Yes Oakland politicians aren’t great but a good owner would’ve got a deal done at Howard Terminal. A’s have had horrible owners. Haas family is the only good ownership A’s have had since being in Oakland
Unfortunately fans don't get to choose owners/ownership groups, the wealthy billionaires do... They sell to the highest bidder in same way as we sell anything to the highest bidder, never to the lowest bidder... Nor can the fans force a billionaire to sell a team either... With the city of Oakland attempting to EXTORT MLB for a expansion team, well, the MLB won't be extorted... The MLB extort cities, not the other way around... If that happened, the commissioner would be sacked before the sun sets that day...
My problem isn't with the people and the politics, my main problem is their actions they make like making bad choices and changing their minds too frequently, picky brats, either give the people and sports teams what they want or else they will all move out of Oakland.
@@ronclark9724actually cities can extort mlb, when the mlb expanded in 1969 in Seattle they left after 1 year because sick stadium was awful, Seattle lawmakers took it to court and mlb had to give Seattle a new team in the expansion that’s how Seattle got the mariners, if Oakland lawmakers are smart they could definitely put the mlb is bad spot and force them to give Oakland a new team
My suggestion would be for MLB to FORCE the Fisher ownership group out and take over operations (much like when they had to step in with the Expos) until a new owner comes forth, with the stipulation and priority given to an ownership group that will commit to a new stadium in Oakland. The current owners should not be allowed to cash in on a move, not after purposely putting out an inferior product that they forced all of MLB, and Oakland in particular, to endure for the last couple of years.
Allegiant Stadium is 100% not happening. Mark Davis and Al Davis hates John Fisher and the A’s, they have publicly said it many times. The thing with the Vegas Minor League Ballpark, is that the entire ballpark would have to be upgraded to MLB standards meaning a separate clubhouse for the A’s, the lights would have to be raised to MLB standards, the real grass would have to be converted to artificial turf (I’m sure the players union would love that /s) which they would have to play on in triple digit heat, more seats would have to be added. The Giants would not want the A’s to stick around any longer so they can hope that us A’s fans can convert into Giants fans (I’m done with MLB if those shovels hit the ground in Vegas if they are still as the A’s). It’s going to get interesting, I hope John Fisher and Dave Kaval fails on his quest to Vegas. SELL THE TEAM
It might kill Salt Lakes minor league team. Montreal makes lots of sense. No minors, and Montreal wants to prove they can draw for an expansion team. Get the most gate there.
In the news release shown, it says Dave Kavel has "identified" 3 locations, lol...that is all that guy has ever been able to do is "identify" location...but to secure, build, or fund....he fails at. Truthfully, no city should want anything to do with Fisher or Kavel. Why other MLB owner want anything to do with them is mind boggling.
Reportedly, the MLBPA won't agree to let the a's play in a minor league park for three years. The clubhouse and other facilities are not up to major league park standards. The player's association doesn't want their MLB stars to deal with AAA level facilities. Really, their best choice is to bite the bullet and stay in oakland until the LV park is ready.
Can you do a video on what the moving application entails? I don't get how they have a complete application when they don't have a plan on where to play or any real renderings of the new stadium.
Wrong fact. The new Howard Terminal stadium was never designed to only hold 30K. More like 38k and along the waterfront. Your 30k stadium is the Vegas place, indoors, and could end up like Miami.
Even though its a last ditch effort, this is the perfect play by the city of Oakland in this situation. As an A's fan for 30 years, I am ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ok with the A's ceasing to exist as a team over them continuing to exist as the Las Vegas A's. At least the A's would still be mine if only in my memories.
Well if the Athletics ceased to exist then they belong to nobody, but apart from your melodramatic position of hoping they go away from existence, to suit your maudlin perspective and your feelings, Its quite apparent that you are in need of a lesson in history, of which I'm more than happy to share with you. This is not the Athletics first rodeo regarding relocation. It's not even their second rodeo...this is their third likely relocation to a fourth city, which means they have a history of moving successfully. Las Vegas will likely be no different. It's odd to hear of a fan wishing a team to cease to exist...given the Athletics rich history of great players from the Connie Mack era with his vaunted $100,000 infield of McInnis, Barry, Baker & Collins to the era of Foxx, Grove, Cochrane & Simmons, to the era of the Swingin' A's of Jackson, Tenace, North, Campaneris, Bando, Rudi, Blue, Fingers & Hunter, and concluding with the competitive yet under-achieving Athletics of the LaRussa era. The Oakland Athletics do not belong to you personally. Technically they belong to the owner. All you have, all you've ever had is an emotional attachment to a team that will gladly accept your money for their tickets, and their merchandise, and in return maybe....create some wins, an occasional championship if you are lucky, and remain in your city which in the case of Oakland is rather unlikely. I'd hate to see a team that I like, leave town, but I wouldn't be so melodramatic as to hope they disappear, to suit my emotional need to have my feelings of disappointment validated, with an absurd sense of juvenile vengeance such as you, because baseball is a business, first. It does not care, nor will it ever care about your feelings. After 30 years it's past the time for you to realize that and get a grip. You're Welcome.
As long as Fisher pays the bills and isn't convicted of a felony, I doubt whether the other wealthy MLB owners are gong to force him to sell the team... Frankly the other MLB owners are happy Fisher is a lousy owner as they are taking advantage of the situation... If you don't want to sign better players, we will...
I was looking up mlb contraction a couple days ago-- the team they definitely wanted to eliminate: Montreal. Their owner (Jeffrey Lourie) was sick and tired (I guess) of his situation, he sold the Expos back to MLB and he was allowed to buy the Marlins. Owners will do anything for one of their wanted brothers...
There are precedents for all of the three scenari you described: 1) when the Giants first moved to San Francisco, they played their home games at Seals Stadium, a minor league ballpark in 1958-9; 2) in the mid-1970's, the Yankees moved into Shea Stadium (home of the Mets) for two years while Yankee Stadium was being rebuilt, and 3) after the A's left Kansas City in 1967, the AL expanded back into KC two years later with the Royals.
You also forgot to factor in… If they moved to the Las Vegas minor league stadium, they’d share it with their AAA minor league affiliate which would tear up their grass field conditions. Also all MLB teams have to play day games on days that teams have to immediately travel after the conclusion of a homestand or if a major event is happening in a city (concert, festival, conference, etc..). That means these day games in Las Vegas, players would be playing in 100+F or sometimes 110+F temps with no dome/roof & open air in the hot Sun. Add the fact that it’ll be field turf possibly if they share with their AAA team, make the field actually hotter than the air temperature. The MLBPA / union would not agree to those conditions for several years. Also, I’m willing to bet there would be several potential owners of an expansion team in Oakland due to the fact the Bay Area is lined up with a lot of tech / Silicon Valley investors + wouldn’t have any issue potentially funding the Howard Terminal ballpark site as Oakland officials & A’s Ownership were less than $100 million gap in negotiations to fund the entire project before Fisher / A’s brass back out at the last minute & instead went to Las Vegas. Joe Lacob owner of the NBA’s Warriors is still rumored to want to buy an MLB team. Nearly bought the A’s in the 2000s before purchasing the Warriors then.
@@jahanas22 the AAA team could move to their older former ballpark (Cashman Field, I think). Or they could move to a small city that could build them a minor league ballpark.
The Giants hold events at Oracle Park while the Giants are on the road. And having the A's there full-time could tear up the grass/bring problems keeping the field in proper condition(the Giants have had issues in the past about this). Only way A's share Oracle is if MLB/Rob Manfraud forces the Giants to do so(or enough $$$$ is thrown at the Giants)
Tear up the grass? The A's are a baseball team just like the Giants are... Having events other than baseball tear up the grass far more than another baseball team would... Also it's close to Oakland and in a better area so the fans might come out more than they do for the coliseum, so that gets rid of your other events "point". MLB wouldn't give them more money if anything the Giants would have to give money cause they would be profiting by having two home teams...
@@crazylegs1823 and tell us you're willingly ignorant without telling us you're willingly ignorant. Oracle Park has had issues with the grass for years, and has to replace sod constantly. Another team playing there aggravates this problem. And again, the Giants hold other events because it makes $$$. The A's being there will have to make it work for the Giants financially. Facts, and facts don't care about your ill-formed opinions and wishful thinking.
The grass is not an issue for two teams. It very well could work fine. The schedule would be the most challenging. But the Giants have in the past offered if the A's needed a temporary place to play. I believe when the Raiders were looking to build the A's needed a place to play and the Giants said they would consider letting them use AT&T. It not like having a shared building with a football team. If the Raiders and A's could share the Giants and A"s would not be an issue.
If they would decline the Vegas minor league stadium because it only seats 10k, I’m not sure how they are better off playing in Oakland where only 5k show up.
I can't see Oracle being a viable option last-minute. The location of the ballpark in SF means the city has to divert trains, bring in police to direct traffic, etc and with the Warriors also nearby I don't think an extra 81 A's games a year would be very practical or appealing just to get a portion of revenues from low-attendance events
Las Vegas Ballpark will be hard. Triple A games are 6 game series, and the Aviators already said they would need additional clubhouses and artificial turf to make it work.
I could only see the A's in SF if it was temporary, so if they were building a new stadium in Oakland and the A's needed somewhere to play for a couple years while it was built.
I know nothing is ever easy, but after the Raiders leaving Oakland (twice), I would love to see the city of Oakland tell the A's bye and we're not working any deals for you. Maybe the city would be better off trying to get a minor league team to have baseball in Oakland. I think San Francisco has become too big of a shadow to overcome.
Considering the A’s have more World Series - beat the giants in team series historically and even saved the giants when they were on their way to Tampa…. I can say your wrong….. You have recency bias
@@GeraldM_inNC The California League is a Low A minor league, although with potential MLB expansion there could be more teams added to the AAA Pacific Coast League... The city would have to build a $100 million plus ballpark with seating capacity approaching 10 thousand for AAA or $50 million plus for a Low A ballpark with a seating capacity approaching 5 thousand... Since minor league teams do NOT control their player's rosters whatsoever, the MLB affiliate team does, Oakland should be happy with a Low A team...
@@michaelvaughn6145 With as nice as Allegiant is, I doubt the Raiders ever come back to Oakland. Maybe for an exhibition game or something for kicks but that's about it. Sorry man.
I think Allegiant is definitely worth a look. It wouldn't be a shrine to baseball (it would probably look something like the old Exhibition Stadium in Toronto), but it solves three big problems (climate, seating capacity, scheduling) if it could somehow be used as a temporary stadium. I really don't think the Raiders would care as long as the stadium returns to normal on their game days.
Yeah, Mark Davis moved to Vegas largely because he was sick of the A's. The reasons DG gave for Allegiant not working as an A's home are valid, but above all else, Davis would sooner willingly get heat stroke than let the A's play in his venue.
@@sportsmaster1364 But, do the Raiders even have a say in this? They don't own the stadium. I think it would come down to the fine print in the lease agreement.
Even if the minor league stadium only holds 12-15,000, it’s more than the 5,000 that are showing up to Oakland. As for the Jaguars, would not be surprised if they end up in London.
A's averaging 10,568 fans, if they stay in coliseum they get to keep their standing/money in the 10th largest tv market. Tampa has worst stadium, many issues concerning playing in Vegas minor league park
In 1974 and 1975, Shea Stadium served as the home for both the Yankees and the Mets while Yankee Stadium was being renovated. So the idea of the A's and Giants sharing Oracle Park isn't crazy.
Yes it is crazy. If it does somehow happen which I doubt, A's fans should go there and sabotage the home of the team that blocked their move to San Jose and paved the way for the A's to be driven out of the Bay Area.
1975 Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets shared Shea Stadium for one season. Imagine the SF Giants, A’s, Raiders and Niners sharing Candlestick Park for one season
The problem is… in today’s market.. there is nothing wrong with the stadium itself… fans are NOT coming to see a stadium… They are there to see a PROFESSIONAL baseball team… and right now…. the fans are not coming.. NOT because of the stadium… but because the A’s are not fielding an MLB team. The city of Oakland is no longer giving into the pro-sports blackmail. The A’s will suck no matter what city or stadium they play in and they are no longer willing to drop $1B+ subsidy on a pro-sports franchise. I know you complain about their stadium… but the reality is this.. when a pro-sports team needs a stadium with ton’s of amenities to compete…. that means… THEY SUCK…. I think Tampa needs a park more… first… They are winners… Second.. The lighting at that toilet makes it difficult to play the games in… that actually affects game play… third… horrid location… Oakland… they fail at one… second they are open air and lighting is not an issue… and third.. the fans have proven that you field a winner.. and they will come… amenities or not. Go Oakland. I hate pro-sports franchises that play this perpetual blackmail against their fans… the very people who pay ticket prices and comes to the games…
I'd say they're either playing in SF or in LV for the few years before the stadium opens. MLB is not giving Oakland an expansion team. I don't see the A's owners staying for those years.
The Oakland Coliseum needs an LED scoreboard that MUST take over all of the Mount Davis seating chart for the 2024 season. It would still be the worst stadium in Major League Baseball, but the fans would LOVE the new LED scoreboard and the top part of the outfield would look MUCH better, even if it is still the worst stadium in baseball. The attendance would drastically increase due to the LED scoreboard being put in Mount Davis.
what I do not get and what I saw of your video you did not mention , the Oakland Athletics own 50 percent of the Coliseum and the parking , so I dont get how much control they have over anything
Las Vegas needs to get itself a team of their own. To pick off another Oakland team seems wrong and Las Vegas is an artificial market that has yet to be proven as a stable market for baseball with that brutal heat. Once the water and gambling money runs low that market will be losing people in droves. If I’m Las Vegas, I’d think hard about committing to another public funding of a luxury playhouse for a rich man’s team. Especially when you still are paying off the bonds for your Arena and Football stadium. The state of Nevada ranks near the bottom for health, education,and they got a homeless problem. Think those need to be addressed then trying to build another billion dollar stadium.
I don't think the Giants would be willing to share Oracle Park with the A's when you factor in the additional wear and tear on the facilities and the field.
Giants have BA to themselves with A's out of town. So I could see them taking A's to make sure no expansion team is in Oak. with Mayor's idea. They can ramp up the rent too. May have pressure from MLB to do that too.
The whole situation is a mess. How about, converting Sam Boyd Stadium into a baseball facility? Why don't you look at conversion projects well football stadiums were converted into football.
If memory serves me right, the only reason that Fischer wants to remain at the Coliseum for the next three years is that he loses his half ownership interest in the Coliseum if he doesn't. It was due to some complicated clause in the contract. He would forfeit all his past payments towards co-ownership, something like that. MLB ought to order Fischer to move out of Oakland now or they won't approve the Las Vegas relo at all.
@@Julian_Wallis Yes, thank you, that's it. If they fail to pay the $45 mil, do they lose their 50 percent share including no refund of the previous payments? I think so. Fischer would be a fool to remain in Oakland just so as not to have wasted his previous payments: a basic rule of life and business is "you don't throw good money after bad." It just isn't worth staying three more years just to get a 50 percent interest in the Coliseum. Manfred ought to give him an ultimatum: commit to leaving Oakland this spring.or MLB will reject the move to LV.
You mean the unfinished lake in the middle of North Natomas where the old Sleep Train Arena was? No, that will never happen. IF the A's came to Sacramento then they would play at Sutter Health Park in West Sac.
Actually the minor league pack in Vegas is far below MLB standards. Needs new lights and the players association will never approve all those outside games in Vegas.
Two baseball teams using the same stadium is not new. As far as I know both the A’s and the Phillies shared the old ballpark in north Philadelphia for years. That may be why they left Philadelphia so many years ago.
MLB should really try to keep the A's in Oaktown.. This franchise has already moved around so much... Las Vegas will get a team eventually even if A's dont go...
This is a true mess and there doesn't seem to be a clear and geeat path forward. You do kinda wonder though, with the Raiders and Warriors departed, have Oakland just threw their hands up and gave up on sports altogether. I'd probably say best bet for A's is go to Vegas and work a deal with the Raiders for those few years.
At this point, this is the only way Oakland still has a team: 1. Move the current franchise to Vegas after 2024. Leave all the brand and records in Oakland 2. Tear down the Coliseum as soon as they leave and put the new stadium on its site. 3. MLB expands into Oakland in 2027. If the new stadium is not ready, have them play in Sacramento for a year or two, that way you don't have to worry about the Giants. Maybe play a couple home series at Oracle while the Giants are on the road (or even any games against the Giants). Sac's stadium has a 14k capacity all in btw
You could also build at HT which actually isn’t as bad of location as people think being on the waterfront and close to the 880, but yes. However, I will say playing at Sacramento probably isn’t viable in the eyes of the MLB. You also have to consider the Las Vegas A(ces) and Giants being immediate no votes.
Giants won't allow it. Giants consider sactown as their territory and their AAA affiliate is there. They use to be the A's AAA affiliate until the owner died and his daughter aligned with the Giants.
It completely blows my mind that the league has not even forced John Fisher to sell the team. Just tells you how deficient MLB is, as a whole. Call me naive but I thought the Oakland Raiders leaving for Las Vegas was bad......
They move to that minor league stadium for a season they still will have more fans show up then Oakland. 5,000 fans shows up for A’s games I bet they can get 8,000 every night
Average attendance for the A's in Oakland this year has been 8,500. There is no advantage to the A's staying in Oakland until the Las Vegas new stadium is built. Better to move to the Las Vegas minor league park which is a much better stadium. The Oakland mayor is asking for too much.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t know why the attendance is low…. Please do some research on how the A’s haven’t kept key players or Spent money on a player since Eric Chavez in 2004…. That was their last big contract…… It’s incredible how people simp for fisher without knowing the situation
@@stefanbrown5872 True baseball fans support their teams win or lose. Owners, management, and players come and go, teams shouldn't... If you only support winners, and teams whose owners outspend the other owners, well, you are a fair weather fan, not a true fan...Presently there are 30 MLB teams to enjoy, not just one...
@@ronclark9724This ain't "win or lose". It would be different if ownership was making SOME attempt to be competitive. This is flat out SABOTAGE by Fisher, and everyone knows it.
The A's (legally) own half the Coliseum site now. They bought Alameda County's half. So they will sue the city for the rights to play at the stadium for 3 years or be paid to sell their part...
Plus when Oakland and Alameda County both owned the Coliseum, they refuse to maintain and modernize it. Take a look at Angels Stadium, it is the same age as the Coliseum but the City Of Anaheim maintain it and modernized it.
@@IkilledColMustard When the Rams left Anaheim, Disney (who I believed owned part or all of the Angels) and the city of Anaheim came together and decided to redo the outfield in a baseball-only manner. Oakland modernized the Coliseum in the mid 90s by building a huge NFL sideline grandstand five years after sports started shifting away from multi-use stadiums.
Heck no! I’ve said this before I will say this again. No way in hell Oakland gets an expansion team. Sports is dead in the city and we all knew this when the raiders left. Rob Manfred is not going to give Oakland an expansion and the A’s are leaving 100% sorry Oakland fans, sad but true.
I understand that Oakland fans are upset right now knowing they’re going to loose their team but speaking from a MLB perspective I just don’t see Oakland getting an expansion team. Besides who would flip the bill to build a new stadium, who would own the team the city? There is no one pitching in to get another team into the city. A lot of people talk about giving San Antonio, Montreal or Austin but neglect to realize that to have a team a city needs someone to own and pay for it. That’s why Oakland is unlikely to get an expansion team and at this point it’s just too late to keep the A’s in the city, sad but true
@@deanwille8130 He does not need to. Applying critical thinking confirms the trend in Oakland. They lost the Warriors. They lost the Raiders, hence unable to secure any stadium deal whatsoever to retain either team, now the A's are apparently leaving because of the same issue. For MLB to grant Oakland a new team, a new baseball stadium would have to be secured as a certainty. For a media market that's ranked roughly 10th in the country, that has proven to be very elusive. Down the line it could happen...maybe...but right now, I don't see it happening for that city. MLB expansion news has not been remotely focused on California.
@@jeremyd1869 That's my argument. Stadiums have nothing to do with government. No tax money should be going towards it. Mlb is just needs to lower their standards to the level that their fans pay out.
Zero chance the Raiders do a deal to help the A's out without it being an even steeper deal than the Giants and the city of Oakland have or would have. Davis hates the A's front office....with a passion. Doubt they could get the MLBPA to buy off on them playing at the Aviators ballpark for 3 seasons. But the 3 sites the A's say they've identified as a post 2024 home include Summerlin and Oracle. And that those are part of the choices is pretty indicative of how ill planned this jaunt to Vegas has been. If the Coli were an option at all a competent front office could have milked an extension b4 going scorched earth since they would need an extension on the lease regardless if they stayed or left. But we ain't dealing with thoughtful competence with Fisher and Kaval. They never had a plan for where they would play once they left Oakland until I'm suspecting MLB told them they ain't playing 3 yrs in an undomed minor league ballpark in triple digit temps. Cuz the Aviators park had seemingly been their main plan for a temp home.
Your title is not at all accurate. The situation is not getting worse, or getting murkier by the day. Just more noise from a desperate Oakland mayor. Options for the transition years including either an AAA stadium, or another MLB stadium somewhere in the west, preferably out of the Bay Area and California. AZ may be the best bet. MLB will demand a fair competition with Portland, Salt Lake, and maybe Austin. There is no way those cities would get cut out to guarantee Oakland. Makes no sense, and no sense for the name to stay with a city without a team.
This is why the A's should stay in Oakland, and if you are going to put a team in Vegas put an expansion team. This situation is a disaster, an absolute embarrassment. 💯 no doubt
If the Athletics leave, get rid of that nose-bleed park with an upper deck no one can sit in, and build a new, retro 45,000 seat park that has a Spanish-Mission style befitting California's history- take a team name from Pacific Coast League history ( like the Oakland Oaks ) and apply it to the new expansion team.
Expansion team? For an impoverished crime ridden city with a boarded up downtown and miles and miles of homeless encampments and a Trotskyite mayor and city council?
all this talk about the coliseum being such a horrific stadium, personally i don't see it ? it looks fine to me. so what if it's over 50 years old. the coliseum in rome is 5000 years old; and people love it. just because fans aren't buying tickets to see the As play isn't the stadium's fault. it's the un loyal fans...
For real, right? Even though the A's have been in Oakland for over 50 years, the A's franchise isn't born and bred in Oakland. Yeah, if/when the A's leave, Oakland might be out of the pro sports business. People keep talking about how Oakland might get a WNBA team, but even then, I would assume the WNBA team would rather play at the Warriors new home Chase Center in San Francisco, over the Warriors old home Oracle Arena in Oakland. The San Jose Arena may be a better option for the WNBA team as well.
Imagine a city attempting to EXTORT MLB... The MLB prefer extorting cities... The truth is fans enjoy attending games in a nice clean wonderful stadium venue, not a dirty old horrible obsolete stadium... And fans are willing to pay more taxes for a nice stadium as they are they ones using and enjoying them...
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Yes Oakland politicians aren’t great but a good owner would’ve got a deal done at Howard Terminal. A’s have had horrible owners. Haas family is the only good ownership A’s have had since being in Oakland
Unfortunately fans don't get to choose owners/ownership groups, the wealthy billionaires do... They sell to the highest bidder in same way as we sell anything to the highest bidder, never to the lowest bidder... Nor can the fans force a billionaire to sell a team either... With the city of Oakland attempting to EXTORT MLB for a expansion team, well, the MLB won't be extorted... The MLB extort cities, not the other way around... If that happened, the commissioner would be sacked before the sun sets that day...
@@ronclark9724 if A’s extend lease after getting approval to move, Oakland can’t get anything out of it?
My problem isn't with the people and the politics, my main problem is their actions they make like making bad choices and changing their minds too frequently, picky brats, either give the people and sports teams what they want or else they will all move out of Oakland.
@@ronclark9724 if baseball keeps this up, people will lose interest
@@ronclark9724actually cities can extort mlb, when the mlb expanded in 1969 in Seattle they left after 1 year because sick stadium was awful, Seattle lawmakers took it to court and mlb had to give Seattle a new team in the expansion that’s how Seattle got the mariners, if Oakland lawmakers are smart they could definitely put the mlb is bad spot and force them to give Oakland a new team
My suggestion would be for MLB to FORCE the Fisher ownership group out and take over operations (much like when they had to step in with the Expos) until a new owner comes forth, with the stipulation and priority given to an ownership group that will commit to a new stadium in Oakland. The current owners should not be allowed to cash in on a move, not after purposely putting out an inferior product that they forced all of MLB, and Oakland in particular, to endure for the last couple of years.
Allegiant Stadium is 100% not happening. Mark Davis and Al Davis hates John Fisher and the A’s, they have publicly said it many times. The thing with the Vegas Minor League Ballpark, is that the entire ballpark would have to be upgraded to MLB standards meaning a separate clubhouse for the A’s, the lights would have to be raised to MLB standards, the real grass would have to be converted to artificial turf (I’m sure the players union would love that /s) which they would have to play on in triple digit heat, more seats would have to be added. The Giants would not want the A’s to stick around any longer so they can hope that us A’s fans can convert into Giants fans (I’m done with MLB if those shovels hit the ground in Vegas if they are still as the A’s). It’s going to get interesting, I hope John Fisher and Dave Kaval fails on his quest to Vegas. SELL THE TEAM
Ginger: "They (A's) should be better next year."
John Fisher: "Hold my beer."
Salt Lake City has a perfectly viable stadium available. It might be beneficial additionally to help ascertain whether SLC deserves an expansion team.
Totally agree. This is the best idea, outside of maybe playing in Vegas ballpark in spring and fall and Oracle in the summer
It might kill Salt Lakes minor league team. Montreal makes lots of sense. No minors, and Montreal wants to prove they can draw for an expansion team. Get the most gate there.
SLC is a good alternative. Playing in 105+ temps in Vegas is brutal.
@@deplorablepepe7576So 4 teams are going to fly cross country to play their regional rival twice a year?
@@Summitclym "Playing in 105+ temps in Vegas is brutal." Just ask the Aviators who play in it all summer long.
In the news release shown, it says Dave Kavel has "identified" 3 locations, lol...that is all that guy has ever been able to do is "identify" location...but to secure, build, or fund....he fails at. Truthfully, no city should want anything to do with Fisher or Kavel. Why other MLB owner want anything to do with them is mind boggling.
Reportedly, the MLBPA won't agree to let the a's play in a minor league park for three years. The clubhouse and other facilities are not up to major league park standards. The player's association doesn't want their MLB stars to deal with AAA level facilities. Really, their best choice is to bite the bullet and stay in oakland until the LV park is ready.
Can you do a video on what the moving application entails? I don't get how they have a complete application when they don't have a plan on where to play or any real renderings of the new stadium.
This Oakland ownership is a joke. You think they would have their ducks in a row before announcing relocation. 🤦♀️
Wrong fact. The new Howard Terminal stadium was never designed to only hold 30K. More like 38k and along the waterfront. Your 30k stadium is the Vegas place, indoors, and could end up like Miami.
It's over for Oakland sports. Mlb won't give them an expansion team because MLB doesn't want to be there anymore.
Even though its a last ditch effort, this is the perfect play by the city of Oakland in this situation. As an A's fan for 30 years, I am ONE HUNDRED PERCENT ok with the A's ceasing to exist as a team over them continuing to exist as the Las Vegas A's. At least the A's would still be mine if only in my memories.
Well if the Athletics ceased to exist then they belong to nobody, but apart from your melodramatic position of hoping they go away from existence, to suit your maudlin perspective and your feelings, Its quite apparent that you are in need of a lesson in history, of which I'm more than happy to share with you.
This is not the Athletics first rodeo regarding relocation. It's not even their second rodeo...this is their third likely relocation to a fourth city, which means they have a history of moving successfully.
Las Vegas will likely be no different.
It's odd to hear of a fan wishing a team to cease to exist...given the Athletics rich history of great players from the Connie Mack era with his vaunted $100,000 infield of McInnis, Barry, Baker & Collins to the era of Foxx, Grove, Cochrane & Simmons, to the era of the Swingin' A's of Jackson, Tenace, North, Campaneris, Bando, Rudi, Blue, Fingers & Hunter, and concluding with the competitive yet under-achieving Athletics of the LaRussa era.
The Oakland Athletics do not belong to you personally. Technically they belong to the owner. All you have, all you've ever had is an emotional attachment to a team that will gladly accept your money for their tickets, and their merchandise, and in return maybe....create some wins, an occasional championship if you are lucky, and remain in your city which in the case of Oakland is rather unlikely.
I'd hate to see a team that I like, leave town, but I wouldn't be so melodramatic as to hope they disappear, to suit my emotional need to have my feelings of disappointment validated, with an absurd sense of juvenile vengeance such as you, because baseball is a business, first. It does not care, nor will it ever care about your feelings. After 30 years it's past the time for you to realize that and get a grip.
You're Welcome.
@@moonytheloony6516I'm guessing you're the guy who was never invited to parties
@@redpillfreedom6692Nah. He's just stating the facts...
It blows me mind why they would not make Fisher sell the team in order of them to move. It is painfully obvious he can not manage this team.
If im not mistaken the MLB commish is friends with Fisher so it would take the other owners to vote and make him sell the team
As long as Fisher pays the bills and isn't convicted of a felony, I doubt whether the other wealthy MLB owners are gong to force him to sell the team... Frankly the other MLB owners are happy Fisher is a lousy owner as they are taking advantage of the situation... If you don't want to sign better players, we will...
You generally can't just force an owner to sell his or her business because you don't like the way they run it.
@@bronxpinstripes cough cough Dan Snyder. :)
I was looking up mlb contraction a couple days ago-- the team they definitely wanted to eliminate: Montreal. Their owner (Jeffrey Lourie) was sick and tired (I guess) of his situation, he sold the Expos back to MLB and he was allowed to buy the Marlins.
Owners will do anything for one of their wanted brothers...
There are precedents for all of the three scenari you described: 1) when the Giants first moved to San Francisco, they played their home games at Seals Stadium, a minor league ballpark in 1958-9; 2) in the mid-1970's, the Yankees moved into Shea Stadium (home of the Mets) for two years while Yankee Stadium was being rebuilt, and 3) after the A's left Kansas City in 1967, the AL expanded back into KC two years later with the Royals.
As a Giants fan, I would love to have the A’s at Oracle because that just means more baseball at one of the best looking ballparks in the MLB!
Yeah, I'm going to a baseball park to swim, GTF ATTA HERE!!!!
You also forgot to factor in…
If they moved to the Las Vegas minor league stadium, they’d share it with their AAA minor league affiliate which would tear up their grass field conditions. Also all MLB teams have to play day games on days that teams have to immediately travel after the conclusion of a homestand or if a major event is happening in a city (concert, festival, conference, etc..). That means these day games in Las Vegas, players would be playing in 100+F or sometimes 110+F temps with no dome/roof & open air in the hot Sun. Add the fact that it’ll be field turf possibly if they share with their AAA team, make the field actually hotter than the air temperature. The MLBPA / union would not agree to those conditions for several years.
Also, I’m willing to bet there would be several potential owners of an expansion team in Oakland due to the fact the Bay Area is lined up with a lot of tech / Silicon Valley investors + wouldn’t have any issue potentially funding the Howard Terminal ballpark site as Oakland officials & A’s Ownership were less than $100 million gap in negotiations to fund the entire project before Fisher / A’s brass back out at the last minute & instead went to Las Vegas.
Joe Lacob owner of the NBA’s Warriors is still rumored to want to buy an MLB team. Nearly bought the A’s in the 2000s before purchasing the Warriors then.
The A’s are gone forever. Oakland is a dying city and no league in any sport will ever put an expansion team in that cesspool of a city.
Hopefully Arte Moreno will sell the Angels to Joe Lacob.
If the played in LV, that doesn't mean their AAA team stays there. The team could move somewhere else temporarily.
@@jahanas22 the AAA team could move to their older former ballpark (Cashman Field, I think). Or they could move to a small city that could build them a minor league ballpark.
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A funny ad popped up after watching this video “Ready for Vegas?”
The Giants hold events at Oracle Park while the Giants are on the road. And having the A's there full-time could tear up the grass/bring problems keeping the field in proper condition(the Giants have had issues in the past about this). Only way A's share Oracle is if MLB/Rob Manfraud forces the Giants to do so(or enough $$$$ is thrown at the Giants)
Tear up the grass? The A's are a baseball team just like the Giants are... Having events other than baseball tear up the grass far more than another baseball team would... Also it's close to Oakland and in a better area so the fans might come out more than they do for the coliseum, so that gets rid of your other events "point". MLB wouldn't give them more money if anything the Giants would have to give money cause they would be profiting by having two home teams...
@@crazylegs1823 and tell us you're willingly ignorant without telling us you're willingly ignorant. Oracle Park has had issues with the grass for years, and has to replace sod constantly. Another team playing there aggravates this problem. And again, the Giants hold other events because it makes $$$. The A's being there will have to make it work for the Giants financially. Facts, and facts don't care about your ill-formed opinions and wishful thinking.
@@crazylegs1823 "Also it's close to Oakland and in a better area..." I believe that goes without saying.
The grass is not an issue for two teams. It very well could work fine. The schedule would be the most challenging. But the Giants have in the past offered if the A's needed a temporary place to play. I believe when the Raiders were looking to build the A's needed a place to play and the Giants said they would consider letting them use AT&T. It not like having a shared building with a football team. If the Raiders and A's could share the Giants and A"s would not be an issue.
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Hey, Mark. Do you mind if your old buddy John Fisher moves in with you at Allegiant for a few years? Mark? Mark? Hello?
If they would decline the Vegas minor league stadium because it only seats 10k, I’m not sure how they are better off playing in Oakland where only 5k show up.
I can't see Oracle being a viable option last-minute. The location of the ballpark in SF means the city has to divert trains, bring in police to direct traffic, etc and with the Warriors also nearby I don't think an extra 81 A's games a year would be very practical or appealing just to get a portion of revenues from low-attendance events
What a nightmare. No new stadium until 2028 and no good alternatives until then. Thanks Fisher.
Las Vegas Ballpark will be hard. Triple A games are 6 game series, and the Aviators already said they would need additional clubhouses and artificial turf to make it work.
here's an outside the box idea, renovate sam boyd stadium until the new ballpark is built
I could only see the A's in SF if it was temporary, so if they were building a new stadium in Oakland and the A's needed somewhere to play for a couple years while it was built.
I know nothing is ever easy, but after the Raiders leaving Oakland (twice), I would love to see the city of Oakland tell the A's bye and we're not working any deals for you. Maybe the city would be better off trying to get a minor league team to have baseball in Oakland. I think San Francisco has become too big of a shadow to overcome.
A double A franchise seems about right.
Considering the A’s have more World Series - beat the giants in team series historically and even saved the giants when they were on their way to Tampa…. I can say your wrong…..
You have recency bias
@@GeraldM_inNC The California League is a Low A minor league, although with potential MLB expansion there could be more teams added to the AAA Pacific Coast League... The city would have to build a $100 million plus ballpark with seating capacity approaching 10 thousand for AAA or $50 million plus for a Low A ballpark with a seating capacity approaching 5 thousand... Since minor league teams do NOT control their player's rosters whatsoever, the MLB affiliate team does, Oakland should be happy with a Low A team...
That’s a no. And if the Raiders ain’t happy in 20 years due to crappy home field advantage, they’ll come right back home
@@michaelvaughn6145 With as nice as Allegiant is, I doubt the Raiders ever come back to Oakland. Maybe for an exhibition game or something for kicks but that's about it. Sorry man.
I hever thought of the A's compared to fish.......in a small tank to a bigger tanks.
There's always Chase Field in Phoenix, maybe.
I think Allegiant is definitely worth a look. It wouldn't be a shrine to baseball (it would probably look something like the old Exhibition Stadium in Toronto), but it solves three big problems (climate, seating capacity, scheduling) if it could somehow be used as a temporary stadium. I really don't think the Raiders would care as long as the stadium returns to normal on their game days.
Lol you don’t know mark Davis, what he’s said or how he feels about fisher and the A’s lol
There's bad blood between Davis and Fish head
Mark Davis and his Dad hates the A’s and John Fisher. They have publicly said it many times. This 100% won’t happen
Yeah, Mark Davis moved to Vegas largely because he was sick of the A's. The reasons DG gave for Allegiant not working as an A's home are valid, but above all else, Davis would sooner willingly get heat stroke than let the A's play in his venue.
@@sportsmaster1364 But, do the Raiders even have a say in this? They don't own the stadium. I think it would come down to the fine print in the lease agreement.
Even if the minor league stadium only holds 12-15,000, it’s more than the 5,000 that are showing up to Oakland. As for the Jaguars, would not be surprised if they end up in London.
Stick the Jags in the same division as the Falcons and let that rivalry develop.
No way in hell Manfred would allow a MLB to play in a Minor League stadium for that long.
A's averaging 10,568 fans, if they stay in coliseum they get to keep their standing/money in the 10th largest tv market. Tampa has worst stadium, many issues concerning playing in Vegas minor league park
In 1974 and 1975, Shea Stadium served as the home for both the Yankees and the Mets while Yankee Stadium was being renovated. So the idea of the A's and Giants sharing Oracle Park isn't crazy.
Also, the New York Giants and Jets also shared the stadium while Giants Stadium was built.
hell no wtf
Just have both the Giants and the A's share Pac-Bell Park permanantly!!!
Yes it is crazy. If it does somehow happen which I doubt, A's fans should go there and sabotage the home of the team that blocked their move to San Jose and paved the way for the A's to be driven out of the Bay Area.
1975 Giants, Jets, Yankees, Mets shared Shea Stadium for one season. Imagine the SF Giants, A’s, Raiders and Niners sharing Candlestick Park for one season
The problem is… in today’s market.. there is nothing wrong with the stadium itself… fans are NOT coming to see a stadium… They are there to see a PROFESSIONAL baseball team… and right now…. the fans are not coming.. NOT because of the stadium… but because the A’s are not fielding an MLB team. The city of Oakland is no longer giving into the pro-sports blackmail. The A’s will suck no matter what city or stadium they play in and they are no longer willing to drop $1B+ subsidy on a pro-sports franchise. I know you complain about their stadium… but the reality is this.. when a pro-sports team needs a stadium with ton’s of amenities to compete…. that means… THEY SUCK…. I think Tampa needs a park more… first… They are winners… Second.. The lighting at that toilet makes it difficult to play the games in… that actually affects game play… third… horrid location… Oakland… they fail at one… second they are open air and lighting is not an issue… and third.. the fans have proven that you field a winner.. and they will come… amenities or not. Go Oakland. I hate pro-sports franchises that play this perpetual blackmail against their fans… the very people who pay ticket prices and comes to the games…
I'd say they're either playing in SF or in LV for the few years before the stadium opens. MLB is not giving Oakland an expansion team. I don't see the A's owners staying for those years.
“A swimming pool” LOL
playing outside in Vegas in the summer?
Glad the Las Vegas situation is becoming a headache, greedy ass owner needs to pay for a new stadium in Oakland
The Oakland Coliseum needs an LED scoreboard that MUST take over all of the Mount Davis seating chart for the 2024 season. It would still be the worst stadium in Major League Baseball, but the fans would LOVE the new LED scoreboard and the top part of the outfield would look MUCH better, even if it is still the worst stadium in baseball. The attendance would drastically increase due to the LED scoreboard being put in Mount Davis.
what I do not get and what I saw of your video you did not mention , the Oakland Athletics own 50 percent of the Coliseum and the parking , so I dont get how much control they have over anything
Ownership is the problem city politicians don’t help the cause but ownership is too cheap to build
Why bother extending the seating capacity at the Vegas ballpark when the A's attendance in Oakland is less than that?
As a European its wild that teams are allowed just get up and move try that with a European football ( soccer) team and your house would be burnt down
10,000 attendance is double or triple current A’s announced crowd. Move now & negotiate a buy with Oakland. Start in Vegas in ‘24
The Yankees played at at Shea Stadium during the 1974 and 1975 seasons while Yankee Stadium was being renovated.
Never underestimate John Fiahers ineptitude.
Mark Davis hates Fisher so fucking much, he would never go along with that.
It will be a bust in Las Vegas too. Hot to sit out there in the middle of summer 81. Give them 5 years before they move.
Good job mayor. They will leave for sure with those ridiculous terms. And for that dumpy place? Let the rats take over 100%
Las Vegas needs to get itself a team of their own. To pick off another Oakland team seems wrong and Las Vegas is an artificial market that has yet to be proven as a stable market for baseball with that brutal heat. Once the water and gambling money runs low that market will be losing people in droves. If I’m Las Vegas, I’d think hard about committing to another public funding of a luxury playhouse for a rich man’s team. Especially when you still are paying off the bonds for your Arena and Football stadium. The state of Nevada ranks near the bottom for health, education,and they got a homeless problem. Think those need to be addressed then trying to build another billion dollar stadium.
All of the big leagues want to get in the Las Vegas market. NBA will be next; or some think the NBA will actually get here before the A's.
I don't think the Giants would be willing to share Oracle Park with the A's when you factor in the additional wear and tear on the facilities and the field.
They would never even consider it.
They said A’s could share with them
The A 's name and history belongs to Oakland.....signed KC and Philly
Giants have BA to themselves with A's out of town. So I could see them taking A's to make sure no expansion team is in Oak. with Mayor's idea. They can ramp up the rent too. May have pressure from MLB to do that too.
The whole situation is a mess. How about, converting Sam Boyd Stadium into a baseball facility? Why don't you look at conversion projects well football stadiums were converted into football.
So wait They're building a new stadium in Oakland. The eggs are not staying there, why?
If memory serves me right, the only reason that Fischer wants to remain at the Coliseum for the next three years is that he loses his half ownership interest in the Coliseum if he doesn't. It was due to some complicated clause in the contract. He would forfeit all his past payments towards co-ownership, something like that. MLB ought to order Fischer to move out of Oakland now or they won't approve the Las Vegas relo at all.
If the A's leave before 2026, they must pay the amount they still owe on their 50% in full which would be 45 million after this season.
@@Julian_Wallis Yes, thank you, that's it. If they fail to pay the $45 mil, do they lose their 50 percent share including no refund of the previous payments? I think so. Fischer would be a fool to remain in Oakland just so as not to have wasted his previous payments: a basic rule of life and business is "you don't throw good money after bad." It just isn't worth staying three more years just to get a 50 percent interest in the Coliseum. Manfred ought to give him an ultimatum: commit to leaving Oakland this spring.or MLB will reject the move to LV.
Why not move to allegiant stadium? I know it’s not ideal but at least they can try to make up make up for the lack of attendance
A move that could happen is moving to the Arco park and get it completed. May not happen but just something to point out
You mean the unfinished lake in the middle of North Natomas where the old Sleep Train Arena was? No, that will never happen. IF the A's came to Sacramento then they would play at Sutter Health Park in West Sac.
Fisher and company at their finest
Actually the minor league pack in Vegas is far below MLB standards. Needs new lights and the players association will never approve all those outside games in Vegas.
Two baseball teams using the same stadium is not new. As far as I know both the A’s and the Phillies shared the old ballpark in north Philadelphia for years. That may be why they left Philadelphia so many years ago.
I also wouldn’t want to host them if I were a giants fan. That’ll tear the shit out of the field. That could mean injuries for MY team
10000 fans a night in a nice minor league bark is way better than what they're doing in Oakland so what the heck , move now. it's an improvement.
Mark Davis hates John Fisher so the A’s will NEVER play in Allegiant Stadium as long as Al Davis’ son owns the team.
The Raiders and A’s hate each other they’re both from Oakland and shared the Oakland coliseum they will never share a stadium again
They should come out to Scottsdale and play at talking stick
Oakland taking advantage? Seems like A’s should have had a plan in place before being stupid.
MLB should really try to keep the A's in Oaktown.. This franchise has already moved around so much... Las Vegas will get a team eventually even if A's dont go...
Horrible situation of the A's no matter which side you see it, a shame being such a historic franchise.
The current A’s owner sucks. Sell the team
This is a true mess and there doesn't seem to be a clear and geeat path forward. You do kinda wonder though, with the Raiders and Warriors departed, have Oakland just threw their hands up and gave up on sports altogether. I'd probably say best bet for A's is go to Vegas and work a deal with the Raiders for those few years.
At this point, this is the only way Oakland still has a team:
1. Move the current franchise to Vegas after 2024. Leave all the brand and records in Oakland
2. Tear down the Coliseum as soon as they leave and put the new stadium on its site.
3. MLB expands into Oakland in 2027. If the new stadium is not ready, have them play in Sacramento for a year or two, that way you don't have to worry about the Giants. Maybe play a couple home series at Oracle while the Giants are on the road (or even any games against the Giants). Sac's stadium has a 14k capacity all in btw
You could also build at HT which actually isn’t as bad of location as people think being on the waterfront and close to the 880, but yes.
However, I will say playing at Sacramento probably isn’t viable in the eyes of the MLB. You also have to consider the Las Vegas A(ces) and Giants being immediate no votes.
Giants won't allow it. Giants consider sactown as their territory and their AAA affiliate is there. They use to be the A's AAA affiliate until the owner died and his daughter aligned with the Giants.
No way in hell the players will go for this
It completely blows my mind that the league has not even forced John Fisher to sell the team. Just tells you how deficient MLB is, as a whole. Call me naive but I thought the Oakland Raiders leaving for Las Vegas was bad......
The 'Raiders' took their name with them. WHY NOT THE A's?
i hear they maybe stadiums in las vegas then second half play sf
I love that the As got effed in the lottery. That was set up to discourage complete tank jobs like this sh1t show.
They move to that minor league stadium for a season they still will have more fans show up then Oakland. 5,000 fans shows up for A’s games I bet they can get 8,000 every night
The A"s are moving to Las Vegas Oakland gets nothing
No sympathy for Fisher, he did this to himself.
Average attendance for the A's in Oakland this year has been 8,500. There is no advantage to the A's staying in Oakland until the Las Vegas new stadium is built. Better to move to the Las Vegas minor league park which is a much better stadium. The Oakland mayor is asking for too much.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t know why the attendance is low…. Please do some research on how the A’s haven’t kept key players or Spent money on a player since Eric Chavez in 2004…. That was their last big contract……
It’s incredible how people simp for fisher without knowing the situation
@@stefanbrown5872 True baseball fans support their teams win or lose. Owners, management, and players come and go, teams shouldn't... If you only support winners, and teams whose owners outspend the other owners, well, you are a fair weather fan, not a true fan...Presently there are 30 MLB teams to enjoy, not just one...
@@ronclark9724 all true what you say.
@@ronclark9724This ain't "win or lose". It would be different if ownership was making SOME attempt to be competitive. This is flat out SABOTAGE by Fisher, and everyone knows it.
For those wondering, the Las Vegas Ball Park is on the west side of Vegas, and a good 10 miles (30 minutes) from the strip
The A's (legally) own half the Coliseum site now. They bought Alameda County's half. So they will sue the city for the rights to play at the stadium for 3 years or be paid to sell their part...
Plus when Oakland and Alameda County both owned the Coliseum, they refuse to maintain and modernize it.
Take a look at Angels Stadium, it is the same age as the Coliseum but the City Of Anaheim maintain it and modernized it.
@@IkilledColMustard When the Rams left Anaheim, Disney (who I believed owned part or all of the Angels) and the city of Anaheim came together and decided to redo the outfield in a baseball-only manner.
Oakland modernized the Coliseum in the mid 90s by building a huge NFL sideline grandstand five years after sports started shifting away from multi-use stadiums.
Who wants to play in that coliseum? It is so outdated.
Heck no! I’ve said this before I will say this again. No way in hell Oakland gets an expansion team. Sports is dead in the city and we all knew this when the raiders left. Rob Manfred is not going to give Oakland an expansion and the A’s are leaving 100% sorry Oakland fans, sad but true.
Have you spoke to them? Nobody really knows what they are thinking in private.
I understand that Oakland fans are upset right now knowing they’re going to loose their team but speaking from a MLB perspective I just don’t see Oakland getting an expansion team. Besides who would flip the bill to build a new stadium, who would own the team the city? There is no one pitching in to get another team into the city. A lot of people talk about giving San Antonio, Montreal or Austin but neglect to realize that to have a team a city needs someone to own and pay for it. That’s why Oakland is unlikely to get an expansion team and at this point it’s just too late to keep the A’s in the city, sad but true
@@deanwille8130
He does not need to.
Applying critical thinking confirms the trend in Oakland. They lost the Warriors. They lost the Raiders, hence unable to secure any stadium deal whatsoever to retain either team, now the A's are apparently leaving because of the same issue.
For MLB to grant Oakland a new team, a new baseball stadium would have to be secured as a certainty.
For a media market that's ranked roughly 10th in the country, that has proven to be very elusive.
Down the line it could happen...maybe...but right now, I don't see it happening for that city. MLB expansion news has not been remotely focused on California.
@@moonytheloony6516 Oakland has to build a new stadium to get a team no doubt. It’s MLB fault for not opening San Jose for A’s
@@deanwille8130
San Jose?
Why not Oakland?
If you ever think the league or your government cares about your community, let this situation be a testament
The Oakland city government cares a great deal about the community. The mayor has been fighting hard to keep the A's.
@@jeremyd1869 That's my argument. Stadiums have nothing to do with government. No tax money should be going towards it. Mlb is just needs to lower their standards to the level that their fans pay out.
Zero chance the Raiders do a deal to help the A's out without it being an even steeper deal than the Giants and the city of Oakland have or would have. Davis hates the A's front office....with a passion. Doubt they could get the MLBPA to buy off on them playing at the Aviators ballpark for 3 seasons. But the 3 sites the A's say they've identified as a post 2024 home include Summerlin and Oracle. And that those are part of the choices is pretty indicative of how ill planned this jaunt to Vegas has been. If the Coli were an option at all a competent front office could have milked an extension b4 going scorched earth since they would need an extension on the lease regardless if they stayed or left. But we ain't dealing with thoughtful competence with Fisher and Kaval. They never had a plan for where they would play once they left Oakland until I'm suspecting MLB told them they ain't playing 3 yrs in an undomed minor league ballpark in triple digit temps. Cuz the Aviators park had seemingly been their main plan for a temp home.
Sorry, but I just can’t see a MLB team playing in a stadium that seats only 10k.
Move back to Philadelphia at this point
Your title is not at all accurate. The situation is not getting worse, or getting murkier by the day. Just more noise from a desperate Oakland mayor.
Options for the transition years including either an AAA stadium, or another MLB stadium somewhere in the west, preferably out of the Bay Area and California. AZ may be the best bet.
MLB will demand a fair competition with Portland, Salt Lake, and maybe Austin. There is no way those cities would get cut out to guarantee Oakland. Makes no sense, and no sense for the name to stay with a city without a team.
This is why the A's should stay in Oakland, and if you are going to put a team in Vegas put an expansion team. This situation is a disaster, an absolute embarrassment. 💯 no doubt
Well either way the A’s are probably getting sued by Oakland
If the Athletics leave, get rid of that nose-bleed park with an upper deck no one can sit in, and build a new, retro 45,000 seat park that has a Spanish-Mission style befitting California's history- take a team name from Pacific Coast League history ( like the Oakland Oaks ) and apply it to the new expansion team.
Expansion team? For an impoverished crime ridden city with a boarded up downtown and miles and miles of homeless encampments and a Trotskyite mayor and city council?
@@GeraldM_inNCsounds like Philly and Chicago.
You can’t play baseball in the desert without a dome
Kids do everyday and evening... Why not adults? Are adults too soft?
all this talk about the coliseum being such a horrific stadium, personally i don't see it ? it looks fine to me. so what if it's over 50 years old. the coliseum in rome is 5000 years old; and people love it. just because fans aren't buying tickets to see the As play isn't the stadium's fault. it's the un loyal fans...
Oakland just isn't a major league sized city anymore. And leaving the A's history in Oakland is dumb considering they were in Philly and KC first.
For real, right? Even though the A's have been in Oakland for over 50 years, the A's franchise isn't born and bred in Oakland.
Yeah, if/when the A's leave, Oakland might be out of the pro sports business. People keep talking about how Oakland might get a WNBA team, but even then, I would assume the WNBA team would rather play at the Warriors new home Chase Center in San Francisco, over the Warriors old home Oracle Arena in Oakland. The San Jose Arena may be a better option for the WNBA team as well.
She won't get that, not with those demands. That will only eliminate Oak. as an option.
Imagine a city attempting to EXTORT MLB... The MLB prefer extorting cities... The truth is fans enjoy attending games in a nice clean wonderful stadium venue, not a dirty old horrible obsolete stadium... And fans are willing to pay more taxes for a nice stadium as they are they ones using and enjoying them...