How a "Real" Musician can use Suno v3 AI Generated Music
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Take your Suno-generated AI music to entire new levels, by making it editable!
This video is mostly for musicians who want to use music created by Suno as a starting point for actual studio projects.
Get started with Suno free: suno.ai
Band-in-A-Box is a product of: www.pgmusic.com
For good reason, people are loving Suno’s latest version of their text-to-song technology. While still just available for Pro and Premium users, it does an excellent job of creating professional sounding songs complete with vocals and full instrumentation.
Check out a full overview in my previous video: • AI Songwriting That Wi...
In this video we talk about how to combine the recorded output of Suno, and then convert it to editable music we can further develop in other programs, like digital audio workstations.
This is where Band-in-a-Box comes in. This software has been on the market since 1990, and I’ve personally been using it since that time, Version 1, on my Atari computer.
Among hundreds of other features, BIAB will identify the chords of a song from the recorded audio, and allow us to apply countless styles and other instrumentation on top of it.
This video is just sharing a concept, rather than going into a deep dive on the BIAB software. If you’re really interested in that, let me know in the comments.
Mostly, I just want musicians and other creatives to think outside-the-box when it comes to what you can do with the content you create on Suno, and any other music generation AI.
00:00 Introduction to Creative AI Music Generation
00:03 Exploring Suno Version 3 for Song Creation
00:30 The Ethical and Artistic Implications of AI-Generated Music
01:37 Improving AI Music with Band in a Box
02:40 Deep Dive into Band in a Box Features
04:19 Integrating Suno and Band in a Box for Enhanced Music Production
08:39 Extracting Vocals with Vocal Remover for a Perfect Mix
10:34 Exploring Different Musical Styles with Band in a Box
12:02 Conclusion and Invitation for Feedback
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AI ripping musicians. Musicians ripping AI. You can't make this stuff up. 😂
This pisses me off tbh that’s crazy
@NatanSupel Every musician takes from influences. Anyone claiming they don't absorb and apply influences is a liar.
Imagine someone took credit from you at your work
@@marcduchamp5512 Imagine claiming you performed creative work that had zero influence from previous work.
Gotta love it
You're a natural teacher and presenter, perfect explanation, thanks.
Very nice of you to say!!
@@BobDoyleMediasir can i distribute my suno ai songs to distribution platforms like distrokid, tunecore and many more? is anyone known about that?
@@mr_anasaltafyes but supposedly you are not supposed to on the free plan.
@@zenmasterjay1 are you sure? Because now I'm going to buy the paid plan
Much more on Band in a Box please! I've been using it for about five years and it is excellent, the manual is comprehensive (and large!) but watching your turorial was quick and easy to follow.I have subscribed in the hope of more. Thanks for your work.😃
I did this last year with Suno V2 and BiaB. Results were ok, but I ended up changing the progression and style to fit my playing.
Great video, thanks! I bought Band in a Box years ago and never really used it. Now I can see a great use for it! Thanks for taking the time to show how it's done, Bob. 👍🙏
I love this video. Thank you sincerely. I was specifically looking for a way to enhance suno's output without having to interact with actual people, with the possible exception of the voice.
There's also a web that will match any lyrics with an AI voice singing them. Used it to create my own cover of a song I like, but as a guitarist, not singer, found it amazing to get a vocal performance that sounded not only better than splitting out a stem vocal, but also had my choice of vocalist voices...
link?
Thank you. I am new to Suno but have been a Band in A Box user and fan for years. I am thrilled they work together.
I haven't used it since the 90 's I didn't even thought it still existed
Very nice to mix two complete different era together
Posting another one tomorrow (that's the plan, anyway) that gets into using it to generate vocal harmonies for use in other DAWS. BnB has its own internal vocal (tc-helicon stuff) harmony generator that I'll be doing still another video for.
hey, just stumbled across this video. Keep up the good work, brother! 🎉
This was very interesting. As an elderly musician and producer who's seen it all I agree with your idea that musicians and producers need to work with the latest tech to raise their game. However, useful though this technique may be, I imagine the AI will have been suitably upscaled by the end of the year. It's only a matter of time before someone designs a DAW that runs entirely on AI, and does it at any bitrate and sample frequency you like, rendering workarounds like this one obsolete.
[One last thing - I'd forgotten all about Band in a Box! I had no idea it was still a thing. Looks wonderfully retro. I must check it out!]
I agree that all of this will become obsolete very very soon.
Great tips! I've used Band-In-A-Box for all my songs to some extent and just discovered Suno. Songwriting is what I'm most comfortable with so I'll probably use Suno to get inspiration for melodies and chord progressions.
Man this was a great video! Thanks for taking out the time to do this. I gotta look into Band In A Box.
Definitely interested in a more in depth vid on this. Especially tools for replacing Sunos highly compressed and clipped vocals with high fidelity vocals. Also interested in which DAWS would work best for beginners to transfer Band In a Box instrumentals to and how to improve instrument fidelity as well.
I am so glad I have found this video, I have struggled using BIAB for years and you explained three or four things in5 minutes, amazing! You have got a subscriber now 😊
Wow, that’s great to hear! I feel like I barely did band in a box justice in this video.
@@BobDoyleMedia I'm looking forward to you showing more BIAB tips & tricks in the future 😁
Great presentation. I have been wanting to create non copyrighted music for some time and this appears like a great place to start.
Amazing. I was wondering how actual musicians would use Suno. Like you said at the start, AI is an enabler, not a replacer. Much like Band in a Box which has been around for an eternity. ❤
Not yet...
Your videos are always a pleasure to watch. Nice and chilled out, no quirky gimmicks and plenty of actual examples of using the AI alongside advising about it.
Thanks so much!
@@BobDoyleMedia Have you tried grabbing the split vocal track and throwing it through RVC? I guess the SUNO vocal track might be too low quality but it might improve it somewhat.
Somehow can't write comments here...they always dissapear. so just a short one, cause I am tired of writing it again and again. (did it 2 times)
Thank you for the great video!!!
The band in a box is very expensive. Is it worth to invest so much money in it?
@@Diamond-Cat If you watch the demo video there and are inspired to create, then absolutely yes.
@BobDoyleMedia thank you. That is a good advice, I wil check it out!!
such clarity and spark --- thx Bob
Hello Bob. Thanks for all the ideas you give here! I am in too.
I've been editing the generated songs in an audio editor... cutting, overlapping parts (I generate more than one version of the same song, so I have several excerpts available) , and inserting real lines (me playing and singing)... it's really fun and results in interesting things... at least for me, obviously, since I'm not a professional. And I also think it’s essential to use non-artificial lyrics. I will certainly include the band-in-a-box in the creation process. Thanks for the tip ;)
Agreed with you... And I say: To disown technology is stupid, this is the way the industry is going, the world in general... whether we like it or not, so the best we can do is adapt and use it to our advantage.
the whole voice extraction replacement is not there yet. Add to it lo quality of suno. But as presented in the video like a tool for development of ideas to later record is game changer
Whoaaaa! Band in a box is freaking awesome. Thx for sharing man 🍻
My pleasure! It’s a hell of a program. It even creates vocal harmonies and things like that.
@@BobDoyleMedia too awesome
WOW! I am so happy that you are THE Bob Doyle who helped me with your audio, books and videos from 20 years ago. Happy to find you again.
Very nice of you to say!
band in a box is awesome nice to see it given some love , its crazy its not more popular then it is.
Very informative, thank you for this very clear and detailed presentation !
Just what I was looking for! Thanks Bob
Great! Glad to hear it!
first time watching! thank you for band in a box;)
Wow, thanks for sharing. This is so precious!🙂
Thank you for providing such valuable and clear information!
This is it. I've been exporting from BIAB to Cubase Pro for a few years now, this is another weapon in the armoury. thanks for the heads up.
Great suggestions about tools to combine with AI. I appreciate the reminder about BIAB. My first version was decades ago.
Yes, it sits on my hard drive, mostly unused, and I'll upgrade it about every 5 years or so just because I'm that way.
I have been using BIAB which their first release and appreciate this video and agree with you that the joy of music is the goal not how we create the tools. Products like BIAB and SynthV has made me more creative and allows me to do more work for clients quicker, for less cost and with more variation. Only once did I have a client freak out because I used a tool like Band-in-the-box. I am exploring ways to use Suno and other next generation composing tools to my work flow. Thanks for the video.
wow, I haven't heard about Band in a Box since I was generating MIDI with it in the 90s! I had no idea it was still a thing!
Since I discovered Suno, I have become much more productive, many ideas that I had stagnant I have been able to develop with this tool, I generate ideas and then transform them to what I want starting from scratch, because the sound quality generated is still far from being polished (luckily for us) and then from the material that Suno gives me, I build, perfect, develop or implement your idea in my composition... And it's really fun, it's like having someone else, giving you ideas about what you want to do....
Exactly what I wanted! Thanks a lot for doing this
Great! Glad it was helpful!
*I like your thinking my friend when it comes to music producers and how we can use it as a helpful tool*
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Great vid. I'm a long time BIaB user (and agree that it's so deep, you never use all the features). My current wish is that Suno let you export the various stems. I might try some of the 'separation' software that's out there just to see how that works. That would make it a lot easier to work with stuff like Toontrack or Melodyne.
Great video! Thanks a lot. Would be great if You could dive in a little deeper into the steps in a later video.
I export suno songs to logic and did some Eq and mastering and it sounds wonderful.
Excellent content. Thanks. It would be nice if suno provided the option of downloading a midi file and a separate audio file for the vocals. Until then, I would love to learn more simple tricks and techniques for modifying and editing suno’s output that can practically be used by a novice.
Hi, great stuff. Honestly I don't care too much about BiaB, but the hability to separate vocals from backing for Suno songs is great... Now I will be able to sing my own songs with a Suno backing track. Thanks.
I love BIAB (for years) and enjoy the quality and control I get. Suno was an isolated island for me, and thanks to you, I could expand my technical skills to get the best of three worlds - Suno, BIAB and my musicianship 😅
Thanks! I know this video was super high-level, but once you get the concept...
Incredible. Great tutorial!
Thank you!
OMG!! Half of my heart wants to start doing this immediately, but let's finish my indie game first and then boost the soundtrack with this ;)
this was useful, thank you
This is nuts! thank you!!
Great information I can use. I create karaoke videos using Finale and Band in a Box. Thank you very much.
Great inspiration !!!! Thanks!
Anybody who has ever gone into a Studio and worked with a Producer, know how much input goes on, from them into the process, some will even start adding instrumentation etc, so AI is no different, the genie is out the bottle, interesting use of Band in a Box, what I am looking for is a tool that can allow more work on the vocals from Suno, change phrases and phrasing, delivery etc.
Great video man
Thanks 4 the vid Bob, what really sorprised me was this BBox option! I can get any audio, it will generate comping for diferents instruments and then I can export midi and use my own vst I understand, awesome! I was looking a toy like that. Suno wise, yes it sounds great and you can put lyrics but still is very average, can't customize shit. I get the thing that makes people to flip, but in my case, being a musician, it's not that great.
Very very interestinmg (and i already have over 50 songs (funny, not something serious) ready from Suno. But what is also very interesting here is the closing of the video. How did you do it? ( I LOVE it)
This is fascinating
Fantastic video, Bob. Would love to see more of these AI/conversion/music/vocals/generation kinds of videos, which you're so great at showing us. Really appreciate all you're doing for us! Ben
Madness. The best Suno track I’ve heard released so far is Go Low by Gallis
I am not a "real" musician, but I am a real lyricist. In the past, I produced my own song demos in my home studio. Hardly the voice, musicianship, and production values one ideally wants for maximum showcasing of my songs. I call it a Bernie Taupin miracle machine. Suno v3 is my Elton John.
Amazing to meet here my copy!!! Same history
My wife, she is a musician, composer said this music serves to your poetry, demonstrates how good your lyrics is
@@PavelIshanov Da! You married a good woman.
Brilliant, Thanks!!!
Interesting! Thanks!
I came across your channel while looking for improvements for Suno Music.
Thank you for introducing Band in a Box, wonderful software, but too big for my musical needs. Is there any software that can improve Suno songs in a simpler way?
Woow cool i need it!
Wow it seems you are having fun
As you can probably tell from my username and channel how I feel about Ai generated music, even though I'm a musician. At the moment, I'm not recreating the tracks because of the nature of my project. It would take too long to build the kind of catalog I need and the quality of Suno V3 is good enough for RUclips listeners. But I do plan to use Suno to compose songs that I will recreate and I wonder how many professional songwriters are doing exactly that right now. When it comes to copyright, they simply won't say that the music was Ai generated and because they recreated it, there isn't any evidence of it.
I think that’s the best use of Suno in its early stages. This is an amazing “concept” tool where you can hear some ideas and recreate them into a full project yourself
Obviously as the tech gets better and their voice modules become more clear, this will become a more viable option to create a final product out the box
@@gotopiz 💯%. Things will change quickly. Learn it now with an open mind because it will eventually be THE writing tool for demos and then releasable tracks. There are also several ways to monetize this without needing to worry about copyright when it's part of a bigger money making endeavor you control. The sooner, the better position you're in when the dam breaks.
I've just started to mess with Suno this past week, it's really cool. Currently my plan was to separate out the stems and hire artists to perform them, then reassemble. :)
Did you figure our how to separate the stems?
@@markushutto4017 There are various AI options, but the one I ended up using was RipX. It seemed to worked the best. Has a free demo.
Just curious about cleaning up vocals more. Some tips on how to remove that compressed sound from them. Great video I have been cleaning sudo songs the best I could with audacity.. lots of work.
Yeah, this is where we're straying from my expertise. These are all the same things I'm looking for tools for as well.
Cool! A commercial for band in a box!
Thank you so much. Right now, I'm stuck on harmony. Wave Harmony is a bit too complicated for me. I just need a website for some 2 or 3 part harmony. Do you have any suggestions? Thanks!
Hi Bob, Great video, thank you. I dont have the "Launch Audio Chord Wizard" under audio menu in BIAB 2024 Pro on Windows, any idea if its totally been renamed to something else please?
Wow, I really don’t know. It really didn’t occur to me when I made the video just how old my copy of band in a box was!
I havnt used band in box for a while. Has the import audio function improved? I have also thought about using Ripx to get parts of songs to use for input.
Honestly, it's something I dusted off just to make this point. I'm still running the 2019 version, so I'm sure a TON of changes and updates have been made.
Great song! 🔥
I have been learning a lot from your videos, thank you. As a songwriter I have lots of unfinished songs - how could these programs be used as my song writing partner - "Hey Ai I have 2 verses and a chorus can you write a bridge with lyrics and a blah blah blah..." ? Thank You.
I finally understand how non-artists feel about low-quality AI art! As a comic book artist, I'm always baffled by how people can't see the obvious issues with AI-generated images. It's like me trying to read sheet music - I have no clue how to differentiate notes, haha!
On that note (pun intended!), I'm a professional comic book artist but a hobbyist animator. I was trying to use AI music for my animations, but wow, I didn't realize how bad it sounded!
Question: Could I use JJazzLab 4 instead of Band-in-a-Box to import and edit AI music in my project, making it clean and clear? (Yeah, just gotta struggle through with this until I can afford a real musician.)
Would be a way to improve the voice audio file via adobe podcast? Are there better alternatives?
Take vocal run it through Audimee to get a wow ai singer but there must be better way to get the instruments like ableton wizard midi, or waves or sonic?
Hi, fantastic content! Question, how and what exact prompt did you use to tell Suno to have a decent intro instrumental like your song here? Suno always starts the song immediately with verse 1 and it's kinda annoying coz many times we'd like to have a decent intro instrumental before the singing starts. Any tips?
Thanks for the great video it got me to subscribe. I had never heard of band in a box before - I bought it just to try this out - but despite trying for a week or so, I can't get it to work like this- it seems like the new interface is different or something? Everything I try sounds like a hot mess and doesn't sync to the vocals at all (no option like that pops up nor can I find it anywhere in the program. Would you consider checking if the interface has been updated and do an updated in depth video? 😁
As it happens, I’m actually getting an updated copy of band in a box this week. I will be getting up to speed on its current functionality and updating the video and the approach.
I am not an expert in anyway i have been generating songs in the last week with suno v3 and it is great,i also use an app called Moises, i have the premium version and it splits the sumo track into its varous things like vocal bass drums etc and it also tells you the chords as the song plays so i am interested in Band in a box to try and improve things i do some busking and i think this could be a good tool to write songs to play on the street...
That sounds amazing! Definitely going to look into that! Thanks!
Why do i find myself adding every video you make to my favorites. And I'm not even a musician, not even close 🙂
I've checked everywhere and can't find "Launch Audio Chord Wizard" on my copy of Band-in-a-box, is there something I need to switch on to get it, or is it a paid upgrade?
What version do you have? It should be under the Audio menu along the top.
@@BobDoyleMedia I'm running Band-in-a-Box® for Windows Version 2023 (1013)
64 bit application. I've checked that I'm up to date, but can't seem to find "Launch Audio Chord Wizard". It's a shame because it looks like something worth experimenting with.
great video, i would like to know to import my own daw studio wav into a A.I like suno to get a singingline on my music by importing the text. Is that possible?
Music evolves, back then when Reel to Reel was phased out and daw introduced, many engineers thought it’s the end of the world and computers are taking over. Today the engineers enjoy the process of recording on Pro Tools
Hmmm. Looks to me you're not able to combine the STRENGHTS of the 2 programs. I want the SOUND, especially the vocals (high fidility, granted) of SUNO, with the FLEXIBILITY/ADAPTABILITY of BiaB.
Because you can't put a chord structure in Suno, right? So that's not a good basis. And you can't create soul vocals in BiaB. Sadly.
How can I lived so many years not knowing about Band in a Box??? Thx awesome content
Could anyone kindly provide assistance in obtaining the Band-in-a-Box software? I am eager to acquire it for educational purposes and expand my proficiency in its utilization.
It’s available at pgmusic.com if that’s what you’re asking.
All I wish from any AI song composer are MIDI files. I am a total novice, I use GarageBand IPadOS w/dozens of AUv3 Instruments (Moog’s, AudioKit’s, etc’s) Also Riffler’s, iBassist, etc’s for adding more AI ideas. The experimentations and results are for me only. Been subscribing to Songen (very poor, but standalone), and the better AIVA (much better, but must run it on my Mac for any real time editing options for their MIDI downloadable files). Just created a surprisingly funky Krautrock song with this Suno that I would love to tear apart and build up again w/my own AUv3 instruments.
Nice video, but for Suno, I ask if will you be adding MIDI track options?
thanks. make more videos about band in a box
Awesome. Which version of band in a box would you recommend for starting as a newbie ?
I would definitely say get the latest version and the cheapest bundle is probably great for a start. But look through the features and see for yourself. If you’re a musician who likes to play with lots of styles, maybe some of the upgrades are worth the money for you. Overall it’s a very inexpensive program.
Using suno I generated a song but it got cut in half Is there a way to merge these 2 seemlessly together that you know of. Sorry I knew to the music stuff.
For better vocal extraction the new AUDACITY AI plug ins are good.
Just learned about these plugins last week! Haven’t tested them yet!
HI! I´m with version 3 but I can't see this animation, like the cat on the tractor, when playing music. You did it your self?
Yes, the animation was done by my editor. 👍
@@BobDoyleMedia Please convey my congratulations to your editor!
Please can you explain about any eventual copyrights issue with Songs created with SUNO
Hey Bob. Your video was really helpful in my musical journey. I'd love you to check out some of the stuff I've been working on. It's been a crazy journey! Thank you again so much for your much likely unknown involvement showing me tools to work with and creative ways to mix already creative things AI can pull together with all the amazing ideas in my head. I'm just getting started!
This is very timely & helpful
I like 80's type of music...Is there a way to take an existing song from the 80's era and hear different variations of the song using ai?
OK so this AI "thing"...I have songs that I have written...played everything on them, came up with the chords, chord inversion, etc...either I or a couple of other people have collaborated on the songs, did mostly all the vocals on the tracks...the only thing I didn't actually "play" on the tracks are the drum parts...I used Logic's virtual drummer, but still had input on what the drum parts are playing in order to fit the song...can this AI thing replace, say, bass lines and drummer parts just to get better drum and bass sound quality, yet keeping how the parts are played in tact? Bob Doyle doesn't have to respond, even that would be great...it can be anyone that has had success in doing this...Can Suno do this? Thanks for the video, and hope you and yours are well
Thank you 😊 Is there a software that would allow to make the voice sound significantly less robotic?
I find that the quality of the voices output from Suno varies wildly. Some sound robotic, and some sound fantastic. But I too would love to know of a tool that could clean up audio like that.
Your inspiring posts really make me want to try something new. However, all my generated songs sound like they're being played on a broken music box, whereas your examples sound quite clear. Does the quality improve in the paid version?
You’re using version 3 of Suno?
This is exactly what I thought when I tried AI for the first time: it could be really useful for some hint for new melodies. But is it really THAT useful? I can embrace my guitar and extract 100 melodies everyday if I want, maybe with only one that I really like. On the other hand, my brain goes in certain ways either for genetic reasons or for the music I've been exposed in my lifetime (it doesn't really matter what it is...), the AI could help thinking out-of-the-box...maybe with band in a box!
You should use Audimee to replace the suno vocals . That would make a huge difference