I feel like you work on the car more than you drive it lol. That said, the quality parts installed mixed in with the attention to detail creates that amazing driving experience. Great job on the car man. The build never ends!
CaN the type s oil cooler setup be used with this setup,i curretly have the type s water pump assempy with the oil cooler setup but i dont wanna lose the oil cooler setup
I really like the way you talk about the part and a very detailed installation.... But question I guess you don't need a thermostat I saw none Soni assume the breather takes place of the thermostat
Great video. Just a little constructive criticism, never disconnect your battery from the positive or hot side. If it arcs just right, it will fry your pcm or kpro.
Soporta mucha temperatura la bomba de agua electrica esta mero enfrente del ventilador si soporta mucho calor? Para uso diario cuantos galones deberia buscar? Me podrias ayudar
Actually I found stock pump flow specs. K20 and K24 both flow about 22 GPM at 6k rpm. The Ktuned only flows 20 GPM. For a road race application looks like the Ktuned pump may be insufficient.
i would recommend a temp relay like the fan switch when the temp is at a certain temp. the radiator fan switches. if you know you know. you can do the same with the water pump.
Awesome video! Very detailed man and damn does it look clean! Sick setup! I'm having the worst luck rite burping my k24 in my ep3, electric pump would be a blessing! God bless
Makes me want to go back to the H game. So easy to work on already and these install vids make it super easy to follow if needed. Flipped my 8th gen on hwy 5 in CA and haven’t drove a Honda since let alone 6 speed :(. I’m itching man, Honda seems like the fastest route to be back. Salute Kev can’t wait to see that thang hit 10’s !
Yea I was actually doing the full bolt on’s like your Mugen. Makes them a totally different car for sure! I was tempted to keep it but insurance wasn’t having it. Had 80k on the drivetrain...It was a baby still... thinking a simple n/a K build for the track maybe. Time will tell , for now I’ll get my fix threw your channel lol
Quiero instalar una en mi 4g63t dsm cuantos galones necesito o como se busca que especificacion tengo que buscar lo quiero para uso diario ayuda amigo😅
20 Gallons per minute. You can learn more about the specs here: www.summitracing.com/parts/mez-wp136s?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAk7TuBRDQARIsAMRrfUbQtdpMzsjSy32aGZILWt3IgtHt5t9V6l18P0HGF1KuKzecI3Ie0ooaAm4uEALw_wcB
What’s up Kev, awesome video! Currently installing my electric water pump kit with trac tuff plate. Quick question, what do you do with the hose that runs off the oil cooler to the belt driven water pump housing. Now that the plate deletes that portion. Thanks in advance 🙏🏼
@@sirob584 I actually ended up doing away with the cooler itself. If I have issues down the road I’ll more than likely go the remote filter setup from tractuff.
@@Simpson.Automotive dang. I can’t do that. Definitely need the oil cooler. Boosted setup so I won’t delete the cooler. Could possibly go to the aftermarket side. 🤔
@@sirob584 mines turbo setup as well. Hopefully no issue without a cooler. 😅 We shall see I guess. Aftermarket would definitely be the move. Check out tractuffs remote filter setup. 😎
Thank you so much for all the input that I needed I was the guy on Instagram Who is looking for this video thanks a lot Kevin very informative I did not mind how long it was #lapause
What size belt you use when you running ATI damper I call ktuned they say they don’t know lmfao .ktuned says they create the kit whit the Honda oem crank pulley bad customer service
While this is pretty cool, my opinion is there just isn't enough to be gained to make an electric water pump worthwhile. First, the statement that it flows more is only partially true. It will flow more at lower RPMs, but I can guarantee you that the stock belt driven pump will outflow this electric pump at higher RPMs. I do not know the exact RPM where the flow would be equal, but as an example, the electric pump may flow more coolant up to 3K RPM, but above that the mechanical pump may take over. Just look at the size of this pump's hoses compare to the radiator hoses, clearly it isn't designed to move as much fluid as the OEM pump. There is not much power to be gained either, and any gain in power will come at the expense of flow. With all else being equal, it takes a fixed amount of power to move a certain amount of fluid through the system. For example, let's say it takes 100 watts of power to push 20 GPM through the cooling system. That's just how much power it takes, plain and simple. You can either take that power right from the engine through the belt or you can add that load to the alternator and make it harder to turn, the power is ultimately being produced by the engine either way. There is no free energy. If there is a gain of a few HP it is simply as a result of moving less fluid through the system at higher RPMs. You don't get to move more fluid and use no power doing so, it takes energy to push fluid. The one exception to this rule is if you don't use an alternator and you just charge your battery with an external charger, then you are ultimately taking power from the wall outlet instead of from the engine. There are also a lot more ways this setup can fail. Really the only 2 ways the stock setup can fail is if the belt breaks/falls off or if the water pump's seal fails. Other than that, you can be assured that it is pumping if the engine is running. This setup has a motor, wiring, relay, and more hose connections, any of which can fail and end up costing you your engine. So from a reliability standpoint, the OEM setup wins hands down.
Lots of word there bud yet the point is easley refuted. Max engine rpm flows less than a 35gpm electric pump. Electric pump controlled by a Davies craig controller.
@@11042995 Do you have data to support your claim of a 35 GPM electric pump outflowing the stock K series pump at max RPM? I haven't yet been able to find a flow spec for a K series pump, but the flow rate for a 130HP F22 Accord engine's water pump is 42 GPM at 6K RPM according to the FSM, so a 200+HP K series is almost certainly higher than that. Also, remember that the advertised flow rate is in no way indicative of the actual flow rate through the system since the flow rate isn't measured against a restriction and the cooling system is a pretty significant restriction. The viscosity of the fluid is a major factor too. As an example, coolant is thicker and harder to push than straight water. The simple fact is that it takes power to push water no matter how you look at it. In this context, if power consumption is reduced, either the flow rate was reduced or the pumping efficiency was increased. The specs for one electric water pump says it draws 7 amps at 12 volts, which is 84 watts. If the stock water pump uses just 3HP at max RPM, that's 2237 watts. How would an electric pump be 25X more efficient than a belt driven pump?
If you don't race, it makes not difference because the thermostat open and close at 80-90* and if you run to cold the check engine light will come on ( open loop ). Inspection fail.
BMW has been using electric coolant pumps for a while, I'm sure they did it for efficiency/packaging/performance. It's funny because their newest engines have gone back to mechanical coolant pumps, hmmmmmm🤔
I feel like you work on the car more than you drive it lol. That said, the quality parts installed mixed in with the attention to detail creates that amazing driving experience. Great job on the car man. The build never ends!
MaxSpeed building a car is never ending, only room for improvements 🤝 thanks for the kind words.
@@4BangersProduction 100% brother.
Thats the best part ..1 on 1 wrench time with your car is it.
Every mod you do making it more your dream car ..
I know I'm late but love the classroom style explaining the pros and cons of the set up!
You motivated me kev to go K I recently got a eg hatch with a k24 6 speed
Hell yeah! You'll love it brother.
I live 4 mins away from kaizen mr lundey is always making some awesome parts, keep up the good vids!
I am planning on putting a K24 in a jet boat, would like to pick your brain about some ideas. Really like your videos and info you put out.
CaN the type s oil cooler setup be used with this setup,i curretly have the type s water pump assempy with the oil cooler setup but i dont wanna lose the oil cooler setup
I really like the way you talk about the part and a very detailed installation....
But question I guess you don't need a thermostat I saw none Soni assume the breather takes place of the thermostat
Great video. Just a little constructive criticism, never disconnect your battery from the positive or hot side. If it arcs just right, it will fry your pcm or kpro.
Very true, I disconnected both sides. Only showed a few seconds of it getting disconnected.
I'm in South Africa and would love if Ktuned could possibly bring over and or manufacture parts here for us to make them more available and affordable
Boss not sure if u still have this but u should have controlled by a Davies Graig EWP controller
Soporta mucha temperatura la bomba de agua electrica esta mero enfrente del ventilador si soporta mucho calor? Para uso diario cuantos galones deberia buscar? Me podrias ayudar
Your car is so clean as the work you done
Lets see the temps when the Mechanic drives it😀
Awesome build now you need to change out that oem oil pan for a baffled moroso
Wow bro good job and really detailed! I give you props bro!
Actually I found stock pump flow specs. K20 and K24 both flow about 22 GPM at 6k rpm. The Ktuned only flows 20 GPM. For a road race application looks like the Ktuned pump may be insufficient.
Does the Kit still run a Thermostat?
Can you hook this water pump up to your ecu so it can turn on and off or possibly pulses as needed to hold a particular temp
Next year when my mortgage is no longer fixed im borrowing some money and going k
Can u put electric water pump with dry sump oil pump together? Noob question
Those temps seem a little cold, dont you think? Maybe get a second fan switch and use it for the pump to trigger it to turn off and on.
i would recommend a temp relay like the fan switch when the temp is at a certain temp. the radiator fan switches. if you know you know. you can do the same with the water pump.
@@l7ragoon hey man, so i could use this in theory with a daily driver?
@@ricecreamzz2861 yes
@@l7ragoon do you think i would ever run into overheating issues?
@@ricecreamzz2861 no
I love my AC Too much. I would get the electric water pump but not at the cost of losing my AC. Thanks for the Vid bro.
Any updates on this pump? I’m hesitant because even K-tuned said it’s not for street cars and designed for drag cars.
I only watched the video for wiring and that part was completely skipped...
You ever figure out the wiring?
Do you know GPM flow of stock pump? The electric is 20 GPM. I heard stock flows much more but you keep saying this flows more? Thanks
Hi man I wonder how do u deal with thermostat do u just not run it
Awesome video! Very detailed man and damn does it look clean! Sick setup! I'm having the worst luck rite burping my k24 in my ep3, electric pump would be a blessing!
God bless
All from the rad hose cylinder head side if hose held up high
Burping a kswap is a patience testing bs chore.. the k24 i find its best to fill the system from the cylinder head side of rad hose
K swap everything! Nice ride, such a clean build..
Makes me want to go back to the H game. So easy to work on already and these install vids make it super easy to follow if needed. Flipped my 8th gen on hwy 5 in CA and haven’t drove a Honda since let alone 6 speed :(. I’m itching man, Honda seems like the fastest route to be back. Salute Kev can’t wait to see that thang hit 10’s !
Thanks for watching! Sorry to hear about the 8th gen. Those are great cars, Maybe build another?
Yea I was actually doing the full bolt on’s like your Mugen. Makes them a totally different car for sure! I was tempted to keep it but insurance wasn’t having it. Had 80k on the drivetrain...It was a baby still... thinking a simple n/a K build for the track maybe. Time will tell , for now I’ll get my fix threw your channel lol
Oh you had me at more power. Great now I need more money for parts. Lol
Quiero instalar una en mi 4g63t dsm cuantos galones necesito o como se busca que especificacion tengo que buscar lo quiero para uso diario ayuda amigo😅
Very thorough, awesome video 👍
I really like your setup
Nice to see your doing great car looks super clean nice build haven't seen that thing since Springfield keep it up good work.
Thanks Jamie!
Wait, hold up....I've gotta switch my K series Alternator to a D series just to make this work?
I’m kinda new to all this electronic shit but how does the thermostat work then since he’s removed it?? Or does the pump act like a thermostat??
Wow! This was a great video! Now I’m thinking doing it on mine RSX! 🤠
Nice! Keep in mind this eliminates the A/C & P/S
@@4BangersProduction There is no way to keep AC with this setup?
i love a long in-depth vid man!
side question, why don't you add a spoiler? it would help with your speed(you'd have to tweak the angle like mine)
Is it possible to make this pump work with a k20 oil cooler and keep AC?
Some cars have 2 serpentine belts and some has 1 imagine the car that has 2 the belt cuts on the alternator pulley
K tuned the world!!
Buy a regular stutter or high-performance Daughter can you please let me know
The intro lol thank you for the video 💪🏼
Where did the breather port on the water pump plate connect to?
So what about reliability now? Would like a 2 year update.
Very helpful 👌🏾 awesome product shoutout K-Tuned #raceproven 💯🏎💨
So clean..!! Nice install.
great job kev! God Bless you bro
dope video i been thinking about getting one for awhile now ... now im about to get one
What B series alternator did you use Model and year??
99 crv
Where would the temp sensor go if you running a stock cluster.
Im sure you have a video on it but what is your radiator setup if you dont mind me asking. All the parts related. Thanks
there is nothing connect to upper hole of the water plate. Is that should be right ?
Badass video
Damn that’s clean
Great video an a clean set up!!!
Thanks for watching!
Can the Mieziers/ktune E water pump work with my setup with keeping a can heat?
Why are u running green coolant an not the correct blue coolant
Nice built man
Does it work well on a the street car
How many degrees cooler does it run, if so?
Thanks
Driving it the past few days its sitting around 150-169
Did you just remove your thermostat?
Do you delete the thermostat?
No thermostat . How are u not having issues with temperature.
Great video! What model k is that alternator from?
So this also eliminate the oil cooler line that goes to the oem water pump?
The -8 breather? No need to put that to a catch can?
What's that spot you're bleeding from? I have a bone stock k24a2 with ac and ps delete and I swear I still have tons of air in the system
Can you still retain the heater hose with this set up?
No more AC PS?
Nice install but your coolant temp is too low.
Hey! Good work Awesome mod.
I want to know about the digital cluster can u tell me
What’s the percentage % of this pump going out?
20 Gallons per minute. You can learn more about the specs here: www.summitracing.com/parts/mez-wp136s?seid=srese1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAk7TuBRDQARIsAMRrfUbQtdpMzsjSy32aGZILWt3IgtHt5t9V6l18P0HGF1KuKzecI3Ie0ooaAm4uEALw_wcB
No pulls?
Hey kev love the teggy 🔥🔥🔥!! I was just wondering where is your fan switch located?
What alternator did you use?
99 crv
What’s up Kev, awesome video! Currently installing my electric water pump kit with trac tuff plate. Quick question, what do you do with the hose that runs off the oil cooler to the belt driven water pump housing. Now that the plate deletes that portion. Thanks in advance 🙏🏼
Glad you asked this. I wonder about that too. What did you end up doing?
@@sirob584 I actually ended up doing away with the cooler itself. If I have issues down the road I’ll more than likely go the remote filter setup from tractuff.
@@Simpson.Automotive dang. I can’t do that. Definitely need the oil cooler. Boosted setup so I won’t delete the cooler. Could possibly go to the aftermarket side. 🤔
@@sirob584 mines turbo setup as well. Hopefully no issue without a cooler. 😅 We shall see I guess. Aftermarket would definitely be the move. Check out tractuffs remote filter setup. 😎
It’s been 2 years now, how’s the pump holding up? How many miles have you put on it so far
Hi are you using a standard crank pulley?
Yes, OEM
hey bro, so is this not recommended with daily driving?
Great vlog kev
Thanks bro!
Interesting video man.
Will this have any impact on the HP your car puts out verse OEM?
I will I still be able to have heat in the car
Love this video so much good info
What alternator did you use so your harness works with it ?
Does the stock rsx alternator harness plug and play with the d series alternator? What year civic d series alternator?
What is the altenator model # cause that one i got from sohc d16 fits but the pulley is to small
It works good for a race car. But when you install that on a street car with A/C, the car gets overheated fast.
This kit doesn't work with A/C. This kit is designed to remove every accessory attached to the engine like Power steering, tensioner, A/C.
What size is the coolant reservoir hose?
Thank you so much for all the input that I needed I was the guy on Instagram Who is looking for this video thanks a lot Kevin very informative I did not mind how long it was #lapause
Thanks for watching!
Oooh Kee-ev...? Where is the car at?
What size belt you use when you running ATI damper I call ktuned they say they don’t know lmfao .ktuned says they create the kit whit the Honda oem crank pulley bad customer service
Bro... you look like Bottom G.
What alternator did you use that plugs into the k series harness
Did you noticed a performance gain after the install?
I will find out the next time I visit the track to compare videos and track times.
Do you loose heat with this kit
As in engine temps? or heat around the engine bay?
Great Video..........
Good video bro
While this is pretty cool, my opinion is there just isn't enough to be gained to make an electric water pump worthwhile. First, the statement that it flows more is only partially true. It will flow more at lower RPMs, but I can guarantee you that the stock belt driven pump will outflow this electric pump at higher RPMs. I do not know the exact RPM where the flow would be equal, but as an example, the electric pump may flow more coolant up to 3K RPM, but above that the mechanical pump may take over. Just look at the size of this pump's hoses compare to the radiator hoses, clearly it isn't designed to move as much fluid as the OEM pump.
There is not much power to be gained either, and any gain in power will come at the expense of flow. With all else being equal, it takes a fixed amount of power to move a certain amount of fluid through the system. For example, let's say it takes 100 watts of power to push 20 GPM through the cooling system. That's just how much power it takes, plain and simple. You can either take that power right from the engine through the belt or you can add that load to the alternator and make it harder to turn, the power is ultimately being produced by the engine either way. There is no free energy. If there is a gain of a few HP it is simply as a result of moving less fluid through the system at higher RPMs. You don't get to move more fluid and use no power doing so, it takes energy to push fluid. The one exception to this rule is if you don't use an alternator and you just charge your battery with an external charger, then you are ultimately taking power from the wall outlet instead of from the engine.
There are also a lot more ways this setup can fail. Really the only 2 ways the stock setup can fail is if the belt breaks/falls off or if the water pump's seal fails. Other than that, you can be assured that it is pumping if the engine is running. This setup has a motor, wiring, relay, and more hose connections, any of which can fail and end up costing you your engine. So from a reliability standpoint, the OEM setup wins hands down.
Lots of word there bud yet the point is easley refuted. Max engine rpm flows less than a 35gpm electric pump. Electric pump controlled by a Davies craig controller.
@@11042995 Do you have data to support your claim of a 35 GPM electric pump outflowing the stock K series pump at max RPM? I haven't yet been able to find a flow spec for a K series pump, but the flow rate for a 130HP F22 Accord engine's water pump is 42 GPM at 6K RPM according to the FSM, so a 200+HP K series is almost certainly higher than that.
Also, remember that the advertised flow rate is in no way indicative of the actual flow rate through the system since the flow rate isn't measured against a restriction and the cooling system is a pretty significant restriction. The viscosity of the fluid is a major factor too. As an example, coolant is thicker and harder to push than straight water.
The simple fact is that it takes power to push water no matter how you look at it. In this context, if power consumption is reduced, either the flow rate was reduced or the pumping efficiency was increased. The specs for one electric water pump says it draws 7 amps at 12 volts, which is 84 watts. If the stock water pump uses just 3HP at max RPM, that's 2237 watts. How would an electric pump be 25X more efficient than a belt driven pump?
Can you daily drive with this setup?
People do yes. I am doing a lot of street driving already and it's doing its job
If you don't race, it makes not difference because the thermostat open and close at 80-90* and if you run to cold the check engine light will come on ( open loop ).
Inspection fail.
BMW has been using electric coolant pumps for a while, I'm sure they did it for efficiency/packaging/performance. It's funny because their newest engines have gone back to mechanical coolant pumps, hmmmmmm🤔
If it's not obd2 , will the temp make if fail emissions