't like him. He's very affable and with that droll humor I'm laughing my butt off. Keep it up, sir!
@@KCLIBURN-mj9qx i think its called jealousy
Retired USN flight surgeon with 33 years in aviation safety. Love your videos.
forgive me, what's a flight surgeon?
@@dominicbrant1968military doctor on medical and repatriation flights
First time seeing you with Captain's bars - congrats!
Hi Captain Kelsey, as a new student pilot, I was told to be careful with altitude and direction to avoid entering the wrong airspace. Your video made it so much clearer and showed how it affects others. Thanks for the great content! I always laugh and learn with your videos. One of the best feelings!
This guy have one of the Highest production value of Any youtuber.
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It’s just not Sunday without the “not really”a Captain Kelsey. Love that you can handle anything as long as free breakfast is served and all the best snacks are close by. Thank you for showing what positivity can bring. Until next time 😊
what do you mean your out of roasted peanuts- well Kelsey is flying today-- OK never mind.
@@williamoorejr 😂😂
Yep. Kelsey is a Kerbal, confirmed.
74 Gear.. Taking aviation to new levels.. The best around
LOL! Stella didn't look "scared", she looked...uh...let's call it "apprehensive". Lots of people are that way in a small plane. She wasn't screaming for you to take her back to the airport immediately. She trust you, as well she should.
Good explanation! I would have added "drawing not to scale", as it looked like they barely missed each other. (A minor issue!) As a former military controller, I can tell you that ATC can be forgiving, and often just for the reasons Kelsey mentioned. (Plus, sometimes they just don't want to do the paperwork, and figure their verbal reprimand is sufficient.) Also: I've not met a single pilot who's never made a mistake while flying. Just a few liars who say they haven't. Good on Kelsey for telling us about his issue from long ago.
Beside being impressed with your content, I'm also impressed with your time management. Doing your full time job, filming and editing these videos has to take enormous amounts of time. I'd need to raise my time management game!
P.S., glad you simply roll your eyes at the trolls who vomit their unhappiness in life in the comments.
Kelsey is spot on to owning up to your mistakes. It’s a big deal when you get the phone number. How you compose yourself in that conversation will often determine if any action is taken. Lot’s of folks get the dreaded phone number. As Kelsey says, we all make mistakes in flying.
As a MSFS pilot I learn a ton from your videos. I will never be an airline pilot but maybe a private pilot one day. Thank you for vids.
The worst is a bollocking over the radio from ATC towards an aviator. Of course be firm, very firm. To heighten the pilot’s anxiety isn’t at all helpful. Oh, another of my dislikes is an air law tutorial over the R/T. Good transactional analysis Adult to Adult communication is just so much more helpful. From South Africa, take care all.
Maybe the controller should ask you to call and have a chat? (Don’t know how it works, not a pilot. 🤷♂️)
You are a 747 pilot, my dad was a 747 pilot. I like watching your videos. You have taught me a lot. I love watching your videos. You're very interesting to watch
Entire video worth it JUST for the first 74 Gear initial checkride story. I LOL'd. Great story. Congrats on all your success!
Another great story thanks for sharing especially the part about your busted checkride. I see a lot of upcoming GA pilots concerned that if they fail a single checkride their aviation career will be over. You have obviously dispelled that myth. Keep up the videos and hope to cross path some day.
I LOVE KELSEY’S SENSE OF HUMOR, HES THE BEST AND ABSOLUTELY HILARIOUS 🤝
"....whatever wholesome....after all it is the city of angels...." glorious.
I absolutely love how you break down what happens. I have been addicted to ATC coms with pilots and love to hear the breakdown of what it all means. Thank you for pulling back the curtain on this. Keep it blue side up!! Thanks
I actually fly N53440. It belongs to the flying club I am a member of. N53440 has a GTN 750 which is great for situational awareness including GPS and TCAS. It actually shows the LAX Bravo airspace on the map. My guess is the guy either didn’t know how to use it, couldn’t be bothered or was too confused or distracted. Situational awareness around Hawthorne airport is crucial for GA aircraft flying VFR. You really have to know local landmarks and procedures. Needless to say, the lost pilot is not a member of the club anymore. Thanks for all you do Kelce. 🙏
You sure showed him, huh?
"Make sure you get his hanger keys, scarf, and jacket. Only infallible aviators allowed."
@@codymoe4986 It wasn’t his first time. He had a history.
Having a positive attitude is life changing. I can see how in aviation it is considered almost critical, as the ability to accept responsibility, learn from mistakes and focus on the task at hand instead of getting caught up in negative emotions can mean the difference between life or death for you or others in the air or on the ground.
However that same attitude in mundane situations, from buying groceries to dealing with issues at work, can smoothen out most negative interactions that might arise, resolving them faster and with a better long-term outcome for everyone involved.
Kelsey is a great example of a positive mindset, having almost a childlike approach in accepting if he doesn't know something or if he makes a mistake, and simply focusing on the reality of the thing and making improvements, without blaming himself or others, and without letting it distract or discourage him. Thanks for that!
SCT/LAX controller here; we can’t issue control instructions inside another’s airspace. Doing that could make things worse, since we don’t know what is in that airspace. Unless we actually see an immediate conflict.
That helps explain a lot
I failed to also mention that HHR controllers are not trained or certified as a radar controller, they can’t issue Radar control instructions. That takes a lot more training. Adding to that, their radar display is not certified to use to control aircraft. It’s not as accurate as our scopes. Theirs is used as a resource for general location of incoming planes.
Anyway just info on why the HHR controller didn’t tell the pilot what to do; he did exactly what he is supposed to do.
@@cherylkirkpatrick7094 Question - clearly after the IDENT the HHR controller had roughly an idea where the pilot was (possibly due a LAX notification of a beta violation?). Couldn't HHR have told them to reverse course without giving a magnetic heading? That would've at least minimized the immediate danger and interference. Of course if the pilot would have ignored it that would cost those few extra seconds, but at least any legitimate pilot would then know where to go straight away instead of just beta airspace violation.
@@MBSteinNL this is a good question. The HHR scope would show the ident, it sort of flashes on and off a few times. They can see the primary targets, at a distance around their airport. I’m not sure if they can now see the ADS-B info on the acft or not. But for sure he can see the ident at that location. Besides the previously explained radar usage limitation, and the legality of it, the controller has not been tracking that aircraft and has no idea of its heading. He could possibly turn the single engine airplane right into the Airbus. In a situation as this, it comes down to controller judgement given the info that he knows. I think I would have done the same as him in this situation. Although I’m answering this not knowing if the incident occurred before or after the HHR exchange, so am answering just with the facts that I know.
@RetreadPhoto exactly correct! Not knowing the exact geographical location of the smaller acft, I am guessing based on the altitudes, that he was 10-12 east of LAX. The OM (Lima in this case) from rwy 25L. The target should have been seen on radar by the Approach controller. I do agree based on what we know here, that the controller should have called the traffic, and that the TCAS is the last resort.
I'm sure there are thousands and thousands of very competent pilots but watching Kelsey over years I would feel super safe flying anywhere, in any conditions, in any plane with him. Imho, you can have the skills, but it's the temperament that makes a good pilot.
in my experience the best pilots are reluctant to tell you they're pilots lol
@@dominicbrant1968but don’t worry, they will.
You fly them, and I fix them/keep them safe to the best of my ability. I love and share your attitude, sense of humor, honesty, and passion! You are the type of pilot i LOVE working with! I love your videos, and have been watching for years. We all work together to keep this industry safe and constantly improving. Very proud of what I do for a living, and proud to have folks like you flying these things!
Oh, this brings back memories. My dad rented a Cessna 172 in 1976 to visit my sister in Cornelia, GA. We stayed too long. Dad was rated VFR. Our destination was PDK in Chamblee, suburb of Atlanta, GA.
Dad's plane had a terrible speaker fuzzing out all over the place! He got lost over Atlanta. At night. He thought he had PDK and he had Stone Mountain, 'way to the SE and all the way across Atlanta!
He finally found a beacon and we got to PDK, and both of us struggled to make out what the traffic controller was saying! Finally, we landed. When the fella gassed the plane up, he says, "Man, you were flying on fumes! I put more gas in this plane than it was technically supposed to hold!"
I knew it was close, but then we knew *how* close! I was 18. I didn't know much, but when it got dark, it was a white-knuckle flight all the way from there. I stayed absolutely silent. ATL is to the south of Atlanta, so at least we weren't close to that, but I had visions of us trying to land on the Interstate.
great story!
That is why they discovered the GPS system.
Nobody ever remembers the Cessna that clipped the Aeromexico flight in 1986 and killed about 100 people. The only blessing was that it was a Sunday of Labor Day weekend and many of the residents in the neighborhood of Cerritos, CA where the jet demolished were either out of town, or were at church, and the students who would have normally been in the schoolyard, where the Cessna spiraled down, were not in school that day or the next. Same situation, same results. There was no TCAS yet and a lost amateur pilot flew through LAX airspace flying over the wrong freeway using visual flight plans in an area where he was unfamiliar. The ATC was busy scolding another pilot who was showboating over Orange County, also in LAX airspace, the ATC lost his concentration and missed the Cessna and Aeromexico flight converging over my old hometown.
I feel terrible for that atc controller having that on his conscience for the rest of his life. Yes he made a terrible mistake but it sounds like pilots were being especially reckless, perhaps because it was a holiday, so perhaps his mental load was taxed to capacity like you said dealing with the first guys (extremely dangerous, presumably) showboating.
@@ennui7778 True, the ATC did get distracted by the showboat and was so distraught that he left the job for an extended period of time for counseling, then he came back to the job and quit halfway through his first day back. As an ATC, you have to keep your aircraft out of trouble, but spending that much time on a showboat who drifted into restricted airspace cost about 100 people their lives. The best thing to do would have been to notify the showboat of his violation and quickly give him a heading. If he argues, call over a superior and hand that pilot off. You can't leave thousands of lives in limbo for several minutes because one man violates restricted airspace.
Hmmm 1986, five years after "saint" Reagan fired almost 12,000 air traffic controllers. How much brain trust was lost in that little stunt? How much did it have to do with this crash?
The Reagan era began the assault on American workers. Demolition of unions were just one of thousands of straws that broke working class backs. Unfortunately evaporating prosperity for Americans has spread like a cancer into almost all job sectors. "Run it lean & MEAN!" is the cause for so much American dysfunction.
During the 2017 Tax cut propaganda push, ATT promised to add 7,000 jobs. Instead, they cut 42,000 jobs, handed out lavish exec. compensation, binged on stock buybacks and profiteered even more egregiously on the American consumer. Then blamed Biden for inflation!
Every homeless encampment should be named with the preface "Reagan." Kinda like "Hoovervilles" of the 30's.
Welcome to the "Reagan Memorial Downtown San Jose Homeless Camp!"
I remember. I lived in OC but my Dad lived in Whittier. It was all over the news. It wasn't far from Cerritos Mall was it?
Even with TCAS planes have still collided midair. Specifically the crash between a DHL and a BAL passenger, where the DHL obeyed the TCAS while the BAL followed instructions from ATC. Both dived and collided killing everyone. Some people may remember this as the one where the Russian dad hunted down the ATC controller and murdered him.
There was also a near miss between 2 Japan Airlines aircraft. One obeyed TCAS the other followed ATC instructions and both dived, the difference being in daylight the flight following ATC instructions saw the other aircraft and was able to avoid it. Injuries were indeed caused by passengers and flight attendants hitting the ceiling along with the drink carts.
Your sarcasm is top notch, love it😂👏🏾
Reminds me of when I first started flying and realized that the airspace in my area was wonderfully uncomplicated. It was a real incentive to get out there. I'm like you, I don't fly into crowded airspace, takes the fun right out of it.
16:30 “Those people right now are sitting on their grandma’s couch just screaming for meatloaf”. 🤣🤣🤣 I never get tired of your humor.
I love his sense of humor, too! Something tells me I'd bet he could tell one hell of a good joke and I laugh my ass off watching his videos......and where in the hell on that map were the boundaries for the lax airport??
I flew into the Hawthorne airport from Phoenix on a student pilot solo flight. I couldn't believe how tight that airspace was next to the Hawthorn airport and studied it, including reviewing aerial photos to have a visual ground reference to class bravo airspace boundaries. It all worked out!
SIR KELSEY...WE ALL LOVE YOU AND YOUR PROFESSIONALISM....STAY AWESOME MATE...YOU ROCK !!
True man, you're not a real pilot. You're more than that, you're an awesome one
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You're so awesome. I'm sorry you have to deal with haters. You're making videos that are extremely helpful and shouldn't have to worry about folks telling you how to do your content. You always stay humble. Kudos! Love your work.
Kelsey I just love your outlook on life and flying, you are so down to earth and honest.
Man this guy explains things so well, so good at making sure the people watching actually understand what he means. Thank you for properly educating people on aviation, and not spreading misinformation!
Kelsey, you have to remember, that some people are just unhappy, so they try to push others down.
I LOVE YOUR CONTENT!
You seem like a good pilot and human❤
That commercial pilot was so calm and professionals after avoiding a near miss during a landing. Cudos to him
On a totally different subject... Have you ever flown horses? Tex Sutton used to fly horses - particularly thoroughbred racehorses - in a converted 727 he named "Air Horse One." After Tex died and the leasing company declined to renew the lease on the aircraft, the company stayed in business as a freight forwarder booking horses onto to regularly scheduled cargo flights from FedEx and DHL.
This year I went to the Dubai World Cup, and the Dubai Racing Authority paid the round trip transportation cost for all horses in the nine races from their home track to Dubai. Rumor has it that some of the lucky horses got to fly Emirates.
Cleaning a cargo plane after a horse flight is like cleaning a crime scene. Horse urin is acidic and gets caught in the planes under structure. It requires a Lot of cleaning.
His airline has flown horses around Japan, and also flew pigs from Chicago to China. He might not have been aboard either flight, though.
Kelsey, obviously a great attitude. Anyone who creeps around the comment section with nit picky BS is missing something serious in their own lives and are probably jealous. Great Vids, You break down complicated concepts so lay people can actually understand which is a feat in itself. Congrats and continued success in all you endeavor to achieve. (27 Year Military Aviation Veteran).
A good attitude and taking responsibility bodes well for other professions too. You are truly a good, down-to-earth pilot Kelsey. Thank you.
Early 70's, I 'm 18 or 19 years old flying from home base Van Nuys to unfamiliar Hawthorne....drifted in close enough to see the big red W and little heads in the windows of a Western Airlines on final. I exclaimed something and immediately turned about. Nothing was said to me and I didn't say anything either. Good lesson. Never went back to Hawthorne though.
I miss your videos, I love your personality and sense of humor and how you explain everything in an easy to understand way. I know you are very busy but I wish you could post weekly videos, even if it is just you taking off and landing or places you go.
I enjoyed this video, and especially your humor! I once violate a restricted area a tiny bit, on my first pp vfr cross county. Between WJF and DAG. Fortunately I didn’t get violated. As I was cross checking visual navigation points, and looking at the sectional, is when I realized it. I turned south immediately to exit. The funny part is at that time I was a controller at Los Angeles Center, and worked that exact airspace! It was a stupid duh moment.
Controller violates his own airspace :D.
Do you still work that airspace? Will say hi when I'm flying around :)
@@MrXtachx right?! Lol, no I transferred down to SoCal TRACON and worked LAX Approach area,, but am now retired. The FAA won’t let us talk to airplanes anymore once we turn 56. They force us to retire. I miss it though, best job ever! On my instrument check ride, I completely blubbered my way through the first transmission to ATC. I remember that the examiner, knowing that I was a controller was laughing how I butchered the request to ATC.
@@cherylkirkpatrick7094 You should have just issued yourself a clearance into the bravo. - haha (kidding, of course)
@dave0351 I think I waited 30 days before I told them 😊
@dave0351 do you fly out of WJF?
Holy moley Kelsey. A Bravo bust on your PPL checkride! Magnificent story for all of us who have experienced an FAA do over. Never give up and learn from mistakes. Super like your channel, bud.
I appreciate your clear analysis of these sort of issue. I find it re-assuring.
Dear Kelsey, just to make you envious: recent Airbus jets like A380, A350 and current A320 NEO have got an automated TCAS RA follow function integrated into their AP/FD.
So in case of a RA, the bus driver will just smile and watch the AP doing the rest.
Wow! Very cool. I didn't know those existed.
Downside, you have to listen to the Airbus repeatedly calling you a retard every time you land.
Let's hope they've had a few decades and some non-fatal incidents so they've updated that software a few times. "Automation" isn't always better than manual.
Been watching since day one and i never tire of how through Kelsey is in his explanations
I believe Hawthorne is a contract VFR towered airport so the controller is "NOT" allowed to issue radar vectors but suggesting an immediate heading to exit the airspace might had been safer. A VFR tower controller is typically not radar certified so they can't legally issue heading instructions.
Came for the air drama and stayed bc of the great attitude of the host! You make aviation interesting and you are a great teacher. I don’t fly( too chicken) but love learning the aviation principles bc my children fly often. My great uncle was the Gen. Mervin Gross, the first Commandant of the Army Air Force Institute of Technology. Unfortunately, he was piloting a P-80 jet which was “speedy” for that era and crashed in 1946 after flying low for a few seconds over the town according to the sheriff. He flew it often between AAF educational institutions. Thanks for your teaching sessions!
TCAS is the best technology ever installed on aircraft! I don’t have the numbers, but, in my opinion , it has saved many lives👨✈️
I like your way of explaining aviation stuff to those who don't know about it (me included those people). Have a nice day Captain
I think that in this day and age too many pilots have an over reliance on electronics in the cockpit and the old fashioned reading the chart skills have gotten rusty. That being said, I think this is one of those times having a GPS or even just an iPad with Foreflight would have saved this pilot some heartache.
It's funny that you mentioned the LAX special corridor. Josh over at the YT channel Aviation 101 just did a series on flying SoCal and went into detail on the special LAX corridor that allows for pilots to fly directly through the Bravo without contacting ATC. Pretty interesting actually.
Love your content Captain Kelsey. Keep it up!
Can you please link to that series? It sounds interesting
@@elina35462 I think that Kelsey mentioned something about comments with links getting removed, so I'm not sure about posted the link here. However, if you just type in "Aviation 101" in the YT search bar, the channel should come up. The latest 3 or 4 videos are about him and his fiance flying out to Catalina Island and back. The videography that he does on his channel is really good, but he always throws in tips and lessons about flying which are quite benficial.
Fortunately getting to Catalina for me is easy while avoiding airspace. But I have only been there with my CFI (that was my day dual XC!).
I'll go back and bring my girlfriend once I feel a bit more comfortable., maybe this fall.
Every week you seem to get more and more annoyed with the Pedantic Comments. I think you’ve learnt to deal with the Rude People. Keep Going Kelsey. We appreciate you 🇬🇧
Thank you Kelsey for your professional viewpoints on all of your videos.
Thankx for sharing the check ride story! Sez a lot..I ran the stop sign at DMV on my 1st drivers license attempt...Happens to the best of us..Long time subscriber & love your stuff. OBTW, congrats on the 4th bar & love to hear the story...Fly safe.
Lol I backed out onto the highway on mine and failed it.
0:15 ... I was a kid when this happened. My mom had just dropped my dad off at the wharf where the Navy ship was preparing to set to sea and I decided to go along with them to see the ship up close and wave goodbye to Dad.
Mom hated (still does) taking the freeway, so we were driving through the city streets. As we were stopped at a stoplight, we saw this PSA airliner in flames nosediving to the ground. We watched in horror as the jet was clearly not going to make it and then the plane hit the ground. The explosion rocked the car we were in as it crashed only a couple blocks from where we were stopped.
Had the red light not been as long as it was, or if it were green, we would have been much closer to where it hit. The crazy thing is, that was the second time I saw a plane crash before the age of 10, and not the last time I watched a plane as it crashed.
... and people wonder why I don't fully trust air travel. Yes, I know the statistics and air travel is statistically safer, but if a plane is hit, the passengers are goners. If my car is hit, I come to a stop, I don't freefall out of the sky.
Have you ever been struck by lightning? 😄
What a horrible thing to experience, especially as a young child.
Was that PSA 182 over San Diego in 1978?
Thats the only crash I know of matching your description.
@@childofcascadiadid you watch the video?
Man basically said it’s hard to hurt his feelings because there’s nothing he didn’t hear growing up, I really relate to that😂
Same! My first nickname at 6yo was ' Big Ape'🙄😃
Sounded like a challenge to me!
I can relate to that also; never been to a class reunion. The 45th is coming up next weekend and I will not go.
i held the flashlight for my dad so heard it all--he died of alcoholism when i was 16--went on to football champ,star player in hi school,then on UCLA--my mom was drunk in the stands,friends mom drove her home,i bailed her out of jail 3 times before i was 20 for dui--i never lived one day like them or even one hour--i am 72,might start drinking one day...btw--not one time did i ever hear good job son,not from parents,friends or bros,sisters,actually the opposite from sons,ex wife, bros and sisters who had their own substance problems,alcohol..beam me up scotty...
@mellocello187 thank you,best to you
Kelsey, you earned a free breakfast, and bag of snacks for this video. I love your attitude. I earned my Private Pilot License at VGT, while stationed at Nellis AFB. On VFR arrivals from the north & west ATC would advise to report Lone Mountain. The 7 mile straight in final in a 172 was always fun. Keep your airspeed up.
Kelsey, Im a SoCal GA guy and really appreciate your videos! VFR in that airspace will definitely keep you on your toes. As far as negative comments, I'm sensing some animosity toward meatloaf, and I can't let that go without calling you on it.
Outstanding story regarding taking personal responsibility. Thank you.
Kelsey, I always enjoy your videos, to hear your prospective as a pilot, is refreshing. Please continue as long as you can.
In early April, I was on a plane cleared for takeoff at Burbank airport and were in normal position but weren’t taking off. Several planes were backed up that we could see. I thought something was wrong with our plane but then the pilot came on and told us they’re trying to get Dr. Jones out of airspace.
funny..dr jones landed later at Independece,Ca in a low level clouds,almost fog, coming over the trees at 2/ 5 ft above--when i talked to him he thought he landed at Lone Pine!!--his two nurses with him asked me to take them to bus pick up for trip back to LA --just shook my head,Doc admitted nothing...dead man flying
Glad everything went well for "Dr. Jones." But this reminds me of two incidents involving "MD's (not PhD's) who are also pilots." One got lost and disoriented over San Diego (I believe) trying to fly into the airport stemming from not being able to execute the turn to line up with the runway that the ATC asked him to perform. The other, flying out of KIWA (roughly my back yard... well my daughter's.) at night flew into a mountain. Neither survived.
Hey, not all of us doctors are jerks. I fly a 1973 cessna 182, and because I'm a doctor I don't fly a bonanza. I am prepared, courteous, fairly competent, and not egotistical. I am instrument rated and I stick to very reasonable minimums. I live by one overriding rule; don't stall the airplane. My flight instructor for my ppl initially didn't believe I was a doctor because I wasn't macho or arrogant and I didn't claim to know everything. You think doctors are bad? Try lawyers.
@@frankrosenbloom Hehehe... Um... Having worked for a large healthcare company for almost 30 years and having to deal with doctors in different capacities, I want to call BS on all of that. For starters, I did IT Service Desk (The people you call when you break your computer or jam the printer) for 19 of those. I now put together reports off the credentialing software for the Credentialing team.
But I won't disagree about the lawyer thing. :D
@@jackielinde7568 I didn't say none are, I said not all are.
Owning your screw ups gets you much further.
I've been a passenger on many flights into major airports. A few, I sat in the jump seat. Easy to see why this was important. I was in the seat (before TCAS) & ATC advised of a small plane crossing our glideslope. We spotted the plane about 1 mile away. I could see the relief on the pilots' faces. Good video
we all appreciate your delivery and enjoy learning more about aviation issues. Thank you and keep it up.
Amazing video man! Been watching since the start. Proud to see where you’ve ended up.
C172 pilot here. I've come about as close as you can get to busting bravo twice. Once ATC forgot about me, told me to fly runway heading, and I was JUST about out of their class D and about to bust into the bravo. Fortunately I saw what was about to happen and descended from 2500 to 2200 to get under the 2300 foot shelf before getting the "make a left 180 turn immediately, expedite" call on the radio. Second time I was climbing out from under the bravo shelf and ATC advised me of police drone activity in the area (and it was at night). I was so busy looking for the drone that I was at 3950 feet (under a 4000 foot shelf) and descended just in time. Both those times I would have busted bravo without an iPad showing me the way. It's easy to do. I imagine it will happen at some point in my flying career. I will be contrite, apologize, and hopefully go on my merry way.
Police drone, at night? How do you spot a little thing like that?
@@johnnunn8688 You don't spot it, you hear the crunching noise...
Kelsey your comment at 15:57 is one hundred percent correct! Thanks for another fantastic video 🙂
Thanks Kelsey excellent video!
Happy Landings!😊
Thanks Kelsey. Your “down to earth”, self deprecating approach in presenting the videos enables all of us mortals to learn and appreciate the topic of the day.
Great video. It reminded me of one of my unofficial flying lessons in a Citabria flying out of Monterey Regional in Calif and while I was doing my slip down for a touch and go (no flaps or slats), I glanced behind us and saw this big PSA 727 smile running up our butts. Granted there must have been more than enough separation as the tower did not say no to the touch and go and things do appear larger in the rear view, but it sure gave me a couple seconds of pucker.
This was in '78 and I don't think there were cordoned off areas for commercial flights around regional airports yet. Who knows, maybe your aunt was working that flight...
I wonder if that’s the same Citabria I flew in the early’80s. There weren’t many around SoCal. I wish I could remember the tail numbers. The one I flew later crashed into the Santa Susana pass during a low ceiling. Killing the husband and wife who owned it. My ex brother in law, the one who sold it to them, tried to get the salvage rights and make it airworthy again. But, there wasn’t enough left.
How did you see "behind" your airplane?
@@38Flyer Being an acrobatic plane(+7,-5g) it has excellent visibility. Yes, you can see behind you if you crane your neck far enough. Though, I wouldn’t recommend it!
@@38Flyer Small craft do have large rear view mirrors on the sides and one above the windshield, at least the Cessna 172's and [Cessna 2 seaters] I rode in several times in the 70's and 80s did.
@@38Flyer The Citabria has a glass or lexan section over the cockpit and I was in a slip; pretty good visibility aft.
Captain Kelsey! you are awesome!
The 1986 AeroMexico collision was just like this, and it happened at LAX.
Kelsey, love your very entertaining show! Keep up the good work! So the Hawthorne Tower Controller (HTC) is talking to the Cessna. HTC does not control Bravo space, does not have the authority to give any plane flying in Bravo a vector (no matter how well meaning) especially because HTC does NOT have the immediate situational awareness of ALL activity in the Bravo space. All HTC can legally and ethically do is to tell the Cessna to immediately contact the ATC in control of Bravo. Only the Bravo ATC controller has the situational awareness to give a SAFE and legal vector to the errant Cessna. You are probably confused, because when you have busted Bravo space, the Bravo ATC was the controller to bust you and could also give you an immediate vector back to safety.
2:51 wow that map looks complicated, Imagine how confusing it is for all those Aliens flying their UFOs.
Hmmmmm….. that is indeed a very probing question…….
And that's the only reason why I don't believe in UFOS
I learned to fly out of HHR in the 70s. I always contacted HHR over Alondra park. Never flew into Compton since we have so many other interesting airports go fly to. My favorites where Catalina and Chino.
I assume Chino for the museum?
I'm flying out of Flabob.
In Australia, a red-head is often called "Blue" or "Bluey." When Kelsey signs off with his "Keep the blue side up," for me, it insinuates that Kelsey wants to remain upright.
🙃
"Ranga side up".
Remember Crocodile Dundee? What about Men at Work? Do you frequently put another shrimp on the "barbie"? Remember how criminals colonized the place, and kicked the aborigines off their land? Australian culture is really the best.
@@Truth_Teller_101 Where did you learn to say this sort of thing?
@@Truth_Teller_101 - a shrimp on the barbie? Only a Seppo would say that.
I recall that crash in ‘78. So scary. Didn’t want to fly for quite a while. Separate story…. Had a celebratory lunch at the LAX restaurant in the sky in ‘62… I was seven. Gave me food poisoning….never went back 😂
I just passed my checkride, but it was almost a fail with one maneuver. Been keeping my chin up (I mean I did pass afterall!), but this video and your comments about attitude were exactly what I needed to see. Pursuing this career is intimidating, and the learning curve is steep. Staying calm and moving on to the next step is all you can do, and this was a great reminder of that. Keep at it Captain!
make all your mistakes in rehearsal, you'll live longer
@dominicbrant1968 you're the kind of commenter he literally talked about in the video lol
@dominicbrant1968 what?
@@go-tocigars2363 keep flying, you'll learn what you need to know.... good luck
I was an ASC for a few years back in the 90’s. I used to hear pilots with thousands of hours (Military & or Airlines) say “Doesn’t matter how good you are…..you will probably break some FAR or another every time you fly.” True. Thanks for another great vid dude!
Man, forget about the haters. You have above of a million of ppl who love you 😅
I'm a subscriber because I enjoy his content...not because I love him. How about you?
I used to fly around that area in the’80s. We stayed away from that field for just this very reason. Getting violated before you solo doesn’t score points with your FAA Examiner!
Love your vent rant. Backseat pilots and backseat RUclips watchers need to thank you for content, not nitpick. Thank you.
Backseat "RUclips watchers"? Do they critique the backseat pilot's criticisms?
Compton native, born and raised. I couldn’t help but laugh when you said you had no idea Compton had an airport since most people won’t, however, going up I spent a lot of time there. The airport also host an aeronautical museum that has some great youth programs, and I used to love spending my summers there playing around with the plane simulator (I would *not* make a good pilot lol).
My wife grew up in Compton and my in laws live there, we’ve been to the museum and I love that they have all the helicopters with the doors open so I can look at the interior in detail
Kelsey, I enjoy your videos mainly because I’m an aviation geek and look forward to hearing all of your adventures and stories of your travels. You have the perfect demeanor to make videos and fly big jets!