Irene's story of coming out of functional freeze with Seth Lyon
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- Опубликовано: 1 июл 2023
- In this NEW vlog, my husband Seth interviews me about my personal experience coming out of functional freeze. We get into the medical, chemical, and shock traumas that initially propelled my system into this survival physiology and how those fight/flight energies eventually bubbled up and out of my system.
Resources to complement this vlog:
► Functional Freeze Explained
• Functional Freeze Expl...
► Joe Rogan On The SHOCKING Congo Cobalt Mines
• Joe Rogan On The SHOCK...
► The Joe Rogan Experience Podcast - Episode 1914 | Siddharth Kara
Siddharth Kara is the author of "Cobalt Red: How the Blood of the Congo Powers Our Lives"
open.spotify.com/episode/3ZBd...
► Irene Lyon Website
irenelyon.com/
► 21 Day Nervous System Tune-Up
21daytuneup.com/
► SmartBody SmartMind (SBSM)
smartbodysmartmind.com/
► Dr. Peter Levine
www.somaticexperiencing.com/
► Kathy Kain
somaticpractice.net/
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I am so grateful for people who put this information out for we who suffer from similar trauma. I have a history of dysfunction and addiction because of early trauma's. I believed from as early as I can remember that I was just weird and not good at ANYTHING, a loser who wasn't going to ever amount to much. At 63 I sought real recovery as opposed to just sobriety. 5 yrs later I am feeling some true healing and relief, thanks to help from some amazing people. My feet are on the ground, my body is more 'mine', my head is no longer my enemy. So my point is that it is NEVER too late, it is possible to feel better. Hard work takes all my courage sometimes, it isn't easy, but it is possible. Especially with help from intelligent, knowledgeable ones who have walked the same trail. Thank you
I'm the same Becky. I'll be 63 in a couple of months.
Becky our life stories are very similar. Im in my 40's and your comment made me cry with hope! Genuinely. Im so tired of not feeling good in my own body & mind. You give me so much hope. 💗
I get it Becky and I’m 70! Never ever too late. Like Ms Lyon says, still things to integrate process release but feeling so much more my authentic self. ❤️ best to all of us
WOW WOW your story is mine. I just started hearing about this and it sounds like me .
Frozen freezers look 'composed'. This is liberating. Thank you!
"And then you have to be okay being really frigin' uncomfortable for awhile" - This is so lovely to listen and be reminded this is ok as I am lying on my floor massaging my incredibly achy hips that are really going through it right now! 🙏🏻🥰
Good Work!!😁
I am shaking & my stomach muscles are shivering like I'm freezing. I'm only about 15 minutes in & it's like you've described so much of my childhood on our farm. As the oldest, chores were lonely, overwhelming & even often painful. Shocks, blows, injuries, chemicals, immense physical strain & exposure to dangerous equipment, tools, heights, animals etc were all just part of day to day existence. Add in physical punishments & parents that were fully overwhelmed & often absent entirely & you've nailed so much of what I have been feeling in my core & only glimpsed during meditation & internal work. I'm utterly floored. I've worn those challenges as a badge of honor & not for the trauma it actually was to my young mind & undeveloped body & brain. Which has translated into unhealthy relationships, addictions, angry reaction, an inability to focus & to much more that just dropped into clarity for me.
Thank you so much for this. I felt another avenue open on my journey of healing. Like a signpost lit up in my mind as to where to go from here. So much gratitude & love for this. Just what I was needing to move from the plateau I've found myself on. 🙏🏻💖
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🙏🏻Keep Healing! 💛🔆🕊🍃
@@janiecepoush1904YES! Keep on healing!! 🥰🥰🥰💞💞💞🧚♂️🧚♂️🧚♂️
The same shaking happens to me and its always the stomach muscles too. Are you doing TRE or the spontaneous shaking that happens on its own? Also how are you doing nowadays?
@sirprize5191 growth has become exponential the more I heal. I'm finding that letting go of all resistance is key! Judgements (in & out) are the most revealing, while self acceptance is the momentum to keep it moving! Thanks so much & immense love to you & yours! 🙏🏻 💖🦋
It’s so interesting to hear about how when you met the right person who you felt safe with, your body started to release more. I always want to hear more about this topic. Like how to find connection like that when I’m single , or don’t have a large community.
Yes absolutely! The interpersonal and relational experiences (family, partnership, colleagues, children) while you are healing at the nervous system level. It can be a bit lonesome! And there can be a space in-between us and others because...well, nervous system healing is a language. How do we engage with those close to us who don't speak the language or who show no interest? Knowing that we are navigating more energetic, NS and somatic mastery and they may not be? While our nervous system states would have been different for most of our relationships to those people?
Would love a video on this Team Lyon!
Oh yes please. Usually it’s just casually mentioned at the end DROPPED real quick like there aren’t millions out here with literally NOone but maybe a cute faithful Dog or Animal
@@travelerchikkThat's me, too. . Been doing rhe work solo for 3.5 years- Well, all ny life with Narc father, alchy/enabling but narcissistic mother, Narc ex-husband, Narc ex-friends. Like so many of us, everything caved in, for me in 2020. 4 years later I am 58 and very happy. Finally
. I am entranced by my feline family and believe they are my Therapy. Feline Therapy😁. Along with the many fabulous teachers on You Tube This has been my homebound clinic/monastery and it's worked really well. But I don't know, yet, how I'll ever meet a new friend, ever again. Which is actually not a terribly terrible proslect, but I also have understand that healing won't be completely complete until I am comfortable being the New Me among other humans...hmmm
My daughter was born 10 weeks early. I believe that this might be the reason why her body would freeze in sleep when I had to move her in bed or something. Her whole body felt tight, like wood. And her fist was clenched. I felt like I was in a horror movie that did not end. I gave her a massage every single night. She is 8 today and her body did relax. Thank god. It is such a wonder to me how resilient we are...
Thank you for being vulnerable Irene.
The way I see it is that we all make a lifes plan with our soul groups, guids... prior to birth and that it is only logical for more advanced souls who lived manny lives to agree to live a more challenging life with Trauma in Order to evolve more faster, as this what we come here for to this dence plannate. Only here can we feel emotions and exsperience growth through forgiveness. If we all learn to be more comapionate towards ourselves and empathise with everyone we come in contact with, we will heal the Trauma and stop the Karmacicle of planate earth for good.❤️
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What a cringe thing to say !
Whew! The moment when you said, “I was still talking like this so how could Peter have known, something in the opened up?” I always tell people that it’s so hard to describe what’s actually going on inside of me, and I always seem so composed to most people, so they believe that I’m doing OK. Thank you so much for this.
I usually never comment on RUclips videos, but this was one of the best I've listened to. Thank you for sharing so openly.
This explains so much. I spent 10 years fainting at work. I finally switched from a super high stress pharmacy to regular high stress pharmacy and have not fainted since. Never understood that. Now 5 years later no fainting just no ambition to do anything but the bare basics and procrastinating on every aspect of life
Hello, Sophia from Team Lyon here. Thank you for your share and sorry to hear you're navigating a challenging situation. You may find Irene's free resources insightful and informative. There is one specifically for procrastination and all of them are housed under this link: irenelyon.com/free-resources/ Feel free to reach out to our support inbox for any questions.
I've watched the whole interview in 2 'sessions'.
It makes me humble to hear about your stories Irene.
At one hand it scares me to hear that you are still getting this heavy symptoms sometimes, where stored survival stress is being released. ("will it ever end?")
And at the other hand it gives me hope and faith that it is possible to heal on such a deep level and that it's OK that it takes time.
I will probably watch the last half-hour again, because there's a lot being said there that touched me.
Thank you both for being so vulnerable in sharing many personal details. You are so lucky to have found each other and having support on such a deep level. Sometimes I feel a little lonely with my healing proces, in my relationship.
I will continue my journey and feel lucky that I have found you!
Love,
Savannah 😘
The Netherlands 🇳🇱
Agree!
It’s wild to know that we were all once inside the body of our grandmother and have a central nervous system and dna imprint directly from both of them.
Yes!! Love this! Theory and qa's are great but nothing compares to personal stories that go into great detail and vulnerability and what can come up. The work can be so alienating and this is a beacon!
I also ski-raced as a teenager, did horse riding before that, and then got into ski mountaineering and rock climbing in my 20s (in Whistler and Squamish). I did stuff where a mistake wasn't an option. Yeah, I was functionally frozen and you're right that you can't do these sports without being frozen. Every time I see a good osteopath or bodyworker, they can tell that I had big accidents in the past. When they ask if I had any accidents, I can't even tell which fall that could've been. I had so many. One resulted in an ACL surgery. I may have some stuff left to process there too.
Thank you both so much for this interview.
Having been working with the 21 day program for several months now, hearing your story and how you have truly Lived and experienced what you teach in your programs has been such a gift. It’s greatly increased my trust in you Irene, and the work you teach. And that I’m on the right path to healing.
Cathy would be so excited to work with me, as there are a lot of skin issues to be seen.
I’ve been covered head to toe in severe psoriasis periodically, all the different kinds, most of my life. I’m 29. I can tell you, the people, Irene’s stuff WORKS!
There’s so much work to be done but I’ve already noticed big shifts in how well my body handles the flares and I feel much more in control of what once has often felt like a painfully hopeless situation. Hearing you say you understand how people can die from skin conditions was, admittedly, nice to hear. Even those close to me I don’t think truly know how bad the experience can get. I appreciate the vulnerability to share your story.
Thank you for your craft and your bravery to put this into the world in such an accessible way. And for giving me hope of again going into remission as I did once before.
Thank you Irene and Seth for this interview. ❤
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This journey is a hard onr for me. Stuck in freeze and unable to get into flow due to anxiety. Trying the 21 day nervous system but finding it takes alot of practice and I am going against what my body wants. Gives me more anxiety. Feeling stuck and tangled.
@fifiearthwanderer, it can be challenging for sure as you're starting this work. Since you mentioned that you're in the 21 Day Nervous System Tune Up, I encourage you to share about your experience there where the team can offer support and offer some suggestions that may be helpful. If you have any questions about how to do this, you're welcome to contact support@irenelyon.com. Hope to see you in there.
Titrate, titrate, titrate. In the beginning, it’s about TLC and letting your body know that you’re taken by care of it now. Don’t be afraid to go slow.
@@LilMsLoreleiwhat is TLC?
@@FlowerUruguay tender loving care.
@@LilMsLorelei thank you 🩵
Brilliant interview. Thank you Irene and Seth. So many things you talk about here, you experience resonates with me. When you spoke about chemical trauma i felt a clear reaction in me and i will “feel and go into it” . I love your work since i did sbsm and the 21 days programs. Your work changed my life and still is. On going project really that is no longer a scary journey but more an enquiry with ups and downs. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Thankyou Irene for sharing some of your life experiences and trauma.
I am 59 years old and trying to help heal myself from very traumated and life changing experiences.
I was advised to have ECT treatment after the birth of my beautiful child in 1989,due to post nated depression.
The impact of this has deeply damaged and erased my true self on both a physical and emotional level which I am still trying to heal over 30 years later.
I'm the voice of many who have experienced this debilitating impact.
Any guidance would be warmly welcomed.
Kind wishes,
Love & light...Judy
Chemical trauma is now affecting most North Americans due to chemical overload in the water, food, air, clothing, personal care, vehicle pollution, toxic soft and hard drinks, pharmaceuticals, the list is ongoing.
what you’re talking about at around 1:08:53 really hit me. my family has friends that own a farm and i’ve never seen kids being raised like theirs here in the city, where i grew up. they take their kids with them to the forest, they’re helping feed the cows and are very connected to nature. so many people are forgetting that nature is literally the most natural thing there is, and it’s NOT that dangerous.
(and thank you for helping me re-learn all this)
Ive been doing SBSM for 2,5 years and noticing since half a year how I'm really "defrosting ". It feels like becoming a new person. The whole journey is truly fascinanting (and hard). And the question that keeps popping up on and on is... How are your lifes now that you are not living in functional freeze? How are you both as persons living a life now in compare to some years ago? Not so much from the perspective of health, but more from a relational, practical perspective. My life has felt always "hard" and "heavy", and Ive struggled so much to get what I want/I was incapable of getting it (such as having a really healthy/fulfilling romantic relationship)/or I didnt even know what I wanted. And I'd love to hear how has been your experience with this, how you may have changed from "surviving" to "lightness", to "thriving", to a life being more easy and living more in the flow. I'm so curious about this. Thanks!
I find this to be very enlightening. I know I had a “rough” upbringing, but nothing like severe abuse. My father had it worse, but I still struggle a lot. I have often wondered how people with technically “healthy” upbringings take on trauma and how that experience is for them. Thank you for sharing.
Me, too!
When I first heard the word "epigenetics" and started learning about that, it really made a difference. My father was a kid during WWII and experienced bombings, strafing fire, etc. He didn't talk about it much but I think his genetics passed that information/horror/fright on to his children.
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incredibly important and powerful information.
Be careful, never underestimate the power of suggestion. In the same way that the seen can’t be unseen, it’s definitely applicable to knowing, even if it’s only remotely possible for an individual you can manifest it, around 1:21 they touch on it.
Ever wonder why the seemingly oblivious do better than their educated counterparts, they don’t get caught up in the what if’s.
Especially relevant for individuals practicing in this space.
Wow, Irene, what you shared about your system letting it all hang out upon meeting Seth really resonates with me. I've never heard anyone express such a similar experience to my own. Not long after meeting my future husband I went into what we refer to as the "big sleep". I don't even remember suffering fatigue beforehand but, for 3+ weeks, I slept for hours each day and all throughout the whole night (or at least the vast majority of the night! 😂) It was such an unexpected and extreme physical response and, one that happened without any cognitive decision making. I often wonder what would have happened if we hadn't met and I'd continued without the solace it afforded.
Incredibly good to listen to. I'm close to this line of work, I am that bodyworker who works with movement, touch on all levels, or no touch if that is called for, listening to the body. Basically because this is what I had to do for myself to not kill myself. I tick a lot of boxes here with extreme physical strain, athletic background, 10 years of martial arts practice together with religious trauma, eds, dozens of dislocations through high impact, sedated at the hospital every 6 months for 5 years as a child for intestine polyp, and my brothers being born too early with both severe neurodivergence and physical needs, running away from family when I was 12. After that survival, fawning, abuse, rapes... I have had such extreme physical reactions every plateau of the way. I'm 36 and I'm slowly getting to a point where I trust myself to be capable for real and really notice my subtle needs and boundaries. Soon I hope to be able to commit on a deep level to taking part of society so that I earn more money. This distrust of society, and the experience of abuse that comes up every time I lean in to it more is a lot to be with. I remember that episode about money and Seth's story. Thank you both for what you bring. Before this work existed all I could really become was a criminal or suicide by extreme sports or drug overdose story.
Bless you for all that you have survived. I hope you develop beautiful self trust, healing and safety in your body and life
This video just popped up and I am already grateful without watching it.
I am going to watch it with curiosity!
Thank you 🙏🏼
Love from the Netherlands,
Savannah 😘
This was life changing to hear. I wept and took notes. Thank you.
Thank you for your help.i couldn't understand why symptoms come back for no apparent reason, now I get it.... I'm happy for you that you have each other ❤
I experienced three weeks of excruciating pa8n from the release of a past life trauma, so this stuff goes as deep as we want. We are not sick, we are healing and alchemizing.
With the caregiver/teachers.... there's protocol they have to contend with because unhealed parents can freak out and that can influence the licensing & funding for certain organizations. Our culture has been programmed for pain - from scared & unhealed parents, lawyers, insurance companies & medical scirnce teaching us to not take responsibility for processing❤️♾️❤️ This has been comforting, educational, & hopeful hearing this discussion! Thank you❤️♾️❤️
Listening to both your stories causes a deep compassion for humanity. Thank you for having taken on to tell your stories, invaluable.
I’m new and I want to thank you for sharing this story Irene.
Thank you for talking about these issues and shedding light. ❤ So happy to have found your channel
I would never think of these things as part of my trauma. When I was a child, I had a few physical accidents leading to significant injury. I had to "walk it off" but I healed quickly and learned to be more careful with certain activities. The memories I believe that may have caused my freeze was the extreme physical abuse that almost led to death a couple of times in my young adulthood, and long term stalking by an ex-partner, I'm not sure now. Thanks for sharing this story.
Thank you, Irene & Seth! This conversation is a gold mine in so many different ways. Thanks for sharing openly and realistically around what this work takes, means and morphs into.
As one of your SBSM alumni, I can attest to so much of what you talk about. From all sorts of sensations and releases/renegotiations through elevated levels of temporary pains & physical/emotional/mental discomforts to growing curiosity, trust & patience around all of those experiences. I'm also fascinated with the self-touch and self-healing through touch that started coming online for me through this work, among other things. Sometimes it's the system knowing where and how to put the hands so that something opens up or the opposite, quiets down, sometimes it's almost like doing some sort of reflexology on myself with my fingers pressing on different points of the body, sometimes TEB-type of touch happens even through sleep @_@
There are so many crazy and mind-blowing experiences that keep on showing me the true depth and width of the body's wisdom, and they do come with a lot of intensity, pain, discomfort and/or distress at times. It's reassuring to hear that it's just the way it goes not only in theory but from both of your personal experiences as well.
so amazing and inspiring to hear your story. knowing that you were/are struggling and just as fucked up as the rest of us makes you so much more relatable and human instead of the typical “healer on a pedestal.” gives me hope for my healing journey. thank you 🙏
I have so many things going on in my body right now. I'm sitting in a room with a temperature of 77 F and 25 C. I'm bloated, the joints in my hands are hurting (yes, of course, I'm typing), I'm sweating profusely, and then I'm cold and need a fluffy blanket. I fold in on myself. And above all, I am so relieved to hear that all this is normal! Your work has changed my life. I have been doing the work and helping others for decades, and my work is so much more effective based on the nervous system regulation framework. I have more joy, more energy, better relationships, and provide more results to my clients. AND I feel pain more both emotional and physical. I'm gushing; I know, I'm just such a fan.
Wonderful you are both so comforting! Have had so many symptoms and now know it is my body speaking to me! It takes the fear away xxx❤❤❤
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT EXCELLENT! This was amazing! Thank you for your honesty and vulnerability! I have already watched this twice, it was THAT good. Made me feel less alone in my own struggles.
Thank you both! I appreciate the transparency & candidness of this talk. I learned a lot, especially about force vectors. I've been doing some really good healing work lately, and noticing new aches & pains come & go. Now I understand it better. Thanks!
Thank you both, you really work well together :) It's helpful to hear your experiences (and others in the SBSM community) during different phases of healing & regulation. The work you are sharing is SO IMPORTANT!!! and serious gratitude for the container you've created.
❤❤ thank you both so much!!!
thank you so much Irene for this. i am definitely going to titrate this in chunks, and journal about this (journalling is one of my nervous system regulation tools that work for me so far)
Thank you for this. it was so good to hear both of your experiences. Very grateful!
Hello from the Philippines (: Been listening to your enlightening videos and delighted to know your mom is from this part of the world!
Thanks for this talk. It made me feel less alone in my experience of healing. I could feel the vectors releasing a couple of years ago and the energy discharging and then following my bodies impulses to self correct with movement after the vector release was amazing. Interesting to have language for it. I also liked that you mentioned use of touch. I rub my heart, forehead, chest and legs and it's all lead by intuition. It's like loving myself in a way that I've always needed and never have gotten until now.
I sent this talk to me mom so she can understand my process more. Thank you so much for making this available.
I love that you guys did this. Seth is a great interviewer!
I can't thank you enough, Irene, for sharing your traumas and healing. I appreciate your arduous journey. There are some huge insights here and I'm going to share your work with my friends and family...."everybody" needs it.
So good to listen to this. I've been in functional freeze for almost all my life until I started to do some body work. What you are explaining in the video about your skin rashes I used to have a lot when I was a child. Then in my 20th and 30th. I've done a lot of detoxing but found a deeper shift when I started nervous system work.
This BEAUTIFUL talk just put my mind at ease about the rashes and strange kind of stuff that oozes out of my head etc. I am just extruding STUFF, solo. Been to 5 drs about this head and shoulders thing and not one has known what they were looking at and looked at ME like I was LOONEY when I connected it to the Trauma I've sustained. I KNEW. So, I'm good.
This was awesome. And exactly what I've been experiencing.
Thank you for sharing your story and your experiences, As an example, it makes it much easier to understand what you are saying.... Apart from the healing journeys we might be on... each one in his or her own way... what you say at the very end is paramount for me, that we should be more connected to our bodies and emotions, and also more to nature... so that it becomes natural again to listen to what they might tell/show us... and also listen to our intuition. Knowing how we can come back to ourselves again and again, especially when there is a "crisis" is crucial in these times... Thank you for your conversation, I have really enjoyed and learned from it!
I just want to tell you, I am so glad that you exist! What a gift you are to people, struggling with trauma being stuck in their body!!❤
This has been so informative and affirming what I have been sensing with my own body. Thank you so much for providing the information of what's available for us all and being open to share your healing process 🙏 inspired to look into your work more
Thank you both for such a wonderful interview. It was a lot so I watched it in 3 chunks, but worth it completely as always! Irene it was incredibly valuable to hear your personal context and how your healing journey has unfolded. Very insightful in a different way ✨ and Seth to hear your context further as well was insightful too! This stuff really is the new frontier (although we're just returning to our body's nature and learning to let it's to its wise thang lol) - so it's amazing to be assured through story and education the degree to which we can feel into the discomfort as part of healing at the deepest level. Its inspiring!! We're all human and it presents challenge no doubt, but I love how much this is deepening our self trust and bodily mastery. It is so possible. Loving the 21NSTU at the mo and I hope to join SBSM in 2024!
Thank you both, and all the insightful folks in the comments too. :-)
Thank you Irene and Seth! Brilliant and fascinating interview. Thanks for your vulnerability, Irene!
Thank you for your work! And for making the connection to children and avoiding discomfort, so important right now! I am just getting into somatic experiencing this year for myself and my clients, your work is groundbreaking! Just discovering I have been in a functional freeze state as I work with a somatic therapist.
Thank you for sharing. Such a great interview. Good to know the bizarre symptoms I have is normal when you're healing trauma.
This was intense but very interesting! Thank you Irene for sharing your story 🙏
I know you have interviewed Seth on several occasions about his journey. A similar interview with him would be very interesting: what things *he* did to work on his trauma and what things popped up for him during that journey.
When you talked about symptoms suddenly coming up or getting worse it reminded of other natural healing modalities that can trigger an energy deep down that then comes up to the surface to come out and be released. All these traumas, even those that may seem minor, leave energetic traces in the body that need to be released.
Regarding chemical trauma, I'm also thinking of the fact that what a mother ingests while pregnant has an impact on her unborn child, whether it be medication, smoking, drinking alcohol etc.
Thanks again Irene and Seth for a very interesting interview! 🌺
@souexplorer76, Great to hear that you appreciated this interview!
You mentioned you'd like to hear more about Seth's story - Seth actually wrote an e-book about his journey and many of the things he experienced along the way. I'll share a link in case you'd like to check it out.
And yes, for sure what the mother ingests can result in different forms of trauma to the developing baby, including chemical trauma in some instances.
FANTASTIC TALES! Strange and unusual accounts from the world of trauma healing. An autobiographical short story. - sethlyon.com/fantastic-tales/
Irene, I completely understand your skin issues. I went through similar experiences with my skin while going through Topical Steroid Withdrawal. I also felt like I wouldn’t make it. Thank you for sharing :)
Finally took the time to listen and glad I did. So interesting and helpful as I learn lots from stories and examples. I did 1 round of SBSM until lab 8 when I felt it was enough although I did wanna continue and be a good girl but decided to follow your advice. Right now started listening to the remaining lessons and Q&A’s cause it’s so helpful. Reading the book you recommended on attachment “Nurturing resilience “ is very good too and just felt it was time to order it. Anyways wow you’ve been through a lot both and being so open about it and telling it like it is, will help me in my journey. Looking forward to the second round in september with even more knowledge. It’s so easy to listen to you both ❤
Thank you both so much. Wonderful interview. 💖
Thanks, Irene and Seth, for providing Irene’s powerful story. It is so encouraging. I like the strength from Irene to live on hands and knees for 6 months! I can endure for server car accident and long recovery. After joining SBSM I know that my anxiety of paralysis gradually reduced. I see the hope and feel the changes in my body. For the past 9 months, I learned a lot. I used what I learned from the program to help my son get off prescribed drug. I trusted my intuition long time ago that it was trauma causing him unstable emotions. But even he liked my way of counsel ( I just took several psychology courses) I can see it was not deep enough. So nervous system work ( bottom-up) combined with top down really work well. When not in survival state, our executive function can fully online!😊
Can't thank you enough for the knowledge you give out for free. I am so thankful ❤
This was very reassuring to listen to, specifically the effects of figure skating & force vectors "trapped" after all the jump falls etc. as I am one too myself (skated from age 7-19, national champion lvl, so it wasn't just dilly-dallying; but, just as Irene describes, the need to get off ones a$$ after a fall as fast as possible 95% of the time, so others can train uninterrupted, is very accurate). Among others, in the past 10 yrs, I have experienced fibro-like symptoms, too and have to have a rigorous routine in order to keep myself away from those extreme pain flares, and in the manageable range. Hoping I can completely overcome it some day. Thanks for sharing your entire story & sending love your way from Europe.
This was a fascinating interview. My siblings and I all have varying levels of skin issues, with my youngest sibling (#5) with the worst of it. I strongly suspect growing up on a reservation with unsafe levels of arsenic in our water has something to do with it. It's also interesting to hear about these old injuries of yours popping up once again! I have had 25 individual sessions of somatic experiencing so far, and I am definitely feeling old roller derby impacts now. Like the soft tissue injury of my right thumb, and the muscle weakness of my left leg from going years of skating counter-clockwise on a track. They are so odd, but I appreciate you sharing about yours to put them into perspective. All part of the healing journey.
Hmmm…I never thought about all my injuries as a child being part of my “freeze” now (started after having a combo trauma/Covid, the two being unrelated). Even though I was the less rambunctious child, I was the accident-prone one. I was in the ER so often that my mother was questioned about child abuse. My parents weren’t abusive but I wouldn’t say they made me feel very safe either. My Dad was completely emotionally detached and both my parents had anxiety and other issues stemming from traumatic childhoods. Thank you for opening my eyes. This is a long road and I’m trying to navigate it myself with the help of videos like these and Raelan, Pain Free You, etc.
I’ve recognized my functional freeze and your discussion about force vectors on the nervous system and body - wow- did that light up something on my memory: husband and I left a movie thru an exit that entered a stairwell from the 4th floor to the ground floor but we ended up locked in and couldn’t exit. There was a button near the exit to call for security help. I was right in front of the speaker/microphone after I pushed the button. But before we could talk to security, a siren blasted me in the face, full frontal at close range. I literally felt my energetic body was forced out of my physical body by this sound and shock. We were in public and I don’t remember security coming but my husband was guiding me thru the mall so was shaking and crying uncontrollably. I needed to go to the rest room and he guided me thru people wondering what the heck was going on as they looked at me. My “orienting” started happening in public but my husband and his arms were my safety. I didn’t care what anybody thought I just know I needed to process this however I was. There was a line of women to use the facilities and thankfully they showed compassion and allowed me in front of the line. I washed my face in cold water and took some time in front of strangers and my “survival” process was most important to me. Oh, and before the movie ended (a Lord of the Rings movie) I couldn’t handle the screaming black horses in full volume at a big screen. Then ended up with the experience in the stairwell. Just this memory alone really gives me new insights to my sound traumas and force vectors and my holding tension patterns of torsion in my body. Thank you for one of many touchstone insights and lessons I’m benefiting from ❤
Thank you Irene! I love your recall ….. it is the good composure we have that gets missed. Practitioner, client and student …. We are all ….. brilliant interview !
this was very informative. thank you for the time and effort🤍
Wow. So much useful information. So much food for thought. I've been casually and sometimes deeply exploring consciousness for most of my life. Recently I started writing a list of "Woo" activities or teachings I have participated in. They have all been steps on my path towards consciousness. I'm glad to say I can now include you and your work on that list. Thank you! You've given me so much to think about and probably work on directly.
I shared your how trauma is actually released video with at least four friends or relatives. I'd share this one too but don't want to overwhelm them 😊. I'm hoping they'll find it soon!
Also, I've proudly been one of those people with a high pain threshold for most of my 63 years. I suspect I learned very very early to freeze.
This feels so validating, ive been having random pains and health issues with no clear reason behind them, I'm 27 years old and take good care of my body. But i have a lot of sadness and traumas, especially from the last 3 years, losing loved ones, losing relationships, losing several jobs. And going back to even when i was a baby and had an undiagnosed allergy that was making me constantly sick for the first year of my life. I think i have a lot of healing to be done in my nervous system and it's comforting to know that things can get better.
SO good, so useful, so helpful. Thank you both so much.
This is one of the most useful videos by Irene. Now I understand why I have all these strange pains here and there since I started somatic exercises. Now I know I'm not alone having those pains. ❤😊Thank you!
I have gained greater understanding through your trauma lecture. My process has been completely different, instead of working on the physical, I would work through the emotional gains to a moment of clarity and feel the release take place throughout my body. Your lecture allowed me to see through the eyes of my child how helpless I felt and facilitated an emotional release of deep sobs and tears to exhaustion. I slept and dreamed of removing the skin from the palms of my hands down to one single layer. There were still areas of that had damage so deep they could not be peeled away, however, I was thrilled in this dream and fascinated by the process to the chagrin of the other participants. I hope you find my story enlightening and it opens as many avenues as yours did for me. I am grateful to both you and the hidden hand that is facilitating my personal healing. 🇨🇦❤️
WOW seriously thank you for revealing this amazing Work! Literally you are saving lives.
I had a lot of physical trauma growing up. In the 90s, I had two sets of 10 sessions of Rolfing Before going into my afternoon shift in an ICU in Detroit. It was not ideal going ti work afterwards but the roller and my job were both in the states. Also had chemical trauma by mixing 3 or 4 cleaners together to clean a neighbours very dirty floor. I was very young and had no clue about the toxicity I vomited and was sick for a few days. Years later skin issues -hives , rashes came up and culminated in an autoimmune disease. My body still has stored trauma and I want to take your classes that begin February 2024.
🎉 So happy I found you Irene!! I have been undergoing my own very similar health journey these past several years and am preparing a Blog to share my story and highlight what I consider to be the best publicly available self-guided protocols. I am EXCITED to share you and your curriculum in the coming weeks! 🎉❤
Regarding your ending in the video - where so much different training can come together to be able to do this - I have found for myself several years of EMDR and starting each session with “where do I feel it in my body” is now second nature. I was also taught orienting. And that a lot of the things my system was releasing was ok for me and I was safe. We also integrated some movement as I was grieving and crying and moving the trauma out of my body. I hold these difficult lessons with me daily. Dovetails so wonderfully with your information. ❤
Thankyou and so much gratitude for sharing your experiences in this way 🙏
As I experience somatic therapy and the more resilience I build, so much pain is coming out of my body. Its hard some days but I trust the innate wisdom of my body.
Thankyou 😊
This is wonderful! Thanks for sharing your personal experience with vulnerability. The best, most passionate practitioners come from a place of personal experience. Healing requires mind, body, spirit deep work that has many layers. Core wounding occurs in those layers.
I'm so sorry for everything you went through. God is using your experiences to help others.
When you began to speak about going for a bath, it immediately occurred to me how the river and ocean helped me tremendously as a child. And then you stated it. Salt water and grounding are healing.
I've had eight surgeries and grew up around toxins.
I'm so happy to have found your messages. Thank you!
Lovely interview. I like your transparency about the limitations of SE, Feldenkrais, and by extension really, all modalities. As a 40 year body-mind-psyche-spirit worker, researcher, educator and constant learner, I admire your calling this out. From my own experience as a former SE student-practitioner (who did not complete), this is what took me out of the cours. Loved what I learnt but the depth was in lack and the teachers did not have an answer for my searching studentship. You talk sense in a more rounded way that from my experience often may make other experts uncomfortable. ( I am sure you have had your days.) For striking out necessarily independently, Kudos. Education - YES.
Thank you Irene for sharing, this was very helpful.
I had a whole body/face plant fall where I tore all muscles in left arm and fractured elbow sometime after that I woke one night and could not move. It was scary but I stayed relaxed and gently got movement little by little. After listening to this I alos realize I have been in body freeze for almost 60 years. I hope the info you provide here and on your website. I too have had severe debilitating skin issues for 15 years. Its all I can do to plow through my morning fatigue and find a way to get through my day without giving up
@marypaino1327, Jen here from Irene's team. It's inspiring to hear that you were able to stay calm and to access movement, little by little. You mentioned the info Irene provides on her website.
Irene does offer many free and paid resources to help people heal from trauma, and the good news is that we can start this at any age. If you're new around here, you might start with Irene's "New Here?" page.
Here's a link: irenelyon.com/new-here/
Holy cow. I got all the things!!
-Oldest of 5 kids on a kinda farmers family ( both parents vets having to do emergency surgeries etc)
-high end athlete
-first responder
-extreme sports
I had had the same experience with being "attacked" into a sedation that did not take and I woke up in the middle of the doctor foraging up my nose and inside my mouth, while laughing at my fear and my interrupted calls for my mom. He was mocking me into submission. Horrific.
Thank you for being born lol you're both amazing. I've been going over the 21 day course while I wait to start your next SBSM 👏
Thank you so much for this conversation. It rang so many bells for my own intense physical symptoms after coming out of functional freeze!
Even had some skin rashes on my hands many years ago, that no medical doctor had an answer for, & only a naturopath suggested may have been stress related. In hindsight I was in the process of unpacking a lifetime of trauma including several medical/procedural traumas, not to mention my parents owning a dry cleaning store & me being taken to work 5.5 days a week prior to school age and playing around the chemicals used in the cleaning process of their business.
I'm still experiencing quite severe pain and stiffness that has been put down to fibromyalgia and even osteoarthritis but my spidey senses tell me that there's more to it than that. That somehow this pain & discomfort that can be relatively mild one day and excruciating the next is related to more trapped survival stress that needs to be released. Have had some jaw dropping releases with my SE therapist over the past 3.5 years, but I know it needs to be done slowly.
Thank you again for sharing your wisdom and insight. xox
I can so relate to this slow process of emerging from functional freeze and all of the crazy stuff my body still does. Almost oscillating between more stabilisation followed by intensity and then deeper stabilisation. I did find at first having that attuned touch led by my body was so necessary to come out of what felt like an absolute avalanche of internal dysregulation. The piece on the mind making peace was so crucisl and I really found Aline La Pierres Body mind dialogue work so helpful for this. I dont feel quite like a mountain disintegrating now ❤ I have the benefit of being in an incredibly beautiful place nature wise where I swim and forest bathe alot but with the downside of little to no access to hands on people with not just the nervous system training, but people who are doing it in their own bodies. So I can really speak to the profound amount of healing you can do alone through self touch and movement and embodiment. Infact sometimes when I really need an SE session but cant access it- I call on a safe relative who has passed, usually my grandmother or older brother if its very fight/flighty who comes back to help hold that space and my body can often find the healing tears or the movement that it needed and was stuck. Thankyou for sharing honestly ❤ Its nice to know us freezey folks are not alone.
Can't wait to watch!
Wow. That picture of worry as a clamp is so powerful
This was wonderful!!! Thank you! ❤
Hello from PH. Am having SE now after all the talk therapy and meds.... SE works better for me. Still in the process, thank you for your content I can make sense of my experiences better.
This week I felt pain in my right side, where I NEVER had had any any pain in my life. It's so curious and fascinating. And I accepted that pain. And in a day it was gone and the other organ started aching. It's a journey. Really. 😮
This has been so compforting for me and Incan really relate. I've been through tons of phisical and emotional trauma since before birth uptil now. After all that I got daiognosed with fibrmyagia in 2006 although the pain and fatigue started in my teen years, after a lot of abuse. Now I am also diagnosed with Insulinresistenz and I can feel in a regular bases how my nevessystem keeps flareing up and keeps going in and out of freez. It reacts to every sudden noise, smell, light etc. very painfully in my gut, stumack, sexual Organ... I' m not sure where. But I am learning to sitt with IT and breeze meditatively and give my Body the Love and touch I never felt.❤
Thank you Irene ❤
Bless. I've watched so many videos on here over the last 15 months and this is truly one of my favourites. I already trusted and respected Irene *so very much* and hearing, in so much detail, what she's endured makes me ever more grateful than ever before.
Thanks for your courage and tenacity, personally and professionally, Irene. And thanks for interviewing her, Seth!
Great chat! The pain moving around reminds me so much of Dr John Sarnos work, the symptom imperative.. as we heal, the brain tries to keep us safe by distracting us from the repressed stuff with moving the pain around.
Validating and helpful. Thank you. ❤
Wow thanks for sharing :) what a great relaxed revealing! I relate to it all! Too much muchness is just that! The body holds the score!
at the same age i had this operation, too, but do not recall any trauma, it was 50 yrs ago, but still it was rather pleasant, as I was told that would eat lots of ice creams after! 🙂