Analog Shadow Hills vs Digital Plugins. Is there a difference?
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- Опубликовано: 28 авг 2024
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In this video we are compaing a $10,000 Shadow Hills Mastering Compressor with the plugin version from Plugin Alliance.
Who will come out on top?!?
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If you have a song that you would love to see me mix in an analog style, send me an email at joshwestmix@gmail.com. I would love to show off your song by putting your instruments through this lovely analog gear.
If you have any questions at all, feel free to ask me in the comments.
Not to be nit picky but the plugin you picked is modeled on a completely different compressor internally, the plugin is based on a all Class A, gold wired unit with a different punchier VCA and a different faster release knee that only had a limited run of 50 units. So the plugin will sound way cleaner than the hardware, the OG original Brainworx Shadow Hills would be a better comparison since it is modeled on the hardware unit you have in the studio. Good comparison anyway and it shows how good algorithms have become at mimicking various types of compression. It a great time to be making music.
This is true. The plug-in you’re using has red LEDs and your hardware unit has green. it’ll be nice if you do a quick follow up with the green LED plug-in.
I own the only unit that exists in South Korea
Yes, this. Most of the time, these latest emulations are spot-on. We just have to pay attention to input gain.
To be really fair, you should use oversampling on the plugin, i.e., at least 4x or 8x. I saw the same type of comparison with SPL's IRON and the plugin was close but not exact. However, when you oversample it, the low end tightens and there's more clarity and detail. I know this plugin doesn't have built in OS so you'd have to use Reaper's OS, or Patchwork or Superplugin.
One more thing. When you change between the plugin and hardware, don't stop and say you're changing it - just change it in real time so we can hear the differences immediately.
I thought it was interesting! and man those Shadowhill hardwares are a sight of beauty
Thanks for doing this and yes unfortunately, this is the era we now live in where everyone is so sensitive to every little thing that is said without looking at the bigger picture. Wonderful studio and mix and video btw.
don't stop what you're doing.Super fan
Just wish you could’ve done this demonstration with a song with a kick and snare
Thank you for this video. Wonderful! What is often not noticed is that our subconscious actually perceives the quantized sampling rate, but our mind does not! The mind is comparatively very slow. Because "digital" is only a quantized approximation. And can never lead to the natural full-fat level of whole milk.
In addition, with digital there are delays in milliseconds, which the subconscious also perceives. The subconscious perceives delays of 1 millisecond!
No problem at all with analogue! In our souls we perceive music processed in analogue with an indescribable feeling of well-being. It is worth working analogue as far as possible. Thank you very much!
As you are well aware each hardware unit is different and may have a slightly different sound. I was on a beta testing team for a compressor and the company insisted on making sure that the people with the actual hardware units be able to null the plugin with their units. I also recall calibrations had to be done. Each unit was different, but the company wanted the plugin to null the hardware and only after months of testing was the company comfortable releasing the plugin. your hardware unit is not the actual one that they modeled so you will always have to set your settings based on your ear and not what your settings are on the hardware... But I do prefer the analog! Yes you would have to add another plugin to get the sound
Can you please let me know which company this was? I want to buy the product immediately!
@@Rhuggins I've signed NDAs sorry, but I'm sure you already have it if you subscribe to a company that rhymes with crate 🤫
Love the videos, and thanks for making them while being genuine.👍🏾👍🏾
In the video, you said you got a few comments about people saying don’t adjust to the numbers on the hardware. I say start off with adjusting it to the numbers on the hardware (which is interesting.) and then adjust to what your ear tell you (which is also interesting), this is what a person would do in real life if we didn’t have the hardware unit. That would be a nice added touch to these types of videos because from our point of view, it’s like “Oh well they don’t sound the same, thanks for watching goodbye”, instead of let’s see what we can do to get them to sound closer. Think about it, even two hardware unit wouldn’t sound the same.
The point is to get a good sound not “Oh well they don’t sound the same, now I guess I got to quit music because I can’t go out and buy the $10,000 unit”…“You know what I mean“?
Love your videos. Such a fun watch/listen. Really feel like I’m being let into that room, getting to watch everything you’re doing! Camera and production work is great.
Thanks! I really appreciate your kind words. Your support means the world to me!
Fantastic video!! due to your quality, I was able to discern the specific subtle differences between your studio compressor and the plugin. With that said, I want to tell you something that you can test yourself. I don't know how many units of this model has BH produced but I will bet my last Dollar on that their character, color, depth and general handling will vary from unit to unit. Easy to test if you have 2 or more units to do the test with. The reason for that subtle variation is components are similar, not identical. Take a transformer; the mass of the components in that transformer will not be identical to that other unit and it will ever so slightly differently process the signal. The same goes for other components in a given compressor. Test this out if you ever get that opportunity. The plugin modeled from ONE SPECIFIC UNIT will most likely closely emulate the exact characteristics and sound of the unit it was modeled from. I've tried these tests with Marshall Amps, Mics, Avalon 737s as well as Consoles, it proved the point. This applies as well to that SSL Console in your studio. Run the same track through 2 or 3 different stereo channels and listen. Again, this was a wonderful video!!
Cool video. Thanks for the shoot out. Yes, the analog is worth the extra $10k IMO.
The difference is so small, that it's not a deal breaker with me. However, I have the older plugin which might be more in line with the hardware unit in your studio. I think the Class A ShadowHills Compressor is a bit different, and that is clear according to this video, however it still sounds really good, and good enough for me to not spend thousands of dollars for a 5% improvement if that. You are right the nickel sounds good on the plugin, so much that I think it sounds better than the hardware when in nickel mode, but the hardware sounds best in iron mode for sure, even against the plugin in its best state.
@vigilantestylez Peace Fam. I agree with you about the minimal difference in the low end but I definitely heard it. I also own the 1st version as well. The Class A is on Special for $29.99 until Feb 2nd. I'm gonna cop it same way. Apparently only 50 class A's were made. Respect.
Only $9800? The power supply costs an extra $1100! Great video. Hardware sounds more 3-D and alive.
@@paulmolive1821 It sounds more alive in your mind. Both the plug-in and the hardware do the same thing.
Excellent job sir :)
Man… by far the best place (to me) in order to have a good reference for me to choose the right plugins… THANK YOU!!
I’ve got the plugin for some time, at first I didn’t use it so much but used it more and more. Now a days I like it a lot specially on my drumbus. For mastering I use the free D16 Frontier which is awesome for my taste. Great video again, I saw the unit in your rack in an other video and hoped you’d do a comparison with them, my wish has been answered thanks 😊👌🏼👍🏼
D16 is awesome cheap company . Also Klanghelm. Lots of music for couple of bucks
@@stanislavcvik9128 Yepp, specially the Klanghelm MJUC is really nice 👌🏼
this song is great
I hate to be this guy but do you know who plays it? Need to hear this.
@@albertocespedes9785 sadly I don't
wow I immediately felt the difference between the 2 but I really heard it with your explanation. You are a great tutor keep going you will succeed on the youtube game too.
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Nice comparison!!!🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤
As you said, if you know what you are doing you can get all the depth and 3dness in the world in the box. Sometimes gear is like a cheat to get great sound without understanding why. Serban Ghenea is ITB and his bass is soooo thick and his mids are soooo smooth. He uses CLA-76 and a 10 year old channel strip... knowledge and skill gets good results, great gear is fun and can be a shortcut to complex processing without having to know whats going on
Very well made comparison. Don't let the haters get to you. Looking forward to more stuff like this. I use the plugin all the time and I love it. Cheers man!
Thank you so much! Making these videos for you is a blast!
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Glad to see youbcontent all the time bro i really appreciate it
Thank you!
I’ll pop that on my lottery list! ❤️
Dude just do any videos with all of the classics, from what I can see that room has literally atleast 2 of every piece of gear ever imaginable. You have a unique opportunity to showcase a lot of that stuff. Awesome vids! Ps don’t sell out to plug-in companies paying for secret reviews because then I won’t want to watch anymore lmao 🙏🏼
For me its close.... but not close. Sure the characteristics are pretty similar, but you are right about the low end, its just not there in the plugin. Also, I find the analog unit so much smoother and handles the transients better. Thanks for the video, I really do enjoy hearing what we are missing in the digital-only world by watching videos such as this. Now to drool over the shadow hills hardware unit. lol
Love that stuff you are doing man. keep it flowing. Btw you should try the opto compressor part of the Shadow Hills on piano and let us know what you think....
I can't hear 9800$ difference. Maybe it's youtube compression degrading the audio. There's slight difference but surly not that much. You need more low end use equaliser that's their job to fix what's needed. Great work thanks.
This is a million dollar studio for sure. I used to mix on that SSL duality but i think your model is the newer version. It's a great sounding board but i found it to be overly complicated. The middle area was a mess to me . I had a real hard time reading the silkscreening. The sound though was brilliant
Thaks, I love your videos,... I hope one day you can make a comparison of the Chandlers, they say that the emulations are very good,...
I'd love to see Softube Console 1 SSL 4000e EQ and saturation comparison to the real SSL, UAD 1176 rev A and rev E comparison to the real 1176s and LA-2A comparison (real LA-2A vs UAD Grey vs Waves CLA-2A vs Softube Opto Compressor) and lastly Softube Tube-Tech EQ comparison to the real Tube-Tech EQ. Thanks for your videos! They're very informative
Thanks! I love making them for you guys!
LOVE this - keep em coming! Thanks so much for your time. the level of copium in the comments is funny...dont mind them. One person even suggested that you should have used the UAD version because of course it sounds warmer..even though its the same code lol. Thanks again!
Very interesting. Even though i am not a fanatic of either side cause i find plugins excel in some things and analog in others,
we have arrived at a place where analog or digital will not make or break a record.
The way i see it, a good engineer working completely in the box will produce a better result than a „medium" skill engineer with the best analog equipment
Can you please make more tutorial videos on how to balance a mix. Thanks
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The analog gear just has a smoothness to the tops and energy in the lows.
I just feel digital is too perfect and analog is imperfect in a good way. I desire the imperfections over surgical clarity. Call me old fashioned.
On the Multivoice Part the difference was so dramatic, almost not believable. Sounded like the deep harmony was 1 dB up in the Mix and there was almost 30% more depth overall. Somehow analog always makes the Mix breathe wider and digital sounds more restricted, thats always what gives it away for me and in my opinion as an audio lover, that exact fact is worth all the money in the world. something sterile becomes organic wich is the reason why i love making and mixing music.
I'd be interested in comparing the dry mix, and the version you ran through the hardware as .wav files. Iron, nickel, and steel with a photo of the settings on both units. I would enjoy being able to understand where and how I should compensate when using the plugin. I've done this with other units but I don't have access to that one.
Cool comparison! The plug-in definitely doesn’t give off the same low end lift that the analog gave 👏🏽
bluegrass has low end?
Great videos! Thank you for putting these together. Just one thing, could you please not speak when doing comparisons?
Could you say what you're gonna do, then have a visual aid on the screen as you switch?
Thank you again 🙏
The plugin (red) has a very annoying LPF in the optical section. I still don't understand how, to these days, they thought it would be a good thing, especially for mastering...
IMHO. Two Things. 1. Worflow 2. Aliasing. The latter constitutes cumulative timbre deletion through enharmonic artifacts that encumber and creep up from the noise floor and lower level signal range. It eats away at ambience, density of and smoothness of midrange, and the tail/decay of notes. Aliasing can be compounded through a signal path from the first plugin, to bussess, auxes and through the last plugin on the mix buss. Imagine a track getting aliasing artifacts 4-8 times. Most compressors have aliasing from the detection algorithm. And practically all saturation plugins do as well. The more you compress and drive saturation the worse it gets. In a nutshell, the more you try to get "analog" mojo with plugins the more energy and harmonic richness is lost. This results in diminishing returns. With analog gear, none of this happens. This is why a large complex mix with plugins finds us fighting to get everything to sit, pulling out our hair and taking much longer than a full analog mix.
To be 100% honest, a full analog mix also can get you hair pulled and takes more time.
Print… Why the hell the bass track disappeared in the print?
Eh what’s that noise on the left channel?
Crap channel 31-32 is noisy I can’t use it to monitor the print.
Another noisy bus…. Aaaah another thing I can’t really do in MIX mode vca to monitor. Etc… etc… 🤣
For having done both, I kinda prefer the hybrid approach now for my mental health sanity x).
The hardware almost always wins but it's 10k. Yea the plug is the Class A which sounds different than the standard for sure. The plugin acts odd when I hear the compression for whatever reason. The hardware just doesn't give me that jarring effect on the attack and release. It also just has a prettier more open sound. You can make a record with either, though. I would end up with different settings on each I am sure, in the end. It's different when you are driving each and finding the best settings.
Great vid man
I checked your first reaction on the plugin, the missing part is ; there is no foot-tapping or head-bobbing happening. The analog version immediately breathes life into the sound. It sounds radio-ready so to speak. It makes you want to tap your feet.
You are using plugin modeled on different model, as Joe commented.
This class A version has more aggressive, punchy and transparent sound.
Original 2011 Shadow Hills plugin modeled after unit you're using is more rounded and has that rounded sound.
As I understood from online comparisons between the two plugin models - in 90% situation this new Class A plugin sounds better.
I would try 30ms attack or maybe add a bit of optical compression to the plugin to get the better result.
Also, there is sidechain HPF which could help the bass to come through more.
I'm quite sure that Softube tape (tape model B setting) with slight hi freq rollof or Waves NLS "Mike" mode after this plugin could make in the box master sound closer to the analog one you have.
I'd love to hear that.
Cheers!
Great tips, thanks!
Yeah I own the class A and it’s incomparable even to the green light version. I couldn’t master with the normal SHC but I master with the Class A all the time
I appreciated this. I find I can’t hear these differences. I think my brain/ears are not attuned yet to the differences.
Interestingly though I can hear nice things happening when I turn on the SHMC plugin, in my mixes, and while I can’t say what the difference is, I can consistently blind audition and pick the one that has the SMHC on.
Weird? Am I the only one who is almost able to hear what these things do? But not clearly?
The plugin market is looking like another fools gold realm in our lives. Ever since i started dabbling in outboard gear ive been kind of blown away how easy it is to hear hardware working and making the music better; plugins are feeling like “meh.”
I totally agree with you, I love my hardware 😊
Great video - however when you compare sounds and stop the music for 3-4 secs and tell what you are doing makes it really hard for many people to hear the difference. Maybe just say what you are doing and then switch back and forth with the music playing. Especially on RUclips where sound is already heavily compressed. Thanks!
Like others have said, you are comparing the Class A version of the plugin to the hardware. You really should be using the regular version with the green LED’s. From what I have seen on RUclips, most of the pro’s who use the plugin actually prefer the regular one over the Class A version.
You’ve seen people using the Green version more because it’s been out since 2013.
Comparing it the Class A plugin is smart imho as it puts it to a more up to date emulation.
And plugins aren’t hardware. When they say class A vs green, it’s not 2 totally different units. It’s roughly the same code slightly tweaked to make a new plugin.
You messed up man. I've used the 'real' tube 1 & have both the plugs. The 'red' class a is a totally different topology & unsurprisingly has a very different sound - not worth the comparison.
id like how in your setup.. you use a 12k mastering compressor... that you set... outside of the Sweet spot.. sitting on thr floor... with one ears...( the right) getting your source signal...
to me its a highly insane and very bad work flow.
what hapoend when you actually sit back in your swret spot. ??
Analog vs Plugin, the reasons you can't dial in exactly the same settings:
1) you don't know which reference level was used when creating a plugin (-6db, -14, -18 or whatever)
2) the analog unit (or the referenced unit) could be different/aged/broken
3) if you dial in the best setting on plugin and then copy them to the digital, the outcome could vary if you'd do the same but vise a versa.
I know there’s a difference, I just want to see how much at this point in average settings
Do a null test
I cant change the knobs on my plugins....
Josh, I have been enjoying your videos. Could you tell me if it is worth owning the Shadow Hills 500 series Vandergraph verses other 500 series dual compressors such as the API 529 and the Serpent Audio S4001? I have one other observation. When you are comparing gear I notice you let us listen then you stop then play the comparison gear. Is it possible you can flip between the gear as we are listing to it? I feel I can hear the difference better.
I honestly don’t use the 500 series products enough to know which of those pieces of gear are best. My personal opinion is that if you are talking about a compressor, I find they are more worth it buying rack mounted compressor. It does take up more space but the quality of the sound, due to the additional power it receives, is much better than a 500 series compressor. I do use the 500 series equalizers like the Maag EQ and Pope Audios Bax EQ. Those are incredible and very worth it.
@@JoshWestMix Thanks for the reply and I appreciate your input for me making a decision.
Great review! Can you compare the tube tech cl1b on vocal to the plugin please?
Hey thanks so much! I can definitely make that video for you. I just started using that on vocals more and more often.
it does seem funny tho using crazy expensive intensely designed gear like for super mild music like bluegrass lol
Hahaha 🤣. The untold truth of YT videos.
To be fair, he uses what he has the right to use too, it’s hard sometimes to get the rights cleared to show gear off with some music we work on.
The hardware sounds effortless. All sources have their own layer. The plug-in isn't bad but misses that transparency, easy going and detail. It's a beautiful compressor but buying a unit like that only makes sense if the whole chain is up to that level.
Dosent translate at all through my phone, laptop, headphones, earbuds, jbl's. It all sounds the same.
big like from ISRAEL !!
I mean, i would get one, if I had the money for it.. but if your moving around, plug-in should hold it down
You missed an opportunity to add Acustica Audo Aquamarine to the test. It's better than the PA version, IMHO:)
Does this analog unit go through some ad/da converters or mic pre/line in? Defo…small differences in that case will be there…I don’t know the signal flow with the daw, console and outboard gear but connecting that compressor to a daw definitely requires some line amp/mic pre…
Converters these days do not color the sound in anyway even if you convert over 50 times i/o you wouldn’t be able to hear the difference.
you can definitely hear the difference between 0 and 50 loopbacks, but to your point, the differences between various converters these days is not really one of quality but rather one of style/flavor. in my experience. and it's not a difference that really matters (or is even audible) at ~5 loopbacks @@Studio22mix
Def not mic pre. But line amp + A/D - D/A of course. But that’s actually the part of it and what makes analog less easy to use. And also, technically speaking, because of this, plugins SHOULD respect the source more. Which proves than now A/D roundtrip have very little impact to the sound (if not done at least 20 times).
Run a stereo out from Pro Tools to a portable speaker/Bluetooth speaker/mobile device and THEN run the test to see what difference it makes.
The Class A plugin has a strange low pass filtering happening so it will sounds very different from your hardware, also these are two different units. No point in this comparison. Like comparing a blackface 1176 and a blue stripe one.
Any chance we can get stems of the hardware vs plugins?
That is a great idea! I might have to do that in my next video comparing plugins to gear. Thanks!
The original track has a "pumpiness" about it and it is more pumpy with the inserts. Not my cup of tea, but, I am, of course, dealing with the YT algorithm.
🎩I will give one „Like“ and a very polite thank you to the Mr. who gives me the name of the band that the gentleman plays in his disertation.
Great video but your comparing the analog to the class A plugin
So the Class a will sound different than the analog... However they make the original Shadow hills
You may find it more comparable
Not an even race truthfully
I use the original non class a from Plugin Alliance
Hey man, was wondering if by any chance you are still looking for an intern?
Hey thanks for the interest but we currently don’t have any intern opportunities at this time. If you want, shoot your resume to joshwestmix@gmail.com and if anything opens up I will let you know!
Man - I've had my mind's eye on the SHMC for over a decade. You're not helping! Nice comparison.
uad version sounds the closest to that hardware ...but the hardware will remain king of the hill
The youth will determine what becomes 'the norm'. It's so subjective.
As part of the « youth », I’d say f*ck the norm 😜.
Of course there is a difference.
I hear an upper mid range character to the plug in. Of course, a lack of depth as well.
I'll guarantee you that the average, radio head listener will never know, understand or even care about the difference between the two. They wouldn't know or hear the difference if I, the inexperienced done the work, because they just do not care in the least bit.
Thing is, as engineers, we are not getting paid by the average listener.
Think of it this way :
The chair you are sitting one. It’s likely that somebody, and engineer, nerd out of the dimension, measurements, materials to use etc… So the manufacturer would have the most optimized product according to their will (and costs calculus).
Now the average sitter doesn’t care, they just wanna sit their heinie on it. But they have the luxury not to care about this, because somebody else did it for them before.
Same here.
Engineers, in most field, are thinking about things so nobody else has to.
Almost every time something happens without having you think about it, means that somebody thought about it ins and outs for you before.
Love ❤️ .
Sorry for the auto-correct that made my message a bit unclear and clumsy ✌️.
I mean plugins are good but no plugins have any mojo, he’ll it’s just 1’s & 0’s lol let the haters hate.
... terrible choice of music to showcase anything... the music is quite annoying as much as distracting to get a clear view. Also no kicks, no snare or hi hats or what not that can help discern the works... uff... though couldnt get through the vid without hating it.
Why You don’t use music to demonstrate it? Because Bluegrass is really hart to hear for no gum chewing cowboys from planet USA.
Hooooorrible. All that good hardware for that music?? Thats sad.
Hahaha funny but true nobody in Europe is listening to that genre. Same with vocal mixing videos, a lot of vocals I just can’t listen to, let alone over and over again 😅
But the music is just for the comparison and I can hear how the hardware and the plugin do their thing and that’s what matter 😊
@@Studio22mix Then I trust Your opinion, that, the hardware sounds of course better, because I had not the nerve listen to it 😁
I guess it would be the same for Your ears, someone do the same with Italian Tarantella or German Volksmusik. 😉
Yes I had the volume really low,
I was afraid someone would hear me and lock me up in a mental hospital 😂
@@Studio22mix You know what, i zip me a aspirin and go back to Your Video. I want to know how the SH performed. I like that, irks so funny here. Peace 🤜
Jo.. I do it!! ...and it was a very very nice comparison. Not bad that song by the way. 😁
I guess I´ll stay with Acustica Audio stuff. Erin, El Ray and Ultramarine is nice stuff too.
1st by the way
The conclusion is : Tchad Blake mixes with plugins and his projects sounds better than yours.............and he makes more money at the end of it. Funny isn't it?
Geez man you guys can be so rude. It blows my mind
@@joshwest9942 please don't pay attention to these haters - they can ruin your eagerness for doing these videos and ultimately don't help anyone watching them. We're grateful for someone experienced in mixing that can show us the real differences between the real units and the plugins. It's rare to see the real comparison
Agreed @joshwest9942 please dont pay attention to these ignoramuses. They are just bitter that they cant afford these units....neither can I - but I aspire to it and have been saving for years to make these things a reality. The truth can be very painful for many of them but please dont let them discourage you from making content this is SO USEFUL to those of us to whom you really intended to make this video for. Thanks so much for your time
@@Rhuggins As an adult you should aspire to make a living making music and put butter and bread on the table and NOT just make music using outdated expensive hardware. Why do you think top mixers are moving away from hardware? Oh right......to make a living. This youtuber here only lives to make himself look good. Damn youtubers.
@@MartinMartin-yi9to To that point, you could make a living driving cars in a video game, I prefer driving the real thing. Thanks for watching!
Really I think the comparison is rather moot. Simply because. While the, Shadow Pills Mastering Limiter. No doubt, is a fine unit. I had one in my control room for a few weeks. It's a nice limiter for rich guys. It's a status limiter.
The reason I believe the comparison is moot. With that, of the, software version. Simply because. This is not a legendary nor well-known, classic, anything. It's a modern day limiter. With a retro,, 1940s lookin', vibe. You are paying more for the look. Then you are for what it does. As it does not have what we would call, a recognizable sound. It definitely is not a Fairchild 660/670 by any stretch of the imagination. It doesn't even use vacuum tubes/valves.
In fact it circuitry. Isn't much different. From that of API Audio Products. It's based on a similar circuit design.
After having it for a couple of weeks in my control room. I was largely underwhelmed. So I gave it back. I like the sound of other well-known classic limiters better. They may not be better limiters. But they have a recognizable classic sound everyone knows. And are drawn to. Without knowing why. Based on Familiarity of Sound. Not based on someone's, subjective perception of better sound. That hasn't had the experience with the other manufacturers, similar units.
And so if you want this pretty piece in your control room. To put across your, stereo mixes. Which is what it's designed to do. Then? No problem for the $10,000 price tag. Right?
Personally I would rather purchase a used Harley-Davidson. They don't make limiters.
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thats the 9800 dollar difference a 98 cent pissy chip verses transformers your shit only sounds as good as your output