If its maori land and there's no infrastructure..roads ,water or electricity to up keep then they shouldn't have to pay any rates ..if there is infrastructure then obviously they should pay rates
The argument doesn't apply to landlocked or highly unproductive or unreachable land the kind of.likes which are positioned on sides of cliffs or gullys and similar locations. These lands are already covered by Maori Land Law and LGA.
The same argument can be used for a lot of private farm land. There is nearly always some infrastructure such as roads to get to that land. Then if there is a forest fire its likely the rural fire departments will respond etc, not a lot but not "nothing".
Nga Puhi Nui Tonu never consented to The NZ Company aka CROWN to build anything. The fact is under international sovereign rights our resources in undisturbed possession have been disturbed without Nga Puhi Nui Tonu Sovereign consent. Don't assume we agreed to anything
simple you use a toilet, have fresh water on tap, maybe a foot path or a drive way entrance, if you dont want to pay rates dig and cut of all amenities , and stop trying to hood wink every one with the 3 waters BS
Hi Riki, "Sovereignty is ours and we are Nga Puhi Nui Tonu " Te Tiriti O Waitangi specifically references sovereignty. I presume you have read at least one of the copies of it? Te Tiriti O Waitangi is a historical document and it is just that! Our society has moved on and evolved from those days! It is beyond me why anyone would want to return to the past! Irrespective in any society we must contribute. Its called taxes! Please look forward not back to the past! Yes maybe Iwi land should be subject to rates relief! That why the Council is discussing it. Regards Chris
1st coloniser and principal agent of the NZ Company expedition to NZ, William Wakefield was accused of defrauding Maori of their lands - an example, Port Nicholson... Oh dear me I must be on the wrong site here!
@S None of that dribbling post of yours has anything to do with paying rates on Maori freehold land. Maori have been paying rates for years just like everyone else... My own home is under Maori freehold Land title. The article is talking about the government’s planned proposal to ensure some Maori freehold lands are rates exempt, which most are already through seeking a rates rebate through your local council. This new law will now AUTOMATICALLY apply to lands that are determined by any local territorial authority (ie: council) and Maori Land Court and Maori Land Service to be landlocked or unproductive
Kao. Do not consent, or contract wirh councils...with their full disclosure of their billing invoice you will discover the fraudulent extortion of presumed parliament sovereignty, using councils, courts and police unlawfully. NZ Paliament are a corporation that you have joined at birth unknowingly without full disclosure from the administartors of parliament.
After years of the Tuhoe people complaining the government gave the Tuhoe people 25 million. Within a short period of time the Tuhoe people were bitterly divided and were fighting amongst themselves over the money.😂 No pakeha were involved.
This may be useful though temporarily; sec 93 of the Local Govt Rating Act 2002 - not to be confused with the rates exemption... 'offered' by Council/s... the rating issue & Te Tiriti O Waitangi is the bigger picture... ka pai Te Taitokerau - awesome! 93 Limitation on trustee liability If trustees are liable to pay the rates on rateable Māori freehold land,- (a) the rates must be paid out of income derived from the land and received by the trustees for the beneficial owners of the land; and (b) the trustees are liable for rates only to the extent of the money derived from the land and received by the trustees on behalf of the beneficial owner or owners.
That is correct rates are paid by the Trust in charge of the lands administration. They rates can be paid by trust accrued equity such as land rents, other trust initiated commercial ventures, donations given from landowners, loans, stocks, debentures and other ways. If the Trust possesses no such equity or has no reasonable ways or means to obtain the level of equity required to pay rates that an Exemption from Council can be applied for. Also, rates can be negotiated as part of a payment deal between trust and lessee and placed into the lease agreement.
You are required under Maori land law (Te Ture Whenua Maori Land Act) to pay rates as Maori freehold land is not rates exempt. Although in many cases Maori and well as Maori landowners can apply for rates exemptions so long as you are not drawing equity from the land (rentals etc). As far as how Trustess can be held personally liable for debt the land incurs, is their own problem. When they became trustees they signed a statutory agreement given by the Courts (to all Trustees) that legally binds them to liability for the land.
@Paddy Puru I would imagine with your view of things that you've never actually viewed the working end of the Maori Land Court in progress. I can tell you, seeing how Maori react and the nature of the Court applications being filed by whanau, that without such laws in place Maori would continue to decieve and rip each other off.
James Broughton “are you just here to sound stupid” oh James, if only your iq was higher than room temperature, you would understand how ironic that is
Yesterday while driving to mahi I dropped my tamariki off at school. As I arrived in the office our boss called us all together for a korero. On the way home I stopped at the supermarket to buy some kai. At home the whanau were waiting and I could feel the aroha. We sang a waiata."
It doesn’t make sense to pay tax on Maori freehold land that doesn’t provide anything that has to be maintained eg.water ,roads ,electricity, absolutely shite
What the heck, rates are a thief's way of funding themselves. In the words of ture pakeha. User pays, you pay the owner not owner pay to thief, WAKE UP MAORI.
@Mike John it's called provisions that are divided among levels of threshold. Certain threshold are exempt due to higher earnings or is tax the usurpers mechanism as the tax department are officially daylight robbery as you see how has taxes helped the country. Roads infrastructure and resources are depleted. Can't justify incompetent spending and theft off the producers of the world. Rates are paid by owners eg. Maori freehold Land pay rates to whom for what reason. In administrative law clause and policy's upon usage here is stated user pays user does not pay , confiscation is due so how does initiatory force justify good governance when they have no good to offer here. But Usurp.
Maori are the Indigenous inhabitants of Aoteatoa. Maori livimg overseas abide by Mana Whernu Tikanga. They know where their ROOTS are. Like every otther INDIGENOIS iwi. They welcome everyone keen to share their Knowledge. Thays why Tikamga Powhiri is enacted continupisly. Pakeha Missiomaries taught me to read & write. I taught them to korero Maori.
How can it be maori land if maori are having to pay pakeha for the land in the first place? Obviously pakeha still think that it is their land and therefore charging maori for it. !DA
Maor I already pay rates on Maori freehold land..the only exemption is Maori Reservations like Non Maori Reservations and lands with council applied and approved rate exemptions
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If its maori land and there's no infrastructure..roads ,water or electricity to up keep then they shouldn't have to pay any rates ..if there is infrastructure then obviously they should pay rates
The argument doesn't apply to landlocked or highly unproductive or unreachable land the kind of.likes which are positioned on sides of cliffs or gullys and similar locations.
These lands are already covered by Maori Land Law and LGA.
Exactly I’ve never understood why Maori are paying rates on land that doesn’t provide anything of roads ,water or electricity absolutely ridiculous
The same argument can be used for a lot of private farm land. There is nearly always some infrastructure such as roads to get to that land. Then if there is a forest fire its likely the rural fire departments will respond etc, not a lot but not "nothing".
Maori need to stop complaining and can no longer play the victim when we have no money left thanks to Chairman Arden and her woke communists
Give the crown one pound as a token of gesture.
As i said to my son when got his first pay packet and was most up set with the tax he paid. I told him someone has to pay for roads water lines etc.
Nga Puhi Nui Tonu never consented to The NZ Company aka CROWN to build anything. The fact is under international sovereign rights our resources in undisturbed possession have been disturbed without Nga Puhi Nui Tonu Sovereign consent. Don't assume we agreed to anything
Yeah, then I imagine he has since discovered totally neglected and unusable infrastructure collapse and total profiteering since them good ol days?
Albany Pak'N Save.... Ah, the good old days. The "white" girl was the good one, the other was sneaky. Compass.
simple you use a toilet, have fresh water on tap, maybe a foot path or a drive way entrance, if you dont want to pay rates dig and cut of all amenities , and stop trying to hood wink every one with the 3 waters BS
Kei te aroha au ki a koe, Aotearoa! Respect from Brazil
Hi Riki, "Sovereignty is ours and we are Nga Puhi Nui Tonu " Te Tiriti O Waitangi specifically references sovereignty. I presume you have read at least one of the copies of it? Te Tiriti O Waitangi is a historical document and it is just that! Our society has moved on and evolved from those days! It is beyond me why anyone would want to return to the past! Irrespective in any society we must contribute. Its called taxes! Please look forward not back to the past! Yes maybe Iwi land should be subject to rates relief! That why the Council is discussing it. Regards Chris
1st coloniser and principal agent of the NZ Company expedition to NZ, William Wakefield was accused of defrauding Maori of their lands - an example, Port Nicholson... Oh dear me I must be on the wrong site here!
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@S
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@S
None of that dribbling post of yours has anything to do with paying rates on Maori freehold land. Maori have been paying rates for years just like everyone else... My own home is under Maori freehold Land title.
The article is talking about the government’s planned proposal to ensure some Maori freehold lands are rates exempt, which most are already through seeking a rates rebate through your local council.
This new law will now AUTOMATICALLY apply to lands that are determined by any local territorial authority (ie: council) and Maori Land Court and Maori Land Service to be landlocked or unproductive
Funny thing is they have no land to start with......?.
Kao. Do not consent, or contract wirh councils...with their full disclosure of their billing invoice you will discover the fraudulent extortion of presumed parliament sovereignty, using councils, courts and police unlawfully. NZ Paliament are a corporation that you have joined at birth unknowingly without full disclosure from the administartors of parliament.
I would say that to most people in most places.
What about almost 200yrs of unpaid rent by HER MAJESTY
After years of the Tuhoe people complaining the government gave the Tuhoe people 25 million. Within a short period of time the Tuhoe people were bitterly divided and were fighting amongst themselves over the money.😂 No pakeha were involved.
This may be useful though temporarily; sec 93 of the Local Govt Rating Act 2002 - not to be confused with the rates exemption... 'offered' by Council/s... the rating issue & Te Tiriti O Waitangi is the bigger picture... ka pai Te Taitokerau - awesome!
93
Limitation on trustee liability
If trustees are liable to pay the rates on rateable Māori freehold land,-
(a)
the rates must be paid out of income derived from the land and received by the trustees for the beneficial owners of the land; and
(b)
the trustees are liable for rates only to the extent of the money derived from the land and received by the trustees on behalf of the beneficial owner or owners.
Thank you for this information
That is correct rates are paid by the Trust in charge of the lands administration.
They rates can be paid by trust accrued equity such as land rents, other trust initiated commercial ventures, donations given from landowners, loans, stocks, debentures and other ways.
If the Trust possesses no such equity or has no reasonable ways or means to obtain the level of equity required to pay rates that an Exemption from Council can be applied for.
Also, rates can be negotiated as part of a payment deal between trust and lessee and placed into the lease agreement.
You are required under Maori land law (Te Ture Whenua Maori Land Act) to pay rates as Maori freehold land is not rates exempt.
Although in many cases Maori and well as Maori landowners can apply for rates exemptions so long as you are not drawing equity from the land (rentals etc).
As far as how Trustess can be held personally liable for debt the land incurs, is their own problem. When they became trustees they signed a statutory agreement given by the Courts (to all Trustees) that legally binds them to liability for the land.
@Paddy Puru
I would imagine with your view of things that you've never actually viewed the working end of the Maori Land Court in progress.
I can tell you, seeing how Maori react and the nature of the Court applications being filed by whanau, that without such laws in place Maori would continue to decieve and rip each other off.
@Paddy Puru
I am Maori, and have a very clear view of Te Ture whenua law and how its properly applied unlike you
James Broughton damn James take a seat lmao
@@EluneMusic
Why? Do you have anything relevant to add to this debate? Or are you here to sound stupid?? Just curious.
James Broughton “are you just here to sound stupid” oh James, if only your iq was higher than room temperature, you would understand how ironic that is
Same shit different day.
I think i am hearing an English accented Maori words..
😳😳???????
Yesterday while driving to mahi I dropped my tamariki off at school. As I arrived in the office our boss called us all together for a korero. On the way home I stopped at the supermarket to buy some kai. At home the whanau were waiting and I could feel the aroha. We sang a waiata."
It doesn’t make sense to pay tax on Maori freehold land that doesn’t provide anything that has to be maintained eg.water ,roads ,electricity, absolutely shite
What the heck, rates are a thief's way of funding themselves. In the words of ture pakeha. User pays, you pay the owner not owner pay to thief, WAKE UP MAORI.
@Mike John it's called provisions that are divided among levels of threshold. Certain threshold are exempt due to higher earnings or is tax the usurpers mechanism as the tax department are officially daylight robbery as you see how has taxes helped the country. Roads infrastructure and resources are depleted. Can't justify incompetent spending and theft off the producers of the world. Rates are paid by owners eg. Maori freehold Land pay rates to whom for what reason. In administrative law clause and policy's upon usage here is stated user pays user does not pay , confiscation is due so how does initiatory force justify good governance when they have no good to offer here. But Usurp.
Maori are the Indigenous inhabitants of Aoteatoa. Maori livimg overseas abide by Mana Whernu Tikanga. They know where their ROOTS are. Like every otther INDIGENOIS iwi. They welcome everyone keen to share their Knowledge. Thays why Tikamga Powhiri is enacted continupisly. Pakeha Missiomaries taught me to read & write. I taught them to korero Maori.
nah no rates on maori land what they gonna pay it to themselves?
How can it be maori land if maori are having to pay pakeha for the land in the first place?
Obviously pakeha still think that it is their land and therefore charging maori for it.
!DA
Weird
What’s weird?
She’s so beautiful 😍
What makes you say that ? Why is she a jezebel ?
@seansiddells1604 ur a narcissist, thats a couple of steps away from being a psycho.
Machine language is not a legal language in new Zealand ai gives the answers
I´m from France. What is the official language in New Zealand?
Maori are so racist and want all the benefits while restricting others. Unbelievable how divided and apartheid NZL is becoming
It will continue to over balance in favour of moaris if you don't WAKE UP KIWIS.
sweet tats
Everyone pays rates
Maor I already pay rates on Maori freehold land..the only exemption is Maori Reservations like Non Maori Reservations and lands with council applied and approved rate exemptions