@@MrFightmonster118 No, @juliecooke5907 is correct, Mass Effect is Shepard's story and without Shepard it's not Mass Effect. We still need the 'one more story.' Andromeda tried and failed miserably to do Mass Effect without Shepard. They tried, they failed. Bring it back to its roots, Shepard, the Normandy and the original crew on a new adventure.
I interpret MG's reference to the Shepard trilogy as an attempt to distinguish it from Andromeda, which does not get as much love. So in answer to the original post, he says he also wants to capture the original trilogy magic.
@@dsan1138 Ha, yah! Anyway, I should have mentioned in my original post that I am a huge fan of Andromeda and Veilguard, almost as much as the original trilogies. I definitely see the cup half full regarding the ME5 message.
Good points about comparing what Gamble calls “The Shepard Trilogy” to things like the “Infinity Saga” and “Skywalker Saga”. That does make it sound like that this game won’t be about Shepard
I think you’re looking too deep on the “Shepard Trilogy” comment. It might make sense if that was all the ME games that existed but I feel it was more to differentiate between the best ME’s vs Andromeda.
Perhaps. But if one thing is absolutely certain, it’s that Gamble is always very intentional with his words. Tomorrow morning I have a video coming out covering some more stuff Gamble has said since this video released
I really don't understand the need to play as Shepard again. They were great, but their story is over and they're most likely dead. Make me fall in love with a new original character that I can customize (probably even more than Shep) and maybe bring back a few squadmates (especially since the game might take place around Andromeda's timeline), but make this new story stand on its own. Give us new backgrounds (make sure they are not only referenced in the beginning) and maybe make us choose our own race so we can get a prologue like in Dragon Age: Origins. Mass Effect is my favorite game series of all time but not shaking things up would feel as disrespectful as changing it too much.
I feel Shepard is mass effect, these games where special and the respect that Shepard earned from everyone was a part of that feeling of playing mass effect. If they are gonna do new characters then make a spin off instead. Mass effect is Shepard
I love Shepard and I do hope we get to play as our character again, but I'm starting to think there will be a new protagonist in ME5, but Shepard will play a role in some form whether we return to the crash of the OG Normandy or we recover his/her body.
I mean tbh I don’t see why Shepard wouldn’t come back? EVERYONE complained about how Shepard didn’t really get a decent ending or closure. So far in the teases it is has been proven that the next game takes place only a few years after ME3, and at the end of ME3 if you choose the perfect destroy ending then he is in fact alive. In the teasers we see a bunch of destroyed reapers so it seems like the destroy ending is going to be the canonical ending (sorry for those who chose the other really stupid options). Shepard also never got a good conclusion to ANY of their romances. Like come on….
@@ifoundmemallet3394 we don't know what's canon yet, as long as it's explained well and not just have shepherd there and 0 explanation ill be fine with it
its like mike is forgetting that veilguard had vets too, until they were all forced to leave or fired. Im encouraged that the leadership is different than VAG, epler and corinne voluntarily made every bad decision that led to that juvenile trash and then blame us for not gobbling it down gratefully. when it sounds like chatGPT wrote ur game, the problem isnt me, mkay? i want them as far from ME5 as possible, and truthfully, it should have been them fired, not all the vets. but, even supposed "different" leadership isnt enough to instill faith in a company that has delivered 3 flops in a row, and is basically unrecognizable from the image they keep trying to cling to. they are selling EA games with a "bioware" sticker for nostalgia bucks. thats it. they dont care about what the actual consumers of their products want. they use us to drum up hype, then they blame us for their failures, and ignore all our feedback. then they have the balls to lie to us and tell us "we'll deliver what we promised u this time, next time, i promise." they dont deserve us anymore. exodus is lookin good tho. larian is cookin. maybe we dont need "bioware" anymore either.
Where were you for Andromeda? If the Shepard Trilogy is done, why wasn't Andromeda properly supported? I want new Mass Effect, but what was done to Andromeda worries me for the future.
@@MrFightmonster118 I like Andromeda. I wanted the game to be fixed and then DLC's to be released. The biggest narrative problem is that people forget or ignore that Andromeda takes place 600 years after Mass Effect 3.
I’ve been talking with a lot of hardcore mass effect fans and content creators recently. We’re all starting to lean on the side that this next game will take place in the Milky Way galaxy but in the time period of Andromeda. We’ve thought of ways that this could be written well too. Perhaps I’ll make a video on it one day. But yes I also wanted DLC for andromeda and was very disappointed that it didn’t. However, even though this next game certainly won’t be Andromeda 2, I expect them to pull on threads from Andromeda several times.
Mass Effect Andromeda has aged quite well all things considered. The game has a pretty fair reputation and I’m happy to see that. I’ve been a fan of Mass Effect Andromeda since day 1 and I’ll never skip in any a Mass Effect playthrough
I think would be cool that Shepards' Kid, she had with Liara, or anyone he/she became partners with would be good to have the kid stars in next mass effect, with mixed looks from both parents looks. Obviously Liara can live for 1000 years, could be set in 50 years or so after the last events of Mass effect 3.
I would enjoy if they maintained kind of "carry over" for save info, like the events that take place in 1 - 3, the companion connections and the deaths of certain characters. It made the series as a whole experience intertwined. Can't wait to see what they do.
@MrFightmonster118 ive seen other theory's that Andromada (which im playing for the first time and enjoying it rn) has a good part to play in the next game. If they keep the choices that the player makes in all games. I feel that will help recreate the Mass Effect essence you talked on.
I’m glad you’re liking Andromeda! I’ve been a fan of that game since Day 1 and I’m so happy to hear that’s it’s being received well by newer fans of mass effect. I personally believe that BioWare will pull on Andromeda threads in the next game, but not that much. The next game will have many more ties to the original trilogy than it will andromeda. If I had to guess, the next game will likely be 85% original trilogy, 15% Andromeda. Which I think is perfectly fine!
In addition to good writing and cinematics hopefully we get more space battles and more control of our ship. Choosing a faction would be cool as well like Alliance/Cerberus/STG or something.
It would be completely bonkers. But space flight is pretty low on my list of things that I think BioWare absolutely needs to nail down with this next game
I hope we get a game relativley early after the reaper invasion. With Shepard alive. I am pretty sure one of the races would betray the others to better their survival. Imagine a bitter war where for example Turians turn on the humans, i bet quarians would side with the humans for giving back their homeworld. Shepard romanced Garrus in mine, wonder how that would go
This is false. The narrative director for the next Mass Effect is Mary De Marle who did not work on Dragon Age at all. She is known for writing Deus Ex and winning “Best Narrative” at the game awards for writing Guardians of the Galaxy
Hey man, as a big mass effect fan I really need some hope that this game may turn out to be better than I think it is. Knowing what bioware has become and the way they did dragon age leaves me uneasy. This game is one of my favorites and ever since dragon age veil guard I’ve tried to let the trilogy go but I can’t simply bc of how much I love it. If your that sure and can provide even more details that someone that actually knows how to write a good game is directing the next mass effect game please let me know
Some more news on the next mass effect game came out today. I have a video scheduled to upload tomorrow morning going over what else we have learned. Again, to me, it is all positive stuff! Come back for tomorrow’s video and let me know what you think. As far as your concerns about the writing, Mary De Marle is the new lead Narrative Direct for the entire next Mass Effect game. She is famously known for writing the Deus Ex games and winning “best narrative” at the game awards for her work on Guardians of The Galaxy. She’s very very talented. Hopefully that helps!
Sadly, as unbelievable as it is after Veilguard I see Bioware making this game being a liability and not an asset. I will be more than happy if they prove me wrong but I no longer believe they are either willing or even capable of doing it.
ME5 is BW's last chance saloon. After MEA, Anthem and Veilguard they really can't afford another flop. Sadly, I think the fanbase is fractured along some pretty fundamental lines that I'm not sure the situation is retrievable. Shepherd or no Shepherd? Either way, the answer to that is going to piss off a significant % of the fanbase. Post-destroy, post-control, post-synthesis ending? Or just ignore it like MEA tried? Either way, again a significant % of the fanbase isn't going to be happy. MW game, Andromeda game, both? Yet again, people aren't going to like any of those options. ME3 timeframe, MEA timeframe, both? And again, lots of folks aren't going to be thrilled however they slice it up. And most of this is still an overhang from ME3's ending and BW's failure to address it ever since. ME5, I hope for the best but expect the worst.
I agree in that either direction they go, people are going to be upset. But that’s how it was going to be anyways now that the Shepard trilogy is over. Although, internally I don’t think BioWare or EA is viewing Veilguard as a flop at all. It journalistically reviewed well and it sold well. Didn’t sell great and it wasn’t anything groundbreaking at all but it was certainly a profitable game, just sold decent.
Mass Effect Trilogy is an emotion for many like myself. It was always going to be difficult to replicate it. Andromeda had a good story but somehow lacked the emotions of the original trilogy which left us disappointed. So if I was leading the new ME, I would stay away from the OG series as the bar is already set too high for me to beat especially considering the Andromeda disappointment. Rather I would develop a new protagonist and tap into those emotions of the OG series. This way I can try and have best of both the worlds where I stay true with the emotions but at the same time have my creative freedom to shape the new ME.
What made mass effect was the writer's. When you played mass and then read the mass effect books, you got lost in the world of mass effect. You know what biowear don't have the 2 original writer's especially Drew karpatian. We know where he is at! I Loved biowear read the books played all the games, matter of fact I loved what biowear used to be. But like all things change happens and sometimes you just have to change along with it, and just leave bad things behind.
After Veilguard I expect nothing from Bioware. Good thing is, from here on I can only be positively surprised. If they don’t get the writing right, it’s over. For me the downfall started with the Citadel DLC where they tried the light tone for the first time.
How tf is the citadel dlc bad? It was just a comedy dlc that is the last experience you can have with the characters of the trilogy. A final farewell to them.
I think DA:V took what was so interesting about previous games (the companions) and made it the whole game. It was soft, immature and made zero sense with Taash. It might be Mike's choice or decision regarding all that depending what EA wants.
Bioware has done nothing but drop the ball every since ME3..... IF the next ME game doesn't have Shepard (as the playable character) and most of the original crew back in the game I'm done with Bioware... I will never spend another cent on any of their games ever again. I don't want to play as Shepard's off spring, a new hero, or anything else... They have got one last chance to give fans want they want or they can choose going bankrupt.
100% agree. This is Bioware's do or die chance. Shepard and the crew of the Normandy MUST be in the next game as the main focus. We need to see Shepard's rescue or at the very least a summation of it, and then full speed into a new adventure as the Milky Way begins to stand on its feet again after the Reapers with sinister tidings of a new (or another extremely old) enemy begins to creep forth.
Haha just trying to temper expectations! I have no idea if shep will be involved in any way in the next game, but I do feel comfortable saying that we will not be playing as them.
Ut was supposed to start its own trilogy, so either this game is loosely connected to andromeda, a technical sequal, or it's own trilogy start up leaving andromeda to be a black sheep, we don't know. But because andromeda was the 4th game, the new game is internally being referred to as me5(sfx5)
This next game won’t be a direct sequel to andromeda at all. But what we do know is that there will be plenty of elements from andromeda seen in this game. (Like the Angara that was shown in the N7 2023 teaser). I and other only call it Mass Effect 5 until a title is announced only because the game will have elements of all 4 previous games in the franchise. Plus it’s literally the 5th Mass Effect game
Bioware just has too much to prove for me to be hyped. I"m open to hear them out and listen to what they have to say and see what they have to show. But I'm just no longer holding my breath. They've have 3 flops in a row. I'm shocked they're even still a studio at this point gen their owned by one of the worst gaming companies in the world.
I wrote an essay of a response to this video, but it was basically a rant, so I greatly condensed it to this. Good video, good point about the Shepard Trilogy. But I wouldn't hold my breath at all. IMHO ME is dead, DA is dead, and Star Wars is dead. All amazing IP's who have been put into uncaring hands who write for shit. Wokeness isn't the problem here, it's bad writing and bad design. DAV suffers from both. DAI, design. ME3, a rushed and horrible ending. The people at Bioware who brought us those amazing games, they don't work there anymore. Last thing. This is what Michael is credited for "Michael Gamble. Producer: Mass Effect. Michael Gamble is known for Mass Effect, Mass Effect 3: Citadel (2013) and Mass Effect 3: Leviathan (2012)." ME1, okay good work bud. But Citadel and Leviathan? One DLC which people remove with a mod? And the other which is used as an epilogue by mods because it's so out of place in ME3? Michael gives me 0 confidence that ME runs in his blood, mostly because of his credits, but partly because he comes off like he is saying Ignore our MASSIVE L with DAV, we won't fuck up ME, trust me bro. Nah bro, I don't trust shit anymore, my favorite IPs have been gutted by over zealous, arrogant and ignorant people for the last 10 years. P.S. I hope it goes well and people enjoy it, but I am 99% sure I am going to pass and it won't be faithful to the Trilogy.
Firstly, thank you for your respectful comment expressing some of your valid concerns! I know you definitely aren’t alone in these thoughts! Here is my attempt to perhaps ease your worries ever so slightly if I can: - The narrative director for this next game is Mary De Marle. She is great! Just recently won the “best narrative” award at TGA for her work on writing Guardians of The Galaxy. And if your issues stem from the writing in games like The Veilguard or Andromeda, this is a brand new writing team completely separate from those 2 projects spearheading this next mass effect game. That makes me feel pretty good for now. -slight corrections on your Gamble credits, he’s done a lot more that than. He was a project director on Mass Effect 2, Associate Producer for all of ME3, Lead Producer on Mass Effect Andromeda, Leas Producer on MELE, and spearheaded the DLCs that you mentioned. Like he says, Mass Effect is in his blood and most of his work on this franchise has been when it’s at its best!
@@MrFightmonster118 I should have looked him to him a bit further before going so hard on him, still not convinced about him though, but maybe I am just reading his tweets wrong, it just hit me odd tbh. Regardless, thanks for your response as well, she does seem competent based on her imdb, Deus Ex is pretty good and I did like Conviction even though it wasn't very true to the Splinter Cell Franchise (Gameplay). And a whole new writing team? That could be good, only time will tell unfortunately. Though my hope meter has went from nonexistent to 1% hopeful haha So either I am going to thank you later or be made that you got my hopes up, jk jk lol I think a lot of my feelings and ideas on not being hopeful for new games stems from getting destroyed so many times by games I was hopeful for. So if I keep my expectations low it won't hurt as much. Sorta silly but here we are. Regardless thanks for taking the time to correct some of what I said and point on some good things about this new "dev team", hopefully at least lol
Yes I’ve noticed that IMDB can be inaccurate a lot of the time when it comes to game dev. Best sources that I look at is either their personal LinkedIn pages or the credits of the video games directly. The writing room isn’t 100% brand new I should have worded that better. The leadership* of the group is completely different but a lot of the minority writers are still the same, like Patrick Weeks for example who did a lot of character writing for both the Mass Effect Trilogy and Dragon Age. But the head of the entire narrative for this next game (being Mary) gives me a lot of confidence in it because I’ve loved her best work in the past (being Deus Ex and GOTG IMO). I understand getting burned by high expectations, we’ve all been there! But I truly believe that this might be BioWare’s last chance at developing a Mass Effect game unless it produces results. So I believe they’ll give it everything they’ve got! Also out of curiosity, what about Gamble’s tweets has you skeptical?
In my opinion the best thing Bioware could do is bring back Shepard even if it would upset some fans (not everyone will ever be happy anyway). Already from a marketing point of view it is obvious. Since 2020 the communication has been done only on the trilogy and Shepard. The legendary edition allowed both to please the fans but also to make new players discover the Shepard arc and thus prepare Mass Effect 4. I think it is perfectly possible that the saves of the legendary edition will be transferable to the next game. And in addition during this N7 day lots of clues referred to Shepard while being linked to the next game. Bringing back Shepard would allow to give a conclusion (and possibly happy) to the Shepard arc that fans have been dreaming of for 12 years. To please those who liked MEA (not my case personally), and this has been confirmed, there will be references to MEA. Given that to bring Shepard back the events must take place shortly after ME3, the fact that the crucible released a significant amount of dark energy into the galaxy could allow the introduction of glass holes (because dark energy creates black holes) and thus link the Andromeda galaxy and free itself from the chronology. This "quantum" vision of ME could be very interesting and open the door to stakes almost at the level of the reapers. I also thought, given Mary Demarle's talent, there might not be a canon ending and depending on your ending choices the beginning of the game (maybe first half hour or hour) would be different. For example if you chose the perfect destruction ending, the Normandy crew saves Shepard and they later discover the appearance of quantum anomalies (lots of clues about this in the 2020 teaser). And if you choose the other endings, the Normandy crew detects the anomalies before and recovers Shepard from a parallel Universe. The possibility would also be that we have the choice between two protagonists. Either Shepard or another. It would require more work but it is feasible and it would actually be the best option. To conclude I hope and I think that Mass Effect 4 will be like a kind of conclusion to the Shepard arc. Allowing to live a last adventure with the characters that we loved and new ones and to have the real ending that we have been asking for so long. A kind of "gift for the fans" opening the door to a totally different sequel perhaps. A solution to start from scratch while pleasing a large part of the fans. I am glad that there are still optimistic people like you. As I repeat many times on my RUclips channel Mass Effect, Veilguard and Mass effect are totally different teams with totally different visions! (Sorry if there are spelling and grammar mistakes but I am French ;) )
Thank you for stopping by and leaving the respectful comment! Your thoughts on this are certainly valid. (And your English is great!) Only thing I would say is that this next game can still give a lot of closure without having Shepard in it. We can still see the aftermath of Shepards choices and still see characters that new Shepard well without necessarily having to have Shepard be there. Additionally, Shepard’s writer is no longer with BioWare. Bringing Shepard back could have some potential to do some irreversible damage to the character and how people view them. Think of what happened to Luke Skywalker in the sequel trilogy.
He called it “The Shepard Trilogy” to distance from My Face Is Tired. If you read that sentence back a few times, how else would you refer to the first three and not include that game?
@ Correct. But you said calling it “The Shepard Trilogy” indicates a possibility that the next game won’t have Shepard. I just don’t think it means anything. Or at least I hope not. Because I need my Sheploo back.
I’m guessing liara, hundreds of years later, finds time travel, goes back in time and finds a way to beat the reapers and saves shepherd. And the andromeda team are involved in some way
@ maybe it’s time to cut Shepherd loose and start something original. Maybe liara carries the torch but does that mean no character customisation? Or keep going with Ryder? Will be interesting to see what direction ME5 goes
Veterans from the trilogy , good... but what we need to know is who is WRITING the next Mass EFfect? Scenario, dialogues ... what will be the tone of the game? Good art is great but as we've seen in DAV, beautiful surroundings with crappy interactions make you wish for good writing with crappy art.
Mary De Marle is the Head Narrative Director for the next Mass Effect game. She is most known for her work on writing the Deus Ex games and most recently winning “Best Narrative” at The Game Awards for Guardians of The Galaxy. Hope this helps!
I love the ME trilogy but I don’t like andromeda I hated the gameplay or the characters . If ME5 goes vailgaurd I won’t buy it. I will be waiting for full reviews from RUclipsrs who reviewed vailgaurd.
The thing is Mass Effect is Shepard and Shepard is Mass Effect
shepard is a character in Mass Effect
I think it needs someone else, a new alliance soldier or agent. I think Shepard needs to rest from saving humanity 3 times.
If you wanna hear my personal take, we’ll be playing as an N7 Intelligence agent working for the shadow broker
@@MrFightmonster118 I want her on the ship though 😅
@@MrFightmonster118 No, @juliecooke5907 is correct, Mass Effect is Shepard's story and without Shepard it's not Mass Effect. We still need the 'one more story.' Andromeda tried and failed miserably to do Mass Effect without Shepard. They tried, they failed. Bring it back to its roots, Shepard, the Normandy and the original crew on a new adventure.
I interpret MG's reference to the Shepard trilogy as an attempt to distinguish it from Andromeda, which does not get as much love. So in answer to the original post, he says he also wants to capture the original trilogy magic.
That’s a great point! Totally could be possible
Except I don’t think they’re going away from Andromeda toooo much in ME5. Gamble already said that the teaser has influences of both
I expect this as well
@@dsan1138 Ha, yah! Anyway, I should have mentioned in my original post that I am a huge fan of Andromeda and Veilguard, almost as much as the original trilogies. I definitely see the cup half full regarding the ME5 message.
Which sucks because the writing for andromeda was good
Good points about comparing what Gamble calls “The Shepard Trilogy” to things like the “Infinity Saga” and “Skywalker Saga”. That does make it sound like that this game won’t be about Shepard
It’s very suspicious
Just Shepard and all the squadmates please..
Don’t hold your breath on exactly that n afraid 😬
I think you’re looking too deep on the “Shepard Trilogy” comment. It might make sense if that was all the ME games that existed but I feel it was more to differentiate between the best ME’s vs Andromeda.
Perhaps. But if one thing is absolutely certain, it’s that Gamble is always very intentional with his words.
Tomorrow morning I have a video coming out covering some more stuff Gamble has said since this video released
I really don't understand the need to play as Shepard again. They were great, but their story is over and they're most likely dead. Make me fall in love with a new original character that I can customize (probably even more than Shep) and maybe bring back a few squadmates (especially since the game might take place around Andromeda's timeline), but make this new story stand on its own. Give us new backgrounds (make sure they are not only referenced in the beginning) and maybe make us choose our own race so we can get a prologue like in Dragon Age: Origins. Mass Effect is my favorite game series of all time but not shaking things up would feel as disrespectful as changing it too much.
Love this take and this is most likely the direction they are going in. (Besides the choose you own race part)
@MrFightmonster118 Yeah that's just wishful thinking, but would be so awesome I feel
Indeed it would be awesome. Luckily we currently have 2 games with great multiplayer modes where we can play as all sorts of different aliens
I feel Shepard is mass effect, these games where special and the respect that Shepard earned from everyone was a part of that feeling of playing mass effect. If they are gonna do new characters then make a spin off instead. Mass effect is Shepard
I love Shepard and I do hope we get to play as our character again, but I'm starting to think there will be a new protagonist in ME5, but Shepard will play a role in some form whether we return to the crash of the OG Normandy or we recover his/her body.
If Shepard were to have a presence in ME5, it would not be as the protagonist if I had to place a bet on it
I mean tbh I don’t see why Shepard wouldn’t come back? EVERYONE complained about how Shepard didn’t really get a decent ending or closure.
So far in the teases it is has been proven that the next game takes place only a few years after ME3, and at the end of ME3 if you choose the perfect destroy ending then he is in fact alive.
In the teasers we see a bunch of destroyed reapers so it seems like the destroy ending is going to be the canonical ending (sorry for those who chose the other really stupid options).
Shepard also never got a good conclusion to ANY of their romances. Like come on….
Mass Effect shouldnt be about Shep...i know Andromeda wasnt recieved well but that shouldnt mean Shep should return
@ No it definitely should he about Shepherd. He has one more story to give us. A TRUE end to his story
@ifoundmemallet3394 so how should they explain sheps survival? Another clone? Just gets out of the rubble and walk away Scott free?
@ Dude in the perfect destroy ending he is confirmed to be alive lmao. The other endings just don’t make sense for shepard anyways
@@ifoundmemallet3394 we don't know what's canon yet, as long as it's explained well and not just have shepherd there and 0 explanation ill be fine with it
its like mike is forgetting that veilguard had vets too, until they were all forced to leave or fired. Im encouraged that the leadership is different than VAG, epler and corinne voluntarily made every bad decision that led to that juvenile trash and then blame us for not gobbling it down gratefully. when it sounds like chatGPT wrote ur game, the problem isnt me, mkay? i want them as far from ME5 as possible, and truthfully, it should have been them fired, not all the vets. but, even supposed "different" leadership isnt enough to instill faith in a company that has delivered 3 flops in a row, and is basically unrecognizable from the image they keep trying to cling to. they are selling EA games with a "bioware" sticker for nostalgia bucks. thats it. they dont care about what the actual consumers of their products want. they use us to drum up hype, then they blame us for their failures, and ignore all our feedback. then they have the balls to lie to us and tell us "we'll deliver what we promised u this time, next time, i promise." they dont deserve us anymore. exodus is lookin good tho. larian is cookin. maybe we dont need "bioware" anymore either.
Those Taash scenes will live on forever in gaming history. I wonder what other they/them monstrosity BioWare is cooking up for ME5.
Where were you for Andromeda? If the Shepard Trilogy is done, why wasn't Andromeda properly supported? I want new Mass Effect, but what was done to Andromeda worries me for the future.
I was there for the release of Andromeda and I really like that game. Newer fans seem to like it too based on how it has reviewed on steam
@@MrFightmonster118 I like Andromeda. I wanted the game to be fixed and then DLC's to be released. The biggest narrative problem is that people forget or ignore that Andromeda takes place 600 years after Mass Effect 3.
@@MrFightmonster118 I enjoyed myself ngl
I’ve been talking with a lot of hardcore mass effect fans and content creators recently. We’re all starting to lean on the side that this next game will take place in the Milky Way galaxy but in the time period of Andromeda. We’ve thought of ways that this could be written well too. Perhaps I’ll make a video on it one day.
But yes I also wanted DLC for andromeda and was very disappointed that it didn’t. However, even though this next game certainly won’t be Andromeda 2, I expect them to pull on threads from Andromeda several times.
Mass Effect Andromeda has aged quite well all things considered. The game has a pretty fair reputation and I’m happy to see that. I’ve been a fan of Mass Effect Andromeda since day 1 and I’ll never skip in any a Mass Effect playthrough
I think would be cool that Shepards' Kid, she had with Liara, or anyone he/she became partners with would be good to have the kid stars in next mass effect, with mixed looks from both parents looks. Obviously Liara can live for 1000 years, could be set in 50 years or so after the last events of Mass effect 3.
This would be cool if romance wasn’t a choice. Believe it or not, there’s some people that don’t do any of the romance content
I would enjoy if they maintained kind of "carry over" for save info, like the events that take place in 1 - 3, the companion connections and the deaths of certain characters. It made the series as a whole experience intertwined. Can't wait to see what they do.
This will be absolutely crucial. I am someone who enjoyed the Veilguard and even I understand that their lack of imported choices was a massive miss
@MrFightmonster118 ive seen other theory's that Andromada (which im playing for the first time and enjoying it rn) has a good part to play in the next game. If they keep the choices that the player makes in all games. I feel that will help recreate the Mass Effect essence you talked on.
I’m glad you’re liking Andromeda! I’ve been a fan of that game since Day 1 and I’m so happy to hear that’s it’s being received well by newer fans of mass effect.
I personally believe that BioWare will pull on Andromeda threads in the next game, but not that much. The next game will have many more ties to the original trilogy than it will andromeda. If I had to guess, the next game will likely be 85% original trilogy, 15% Andromeda. Which I think is perfectly fine!
@MrFightmonster118 sounds good to me too!
Let’s hope!
In addition to good writing and cinematics hopefully we get more space battles and more control of our ship. Choosing a faction would be cool as well like Alliance/Cerberus/STG or something.
I’d be surprised if your faction idea ended up happening. More space battles and more control of the ship, certainly more possible
Space combat with the Normandy would be bonkers...
It would be completely bonkers. But space flight is pretty low on my list of things that I think BioWare absolutely needs to nail down with this next game
I haven’t geeked out like this in awhile. Best news I have gotten in a long time.
If you are referring to the N7 Day 2025 news, I’m quite hyped for that as well!
Bioware please hand over the mass effect series to Larian even sell it to them. If Bioware do Me5 it's going to be another veil guard
Or How is be shepard Ship Normandy SR2? and Where is this ship after ending Mass effect 3?
We don’t no either one as of right now
I hope we get a game relativley early after the reaper invasion. With Shepard alive. I am pretty sure one of the races would betray the others to better their survival. Imagine a bitter war where for example Turians turn on the humans, i bet quarians would side with the humans for giving back their homeworld. Shepard romanced Garrus in mine, wonder how that would go
The writer for dragon age veilguard story will be in charge of next ME which is deeply concerning.
This is false. The narrative director for the next Mass Effect is Mary De Marle who did not work on Dragon Age at all.
She is known for writing Deus Ex and winning “Best Narrative” at the game awards for writing Guardians of the Galaxy
Seems like shepard may come back for the next game
There’s solid evidence showing it going both ways. Hopefully that’s settled this N7 Day!
How is be on mass effect andromeda can bioware repair the game and repair bugs on game? And new story of Shepard with Normandy SR2?
Andromeda is no longer being developed unfortunately. The new story will unlikely revolve around Shepard and the SR2.
Shepard.
Wrex.
Hey man, as a big mass effect fan I really need some hope that this game may turn out to be better than I think it is. Knowing what bioware has become and the way they did dragon age leaves me uneasy. This game is one of my favorites and ever since dragon age veil guard I’ve tried to let the trilogy go but I can’t simply bc of how much I love it. If your that sure and can provide even more details that someone that actually knows how to write a good game is directing the next mass effect game please let me know
Some more news on the next mass effect game came out today. I have a video scheduled to upload tomorrow morning going over what else we have learned. Again, to me, it is all positive stuff! Come back for tomorrow’s video and let me know what you think.
As far as your concerns about the writing, Mary De Marle is the new lead Narrative Direct for the entire next Mass Effect game. She is famously known for writing the Deus Ex games and winning “best narrative” at the game awards for her work on Guardians of The Galaxy. She’s very very talented. Hopefully that helps!
@@MrFightmonster118alright thank u, you’ve earned a new sub
Appreciate the support! If you love Mass Effect purely for what it is, you’re in the right place!
Sadly, as unbelievable as it is after Veilguard I see Bioware making this game being a liability and not an asset. I will be more than happy if they prove me wrong but I no longer believe they are either willing or even capable of doing it.
Even with the fact that the mass effect leads are completely different than the dragon age leads?
I’m thinking the hinting on Shepard. They keep hinting at the name lately.
This is also true. What are they up to 🤔
Maybe you will soon be able to choose between Rider and Shaperd or switch between the two characters? 🤷🏻
I doubt we’ll even see Ryder at all in the next game but this is a cool idea!
ME5 is BW's last chance saloon. After MEA, Anthem and Veilguard they really can't afford another flop. Sadly, I think the fanbase is fractured along some pretty fundamental lines that I'm not sure the situation is retrievable. Shepherd or no Shepherd? Either way, the answer to that is going to piss off a significant % of the fanbase. Post-destroy, post-control, post-synthesis ending? Or just ignore it like MEA tried? Either way, again a significant % of the fanbase isn't going to be happy. MW game, Andromeda game, both? Yet again, people aren't going to like any of those options. ME3 timeframe, MEA timeframe, both? And again, lots of folks aren't going to be thrilled however they slice it up. And most of this is still an overhang from ME3's ending and BW's failure to address it ever since.
ME5, I hope for the best but expect the worst.
I agree in that either direction they go, people are going to be upset. But that’s how it was going to be anyways now that the Shepard trilogy is over.
Although, internally I don’t think BioWare or EA is viewing Veilguard as a flop at all. It journalistically reviewed well and it sold well. Didn’t sell great and it wasn’t anything groundbreaking at all but it was certainly a profitable game, just sold decent.
Mass Effect Trilogy is an emotion for many like myself. It was always going to be difficult to replicate it. Andromeda had a good story but somehow lacked the emotions of the original trilogy which left us disappointed.
So if I was leading the new ME, I would stay away from the OG series as the bar is already set too high for me to beat especially considering the Andromeda disappointment. Rather I would develop a new protagonist and tap into those emotions of the OG series. This way I can try and have best of both the worlds where I stay true with the emotions but at the same time have my creative freedom to shape the new ME.
I think this is the way they should go as well
@MrFightmonster118 Thank You for reading my comment and responding.
Thanks for stopping by!
What made mass effect was the writer's. When you played mass and then read the mass effect books, you got lost in the world of mass effect. You know what biowear don't have the 2 original writer's especially Drew karpatian. We know where he is at! I Loved biowear read the books played all the games, matter of fact I loved what biowear used to be. But like all things change happens and sometimes you just have to change along with it, and just leave bad things behind.
Yeah I miss Drew too. Hyped for exodus tho!
However, the new narrative director and lead writer for the next Mass Effect game is extremely talented
Lets hope so, but I have moved on!
As long as the game isn’t woke, I’ll play it. If it’s like DA, then this game is DOA.
After Veilguard I expect nothing from Bioware. Good thing is, from here on I can only be positively surprised. If they don’t get the writing right, it’s over. For me the downfall started with the Citadel DLC where they tried the light tone for the first time.
I will agree that this game will live or die by the writing. It’s going to be so critical for what they’re trying to do
How tf is the citadel dlc bad? It was just a comedy dlc that is the last experience you can have with the characters of the trilogy. A final farewell to them.
I think DA:V took what was so interesting about previous games (the companions) and made it the whole game. It was soft, immature and made zero sense with Taash. It might be Mike's choice or decision regarding all that depending what EA wants.
Unfortunately it’s too early to tell how they will handle companions for the next ME
Give shapard a rest. Play as liara.
Bioware has done nothing but drop the ball every since ME3..... IF the next ME game doesn't have Shepard (as the playable character) and most of the original crew back in the game I'm done with Bioware... I will never spend another cent on any of their games ever again. I don't want to play as Shepard's off spring, a new hero, or anything else... They have got one last chance to give fans want they want or they can choose going bankrupt.
100% agree. This is Bioware's do or die chance. Shepard and the crew of the Normandy MUST be in the next game as the main focus. We need to see Shepard's rescue or at the very least a summation of it, and then full speed into a new adventure as the Milky Way begins to stand on its feet again after the Reapers with sinister tidings of a new (or another extremely old) enemy begins to creep forth.
Thank for the comment but I am curious, Why does a video game need to have Shepard and the original crew to be good?
I just wanna play my shepard again😂 or play as the kid from Ashley liara maybe tali (idk if they can cross breed lol)
If I had to place a bet on it, I would put a lot of money on us not playing as Shepard again.
@MrFightmonster118 lol yeah ik 🤣 don't burst me bubble
Haha just trying to temper expectations! I have no idea if shep will be involved in any way in the next game, but I do feel comfortable saying that we will not be playing as them.
@@MrFightmonster118 ......One can dream😭💔
For sure! We are currently in the dream stage before they confirm anything!
If the commander isn’t back then why bother? Unless it’s his kid with his love interest
Same reason Halo made Reach without master chief. The opportunity to create more stories in a great fictional universe
Romance is a choice
If I have to fly a ship I won't play it.
But even in the peak of Mass Effect games we weren’t able to fly a ship.
5? Where's 4? Is andromeda 4, not just a filler?
Ut was supposed to start its own trilogy, so either this game is loosely connected to andromeda, a technical sequal, or it's own trilogy start up leaving andromeda to be a black sheep, we don't know. But because andromeda was the 4th game, the new game is internally being referred to as me5(sfx5)
This next game won’t be a direct sequel to andromeda at all. But what we do know is that there will be plenty of elements from andromeda seen in this game. (Like the Angara that was shown in the N7 2023 teaser). I and other only call it Mass Effect 5 until a title is announced only because the game will have elements of all 4 previous games in the franchise. Plus it’s literally the 5th Mass Effect game
Bioware just has too much to prove for me to be hyped. I"m open to hear them out and listen to what they have to say and see what they have to show. But I'm just no longer holding my breath. They've have 3 flops in a row. I'm shocked they're even still a studio at this point gen their owned by one of the worst gaming companies in the world.
Veilguard technically wasn’t a review or sales flop for them at all. But I still understand your concerns
I wrote an essay of a response to this video, but it was basically a rant, so I greatly condensed it to this.
Good video, good point about the Shepard Trilogy.
But I wouldn't hold my breath at all. IMHO ME is dead, DA is dead, and Star Wars is dead. All amazing IP's who have been put into uncaring hands who write for shit.
Wokeness isn't the problem here, it's bad writing and bad design. DAV suffers from both. DAI, design. ME3, a rushed and horrible ending. The people at Bioware who brought us those amazing games, they don't work there anymore.
Last thing. This is what Michael is credited for "Michael Gamble. Producer: Mass Effect. Michael Gamble is known for Mass Effect, Mass Effect 3: Citadel (2013) and Mass Effect 3: Leviathan (2012)."
ME1, okay good work bud. But Citadel and Leviathan? One DLC which people remove with a mod? And the other which is used as an epilogue by mods because it's so out of place in ME3? Michael gives me 0 confidence that ME runs in his blood, mostly because of his credits, but partly because he comes off like he is saying Ignore our MASSIVE L with DAV, we won't fuck up ME, trust me bro. Nah bro, I don't trust shit anymore, my favorite IPs have been gutted by over zealous, arrogant and ignorant people for the last 10 years.
P.S. I hope it goes well and people enjoy it, but I am 99% sure I am going to pass and it won't be faithful to the Trilogy.
Firstly, thank you for your respectful comment expressing some of your valid concerns! I know you definitely aren’t alone in these thoughts!
Here is my attempt to perhaps ease your worries ever so slightly if I can:
- The narrative director for this next game is Mary De Marle. She is great! Just recently won the “best narrative” award at TGA for her work on writing Guardians of The Galaxy. And if your issues stem from the writing in games like The Veilguard or Andromeda, this is a brand new writing team completely separate from those 2 projects spearheading this next mass effect game. That makes me feel pretty good for now.
-slight corrections on your Gamble credits, he’s done a lot more that than. He was a project director on Mass Effect 2, Associate Producer for all of ME3, Lead Producer on Mass Effect Andromeda, Leas Producer on MELE, and spearheaded the DLCs that you mentioned. Like he says, Mass Effect is in his blood and most of his work on this franchise has been when it’s at its best!
@@MrFightmonster118 I should have looked him to him a bit further before going so hard on him, still not convinced about him though, but maybe I am just reading his tweets wrong, it just hit me odd tbh.
Regardless, thanks for your response as well, she does seem competent based on her imdb, Deus Ex is pretty good and I did like Conviction even though it wasn't very true to the Splinter Cell Franchise (Gameplay).
And a whole new writing team? That could be good, only time will tell unfortunately.
Though my hope meter has went from nonexistent to 1% hopeful haha So either I am going to thank you later or be made that you got my hopes up, jk jk lol
I think a lot of my feelings and ideas on not being hopeful for new games stems from getting destroyed so many times by games I was hopeful for. So if I keep my expectations low it won't hurt as much. Sorta silly but here we are. Regardless thanks for taking the time to correct some of what I said and point on some good things about this new "dev team", hopefully at least lol
Yes I’ve noticed that IMDB can be inaccurate a lot of the time when it comes to game dev. Best sources that I look at is either their personal LinkedIn pages or the credits of the video games directly.
The writing room isn’t 100% brand new I should have worded that better. The leadership* of the group is completely different but a lot of the minority writers are still the same, like Patrick Weeks for example who did a lot of character writing for both the Mass Effect Trilogy and Dragon Age. But the head of the entire narrative for this next game (being Mary) gives me a lot of confidence in it because I’ve loved her best work in the past (being Deus Ex and GOTG IMO).
I understand getting burned by high expectations, we’ve all been there! But I truly believe that this might be BioWare’s last chance at developing a Mass Effect game unless it produces results. So I believe they’ll give it everything they’ve got!
Also out of curiosity, what about Gamble’s tweets has you skeptical?
In my opinion the best thing Bioware could do is bring back Shepard even if it would upset some fans (not everyone will ever be happy anyway).
Already from a marketing point of view it is obvious. Since 2020 the communication has been done only on the trilogy and Shepard. The legendary edition allowed both to please the fans but also to make new players discover the Shepard arc and thus prepare Mass Effect 4. I think it is perfectly possible that the saves of the legendary edition will be transferable to the next game. And in addition during this N7 day lots of clues referred to Shepard while being linked to the next game.
Bringing back Shepard would allow to give a conclusion (and possibly happy) to the Shepard arc that fans have been dreaming of for 12 years.
To please those who liked MEA (not my case personally), and this has been confirmed, there will be references to MEA. Given that to bring Shepard back the events must take place shortly after ME3, the fact that the crucible released a significant amount of dark energy into the galaxy could allow the introduction of glass holes (because dark energy creates black holes) and thus link the Andromeda galaxy and free itself from the chronology. This "quantum" vision of ME could be very interesting and open the door to stakes almost at the level of the reapers.
I also thought, given Mary Demarle's talent, there might not be a canon ending and depending on your ending choices the beginning of the game (maybe first half hour or hour) would be different. For example if you chose the perfect destruction ending, the Normandy crew saves Shepard and they later discover the appearance of quantum anomalies (lots of clues about this in the 2020 teaser). And if you choose the other endings, the Normandy crew detects the anomalies before and recovers Shepard from a parallel Universe.
The possibility would also be that we have the choice between two protagonists. Either Shepard or another. It would require more work but it is feasible and it would actually be the best option.
To conclude I hope and I think that Mass Effect 4 will be like a kind of conclusion to the Shepard arc. Allowing to live a last adventure with the characters that we loved and new ones and to have the real ending that we have been asking for so long. A kind of "gift for the fans" opening the door to a totally different sequel perhaps. A solution to start from scratch while pleasing a large part of the fans.
I am glad that there are still optimistic people like you. As I repeat many times on my RUclips channel Mass Effect, Veilguard and Mass effect are totally different teams with totally different visions!
(Sorry if there are spelling and grammar mistakes but I am French ;) )
Thank you for stopping by and leaving the respectful comment! Your thoughts on this are certainly valid. (And your English is great!)
Only thing I would say is that this next game can still give a lot of closure without having Shepard in it. We can still see the aftermath of Shepards choices and still see characters that new Shepard well without necessarily having to have Shepard be there.
Additionally, Shepard’s writer is no longer with BioWare. Bringing Shepard back could have some potential to do some irreversible damage to the character and how people view them. Think of what happened to Luke Skywalker in the sequel trilogy.
He called it “The Shepard Trilogy” to distance from My Face Is Tired. If you read that sentence back a few times, how else would you refer to the first three and not include that game?
Because a lot of the leaders that weren’t at BioWare during MEA are back for this next Mass Effect Game. Like Derek Watts for example.
@ Correct. But you said calling it “The Shepard Trilogy” indicates a possibility that the next game won’t have Shepard. I just don’t think it means anything. Or at least I hope not. Because I need my Sheploo back.
I’m guessing liara, hundreds of years later, finds time travel, goes back in time and finds a way to beat the reapers and saves shepherd. And the andromeda team are involved in some way
If time travel is involved I will be disappointed
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@@jdunne04 The writing needs to be more creative than time travel. I trust the new narrative director for BioWare and I know its good hands
@ maybe it’s time to cut Shepherd loose and start something original. Maybe liara carries the torch but does that mean no character customisation? Or keep going with Ryder? Will be interesting to see what direction ME5 goes
I think we will be a brand new character
Veterans from the trilogy , good... but what we need to know is who is WRITING the next Mass EFfect? Scenario, dialogues ... what will be the tone of the game? Good art is great but as we've seen in DAV, beautiful surroundings with crappy interactions make you wish for good writing with crappy art.
Mary De Marle is the Head Narrative Director for the next Mass Effect game. She is most known for her work on writing the Deus Ex games and most recently winning “Best Narrative” at The Game Awards for Guardians of The Galaxy. Hope this helps!
As much as I love mass effect I do not want current BioWare going anywhere near this series
Even with the leadership team for the next ME being completely different than The Veilguard?
Damn can they just drop an actual trailer or release date or something already?! Been 4 years since the announcement trailer
N7 Day 2025 will be BIG
@@MrFightmonster118mane that’s not till November 🥺
We can distract ourselves with Exodus this year and N7 Day will come up before we know it!
@ yea exodus does look really good
I love the ME trilogy but I don’t like andromeda I hated the gameplay or the characters . If ME5 goes vailgaurd I won’t buy it. I will be waiting for full reviews from RUclipsrs who reviewed vailgaurd.
It’s rare that someone says they didn’t like the gameplay of Andromeda. Thats usually one of the more praised parts of the game
Gameplay of Andromeda is peak mass effect. Weird how you didn't like it.
I agree
T'Soni trilogy anyone? Vakarian, Wrex trilogy anyone?
I think that’s just Mass Effect 1-3
Hope not