The thing with “ Where are the Adults?” Thing is that in the Avatar world, they would not be considered underage. Sixteen is of age, Yue was getting married at 16, Zuko is ruling a nation at 16, Sokka is the oldest male in his village at 15, Suki is the leader of her village’s defence at 15/16. It does not take place in modern times so you can’t really think of it in term of how children/teens are expected to act or the level of responsibility that they would have today
Exactly the only two people that were actually children in the group was aang, who technically was an adult, and toph who ran away from home because the adults around her coddling her. It would've been more weird and wrong if someone in their 20s or older was traveling with them the whole time.
@@orionc.5407 1) Avatar isn't based off of Japan. It is inspired by a variety of cultures. Japan is just one of the larger influences. 2) Right now, the country-wide age of consent is pretty low - like you said. (I remember it as 14, but I could be wrong.) However, pretty much every prefecture has their own law raising that number to something higher - usually 16 or 18. 3) Assuming that the world is around the age of feudalism, asian countries had _higher_ than average age of marriage. Most of europe considered adolescent children ready for marriage. That would mean somewhere between 9 and 13. China - arguably an even bigger influence on the show than Japan - had various laws that would put it's "age of consent" well above the 9-13 range. 4) Jumping back to modern times, there are quite a few places where you can marry before 18. There are states in the us where it's 16, and a few European countries have it as low as 12. And yet, not a single of of these considers 17 year olds to be adults. Age of consent doesn't equal age of adulthood.
Character flaws make them down to earth and relatable, and therefore more loveable. If you make everyone in the show perfect, why is there even a story? You know they're gonna succeed without trying or growing from the experience
@@pissapocalypse I know, there's no story without character growth. Characters can't grow if they have nothing to work on in the first place. They argue Sokka's sexism didn't age well even though the show has a viewpoint that still conforms with modern beliefs. That's why it's written as a character FLAW. And it's still a relevant real world issue. So it aged perfecly fine in my opinion. To suggest that adressing a topic that you're not comfortable with is bad writing is the most narrow minded, self-centered reasoning I can imagine. I was actually in disbelief at the sheer stupidity.
As far as characterizations go I actually think Sokka growing out of his learned sexism, Toph being tough but occasionally wanting to be all fancy, and Katara being really nurturing but also a prodigious water bending fighter all show that people can be multifaceted and make them good characters. Just because some women might enjoy being nurturing doesn’t mean they aren’t also strong and courageous. People aren’t one dimensional
Right! And it’s not like the show spontaneously switches from things to thing; it gives a reason as to where these things come from and show visible insecurities with the characters when they break certain norms for their character, which also leads to more visible growth (aka, Sokka being uncomfortable with Suki beating him but asking her to teach him was shown to be an uncomfortable situation to push past in order to break from his sexist views and show growth) or can just solidify what we already know about a character without the need for growth when they’re confronted with a situation outside of what they usually act like (eg: how Toph agreed to a girls day, but the resolution to that episode was that she definitely did not care what she looked like but she can still have fun having a girls day and that different was okay too. She already knew this, and she didn’t need to grow from that episode because she had known what worked for her already, but that showcased something that Toph knew all along that we the audience never saw her in a situation such as this).
exactly! also, Katara's being a nuturer is part of what makes her strong. I wouldn't be surprised if she got her healing powers purely because she was so connected tp that motherly/nurturing side of herself. Part of bending is very spiritual, so for someone to be a healer it makes sense for them to naturally want to heal others, which is how Katara is.
I think the makeover was a good thing. Toph clarifies that she's never actually cared about her appearance since she knows who she is, but it is likely that we still feel insulted if someone calls us ugly. It makes her more human and more than just a funny tomboy. Plus nobody says that we cannot have more sides. I usually wear hoodies and large pants, but I like to wear dresses from time to time. Does it change my personality? No. Also the episode was about welness and to relax. It feels good to be clean and dressed up nicely from time to time. It doesn't take anything away from Toph. It only makes her more relatable and shows that the character designs are not only one dimensional.
Totally agree. I love tomboy Toph but she can have a moment when she wants to feel pretty. I'm a guy who doesn't care that much about my appearance but I do like to feel neat and clean from time to time. I want to feel vulnerable sometimes too, that doesn't take away any of my manliness or masculinity away.
This is a really good point! I didn’t like that short at first for the reasons in the video but you are right even if you don’t care what you look like being told your ugly hurts! I just wish they didn’t have her wear quite as much make up! (That may also be because I didn’t really like how they drew the makeup it looked weird)
i disagree with this. The real world its full of issues, like sexism, racism, social injustice, etc. You cant make a series extremely 'politically correct', because you will lose every conflict opportunity or the possibility to the character to grow up
And not everyinthing that is politically correct is a good thing. Most of what is considered politically correct i find them far worse than what they are trying to solve.
Francisco Verdugo Exactly. Stories of growth can’t happen in Utopia. We could have had more LGBTQ+ characters but that is a mark of the times unfortunately that wouldn’t exist if the creators made the show today.
Lmao I feel like most people don’t feel like this.... it’s just that these 22 and under kids are loud af so it sounds like everyone is saying these sensitive ass things when in fact it’s only a couple hundred people. I notice most kids 24 and up aren’t all sensitive like these younger kids
@@Ignasimp let me discuss serious topic with you, please (it is not retelling of propagandons` words) Number of victims of war (or however it is called) is equal to number of people which are not needed to economics. Those are not that very people, who are the less needed. Those are absolutely various people, only number of them depend on economics. There already are some economical theories, describing how to solve this problem centralisely. But it isn`t solved. There are some “oasises”, but they are not closed systems. Last year i got some idea, which gave me hope, and which was full of mistakes. Now let me introduce to you it`s new version We should try to consume as much humanhours as possible. We can nearly see, which of proposed things include more humanhours (all i know now, is only the fact that work in little business is organized less effectively than in big) We, being consumers, can effect on market. We may rise demand on humanhours. And distributing of those workhours between different people, is the thing which we do being in role of workers. Those were professional unions, which were supposed to distribute workhours in social way, but they don`t. Rising demand in humanhours, you give oportuniny to yourselves as a worker to take those number of working hours, than you really need, but not those that employer want. Leave workhours for your potential killer, please
Antoine Bandele exactly, I thought that personal growth in the show was some of the best ever done, we got characters who were so enclosed in their bubble who had to grow by traveling with a 12 year old avatar who didn’t want that on his shoulders. So they went from what they knew to learning new things, and that changed their outlook. Thought it was amazing but i guess not?
To me, those ten points aren’t really that much of a big deal. The only thing that kinda bugs me is that there is romance in a children’s show. Sure, it might not be much of a big deal and/or not be that much romance, but I personally think romance in shows should be reserved for older audiences
HA.Rpg.T 1207 kids still have feelings of Romance in a sense. Like they still have little crushes and such that’s normal. I see no reason to leave that out. They are teenagers at the end of the series zuko is 16 so yeah he will start to desire a relationship
@@gav2057 Exactly, like the issue with the live action show. We definitely needed actors playing characters with their race, but for VA, we won't see their face so what's the issue?
@@midnightthoughts8519 Yeah, it just fits the character's and their worlds best. The whole Avatar series is based around Asia mostly, so it would just be precise having Asian actors to play the parts VA's don't really matter; they just need someone to voice the character, and bring them to life.
I would argue voice acting is one of the few mediums that is truly equal opportunity for *everyone* because people don't see you skin or your gender, they just hear your voice. How many times have you looked up who voiced a character and were surprised by what they looked like?
Cory, all the time. And Idlebruh, if you believe that, you should really look up voice actors like Phil LeMarr, Lauren Tom, Regina King, Kevin Michael Richardson, Johny Yong Basch, Kimberly Brooks (who have voiced non-POC characters).
Exactly voice acting I would argue takes more talent than live acting The fact that someone can voice a character whom they share few if any characteristics is a testament to their talent
I'm black and that voice actor thing is honestly splitting hairs because no one has honestly gotten offended because someone was black and was played by white person(Cleveland Brown being a prime example) or vice versa it's just a bunch of people trying to find things to complain about it's so annoying
@@AntoineBandele exactly like bro NO BLACK PERSON was actually complaining about it, people are asking for change in real issues and the solution isn't pandering and tokenization. Forcing diversity doesn't help anyone
I'm not a VA or big in the scene, but I agree that seems like a weird nitpick. Live-action is one thing but a voice is different and even some ppl who look like they would fit the part their voice doesn't. I mean how many male characters in media are voiced by women
I think that if the characters role is mainly about being black then give them a black voice actor, and same with any other race. Other than that I really don’t care honestly.
Yeah. They’re criticizing characters for being human and having realistic qualities. In her circumstances, it’s completely understandable why she would turn out to be more maternal. Plus, what’s wrong with being maternal? Real women exist who are more maternal and traditional. It shouldn’t be looked down upon as inferior to other personality types. I hate when people think that traditionally-valued men and women need to be put down in order to uplift less traditional people.
Her being maternal is presented as something good and bad. And it makes sense given how Katara and Sokka loose their mom and are left with a father that is protective but not very nurturing, and he leaves. Sokka and Katara try to fit the roles of their absent parents
I desagree of most of them. Especially the one about toph, toph is a tomboy, but that episode was about trying something New, It was Very inportant for her to try in a healthy way, do i like this? At the end she was "NAH im me" but the episode was really important
I really related to toph when I was younger and I thought this actually made her MORE relatable. I was tomboy as a kid and I was sort of indoctrinated into the "femininity in any way is weakness" thing. It wasn't directly what forced me to confront that belief but it definitely helped me see that being a powerful girl doesn't have to come from either being completely perfectly feminine or from being "one of the guys". It made me less ashamed of being interested in makeup and traditionally feminine stuff while still having pretty traditionally "masculine" interests.
exactly. it was actually such an important segment because it showed toph that being "girly" doesn't have to mean giving up any other part of herself. femininity isn't a weakness
Same thought. It was important to show that episode to emphasize Toph's own personality/appearance since that(traditional feminine style) was like her opposite and her trying it in a healthy way is a good way to showcase how you can try things out of your comfort zone or things far from your usual nature in a non-toxic way. At the end of the day, what matters is finding yourself, get back if you're lost/uncomfortable after trying new things and embracing your true self which Toph did for the rest of the series. 💓
The fact that Aang killed the Buzzard-wasp actually makes sense. He was in such a fit of rage because Appa went missing that he didn't care about other lifeforms, he just wanted Appa.
@@popnpets8022 The difference between characters like Sokka and Suki who are skilled with weapons and other things, Ozai completely prided himself on his bending ability, calling himself the "Phoenix King", and even being really skilled at Firebending. He literally preferred Azula because she was a better firebender than Zuko, and he even wanted to have the Avatar killed so that way there could be no other force in the world that was more powerful than him. Ozai is the type of person that wouldn't get himself out of a depression after realizing that he could never firebend again. All of that power he once had is gone now, and he's also behind bars. To Ozai, he probably would have preferred death. (EDIT): And to add onto Aang killing the wasp, he was severely pissed off by losing Appa, the last living Sky Bison from his time. Aang was also out in the hot desert, probably dehydrated and rightfully angry, amplified by his desperate feeling for where Appa was.
The air nomads actually separated by temple, men in the north and south, women in then west and east. As said in the video, probably just mimicking real monks
Right. Gotta be fair to what they were doing... and that was taking direct influence from real-world monks. However, I do understand with it being a fantasy how one could take issue with that. Because you can change the rules if you want and apply some social commentary.
Doesn't this gender separation actually help with focusing on religious studies, especially the kind that Buddhist monks practice? I think it makes much more sense for them to behave this way than to have them mixed for the sake of progressivism.
Antoine Bandele: The issue is that, then, people (likely including the author of this article) would be criticizing the show creators for westernizing other cultures or for not doing enough research on the cultures they drew from. It’s a lose-lose situation
@@AntoineBandele It does seem weird, but I'd argue it shows a bit of variety in the Air Nomad culture. Just because the Air Nomads are generally more egalitarian and open-minded than the other nations doesn't necessarily mean they're perfect. Even in real life, some countries and cultures can have a bizarre and dogmatic belief that sticks out from the rest of them. And vice versa.
And at least in avatar it is (mostly) because of war. The parents are dead, busy fighting, or evil dickhead who are just using their kids. Yes Ozai, I'm looking at you: she can fight already, then she should. We can see that in a lot of war driven cultures that just cannot allow to have their children to just be kids because there is a war to be fought. The only unjustified lack of parental supervision within the show is basically the Kyoshi warriors (but maybe in their culture of you become a warrior you are deemed to already be able to manage yourself).
honestly, I was so mind blown when I found out he voiced Ozai. Danta Basco literally has referred to a scene he had with him as the Luke Skywalker theme where "Luke is Vader and he's Luke". You def need some big names sometimes and Mark is just so skilled.
People who think Toph's makeover is problematic have missed the point by 10,000 miles. Shows with strong female characters, especially in the 90s and 2000s tended to show those strong female characters only displaying traditionally masculine traits. Typically, they'd also frame feminine traits as lesser. "Girly girls" in kids media at the time were always kind of annoying and/or antagonist characters. It really reached a point where I, as a little girl who liked to play in the mud, basically thought that displaying any part of my femininity was a weakness, and made me dislike other girls that didn't hesitate to be feminine. This episode reminded young viewers that you can be a badass and still embrace your femme side and be vulnerable and insecure. Additionally, by having Toph and Katara deal with the popular feminine mean girl character while they were all equally made up and feminine looking, it reminds the viewer that the toxic parts of the "mean popular girl" character are her personality, not her femininity. If you have an issue with this episode, maybe it's worth asking yourself why a character expressing even one modicum of superficial femininity bothers you so much.
I agree but I think people thought way too much about it. The point about the scene where Toph had a tear and said “I know who I am” when the girls made fun of her appearance shows that even the most toughest people are still humans with feelings.
Hell yeah! Prince Zuko was the lucky one in this regard. While Avatar Aang was constantly looking for a master (it was what drove his plot) to look after and train him, adults were too busy (or sometimes, indeed, too dead) to be with him on his travels, instead, only being able to train him while he was settled down in place. Meanwhile, a General of the army and former crown prince, a legend of his age, could always be found not too far behind his beloved nephew at any given time.
Mufasa was a lion but he wasn't played by a lion voice acting shouldn't matter in my opinion just who fits the role best. That's how it should be in theatre as well
I think most people's issue is with minority characters being voiced by someone who isn't part of that minority is that people who fall into minorities usually have a harder time getting roles due to the bigotry that's still very normalised.
It makes sense for her to be maternal. Her mom died at a young age, all the men left the village and only left a few women who were either moms or grandmothers, and she was roped in to look after all the kids, her brother who spent all his time trying to be a soldier, and as such she was raised in a almost 100% maternal society. Of course this will be a key aspect of her character.
Don't think most of these things are really an issue, for me. Can definitely see where they're coming from though. The final point sure is dated though, but I don't think it's an overall issue.
I think it's Nickelodeon's fault. They made the creators portray the bi relationship in LoK more subtly than they wanted to, so they probably went further on the original ATLA
It's pretty understandable why ATLA didn't have a lot of LGBT+ representation either. It just wasn't done in kids shows at the time because of the risk of cancelling.
I mean if you think the fact that they are just kids traveling the world on their own, you also have to consider the fact that the time periods shown in the avatar world(During ATLA and ATLOK times) is reflective of our world around the 1850's(present day time at the start of ATLA) - 1920's(ATLOK times). During those times in our world you would probably be living on your own and doing what was considered to be a full time job at the time at the around the age of 12-14 years old. plus you could also consider that at those times; marrying age without parental consent for the majority of the world was 12 for girls and 14 for boys. The average minimum conscription age during WWI varied around 16-18 as well. So if the concept is viewed from that historical lens; it really isn't that suspect that no one would bat an eye at a bunch kids traveling and living without adult supervision. In those days children that age would not need adult supervision. But if viewed from a present day lens; it is weird. And yes this is a general trope of the genre.
I would have to disagree with you on the part about lack of adult supervision in the world of Avatar. With a modern perspective yes, the lack a adult supervision would be an issue. But even looking back in ancient times, it was expected of kids who reached puberty to work. And yes they would usually have some form of mentor to teach them (Though Team Avatar also had mentors who taught them so it still isn't to different), they were a lot more independent than kids of the modern era. You also should take into consideration that the Avatar world has been embroiled in war that has lasted 100 years, and many adults would have died or are preoccupied to travel with Aang to help him learn the elements. As that is the Avatars duty to the world, and no adult is going to tell the Avatar not to do his job. As to the "Where are the parent's" argument that I hear a lot. I feel Avatar answers this exceptionally well, unlike other stories. For Aang, the entirety of his people are gone, so that's an easy one. For Katara and Sokka, their mother was killed by the Fire Nation, and their dad is off fighting in the war, so they can't rely on him. Their village is also devastated, so their is no one else other than these two who could go with the Avatar. No one else was capable of helping Aang on his journey. Toph obviously ran away from home, but it wasn't as if her parents just abandoned her, they hired people to track her down and bring her home, because they were worried. Zuko is also an easy one, his father banished him, mother was missing, but he had Iroh to help guide him, so he is the only character who had an guardian watch over him for the majority of his journey. He also had Irohs teachings to fall back on when there wasn't an adult around. It's obvious that the world of Avatar is not full of neglectful adults who are to incompetent to solve their own issues and need children to solve it for them. It's actually a world, where everyone is weary of a century long war, where the adults are constantly fighting to hold on to that which they love. And everyone is desperate for the Avatar to return and to fulfill his duty, but are so preoccupied that they can't travel with him on his journey, and can only help him when he is nearby. TL;DR The world of Avatar is complicated, and a wizard did it. 😉
My perspective about the point about "ang probably killed people": So, first of all, in the avatar universe, everything is so much less leathal than it should be. people get thrown about 200 meters in the air and are barely stunned (for example in the "blind bandit" episode when toff fights all those arena guys). Another example is how fire tends to just push people instead of burn them. But I don't think we should have a problem with that. So no, Aang didn't "probably kill a bunch of people", because the physics of avatar are just different. Now, specifically about slicing the bee in half: In that episode Aang was so angry about Appa's loss. He was acting out of character in an extreme situation, like how in that same episode he practically forces himself to the avatar state when confronting the sand-benders. This happens many times in the show, like how Katara uses blood bending when getting revenge for her mother, or how Azula breaks down. So he did kill that bee, and he probably regretted it. but still, that's not the same as killing a human
Yeah I think people in the avatar verse are way less fragile then real life people. Toph literally launches Sokka like a hundred feet in air he falls straight in to his face and completely fine. Sokka is the closest thing in the group to a normal person and it seems like trained soldiers would be at least as durable if not more so
You are right. But it might be worth mentioning too that 1) the buzzard wasn't sliced. It just fell to the ground. No two pieces. 2) it might very well have survived. We are supposed to think it didn't and it probably didn't, but it might have
I was thinking that Aang could have injured people, but if he injured them bad enough to kill them he wouldn't have known it. Or maybe he wouldn't have actually killed them directly, but hurt them, and then they were more prone to dying and died..I guess
It's funny how people were saying saying a biracial character should be voiced by a biracial or black VA but not a white woman. Like it ok for a black woman to voice the character because the character is half black but a white woman can't even though the character is also half white. Seriously sounds like the problem stems more from the fact the VA was white rather than the fact she wasn't biracial.
It sounds like they only have a problem with white people voicing different races but when literally any other race does it it's fine. Which makes no goddamn sense. You can't even see the person when they are playing the character, it shouldn't matter. I understand getting a person of a certain race, gender, height and weight, stuff like that, if they are playing a role in live action, but voices are detached from race or gender. If people criticize white people for playing a different race, then flip around and don't care if a Mexican person plays an Indian person, then they are hypocrites.
The real problem I have is that representation just for the sake of representation is silly. If you aren't going to do anything with those characters that relates to that representation then it's just politics and not storytelling
I think I’d want more elaboration on that. They have to do something that relates to the representation or it’s just political to add a represented character? Shouldn’t the representation aspect be put on the back burner? There doesn’t have to be an entire storytelling point just because a character is a minority, woman, or part of the LGBT community.
I think you got it backwards. If you are going to have 30 characters and none of them are going to be X (where X is a class of person that's common enough) then you are purposefully creating a weird group and you better do something with that. For instance, if you are going to have 30 characters and none men, then it probably should be something that relates to the story somehow.
@@ZaESims123 The thing is to purposefully show that you're including LGBTQ characters, unless you have them just randomly announce their preferences, there'd be no reason to even bring up the fact that they would be LGBTQ. The story might even have had LGBTQ characters and we don't know because it was never brought up. That's why most shows with LGBTQ characters boil them down to that one aspect and it's all the character becomes, because the showrunners want to make sure that you know that they included those characters more than they want to actually flesh those characters out.
So apparently: * It's wrong for strong female characters to have maternal personalities * It's wrong for tomboys to like feeling pretty some times * it's wrong to show men outgrowing sexist views through character development * it's wrong to show emancipated minors * it's wrong for Ozai not to have burned Zuko's other eye out In the words of Katara "everyone's a critic"
Just Some Furret With Internet Access if you mean the bullet points a page the video is quoting and I understand, disagreeing with. If you mean "everyone's a critic Katara".
@@AntoineBandele the actual thing that did not age well at all that I'm shocked wasn't mentioned was Iroh sexually assaulting June in "Bato of the Water Tribe" as a "Joke". He was laying on top of her while she is basically Roofied. You can't get away with the "pervy old man" joke nowadays (which is good!)
@@Alchemist1330 it's not as creepy as you're portraying it. She's on top and resting on his chest cuddle style with his arm on her shoulder. That said, it is creepy but I wouldn't go as far as to say it's sexual assault.
The thing though that seemingly no one seems to mention whenever they say “Aang has killed people so him not wanting to kill Ozai makes no sense” is that the show literally addresses this in the Guru episode.
Katara most likely knows where children come from, as she assisted Kanna in births. It's also possible the others did too after they helped give birth to Hope.
Quite honestly, the air nomads are a bit of an interesting bunch that I could see being torn between Conservative and Progressive values in a way that is not displayed in the show. The Air Nomads are all about detaching themselves from the world to achieve spiritual enlightenment. In that way, it makes sense to split the genders, wouldn't want people forming the most common form of attachment possible so easily in the form of heterosexual relationships and to that end homosexual relationships could possibly be viewed as similarly troublesome though less common. I think this idea of separation to remove attachment is supported by Zuko saying that "Aang wouldn't know of fathers, being raised by monks" showing that Airbenders weren't raised by their biological parents again, in what I believe is an effort to remove attachment. That said though, air is the element of freedom and Korra does have a bit of an argument when she says "You keep telling me to embrace freedom but won't even let me listen to the radio". The question that I think Air Nomads would struggle with is can one be truly free if they cannot choose attachment or can one only become free by achieving enlightenment and moving beyond the world of earthly attachments.
In the comics it was stated that the air nomads were free to love anyone. Homosexual relationships weren't taboo or frowned upon. If you loved someone, you loved them, was basically how they saw things.
I guess they see freedom not as just choosing what you want, but also not letting some aspects of what you want to be in conflict with other things you want, and therefore hinder your judgment and action. An addict is free to choose his drugs, but will be neglectful of his other needs, which means that all other facets of him obey his addiction which he surely enjoy when high, but still suffers cause he can't choose to follow his dream to become something he wants for example. Romantic love is similar cause especially young people will go out their way to please their love interest, will do things they not enjoy and would hate to do after some time and even fight friends they once hold dear, only to regret it afterwards. So one part of them hold the rest of their character in chains and they couldn't choose with clear eyes what is good for them.
Don't worry my friend, Kataras gonna explain the birds and the bees to him eventually. One of the women in the tribe probably gave Katara (and possibly Sokka) a quick rundown on where babies come from.
Anthony Rodriguez Katara delivered hundreds of babies, per her own admission. Especially since she was the daughter of the chief and that’s the wife of the chief’s traditional job. She more than likely knew how babies got there. And Aang probably knew since there was likely festivals where the sexes met, could meet, and create babies.
For the final point is something that lowkey bugs me I get why representation is important but I rather it not be there instead of just making a character to fit a checklist and within the context of the show it really makes no sense for anyone to be openly part of the LGBTQ+ because the fire nation at the time isnt very fond of it and I'm all for representation but only if it makes sense to be in it
The “where are the LGBT characters?” Part is almost solely because of nickelodeon, they wouldn’t even let the finale of LoK allow a kiss between korra and Asami and didn’t let them build their relationship more. Nickelodeon wasn’t letting them do it openly in 2014, let alone the early 2000s.
I love how we barely see anyone in a relationship(it was only like 3 and that was zuko and mai and the rest were sokka and his girls) but for some reason they made this into a sexuality issue.
@@ProfitPathwways look it up, Nickelodeon refused to show a Korrasami kiss when Bryke wanted it to happen during the last scene like Kataang - so yeah, it’s definitely a sexuality issue
He I got some nitpicks with Avatar but overall I don't think any of these points are too much of a issue. I kind of think the romance in the Avatar is one of its weakest points.
The romance stuff is okay. The relationship between Suki and Sokka is fun to watch because their personalities mesh with each other’s perfectly. Romance has just never been a focal point in the show, so of course romance in this show would be weak compared to other shows, but the relationships they have with Kataang and Suki/Sokka were endearing to watch for what little screen time their romantic relationships had. Zuko and Mei is kind of a mess though. They just look like some high school couple from a show on CW or something lol.
Piandao: "The way of the sword doesn't belong to any one nation. Knowledge of the arts belongs to us all." Fandom: "Yes." Antoine: "The same applies to voice acting." Fandom: "No."
True progress is when we could actually not care about to stupidest thing that is skin pigmentation and truly base things on content of character... hmm some guy said that once...
For Toph getting "doll up" from Tales of Ba Sing Se, it's adding a layer to the character. Tom Boys can enjoy getting "doll up" and going to the spas from time to time. It's a negative stereotype that all Tom Boys can't like/enjoy makeup or fashion. Some might hate it, others however may enjoy it in small dosage.
King Benny Garcia Actually for real. People who write stuff like this I don’t think really have any idea about writing and storytelling. They just care about being woke and making an issue out of everything
Number kind of made me roll me eyes, and this is from an LGBT girl. I don’t appreciate how many writers are treating LGBT and POC folks as fashion labels. This is from a girl that is both of these things.
People want representation but don't realize that if we push writters to add LGBTQ+ and POC characters just for the sake of it, we are going to end up with token characters that dont much for representation. We need to push for more shows produce BY LGBTQ+ and POC so they can do it the right way.
Brian Lucero if you go into writing a character that’s POC or LGBT as writing them as the “POC or LGBT character” then you’ve already failed. Write characters as characters. Write them as characters that just happen to be LGBT or POC. Because making a big deal out of both of these groups existing as characters is counterproductive because you’re implying that these people existing isn’t normal.
I see where they are coming from with supervision thing but I always kinda thought that was the point. To show how the war had robbed so many children of their childhood and forced them to grow faster than they should have. I always thought no one asked because the war had made so many children orphans that it was common to see kids who were responsible for themselves. I think the only times that they were questioned about having adults around was in the fire nation which would make sense since the fire nation was the least affected by the war
Toph seems to be a misunderstood character. She IS girly when she wants to be. You can tomboy and have feminine tendencies. If anything, this makes Toph an even better character than she already is because she’s shown to not be a stereotypical TV trope in yet another way.
I like that episode for showcasing a struggle that Toph can't truly overcome even if it never breaks her indomitable spirit and also love how Katara and Toph's relationship develops in that short
Voice acting should never matter since they aren't physically representing the character...if I was blind I'd honestly think Antoine was white since he sounds that way
Probably because there's a dialectal difference between most whites and most blacks in America, but it isn't an absolute and it doesn't happen in a lot of countries.
Imagine when these people watch Lucky Star and find out that all that all secondary characters are voiced by the same person, regardless of age and gender.
They didn't give Team Avatar any sun protection in the Dessert episode, like a head gear or something. While the sandbenders wear much clothing as sun protection. That doesn't only make sense in comparison to real life but also even in the Avatar universe. Bad job Tim Hedrick (writer of the Dessert episode), bad job. Besides that a solid episode but that Aang and co don't wear sun protection bugs me.
"Lack of adult" Yes, this is a mistake indeed. Why aren't any adults with the Gaang? Are they all busy fighting each others and trying to kill the Gaang and being dead? Oh wait...
@@AntoineBandele oh damn, first hello there, second I looked at some of them but I didn't find any, maybe I should look more, but thanks for leting me know UwU (here's a cookie 🍪)
Killing someone on purpose and on accident kinda are not exactly the same things. Especially in the Avatar State Aang didn't have control at first and what happened there was beyond him. But directly killing Ozai would have been on purpose and that's completely different
You guys know that ozai was going to kill zuko with his lighting during the black sun because ozai never knew that zuko could redirect lighting so that was meant to kill zuko
Also, re the harshness of the darker subjects: I think anyone with half a brain would see that ATLA was aimed not at kids but at whole families. It wasn't just some random kids' cartoon. It was intelligently written with great (and greatly paced) character and plot development. I think easily by the time of "Zuko Alone," the writers and showrunners saw this and so did not shy from darker themes (like Ozai being a horrible father but also the son of a horrible father), knowing that these ideas would spur family discussions.
I think why Aang felt conflicted about killing Ozai because it was him making the first play to kill him. When Aang was fighting against other people, he was usually the provoked and was acting mostly in self defense. But in Ozai’s case, Aang had to go kill him despite the fact that Ozai did not threaten him directly (like attack him directly with fire).
In my opinion little to nothing really aged badly, it's just a product of it's time, like zim and Ed, Edd 'n Edy. I am honestly sad most series (not all, but most) have lost this charm due to several different reasons
I think the “Where Are The Adults” section was based off of a very American centric view, a lot of nations in Europe and Asia don’t have the same idea about constant supervision of teens.
Exactly! I’m glad they had mature themes, especially abuse, because it brings awareness of the issue to kids, and they can maybe identify if they’re experiencing it. Ozai wasn’t just physically abusive, but the instances with him just talking to zuko really conveyed the emotional aspects to. It represented to kids the different forms of abuse, which I think is really cool of the writers to do.
I have a problem with Number 2. My biological father abused me growing up, and I really related to Zuko. He's my favorite fictional character period. I'm glad they put all on him and not Ozai. The abuse isn't the worst part it's learning to forget how to be abusive. Abuse is learned and Zuko has to unlearn it. Iroh knows this, which is why he takes it and still sticks with Zuko, he's the father Ozai never was and pulls Zuko off of a very dark path. That's the part that helped me. That's the part that stuck with me. Not focusing more on the abuse itself makes it less dominant and makes the journey to recovery the most important part.
I have the head canon of, “ the air nomads split people based on gender because they didn’t want there kids to have any earthly desires or tethers” I mean that kinda of thinking is brought up a lot by Airbenders, predominantly in the teachings of the Guru flying dude who I can’t spell the name of.
I sort of agree with the argument that Katara’s relationship with Aang was overly maternal. Yes, she’s a very nurturing character, and that’s one of my favorite qualities about her, but her motherly instincts kick into overdrive when it comes to Aang. She often goes out of her way to shield him from hard truths and placate him in a way you don’t see with the other members of the Gaang; even Toph and Zuko commented on this. On its own, it’s not necessarily a bad thing, but I think the biggest issue is that we never get to see their romantic relationship mature past that in the series, leaving people with the impression that Aang is “basically dating his babysitter.”
first video ive seen from you and i gotta say, i love the vibe of just chilling on the couch with a cat (even if it doesnt appear to be a normal thing)
The race thing is pushing it a bit because animation is such a flexible genre. Not every character in anime is automatically Asian. They'll most likely speak Japanese because it was made by Japanese creators for Japanese audiences. Hence, this American show has American voice actors. Why do we make aliens speak English in the movies? Or why are some boy characters voiced by females?
Why are they complaining that the show adresses sexism (NOT condones it btw). When it also adresses topics like poverty, war, massacre, opression by authorities etc. All very relevant real world issues.
Yue was about to get married at the age of 16 so it might mean legal age is 16 for the serie. Considering that main characters are around 16 its ok for them to do somethings. Atleast for me
The whole issue with Katara being too motherly makes no sense, there was an episode where Toph feels like Katara is being too motherly, & Sokka tells her that Katara took on that role since their mom died, so she kind of filled a role
Aang killed more people than Ozai? Umm no. Who is waging a war here? Sokka's sexism? It's meant to be there to show character development. Mature topics in a kids show? I can't imagine how Avatar would age had it not been for tackling mature topics than your usual kids show. No LGBT+ rep in ATLA? It might just be me but I feel like this is a universe thingy. During Aang's time, I feel like not a lot of people were open about their sexuality because society is much more conservative just like our world so it kinda makes sense that there are little to none open LGBT people also in their universe. Of course as we went through the times, we became much more progressive and accepting of gender and sexual orientation. *I feel like if there's one thing that didn't age well, it's categorizing ATLA as a kids show. 🤣🤣*
Sokkas sexism is clearly part of his character development. Its not like someone was like "hey guys we should make him nicer to girls" he grows as a person
People only like Zutara because they wanted Katara to nurture Zuko’s broken, brooding, cool guy image. Essentially, they wanted her to heal/fix him. I think she was more compatible with Aang. Being motherly is part of her character arc
It is criminally underrated how absolutely logical and wise Antoine is in all of his points. A lot of people in the comments are actually just discussing and adding to the topic. This is rare in modern times.
10 things that didn't age well in avatar Last Airbender: Me: screenrant themselves? Cause they're...what's the word... "crazier then an elephant sewer rat"
One thing not mentioned, the one thing that aged poorly about the show for me has nothing to do with the show itself, but that it was aired in 480p. Being in a 4 x 3 aspect ration and lower resolution definitely shows that this was a show made in the early 2000s especially when watching on a modern TV. Nothing you can really do to fix this and its not the fault of the show itself and it doesn't hinder my love and enjoyment of ATLA, but being that the show was made in 2005 and most TVs back then were still CRTs it isn't something that could have been avoided or changed.
The article should’ve been titled, “How well does ATLA measure up to leftist orthodoxy.” Pretty much all of these “issues” aren’t really issues at all, especially when it comes to character development.
6:41 they actually addressed this in the Runaway episode I thought? Like Katara's mothering just pushes Toph overboard and Sokka talks about how even though he's the older brother Katara basically raised him. They mention at least once, maybe more, that since Kya died, Katara took her place to fill that void. We kind of see the same thing happen in Bleach: when Masaki died, every family memeber dealt with the trauma differently and Yuzu's way of doing so was becoming the homemaker and doing all the housework and cooking her mom used to do before she died. You have to remember how young these characters are and hoe young they were when they're mom died and their response to that actual trauma. Katara's mothering and her talking about her mother a lot is why Katara is kind of a meme in the fandom but it's also how she dealt with the trauma.
The article was total clickbait wow. Like it didn't even seem particularly committed to the points it was making, seemed kinda forcing itself to find things to nitpick in many cases. Such as "there’s also something to be said for telling stories that imagine a world free from [sexism]" like that's not actually even describing something that "didn't age well" it's just an opinion. It's not even really making a strong argument, it's just saying "ummmm maybe this is something someone would disagree with?" "The amount of freedom and lack of parental supervision that all of the teens in the world have seems really irresponsible." This also doesn't feel like an "aging poorly" thing. It's just kind of an opinion about the trope. Yeah I find the article super dull, it shouldn't have forced itself to be a numbered list since it only had a few coherent points. It didn't even bring up the handful of things I think ACTUALLY didn't age well such as - Iroh pretending to be paralyzed so a paralyzed woman would have to lie on top of him - making fun of a person with apparent dissociative identity disorder in The Painted Lady Other moments like that, idk.
I agree with all your points! The only thing I found weird was how Katara's relationship with Aang went from motherly/sisterly to romantic. Oedipal Complex, much?
Very well done video, lots of valid points. I will say one thing I was surprised that wasn't brought up by Screenrant that I noticed in season 1 that did not age well at all is in the episode where Zuko hires June with her giant anteater thing with the paralyzing ability (a shirshu?), when June and Zuko get hit by the paralyzing tongue, Iroh purposefully lets June fall on him and pretends to be paralyzed himself, knowing she won't be able to move for the next hour (or however long the effect lasts, I forget). Although I'm sure at the time that the show writers thought it seemed like a harmless joke, it hits very differently nowadays. Especially for Iroh of all people to do that; he was developed through the entire series as a man who carefully considered EVERYONE'S thoughts, feelings, wants, and needs, so for him to do that feels very icky.
It’s possible some avatars did. In the Kyoshi novels, they made it seem as if it was a choice for a non native airbending avatars to get tattoos if they want to but none of the known ones did.
I understand it’s annoying to have characters that have less then ideal personality’s like sokka being sexist but if you write your characters without any flaws there’s nowhere to go, if sokka had been perfect from the beginning there wouldn’t be any growth or nuance to his character it would just be a flat line without anything interesting happening
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*Things that didn't Age well in ATLA:*
1. Almost everything when Aang was in the Iceberg
Duchi that’s actually very funny
True man
5 year olds be like wut that
😂😂😂😂😂
Hahahaha so funny!!
dude... sokkas whole sexism thing is completely intentional because they get to show him growing out of it...
EXACTLY! To have him not sexist at the start would defeat the whole purpose.
Especially cause they show women beating him up to show that he is wrong it's not like they portray it as being right
Your correct but think about this his dad and all the other men left as warriors so he would think that as he has never been anywhere else
You gotta flaw characters so they have a positive future to grow into
Yeah, it's called a character flaw lol
The thing with “ Where are the Adults?” Thing is that in the Avatar world, they would not be considered underage. Sixteen is of age, Yue was getting married at 16, Zuko is ruling a nation at 16, Sokka is the oldest male in his village at 15, Suki is the leader of her village’s defence at 15/16. It does not take place in modern times so you can’t really think of it in term of how children/teens are expected to act or the level of responsibility that they would have today
Exactly the only two people that were actually children in the group was aang, who technically was an adult, and toph who ran away from home because the adults around her coddling her. It would've been more weird and wrong if someone in their 20s or older was traveling with them the whole time.
I mean to be fair even here is the U.S it was not long ago 16 was the "marry" age
In Japan, which avatar is based off of, the age of consent is 13. You can get married at 13. So it makes sense in their world.
@@orionc.5407
1) Avatar isn't based off of Japan. It is inspired by a variety of cultures. Japan is just one of the larger influences.
2) Right now, the country-wide age of consent is pretty low - like you said. (I remember it as 14, but I could be wrong.)
However, pretty much every prefecture has their own law raising that number to something higher - usually 16 or 18.
3) Assuming that the world is around the age of feudalism, asian countries had _higher_ than average age of marriage.
Most of europe considered adolescent children ready for marriage. That would mean somewhere between 9 and 13.
China - arguably an even bigger influence on the show than Japan - had various laws that would put it's "age of consent" well above the 9-13 range.
4) Jumping back to modern times, there are quite a few places where you can marry before 18. There are states in the us where it's 16, and a few European countries have it as low as 12.
And yet, not a single of of these considers 17 year olds to be adults. Age of consent doesn't equal age of adulthood.
@@hundvd_7 oh ok
Are they under the impression that giving a character flaws equals flawed writing???
Apparently so
Character flaws make them down to earth and relatable, and therefore more loveable. If you make everyone in the show perfect, why is there even a story? You know they're gonna succeed without trying or growing from the experience
@@pissapocalypse I know, there's no story without character growth. Characters can't grow if they have nothing to work on in the first place. They argue Sokka's sexism didn't age well even though the show has a viewpoint that still conforms with modern beliefs. That's why it's written as a character FLAW. And it's still a relevant real world issue. So it aged perfecly fine in my opinion. To suggest that adressing a topic that you're not comfortable with is bad writing is the most narrow minded, self-centered reasoning I can imagine. I was actually in disbelief at the sheer stupidity.
They have the same problem with korra
As far as characterizations go I actually think Sokka growing out of his learned sexism, Toph being tough but occasionally wanting to be all fancy, and Katara being really nurturing but also a prodigious water bending fighter all show that people can be multifaceted and make them good characters. Just because some women might enjoy being nurturing doesn’t mean they aren’t also strong and courageous. People aren’t one dimensional
THIS
Right! And it’s not like the show spontaneously switches from things to thing; it gives a reason as to where these things come from and show visible insecurities with the characters when they break certain norms for their character, which also leads to more visible growth (aka, Sokka being uncomfortable with Suki beating him but asking her to teach him was shown to be an uncomfortable situation to push past in order to break from his sexist views and show growth) or can just solidify what we already know about a character without the need for growth when they’re confronted with a situation outside of what they usually act like (eg: how Toph agreed to a girls day, but the resolution to that episode was that she definitely did not care what she looked like but she can still have fun having a girls day and that different was okay too. She already knew this, and she didn’t need to grow from that episode because she had known what worked for her already, but that showcased something that Toph knew all along that we the audience never saw her in a situation such as this).
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exactly! also, Katara's being a nuturer is part of what makes her strong. I wouldn't be surprised if she got her healing powers purely because she was so connected tp that motherly/nurturing side of herself. Part of bending is very spiritual, so for someone to be a healer it makes sense for them to naturally want to heal others, which is how Katara is.
@@SebastianSeanCrow soooo truuuuuuueeeeee 💙
I think the makeover was a good thing. Toph clarifies that she's never actually cared about her appearance since she knows who she is, but it is likely that we still feel insulted if someone calls us ugly. It makes her more human and more than just a funny tomboy. Plus nobody says that we cannot have more sides. I usually wear hoodies and large pants, but I like to wear dresses from time to time. Does it change my personality? No. Also the episode was about welness and to relax. It feels good to be clean and dressed up nicely from time to time. It doesn't take anything away from Toph. It only makes her more relatable and shows that the character designs are not only one dimensional.
Thank you for saying it.
Totally agree. I love tomboy Toph but she can have a moment when she wants to feel pretty. I'm a guy who doesn't care that much about my appearance but I do like to feel neat and clean from time to time. I want to feel vulnerable sometimes too, that doesn't take away any of my manliness or masculinity away.
This is a really good point! I didn’t like that short at first for the reasons in the video but you are right even if you don’t care what you look like being told your ugly hurts! I just wish they didn’t have her wear quite as much make up! (That may also be because I didn’t really like how they drew the makeup it looked weird)
@@Ignasimp P R E A C H
@@knkruegs I did not like her makeup either hahaha, but the message is still good uwu
i disagree with this. The real world its full of issues, like sexism, racism, social injustice, etc. You cant make a series extremely 'politically correct', because you will lose every conflict opportunity or the possibility to the character to grow up
And not everyinthing that is politically correct is a good thing. Most of what is considered politically correct i find them far worse than what they are trying to solve.
Francisco Verdugo Exactly. Stories of growth can’t happen in Utopia.
We could have had more LGBTQ+ characters but that is a mark of the times unfortunately that wouldn’t exist if the creators made the show today.
You know what...a think I understand now why Netflix wants to made the show "older". There is a LOT of things that are not for kids!!
Lmao I feel like most people don’t feel like this.... it’s just that these 22 and under kids are loud af so it sounds like everyone is saying these sensitive ass things when in fact it’s only a couple hundred people. I notice most kids 24 and up aren’t all sensitive like these younger kids
@@Ignasimp let me discuss serious topic with you, please (it is not retelling of propagandons` words)
Number of victims of war (or however it is called) is equal to number of people which are not needed to economics. Those are not that very people, who are the less needed. Those are absolutely various people, only number of them depend on economics. There already are some economical theories, describing how to solve this problem centralisely. But it isn`t solved. There are some “oasises”, but they are not closed systems.
Last year i got some idea, which gave me hope, and which was full of mistakes. Now let me introduce to you it`s new version
We should try to consume as much humanhours as possible. We can nearly see, which of proposed things include more humanhours (all i know now, is only the fact that work in little business is organized less effectively than in big)
We, being consumers, can effect on market. We may rise demand on humanhours. And distributing of those workhours between different people, is the thing which we do being in role of workers. Those were professional unions, which were supposed to distribute workhours in social way, but they don`t.
Rising demand in humanhours, you give oportuniny to yourselves as a worker to take those number of working hours, than you really need, but not those that employer want.
Leave workhours for your potential killer, please
Mai: *But don’t ever break up with me again*
*Looks at comic*
Bruhhhhh, and she gets another wimpy boyfriend
Specimen X yeah but he isn’t cranky af like zuko at least
Hahahahaa
@@4Valentinus she already brake up with him and get more close to Zuko
Ilexis Jimenez no that isn’t confirmed but ok
All of these points seem like people don’t like character development
Everyone should start off perfect! Right?... sigh
Antoine Bandele exactly, I thought that personal growth in the show was some of the best ever done, we got characters who were so enclosed in their bubble who had to grow by traveling with a 12 year old avatar who didn’t want that on his shoulders. So they went from what they knew to learning new things, and that changed their outlook. Thought it was amazing but i guess not?
And that no characters are allowed to have flaws ever
To me, those ten points aren’t really that much of a big deal. The only thing that kinda bugs me is that there is romance in a children’s show. Sure, it might not be much of a big deal and/or not be that much romance, but I personally think romance in shows should be reserved for older audiences
HA.Rpg.T 1207 kids still have feelings of Romance in a sense. Like they still have little crushes and such that’s normal. I see no reason to leave that out. They are teenagers at the end of the series zuko is 16 so yeah he will start to desire a relationship
I agree with him on the voice. Race shouldn't matter as much in voice acting, it should just be who does the character the best
It's especially funny given that anyone can sound like anyone.
Jordan Saylor exactly because it’s voice actress and actors no one really care if they voice fits the characters best
I think it only matters when we actually see the actors portray the characters on screen.
@@gav2057 Exactly, like the issue with the live action show. We definitely needed actors playing characters with their race, but for VA, we won't see their face so what's the issue?
@@midnightthoughts8519 Yeah, it just fits the character's and their worlds best.
The whole Avatar series is based around Asia mostly, so it would just be precise having Asian actors to play the parts
VA's don't really matter; they just need someone to voice the character, and bring them to life.
I would argue voice acting is one of the few mediums that is truly equal opportunity for *everyone* because people don't see you skin or your gender, they just hear your voice. How many times have you looked up who voiced a character and were surprised by what they looked like?
if its an equal opportunity, then why do most of them go to whites?
idlebruh maybe, just maybe, they were the best for the job!
Cory, all the time. And Idlebruh, if you believe that, you should really look up voice actors like Phil LeMarr, Lauren Tom, Regina King, Kevin Michael Richardson, Johny Yong Basch, Kimberly Brooks (who have voiced non-POC characters).
Exactly voice acting I would argue takes more talent than live acting
The fact that someone can voice a character whom they share few if any characteristics is a testament to their talent
@@AntoineBandele those VA are outliers, ot the norm.
I'm black and that voice actor thing is honestly splitting hairs because no one has honestly gotten offended because someone was black and was played by white person(Cleveland Brown being a prime example) or vice versa it's just a bunch of people trying to find things to complain about it's so annoying
It's sad the dude who plays Cleveland actually left the rtolllle cuz people were offended and he tweeted he apologizes
THIS. I'm ALL for representation. But that sort of thing is too far and not as productive as those people who have issues with it think it is.
@@AntoineBandele exactly like bro NO BLACK PERSON was actually complaining about it, people are asking for change in real issues and the solution isn't pandering and tokenization. Forcing diversity doesn't help anyone
I'm not a VA or big in the scene, but I agree that seems like a weird nitpick. Live-action is one thing but a voice is different and even some ppl who look like they would fit the part their voice doesn't. I mean how many male characters in media are voiced by women
I think that if the characters role is mainly about being black then give them a black voice actor, and same with any other race. Other than that I really don’t care honestly.
Anyone who says Katara plays too “motherly” of a role hasn’t watched or read anything about ATLA ever at any point.
Yeah. They’re criticizing characters for being human and having realistic qualities. In her circumstances, it’s completely understandable why she would turn out to be more maternal.
Plus, what’s wrong with being maternal? Real women exist who are more maternal and traditional. It shouldn’t be looked down upon as inferior to other personality types. I hate when people think that traditionally-valued men and women need to be put down in order to uplift less traditional people.
Those critics probably aren't aware of her background
Her being maternal is presented as something good and bad. And it makes sense given how Katara and Sokka loose their mom and are left with a father that is protective but not very nurturing, and he leaves. Sokka and Katara try to fit the roles of their absent parents
Also some women are naturally motherly, or they're motherly due to their upbringing. It's just what some people's personalities are.
Jen he hearted this..
I desagree of most of them. Especially the one about toph, toph is a tomboy, but that episode was about trying something New, It was Very inportant for her to try in a healthy way, do i like this? At the end she was "NAH im me" but the episode was really important
THIS
I really related to toph when I was younger and I thought this actually made her MORE relatable. I was tomboy as a kid and I was sort of indoctrinated into the "femininity in any way is weakness" thing. It wasn't directly what forced me to confront that belief but it definitely helped me see that being a powerful girl doesn't have to come from either being completely perfectly feminine or from being "one of the guys". It made me less ashamed of being interested in makeup and traditionally feminine stuff while still having pretty traditionally "masculine" interests.
also we got to see toph and katara
exactly. it was actually such an important segment because it showed toph that being "girly" doesn't have to mean giving up any other part of herself. femininity isn't a weakness
Same thought. It was important to show that episode to emphasize Toph's own personality/appearance since that(traditional feminine style) was like her opposite and her trying it in a healthy way is a good way to showcase how you can try things out of your comfort zone or things far from your usual nature in a non-toxic way. At the end of the day, what matters is finding yourself, get back if you're lost/uncomfortable after trying new things and embracing your true self which Toph did for the rest of the series. 💓
The fact that Aang killed the Buzzard-wasp actually makes sense. He was in such a fit of rage because Appa went missing that he didn't care about other lifeforms, he just wanted Appa.
Cheese Ham Also Aang: *refuses to kill Ozai who’s been the cause of hundreds of dead and continues the war that Genocided his people*
@@moki4895 In the case of Ozai, taking his bending away was probably a lot worse for Ozai than death.
Yeah no that was out of character
King Arthur no not really, so many characters in the show didn’t have bending, sure he might be humiliated but worse than death yeah noo...
@@popnpets8022 The difference between characters like Sokka and Suki who are skilled with weapons and other things, Ozai completely prided himself on his bending ability, calling himself the "Phoenix King", and even being really skilled at Firebending. He literally preferred Azula because she was a better firebender than Zuko, and he even wanted to have the Avatar killed so that way there could be no other force in the world that was more powerful than him. Ozai is the type of person that wouldn't get himself out of a depression after realizing that he could never firebend again. All of that power he once had is gone now, and he's also behind bars. To Ozai, he probably would have preferred death.
(EDIT): And to add onto Aang killing the wasp, he was severely pissed off by losing Appa, the last living Sky Bison from his time. Aang was also out in the hot desert, probably dehydrated and rightfully angry, amplified by his desperate feeling for where Appa was.
The air nomads actually separated by temple, men in the north and south, women in then west and east. As said in the video, probably just mimicking real monks
Right. Gotta be fair to what they were doing... and that was taking direct influence from real-world monks. However, I do understand with it being a fantasy how one could take issue with that. Because you can change the rules if you want and apply some social commentary.
Doesn't this gender separation actually help with focusing on religious studies, especially the kind that Buddhist monks practice? I think it makes much more sense for them to behave this way than to have them mixed for the sake of progressivism.
Antoine Bandele: The issue is that, then, people (likely including the author of this article) would be criticizing the show creators for westernizing other cultures or for not doing enough research on the cultures they drew from. It’s a lose-lose situation
@@AntoineBandele It does seem weird, but I'd argue it shows a bit of variety in the Air Nomad culture. Just because the Air Nomads are generally more egalitarian and open-minded than the other nations doesn't necessarily mean they're perfect. Even in real life, some countries and cultures can have a bizarre and dogmatic belief that sticks out from the rest of them. And vice versa.
What I do wanna know is where baby Airbenders come from?!!
Point no. 3- Lack of Parental supervision
HAVE U SEEN POKEMON?!
Lol, so true
I mean 10 year old better than 6(Dora)
And at least in avatar it is (mostly) because of war. The parents are dead, busy fighting, or evil dickhead who are just using their kids. Yes Ozai, I'm looking at you: she can fight already, then she should. We can see that in a lot of war driven cultures that just cannot allow to have their children to just be kids because there is a war to be fought. The only unjustified lack of parental supervision within the show is basically the Kyoshi warriors (but maybe in their culture of you become a warrior you are deemed to already be able to manage yourself).
Have you ever seen a TV show
At least Aang has Avatar Roku
Besides would you really give up the opportunity to have Mark Hamil voice your villain?
Hell. No.
honestly, I was so mind blown when I found out he voiced Ozai. Danta Basco literally has referred to a scene he had with him as the Luke Skywalker theme where "Luke is Vader and he's Luke". You def need some big names sometimes and Mark is just so skilled.
He inspires fear, Screw being in the light. Joker, trickster, And Fire lord Ozai
People who think Toph's makeover is problematic have missed the point by 10,000 miles. Shows with strong female characters, especially in the 90s and 2000s tended to show those strong female characters only displaying traditionally masculine traits. Typically, they'd also frame feminine traits as lesser. "Girly girls" in kids media at the time were always kind of annoying and/or antagonist characters. It really reached a point where I, as a little girl who liked to play in the mud, basically thought that displaying any part of my femininity was a weakness, and made me dislike other girls that didn't hesitate to be feminine. This episode reminded young viewers that you can be a badass and still embrace your femme side and be vulnerable and insecure. Additionally, by having Toph and Katara deal with the popular feminine mean girl character while they were all equally made up and feminine looking, it reminds the viewer that the toxic parts of the "mean popular girl" character are her personality, not her femininity. If you have an issue with this episode, maybe it's worth asking yourself why a character expressing even one modicum of superficial femininity bothers you so much.
Kat
Exactly
Exactly, perfectly said
I agree but I think people thought way too much about it. The point about the scene where Toph had a tear and said “I know who I am” when the girls made fun of her appearance shows that even the most toughest people are still humans with feelings.
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Right and also people might want to present more feminine sometimes even if they usually aren’t that way
Where are the adults? Dead, captive, or fighting the fire nation
Exactly
Here's your 100th like. This article really is stretching it.
Prisoners for the fire nation and they are adults when it comes to ATLA
Hell yeah! Prince Zuko was the lucky one in this regard. While Avatar Aang was constantly looking for a master (it was what drove his plot) to look after and train him, adults were too busy (or sometimes, indeed, too dead) to be with him on his travels, instead, only being able to train him while he was settled down in place.
Meanwhile, a General of the army and former crown prince, a legend of his age, could always be found not too far behind his beloved nephew at any given time.
Mufasa was a lion but he wasn't played by a lion
voice acting shouldn't matter in my opinion just who fits the role best. That's how it should be in theatre as well
Tons of cartoon characters are voiced by the opposite gender. One example is Pokemon. A female voices Ash but her voice is a perfect fit.
@@alphawolfgamerarchived3973 The Dragon Prince, Ezran is voiced by girl
I think most people's issue is with minority characters being voiced by someone who isn't part of that minority is that people who fall into minorities usually have a harder time getting roles due to the bigotry that's still very normalised.
Bro I'm offended that mufasa isn't voiced by a lion. It is discrimination against lion culture
Brenda from Gravity Falls is voiced by a man, yet nobody’s complaining about that.
I think Katara being a nurturer is fine, because she's more than that.
yeah and be nurturing is pretty hard.. so i respect her for that.
Exactly
It makes sense for her to be maternal. Her mom died at a young age, all the men left the village and only left a few women who were either moms or grandmothers, and she was roped in to look after all the kids, her brother who spent all his time trying to be a soldier, and as such she was raised in a almost 100% maternal society. Of course this will be a key aspect of her character.
Don't think most of these things are really an issue, for me. Can definitely see where they're coming from though. The final point sure is dated though, but I don't think it's an overall issue.
It's almost like most people in the world are straight and cis and having a full straight and cis cast isn't weird at all.
I think it's Nickelodeon's fault. They made the creators portray the bi relationship in LoK more subtly than they wanted to, so they probably went further on the original ATLA
It's pretty understandable why ATLA didn't have a lot of LGBT+ representation either. It just wasn't done in kids shows at the time because of the risk of cancelling.
I mean if you think the fact that they are just kids traveling the world on their own, you also have to consider the fact that the time periods shown in the avatar world(During ATLA and ATLOK times) is reflective of our world around the 1850's(present day time at the start of ATLA) - 1920's(ATLOK times).
During those times in our world you would probably be living on your own and doing what was considered to be a full time job at the time at the around the age of 12-14 years old. plus you could also consider that at those times; marrying age without parental consent for the majority of the world was 12 for girls and 14 for boys. The average minimum conscription age during WWI varied around 16-18 as well.
So if the concept is viewed from that historical lens; it really isn't that suspect that no one would bat an eye at a bunch kids traveling and living without adult supervision. In those days children that age would not need adult supervision.
But if viewed from a present day lens; it is weird. And yes this is a general trope of the genre.
@@teslercoil5174 THIS!!! You just put in the exact words what I was thinking
I would have to disagree with you on the part about lack of adult supervision in the world of Avatar.
With a modern perspective yes, the lack a adult supervision would be an issue. But even looking back in ancient times, it was expected of kids who reached puberty to work.
And yes they would usually have some form of mentor to teach them (Though Team Avatar also had mentors who taught them so it still isn't to different), they were a lot more independent than kids of the modern era.
You also should take into consideration that the Avatar world has been embroiled in war that has lasted 100 years, and many adults would have died or are preoccupied to travel with Aang to help him learn the elements. As that is the Avatars duty to the world, and no adult is going to tell the Avatar not to do his job.
As to the "Where are the parent's" argument that I hear a lot. I feel Avatar answers this exceptionally well, unlike other stories. For Aang, the entirety of his people are gone, so that's an easy one. For Katara and Sokka, their mother was killed by the Fire Nation, and their dad is off fighting in the war, so they can't rely on him. Their village is also devastated, so their is no one else other than these two who could go with the Avatar. No one else was capable of helping Aang on his journey. Toph obviously ran away from home, but it wasn't as if her parents just abandoned her, they hired people to track her down and bring her home, because they were worried. Zuko is also an easy one, his father banished him, mother was missing, but he had Iroh to help guide him, so he is the only character who had an guardian watch over him for the majority of his journey. He also had Irohs teachings to fall back on when there wasn't an adult around.
It's obvious that the world of Avatar is not full of neglectful adults who are to incompetent to solve their own issues and need children to solve it for them. It's actually a world, where everyone is weary of a century long war, where the adults are constantly fighting to hold on to that which they love. And everyone is desperate for the Avatar to return and to fulfill his duty, but are so preoccupied that they can't travel with him on his journey, and can only help him when he is nearby.
TL;DR The world of Avatar is complicated, and a wizard did it. 😉
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My thoughts exactly great comment.
after you sai "a wizard did it" I had to scroll up to see if you were Hello Future Me X'D
@@SebastianSeanCrow I love Hello Future Me's videos, and felt it was a fitting tldr. 😂
EXACTLY!! Glad you did the whole essay on it! Thank you. It's totally realistic given the situation they live in.
My perspective about the point about "ang probably killed people":
So, first of all, in the avatar universe, everything is so much less leathal than it should be. people get thrown about 200 meters in the air and are barely stunned (for example in the "blind bandit" episode when toff fights all those arena guys). Another example is how fire tends to just push people instead of burn them. But I don't think we should have a problem with that. So no, Aang didn't "probably kill a bunch of people", because the physics of avatar are just different.
Now, specifically about slicing the bee in half: In that episode Aang was so angry about Appa's loss. He was acting out of character in an extreme situation, like how in that same episode he practically forces himself to the avatar state when confronting the sand-benders. This happens many times in the show, like how Katara uses blood bending when getting revenge for her mother, or how Azula breaks down. So he did kill that bee, and he probably regretted it. but still, that's not the same as killing a human
Yeah I think people in the avatar verse are way less fragile then real life people. Toph literally launches Sokka like a hundred feet in air he falls straight in to his face and completely fine. Sokka is the closest thing in the group to a normal person and it seems like trained soldiers would be at least as durable if not more so
Wait i came to the comments before finishing the vid, people were offended because he killed a bee? Is that right or am i just confused
You are right. But it might be worth mentioning too that
1) the buzzard wasn't sliced. It just fell to the ground. No two pieces.
2) it might very well have survived. We are supposed to think it didn't and it probably didn't, but it might have
But aang did say he hasnt even killed a fly so it's still against his morals
I was thinking that Aang could have injured people, but if he injured them bad enough to kill them he wouldn't have known it. Or maybe he wouldn't have actually killed them directly, but hurt them, and then they were more prone to dying and died..I guess
I don’t think they separate men and women due to sexism, I feel as though it might just be an attempt at remaining sexually pure.
Egh. Sexual purity.... Hate that kind of ideology.
@@thatonedog819 their monks, it's kinda like that sometimes if that makes since
Meanwhile, all the homosexual monks are having just the best time
If by “sexually pure” you’re referring to their detachment from the physical, then yeah.
Mutated Pearl, I doubt you’ve ever faced sexism in your life. That’s the only reason why you’d say something like that.
It's funny how people were saying saying a biracial character should be voiced by a biracial or black VA but not a white woman. Like it ok for a black woman to voice the character because the character is half black but a white woman can't even though the character is also half white. Seriously sounds like the problem stems more from the fact the VA was white rather than the fact she wasn't biracial.
It sounds to me more like tokenizing poc rather than actual criticism.
It sounds like they only have a problem with white people voicing different races but when literally any other race does it it's fine. Which makes no goddamn sense. You can't even see the person when they are playing the character, it shouldn't matter. I understand getting a person of a certain race, gender, height and weight, stuff like that, if they are playing a role in live action, but voices are detached from race or gender. If people criticize white people for playing a different race, then flip around and don't care if a Mexican person plays an Indian person, then they are hypocrites.
It’s crazy how that flew right over my head the first time. The media has infected my brain.
I’m biracial and have been saying this forever!
Back then it didn't matter. Now in "good ole 2020" it's bad
The real problem I have is that representation just for the sake of representation is silly. If you aren't going to do anything with those characters that relates to that representation then it's just politics and not storytelling
Facts.
I think I’d want more elaboration on that. They have to do something that relates to the representation or it’s just political to add a represented character? Shouldn’t the representation aspect be put on the back burner? There doesn’t have to be an entire storytelling point just because a character is a minority, woman, or part of the LGBT community.
I think you got it backwards. If you are going to have 30 characters and none of them are going to be X (where X is a class of person that's common enough) then you are purposefully creating a weird group and you better do something with that.
For instance, if you are going to have 30 characters and none men, then it probably should be something that relates to the story somehow.
@@ZaESims123 The thing is to purposefully show that you're including LGBTQ characters, unless you have them just randomly announce their preferences, there'd be no reason to even bring up the fact that they would be LGBTQ. The story might even have had LGBTQ characters and we don't know because it was never brought up. That's why most shows with LGBTQ characters boil them down to that one aspect and it's all the character becomes, because the showrunners want to make sure that you know that they included those characters more than they want to actually flesh those characters out.
idk if I'd say its even actual politics, maybe more akin to wanting "woke points"/performativr activism or tokenism.
So apparently:
* It's wrong for strong female characters to have maternal personalities
* It's wrong for tomboys to like feeling pretty some times
* it's wrong to show men outgrowing sexist views through character development
* it's wrong to show emancipated minors
* it's wrong for Ozai not to have burned Zuko's other eye out
In the words of Katara "everyone's a critic"
Who said that
Just Some Furret With Internet Access if you mean the bullet points a page the video is quoting and I understand, disagreeing with. If you mean "everyone's a critic Katara".
uh, no, I think you missed the whole point. watch the video again
ThatOneFanboyDisaster I wasn't disagreeing with the creator of the video just the online "critics"
Jet didn't age well
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Bruh.....
Jet didn't age w̶e̶l̶l̶
TOO. SOON.
Aang was 112 so I think it’s okay for them to travel with him
Biological age has very little to do with emotional age ;-)
@@AntoineBandele the actual thing that did not age well at all that I'm shocked wasn't mentioned was Iroh sexually assaulting June in "Bato of the Water Tribe" as a "Joke". He was laying on top of her while she is basically Roofied. You can't get away with the "pervy old man" joke nowadays (which is good!)
Alchemist1330 but so is aang
@@Alchemist1330 it's not as creepy as you're portraying it. She's on top and resting on his chest cuddle style with his arm on her shoulder. That said, it is creepy but I wouldn't go as far as to say it's sexual assault.
@@dualipastan Aang is what?
The thing though that seemingly no one seems to mention whenever they say “Aang has killed people so him not wanting to kill Ozai makes no sense” is that the show literally addresses this in the Guru episode.
Katara most likely knows where children come from, as she assisted Kanna in births. It's also possible the others did too after they helped give birth to Hope.
Quite honestly, the air nomads are a bit of an interesting bunch that I could see being torn between Conservative and Progressive values in a way that is not displayed in the show. The Air Nomads are all about detaching themselves from the world to achieve spiritual enlightenment. In that way, it makes sense to split the genders, wouldn't want people forming the most common form of attachment possible so easily in the form of heterosexual relationships and to that end homosexual relationships could possibly be viewed as similarly troublesome though less common. I think this idea of separation to remove attachment is supported by Zuko saying that "Aang wouldn't know of fathers, being raised by monks" showing that Airbenders weren't raised by their biological parents again, in what I believe is an effort to remove attachment.
That said though, air is the element of freedom and Korra does have a bit of an argument when she says "You keep telling me to embrace freedom but won't even let me listen to the radio". The question that I think Air Nomads would struggle with is can one be truly free if they cannot choose attachment or can one only become free by achieving enlightenment and moving beyond the world of earthly attachments.
Next thing on their list is how Air Nomads separated children from their parents, I bet.
That's kinda what I was thinking. I just didn't know the best way to word it
In the comics it was stated that the air nomads were free to love anyone. Homosexual relationships weren't taboo or frowned upon. If you loved someone, you loved them, was basically how they saw things.
I guess they see freedom not as just choosing what you want, but also not letting some aspects of what you want to be in conflict with other things you want, and therefore hinder your judgment and action. An addict is free to choose his drugs, but will be neglectful of his other needs, which means that all other facets of him obey his addiction which he surely enjoy when high, but still suffers cause he can't choose to follow his dream to become something he wants for example.
Romantic love is similar cause especially young people will go out their way to please their love interest, will do things they not enjoy and would hate to do after some time and even fight friends they once hold dear, only to regret it afterwards. So one part of them hold the rest of their character in chains and they couldn't choose with clear eyes what is good for them.
feels like most of these are stretching it
same
Seems to be a common thread between places like Screenrant and Buzzfeed.
@@AntoineBandele they are desperate for woke points and even just to have more content
“Darth Vader is a crusty old white dude” that got me 😂😂😂😂
The Last Airbender was
*Breathtaking*
*Zaheer has entered the chat*
Hahahahha 😂😂😂
No you're breathtaking
After the episode where the pregnant lady gave birth, I'm sure they know where babies COME FROM, but idk if they know how they get there lol
Don't worry my friend, Kataras gonna explain the birds and the bees to him eventually.
One of the women in the tribe probably gave Katara (and possibly Sokka) a quick rundown on where babies come from.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 What a weird way to say this
Hahaha i thought the same thing lol
Anthony Rodriguez Katara delivered hundreds of babies, per her own admission. Especially since she was the daughter of the chief and that’s the wife of the chief’s traditional job. She more than likely knew how babies got there.
And Aang probably knew since there was likely festivals where the sexes met, could meet, and create babies.
For the final point is something that lowkey bugs me I get why representation is important but I rather it not be there instead of just making a character to fit a checklist and within the context of the show it really makes no sense for anyone to be openly part of the LGBTQ+ because the fire nation at the time isnt very fond of it and I'm all for representation but only if it makes sense to be in it
I'm right there with you. Don't pander.
The “where are the LGBT characters?” Part is almost solely because of nickelodeon, they wouldn’t even let the finale of LoK allow a kiss between korra and Asami and didn’t let them build their relationship more. Nickelodeon wasn’t letting them do it openly in 2014, let alone the early 2000s.
To be fair TLOK was cancelled so they probably assumed they would show their relationship later on (they do in the comics)
I love how we barely see anyone in a relationship(it was only like 3 and that was zuko and mai and the rest were sokka and his girls) but for some reason they made this into a sexuality issue.
@@ProfitPathwways they just wanna be offended
@@omardiagne9185 fr
@@ProfitPathwways look it up, Nickelodeon refused to show a Korrasami kiss when Bryke wanted it to happen during the last scene like Kataang - so yeah, it’s definitely a sexuality issue
He I got some nitpicks with Avatar but overall I don't think any of these points are too much of a issue. I kind of think the romance in the Avatar is one of its weakest points.
For all of its franchises (except for Kyoshi novels, lol).
Well amost characters in ATLA are kids, kids don't usually have well developed romances in real life either XD
The romance stuff is okay. The relationship between Suki and Sokka is fun to watch because their personalities mesh with each other’s perfectly. Romance has just never been a focal point in the show, so of course romance in this show would be weak compared to other shows, but the relationships they have with Kataang and Suki/Sokka were endearing to watch for what little screen time their romantic relationships had. Zuko and Mei is kind of a mess though. They just look like some high school couple from a show on CW or something lol.
Low?
The romances felt tagged on to the end with no development
Piandao: "The way of the sword doesn't belong to any one nation. Knowledge of the arts belongs to us all."
Fandom: "Yes."
Antoine: "The same applies to voice acting."
Fandom: "No."
True progress is when we could actually not care about to stupidest thing that is skin pigmentation and truly base things on content of character... hmm some guy said that once...
For Toph getting "doll up" from Tales of Ba Sing Se, it's adding a layer to the character. Tom Boys can enjoy getting "doll up" and going to the spas from time to time. It's a negative stereotype that all Tom Boys can't like/enjoy makeup or fashion. Some might hate it, others however may enjoy it in small dosage.
Agreed. she might have also been doing it for like a change, and using as an excuse yo hang with katara, that seems her character.
Hold on this is just someone trying to be woke and not actually caring for the series ngl
King Benny Garcia
Actually for real. People who write stuff like this I don’t think really have any idea about writing and storytelling. They just care about being woke and making an issue out of everything
Number kind of made me roll me eyes, and this is from an LGBT girl.
I don’t appreciate how many writers are treating LGBT and POC folks as fashion labels.
This is from a girl that is both of these things.
SAME! Though I'm just POC, not LGBT.
@@V3rxv Person Of Color
Well said
People want representation but don't realize that if we push writters to add LGBTQ+ and POC characters just for the sake of it, we are going to end up with token characters that dont much for representation. We need to push for more shows produce BY LGBTQ+ and POC so they can do it the right way.
Brian Lucero if you go into writing a character that’s POC or LGBT as writing them as the “POC or LGBT character” then you’ve already failed.
Write characters as characters. Write them as characters that just happen to be LGBT or POC. Because making a big deal out of both of these groups existing as characters is counterproductive because you’re implying that these people existing isn’t normal.
"The Air Nomads Also Seem Segregated On Gender"
.......they're monks......they're based on tibetan monks....am I missing something?
I see where they are coming from with supervision thing but I always kinda thought that was the point. To show how the war had robbed so many children of their childhood and forced them to grow faster than they should have.
I always thought no one asked because the war had made so many children orphans that it was common to see kids who were responsible for themselves. I think the only times that they were questioned about having adults around was in the fire nation which would make sense since the fire nation was the least affected by the war
Pretty sure that was never the point of the show, especially considering how they made a romance between a 12 yo and a 14 yo a thing.
This is exactly what I was thinking!!
I think that tophs makeover gives her some depth. Sometimes maybe she regrets not being normal.
"normal"?? Poor choice of words bro
Toph seems to be a misunderstood character. She IS girly when she wants to be. You can tomboy and have feminine tendencies. If anything, this makes Toph an even better character than she already is because she’s shown to not be a stereotypical TV trope in yet another way.
Manu.u yeah probably.
Edit: but in the show it says that as well
I like that episode for showcasing a struggle that Toph can't truly overcome even if it never breaks her indomitable spirit and also love how Katara and Toph's relationship develops in that short
Patton Ramming yeah
“Teens shouldn’t be running around the world.”
Me: *There’s a war going on and many of these kids don’t have their parents.*
None of this is a problem
Lol that's what I thought
Eh, not really. No.
“Today guys we’re going to discuss 10 ways how to not piss off your cat”😂
Voice acting should never matter since they aren't physically representing the character...if I was blind I'd honestly think Antoine was white since he sounds that way
Probably because there's a dialectal difference between most whites and most blacks in America, but it isn't an absolute and it doesn't happen in a lot of countries.
Imagine when these people watch Lucky Star and find out that all that all secondary characters are voiced by the same person, regardless of age and gender.
@Heru Jr. of Kemet Is there an actual physiological difference in pronunciation between blacks and whites or is it just dialectal?
@Sean Francis Waters Lancaster Yeah, that's why I said it was the reason Antoine sounds "white".
Its less artistically mattering and more about offering more jobs to minorities and letting people represent them selves
How did avatar do anything wrong? I’m confused I never once was offended
Because newage social faux pas is a thing.
Complaining about what people did in the past seems to be a thing nowadays, and I wish it'd stop. Nobody is perfect.
@@AntoineBandele OH BROTHER lmfao
They didn't give Team Avatar any sun protection in the Dessert episode, like a head gear or something. While the sandbenders wear much clothing as sun protection. That doesn't only make sense in comparison to real life but also even in the Avatar universe. Bad job Tim Hedrick (writer of the Dessert episode), bad job. Besides that a solid episode but that Aang and co don't wear sun protection bugs me.
"Lack of adult"
Yes, this is a mistake indeed. Why aren't any adults with the Gaang? Are they all busy fighting each others and trying to kill the Gaang and being dead?
Oh wait...
*Antoine talking about parental supervision * Katara: My mother is dead 💀😂
Parents don’t have to be biological. The show sort of forces adults out despite there being Iroh, King Bumi, Piandao, and Jeong Jeong.
Antoine Bandele I know I’m just joking
Bro I disagree with almost everything on this list ppl are crying over nothi g
Apparently 8k+ people disagree with u
@@jayden.02 you can like the video without agreeing with every point lol
I actually like ur channel a lot lots of people don’t even talk about avatar but u my friend still talk about this amazing show 15 years later
Dude alot of people talk about avatar...
Avatar Aang for more, I’m also an Avatar RUclipsr
Viyus Avery well from my experience people are being band wagons and jumping on the naruto trend
A Healthy Dose of Fran alright I’ll watch ur vids
I think a lot of these is just knickpicking at this point as people like to complain nowadays
I laughed so hard at the James Earl Jones/Crusty White Dude and "Is Sokka wrapping it up?" comments.
This list is just looking for problems where there are none.
Agree
Fr no one is gonna talk about how cute that cat was??? :-:
You should check some of the comments 😉 LOL
@@AntoineBandele oh damn, first hello there, second I looked at some of them but I didn't find any, maybe I should look more, but thanks for leting me know UwU (here's a cookie 🍪)
Antoine: *records the video differently because his cat is chilling on his lap*
Professionals have standards
Killing someone on purpose and on accident kinda are not exactly the same things. Especially in the Avatar State Aang didn't have control at first and what happened there was beyond him. But directly killing Ozai would have been on purpose and that's completely different
You guys know that ozai was going to kill zuko with his lighting during the black sun because ozai never knew that zuko could redirect lighting so that was meant to kill zuko
😱 never thought of it like this thats terrible 🥶
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Yeah, most of these are kind of stretches. This is why Screen Rant is good for one thing and only one thing: Pitch Meetings.
Who doesn’t love those pitch meetings
@@joeyjerry1586 Yeah, pitch meetings are TIGHT.
Also, re the harshness of the darker subjects: I think anyone with half a brain would see that ATLA was aimed not at kids but at whole families. It wasn't just some random kids' cartoon. It was intelligently written with great (and greatly paced) character and plot development. I think easily by the time of "Zuko Alone," the writers and showrunners saw this and so did not shy from darker themes (like Ozai being a horrible father but also the son of a horrible father), knowing that these ideas would spur family discussions.
I think why Aang felt conflicted about killing Ozai because it was him making the first play to kill him. When Aang was fighting against other people, he was usually the provoked and was acting mostly in self defense. But in Ozai’s case, Aang had to go kill him despite the fact that Ozai did not threaten him directly (like attack him directly with fire).
In my opinion little to nothing really aged badly, it's just a product of it's time, like zim and Ed, Edd 'n Edy.
I am honestly sad most series (not all, but most) have lost this charm due to several different reasons
That's what aging badly means
I think the “Where Are The Adults” section was based off of a very American centric view, a lot of nations in Europe and Asia don’t have the same idea about constant supervision of teens.
Exactly! I’m glad they had mature themes, especially abuse, because it brings awareness of the issue to kids, and they can maybe identify if they’re experiencing it. Ozai wasn’t just physically abusive, but the instances with him just talking to zuko really conveyed the emotional aspects to. It represented to kids the different forms of abuse, which I think is really cool of the writers to do.
I have a problem with Number 2. My biological father abused me growing up, and I really related to Zuko. He's my favorite fictional character period. I'm glad they put all on him and not Ozai. The abuse isn't the worst part it's learning to forget how to be abusive. Abuse is learned and Zuko has to unlearn it. Iroh knows this, which is why he takes it and still sticks with Zuko, he's the father Ozai never was and pulls Zuko off of a very dark path. That's the part that helped me. That's the part that stuck with me. Not focusing more on the abuse itself makes it less dominant and makes the journey to recovery the most important part.
I have the head canon of, “ the air nomads split people based on gender because they didn’t want there kids to have any earthly desires or tethers” I mean that kinda of thinking is brought up a lot by Airbenders, predominantly in the teachings of the Guru flying dude who I can’t spell the name of.
I sort of agree with the argument that Katara’s relationship with Aang was overly maternal. Yes, she’s a very nurturing character, and that’s one of my favorite qualities about her, but her motherly instincts kick into overdrive when it comes to Aang. She often goes out of her way to shield him from hard truths and placate him in a way you don’t see with the other members of the Gaang; even Toph and Zuko commented on this. On its own, it’s not necessarily a bad thing, but I think the biggest issue is that we never get to see their romantic relationship mature past that in the series, leaving people with the impression that Aang is “basically dating his babysitter.”
IS CALLED CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT INCULTURE SWINE
i swear to god that one days of these im goin to die for this
first video ive seen from you and i gotta say, i love the vibe of just chilling on the couch with a cat (even if it doesnt appear to be a normal thing)
half of these are complaints only karens would make
Bingo!
u dont know what a "karen" is if u think this.
@@idlebruh4001 karen: someone who asks mcdonalds to make their nuggets fresh
its not "Karen" its just liberal
@@B4llingKitten43 nope it's karen, these complaints are the same as complaining about not being able to breath in a mask
The race thing is pushing it a bit because animation is such a flexible genre. Not every character in anime is automatically Asian. They'll most likely speak Japanese because it was made by Japanese creators for Japanese audiences. Hence, this American show has American voice actors. Why do we make aliens speak English in the movies? Or why are some boy characters voiced by females?
Why are they complaining that the show adresses sexism (NOT condones it btw). When it also adresses topics like poverty, war, massacre, opression by authorities etc. All very relevant real world issues.
Antoine: *stops talking to cat so he can finish recording*
Cat: “so u have chosen death”
Yue was about to get married at the age of 16 so it might mean legal age is 16 for the serie. Considering that main characters are around 16 its ok for them to do somethings. Atleast for me
But then again, it was a political wedding, and as history shows, those kinds of things can get really confusing.
@@dragonheart1236 Its the logic of the serie not real world. Afterall avatar is a world of its own with its own laws
@@bulutbaydar2568 yes, but we don't know what those laws are
The whole issue with Katara being too motherly makes no sense, there was an episode where Toph feels like Katara is being too motherly, & Sokka tells her that Katara took on that role since their mom died, so she kind of filled a role
Exactly it’s like people didn’t even read it
Or watch
Aang killed more people than Ozai? Umm no. Who is waging a war here?
Sokka's sexism? It's meant to be there to show character development.
Mature topics in a kids show? I can't imagine how Avatar would age had it not been for tackling mature topics than your usual kids show.
No LGBT+ rep in ATLA? It might just be me but I feel like this is a universe thingy. During Aang's time, I feel like not a lot of people were open about their sexuality because society is much more conservative just like our world so it kinda makes sense that there are little to none open LGBT people also in their universe. Of course as we went through the times, we became much more progressive and accepting of gender and sexual orientation.
*I feel like if there's one thing that didn't age well, it's categorizing ATLA as a kids show. 🤣🤣*
It's not saying "Aang has killed more people than Ozai has," it's saying "Ozai isn't the first person Aang has killed."
So, I saw the poll said "original ending" and apparently there was going to be a book four with an Azula redemption arc.
Where are the adults? I don’t know. Maybe the global war that’s lasted for 100 years has something to do with it.
Sokkas sexism is clearly part of his character development. Its not like someone was like "hey guys we should make him nicer to girls" he grows as a person
The episode with top is about how she's not girly and thats ok
10:07 cat in the back:
Imma head out
People only like Zutara because they wanted Katara to nurture Zuko’s broken, brooding, cool guy image. Essentially, they wanted her to heal/fix him. I think she was more compatible with Aang. Being motherly is part of her character arc
1. Uncle Iroh, "unconsciously" on top of June in Bato of the Water Tribe. It's literally Sexual Assult. I love Iroh but this "Joke" did not age well.
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Exactly, I can agree on this one. That “bit” just came off as creepy for me.
I actually agree and am surprised Screenrant left THAT out (one of the few legitimate ones).
I wouldn’t call sexual assault since he didn’t do anything sexual. But I can see why it hasn’t aged well
It's almost like it's supposed to be a flaw in Iroh's character.
It is criminally underrated how absolutely logical and wise Antoine is in all of his points. A lot of people in the comments are actually just discussing and adding to the topic. This is rare in modern times.
10 things that didn't age well in avatar Last Airbender:
Me: screenrant themselves? Cause they're...what's the word... "crazier then an elephant sewer rat"
One thing not mentioned, the one thing that aged poorly about the show for me has nothing to do with the show itself, but that it was aired in 480p. Being in a 4 x 3 aspect ration and lower resolution definitely shows that this was a show made in the early 2000s especially when watching on a modern TV. Nothing you can really do to fix this and its not the fault of the show itself and it doesn't hinder my love and enjoyment of ATLA, but being that the show was made in 2005 and most TVs back then were still CRTs it isn't something that could have been avoided or changed.
The article should’ve been titled, “How well does ATLA measure up to leftist orthodoxy.” Pretty much all of these “issues” aren’t really issues at all, especially when it comes to character development.
6:41 they actually addressed this in the Runaway episode I thought? Like Katara's mothering just pushes Toph overboard and Sokka talks about how even though he's the older brother Katara basically raised him. They mention at least once, maybe more, that since Kya died, Katara took her place to fill that void. We kind of see the same thing happen in Bleach: when Masaki died, every family memeber dealt with the trauma differently and Yuzu's way of doing so was becoming the homemaker and doing all the housework and cooking her mom used to do before she died. You have to remember how young these characters are and hoe young they were when they're mom died and their response to that actual trauma. Katara's mothering and her talking about her mother a lot is why Katara is kind of a meme in the fandom but it's also how she dealt with the trauma.
The article was total clickbait wow. Like it didn't even seem particularly committed to the points it was making, seemed kinda forcing itself to find things to nitpick in many cases. Such as "there’s also something to be said for telling stories that imagine a world free from [sexism]" like that's not actually even describing something that "didn't age well" it's just an opinion. It's not even really making a strong argument, it's just saying "ummmm maybe this is something someone would disagree with?"
"The amount of freedom and lack of parental supervision that all of the teens in the world have seems really irresponsible." This also doesn't feel like an "aging poorly" thing. It's just kind of an opinion about the trope.
Yeah I find the article super dull, it shouldn't have forced itself to be a numbered list since it only had a few coherent points. It didn't even bring up the handful of things I think ACTUALLY didn't age well such as
- Iroh pretending to be paralyzed so a paralyzed woman would have to lie on top of him
- making fun of a person with apparent dissociative identity disorder in The Painted Lady
Other moments like that, idk.
I agree with all your points! The only thing I found weird was how Katara's relationship with Aang went from motherly/sisterly to romantic. Oedipal Complex, much?
I thought the thumbnail said “ Aang likes milk?”
Very well done video, lots of valid points. I will say one thing I was surprised that wasn't brought up by Screenrant that I noticed in season 1 that did not age well at all is in the episode where Zuko hires June with her giant anteater thing with the paralyzing ability (a shirshu?), when June and Zuko get hit by the paralyzing tongue, Iroh purposefully lets June fall on him and pretends to be paralyzed himself, knowing she won't be able to move for the next hour (or however long the effect lasts, I forget). Although I'm sure at the time that the show writers thought it seemed like a harmless joke, it hits very differently nowadays. Especially for Iroh of all people to do that; he was developed through the entire series as a man who carefully considered EVERYONE'S thoughts, feelings, wants, and needs, so for him to do that feels very icky.
why didn't the avatars get air bending tattoos even though they mastered it
Jeremiah Gallagher from what I remember it was a cultural thing, the tattoos were an air nomad/nation tradition - so only air nomads can get them
Probably just because they aren't from the Air Nation and it's specifically for Airbenders they don't really want tattoos unless they were idk
It’s possible some avatars did. In the Kyoshi novels, they made it seem as if it was a choice for a non native airbending avatars to get tattoos if they want to but none of the known ones did.
it's probably a personal decision, I doubt they would force you to just get some tattoos after mastering air bending.
It's not their culture........only air nomad avatars get them
I understand it’s annoying to have characters that have less then ideal personality’s like sokka being sexist but if you write your characters without any flaws there’s nowhere to go, if sokka had been perfect from the beginning there wouldn’t be any growth or nuance to his character it would just be a flat line without anything interesting happening