So you are saying that a team that won 29 straight shouldn’t be in and the team that beat the best team in the country shouldn’t be in?? If it wasn’t bama no one would have an issue
@@andrewgiegerich8211SEC was weak this year. Bama lost at home and got lucky vs a horrible Auburn team. FSU did everything required to be in the playoff.
@@VaCRAYtion You are not worth a sheet bud. Alabama, Georgia or Texas would mud-stomp you. With all those ACC people in the Committee you still got left out, LOL
FSU, no disrespect to TCU, UCF, Cincinnati, Boise St, or whoever, But FSU is a top 10 program of all time, fanbase, atmosphere, revenue generator, championships, traditions, history. People like me, who are NOT FSU fans just became one, because this is a ridiculous slap in the face to steal the opportunity from a program that finally bounced back, 20-0 streak, played 2 SEC teams this year, 2 last year, won ALL their games. Blew out the #5 LSU team to start the season and held them to nothing in the 2nd half at all until garbage time with freshmen on the field. You cant truly justify putting not one but TWO teams with losses ahead of a team and program as good as FSU. Most level headed bama and texas fans truly thought it came down to just one of them since they EARNED a loss. No one was more on edge than the teams and fanbases of teams with 1 loss when there were three undefeated p5 conference champions ahead of them.... Its an unreal travesty. People saying FSU has no chance obviously didnt watch Michigan play TCU last year. Contrary to ESPN's propaganda on the matter, as time passes, more and more people are joining the FSU side of this debate. It just doesnt make sense.
As an FSU fan, I think they shouldn’t play in the bowl game. But instead of stating that publicly before the game, they should let everyone think they’re playing and show up to the game and the whole team run out in normal clothes and forfeit the game. That way the NCAA can’t choose a different team to play that game and they will lose a ton of money with all the refunds the NCAA will have to give back to the fans who paid for tickets and to companies that paid for advertising for the game. The NCAA can try to blame FSU but FSU will put blame back on them for leaving them out.
FSU's Seminole Tribe backing could very well disappear should the football team surrender on the field without even showing their grit; DO NOT FLOP, SEMINOLES. After all, what's the slogan? UNCONQUERED!!! That lovely, emotive monument outside Campbell Stadium would have to be removed, or at least the title chiseled off and re-engraved "They Surrendered!" Fight on FSU, even tho your institutional face was slapped stingingly and your ego pummeled and bruised.
I had a similar take with my friends. I think Georgia and FSU should have all their fans boycott the game. Work on no ticket sales. Then at the game, do kickoff and instead of the first play from scrimmage, both teams bring out tables, sit and have a nice BBQ meal.
if Georgia or florida state pull any kind of childish stunt they should be excluded from playoff inclusion for a period of time. 5 year probation. they can still compete & get ranked during the season but at the conclusion of the season, they can watch the playoffs on tv like the children they are. if you want to act like a child, be prepared to get treated like one.
@@christopheryounkman6858your not playing for the title so whats the point no shame in not playing its not based on fear its based on a bama biased system
The new “hot take” on this is FSU should go through the practices, get their swag bags, warm up, and then just…not take the field. Let ESPN sit there and talk for 4 hours. I’m a DAWG fan, so I want both teams to play well, and want a good game, but if FSU wants to send the message, that would do it! 🤪🤪🤪
It’s easy to feel like that as a UGA fan. Y’all have won nattys the past two years. FSU went through the lowest of lows and finally have a 13-0 conference champ that was rejected. This decision will limit any ACCs teams ability to to be ranked above big 10 or sec teams with a worse record. This will affect recruiting classes. How many people better the transfer portal. Meanwhile UGA can keep in trucking and immediately compete for a championship next year given they. This is a system where the rich get richer. What’s competitive about that?
The 12 team playoff is going to suck. The people who rigged it this year will simply pack 5 or 6 SEC teams into the playoff and it will reek just as much
Personally I think the committee and ESPN felt if FSU got screwed no one would defend them and this would blow over by Tuesday. They’ve been proven wrong and I think they’re shocked by it.
Not a doubt in my mind they would hose FSU again if they could. ESPN needed that SEC team in for the money. Integrity of the sport was a secondary concern. We’ll hear pitty stories all next season about FSU and the ACC. Ridiculous reporting. ESPN is out to turn college football into the WWE.
You say that but Kentucky the 8th best team beat the 2nd best acc team FSU beat the 5th best sec team in lsu and the 7th or so in Florida Beating Vanderbilt and Florida or whoever they beat isn’t the same as beating Georgia or bama or even Missouri or ole miss
@@ts4426exactly just repeating nonsense but they use head to head but won’t acknowledge Kentucky beating a team that was in the acc championship game The same team Georgia put 50 on
Going 13-0 is a good season ... playoff quality ? Not with last 2 games gaining 224 and 219 yards and w/the 56th toughest schedule in the nation. Why not Liberty ?
Time won’t heal this. Florida State played a whole season and won every game for nothing. This is only going to get louder as we go. It’s a dark day in college football.
WHERE do any rules or guidelines in the CFP choice process state that says a team that "won all its games" deserves to be in? Nowhere. Strength of schedule a paltry 55. Lost their QB. Not one of top 4, and at this point (if ever) not even top 10. This whole pro-FSU agrument is empty. Enough. But enjoy the soul-crushing beat down coming their way against Georgia. Others will be enjoying the epic battle between Bama and Mich.
ESPN talking up a BAD SEC is the only reason that "strength of schedule" is what it is. When Bama struggled against Arkansas and USF... all of a sudden that was a good win.
At least if you kept Alabama out, yes they'd be angry, but... the program/players/coach could all move on, understanding that it was in their control. They could have won that game!!!! And they didnt!!! Instead, they got beat by double digits, at night, in their own house. It's ON THEM. Their control. By leaving FSU out, you have eliminated ON THE FIELD play, control of one's own destiny on the field. Entirely. The program, players, coach, fans... all did everything possible from day 1. They knew the optics of the SEC was biased, so they made sure to schedule traditional powerhouse SEC teams to bolster the resume (schedules made years in adldvance mind you), in UF and LSU. They won every game, 13-0 perfect season, and the conference championship. They share 1 common opponent with Bama, and beat LSU by more points, and held them to less points. By leaving FSU out, you ruin the very integrity of college football... on the field play is done. What your basically saying, is everyone MUST join the SEC to be given the benefit of doubt. All recruits must now pick only two conferences because NOW, they've seen a group of 13 old people behind closed doors will negate on the field play. The end result of this, is join the SEC and don't break a leg. What a great message. So much easier for the nation to accept just dropping the team that LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS AT HOME, instead of screwing a team that has NOT shown they can be beaten. You may THINK they'd lose based on future hypothetical matchups, and that's what this has now come to. Future opinions of hypothetical matchups matter more than on the field play. Just look at Oregon Washington, everyone had Oregon, 10pts favorites... and then they PLAYED ON THE FIELD. Washington was given their chance and proved you all wrong.
Facts💯 and then using a QB injury and telling FSU “you won’t win a national championship” as reasons to keep them out single handedly destroyed the passion for some people. The element of surprise on field is what makes college football what it is🤷🏾♂️💯
@@viniestphoenix6so bama should have been in before the season? Fsu should have been in the garbage bowl or even bowlless in your idiotic and wrong logic
@@palmtreewhisperersays who? They rarely ever play other conferences to prove that. Sure, they look tough against each other, but they play 3 g5 and one FCs team, and then maybe one tough in conf game every year and only 8 games, and only once in a while play a hard ooo game. Whereas all the other conferences have the best teams mostly play each other. Osu, UM, PSU, play every year. FSU, Clem, UT, OU, every year. USC, UW, UO, play every year. Bama rarely plays LSU, TENN, UG every single year. UG doesn’t play LSU, BAMA, TENN, TAM, every year. Once OU and UT are in the SEC, it’ll be hard to only have one tough game every year, and they should move to 9 games. With all that said, here’s what will change everything. The transfer portal, and NIL, and the B1G and B12 have all the rest of the non SEC best power teams will even everything out. CFB has always been cyclical and I expect that things are evening out real soon. Time will tell.
Politicians should've been involved if they are taking tax dollars to put these events on. It should be fair play and consistency involved. This has been a corrupt system since the BCS and even worse for the CFB era.
Florida State was never going to get into the Playoff/Invitational unless there was utter chaos. The committee and 99% of America was betting on FSU stumbling at some point. When they did not the committee went into panic mode after they bet the house and lost. Sucks for the FSU players who came back to win a National Championship and that opportunity was taken away from them.
You ESPN analyst are all about the SEC --You need to take the SEC sausage out of your mouths . ESPN and SEC think they run college football 🏈. Much respect to booger for telling truth .
The problem is people are no good at picking “best”. The experts said TCU had no shot last year and they were wrong. They told us UGA and Oregon were gonna win the SEC and PAC 12 Title games…they were wrong. Until people are better at picking “best”…we need to go with most deserving. Problem is most deserving leaves billions of dollar to chance and we know companies won’t allow that.
agreed. there is no way possible to pick the best team in CFB unless every team plays every team and we know that is impossible. When the committee uses the "best" argument, it really means that the committee can pick any team they want without any objectivity
@@SreyAun-sd1eb Did you see me say anything about the title game? Everyone said TCU had no chance to best Michigan. They beat Michigan…doesn’t matter if UGA beat the 1987-0…they beat Michigan which proves how bad people are at picking games especially this committee as proven by the first year where the worst seed in the field won the whole thing with a 3rd string QB…yet another team everyone said couldn’t win a playoff game. Wrong again. You can’t pick playoff teams based on who you THINK will win…it has to be based on the entire regular season or you have a fancy reality tv show and not a sport.
All the arguments against FSU seem to hold them to the standards of a one loss team. If you scrutinize Washington and Michigan the same way people are FSU, then you suddenly realize, holy cow, any of the top 6 can beat anyone else. Imagine that. FSU got fked.
Well, you're not alone. I'm not an FSU alumni, or even a fan (of FSU).... and I also get more ticked each day. I am a fan of college football and it upset me very much to see the soul of the sport get sucked out.... in the name of "entertainment". Thank you ESPN (not).
It still isn’t as bad as Notre Dame beating Florida State in a head to head, they finish with the same record and Florida State is gifted a national title.
FSU very well might beat Georgia. But it won’t matter, I agree. I don’t think either team is gonna be motivated. It’s meaningless at this point to play that bowl game this year.
As a Bulldogs fan I might be prejudiced, but there is no way that Georgia is not one of the best four teams in the country. And if you are an FSU fan you have to admit that they can't be allowed in without a guy that produces 70% of their offense in the game. If Michigan was forced to play with their entire second string do you think they would be allowed in? Of course not.
@patrickoneill8707 Of course they would. FsUs offense with 2nd and 3rd string QBs actually outproduced Michigan's starting offense. That's the crazy part. Michigan is over rated.
I'm not an F. S. U fan but they got screwed! 😮😢I feel for them player's n fans n administration... Seriously it was wrong on all levels.. I love my ND fighting Irish, but I gotta call a spaid a spaid
We will never forget. What about back in the day when Alabama had the most terrible offenses, but they won championships with Their defense. You guys will never live this down Trying to turn college football playoffs into a ballerina contest
We have snapshots of the Helmets behind Kirk herb Street where he has all four playoff helmets in there before Florida State played the ACC championship game. I think ESPN and Disney caused a lot of harm to the Florida State brand and I think there will be legal reactions to that
You're listing to too much online nonsense. The reason those helmets were behind Kirk in that order is that was HIS prediction of what the committee would do, he predicts rankings every week, the week prior he had FSU's helmet in the 4th spot because that was his prediction for that week. People are trying to make it out to be something that it's not for clicks. All folks have got to do is watch previous shows and you will see week after week the helmets behind him change.
This fixes absolutely nothing. Now we will have 1 loss teams jumping undefeated teams for by weeks and home games. Lets just stop with nonsense. People want to get on tv and tell us how bad fsu qb play is at 13-0 all while ignoring the last month of JJ mccarthy of michigan. He has 1 td pass and hasnt thrown for over 150yds. He had 60yds vs penn state, 141 yds 1int vs maryland, 148 yds 1td vs ohio state and 147yds against iowa. Thats an average of less than 125yds per game the last 4 games. Fsu qb play is so bad they dont even get a chance to play in the playoffs while michigan is the #1 team with their qb play. Fsu was ranked 4th beat a top 14 team by 10 points and dropped a spot. Texas ranked 7th played the16th ranked team in oklahoma state won 49-21 and jumped from 7th to 3rd. . The same oklahoma state team that lost to south alabama 33-7 and ucf 45-3. Lets stop with the foolishness.
Well said. Also, all of it is based completely on subjective opinions and crystal ball palm readings. The only objective fact is three conference champs finished the season undefeated. That's an incredible feat in the p5. Two teams earned a loss. Anything beyond that is limitless mental gymnastics, gaslighting, and "woulda coulda shoulda"..
you know they should allow all conference champions in a playoff type system they can also throw in some wild card types in and do a play in with them they can used December to set it up each year a team gets screwed out of playing for a national championship at least this way they lose it on the field instead of in a board room
Rece wants this playoff to be viewed as legit by everyone so bad. Fact is a lot of damage was done to college football and there is a large segment of fans who will never trust the playoff again. I can assure you…taking FSU and them losing 59-0 wouldn’t have damaged the sport the way the committee trying to predict what FSU would do so they can avoid a bad game…and in the end we may get a bad game anyway. Ain’t life grand. Michigan has it figured out…they cheated for years and played a 2 game season and mo one questions them because they won every game…wait a minute ?!?!?
The problem isnt just the fact that “no good resolution” is gonna come, its the fact that realistically no resolution was even attempted to be made. Multiple possibilities that could have happened with the logistics of room and board being the hardest part to solve but with all the “brilliant minds” making millions behind the scenes none of them are intelligent enough to figure out a way to make it right.
moral of the story- play bad teams and win. DOnt risk playing really good teams. FSU is not in because Clemson, LSU and FLorida were all mediocre this year. If MIlroe had gotten hurt- would Bama have gotten in? No..... it was a confluence of strange that did this, NOt some existential threat to the universal order. SIlly nonsense.
@@stevesetzer3361yea that 6-6 USF team that gave up 54 points to temple is a real powerhouse, Alabama beat them 17-3 , it was 3-3 in the 4th Quarter .
When choosing the most deserving teams, margin of victory should matter when determining the quality of an opponent of a team being considered, but it should not matter for the team being considered itself. For example, Oregon's power rating is still ahead of Washington because Oregon has won most of their games comfortably. So in a ranking based on merit, Oregon's power rating helps only Washington because they beat Oregon twice head-to-head, regardless of the margins. In the case of the Alabama/Florida State controversy, it gets complicated because Texas and Georgia's power ratings are both better than any team on Florida State's schedule, so we haven't seen FSU's ceiling and there is no definitive argument to prove which team is more deserving. My system ranks Alabama slightly ahead of Florida State for the 4th slot; however, in case of these razor-thin differences, I definitely would give FSU the benefit of the doubt and let them keep playing until they lose, as Bill said.
If you don't actually do anything better, you're right, it's all you'll talk about. If I were giving advice, it would be to focus on being deeper at QB.
Oh but I’m sure you forgot the 2000 season when undeserving FSU got in over Washington who had beaten #2 Miami and #5 Oregon st. and had the same record… but washing was a much better team… 🤦♂️
@@pallettown3358 Finally someone brings that up - I remember us west coast/Pac 12 fans being outraged over it, especially hearing the Miami fans bitching because they got screwed bc they had beaten FSU H2H but had no problem with being a spot above UW who whupped the Canes that same year...Oregon got screwed in 2001-02...USC/Utah in 2008...
What happened - @KirkHerbstreit, ESPN and the committee gave FSU the minority report treatment. Predicting future results and excluding FSU based on that prediction. Never mind that unpredictable results happen - like Bama, with bad QB play won a natty in 2010 Rose Bowl v Texas. Common sense media types, players, coaches consider the FSU snub to be obscene: Feldman, Booger, RGIII, Mullen, Brando, Moscona, Crain, Smoak, Desmond, Sherman, Malzhan. The media types cheering the FSU snub have an agenda and that ‘Best’ agenda is and was always fundamentally wrong: Herbstreit, Finebaum, Rece, Barrie, Galloway, Stinchcomb, Doering, Spikes. All shills to protect their brand. Let’s not kid ourselves, the SEC Champ was always getting in, FSU was simply an easy target to make that happen. These people did not anticipate the blowback.
Do you think that it's going to be a 12 team playoff an not 6 or 8 because of the two power 5 schools are joining the sec? To make more room to make the playoffs with in the conference???
The reason why it hasn't died is obvious. A POWER FIVE UNDEFEATED CONFERENCE CHAMPION HAS NEVER BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL (INVITATIONAL) PLAYOFFS!!!!! THAT IS WHY!!!!!
The ACC had two teams in the playoff in 2020. No mention of that, just SEC and BIG. See how this works? Any ACC accomplishments go unspoken by these people. ESPN has a conflict of interest with SEC and ACC. It owes both good faith performance, but only does for the SEC. That is the real basis for a lawsuit vs ESPN regarding the ACC TV contract. And Baylor, TCU or Cincinnati are not FSU. Where does this trying to downplay FSU as a program come from?
I believe the wrong comparison was made by the CFP. It should not have been FSU against Bama; rather the comparison should have been between FSU and Michigan. Just compare the two: 1) Both Michigan and FSU were undefeated and won their Conference; 2) Both were in the top 10 at the start of the season (UM #2; FSU #8); 3) Both had 1 win against a top 5 opponent (UM vs. #2 Ohio State; FSU vs. #5 LSU); 4) Both Michigan and FSU had similar strengths of schedules (UM 53; FSU 55); 5) Both Michigan and FSU had similar winning records against ranked opponents when they played them (UM 3-0 against Penn State, Ohio State, & Iowa; FSU 4-0 against LSU, Clemson, Duke, & Louisville); 6) Both have winning records against teams who are ranked at the end of the season (UM 3-0 against Ohio State, Penn State, & Iowa; FSU 3-0 against LSU, Louisville & Clemson) 7) Both have similar offensive numbers (UM averaged 219 passing yards & 162 rushing yards pre game; FSU averaged 260 passing yards & 157 rushing yards per game); 8) Both had sub-par performances from the QB play against their biggest rivals (UM against OSU in the Big House - McCarthy 148 Passing Yards; FSU against Florida in the Swamp - Rodemaker 134 Passing Yards); 9) Both had sub-par performances offensively in their Conference Championship game (UM had 213 Total Yards of Offense; FSU had 219 Total Yards of Offense. 10) Both played average Conference foes in their Championship Game (UM vs. #16 Iowa; FSU vs. #15 Louisville). The comparisons can go on and on, and if you look at the data, they are very similar; so why did the committee not compare them? This should have been the real debate - between FSU and Michigan; not FSU and Bama. Not sure why that never happened?!?
Georgia only beat Georgia Tech by 8 pts on rivalry weekend lol😂 FSU is in a lose/lose situation. If they lose to Georgia people will say the didn't belong anyways, If FSU wins people will say Georgia wasn't motivated, the game doesn't count. lol The committee killed the ACC & made The Orange bowl is meaningless. The game should be canceled
Agreed, ESPN overplayed their hand. They totally removed the sport from "sports entertainment". The surprising thing is, is how surprised they are at the outrage. Really? They have sucked the soul out of CFB..... duh. There are a couple of ESPN "mouth pieces" who are sticking their necks out there and spouting off about how wrong it is and that it is not "ok" what they did... in the name of "entertaining match-ups". Thank you RGIII, Booger, and Desmond Howard for speaking truth.
The issue with McCord was the fact he had a high powered offense but couldn’t put up the numbers to match….OSU more less had the same offense that should have beat Ga last yr. He’s the only reason OSU isn’t No.1 right now. In my opinion.
All the talking heads are suddenly taking steps back like the cowards they are. Nobody is going, or cares about the Lemon Bowl in Miami. Rodemaker and Glenn are probably on suicide watch after the suits and talking heads have repeatedly with no mercy let them both know that they think they SUCK as football players and QBs. Nice job guys.
ESPN and the CFP committee cheated FSU out of chance over the $$$$ and they continue to kick #13 while he’s down cuz he got hurt. Hope they sleep well at night.
The CFP Committee completely lacked integrity and courage when choosing the teams and potentially F'ed up college football. The games have always mattered in CF. That is what made the sport so attractive. The regular season is a defacto playoff and every game mattered. Bama should have been sitting out and the CFP Committee and the media should have said the loss to Texas had to weigh in. However, the SEC bias came into play.
The formula but not purely the formula because Texas got down voted in 2008 to let OU in even though they beat them to head to head. Committee has to use rules if there are 5 or more conferences champions in the top 6 to determine the bye weeks. Also, the committee gets to use rules to evaluate 10 throw 14 in the formula to determine the last two entries. Then you do NFL type rules to prevent early rematches by similarly ranked teams. Say withing 3 spots.
Nearly every person that works at ESPN didn’t want FSU to make the playoffs with or without Jordan Travis. I saw a video clip showing everybody on the set smiling and laughing when FSU got left out. They traded the integrity of the game for cash
Espn has got to be on nerves about televising this game. Their is no telling what the fans are going to be chanting from the stands, I'm sure the "F" word will be heard loud and clear in the living rooms around the country.
Please stop with the strength of the schedule argument against FSU. LSU and UF having down years is not FSU's fault. I think it is incredibly brave of FSU to put them on their schedule and very few teams would voluntarily put those 2 SEC (historical) titans on a nonconference schedule not knowing what they are going to get.
SEC bias in a year when the ACC beat the SEC 6 -4. FSU beat #5 LSU on the road, and Florida on the road w/ FSU's #2 QB. FSU won their ACC Championship with a 3rd string QB by double digits. How does an undefeated ACC champion lose out to the 1 loss weaker SEC champion, who barely beat out Arkansas at home with Bamas 1st String QB, by merely 3 points, 1/3 of the margin of victory that FSU had beating a top 15 team while starting their 3rd string QB. CFP is officially an SEC proxy, CFP is an abbreviation for Committee for Profit. Disgusting ruling, compared to the heart of a champion FSU displayed all year on the field. Results matter, put FSU in, and remove Alabama. Ohio State should be # 5, they lost to the current #1 Michigan. If not, Committee for Profit is telling all of college football that the regular season is irrelevant. If Any playoff QB gets injured in practice, then FSU takes their place? What sense does that make? CFP is legally liable for additional security on every QB in the playoff, their foolish decision has placed a bounty on every QB in the playoff between now and the first game. Without removing Alabama, this years playoff winner is disqualified due to CFP incompetence. The talking heads don't feel bad for FSU, they are lining their pockets for being biased toward Bama and the SEC. Florida State Seminoles, the heart of a champion!!!!!
Lsu isn’t number 5 😂😂 None of the top 4 sec teams played the acc this year so that point is just not a good one Lsu finished 5th in the sec and played the number 1 acc team Florida was like 7th in the sec played the best acc team You want to talk about head to head?? Kentucky the 8th or 9th best sec team beat the 2nd best acc team and a team that played for the acc championship! FSU scored 1 td on Louisville and Georgia scored 50 on Kentucky nobody that actually watches football thinks Florida state as of now is a top4 team Get over it
LSU was # 5 at the time. SEC is respected for their history, not their 2023 performance. The top teams didn't earn it, they are inflated. Because of leaving FSU out, there is no legitimate national champion this year, the entire playoff is fraudulent. That choice was malicious. College Football does not have a serious playoff system, they just have a tv show goal, nothing else matters.@@andrewgiegerich8211
I’m guessing that he was referring to LSU was ranked 5 when they played fdd FSU . Uga wasn’t playing with 3rd team true freshman quarterback not that it really matters tho. If you want to go down that road then maybe you should think about how bama needed a miracle to win against a 6 win auburn that was destroyed the week before against a mid major. They also had a beat Arkansas by 3 points and let’s not forget about that war they survived against south Florida. I agree with you that fsu is probably not better than bama or uga right now. But football is played on a field not on paper. They won every game and they were playing as good defensively as anyone all season.
All SEC teams were at least not the best team on one Saturday. Also, SEC was very down this year and doesn't even have enough bowl teams to meet their bowl obligations. SEC was even bad to watch this year. CFP sounds pretty lame and Bama Vs Michigan is a snooze-fest. Maybe Michigan will finally win a bowl game since losing to FSU in the 2016 Orange 🍊 Bowl.
The problem is folks like this, folks that say “last year champion should have been Georgia and Michigan….. Why? Michgam literally lost. You never hear this type of ridiculous thought in the NFL playoffs or any other.
I disagree with Stanford Steve, there weren't 5 qualified teams, there were either 3, or 7, but not 5. If the qualification is "undefeated P5" there are 3. If the qualification is "1-loss P5" then there are 7. The only way you conclude there are exactly 5 is if you conclude that Michigan sneaking past Ohio State makes the Buckeyes disqualified, and 'Bama sneaking by Georgia somehow makes the Tide so good they're qualified and the Dawgs aren't. But the only way to come to the conclusion the Committee did is to assume 'Bama is SO MUCH better than Georgia and Michigan is SO MUCH better than Ohio State that the results on the field don't matter.
Stop pushing the narrative that there were more than four deserving teams. There were only three: Michigan, Washington and Florida State. The only team that factually, objectively was wronged was Florida State.
FSU is not undefeated the committee gave them the only loss. I see they was scared of FSU and it's ok, you just underestimated the amount of money they could have bought in
JaLyn Polk, WR1C for Washington IS NOT A portal transfer. The UW portal stars are Michael Penix Jr, Dillon Johnson, Jabber Muhammad, Raylen Goforth, Gerrmie Bernard.
This is about CONTROLLING who played in the playoffs and the BCS era. It's a racket. They could have went to a system that determined outcomes on the field when we left the BCS but instead they went to a 4 playoff because when you judge off of capability and what people think versus how it plays out on the field this stuff continually happens. They didn't change it because they like to have the control of choosing who goes into playoff not letting it play out on the field. They could have fixed this system anytime they wanted but the power and intoxication of control over college football and the money it generates is way more important than the integrity of a football game.
Im old enough to remember 1993. There were two undefeated teams at the end of that season, Nebraska and West Virginia. Guess who got chosen to play Nebraska for the national championship? One loss Florida State was chosen over undefeated West Virginia. Cfb has always been a beauty pageant that cares about style points. Anyway, four teams is not much of a playoff. Next year (when it goes to 12 teams) will be the first year ever that theres a true playoff in d1 cfb.
Number 8 Florida blew out West Virginia. Nebraska went on to win national championships in 94 and 95, but in 93 they lost to FSU. They would've took a 1 loss Notre Dame over you that season.
Ed, I’m actually a Texas fan not a WVU fan. My point is that style points have always mattered in Cfb, good or bad. I know WVU ended up getting blown out. FSU was a better team even with 1 loss. Maybe FSU will get blown out by Georgia with their backup QB?
Dont tell people how they should react. This is not a UCF team playing through a G5 schedule trying to stake a false claim in a national championship. This is a worldwide recognized brand that has won a title more recently than 3 of the 4 schools that were selected. Talk SOS whatever you want but FSU has played the same conference for decades and going undefeated was always enough, even when there were only 2 teams. This was a money/views and clicks move, not only for the playoffs but all the content that gets spun in the backlash as well. Just be honest so we know what we’re dealing with in the future.
@@andrewgiegerich8211 2 SEC Teams, a Top14 team in the ACC championship which was a higher opponent than Michigan and Texas played. Clemson that beat 2 other ranked teams in ND and UNC, Duke which was a 1 loss team when they played us before their QB got hurt. (Although FSU still went 3-0 after JT got hurt) Miami (who also beat another SEC team that had one of the most loaded rosters)
@@andrewgiegerich8211 if you believe Texas *AND* Bama (instead of one or the other) should have been in then so be it that’s your opinion but Louisville had one of the most explosive offenses in the country this season and like a TOP15 Defense. FSU won with an 18yo true freshman at QB who had about 10 snaps all season. It was never gonna be pretty the name of the game is to win. That feat in itself shows how complete the team is.
@@JackpotJ their best win is against a 3 loss team LSU which would be bamas 3rd best win Bama beat 12-1 Georgia 11-2 ole miss and 9-3 lsu Kentucky the 8th ranked sec team beat the team fsu played in the acc championship Florida states 3 best wins # 13 lsu 9-3 # 15 Louisville 10-2 lost to Kentucky 7-5 and 3-9 Pitt lol 😂 they shouldn’t be # 15 to begin with # 23 Clemson that took FSU to overtime but lost to the 6th ranked sec team Tennessee 31-14 Arguing that FSU should be in for playing cupcakes all year and is more deserving is just ignorant
Go ahead and get your excuses and your cover-up story ready.there’s a reason why you guys kept Florida State #4 the whole time because you planned on doing this and we’re gonna prove it
They need to get out of the broken down ACC" and start to play top competition, just like you all told Boise state" because there is no where in the rules book, where it says you have to go undefeated to play for a title"
Dont worry they can feel however they want, and see they thought everybody was just gonna get over in a few days now we got politicians involved now they nervous because Rick scott and DeSantis not giving up until they answer!
Im a Ga fan and I hope FSU beats Ga by more than a field goal, I also hope Michigan runs over Alabama. The committee was doing just fine until the very end. If they wanted an SEC team in the playoffs they should’ve kept FSU at 4 and picked between Texas and Alabama at 3. Picking a team that beat the number 1 team in the nation as an excuse to put Alabama in over Texas would’ve been a heck of a lot less controversy then taking FSU out.
Ask yourself why have they not made a system that plays itself out on the field like the pros? Because they can control who they want to win by choosing the dogs in the fight. And you can do that when you set a ranking system up based on the capability of the athletic talent on the team versus how the team actually plays on the field. Because of the bias around capability (five-star talent). Teams aren't even given an opportunity because they're not deemed worthy enough to be able to play because they are not as talent laden as other teams but the talent capable teams don't play as well or are not at undefeated. The integrity of this game has been gone for over 15 years.
Really, I played for UGA , football. Don’t care for Alabama. But if you guys think that Michigan has any kind of a chance against Alabama you’re living in an alternate state of reality I mean come on guys, REALLY! I have not heard one comment about GA. They were beat up more than I thought and I thought I knew what was happening. Snd if , if , if. If GA was healthy. It would have been a different game. I don’t like Alabama, but I respect them. And these guys that pick the four games so they don’t go to the games they don’t go out in the field. It’s hilarious. They shouldn’t be picking from the menu as pertains to what they want for dinner one AA, has a 4:334:40 16 team playoff for years. Works perfect. Dumbest ! Smart people I have listened too in a long time! Thanks!
FCS has been on 24 for a while, D2 has 28 and D3 has 32. All with the standard "win your conference and you get a shot at the title" method that literally every sport uses.
Does anyone remember the system before the playoffs? How awful it was? At least now we get as close as we can to the four best teams. This debate is ridiculous
It's not ridiculous, we didn't get the best 4 teams, or the 4 most deserving. We got neither. And a conference champion, 13-0 p5 team with multiple top 25 wins just got told they may as well be North Idaho Community College
The debate is NOT ridiculous. The problem is that the CFP effectively CHANGED their criteria. That is the problem that ESPN does NOT want to address, because the reason that the CFP changed its criteria without explicitly telling anyone was ESPN.
@@terryfox9344 no, they actually finally did what they said they would do, put the four best teams in the playoffs… Not the four teams with the best records
I sincerely hope that College Gameday is henceforth banned from Tallahassee, but FSU doesn’t have the stones to stay with something like that. They should have boycotted this horrible sham, but didn’t, so now they bring a team into this that is damned near void of any player that was on the ACC Championship squad. Thanks again, eSECpn, in less than 8 mos, you have killed the most iconic bowl game in the history of sport, the Rose Bowl, you have e facilitated the possible death of the ACC, and continue to make the NBA UNWATCHABLE.
Emergency 6 team playoff! Winner of Texas vs Georgia faces Washington and winner of FSU and Bama faces Michigan. Its not perfect, but at least its fair
No way Daniels doesn’t win the Heisman. He’s got Heisman stats for basically two positions. Not only does he have 3,800 yard passing but also almost 1,200 yards rushing with 50 touchdowns. He’s definitely your winner.
Why are guys still playing COLLEGE football six or seven years after matriculating? I think my grandfather, who was born in 1882 (not kidding) might have some eligibility left as well. I think he should enter the portal!
Because they are still in College. The ancient times where college was a 4 year program went away with the Roman chariots. Now college is completed in anywhere from 2 to 10 years.
@@BreakingNVainWhy question someone who knows nothing about college football? The poor state of Alabama has more money than the state of Florida. That’s a total joke. 😂
@@ArtLee68 while I agree with the first half of your comment, do you actually think that Florida state has more money than the University of alabama? It's not a comparison of which state has more money. It's a comparison of which university has more money. And I have no idea how much money Florida State has. But if I find out Florida state has more money than the University of Alabama then I'll be absolutely shocked.
Why is Michigan not scrutinized? Weak schedule, 1 win against an average OHS? They’ve underperformed against TCU and Georgia. Northeast media bias, no doubt.
ESPN/SEC: “We’re so proud of our product please view it as legit.”
Non-SEC fans: “Nah its rigged”.
So you are saying that a team that won 29 straight shouldn’t be in and the team that beat the best team in the country shouldn’t be in?? If it wasn’t bama no one would have an issue
@@andrewgiegerich8211SEC was weak this year. Bama lost at home and got lucky vs a horrible Auburn team. FSU did everything required to be in the playoff.
@@andrewgiegerich8211Georgia was more deserving than bama and Texas. Noles more deserving than all 3
@@VaCRAYtion You are not worth a sheet bud. Alabama, Georgia or Texas would mud-stomp you. With all those ACC people in the Committee you still got left out, LOL
@@MrRondonmondo you think that or you know that?
FSU getting punished for beating a top 15 10 win Louisville team by only 10 points without their QB is wild!
Without their top 2 QBs
So Bama beating a 6-6 team last second is so much better?
@@daddio159 it's literally not...we got screwed
FSU, no disrespect to TCU, UCF, Cincinnati, Boise St, or whoever,
But FSU is a top 10 program of all time, fanbase, atmosphere, revenue generator, championships, traditions, history.
People like me, who are NOT FSU fans just became one, because this is a ridiculous slap in the face to steal the opportunity from a program that finally bounced back, 20-0 streak, played 2 SEC teams this year, 2 last year, won ALL their games. Blew out the #5 LSU team to start the season and held them to nothing in the 2nd half at all until garbage time with freshmen on the field.
You cant truly justify putting not one but TWO teams with losses ahead of a team and program as good as FSU.
Most level headed bama and texas fans truly thought it came down to just one of them since they EARNED a loss. No one was more on edge than the teams and fanbases of teams with 1 loss when there were three undefeated p5 conference champions ahead of them....
Its an unreal travesty. People saying FSU has no chance obviously didnt watch Michigan play TCU last year.
Contrary to ESPN's propaganda on the matter, as time passes, more and more people are joining the FSU side of this debate. It just doesnt make sense.
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Totally agree 💯. Thank you for joining our FSU fan base. Welcome aboard the chaotic train.
@@amethystpisces7284Go Florida State 🐻🏈 I am Fan
@@sebazelaya3445 😇🥰😍🤩😘
@@amethystpisces7284 My name Is Seba What Is your Name
As an FSU fan, I think they shouldn’t play in the bowl game. But instead of stating that publicly before the game, they should let everyone think they’re playing and show up to the game and the whole team run out in normal clothes and forfeit the game. That way the NCAA can’t choose a different team to play that game and they will lose a ton of money with all the refunds the NCAA will have to give back to the fans who paid for tickets and to companies that paid for advertising for the game. The NCAA can try to blame FSU but FSU will put blame back on them for leaving them out.
FSU's Seminole Tribe backing could very well disappear should the football team surrender on the field without even showing their grit; DO NOT FLOP, SEMINOLES. After all, what's the slogan? UNCONQUERED!!! That lovely, emotive monument outside Campbell Stadium would have to be removed, or at least the title chiseled off and re-engraved "They Surrendered!" Fight on FSU, even tho your institutional face was slapped stingingly and your ego pummeled and bruised.
I had a similar take with my friends. I think Georgia and FSU should have all their fans boycott the game. Work on no ticket sales. Then at the game, do kickoff and instead of the first play from scrimmage, both teams bring out tables, sit and have a nice BBQ meal.
You don't teach the kids to quit when things don't go your way!! NOLE FOR LIFE!!
if Georgia or florida state pull any kind of childish stunt
they should be excluded from playoff inclusion for a period of time. 5 year probation.
they can still compete & get ranked during the season
but at the conclusion of the season, they can watch the playoffs on tv like the children they are.
if you want to act like a child, be prepared to get treated like one.
@@christopheryounkman6858your not playing for the title so whats the point no shame in not playing its not based on fear its based on a bama biased system
The new “hot take” on this is FSU should go through the practices, get their swag bags, warm up, and then just…not take the field. Let ESPN sit there and talk for 4 hours. I’m a DAWG fan, so I want both teams to play well, and want a good game, but if FSU wants to send the message, that would do it! 🤪🤪🤪
It’s easy to feel like that as a UGA fan. Y’all have won nattys the past two years. FSU went through the lowest of lows and finally have a 13-0 conference champ that was rejected. This decision will limit any ACCs teams ability to to be ranked above big 10 or sec teams with a worse record. This will affect recruiting classes. How many people better the transfer portal. Meanwhile UGA can keep in trucking and immediately compete for a championship next year given they. This is a system where the rich get richer. What’s competitive about that?
The 12 team playoff is going to suck. The people who rigged it this year will simply pack 5 or 6 SEC teams into the playoff and it will reek just as much
Personally I think the committee and ESPN felt if FSU got screwed no one would defend them and this would blow over by Tuesday. They’ve been proven wrong and I think they’re shocked by it.
Thank you. Literally every outlet outside ESPN says it was WRONG!
Are you really a canes fan??? If you are you’re one of the good ones, you use your brain. Thank you sir
Aman sir 😊
@@850UKNW Right is right
Not a doubt in my mind they would hose FSU again if they could. ESPN needed that SEC team in for the money. Integrity of the sport was a secondary concern. We’ll hear pitty stories all next season about FSU and the ACC. Ridiculous reporting. ESPN is out to turn college football into the WWE.
The SEC basically kind of sucked this year. They had a losing record against other Power 5 teams and only won 4 out of 10 against the ACC
Lazy take, but I expect nothing less.
Facts DO NOT care about your panzy feelings!@@ts4426
You say that but Kentucky the 8th best team beat the 2nd best acc team
FSU beat the 5th best sec team in lsu and the 7th or so in Florida
Beating Vanderbilt and Florida or whoever they beat isn’t the same as beating Georgia or bama or even Missouri or ole miss
@@ts4426exactly just repeating nonsense but they use head to head but won’t acknowledge Kentucky beating a team that was in the acc championship game
The same team Georgia put 50 on
@@andrewgiegerich8211 23-31….that was the score in the UGA vs GT game. And where did GT finish in the ACC?
Rece Davis got offended really quick when he said FSU is correct about corruption in the committees choices. 😂😂
He’s an Alabama fan lol. Of course he did.
Congratulations FSU on a great Season 13-0!! Go Noles 🔥🔥🔥
Going 13-0 is a good season ... playoff quality ? Not with last 2 games gaining 224 and 219 yards and w/the 56th toughest schedule in the nation. Why not Liberty ?
@@johnnaylor1706 Respect Liberty🫡 they had a great group of 5 season
Espn frauds. Go noles!
Time won’t heal this. Florida State played a whole season and won every game for nothing. This is only going to get louder as we go. It’s a dark day in college football.
WHERE do any rules or guidelines in the CFP choice process state that says a team that "won all its games" deserves to be in? Nowhere. Strength of schedule a paltry 55. Lost their QB. Not one of top 4, and at this point (if ever) not even top 10. This whole pro-FSU agrument is empty. Enough. But enjoy the soul-crushing beat down coming their way against Georgia. Others will be enjoying the epic battle between Bama and Mich.
@@e.directmarketing932best response I’ve seen. Absolutely spitting
@e.directmarketing932 If Alabama had the exact same season as FSU, would they not make the playoffs too? What about Georgia? LSU? See the point?
@@nowayjose1313: If Bama went 13-0 they’d absolutely get in without question. The quality of teams in the acc just doesn’t compare to the sec!
ESPN talking up a BAD SEC is the only reason that "strength of schedule" is what it is. When Bama struggled against Arkansas and USF... all of a sudden that was a good win.
At least if you kept Alabama out, yes they'd be angry, but... the program/players/coach could all move on, understanding that it was in their control. They could have won that game!!!! And they didnt!!! Instead, they got beat by double digits, at night, in their own house. It's ON THEM. Their control.
By leaving FSU out, you have eliminated ON THE FIELD play, control of one's own destiny on the field. Entirely. The program, players, coach, fans... all did everything possible from day 1. They knew the optics of the SEC was biased, so they made sure to schedule traditional powerhouse SEC teams to bolster the resume (schedules made years in adldvance mind you), in UF and LSU. They won every game, 13-0 perfect season, and the conference championship. They share 1 common opponent with Bama, and beat LSU by more points, and held them to less points.
By leaving FSU out, you ruin the very integrity of college football... on the field play is done. What your basically saying, is everyone MUST join the SEC to be given the benefit of doubt. All recruits must now pick only two conferences because NOW, they've seen a group of 13 old people behind closed doors will negate on the field play. The end result of this, is join the SEC and don't break a leg. What a great message. So much easier for the nation to accept just dropping the team that LOST BY DOUBLE DIGITS AT HOME, instead of screwing a team that has NOT shown they can be beaten. You may THINK they'd lose based on future hypothetical matchups, and that's what this has now come to. Future opinions of hypothetical matchups matter more than on the field play. Just look at Oregon Washington, everyone had Oregon, 10pts favorites... and then they PLAYED ON THE FIELD. Washington was given their chance and proved you all wrong.
1000%
It’s very simple, it’s the four best teams in the college football playoff, Florida State was not one of the four best teams, Alabama was, get over it
Facts 💯🍢
Facts💯 and then using a QB injury and telling FSU “you won’t win a national championship” as reasons to keep them out single handedly destroyed the passion for some people. The element of surprise on field is what makes college football what it is🤷🏾♂️💯
@@viniestphoenix6so bama should have been in before the season? Fsu should have been in the garbage bowl or even bowlless in your idiotic and wrong logic
I’m no FSU fan, but they aren’t wrong in thinking they’re is a major SEC bias and it absolutely played a part in the committees decision
It's simple. They have a tougher schedule. Not sure why people are OVER thinking it 😅
If Bama don't win it all its gonna look bad for so many people.
@@palmtreewhisperersays who? They rarely ever play other conferences to prove that. Sure, they look tough against each other, but they play 3 g5 and one FCs team, and then maybe one tough in conf game every year and only 8 games, and only once in a while play a hard ooo game. Whereas all the other conferences have the best teams mostly play each other. Osu, UM, PSU, play every year. FSU, Clem, UT, OU, every year. USC, UW, UO, play every year. Bama rarely plays LSU, TENN, UG every single year. UG doesn’t play LSU, BAMA, TENN, TAM, every year. Once OU and UT are in the SEC, it’ll be hard to only have one tough game every year, and they should move to 9 games. With all that said, here’s what will change everything. The transfer portal, and NIL, and the B1G and B12 have all the rest of the non SEC best power teams will even everything out. CFB has always been cyclical and I expect that things are evening out real soon. Time will tell.
Its not even a sec bias its a bama bias
@@carter7944 and I don’t get it. It’s a horrible place to live lol.
CFP stands for College Football Pageant.
it is a beauty contest
Stop calling it a playoff. It is nothing more than an invitational.
100%
Rece Was one of the main ones lobbying for FSU to get left out.
He's a F'n 🐍
Good 👏🏼
Politicians should've been involved if they are taking tax dollars to put these events on. It should be fair play and consistency involved. This has been a corrupt system since the BCS and even worse for the CFB era.
Florida State was never going to get into the Playoff/Invitational unless there was utter chaos. The committee and 99% of America was betting on FSU stumbling at some point. When they did not the committee went into panic mode after they bet the house and lost. Sucks for the FSU players who came back to win a National Championship and that opportunity was taken away from them.
You ESPN analyst are all about the SEC --You need to take the SEC sausage out of your mouths . ESPN and SEC think they run college football 🏈. Much respect to booger for telling truth .
The problem is people are no good at picking “best”. The experts said TCU had no shot last year and they were wrong. They told us UGA and Oregon were gonna win the SEC and PAC 12 Title games…they were wrong. Until people are better at picking “best”…we need to go with most deserving. Problem is most deserving leaves billions of dollar to chance and we know companies won’t allow that.
agreed. there is no way possible to pick the best team in CFB unless every team plays every team and we know that is impossible. When the committee uses the "best" argument, it really means that the committee can pick any team they want without any objectivity
Did you miss 65-7
Yea TCU 65-7
@@SreyAun-sd1eb Did you see me say anything about the title game? Everyone said TCU had no chance to best Michigan. They beat Michigan…doesn’t matter if UGA beat the 1987-0…they beat Michigan which proves how bad people are at picking games especially this committee as proven by the first year where the worst seed in the field won the whole thing with a 3rd string QB…yet another team everyone said couldn’t win a playoff game. Wrong again. You can’t pick playoff teams based on who you THINK will win…it has to be based on the entire regular season or you have a fancy reality tv show and not a sport.
@@SreyAun-sd1ebdid you miss 44-14 Clemson smacking Alabama. Guess it was ok then though because it's Alabama.Stfu
All the arguments against FSU seem to hold them to the standards of a one loss team.
If you scrutinize Washington and Michigan the same way people are FSU, then you suddenly realize, holy cow, any of the top 6 can beat anyone else. Imagine that. FSU got fked.
I think Will Smith would have slapped that smirk right off Joeys face
As an FSU alumni, I get more pissed and ticked off with each passing day…
Well, you're not alone. I'm not an FSU alumni, or even a fan (of FSU).... and I also get more ticked each day. I am a fan of college football and it upset me very much to see the soul of the sport get sucked out.... in the name of "entertainment". Thank you ESPN (not).
FSU got screwed
Historically screwed.
Facts brother
It still isn’t as bad as Notre Dame beating Florida State in a head to head, they finish with the same record and Florida State is gifted a national title.
FSU very well might beat Georgia. But it won’t matter, I agree. I don’t think either team is gonna be motivated. It’s meaningless at this point to play that bowl game this year.
As a Bulldogs fan I might be prejudiced, but there is no way that Georgia is not one of the best four teams in the country.
And if you are an FSU fan you have to admit that they can't be allowed in without a guy that produces 70% of their offense in the game. If Michigan was forced to play with their entire second string do you think they would be allowed in? Of course not.
@patrickoneill8707
Of course they would. FsUs offense with 2nd and 3rd string QBs actually outproduced Michigan's starting offense. That's the crazy part. Michigan is over rated.
@@griftinggamer I agree that Michigan is overrated. If Alabama loses to them I'm going to be so pissed. Especially since Alabama just beat my team.
Georgia might blow out FSU guy 😂
@@palmtreewhisperer
And it absolutely doesn't matter. The starting lineups for both teams ain't playing
I love how the clowns from ESPN try to explain why Florida State didn’t get screwed. I’m a Georgia fan, we lost so I have no dog in the fight.
I'm not an F. S. U fan but they got screwed! 😮😢I feel for them player's n fans n administration... Seriously it was wrong on all levels.. I love my ND fighting Irish, but I gotta call a spaid a spaid
We will never forget. What about back in the day when Alabama had the most terrible offenses, but they won championships with Their defense. You guys will never live this down Trying to turn college football playoffs into a ballerina contest
We have snapshots of the Helmets behind Kirk herb Street where he has all four playoff helmets in there before Florida State played the ACC championship game. I think ESPN and Disney caused a lot of harm to the Florida State brand and I think there will be legal reactions to that
You're listing to too much online nonsense. The reason those helmets were behind Kirk in that order is that was HIS prediction of what the committee would do, he predicts rankings every week, the week prior he had FSU's helmet in the 4th spot because that was his prediction for that week. People are trying to make it out to be something that it's not for clicks. All folks have got to do is watch previous shows and you will see week after week the helmets behind him change.
everyone gets a trophy, huh? FSU is not in the playoff because they look trash without their QB. It really is that simple.
@@jimmyc1518
Yea, but he predicted this in October before the terrible Auburn game, and before Jordan Travis got hurt.
@@brianbarrentine9228
That defense was anything but trash
@@griftinggamer that defense didn't help much putting up those 55 passing yards, ehhh
This fixes absolutely nothing. Now we will have 1 loss teams jumping undefeated teams for by weeks and home games. Lets just stop with nonsense. People want to get on tv and tell us how bad fsu qb play is at 13-0 all while ignoring the last month of JJ mccarthy of michigan. He has 1 td pass and hasnt thrown for over 150yds. He had 60yds vs penn state, 141 yds 1int vs maryland, 148 yds 1td vs ohio state and 147yds against iowa. Thats an average of less than 125yds per game the last 4 games. Fsu qb play is so bad they dont even get a chance to play in the playoffs while michigan is the #1 team with their qb play. Fsu was ranked 4th beat a top 14 team by 10 points and dropped a spot. Texas ranked 7th played the16th ranked team in oklahoma state won 49-21 and jumped from 7th to 3rd. . The same oklahoma state team that lost to south alabama 33-7 and ucf 45-3. Lets stop with the foolishness.
Well said. Also, all of it is based completely on subjective opinions and crystal ball palm readings.
The only objective fact is three conference champs finished the season undefeated. That's an incredible feat in the p5. Two teams earned a loss.
Anything beyond that is limitless mental gymnastics, gaslighting, and "woulda coulda shoulda"..
Both Army-Navy play with so much nervous energy in the 1st Quarter that it takes a while to settle down.
you know they should allow all conference champions in a playoff type system they can also throw in some wild card types in and do a play in with them they can used December to set it up each year a team gets screwed out of playing for a national championship at least this way they lose it on the field instead of in a board room
Rece wants this playoff to be viewed as legit by everyone so bad. Fact is a lot of damage was done to college football and there is a large segment of fans who will never trust the playoff again. I can assure you…taking FSU and them losing 59-0 wouldn’t have damaged the sport the way the committee trying to predict what FSU would do so they can avoid a bad game…and in the end we may get a bad game anyway. Ain’t life grand. Michigan has it figured out…they cheated for years and played a 2 game season and mo one questions them because they won every game…wait a minute ?!?!?
The problem isnt just the fact that “no good resolution” is gonna come, its the fact that realistically no resolution was even attempted to be made. Multiple possibilities that could have happened with the logistics of room and board being the hardest part to solve but with all the “brilliant minds” making millions behind the scenes none of them are intelligent enough to figure out a way to make it right.
Bottom line with no BS Alabama, and Texas earned those losses and Florida State earned every win.
And still no one cares that matters
moral of the story- play bad teams and win. DOnt risk playing really good teams. FSU is not in because Clemson, LSU and FLorida were all mediocre this year. If MIlroe had gotten hurt- would Bama have gotten in? No..... it was a confluence of strange that did this, NOt some existential threat to the universal order. SIlly nonsense.
@@stevesetzer3361yea that 6-6 USF team that gave up 54 points to temple is a real powerhouse, Alabama beat them 17-3 , it was 3-3 in the 4th Quarter .
Resumes have absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand!.
F Florida State
When choosing the most deserving teams, margin of victory should matter when determining the quality of an opponent of a team being considered, but it should not matter for the team being considered itself. For example, Oregon's power rating is still ahead of Washington because Oregon has won most of their games comfortably. So in a ranking based on merit, Oregon's power rating helps only Washington because they beat Oregon twice head-to-head, regardless of the margins. In the case of the Alabama/Florida State controversy, it gets complicated because Texas and Georgia's power ratings are both better than any team on Florida State's schedule, so we haven't seen FSU's ceiling and there is no definitive argument to prove which team is more deserving. My system ranks Alabama slightly ahead of Florida State for the 4th slot; however, in case of these razor-thin differences, I definitely would give FSU the benefit of the doubt and let them keep playing until they lose, as Bill said.
margin of victory is hogwash really. even the bcs took it out of their formula. teams sit starters if there is maybe a blowout.
As Florida State alumni and fans, we’ll never get over this… and we’ll never forget it and never we’ll never let this go.
I agree because the auburn fans around here still talk about 1993
If you don't actually do anything better, you're right, it's all you'll talk about. If I were giving advice, it would be to focus on being deeper at QB.
You'll get over it as soon as next year starts
Oh but I’m sure you forgot the 2000 season when undeserving FSU got in over Washington who had beaten #2 Miami and #5 Oregon st. and had the same record… but washing was a much better team… 🤦♂️
@@pallettown3358 Finally someone brings that up - I remember us west coast/Pac 12 fans being outraged over it, especially hearing the Miami fans bitching because they got screwed bc they had beaten FSU H2H but had no problem with being a spot above UW who whupped the Canes that same year...Oregon got screwed in 2001-02...USC/Utah in 2008...
What happened - @KirkHerbstreit, ESPN and the committee gave FSU the minority report treatment. Predicting future results and excluding FSU based on that prediction. Never mind that unpredictable results happen - like Bama, with bad QB play won a natty in 2010 Rose Bowl v Texas.
Common sense media types, players, coaches consider the FSU snub to be obscene: Feldman, Booger, RGIII, Mullen, Brando, Moscona, Crain, Smoak, Desmond, Sherman, Malzhan.
The media types cheering the FSU snub have an agenda and that ‘Best’ agenda is and was always fundamentally wrong: Herbstreit, Finebaum, Rece, Barrie, Galloway, Stinchcomb, Doering, Spikes. All shills to protect their brand.
Let’s not kid ourselves, the SEC Champ was always getting in, FSU was simply an easy target to make that happen. These people did not anticipate the blowback.
4:21 exactly!!!!! Performance doesn’t beat results!!
You don't need a committee. Just run the formulas.
Yup and Florida State still gets left out , sorry 😂
If Florida State beats Georgia then they can claim the national championship.
True
dude if we beat Georgia we're claiming the World Championship.
If Kentucky was in the acc they would be 10-2 probably they beat Louisville btw
@@andrewgiegerich8211who cares. If FSU wins they can claim a co title for sure. That’s what the committee did. I’m not an fsu fan either
Make this year an emergency 6 team playoff. Michigan and Washington get a bye.
You….get a grip.😂🤣😂
Do you think that it's going to be a 12 team playoff an not 6 or 8 because of the two power 5 schools are joining the sec? To make more room to make the playoffs with in the conference???
The reason why it hasn't died is obvious. A POWER FIVE UNDEFEATED CONFERENCE CHAMPION HAS NEVER BEEN LEFT OUT OF THE COLLEGE FOOTBALL (INVITATIONAL) PLAYOFFS!!!!! THAT IS WHY!!!!!
The ACC had two teams in the playoff in 2020. No mention of that, just SEC and BIG. See how this works? Any ACC accomplishments go unspoken by these people. ESPN has a conflict of interest with SEC and ACC. It owes both good faith performance, but only does for the SEC. That is the real basis for a lawsuit vs ESPN regarding the ACC TV contract. And Baylor, TCU or Cincinnati are not FSU. Where does this trying to downplay FSU as a program come from?
The fact that this is the bowl FSU would still be playing in had they lost to UF or North Alabama says everything you need to know about this snub.
I believe the wrong comparison was made by the CFP. It should not have been FSU against Bama; rather the comparison should have been between FSU and Michigan. Just compare the two: 1) Both Michigan and FSU were undefeated and won their Conference; 2) Both were in the top 10 at the start of the season (UM #2; FSU #8); 3) Both had 1 win against a top 5 opponent (UM vs. #2 Ohio State; FSU vs. #5 LSU); 4) Both Michigan and FSU had similar strengths of schedules (UM 53; FSU 55); 5) Both Michigan and FSU had similar winning records against ranked opponents when they played them (UM 3-0 against Penn State, Ohio State, & Iowa; FSU 4-0 against LSU, Clemson, Duke, & Louisville); 6) Both have winning records against teams who are ranked at the end of the season (UM 3-0 against Ohio State, Penn State, & Iowa; FSU 3-0 against LSU, Louisville & Clemson) 7) Both have similar offensive numbers (UM averaged 219 passing yards & 162 rushing yards pre game; FSU averaged 260 passing yards & 157 rushing yards per game); 8) Both had sub-par performances from the QB play against their biggest rivals (UM against OSU in the Big House - McCarthy 148 Passing Yards; FSU against Florida in the Swamp - Rodemaker 134 Passing Yards); 9) Both had sub-par performances offensively in their Conference Championship game (UM had 213 Total Yards of Offense; FSU had 219 Total Yards of Offense. 10) Both played average Conference foes in their Championship Game (UM vs. #16 Iowa; FSU vs. #15 Louisville). The comparisons can go on and on, and if you look at the data, they are very similar; so why did the committee not compare them? This should have been the real debate - between FSU and Michigan; not FSU and Bama. Not sure why that never happened?!?
I am more interested in the UGA vs FSU game than the playoff games.
So your more interesting in a beat down?
Unfortunately, neither team will look like they did this year. Its gonna tell us very little I’m afraid.
Why would anyone with draft stock play?
FSU will beat georgia@@cbcbrown88
Georgia only beat Georgia Tech by 8 pts on rivalry weekend lol😂
FSU is in a lose/lose situation. If they lose to Georgia people will say the didn't belong anyways, If FSU wins people will say Georgia wasn't motivated, the game doesn't count. lol
The committee killed the ACC & made The Orange bowl is meaningless. The game should be canceled
You can tell ESPN and their mouth pieces are figuring out they may have wreck the legitimacy of this years playoff. There is no way to get it back.
I agree. They just wrecked the credibility of the college playoff. Big time!
Agreed, ESPN overplayed their hand. They totally removed the sport from "sports entertainment". The surprising thing is, is how surprised they are at the outrage. Really? They have sucked the soul out of CFB..... duh.
There are a couple of ESPN "mouth pieces" who are sticking their necks out there and spouting off about how wrong it is and that it is not "ok" what they did... in the name of "entertaining match-ups". Thank you RGIII, Booger, and Desmond Howard for speaking truth.
The issue with McCord was the fact he had a high powered offense but couldn’t put up the numbers to match….OSU more less had the same offense that should have beat Ga last yr. He’s the only reason OSU isn’t No.1 right now. In my opinion.
All the talking heads are suddenly taking steps back like the cowards they are. Nobody is going, or cares about the Lemon Bowl in Miami. Rodemaker and Glenn are probably on suicide watch after the suits and talking heads have repeatedly with no mercy let them both know that they think they SUCK as football players and QBs. Nice job guys.
ESPN and the CFP committee cheated FSU out of chance over the $$$$ and they continue to kick #13 while he’s down cuz he got hurt. Hope they sleep well at night.
The wild thing for me is that the ACC had a winning record against the SEC this year but the ACC was down
The CFP Committee completely lacked integrity and courage when choosing the teams and potentially F'ed up college football. The games have always mattered in CF. That is what made the sport so attractive. The regular season is a defacto playoff and every game mattered. Bama should have been sitting out and the CFP Committee and the media should have said the loss to Texas had to weigh in. However, the SEC bias came into play.
Florida State directly responsible for 12 teams not being in this year, talk about self inflicted wounds.
The formula but not purely the formula because Texas got down voted in 2008 to let OU in even though they beat them to head to head. Committee has to use rules if there are 5 or more conferences champions in the top 6 to determine the bye weeks. Also, the committee gets to use rules to evaluate 10 throw 14 in the formula to determine the last two entries. Then you do NFL type rules to prevent early rematches by similarly ranked teams. Say withing 3 spots.
Nearly every person that works at ESPN didn’t want FSU to make the playoffs with or without Jordan Travis. I saw a video clip showing everybody on the set smiling and laughing when FSU got left out. They traded the integrity of the game for cash
Espn has got to be on nerves about televising this game. Their is no telling what the fans are going to be chanting from the stands, I'm sure the "F" word will be heard loud and clear in the living rooms around the country.
Never listen to a person with no books on their bookshelves.
WHAT!??!? These exhibition games aren't actually supposed to be used as a metric!??!? Wow!!
Please stop with the strength of the schedule argument against FSU. LSU and UF having down years is not FSU's fault. I think it is incredibly brave of FSU to put them on their schedule and very few teams would voluntarily put those 2 SEC (historical) titans on a nonconference schedule not knowing what they are going to get.
SEC bias in a year when the ACC beat the SEC 6 -4. FSU beat #5 LSU on the road, and Florida on the road w/ FSU's #2 QB. FSU won their ACC Championship with a 3rd string QB by double digits. How does an undefeated ACC champion lose out to the 1 loss weaker SEC champion, who barely beat out Arkansas at home with Bamas 1st String QB, by merely 3 points, 1/3 of the margin of victory that FSU had beating a top 15 team while starting their 3rd string QB. CFP is officially an SEC proxy, CFP is an abbreviation for Committee for Profit. Disgusting ruling, compared to the heart of a champion FSU displayed all year on the field. Results matter, put FSU in, and remove Alabama. Ohio State should be # 5, they lost to the current #1 Michigan. If not, Committee for Profit is telling all of college football that the regular season is irrelevant. If Any playoff QB gets injured in practice, then FSU takes their place? What sense does that make? CFP is legally liable for additional security on every QB in the playoff, their foolish decision has placed a bounty on every QB in the playoff between now and the first game. Without removing Alabama, this years playoff winner is disqualified due to CFP incompetence. The talking heads don't feel bad for FSU, they are lining their pockets for being biased toward Bama and the SEC. Florida State Seminoles, the heart of a champion!!!!!
Lsu isn’t number 5 😂😂
None of the top 4 sec teams played the acc this year so that point is just not a good one
Lsu finished 5th in the sec and played the number 1 acc team
Florida was like 7th in the sec played the best acc team
You want to talk about head to head??
Kentucky the 8th or 9th best sec team beat the 2nd best acc team and a team that played for the acc championship! FSU scored 1 td on Louisville and Georgia scored 50 on Kentucky nobody that actually watches football thinks Florida state as of now is a top4 team
Get over it
LSU was # 5 at the time. SEC is respected for their history, not their 2023 performance. The top teams didn't earn it, they are inflated. Because of leaving FSU out, there is no legitimate national champion this year, the entire playoff is fraudulent. That choice was malicious. College Football does not have a serious playoff system, they just have a tv show goal, nothing else matters.@@andrewgiegerich8211
I’m guessing that he was referring to LSU was ranked 5 when they played fdd FSU . Uga wasn’t playing with 3rd team true freshman quarterback not that it really matters tho. If you want to go down that road then maybe you should think about how bama needed a miracle to win against a 6 win auburn that was destroyed the week before against a mid major. They also had a beat Arkansas by 3 points and let’s not forget about that war they survived against south Florida. I agree with you that fsu is probably not better than bama or uga right now. But football is played on a field not on paper. They won every game and they were playing as good defensively as anyone all season.
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All SEC teams were at least not the best team on one Saturday. Also, SEC was very down this year and doesn't even have enough bowl teams to meet their bowl obligations. SEC was even bad to watch this year. CFP sounds pretty lame and Bama Vs Michigan is a snooze-fest. Maybe Michigan will finally win a bowl game since losing to FSU in the 2016 Orange 🍊 Bowl.
This decision was so easy. 3 undefeated teams and a head to head tiebreaker between the 2 one loss teams. It’s trash
Stay out Game-day out of the Army Navy game CBS git it covered. And won’t have any media bias in coverage
"Losses won't be punished moving forward." Losses weren't punished this year.
Hey Reece don't forget the steak Pete Thamel owes you for texas making the cfp
Rece is such a smug guy.
The problem is folks like this, folks that say “last year champion should have been Georgia and Michigan….. Why? Michgam literally lost.
You never hear this type of ridiculous thought in the NFL playoffs or any other.
I disagree with Stanford Steve, there weren't 5 qualified teams, there were either 3, or 7, but not 5. If the qualification is "undefeated P5" there are 3. If the qualification is "1-loss P5" then there are 7. The only way you conclude there are exactly 5 is if you conclude that Michigan sneaking past Ohio State makes the Buckeyes disqualified, and 'Bama sneaking by Georgia somehow makes the Tide so good they're qualified and the Dawgs aren't. But the only way to come to the conclusion the Committee did is to assume 'Bama is SO MUCH better than Georgia and Michigan is SO MUCH better than Ohio State that the results on the field don't matter.
Remember when they use to say "it always sorts itself out" for the past 9 years. What a year to finally screw a team
Disney/ESPN is everything wrong with college football in 2023!!!
Dude really just said that they should've put Michigan and UGA in the title game last year after TCU beat Michigan without their best rb 😂😂
Stop pushing the narrative that there were more than four deserving teams. There were only three: Michigan, Washington and Florida State. The only team that factually, objectively was wronged was Florida State.
How will ESPN and Fox insure that the SEC and Big10 gets all the byes in future CFI yes College Football Invitational
FSU is not undefeated the committee gave them the only loss. I see they was scared of FSU and it's ok, you just underestimated the amount of money they could have bought in
JaLyn Polk, WR1C for Washington IS NOT A portal transfer. The UW portal stars are Michael Penix Jr, Dillon Johnson, Jabber Muhammad, Raylen Goforth, Gerrmie Bernard.
This is about CONTROLLING who played in the playoffs and the BCS era.
It's a racket. They could have went to a system that determined outcomes on the field when we left the BCS but instead they went to a 4 playoff because when you judge off of capability and what people think versus how it plays out on the field this stuff continually happens. They didn't change it because they like to have the control of choosing who goes into playoff not letting it play out on the field.
They could have fixed this system anytime they wanted but the power and intoxication of control over college football and the money it generates is way more important than the integrity of a football game.
Im old enough to remember 1993. There were two undefeated teams at the end of that season, Nebraska and West Virginia. Guess who got chosen to play Nebraska for the national championship? One loss Florida State was chosen over undefeated West Virginia. Cfb has always been a beauty pageant that cares about style points. Anyway, four teams is not much of a playoff. Next year (when it goes to 12 teams) will be the first year ever that theres a true playoff in d1 cfb.
Number 8 Florida blew out West Virginia. Nebraska went on to win national championships in 94 and 95, but in 93 they lost to FSU. They would've took a 1 loss Notre Dame over you that season.
Penn st was undefeated in 94...I know the pain
@@michaelmclinn75 94 Penn State was contractually obligated to play in the Rose 🌹 Bowl.
Ed, I’m actually a Texas fan not a WVU fan. My point is that style points have always mattered in Cfb, good or bad. I know WVU ended up getting blown out. FSU was a better team even with 1 loss. Maybe FSU will get blown out by Georgia with their backup QB?
Dont tell people how they should react. This is not a UCF team playing through a G5 schedule trying to stake a false claim in a national championship. This is a worldwide recognized brand that has won a title more recently than 3 of the 4 schools that were selected. Talk SOS whatever you want but FSU has played the same conference for decades and going undefeated was always enough, even when there were only 2 teams. This was a money/views and clicks move, not only for the playoffs but all the content that gets spun in the backlash as well. Just be honest so we know what we’re dealing with in the future.
Well who did fsu actually play 😂
@@andrewgiegerich8211 2 SEC Teams, a Top14 team in the ACC championship which was a higher opponent than Michigan and Texas played. Clemson that beat 2 other ranked teams in ND and UNC, Duke which was a 1 loss team when they played us before their QB got hurt. (Although FSU still went 3-0 after JT got hurt) Miami (who also beat another SEC team that had one of the most loaded rosters)
@@andrewgiegerich8211 if you believe Texas *AND* Bama (instead of one or the other) should have been in then so be it that’s your opinion but Louisville had one of the most explosive offenses in the country this season and like a TOP15 Defense. FSU won with an 18yo true freshman at QB who had about 10 snaps all season. It was never gonna be pretty the name of the game is to win. That feat in itself shows how complete the team is.
@@JackpotJ their best win is against a 3 loss team LSU which would be bamas 3rd best win
Bama beat 12-1 Georgia 11-2 ole miss and 9-3 lsu
Kentucky the 8th ranked sec team beat the team fsu played in the acc championship
Florida states 3 best wins
# 13 lsu 9-3
# 15 Louisville 10-2 lost to Kentucky 7-5 and 3-9 Pitt lol 😂 they shouldn’t be # 15 to begin with
# 23 Clemson that took FSU to overtime but lost to the 6th ranked sec team Tennessee 31-14
Arguing that FSU should be in for playing cupcakes all year and is more deserving is just ignorant
@@JackpotJ bama has wins over # 6 # 11 #13 and # 22
FSU has wins over # 13 # 15 #23
Make it make sense
Go ahead and get your excuses and your cover-up story ready.there’s a reason why you guys kept Florida State #4 the whole time because you planned on doing this and we’re gonna prove it
Where is the sound
They need to get out of the broken down ACC" and start to play top competition, just like you all told Boise state" because there is no where in the rules book, where it says you have to go undefeated to play for a title"
Dont worry they can feel however they want, and see they thought everybody was just gonna get over in a few days now we got politicians involved now they nervous because Rick scott and DeSantis not giving up until they answer!
Im a Ga fan and I hope FSU beats Ga by more than a field goal, I also hope Michigan runs over Alabama. The committee was doing just fine until the very end. If they wanted an SEC team in the playoffs they should’ve kept FSU at 4 and picked between Texas and Alabama at 3. Picking a team that beat the number 1 team in the nation as an excuse to put Alabama in over Texas would’ve been a heck of a lot less controversy then taking FSU out.
Ask yourself why have they not made a system that plays itself out on the field like the pros? Because they can control who they want to win by choosing the dogs in the fight. And you can do that when you set a ranking system up based on the capability of the athletic talent on the team versus how the team actually plays on the field. Because of the bias around capability (five-star talent). Teams aren't even given an opportunity because they're not deemed worthy enough to be able to play because they are not as talent laden as other teams but the talent capable teams don't play as well or are not at undefeated. The integrity of this game has been gone for over 15 years.
Really, I played for UGA , football. Don’t care for Alabama. But if you guys think that Michigan has any kind of a chance against Alabama you’re living in an alternate state of reality I mean come on guys, REALLY! I have not heard one comment about GA. They were beat up more than I thought and I thought I knew what was happening. Snd if , if , if. If GA was healthy. It would have been a different game. I don’t like Alabama, but I respect them. And these guys that pick the four games so they don’t go to the games they don’t go out in the field. It’s hilarious. They shouldn’t be picking from the menu as pertains to what they want for dinner one AA, has a 4:33 4:40 16 team playoff for years. Works perfect. Dumbest ! Smart people I have listened too in a long time! Thanks!
FCS has been on 24 for a while, D2 has 28 and D3 has 32. All with the standard "win your conference and you get a shot at the title" method that literally every sport uses.
Does anyone remember the system before the playoffs? How awful it was? At least now we get as close as we can to the four best teams. This debate is ridiculous
It's not ridiculous, we didn't get the best 4 teams, or the 4 most deserving. We got neither. And a conference champion, 13-0 p5 team with multiple top 25 wins just got told they may as well be North Idaho Community College
The debate is NOT ridiculous. The problem is that the CFP effectively CHANGED their criteria. That is the problem that ESPN does NOT want to address, because the reason that the CFP changed its criteria without explicitly telling anyone was ESPN.
@@terryfox9344 no, they actually finally did what they said they would do, put the four best teams in the playoffs… Not the four teams with the best records
I sincerely hope that College Gameday is henceforth banned from Tallahassee, but FSU doesn’t have the stones to stay with something like that. They should have boycotted this horrible sham, but didn’t, so now they bring a team into this that is damned near void of any player that was on the ACC Championship squad. Thanks again, eSECpn, in less than 8 mos, you have killed the most iconic bowl game in the history of sport, the Rose Bowl, you have e facilitated the possible death of the ACC, and continue to make the NBA UNWATCHABLE.
The orange bowl means nothing because you are going to have too many opt-outs and guys not as motivated. I completely agree with Rece, for once
Emergency 6 team playoff!
Winner of Texas vs Georgia faces Washington and winner of FSU and Bama faces Michigan. Its not perfect, but at least its fair
What a consolation , playing Georgia , simply unbelievable WAS ROBBED IN PUBLIC B.S. this is from a pac 12 man
For clarity, 2005 Rose Bowl: Texas 38 Michigan 37…Hookem! 48:27
No way Daniels doesn’t win the Heisman. He’s got Heisman stats for basically two positions. Not only does he have 3,800 yard passing but also almost 1,200 yards rushing with 50 touchdowns. He’s definitely your winner.
A good resolution would be for Bama to do the right thing for the future of College football and opt out
Why are guys still playing COLLEGE football six or seven years after matriculating? I think my grandfather, who was born in 1882 (not kidding) might have some eligibility left as well. I think he should enter the portal!
Because they are still in College. The ancient times where college was a 4 year program went away with the Roman chariots. Now college is completed in anywhere from 2 to 10 years.
Money can buy your way into the playoffs that’s how Alabama got in it shouldn’t be that way I hope somebody does something about it
Who did Alabama give money to to have FSU schedule the 55th strongest schedule in the nation and have their starting quarterback get injured? Who?
@@BreakingNVainWhy question someone who knows nothing about college football? The poor state of Alabama has more money than the state of Florida. That’s a total joke. 😂
@@ArtLee68 while I agree with the first half of your comment, do you actually think that Florida state has more money than the University of alabama? It's not a comparison of which state has more money. It's a comparison of which university has more money. And I have no idea how much money Florida State has. But if I find out Florida state has more money than the University of Alabama then I'll be absolutely shocked.
Why is Michigan not scrutinized? Weak schedule, 1 win against an average OHS? They’ve underperformed against TCU and Georgia. Northeast media bias, no doubt.
Alabama hate is REAL, and I LOVE IT!