I love how Princess Bubblegum tell Lemongrab that its creepy to watch people while they are sleeping but catches LemonGrab in the act by using cameras that were aleady installed in everyones rooms.
@@highaunt9679 She's not just saying it's creepy, choice of words can definitely mean a lot in these context, and especially more so with PB. Her choice of wording here insinuates that it's not the action itself that she finds creepy, more so that he's the one doing it
If u watch it all the way through you'll see how in season 3 it starts to develop its lore and characters more seriously and also start to have many philosophical and thought-provoking episodes
It's not a kids show. It's a show for people ages 13 and up. That's why it came in the time slot it did, it actually turns off in the children hospital where my aunt worked right before it airs because its not for little kids😂
i love how lemongrab refers to himself as 'Fat Lemongrab' instead of just 'Lemongrab' "LOOKING FOR SOMETHING? WELL YOU HAVE FOUND ME! FAT LEMONGRAB!!!"
I've always found the most disturbing episodes of the show were the ones where Lemongrab is cannibalizing his lemon people and even his twin brother. His kingdom straight up looks like a prison, and there's that one scene where one dude hops the wall only to be spotted, captured and eaten. The way Lemongrab progressively gets larger throughout those episodes unsettles me everytime.
I remember being fucking traumatized by these episodes as a kid LMFAOOO I couldn't look away, I was just in shock, no blinking, jaw dropped, just staring, LMAO
I think Lemonhope going to the room made for him symbolizes his growth to be willing to accept kindness. He probably spent many years doing his best to not "get into debt" emotionally, not helping others on a wide scale and not accepting help on a wide scale. By coming back to the room given to him by those who cared about him, i think it shows he's matured and grown enough to be willing to accept kindness and possibly give kindness, regardless of the impact on his freedom
I'd say it's the clash of Nature vs Nurture Lemon people are selfish and/or morons by nature, but Lemonhope was raised with ideas of helping his people Even if he didn't wanna help the lemon people, he couldn't scape of the fact that his suroundings teached him to do otherwise At the end, once he finished living the life others wanted him to live, he was able to live his life by the nature he likes, while remaining, like the video says, true neutral, not seeking to do harm nor helping people
I’ve watched the entirety of Adventure Time twice now, and the Lemongrab stories were some of the saddest. Especially Lemonhope, his dreams. So childlike but so interesting.
The answer is the same as why people feel burdened by kindness we feel obligated to return kindness we accept it also we must return it, true neutrality means we must not be controlled by debt so he repaid his debt and to be free
Fun fact the line "Nadie me quiere, todos me odian" is actually a nursery rhyme. So it was more used as an easter egg for laughs rather than lemon grab's true feeling.
Honestly, i can see it being both. Would be funny if Lemongrab's whole character and development arc was started because one of the writers saw the easter egg lol
It's not just a nursery rhyme. It's an actual song, sang by Real Chicano, a Latino artist from the 90s. The song became so popular in Latin America that it created a sort of Mandela effect in that most people nowadays think it's an actual nursery rhyme when in fact it's just a terrible 90s song. It's about eating a worm, btw.
@@sewaprolo i remember it in the baby sitters club: little sister spin-off ngl---- "I'm like that worm song" "NoBoDy LiKeS mE eVeRyBoDy hAtEs Me GuEsS iLL gO eAt wOrMs" 🪱
"If you are the head that floats atop the ziggurat, then the stairs to you must be infinite. Infinite stairs, ARE, *UNACCEPTABLE!* " I always thought that line went so hard but never really understood why it was so memorable to me. Now, after properly reflecting on it, it's definitely up there with my other favourite Adventure Time scenes. Y'know, because no action yells "i accept myself" louder than murdering a primordial, sentient cult-being with the physical reminder of one of your subject's selflessness.
I also think its worth mentioning he is shown to have a somewhat stable relationship with lsp in future episodes also showing his growth and ability to accept love from others. Especially someone like lsp whos equally weird and incompatible with others in her own way. When he starts getting stressed at thier picnic because something is off to him he as politely as he can basically says "thanks but i have to leave now" instead of immediately turning violent like lemongrab 1 probably would have . Also him smiling in the finale as hes having the picture above his bed painted to be something he enjoys and wearing a catchers mitt seems to further show hes content and comfortable with his life at that point
Now I just remember one detail that may " explain " PB relationship with LG. PB herself has a brother, Ned, and he is " special " He cannot interact with other people at all and lives under the kingdom with the only thing that can calm him except her. When asked she says " People are born different, we just have to accept it ". Lemongrab was born that way, and knowing her she would try again and again to get it right. But Lemongrab stayed with the same traits, so she just acknowledged them as what he is and what does she do ? Puts him to live alone, maybe in her mind it was what he wanted, just like with Ned's This shows that PB didn't just view LG as a experiment but his own person, and with this in mind her actions take another turn. She never aims to destroy him but to help him, he is not only one of her creations but his own individual in her eyes
Yess she’s also made it clear (i thinkkk) that she sent him away to like figure out stuff for himself and be his own person. Not sure i cant remember if she actually said stuff abt that but i think so. She also wanted to keep her citizens safe people shouldn’t put pb down just like that without looking at other sides she’s a complicated character
You can also see where her mind was at when she made him because this was clearly before she finally decided dumb candy people was the better choice. Lemongrab shares PB’s desire to micromanage everything but takes it to a huge extreme to the point he breaks down if things aren’t perfect, he’s extremely smart and has a photographic memory, he could look at anything and immediately have it memorized, he loves structure and order but to a psychotic degree. Lemongrab was a born leader but something went wrong and Lemongrab became an obsessive, over controlling tyrant with a hair trigger. It takes eating his brother, having a rebellion for his hubris and being fused with his kinder brother to finally begin the process of learning how to let things go.
Lemongrab was the single most interesting thing about adventure time to me and it blows my mind that nobody cared about his story and everyone just saw him as the dumb screamy guy that was in a few episodes
Him and LSP are my favorite side characters. I think it’s their authenticity. They’re honest and truly vulnerable even if it makes others uncomfortable or if it’s not pretty. I love that.
I watched it as an elementary schooler and I was still obsessed with his character. It was funny, but it was also deeply disturbed in a way that made me want to see more at every turn.
Well, I personally dismissed the show for lots of reasons. The art style, the way the story is structured and told being too ridiculous and "quirky" and random making it impossible to capture my attention. as a kid I mostly liked non episodic straight to the point action cartoons with a story to tell that progresses each episode, adventure time didn't have that. It was sort of episodic with some plot sprinkled in some random episodes and there was tons of what seemed at the time filler episodes. The voice acting and the way the characters act and the general tumblr-esque millennial writing style and ideas made it difficult for me to watch it, I was used to cartoons written and drawn by boomers and gen x that had a bettter style and writing. I only watched the episodes that had plot, like Simon's/ice king's story and Marceline's mini series and stories about Finn's origin and the humans. But never really understood the plot because of how chaotic and scattered it was. I now can appreciate some concepts from it as an adult but I still find it unwatchable and I prefer watching/reading things that sums up the story because no way I'm watching 10 seasons of 24 episodes per season show for like 5 plotlines I like when there's so much filler episodes that are too ridiculous, like the bimo (?) being a detective and finding out that a chicken stole jewelry episode 🗿. I believe this show should me remade in a way that keeps the original intended plot but gives it a proper art style that fits the dark themes and writing the tells the story properly with no useless filler and make the characters more digestible. If they did that from the start I would've loved the show and it'd probably be 2 seasons or 3 maximum. But noooo funni joke more important 🗿
I love the philosophy and inner stories/self of these characters. I’ve always wondered if the creators of these franchises thought out the stories as deep as the people dig to find the lore, or it just comes naturally when building upon the characters.
I believe they thought it all out. The Distant Lands and Fionna and Cake series reference minor details from 10+ years ago. These writers probably have enough ideas and story to keep AT going for a century.
@@AUTHENTICXOsomtimes writter just make stuff “lol funny” with nothing more, but the later on they think of reintroducing it and build more around those character Take jojo’s bizzare adventure for an exemple, araki thought of bringing dio in the third part could be a great connection to the storie of part 1, it wasn’t planed from the start, then part 6 showed us another part of DIO more calm than he was before but still cunning and a being of pure evil In murder and mystery books. An author told me once that he know how it start and how it end but not what’s going on in the middle. He has to build the road to the end and build upon it. Making a character like lemongrab from the start isn’t easy but if you slowly build the character you can give him more side than his first apperance.
@@AUTHENTICXO They thought some things out, but a lot of things were introduced on the fly or retconned into existence. For example, pretty much the entire current characterization of Princess Bubblegum that we know didn't exist before S4.
This also puts his and LSP’s presumed relationship into perspective. Once he’d slightly normalized, in his own special lemony way, I guess it makes sense that he’d eventually attempt to make a special connection with somebody in the romantic sense. To mixed results of course, he IS still an oddball, but to results nonetheless.
Incredible video! I disagree on a few points, mainly surrounding places where I think PB was wrong. First, I think lemonwhite disproves PB's idea that lemongrab was a "mistake" or a "failed experiment." Lemonwhite is a good person, and so the only reason lemongrab wouldn't be is because of how PB treated him *after* creating him. Second, I never felt like it was tragic that lemonhope didn't change. He's a kid who's been through a lot, and now that he's finally free this immense responsibility is being heaped on his shoulders for unclear reasons. Where Finn and Jake would normally handle something like this, PB has for some reason decided it's Lemonhope's job. She gets into his head with this concept of destiny and he ends up unable to escape it. PB creates candy people ready made for a specific role and then they follow that role, and she sees nothing wrong with it. It makes sense that she would see this kid named lemonhope and decide that he has to live up to his namesake. He was created for this purpose and so he must fulfill it, and he doesn't get a say in it. When PB tries to complete the hero's narrative she's writing for him by making that bedroom for him, I find it cathartic that he says no. He's just a kid, he never deserved to be forced to be the hero he didn't want to be. He deserved the freedom to self-actualize, to make his own path, rather than follow the one PB was laying out for him at every turn. I think this is why he only goes back to sleep in that bed far in the future, once the candy kingdom has seemingly fallen to ruin and PB is presumably gone. He does want that bedroom, but only once it's finally his choice. He might have been happy to play the hero if only nobody had tried to make him do it
A "failed experiment" is an experiment that went wrong. Pb make lemongrab and afterwards realized she wanted to make something else, because of this the lemon ppl ARE capable of having empathy, love, etc but they find it much much much harder and are super liklry to live a shitty life that's why I disagree with pb creating more than than one *intentionally* Yeah I mean I agree with you on the lemonhope stuff tbh I think it would have been sad if he didn't change at all and just kept living in like this deluded freedom world but he did change anyway at like the end of LH p2. good commet!!!!
It's also interesting to note that the lemon people only care about themselves, and pb saw that as a flaw, and created dumb candy people who just chill and do whatever they're told. Pretty messed up. Lemonhope and the lemon people are probably the most normal, sentient beings PB has created. For lemonhope to reject his "destiny" made by pb, it's pretty nice
@@warmsvfflina hate to be that guy, but PB is only directly responsible for the creation of less than 5% of the total Lemon populace. We should give the credit for the success of the species to Lemongrab, who I am now calling Grease. It's to slap PB in the face for treating citizens of her municipality like cogs in a machine. Every machine needs grease.
@@lavaman9910 I don't think it was terrible of her to intentionally make the lemongrab brothers, I think it was terrible that she made both and never actually cared for them like they needed, ik many ppl born lacking empathy and if they can find comfort in eachother and with help they can better understand others and live happy lives then that's amazing and how life is, it would've been terrible that she made him all alone with no idea how to truly connect to others by never being able to find others like him and it's nice that she had made him someone who could understand him but she should've done it in the first place and should've taken the time to understand them both and take care of them rather than creating them and deciding they aren't her problem until they start to affect her life. Basically a god that's like a mother she brought a child into the world, she didn't intend for them to be different but they were and rather then care for him she left him lonely in a world full of people who could never understand him and only ever finally gave him someone else he could connect to years after long term neglect and isolation had warped his mind and then decided to leave them both again, she didn't make monsters that could never learn to love, she had accidentally made a neurodivergent kid and then left him for isolation while emotionally neglecting him as the first person even ever knew. Everyone can learn to love even people made on accident but intense parental neglect for months old babies can literally create 4 yr olds who feel nothing but anger and do nothing except try to kill others.
@@warmsvfflina I also enjoy that, she spent too much of her life barely having a grasp on psychology, autonomy, parenthood, and creating lives that she didn't care for them and I like how stupid she feels when she sees people like Lemonhope and when her candy citizens legit replaced her with some guy, and when that glass kingdom treated her like they did, I'm happy cause when she feels that way she starts to understand that she doesn't know everything and there's so much that she never learned, that's why I also like that after she was dethroned that Marceline starts to show her how to just work on herself instead of playing mom/god and incidentally abusing or purposefully genociding a bunch of her kids, she's now taken away from those roles and she starts to learn the important stuff that she should've learned before doing any of that.
Honestly this is all PBs fault. She raised Lemongrab to be an unlovable sack of crap, she gave into his every wim and tantrum and then she saw Lemonhope and was like "wow thank god I don't actually have to do anything about my mess I'll just send this literal child to deal with my problems" I can't tell if PB is just a bad character, or if the writers really wanted to make her into a monster.
I think it's kind of both, she is a play on the stereotypical fantasy princess where she's not useless due to a lack of agency but to an excess of it. she's not a fundamentally bad person, but she had no real upbringing and has about as much thought towards ethics as you'd expect of a gum sludge creature that has been around since the collapse of civilization. she is honestly doing better than you could expect of her, even if she's still terrible!
I always see her as an example of the philosophical "trolley problem." She started building her kingdom during a time of violence and had to make tough decisions to protect the kingdom as a whole. I think the episode The Thin Yellow Line does a really good job showing some of that history, but by the time Finn comes along (and I think he was a big influence on her becoming a better person), she doesn't want to be the person she was hundreds of years ago. And she does genuinely love her citizens, she created them because she missed being part of the Mother Gum.
both, goliath was a thing... were they pretty much shove it in your face that pbs a vile monster....also zombie candy, that are so obviously part of her life serum uses something from shroom wars zombies or radioactive ooze.
It's never that simple. If you are a parent, and your child is a psychopath, do you kill them? Or give them bodies? There really isn't a right answer since both options are horrible. Lemongrab hates being around people, so PB left him alone in his kingdom. He's her son. She knows him better than anybody. But that also means that she knows that he will always be like that. Like she says, there is no fix (can't just punch him in the heart or something) he is literally just Lemongrab. She has long since excepted him and make 0 efforts to try to change him outside of teaching him her methods for ruling. It is suggested that Lemongrab wants to spend time with PB and have her get to know him. But she does know him and he hates being around her/people. So his "wants" run counter to his "needs". PB gives him his needs while Lemongrab constantly focuses on his wants. Like a normal parent and child. She doesn't mistakenly give him the formula. PB gave her psycho son the means to make bodies. Lemongrab is PBs first born and loves him more than anything. The problem is that Lemongrab is horrible and giving him anything is horrible, which makes PB look bad. But in the end, she's just being a parent. Lemonhope is her grandson. She wants to dote on him and have him take responsibility, but in the end Lemongrab and Lemonhope are her lineage and are true reflections of PB. Lemongrab is just an extreme version of PB after all and as the show goes on, it becomes very obvious. She's far more destructive with her creations than Lemongrab is, Lemongrab doesn't outright kill them.
i really like how she was written. The writter could have easily made her a perfect princess, nice, sweet and smart but they really get out of their way to not do that. Like a parent she feel responsable for her people but also see some of them like toys she is allow to do as she please. She was the only sentient being for a while and only start to change went people stopped seeing her as a god/mother figure.
Most of Lemongrabs problems pretty much started because of Princess Bubblegum, from making him, to abandoning, to straight up leaving blueprints to make more of himself in HIS KINGDOM!
@@ahdog8I feel like a lot of people have preconceived notions about it and probably saw a random episode from the first two seasons and just think of it as a silly little cartoon and didn't actually watch the series as a whole, but it's really good. It has lots of social-emotional development/ growth of characters, complex conflicts, philosophical viewpoints, heartbreaking moments, etc. and lots of people don't think of it as such. Especially the older generation. Even as an adult, there are moments of the series that I remember and have to think about over again. A lot of predicaments in the series were really messed up. I sometimes find myself dissecting the characters, their histories, and their personalities as if it were an essay response to an AP Literature exam. There is just a lot to unpack.
@@ahdog8it's underrated by people who look at it through the lens of assuming it's only a stupid kids show, which is a large majority of people. Yeah a lot of people love Adventure Time, but more people aren't even willing to give it a chance. Contrast this with a show like SpongeBob, which pretty much anyone Gen Z will say is a good show
One of my favorite overarching themes across multiple characters in adventure time is the malleability of a characters ethics by their environment. Many characters have a version of themselves that is immoral and moral. Lemongrey and lemon white, finn and fern, activated susan and deactivated susan, ice king and simon, magic woman and betty, to me the biggest theme of the show is showing how easily the very essence a person is, is no match for the environment. Even someone as pure hearted and righteous as finn becomes evil and corrupted in 2 of the 3 timelines we see(fern and farmworld finn)
@@Flamme-Sanabi if you haven't yet you really should. The lore goes deep. There's so many more characters that also has their own deep lore, and it's all connected. There's a episode in the spin off, don't recall the name, where Finn finally died and tries to find Jake in the afterlife. You'll notice there's a new Death. I won't ruin it more than that.
Fun fact: When lemongrab says “Nadie me quiere, todos me odian”, it’s most likely a reference to a little “children’s” song we have that talks about how no one loves me and eating a worm… Don’t question it
forgot how much certain episodes of AT scared me as a kid. It was mostly fun, but the lemongrab episodes made me feel weird in a way I couldn’t understand. Now I have a huge love of gothic horror and I think AT definitely influenced this!
lemon grab is not the first candy person created by pb, we learn that she started out making her own family (uncle gumbald aunt lolly and cousin chicle) in the episode bonibel bubblegum. The reason why lemon grab gets the kingdom when pb is 13 is because she made him an Earl. Which is the highest title given to a candy person by her, he has his own land and everything. the candy kingdom is very well established before Pb makes Lemon grab so this disproves that he is the first candy person made.
I don't remember adventure time being disturbing, but then again I watched this show when I was pretty young. Watching your video made me realize this show is really well done and wasn't your average kids cartoon
I love the extremely helpful content warning on cannibalism with the timestamp that just fast tracks you into seeing him eaten 14:11 for anyone actually looking to skip it
Something that I think is overlooked here is how the new combined Lemongrab, along with his subjects, sports an outfit with gray and accents of both black and white, symbolizing the combination of the two Lemongrabs. I just thought that was a cool detail. Also combined lemongrab probably looks better after initial reconstruction because the lemon tissues learned to cooperate and blend together after some brief physical therapy.
I love this so much. I love Adventure Time as a whole. I just love how, as a child, it just seemed like a really cool kid’s show, but when I get older I understand more of it and I’m able to appreciate and love so many more aspects of it… what a beautiful show.
I love lemongrab as a character, and the way his story ends is nice. He winds up denying enlightenment, instead looking into the eyes of greater forces and refusing to take part in them. That’s beautiful, in doing so he realizes he doesn’t need a greater destiny and becomes content.
His character is so deep honestly. I even see the parallels between indigenous and colonized people who are conditioned to fight for their communities but have to give up themselves, their mental, or even their lives. It's such a unfathomable feeling to have to make that decision and it kills me every time I see that episode.
As a person on the autism spectrum, I see a lot of parallels between the lemon people and my peers on the spectrum, including the variety of ways that it can interpret itself, yet still being fundamentally what it is(lemonhope being “more normal” from the other lemon people, but still lacking empathy ), and also some common symptoms in lemongrab such as a desire for control, and a hard time expressing a range of emotions.
I was wondering if it was just me who saw the similarities... Not autistic btw, or at least not diagnosed with it, but most of my friends are, and maybe that's why I have such fondness for the character... He reminds me of my best buds.
We do not know for a fact that Lemongrab is the first candy citizen created by P.Bubs. In fact, after Neddy drops from the mother gum, we know she creates her aunt, uncle, and cousin. What she says, and the distinction is important here; is that Lemongrab was the first of her creations (experiments,) to go horribly wrong. It could be that the Candy Kingdom was beginning to fill up, and a _truly_ young Bubblegum creates an Earl, to relieve some of the stress from her shoulders. He could be something she creates, "just in case" she should need the support. So yeah - just remember: LG is the first MISTAKE. Not the first CREATURE CREATION. Prove me wrong!
I want to say it was stated in the too young episode that she made lg in case something were to happen to her but since he was her first failed experiment, neglected lg. Later she made goliad to once again be a ruler if something were to happen to pb. But this time she made goliad a clean slate; ready to learn and highly influential. But since goliad is pb, goliad was prone to corruption and doing things the “right” way. Thus, another fail. Idk I’m probably wrong but I agree with you
I think she said he was the first one she created not because he was really the first. He is the first one she is willing to admit she created, and only disclosed that information because the situation required it
I have always thought the episode where lemon grab is eating his twin and his people was a really good depiction of what being in a abusive relationship looks and feels like.
"wow you watched the entire video" dawg not only did i watch the whole video, i MEANT to just put it on while i played a game, but i got so invested in learning about Lemongrabs (and hope) i had to pause my game 😂❤
Lemongrab was ALWAYS my favorite character….I couldn’t put my finger on why…..but I could always feel the sadness within him as he hides it behind anger and exaggerated emotions. Such an interesting character! Thanks for this video!
I'm going to be completely honest with you, Lavaman. You gave me a better understanding of Lemongrab, but not only that, you have helped me understand myself a bit more. Your deconstruction and careful choice of words hits hard. As somebody who is autistic and always struggled with my emotions, on top of other things, I've always kind of closed myself off and lashed out when shit happens. While I've worked to become a better human being, I cannot truly separate myself from the mistakes of my makers. My family always just kind of tossed me aside or looked down upon me, treating me as lesser while never caring to learn about me. Everybody kind of knew I was autistic but denied it through the years. I've struggled to form connections in my life, and I've always kind of felt alone, no matter how many people surrounded me. I felt like if I could create something acceptable, I'd find peace. Over the nearly 23 years of my life, I've felt this strong resentment toward those who brought me into this world, seeing my faults in my mind as a product if their failings, their choice to bring a life into this world, only to totally neglect me and focus in on my sibling. I've always felt shunned and looked down upon, my hate in my youth drove me to self-destructive tendencies, watching as everything around me crumbles with no form of support. I spent much of my life being loud and hateful, never afraid to push away those who I've only seen do harm. I've watched things die around me while I try to put a band-aid on a bullet wound, thinking that if I put a bridge over the ocean in my life, I'd find peace. I never connected the dots until now. I never really thought about how others would see me when I was a young teenager, giving up and becoming fat, consuming all that I could in a half-baked effort to feel whole. I watched as my life turned to hate me, everything around me hated me. I was deeply unpleasant back then, and I feel like a large, cancerous portion of who I am now was cut away, and I've learned that not everything I do has to be out of raw disagreement toward others. I no longer lash out and I look for simple solutions to simple problems. I don't let the small things break me down anymore, I just patch them up with what I have on hand. I'm not perfect, but I think I'm doing okay now. I'd love to consider myself a lemon.
10:28 I disagree. Lemongrabs isn’t a “ tortured being” by default, as lemongrabs himself explains multiple times, his “ lemon way” is different from the norm. Just because lemongrabs can’t live the life you want him to live and be happy doesn’t mean that lemons can’t live a life.
to be fair i think its still fair to say they're a tortured being since lemongrab clearly desires companionship and people to interact with. and yet by his very nature, and at the time : was the only one of his kind and was unable to hold "normal" interactions with anyone else. So in that sense i'd argue its torture. Maybe not in the pure sense of like just thinking/feeling differently, but when that results in him having essentially no one to receive help from then.. yeah lol
as an autistic person I can’t but help thinking about it from a perspective of neurodivergence, we’re often stereotyped as acting like lemon grab and the whole correlation makes me feel a bit iffy on things Especially the lac’ of empathy and harming eachither because they don’t understand the other candy people If there’s any other autistic/ADHD people here I’d like to know the input If it’s purposely an autism metaphor they handled that pretty badly lol
@@EliasPluto A fellow autist here and I agree...mostly, they nail the feeling estranged and confined and struggling to misunderstand people thing but they could have done the slow reveal that he does actually have empathy thing better. IDK I've just seen enough depictions that are way worse to really denounce it?
@@EliasPluto oh definitely I agree, I’m autistic and he always strangely was relatable in a few aspects. Obviously not the staring at people sleep, or being a horrible dictator to his lemon people. But his blunt conversations, him not understanding how others do things but instead doing it his own way which others may not understand, him saying no one understands him, lack of empathy
25:00 this is also really consistent with tripping You start with a local hallucination (the ceiling cracking), which then unfolds into a deep internal hallucination-during which you find unexpected realizations and conclusions, and often new perspectives on yourself
I always wondered why I oddly related to OG lemongrab. I was isolated and bullied and grew up with little to no friends. It’s strange how Adventure time is such a silly cartoon on the surface but its message is profound and uncovers the subconscious is ways we don’t realize. Good analysis. I had tears in my eyes
I relate to him a lot as well I'm black and autistic and had a hard time fitting in growing up, autism runs in my family but ths adults refuse to see it so all of us suffered like lemon in certain ways.
I love Advenure Times ability to take on complex emotions and conceptsin a fun relatable way, that gives kids an introduction to these things. As a parent, Ive often struggled with that delicate balance of wanting to be honest and prepare my kids for life vs not having a damn clue how to do that without rambling, cussing, and just absolutely confusing/terrifying them 😅
Such an in-depth analysis of a tragically underrated character. Bro is way more than intense yelling for joke purposes. Thanks bruv. Subbed. On my to the jake episode!
lemongrab cannibalism is something that will NEVER fail to deeply disturb me. I love AT, but I seriously can't believe they let that air next to like, early steven universe stuff
I can't say many shows or movies haven't made me feel. But the way you clearly researched and presented a character to people like me, that haven't finished Adventure Time even now 11 years later, genuinely touches the soul. It's clear that you care about what you do and that's very admirable in this day
The Lemongrab episodes all gave me an existential crisis and this is exactly the kind of analysis I've been wanting to try to work through what this show did to me.
I’ve never had a video weigh on me as much as this one did. Like others I also viewed lemongrab as a one dimensional character that never grew from his flaws and never though to consider how all lemon people are connected in the overall story of him. Understanding the dynamic he had with PB is the first step to view lemongrab not only a villian but a victim too. This is the best video of character analysis/show analysis I’ve ever seen. I loved this video and I hope you continue to make more.
i think the scene where lemongrab dances to lemonhopes poor flute playing really shows part of his mind how inverted his idea of right and wrong are how he is at a point where he hears objectively bad music and thinks its great enough he cant help but seek it out and dance to it and when hearing good music he finds it so horrible he explodes
if you think thats what it is, you missed the point. the music isnt "objectively" good or bad, that's just the popular opinion. the lemongrabs have a different opinion. they're not wrong, or backwards, they're just different.
Personally I don’t think Lemongrab exploded from hearing “good” music.. My reading was that Lemongrab exploded from Lemonhope’s music playing near the end, even though he could handle it fine and was even possessive of Lemonhope bc of it at first, because the music involuntarily made Lemongrab connect to his repressed emotions (such as guilt and shame) at that moment, as music often tends to do. Lemonhope’s music wasn’t even that well played at that moment, mostly tuneless, but Lemongrab was so used to feeling something when Lemonhope played, that he kind of automatically, placebo-effectedly felt his repressed feelings anyway. And Lemongrab tried to push them down again, but all the stress made his already fragile overstuffed body collapse and explode. That, and the fact that in the first episode of Adventure Time, PB literally establishes that candy people can actually explode from fear/distress. And while they’re shown to be more resilient in later eps than PB made them out to be, this is still true after a point, and Lemongrab (who is technically still a type of candy person) crossed that line.
For some reason, I never saw the parallels between Lemongrab and Frankenstein's monster before. Parallels that I did notice were between LG and PB. They both have it in their instinct and primal desires to rule something. They are both authoritarian, with LG being more obvious, having the catchphrase "unacceptable" and immediately punishing people when things don't go his way. PB also has a strong reaction when someone suggests something that doesn't align with what she wants, immediately denying other possibilities. Because their whole lives they both learned they can only depend on themselves and no one else. They both have a strong desire to create. While LG is apathetic, PB isn't without her faults. She treats some of her sentient creations badly and throughout the show she acknoladges that she is sometimes cruel (I remember an episode in the later seasons when she told Marceline "haha sorry, that was mean. I'm trying to be less mean". And that time LG was spying on PB's citizens? Dawg, she spies on her citizens for no reason all the time! Why does she have all those cameras for, then?? AND YET, THROUGH ALL OF THIS, PB is very much "othering" the lemonpeople and keeps repeating the phrase "I don't understand you". After disregarding LG as a failed experiment, that's all she could see him as. She has so many way in which to relate to him, but instead of acknowledging them, she refuses to look at those "broken" parts of herself and puts herself above him. And that's fucked up, but I don't think she's necessarily a bad person for doing this. The theme of a creator abandoning and forgetting about their creations is not something new. Think of an artist abandoning a sketch, or a writer believing what they wrote isn't good enough. It's a normal human trait and who's to say if we were in PB's place we would have done any different? And as PB rules as god among the candy people (if you think I'm reaching, turn to the banana guards episode) so does LG think he has the same right. At the end of the day, they are two sides of the same coin
Good point. I do wish the show had PB acknowledge her poor treatment of LG as part of her character arc. At no point does she apologise or try to understand him. That is sad.
@zemox2534 I think that was a deliberate choice. Somewhere in the last seasons we see her acknowledge the fact that she's "mean" and her desire to be a better person, but she never truly gets a redemption ark bc tbf no punishment is good enough for the things she's done. In the Fionna and Cake (SPOILERS!!!) Winter King episode we see her swap shoes with Ice King and still she isn't able to sympathize with him! (although he did kidnap her a lot and then inflicted that on her so maybe that's fair). What I'm trying to say is that the creators presented us with an amazing character such as PB, showed us all the things she's done, good and bad, and then left us to figure out how to feel about it
But PB still gives lemongrab a brother, when he asked her for citizens she gave him some, she still tries to help the lemon people and lemonhope when they are in a horrible situation, she also gave Lemongrab and Lemonwhite a second chance at life. That is what differenciates her from Frankestain, she might not understand Lemongrab, but that isn't enough to just kill him. And sometimes she tries to understand, specially with lemonhope. In the video he said that it was a mistake to create lemonwhite becouse Frankestain was afraid of what would happend, but that was the worst case scenario, and PB understood that Lemongrab needed someone to understand him, she is not completly heartless and has some care for her first creation. Even if she fails to understand their obvious similarities.
Princess Bubblegum = God Lemongrab = MANKIND (The Lemonwhite story is akin to the creation of Eve.) We are like Lemongrab, imperfect compared to our creator, fumbling around, trying to cope with our existence, have a lean towards fascism, eventually turning on ourselves (Lemonwhite, domestic violence), etc.
This character is so deep. I did not realize that he represented a being programmed without the ability to change learning how to accept himself and others. I honestly just thought it was a yellow guy screaming at everything because he’s a lunatic. Thanks for the analyzation.
13:39 In my country, adventure time is heavily censored in cable airings, growing up and rewatching the series, and finding these scenes really changed my perception to the series.
The line for "Nobody likes me, Everyone hates me" is more of a Latinamericanism played for humor than an accurate dialogue, it's based off of a child rhyme that goes "Nadie me quiere, todos me odian, ya mismo me como un gusanito", the later part translating to "I'm going to eat a little worm". It's similar to the episode when Gunther had the Ice King's medallion and while in english he says "Gunther! You took my stuff!" in latinamerican spanish he says "Gunther!! Te volviste reggaetonero!! Qué deshooonra!!!", which translates to "Gunther!! You became a reggaeton singer!! For shaaaaame!!" Regardless, great analysis, very interesting!
A major reason that Lemongrab is so hostile is because it's an inherited trait from Princess Bubblegum. The reason he strikes the viewer as such a familiar and yet unpleasant figure is because he lacks those relatable qualities she has, like empathy and joy. He is her most negative traits stripped bare of any sweetness, and is thus "defective" like a "lemon" car that doesn't run right. His anger when something defies his expectations is no different from hers, she'll destroy or toss aside a failed "experiment" with a sapient form of life without even blinking. She views it as her right, she created the entire candy kingdom herself, never having a family to nurture her or teach her right from wrong. She even created a family of her own, but destroyed them once she realized they weren't her equals, rather than trying to raise them up. In the end, he is a reflection of her, and that's why she cannot stand him. She views him as a mockery of her, kingdom and all. She even tried to propagandize a child to produce an "acceptable" leader for this shadow of her kingdom, only to fail when he rejected the role she thought she could foist upon him. Even Lemongrab's catchphrase of "UNACCEPTABLE" is a reflection of her, as anything that doesnt meet her fickle standards is unacceptable and must be obliterated on the spot, as was the case with Rattleballs.
Not to nitpick, but he's not the first candy person, just the first one to go wrong (although maybe not even that since we know about Gumbald, Lolli, and Cousin Chicle now). And considering he's one of the very few intelligent candy people, I think that's probably where things went wrong. The only other smart candy person is Peppermint Butler who we know is very deep into the Dark Arts, so I think PB making most of her citizens dumb probably has more to do with her not wanting to repeat the mistakes she made with Lemongrab. It didn't take long for Goliad to turn either, even if that was due to Finn and Jake's teaching methods. Although if she wasn't blinded by her own hubris, she could have fully baked Cinnamon Bun who may have stayed loyal to her, although its hard to say, because by the time he met Flame Princess, he really had caught on to PB's methods.
i never realized how much i actually relate to lemongrab. he’s always been one of my favorite characters from AT but i didn’t realize how i actually relate to him especially now. my mom liked me until i started having mental problems and she doesn’t really treat me very nice anymore. it’s gotten to the point where my entire family is starting to dislike me. i’ve started to lose trust pretty much everyone and i lash out often which causes my family to push me away even more. although i do lash out i can help but feel like it’s her fault that i’m antisocial and depressed but with everyone else on her side, i’m left alone. pretty similar to lemongrab, finding friends really helped me
Hey friend, I'm so sorry you've had to go through this piece of your personal story. I'm glad you've found good friends. Do you have access to therapy and stuff too?
@@KaraokeDeepCuts yeah i do but the thing is is that my mom actually picked my last couple of therapists so they were a lot like her and i guess that triggered something in me to not want to open up so it’s kinda counter productive
always thought they did original/fat lemongrab a lot of disservice in his writing but when compared and contrasted with lemonwhite i guess it does reveal a lot more nuance, still think the writers didn't have to be quite so harsh on him before he became a tyrant but appreciate the perspective
Lemonhope has empathy, that's the only reason he would feel a need to pay back a debt without having any other preconditioning towards the concept. His problem is he lived in a place that was almost entirely devoid of empathy so he was conditioned against following it. He changed when he understood the weight of his inaction on others, that being him almost dying and the example of action set forth by PB in helping him.
Wtf this video is incredible… well done man, seriously. I went into this thinking “how complex could Lemongrab possibly be??” And came out understanding… really well done. Earned a sub from me no doubt!
I'm still amazed that, despite being dissolved for approximately long time, Lemonwhite lived long enough to do his one last selfless act. I am sure he knew he'd die from Lemongrabs' "music death", but not just he lived to that moment, he also made the move without hesitation. What a tortured way to be a hero.
Interesting video, I've always kind of relating to lemon grab, well not cannibalism, but the lack of empathy he's always been a disturbing character to me like a warning to who I can become, so to see a character study done on him is really cool. The way you handle the themes and also had a dash of comedy was really neat, keep up the good work man
So many ppl think PB is a monster(not out of place, all things considered lol), but if you remember what she said about neddy; we dont need to understand him, we just need to accept it. She may have the same mentality towards lemongrab
Just wanted to say, wow great video! I always found Lemongrab's story interesting but didnt think about it too much as he is always brushed off. The video is really well thought out, insightful and empathetic and really brings out a lot of the obvious aspects of his story that we neglect as well as explaining some elements which, upon initial watching can come of as nonsensical as you dont expect the depth from a kids show, particularly the interaction with Matthew. Thought provoking and enjoyable. After watching this I went and looked at your other videos. I hope to see more. :)
not gonna lie but the Lemongrabs were my favorite characters. They were just so hilarious and creepy. (also the "MMMMN" in the letter is literally so funny)🤣 This was also A LOT of interesting backstory that I didn't know about! I LITERALLY watched ALL of it.
That was amazing. I never truly familiarized myself with the character, but this arc in all its charming, wacky, absolutely disturbing and painful reality, is a psychological gem. Thank you for putting so much time and effort into it.
Man, this is the first analysis of the last episode about Lemongrab with the Mountain of Matthew that actually makes sense. Really great job overall. So many dots I saw but never connected.
I see parallels between the lemon people and myself being autistic, borderline, and narcissistic. Empathy isn’t everything, it’s what you choose to logically do despite lack of personal understanding.
I absolutely love this video! An additional piece to his character that really shook me is in one of the last lemon grab scenes where he hands PB a note which says "unmake me" during the big battle.
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Genuinely interesting character stuff aside, Lemongrab signing letters with "How dare you," instead of "Sincerely," is so fucking funny
And ‘ours’ instead of ‘yours’ hahaha
and "mmmmn" instead of "dear"
LMFAO
Going to start doing this at work LMAO
@@Smithyswife229 brb, changing my email signature.
I love how Princess Bubblegum tell Lemongrab that its creepy to watch people while they are sleeping but catches LemonGrab in the act by using cameras that were aleady installed in everyones rooms.
She actually says “it’s creeping ME out”
@@yoyosolyayeah. she’s saying it’s creepy…
@@highaunt9679 She's not just saying it's creepy, choice of words can definitely mean a lot in these context, and especially more so with PB. Her choice of wording here insinuates that it's not the action itself that she finds creepy, more so that he's the one doing it
😂
Also, I remember her spying on Flame Princess later without her consent.
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"Yo yo, it's grease" as a final line for Lemongrab truly emphasizes how he accepts himself and is now whole.
shit goes hard too. I would put it on a shirt
@@bot-cn6eiI’d use it as my cooking shirt
He accepts himself and is still imperfect and fragmented (but that's okay)
I dont get it :/
@@Ferlyx Bacon.
I always watched adventure time casually without thinking of the greater meanings, Never realized how insanely deep it could get for a kids show
Like...I just watched and enjoyed it
Its so much deeper
If u watch it all the way through you'll see how in season 3 it starts to develop its lore and characters more seriously and also start to have many philosophical and thought-provoking episodes
It's not a kids show. It's a show for people ages 13 and up. That's why it came in the time slot it did, it actually turns off in the children hospital where my aunt worked right before it airs because its not for little kids😂
A lot of kids shows are deep though I mean there are quite a lot. /lh
It's not this just people looking too into my guy
i love how lemongrab refers to himself as 'Fat Lemongrab' instead of just 'Lemongrab'
"LOOKING FOR SOMETHING? WELL YOU HAVE FOUND ME! FAT LEMONGRAB!!!"
Well ye, he was fat before he exploded and got combined with his twin
My man might be a psycho. But he was not in denial about being a fatass
Candy kid: “Calm down, Lemongrease!”
Lemongrab: “I-I AM NOT GREASE!!”
*years later*
Lemongrab in the mountain: “I am grease.”
Yo yo, it's grease.
Yeah that’s pretty much how an identity crisis works
ah, iheard "lemon grace" thanks for claryfying that!
@@nekokna maybe its his street talk.
that kinda makes sense now come to think of it. grease = grace like bees n' honey = money.
@nekokna they should have made a female lemon person named lemon grace
I've always found the most disturbing episodes of the show were the ones where Lemongrab is cannibalizing his lemon people and even his twin brother. His kingdom straight up looks like a prison, and there's that one scene where one dude hops the wall only to be spotted, captured and eaten. The way Lemongrab progressively gets larger throughout those episodes unsettles me everytime.
Definitely was an unpleasant episode
Always felt bad for lemongrab 2
this show is wild man. What a sentence, "cannibalizing his lemon people and even his twin brother"
Adventure Time always had episodes that disturbed me and even got me remembered to this day.
every time*
Lemongrab's "line" in the finale "Unmake me" must have been the best thing he has ever done
i like "TRY IT, GREASE!" way more
Very inappropriate hard to take this video seriously when seeing things like that in it.
@@samjones527 Huh?
@@littlemoth4956 my reply got throen out of wack this was about the big chested PB in the video sorry
@@samjones527dude I know it was a very poor attempt at comedy . I loved the video but those pictures definitely could’ve been left out
The lemon toilet at 15:29 being a juicer is hilarious 😂 adventure time creators were always so good at adding details like this
I assume it's a form of torture for the lemon people considering that it's in the prison.
@@0Mister-Sun0 or maybe to make more lemon people
@@derpydevilolidkBy... churning their juices out... and then what?
I guess that’s one way to cure constipation
I remember being fucking traumatized by these episodes as a kid LMFAOOO
I couldn't look away, I was just in shock, no blinking, jaw dropped, just staring, LMAO
I think Lemonhope going to the room made for him symbolizes his growth to be willing to accept kindness.
He probably spent many years doing his best to not "get into debt" emotionally, not helping others on a wide scale and not accepting help on a wide scale.
By coming back to the room given to him by those who cared about him, i think it shows he's matured and grown enough to be willing to accept kindness and possibly give kindness, regardless of the impact on his freedom
only took him like 1 thousand years 🗿
@@madmantheepic7278my thought exactly
@@madmantheepic7278 bro casually didn't give a fuck for a thousand years 💀
@@alanmiraanime truly the best regular guy. He doesn't give any fucks and expects no one to give him any 🗿
TIMMIE!!!!!!!!!
If Lemonhope is so unempathetic, then why is the suffering of his people weighing on his mind, to the point where it's an active burden?
Maybe he has empathy within him but cannot feel it so it can only affect him subconsciously, through dreams.
I'd say it's the clash of Nature vs Nurture
Lemon people are selfish and/or morons by nature, but Lemonhope was raised with ideas of helping his people
Even if he didn't wanna help the lemon people, he couldn't scape of the fact that his suroundings teached him to do otherwise
At the end, once he finished living the life others wanted him to live, he was able to live his life by the nature he likes, while remaining, like the video says, true neutral, not seeking to do harm nor helping people
I’ve watched the entirety of Adventure Time twice now, and the Lemongrab stories were some of the saddest. Especially Lemonhope, his dreams. So childlike but so interesting.
He is not unempathetic, he is just a normal neutral person who wants to leave his life alone, he is not a hero nor a ruler, he is just a dude
The answer is the same as why people feel burdened by kindness we feel obligated to return kindness we accept it also we must return it, true neutrality means we must not be controlled by debt so he repaid his debt and to be free
Fun fact the line "Nadie me quiere, todos me odian" is actually a nursery rhyme. So it was more used as an easter egg for laughs rather than lemon grab's true feeling.
nadie me queire todos odian me amor yassop ONE PIECE
Honestly, i can see it being both. Would be funny if Lemongrab's whole character and development arc was started because one of the writers saw the easter egg lol
It's not just a nursery rhyme. It's an actual song, sang by Real Chicano, a Latino artist from the 90s. The song became so popular in Latin America that it created a sort of Mandela effect in that most people nowadays think it's an actual nursery rhyme when in fact it's just a terrible 90s song. It's about eating a worm, btw.
@@sewaprolonadie me quiere todos me odian mejor me como un gusanito 🪱
@@sewaprolo i remember it in the baby sitters club: little sister spin-off ngl----
"I'm like that worm song"
"NoBoDy LiKeS mE eVeRyBoDy hAtEs Me GuEsS iLL gO eAt wOrMs" 🪱
"If you are the head that floats atop the ziggurat, then the stairs to you must be infinite. Infinite stairs, ARE, *UNACCEPTABLE!* "
I always thought that line went so hard but never really understood why it was so memorable to me. Now, after properly reflecting on it, it's definitely up there with my other favourite Adventure Time scenes.
Y'know, because no action yells "i accept myself" louder than murdering a primordial, sentient cult-being with the physical reminder of one of your subject's selflessness.
I also think its worth mentioning he is shown to have a somewhat stable relationship with lsp in future episodes also showing his growth and ability to accept love from others. Especially someone like lsp whos equally weird and incompatible with others in her own way. When he starts getting stressed at thier picnic because something is off to him he as politely as he can basically says "thanks but i have to leave now" instead of immediately turning violent like lemongrab 1 probably would have . Also him smiling in the finale as hes having the picture above his bed painted to be something he enjoys and wearing a catchers mitt seems to further show hes content and comfortable with his life at that point
Honestly that is so cute, I love lemongrab
Now I just remember one detail that may " explain " PB relationship with LG. PB herself has a brother, Ned, and he is " special " He cannot interact with other people at all and lives under the kingdom with the only thing that can calm him except her. When asked she says " People are born different, we just have to accept it ". Lemongrab was born that way, and knowing her she would try again and again to get it right. But Lemongrab stayed with the same traits, so she just acknowledged them as what he is and what does she do ? Puts him to live alone, maybe in her mind it was what he wanted, just like with Ned's
This shows that PB didn't just view LG as a experiment but his own person, and with this in mind her actions take another turn. She never aims to destroy him but to help him, he is not only one of her creations but his own individual in her eyes
Yes and I also feel like it shows how the same solutions might not work for everyone
I fcking love all of this
Yess she’s also made it clear (i thinkkk) that she sent him away to like figure out stuff for himself and be his own person. Not sure i cant remember if she actually said stuff abt that but i think so. She also wanted to keep her citizens safe people shouldn’t put pb down just like that without looking at other sides she’s a complicated character
You can also see where her mind was at when she made him because this was clearly before she finally decided dumb candy people was the better choice. Lemongrab shares PB’s desire to micromanage everything but takes it to a huge extreme to the point he breaks down if things aren’t perfect, he’s extremely smart and has a photographic memory, he could look at anything and immediately have it memorized, he loves structure and order but to a psychotic degree. Lemongrab was a born leader but something went wrong and Lemongrab became an obsessive, over controlling tyrant with a hair trigger. It takes eating his brother, having a rebellion for his hubris and being fused with his kinder brother to finally begin the process of learning how to let things go.
Thank you, honestly I have always really liked how complex PB is, and people get really into how terrible she is.
the lemonjons being selfless is the perfect reason as to why they destroy mathew. i've been so confused about that until now. thank you
I always thought as a kid that they were so deeply sour that anyone who wasn’t a lemon person eats it would result in death
@@thescarredsinner895that's a possibility. But I am certain that I have seen Finn and pb eat lemon johns.
Lemongrab was the single most interesting thing about adventure time to me and it blows my mind that nobody cared about his story and everyone just saw him as the dumb screamy guy that was in a few episodes
Him and LSP are my favorite side characters. I think it’s their authenticity. They’re honest and truly vulnerable even if it makes others uncomfortable or if it’s not pretty. I love that.
same, i am glad there was a concise explanation of him and he got so much story development
Im half both. Found him super annoying but idk alwahs liked how he looked and his shenanigans
I watched it as an elementary schooler and I was still obsessed with his character. It was funny, but it was also deeply disturbed in a way that made me want to see more at every turn.
Well, I personally dismissed the show for lots of reasons. The art style, the way the story is structured and told being too ridiculous and "quirky" and random making it impossible to capture my attention. as a kid I mostly liked non episodic straight to the point action cartoons with a story to tell that progresses each episode, adventure time didn't have that. It was sort of episodic with some plot sprinkled in some random episodes and there was tons of what seemed at the time filler episodes. The voice acting and the way the characters act and the general tumblr-esque millennial writing style and ideas made it difficult for me to watch it, I was used to cartoons written and drawn by boomers and gen x that had a bettter style and writing. I only watched the episodes that had plot, like Simon's/ice king's story and Marceline's mini series and stories about Finn's origin and the humans. But never really understood the plot because of how chaotic and scattered it was. I now can appreciate some concepts from it as an adult but I still find it unwatchable and I prefer watching/reading things that sums up the story because no way I'm watching 10 seasons of 24 episodes per season show for like 5 plotlines I like when there's so much filler episodes that are too ridiculous, like the bimo (?) being a detective and finding out that a chicken stole jewelry episode 🗿. I believe this show should me remade in a way that keeps the original intended plot but gives it a proper art style that fits the dark themes and writing the tells the story properly with no useless filler and make the characters more digestible. If they did that from the start I would've loved the show and it'd probably be 2 seasons or 3 maximum. But noooo funni joke more important 🗿
5:29 YOU CANT JUST SPRING THAT ON ME
God dam, I would like a god like that.
Ikr! OUTA no where!
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I love the philosophy and inner stories/self of these characters.
I’ve always wondered if the creators of these franchises thought out the stories as deep as the people dig to find the lore, or it just comes naturally when building upon the characters.
I believe they thought it all out. The Distant Lands and Fionna and Cake series reference minor details from 10+ years ago. These writers probably have enough ideas and story to keep AT going for a century.
@@AUTHENTICXOsomtimes writter just make stuff “lol funny” with nothing more, but the later on they think of reintroducing it and build more around those character
Take jojo’s bizzare adventure for an exemple, araki thought of bringing dio in the third part could be a great connection to the storie of part 1, it wasn’t planed from the start, then part 6 showed us another part of DIO more calm than he was before but still cunning and a being of pure evil
In murder and mystery books. An author told me once that he know how it start and how it end but not what’s going on in the middle. He has to build the road to the end and build upon it. Making a character like lemongrab from the start isn’t easy but if you slowly build the character you can give him more side than his first apperance.
@@uruxdrone You have a great point. I’m sure they do make some of it up later down the line. Never watched Jojo, but I might give it a try.
@@AUTHENTICXO They thought some things out, but a lot of things were introduced on the fly or retconned into existence. For example, pretty much the entire current characterization of Princess Bubblegum that we know didn't exist before S4.
This also puts his and LSP’s presumed relationship into perspective. Once he’d slightly normalized, in his own special lemony way, I guess it makes sense that he’d eventually attempt to make a special connection with somebody in the romantic sense. To mixed results of course, he IS still an oddball, but to results nonetheless.
Cool pfp
He wanted those lumps
I ship them
lemon rizz
@@sn-070this is UNACCEPTABLE
Incredible video! I disagree on a few points, mainly surrounding places where I think PB was wrong. First, I think lemonwhite disproves PB's idea that lemongrab was a "mistake" or a "failed experiment." Lemonwhite is a good person, and so the only reason lemongrab wouldn't be is because of how PB treated him *after* creating him.
Second, I never felt like it was tragic that lemonhope didn't change. He's a kid who's been through a lot, and now that he's finally free this immense responsibility is being heaped on his shoulders for unclear reasons.
Where Finn and Jake would normally handle something like this, PB has for some reason decided it's Lemonhope's job. She gets into his head with this concept of destiny and he ends up unable to escape it. PB creates candy people ready made for a specific role and then they follow that role, and she sees nothing wrong with it. It makes sense that she would see this kid named lemonhope and decide that he has to live up to his namesake. He was created for this purpose and so he must fulfill it, and he doesn't get a say in it.
When PB tries to complete the hero's narrative she's writing for him by making that bedroom for him, I find it cathartic that he says no. He's just a kid, he never deserved to be forced to be the hero he didn't want to be.
He deserved the freedom to self-actualize, to make his own path, rather than follow the one PB was laying out for him at every turn. I think this is why he only goes back to sleep in that bed far in the future, once the candy kingdom has seemingly fallen to ruin and PB is presumably gone. He does want that bedroom, but only once it's finally his choice. He might have been happy to play the hero if only nobody had tried to make him do it
A "failed experiment" is an experiment that went wrong. Pb make lemongrab and afterwards realized she wanted to make something else, because of this the lemon ppl ARE capable of having empathy, love, etc but they find it much much much harder and are super liklry to live a shitty life that's why I disagree with pb creating more than than one *intentionally*
Yeah I mean I agree with you on the lemonhope stuff tbh I think it would have been sad if he didn't change at all and just kept living in like this deluded freedom world but he did change anyway at like the end of LH p2. good commet!!!!
It's also interesting to note that the lemon people only care about themselves, and pb saw that as a flaw, and created dumb candy people who just chill and do whatever they're told. Pretty messed up. Lemonhope and the lemon people are probably the most normal, sentient beings PB has created. For lemonhope to reject his "destiny" made by pb, it's pretty nice
@@warmsvfflina hate to be that guy, but PB is only directly responsible for the creation of less than 5% of the total Lemon populace. We should give the credit for the success of the species to Lemongrab, who I am now calling Grease. It's to slap PB in the face for treating citizens of her municipality like cogs in a machine. Every machine needs grease.
@@lavaman9910 I don't think it was terrible of her to intentionally make the lemongrab brothers, I think it was terrible that she made both and never actually cared for them like they needed, ik many ppl born lacking empathy and if they can find comfort in eachother and with help they can better understand others and live happy lives then that's amazing and how life is, it would've been terrible that she made him all alone with no idea how to truly connect to others by never being able to find others like him and it's nice that she had made him someone who could understand him but she should've done it in the first place and should've taken the time to understand them both and take care of them rather than creating them and deciding they aren't her problem until they start to affect her life.
Basically a god that's like a mother she brought a child into the world, she didn't intend for them to be different but they were and rather then care for him she left him lonely in a world full of people who could never understand him and only ever finally gave him someone else he could connect to years after long term neglect and isolation had warped his mind and then decided to leave them both again, she didn't make monsters that could never learn to love, she had accidentally made a neurodivergent kid and then left him for isolation while emotionally neglecting him as the first person even ever knew. Everyone can learn to love even people made on accident but intense parental neglect for months old babies can literally create 4 yr olds who feel nothing but anger and do nothing except try to kill others.
@@warmsvfflina I also enjoy that, she spent too much of her life barely having a grasp on psychology, autonomy, parenthood, and creating lives that she didn't care for them and I like how stupid she feels when she sees people like Lemonhope and when her candy citizens legit replaced her with some guy, and when that glass kingdom treated her like they did, I'm happy cause when she feels that way she starts to understand that she doesn't know everything and there's so much that she never learned, that's why I also like that after she was dethroned that Marceline starts to show her how to just work on herself instead of playing mom/god and incidentally abusing or purposefully genociding a bunch of her kids, she's now taken away from those roles and she starts to learn the important stuff that she should've learned before doing any of that.
Honestly this is all PBs fault.
She raised Lemongrab to be an unlovable sack of crap, she gave into his every wim and tantrum and then she saw Lemonhope and was like "wow thank god I don't actually have to do anything about my mess I'll just send this literal child to deal with my problems"
I can't tell if PB is just a bad character, or if the writers really wanted to make her into a monster.
I think it's kind of both, she is a play on the stereotypical fantasy princess where she's not useless due to a lack of agency but to an excess of it. she's not a fundamentally bad person, but she had no real upbringing and has about as much thought towards ethics as you'd expect of a gum sludge creature that has been around since the collapse of civilization. she is honestly doing better than you could expect of her, even if she's still terrible!
I always see her as an example of the philosophical "trolley problem." She started building her kingdom during a time of violence and had to make tough decisions to protect the kingdom as a whole. I think the episode The Thin Yellow Line does a really good job showing some of that history, but by the time Finn comes along (and I think he was a big influence on her becoming a better person), she doesn't want to be the person she was hundreds of years ago. And she does genuinely love her citizens, she created them because she missed being part of the Mother Gum.
both, goliath was a thing... were they pretty much shove it in your face that pbs a vile monster....also zombie candy, that are so obviously part of her life serum uses something from shroom wars zombies or radioactive ooze.
It's never that simple. If you are a parent, and your child is a psychopath, do you kill them? Or give them bodies? There really isn't a right answer since both options are horrible. Lemongrab hates being around people, so PB left him alone in his kingdom. He's her son. She knows him better than anybody. But that also means that she knows that he will always be like that. Like she says, there is no fix (can't just punch him in the heart or something) he is literally just Lemongrab. She has long since excepted him and make 0 efforts to try to change him outside of teaching him her methods for ruling. It is suggested that Lemongrab wants to spend time with PB and have her get to know him. But she does know him and he hates being around her/people. So his "wants" run counter to his "needs". PB gives him his needs while Lemongrab constantly focuses on his wants. Like a normal parent and child.
She doesn't mistakenly give him the formula. PB gave her psycho son the means to make bodies. Lemongrab is PBs first born and loves him more than anything. The problem is that Lemongrab is horrible and giving him anything is horrible, which makes PB look bad. But in the end, she's just being a parent.
Lemonhope is her grandson. She wants to dote on him and have him take responsibility, but in the end Lemongrab and Lemonhope are her lineage and are true reflections of PB.
Lemongrab is just an extreme version of PB after all and as the show goes on, it becomes very obvious. She's far more destructive with her creations than Lemongrab is, Lemongrab doesn't outright kill them.
i really like how she was written. The writter could have easily made her a perfect princess, nice, sweet and smart but they really get out of their way to not do that. Like a parent she feel responsable for her people but also see some of them like toys she is allow to do as she please. She was the only sentient being for a while and only start to change went people stopped seeing her as a god/mother figure.
The second lemonhope siad “I still don’t really fuck with y’all I just wanted peace of mind. Bye.” He became my favorite character
Most of Lemongrabs problems pretty much started because of Princess Bubblegum, from making him, to abandoning, to straight up leaving blueprints to make more of himself in HIS KINGDOM!
Adventure Time has such stellar writing. Criminally underrated. More people should watch the series.
I disagree that Adventure Time is "criminally underrated," it has been very widely acknowledged and praised
@@ahdog8 yep
@@ahdog8I feel like a lot of people have preconceived notions about it and probably saw a random episode from the first two seasons and just think of it as a silly little cartoon and didn't actually watch the series as a whole, but it's really good. It has lots of social-emotional development/ growth of characters, complex conflicts, philosophical viewpoints, heartbreaking moments, etc. and lots of people don't think of it as such. Especially the older generation.
Even as an adult, there are moments of the series that I remember and have to think about over again. A lot of predicaments in the series were really messed up. I sometimes find myself dissecting the characters, their histories, and their personalities as if it were an essay response to an AP Literature exam. There is just a lot to unpack.
I wouldn’t say CRIMINALLY underrated
@@ahdog8it's underrated by people who look at it through the lens of assuming it's only a stupid kids show, which is a large majority of people.
Yeah a lot of people love Adventure Time, but more people aren't even willing to give it a chance.
Contrast this with a show like SpongeBob, which pretty much anyone Gen Z will say is a good show
One of my favorite overarching themes across multiple characters in adventure time is the malleability of a characters ethics by their environment. Many characters have a version of themselves that is immoral and moral. Lemongrey and lemon white, finn and fern, activated susan and deactivated susan, ice king and simon, magic woman and betty, to me the biggest theme of the show is showing how easily the very essence a person is, is no match for the environment. Even someone as pure hearted and righteous as finn becomes evil and corrupted in 2 of the 3 timelines we see(fern and farmworld finn)
Man… I should actually watch the show because this sounds baller.
@@Flamme-Sanabi if you haven't yet you really should. The lore goes deep. There's so many more characters that also has their own deep lore, and it's all connected.
There's a episode in the spin off, don't recall the name, where Finn finally died and tries to find Jake in the afterlife. You'll notice there's a new Death. I won't ruin it more than that.
Fun fact: When lemongrab says “Nadie me quiere, todos me odian”, it’s most likely a reference to a little “children’s” song we have that talks about how no one loves me and eating a worm…
Don’t question it
"I'd rather eat a worm" ToT
Was it something like "no body loves me, everybody hates me, guess I'm gonna eat some worms"?
@@johnblunt6693itsy bitsy fuzzy wuzzy worm
I know that one!
Nadie me quiere, todos me odian, voy a comerme un gusanito~
forgot how much certain episodes of AT scared me as a kid. It was mostly fun, but the lemongrab episodes made me feel weird in a way I couldn’t understand. Now I have a huge love of gothic horror and I think AT definitely influenced this!
lemon grab is not the first candy person created by pb, we learn that she started out making her own family (uncle gumbald aunt lolly and cousin chicle) in the episode bonibel bubblegum. The reason why lemon grab gets the kingdom when pb is 13 is because she made him an Earl. Which is the highest title given to a candy person by her, he has his own land and everything. the candy kingdom is very well established before Pb makes Lemon grab so this disproves that he is the first candy person made.
I don't remember adventure time being disturbing, but then again I watched this show when I was pretty young. Watching your video made me realize this show is really well done and wasn't your average kids cartoon
d1 glazing
Yea lemongrab eating lemonwhite was lowkey traumatic
I love the extremely helpful content warning on cannibalism with the timestamp that just fast tracks you into seeing him eaten
14:11 for anyone actually looking to skip it
oh my god, you're right. that's even worse.
that's awful but also hilarious
HAHAHAHAHAH
not me being lemonhope-
@Sniper Automata he ain't wrong
i absolutely love how you put a disclaimer about cannibalism and put the skip timestamp at 13:45, a still image of Lemongrab eating Lemonwhite lol
It's a funny image tbf
That's not cannibalism that's just eating ass
Something that I think is overlooked here is how the new combined Lemongrab, along with his subjects, sports an outfit with gray and accents of both black and white, symbolizing the combination of the two Lemongrabs. I just thought that was a cool detail. Also combined lemongrab probably looks better after initial reconstruction because the lemon tissues learned to cooperate and blend together after some brief physical therapy.
I love this so much. I love Adventure Time as a whole. I just love how, as a child, it just seemed like a really cool kid’s show, but when I get older I understand more of it and I’m able to appreciate and love so many more aspects of it… what a beautiful show.
5:13 whoever drew PB like that did not have to draw her like that
but they did and who am I to deny an artist's vision
Fr whyy 😭😭😭
13:15
@@zerotian5661 Bruh y
art is subjective, and im all in for it
I love lemongrab as a character, and the way his story ends is nice. He winds up denying enlightenment, instead looking into the eyes of greater forces and refusing to take part in them. That’s beautiful, in doing so he realizes he doesn’t need a greater destiny and becomes content.
I really like that too. Very relatable for me. Even if in capable of great things...what if I don't want them?
His character is so deep honestly. I even see the parallels between indigenous and colonized people who are conditioned to fight for their communities but have to give up themselves, their mental, or even their lives. It's such a unfathomable feeling to have to make that decision and it kills me every time I see that episode.
As a person on the autism spectrum, I see a lot of parallels between the lemon people and my peers on the spectrum, including the variety of ways that it can interpret itself, yet still being fundamentally what it is(lemonhope being “more normal” from the other lemon people, but still lacking empathy ), and also some common symptoms in lemongrab such as a desire for control, and a hard time expressing a range of emotions.
As I said before
"Lemongrab Is...Very Relatable?"
lemongrab is exactly how i felt growing up as an autistic person with adhd and ocd, it seemed like nobody understood me. not even my own mother.
I was wondering if it was just me who saw the similarities...
Not autistic btw, or at least not diagnosed with it, but most of my friends are, and maybe that's why I have such fondness for the character... He reminds me of my best buds.
As someone with borderline I can also say that I identify with lemongrab
Stop
You did not need to do that. 13:20
Over 1 million people wanted to see a character study on this Lemon candy. Which is ridiculous. Also, great video lol.
We do not know for a fact that Lemongrab is the first candy citizen created by P.Bubs.
In fact, after Neddy drops from the mother gum, we know she creates her aunt, uncle, and cousin.
What she says, and the distinction is important here; is that Lemongrab was the first of her creations (experiments,) to go horribly wrong.
It could be that the Candy Kingdom was beginning to fill up, and a _truly_ young Bubblegum creates an Earl, to relieve some of the stress from her shoulders.
He could be something she creates, "just in case" she should need the support. So yeah - just remember: LG is the first MISTAKE. Not the first CREATURE CREATION.
Prove me wrong!
I want to say it was stated in the too young episode that she made lg in case something were to happen to her but since he was her first failed experiment, neglected lg. Later she made goliad to once again be a ruler if something were to happen to pb. But this time she made goliad a clean slate; ready to learn and highly influential. But since goliad is pb, goliad was prone to corruption and doing things the “right” way. Thus, another fail. Idk I’m probably wrong but I agree with you
I think she said he was the first one she created not because he was really the first. He is the first one she is willing to admit she created, and only disclosed that information because the situation required it
This also begs the question of where Mr. Creampuff enters into things
I have always thought the episode where lemon grab is eating his twin and his people was a really good depiction of what being in a abusive relationship looks and feels like.
Great analysis, it was really captivating
Thanks !!!!
@@lavaman9910can you please list the songs you used in the video in the description ?
you know. this is still my favorite adventure time analysis. its good stuff my dude.
figured i should say something since it pulled me back.
"wow you watched the entire video"
dawg not only did i watch the whole video, i MEANT to just put it on while i played a game, but i got so invested in learning about Lemongrabs (and hope) i had to pause my game 😂❤
Lemongrab was ALWAYS my favorite character….I couldn’t put my finger on why…..but I could always feel the sadness within him as he hides it behind anger and exaggerated emotions. Such an interesting character! Thanks for this video!
I'm going to be completely honest with you, Lavaman. You gave me a better understanding of Lemongrab, but not only that, you have helped me understand myself a bit more. Your deconstruction and careful choice of words hits hard. As somebody who is autistic and always struggled with my emotions, on top of other things, I've always kind of closed myself off and lashed out when shit happens. While I've worked to become a better human being, I cannot truly separate myself from the mistakes of my makers. My family always just kind of tossed me aside or looked down upon me, treating me as lesser while never caring to learn about me. Everybody kind of knew I was autistic but denied it through the years. I've struggled to form connections in my life, and I've always kind of felt alone, no matter how many people surrounded me. I felt like if I could create something acceptable, I'd find peace.
Over the nearly 23 years of my life, I've felt this strong resentment toward those who brought me into this world, seeing my faults in my mind as a product if their failings, their choice to bring a life into this world, only to totally neglect me and focus in on my sibling. I've always felt shunned and looked down upon, my hate in my youth drove me to self-destructive tendencies, watching as everything around me crumbles with no form of support. I spent much of my life being loud and hateful, never afraid to push away those who I've only seen do harm. I've watched things die around me while I try to put a band-aid on a bullet wound, thinking that if I put a bridge over the ocean in my life, I'd find peace. I never connected the dots until now.
I never really thought about how others would see me when I was a young teenager, giving up and becoming fat, consuming all that I could in a half-baked effort to feel whole. I watched as my life turned to hate me, everything around me hated me. I was deeply unpleasant back then, and I feel like a large, cancerous portion of who I am now was cut away, and I've learned that not everything I do has to be out of raw disagreement toward others. I no longer lash out and I look for simple solutions to simple problems. I don't let the small things break me down anymore, I just patch them up with what I have on hand. I'm not perfect, but I think I'm doing okay now.
I'd love to consider myself a lemon.
Lemon person stay strong !!
@@luxblitzar We lemons stand together.
Well said.
Yo yo, it's grease!
As someone with autism, I support being a lemon person. We have the right to feel pretty okay, too. :)
10:28 I disagree. Lemongrabs isn’t a “ tortured being” by default, as lemongrabs himself explains multiple times, his “ lemon way” is different from the norm. Just because lemongrabs can’t live the life you want him to live and be happy doesn’t mean that lemons can’t live a life.
to be fair i think its still fair to say they're a tortured being since lemongrab clearly desires companionship and people to interact with.
and yet by his very nature, and at the time : was the only one of his kind and was unable to hold "normal" interactions with anyone else.
So in that sense i'd argue its torture. Maybe not in the pure sense of like just thinking/feeling differently, but when that results in him having essentially no one to receive help from then.. yeah lol
as an autistic person I can’t but help thinking about it from a perspective of neurodivergence, we’re often stereotyped as acting like lemon grab and the whole correlation makes me feel a bit iffy on things
Especially the lac’ of empathy and harming eachither because they don’t understand the other candy people
If there’s any other autistic/ADHD people here I’d like to know the input
If it’s purposely an autism metaphor they handled that pretty badly lol
@@EliasPluto A fellow autist here and I agree...mostly, they nail the feeling estranged and confined and struggling to misunderstand people thing but they could have done the slow reveal that he does actually have empathy thing better. IDK I've just seen enough depictions that are way worse to really denounce it?
@@EliasPluto oh definitely I agree, I’m autistic and he always strangely was relatable in a few aspects. Obviously not the staring at people sleep, or being a horrible dictator to his lemon people. But his blunt conversations, him not understanding how others do things but instead doing it his own way which others may not understand, him saying no one understands him, lack of empathy
@@Huh9631 ( Some ) autistic people have low conginitive empathy, not zero empathy. Please, don't spread harmful myths.
25:00 this is also really consistent with tripping
You start with a local hallucination (the ceiling cracking), which then unfolds into a deep internal hallucination-during which you find unexpected realizations and conclusions, and often new perspectives on yourself
And theres so many consistencies. Like meeting a deity like matthew. And they directly reference ego death, etc
this might be the best video I've ever seen
I always wondered why I oddly related to OG lemongrab. I was isolated and bullied and grew up with little to no friends.
It’s strange how Adventure time is such a silly cartoon on the surface but its message is profound and uncovers the subconscious is ways we don’t realize.
Good analysis. I had tears in my eyes
same here, this whole video felt like a very hurtful/productive therapy appointment 😭
@mayonnaiseman_ pffft pff!! 🤣🤣😭 dude stop giving me confirmation bias
Is that you in your pfp? So beautiful ❤️
I relate to him a lot as well I'm black and autistic and had a hard time fitting in growing up, autism runs in my family but ths adults refuse to see it so all of us suffered like lemon in certain ways.
I love Advenure Times ability to take on complex emotions and conceptsin a fun relatable way, that gives kids an introduction to these things. As a parent, Ive often struggled with that delicate balance of wanting to be honest and prepare my kids for life vs not having a damn clue how to do that without rambling, cussing, and just absolutely confusing/terrifying them 😅
Lemongrab... He made me sad, caused laughter, even scared me at times. Probably my favorite character, just for how weird and interesting he is.
30:23 Yeah, I watch the entire thing and tears of happiness began to flow.
Thank you, this is *acceptable* 🍋💖
Such an in-depth analysis of a tragically underrated character. Bro is way more than intense yelling for joke purposes. Thanks bruv. Subbed. On my to the jake episode!
lemongrab cannibalism is something that will NEVER fail to deeply disturb me. I love AT, but I seriously can't believe they let that air next to like, early steven universe stuff
I can't say many shows or movies haven't made me feel. But the way you clearly researched and presented a character to people like me, that haven't finished Adventure Time even now 11 years later, genuinely touches the soul. It's clear that you care about what you do and that's very admirable in this day
13:23 the fanart😭😭😭😭😭😭
Bro 💀💀💀
literally 💀
This is why we can't have nice things.
Don’t forget about 05:29
@@jlopez942001This is UNACCEPTABLEEEEE I want to pour lemon juice into my eyes and then chlorine
This is such a well done and put together analysis of the "quirky comic relief character," I loved it
The Lemongrab episodes all gave me an existential crisis and this is exactly the kind of analysis I've been wanting to try to work through what this show did to me.
“how do you spend your time”
“i watch comprehensive character studies on adventure time characters”
I’ve never had a video weigh on me as much as this one did. Like others I also viewed lemongrab as a one dimensional character that never grew from his flaws and never though to consider how all lemon people are connected in the overall story of him. Understanding the dynamic he had with PB is the first step to view lemongrab not only a villian but a victim too. This is the best video of character analysis/show analysis I’ve ever seen. I loved this video and I hope you continue to make more.
THANK YOU!!
@@lavaman9910hey please what’s the sound you used in 28:00
i think the scene where lemongrab dances to lemonhopes poor flute playing really shows part of his mind how inverted his idea of right and wrong are how he is at a point where he hears objectively bad music and thinks its great enough he cant help but seek it out and dance to it and when hearing good music he finds it so horrible he explodes
if you think thats what it is, you missed the point. the music isnt "objectively" good or bad, that's just the popular opinion. the lemongrabs have a different opinion. they're not wrong, or backwards, they're just different.
Personally I don’t think Lemongrab exploded from hearing “good” music.. My reading was that Lemongrab exploded from Lemonhope’s music playing near the end, even though he could handle it fine and was even possessive of Lemonhope bc of it at first, because the music involuntarily made Lemongrab connect to his repressed emotions (such as guilt and shame) at that moment, as music often tends to do. Lemonhope’s music wasn’t even that well played at that moment, mostly tuneless, but Lemongrab was so used to feeling something when Lemonhope played, that he kind of automatically, placebo-effectedly felt his repressed feelings anyway. And Lemongrab tried to push them down again, but all the stress made his already fragile overstuffed body collapse and explode.
That, and the fact that in the first episode of Adventure Time, PB literally establishes that candy people can actually explode from fear/distress. And while they’re shown to be more resilient in later eps than PB made them out to be, this is still true after a point, and Lemongrab (who is technically still a type of candy person) crossed that line.
@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 oh my goodness I completely forgot that they explode from Fear or Distress. That totally changes my perspective on him.
For some reason, I never saw the parallels between Lemongrab and Frankenstein's monster before. Parallels that I did notice were between LG and PB.
They both have it in their instinct and primal desires to rule something.
They are both authoritarian, with LG being more obvious, having the catchphrase "unacceptable" and immediately punishing people when things don't go his way. PB also has a strong reaction when someone suggests something that doesn't align with what she wants, immediately denying other possibilities. Because their whole lives they both learned they can only depend on themselves and no one else.
They both have a strong desire to create.
While LG is apathetic, PB isn't without her faults. She treats some of her sentient creations badly and throughout the show she acknoladges that she is sometimes cruel (I remember an episode in the later seasons when she told Marceline "haha sorry, that was mean. I'm trying to be less mean".
And that time LG was spying on PB's citizens? Dawg, she spies on her citizens for no reason all the time! Why does she have all those cameras for, then??
AND YET, THROUGH ALL OF THIS, PB is very much "othering" the lemonpeople and keeps repeating the phrase "I don't understand you". After disregarding LG as a failed experiment, that's all she could see him as. She has so many way in which to relate to him, but instead of acknowledging them, she refuses to look at those "broken" parts of herself and puts herself above him.
And that's fucked up, but I don't think she's necessarily a bad person for doing this. The theme of a creator abandoning and forgetting about their creations is not something new. Think of an artist abandoning a sketch, or a writer believing what they wrote isn't good enough. It's a normal human trait and who's to say if we were in PB's place we would have done any different?
And as PB rules as god among the candy people (if you think I'm reaching, turn to the banana guards episode) so does LG think he has the same right.
At the end of the day, they are two sides of the same coin
Good point. I do wish the show had PB acknowledge her poor treatment of LG as part of her character arc. At no point does she apologise or try to understand him. That is sad.
@zemox2534 I think that was a deliberate choice. Somewhere in the last seasons we see her acknowledge the fact that she's "mean" and her desire to be a better person, but she never truly gets a redemption ark bc tbf no punishment is good enough for the things she's done. In the Fionna and Cake (SPOILERS!!!) Winter King episode we see her swap shoes with Ice King and still she isn't able to sympathize with him! (although he did kidnap her a lot and then inflicted that on her so maybe that's fair). What I'm trying to say is that the creators presented us with an amazing character such as PB, showed us all the things she's done, good and bad, and then left us to figure out how to feel about it
I love Adventure Time analysis
But PB still gives lemongrab a brother, when he asked her for citizens she gave him some, she still tries to help the lemon people and lemonhope when they are in a horrible situation, she also gave Lemongrab and Lemonwhite a second chance at life. That is what differenciates her from Frankestain, she might not understand Lemongrab, but that isn't enough to just kill him. And sometimes she tries to understand, specially with lemonhope. In the video he said that it was a mistake to create lemonwhite becouse Frankestain was afraid of what would happend, but that was the worst case scenario, and PB understood that Lemongrab needed someone to understand him, she is not completly heartless and has some care for her first creation. Even if she fails to understand their obvious similarities.
Princess Bubblegum = God
Lemongrab = MANKIND
(The Lemonwhite story is akin to the creation of Eve.) We are like Lemongrab, imperfect compared to our creator, fumbling around, trying to cope with our existence, have a lean towards fascism, eventually turning on ourselves (Lemonwhite, domestic violence), etc.
“i think now is a good time to talk about princess bubblegum’s neglect of lemongrab”
GYAAAAATTT
This character is so deep. I did not realize that he represented a being programmed without the ability to change learning how to accept himself and others.
I honestly just thought it was a yellow guy screaming at everything because he’s a lunatic.
Thanks for the analyzation.
I always read him as autistic.
13:39
In my country, adventure time is heavily censored in cable airings, growing up and rewatching the series, and finding these scenes really changed my perception to the series.
What why? Why is it censored
@Simon Sanchez kumrich
I dunno, probably because the culture here is largely conservative
@@simonsanchezkumrich8489 Canibalism maby?
@@stray_cat2922Liberals are the one who censors not the conservative , Liberals wants everything to be " non triggering "
The line for "Nobody likes me, Everyone hates me" is more of a Latinamericanism played for humor than an accurate dialogue, it's based off of a child rhyme that goes "Nadie me quiere, todos me odian, ya mismo me como un gusanito", the later part translating to "I'm going to eat a little worm".
It's similar to the episode when Gunther had the Ice King's medallion and while in english he says "Gunther! You took my stuff!" in latinamerican spanish he says "Gunther!! Te volviste reggaetonero!! Qué deshooonra!!!", which translates to "Gunther!! You became a reggaeton singer!! For shaaaaame!!"
Regardless, great analysis, very interesting!
Ahhhh! My mom says that lolll that's actually a great connection!!
Así es! Te ganaste una rociadita!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Freedom to not rain, I guess 💀💀 this line always hit me, like this is where freedom starts to sink in
A major reason that Lemongrab is so hostile is because it's an inherited trait from Princess Bubblegum.
The reason he strikes the viewer as such a familiar and yet unpleasant figure is because he lacks those relatable qualities she has, like empathy and joy.
He is her most negative traits stripped bare of any sweetness, and is thus "defective" like a "lemon" car that doesn't run right.
His anger when something defies his expectations is no different from hers, she'll destroy or toss aside a failed "experiment" with a sapient form of life without even blinking.
She views it as her right, she created the entire candy kingdom herself, never having a family to nurture her or teach her right from wrong.
She even created a family of her own, but destroyed them once she realized they weren't her equals, rather than trying to raise them up.
In the end, he is a reflection of her, and that's why she cannot stand him. She views him as a mockery of her, kingdom and all.
She even tried to propagandize a child to produce an "acceptable" leader for this shadow of her kingdom, only to fail when he rejected the role she thought she could foist upon him.
Even Lemongrab's catchphrase of "UNACCEPTABLE" is a reflection of her, as anything that doesnt meet her fickle standards is unacceptable and must be obliterated on the spot, as was the case with Rattleballs.
Not to nitpick, but he's not the first candy person, just the first one to go wrong (although maybe not even that since we know about Gumbald, Lolli, and Cousin Chicle now). And considering he's one of the very few intelligent candy people, I think that's probably where things went wrong. The only other smart candy person is Peppermint Butler who we know is very deep into the Dark Arts, so I think PB making most of her citizens dumb probably has more to do with her not wanting to repeat the mistakes she made with Lemongrab. It didn't take long for Goliad to turn either, even if that was due to Finn and Jake's teaching methods.
Although if she wasn't blinded by her own hubris, she could have fully baked Cinnamon Bun who may have stayed loyal to her, although its hard to say, because by the time he met Flame Princess, he really had caught on to PB's methods.
Omg i just NOW realised that CB being in the firekingdom „fully baked“ him LOL thx haha
@@meilinstanislawska3808 now i want a character analysis on Cinnamonbun! Lol
@@warmsvfflina I'd totally be here for that. I'd love a FP & CB Distant Lands also lol
i never realized how much i actually relate to lemongrab. he’s always been one of my favorite characters from AT but i didn’t realize how i actually relate to him especially now. my mom liked me until i started having mental problems and she doesn’t really treat me very nice anymore. it’s gotten to the point where my entire family is starting to dislike me. i’ve started to lose trust pretty much everyone and i lash out often which causes my family to push me away even more. although i do lash out i can help but feel like it’s her fault that i’m antisocial and depressed but with everyone else on her side, i’m left alone. pretty similar to lemongrab, finding friends really helped me
it is big CPTSD energy lol. its so weird to me how much his story reads like a neglect to narcissism pipeline
Hey friend, I'm so sorry you've had to go through this piece of your personal story. I'm glad you've found good friends. Do you have access to therapy and stuff too?
@@KaraokeDeepCuts yeah i do but the thing is is that my mom actually picked my last couple of therapists so they were a lot like her and i guess that triggered something in me to not want to open up so it’s kinda counter productive
I hope you find people who are entirely sweet to you !
always thought they did original/fat lemongrab a lot of disservice in his writing but when compared and contrasted with lemonwhite i guess it does reveal a lot more nuance, still think the writers didn't have to be quite so harsh on him before he became a tyrant but appreciate the perspective
THIS IS AN EXCELLENT VIDEO ESSAY
Lemonhope has empathy, that's the only reason he would feel a need to pay back a debt without having any other preconditioning towards the concept. His problem is he lived in a place that was almost entirely devoid of empathy so he was conditioned against following it. He changed when he understood the weight of his inaction on others, that being him almost dying and the example of action set forth by PB in helping him.
Lemonhope's story was deeply unsettling to me when I first watched it. I'm so excited to hear someone else talk about it lol.
one of the best parts of the show
Wtf this video is incredible… well done man, seriously. I went into this thinking “how complex could Lemongrab possibly be??” And came out understanding… really well done. Earned a sub from me no doubt!
Rewatching the show after growing up brings a whole new and deeper perspective to which your content analysis fits like a glove. Thank you!
What an amazing video, well said, I loved Lemongrabs character arc so much, he is such a complex and unique character!
The lemon grab, and magic man arcs are my two favorite stories told in adventure time.
I'm still amazed that, despite being dissolved for approximately long time, Lemonwhite lived long enough to do his one last selfless act.
I am sure he knew he'd die from Lemongrabs' "music death", but not just he lived to that moment, he also made the move without hesitation.
What a tortured way to be a hero.
its overwhelming how this story of just one character in AT shows how the human conciousness works to some degree. simply genius
Thank you, it was very insightful & interesting. Love the notes on the mountain of Matthew, I always get distracted during that one.
2:14 thank you for this unhinged Spanish pronunciation, makes me feel better that I'm not the only one on the struggle bus 😂❤
Interesting video, I've always kind of relating to lemon grab, well not cannibalism, but the lack of empathy he's always been a disturbing character to me like a warning to who I can become, so to see a character study done on him is really cool. The way you handle the themes and also had a dash of comedy was really neat, keep up the good work man
5:28
Lord have mercy. We must stay focused my brothers, we must.
So fucking true
FOCUS BROTHERS
Arghhhh, help me bothersss i don't wanna nuttttt
@@Lukkundant STAY FOCUS DON'T DO IT BROTHER
@@Lukkundant🍋: UNACCEPTABLE!!!
So many ppl think PB is a monster(not out of place, all things considered lol), but if you remember what she said about neddy; we dont need to understand him, we just need to accept it. She may have the same mentality towards lemongrab
This was amazing, I don’t know how else to describe it. You dove into lemon grab with so much detail, this is just so cool.
Just wanted to say, wow great video! I always found Lemongrab's story interesting but didnt think about it too much as he is always brushed off. The video is really well thought out, insightful and empathetic and really brings out a lot of the obvious aspects of his story that we neglect as well as explaining some elements which, upon initial watching can come of as nonsensical as you dont expect the depth from a kids show, particularly the interaction with Matthew. Thought provoking and enjoyable. After watching this I went and looked at your other videos. I hope to see more. :)
This was amazing. Really did a great job with his character analysis. Brought soooo many things to light for me. 10/10.
not gonna lie but the Lemongrabs were my favorite characters. They were just so hilarious and creepy. (also the "MMMMN" in the letter is literally so funny)🤣 This was also A LOT of interesting backstory that I didn't know about! I LITERALLY watched ALL of it.
That was amazing. I never truly familiarized myself with the character, but this arc in all its charming, wacky, absolutely disturbing and painful reality, is a psychological gem. Thank you for putting so much time and effort into it.
Hey I just wanna say this is one of the best things I've ever seen. I've watched it a couple times already. Thank you for your hard work.
Man, this is the first analysis of the last episode about Lemongrab with the Mountain of Matthew that actually makes sense. Really great job overall. So many dots I saw but never connected.
is everyone gonna ignore 13:11
yes.
Ignoring that is acceptable
lemon grab incest yaoi
i loved this video. thank you so much for the in-depth analysis. great work.
homeboy casually dropped one of the hardest vids on this platform
also that grayble episode with lemonsweet scared the shit outta me when i was young
I see parallels between the lemon people and myself being autistic, borderline, and narcissistic. Empathy isn’t everything, it’s what you choose to logically do despite lack of personal understanding.
I absolutely love this video! An additional piece to his character that really shook me is in one of the last lemon grab scenes where he hands PB a note which says "unmake me" during the big battle.
amazing video, ive always been interested in lemongrabs arc as i felt it was really saying something, but i couldnt fully grasp what.